Inversion

Already famously — to the extent of echoing down the corridors of eternity — Michael Enoch wrote this:

Look, you guys have lost, even on the issues important to you as Christians because of your cuckholdry on the race issue. You’re not doing anything to preserve the white majority, but you’re not winning on your issues either. Gay marriage is a done deal. Abortion is here to stay, particularly as more broken nonwhite families enter the social services system and are encouraged by bureaucrats to abort. You lost, you lost, you lost. […] With a white majority these issues were winnable, because whites vote conservative in the majority. But by being cowards on the issue of immigration and bending over for the left’s quite open plan of demographic replacement of whites in order to secure a permanent nonwhite left wing majority you lost. In 8 years it may be demographically impossible for the GOP to win a national election ever again. Even your precious Christian issues are done. Even your cucking for Israel is under threat. Do you think a nonwhite majority in the US is going to be keen to support your favorite ethnostate? They side with the Palestinians! […] You lost everything, and all because you were afraid a group of communists, atheists and homosexuals would call you racist.

It goes with this map:

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It’s being posted here because, as far as it goes, it’s hilariously — and certainly outrageously — right.

Thing is — Progressivism happened in the USA without the help of massive Hispanic immigration, or even women’s suffrage. It happened because democratically-empowered white men had been persuaded to dismantle capitalism by populist politicians. The ‘right wing’ party that they’d be supporting in that map? It’s the Republican Party of 2012, and its Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney, Governor of (freaking) Massachusetts. So what this is saying, at best, is that American White Men can now be persuaded to freeze in place the catastrophic ruin of Western Civilization as it stood roughly during Phase-1 Obamanation. Is there any suggestion from this that there’s support for rolling back politicized money, The Great Society, The New Deal, or the violent destruction of American federalism? In fact, any indication of support for actual right wing policies at all?

As a counter factual, I guess — just possibly — an uprising of White Men could help to get Trump into the White House, which would be ambiguous.

It’s fun — really it is — but it’s not going anywhere, because it doesn’t even start to get a grip on where things went wrong.

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  • Inversion | Neoreactive Says:

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  • E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Says:

    If Christians (and I am a part of this group, more lately – though by the time I could affect issues they were mostly a done deal–) had won well on their social issues despite the demographic issues, this whole thing would have never happened; it would have been a non-issue. If the hispanics and blacks and others were able to assimilate to a stable, socially conservative and somewhat more homogenous base, you could potentially have a way forward to sort out the racial problems. But because Christians have lost Quite Famously on Every Single Issue (as the White Nationalists did on theirs) it has now come to a head.

    Cuckservative is a war of the ethnic with religious and corporatist conservatives in the USA and it will get ugly.

    Elephant in the closet of course is, that electorate of White Men gave the vote or accepted giving the vote to everyone else who now has it. It is the same problem you get when Christians tell you that if America was just more Christian – (they say this in different ways) – we wouldn’t be about to be subject to God’s wrath. But it was exactly such a ‘Christian’ society that brought forth the present apostasy.

    The answer is of course, to both the White and the Christian question, (as well as, when the time comes, the Merchant question) — for survival, not all lines will continue. “If a branch does not bear fruit, he will cut it off.”

    “A future for all white people”, “But all of these groups are Christian”, etc. The Shakers called themselves Christian, but now we may say whatever we wish about them, for they are no more.

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    Alan J. Perrick Reply:

    The Shakers called themselves Christian, but now we may say whatever we wish about them, for they are no more.

    There is a considerable amount of irony in that statement, considering that it comes from a practising Eastern Orthodox…

    A.J.P.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    Hardly; for if the Church does not survive, neither does the faith. It is not an idea.

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  • Orthodox Says:

    The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

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  • Exfernal Says:

    Wasn’t it then Republican Governor of California, Ronald Reagan, that signed the first State law legalizing unilateral no-fault divorce? That single decision was quite influential in advancing ‘progressive decay’ of the U.S.

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  • Ruco Says:

    On where things went wrong chalk it up to the lack of an existential threat. Modern conveniences as provided by a once relatively liberal market and a government that could tap that market and redistribute inevitably results in growing inertia. Basic needs are met to such a point that rolling them back becomes an impossibility and the list of personal ‘rights’ grows endlessly. Geographic isolation and a somewhat precarious global balance staves off the specter of legitimate war. There is no generational memory of proper warfare in the minds of anyone under 50 (?) living in the US today. What are humans to do with all this free time and personal freedom? Create new problems for the sake of not being too bored. Self-sabatoge by another name which seems inherent in humans. I wonder if the eugenic dream can correct this short of less rights and proper war.

    On the other hand one can simply justify this state of affairs as a Hegalian process of history which provides the mental comfort to continue drinking beer, smoking cigs and screwing for fun.

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    Skilluminati Reply:

    Is beer not NRx Halal?

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    It is. Le Chaim!

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    Ed. note: The first link is not to Enoch, though I think it was meant to be. I however have already read the essay and have filed it away to link to future sith-padawans, but thanks for putting into perspective, however, that the red map depicted is for Mitt Romney, and not a conservative. That helps quench the fire and return me to my proper place, in a rhetorical Lazyboy, munching popcorn.

    Is the sentiment you’re expressing here congruent with your post a few back, against the word “cuckservative”? Or does this represent a walk-back from your original hard line after some NRx essays came out and rehabilitated the term?

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    admin Reply:

    It’s supposed to link to his comment, but it seems to just go to the Lewis post. Close enough for government work.

    Does it seem like a walk back? Dunno. I’ve tried to avoid shunning (pretending nothing is happening) and intoxication.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    Follow up: If one clicks on the “comments” button it does scroll down to his comment for you.

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  • August Hurtel Says:

    I can’t imagine they’d have fielded Mitt Romney, or John McCain for that matter, if the demographics were as different as Enoch posits.

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  • Orthodox Says:

    The purpose of the map is to understand political power and its relationship to ethnicity.

    If America had those demographics, Romney is probably the Democrat candidate for president, if he is even moderate enough for the Democrats to nominate. The rightward shift expressed in the 1994 election would have never stopped given demographic changes (aging white people).

    Progressivism happened in the USA without the help of massive Hispanic immigration, or even women’s suffrage. It happened because democratically-empowered white men had been persuaded to dismantle capitalism by populist politicians.

    Progressivism has shown itself to be anti-White in results. They will have to move to the right of the Right on immigration in order to survive. If they do that, the battle shifts to ideology. If they die on that hill, everything rolls back. Women’s suffrage is a cake walk once you get a large chunk of the public to declare itself “racist,” the ultimate sin. We don’t know how widespread the support is for right-wing policies because everyone is afraid to voice them. We do know that at a tipping point, people will agree with whatever is popular. And the alt-right understands how suffrage works. When you have the chance, roll it back, and your majorities go up.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    The fundamental conundrum is, that in a time when people were generally far more ‘red pilled’ than they are today, they voted for the candidates and participated in the process that brought us here today.

    My view: White nationalism already lost. Now, social conservatism has officially lost. Finally, mainstream fiscal conservatism will fail to stave off economic collapse and degeneration into a kleptocracy. That last one will be nasty.

    The anger of ethnic/paleos against the socons for utterly failing is totally understandable, but I don’t believe represents a political awakening of the sort that might Save The West or even the USA (which let’s be frank, is probably not worth saving as it is.)

    Another interesting demographic that is harder to show, is to see what the white population would look like if socons were doing their religious duty and not abstaining from sex – how many kids would they have? If the majority of evangelicals and Christians in the USA are white, and they were having 3, 4, 5, kids per family or more, would there even be a demographic threat from elsewhere?

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    John Reply:

    > Women’s suffrage is a cake walk once you get a large chunk of the public to declare itself “racist,” the ultimate sin.

    From my view on the ground, this gets more and more likely with each passing day. Cathedral policies and rhetoric continue to make the presence of non-Asian minorities more costly and dangerous to whites. After a certain level of exposure, it is impossible to believe in equalism (for your average non-cleric citizen) and people start to actively rebel against it.

    Once the tipping point occurs where the average citizen becomes aware that mainstream progressivism supports “them” and wants to impoverish, displace, and eliminate “us” the backlash is going to be epic.

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  • freihals Says:

    “It’s fun — really it is — but it’s not going anywhere, because it doesn’t even start to get a grip on where things went wrong.”

    Once you take New England Puritanism with its priesthood of the believer, exceptionalism, and zealous altruism then merge it with the ethos of the French Revolution by 1860, you begin to see the destruction of Americanism. In fact, the *political* seeds of destruction were laid down with the coup on the Articles of Confederation know as the US Constitutional Convention…..after this success all things became permissible in the name of union.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    Welcome to our little corner of the net, I just read through your blog and hope you continue engaging with us. Very good comment, I hope you continue down the rabbit hole. I highly recommend reading Bertrand de Jouvenel’s book “On Power” since it discusses the problem of high-low against middle and ever growing concentration of power at length. I was never as nuanced a libertarian as you but what brought me out from it is the idea that power is conserved and becomes concentrated due to high using low against middle. Rather than turning a blind eye to power, we find ourselves forced to open the can of worms associated with formalized power in our pursuit of a sane, sustainable and productive society.

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    freihals Reply:

    Thanks for your reply and for visiting my blog. I may consider “On Power”, however, my required reading list extends into the brilliant quietude of the wooden box . In that similar vein, I do have Oppenheimer’s “The State” sitting up in the stack–I intend to remain an inquisitive anarchocapitalist even when that leads to uneasy accommodations.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    I argue that even the Declaration of Independence is seriously pozzed.

    http://home.earthlink.net/~peter.a.taylor/autopsy.htm

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  • peter connor Says:

    If you are in an existential fight, no holds barred, don’t bring a bunch of flowers for your leftoid opponents….

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  • SVErshov Says:

    “The very existence of the limit may be unrealized.” J W Forrester.

    Whites found themselves into shrinking space, with limits approaching suddenly and rapidly. Once growth limits been overstepped far enough degenerative forces come to play to limit the growth. Blacks and hispanics may posses higher tolerance for growth limiting forces and by going further they will be hit harder. so, everything all right, we all going to drown, but in different degree and numbers.

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  • Anon314 Says:

    @Exfernal And President Ronald Reagan also gave amnesty to the illegals, completely undoing Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback.

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  • low income low status low brow juvenile reader Says:

    this “cuckservative” shit is great

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  • A.B Prosper Says:

    Capitalism got dismantled because of a lot of people found it wasn’t working very well for them and an alternative was presented that would at least seem to guarantee food on the table.

    I’d put it this way, during the US Great Depression it would have taken a few years to let the markets straighten themselves out however people have to eat now and can’t wait a few years to feed the wives and kids,

    This will lead to the State stepping in and once that happens and it always will, Leftward HO!

    Also a lot of people in, and I apologize for using Marx, the Capital class have a worse entitlement complex than the worthless Poor. They honestly think they have a preordained right to safety and property rights and to, no matter what they do have some kind of non aggression principle applied to them.

    That is charitably Bullshit.

    Everything including safety must be paid for, whats up for grabs is how much.

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    admin Reply:

    Sure. Capitalism has had to learn all about protection rackets — they’re basically all the history it has yet known. Something interesting is in the air going forward though …

    (This is the XS version.)

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  • Chris B Says:

    “It happened because democratically-empowered white men had been persuaded to dismantle capitalism by populist politicians. ” I would disagree greatly with this.No one is empowered by democracy except the rulling class. The fact that democracy takes the same course every time must also tell you that even their empowerment is of a very limited nature. If MM was telling us anything, it is that we are meatpuppets in systems such as democracy. Expecting rational choices by masses of people to counter this is high level enlightenment crack.

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    peter connor Reply:

    Agreed, because there is always pressure in a democracy to be “nice” rather than principled….After the disastrous enfranchisement of women, the pace of civic decline accelerated….

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    michael Reply:

    once a government uses the commoners to further their interests they want a cut just as the barons got.This happened in warfare, colonization,taxation,proselytization,etc we can blame jefferson and co,the barrons at runnymede you can go all the way back to the beginning of time as soon as you organize you make alliance and this costs power,double crosses only work so long.

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    admin Reply:

    Sure, it could have been phrased much better. Popcorn-level articulation.

    Did you see this Hoppe piece on de Jouvenel?

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    Chris B Reply:

    Yes. I read that before. I maintain de jouve is at the heart of nRX. MM and Hoppe juat run with him. Also, overlay what Pellicani has to say about alienated and gnosticised elites and you have something profound. (Also see Szabo for back up on legal monopolising by kings.)

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  • Lucian of Samosata Says:

    Cuckservatives/conservacucks: “It’s crucial that we pay lip-service to Christian values and traditions, even if doing so legitimises a system that is inherently antagonistic to those values and traditions. Lalalalala, I can’t hear you!”

    /pol/acks, other partially-repilled alt-right: “Whites have gotten a shitty deal, but only because of external factors/conspiracies/Communists/Jews! Whitey dindu nuffin! All those trailer trash meth addicts and white collar criminals dey was good boys ’bout to get they lives back on track!”

    Partially-redpilled Recucktionaries: “It seems that, even when you had the reigns of power, you were unfortunately kind of gay for Progress(tm). Maybe if you can into cold collectivity and have some integrity in your commitment to realz over feelz, you can sit at the grown-ups table and won’t be so pwned in future.”

    Ascended philosophers in the mould of Diogenes, Rabelais, Nietzsche etc: “Hahahahahahaha, wow, you poor fools, all of you.”

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    Zimriel Reply:

    Not sure where you were going with “Recucktionaries”. Is this a crack at Hestia?

    The “you poor fools, all of you” has sometimes been a theme here – more at Spandrell’s place – but I’m still not seeing bleak nihilism as an improvement over what Hestia’s about.

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    1. If Hestia took itself less seriously I could take it seriously.

    2. I’m not trying to type letters on a webpage in a way that would be an “improvement” over Hestia’s letters on a webpage.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Basically you’re correct although the actual truth and reality of how this was carried out are slightly more complex. The electorate changes fatally with the 19th Amendment. Democracy having any real national say other than who was the Presiding Officer of the Executive Branch ends with the New Deal which replaces the Republic with Administrative govt who’s legitimacy lies in power, money and court decisions in the 1930s upholding the Newly Dealt Powers That Be. Civil Rights and the Great Society are sold as simply giving everyone a fair shot. This was both well intended but taken by coup from within the government starting in 1966. LBJ failed to understand the monsters beneath him were no longer New Dealers.

    Here’s the complexity and the lie by Power: what was sold is not what was delivered. No one ever voted for the destruction wrought the last 50 years. They voted mostly to stop publicly humiliating blacks and for some extension of the safety net, in no small part for poorest whites.
    They didn’t vote for comprehensive ruin. What wasn’t grasped at all until recently is our vote has no power since the New Deal. Even Moldbug doesn’t publish UR until 2007. In 2008 it became clear we had no say in voting against being looted and over the next election cycle that resistance not backed by openly brandishing weapons in sufficient strength would be legally tolerated.

    America was conned.* It simply didn’t dawn on us until the last few years.

    Moldbug is 2007 – the last few years. Don’t get big heads.

    What America does about this has yet to be seen but there are encouraging signs.

    *America is humanity’s peak High Trust culture and it’s never had to face predatory elites before, it’s adapting. Whether or not in time remains to be determined.

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    Chris B Reply:

    Your reasoning is based on a idealized pure American people which is so divorced from reality it is astounding. It’s as if you genuinely believe everything was A OK until Jews came along and then it went to shit. If a people gets given democracy, given enough time, they will vote themselves mandatory tutus, sodomy and complete destruction whether they planned to or not, with the only (currently demonstrated) real escape route being singularity in the form of a dictator/ committee which then burns everything down in the people’s names allowing for a rebuilding to hopefully happen. Everything else falls under variable effecting timescales frankly.

    Why are “let’s go back to the 1950’s” conservatives still henpecking nRX?

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    michael Reply:

    then you would have to explain places all over the US which are 96% white and function really well, when I moved to northern idaho from NYC 20 years ago 6’6′ guys in cowboy hats would really politely come up to my table in restaurants and remind me that women and children were present because i swore loudly like a new yorker, I noticed if a crowd of teens were loitering in front of a cinema or 711 as walked in the would quickly part and apologize referring to me as sir these same kids loved to fight each other every saturday but never with weapons just testing their manhood, the local government would do things like find my phone # call me up to ask me if I would allow them to complete or correct a form I not done properly to avoid a delay ,tape change before mailing my receipts, Police always prefaced stops with an apology for the inconvenience and a reminder that they were only enforcing the laws i had voted for,The police were never disturbed by my being armed often thanking me for civic responsibility, one very early morning a bear had probably been sounding like a prowler as I pulled up to the post office about half a dozen citizen in pajamas and rifles when the cops pulled up someone brought them out a coffee, people never asked for help but would spend all day trying to help you without asking.The town ran like a top the whole northwest did, The politics were not like here they didnt think left right the issues were mixed up for people who voted either way the common theme was to be left alone. They were onto the cathedral [new world order] 22 years ago and I thought they were paranoid maybe they were and its a coincidence not a conspiracy.The place is full of serious protestants but no progressivism, then Californians started fleeing their mess and wanting to pass laws that caused that mess in their new home,community organization began and I hate to say it but it was always jewish people organizing these committees, no one else noticed but me because they didnt recognize the pattern, even I wasnt a conscious realist then and still really like jews but I was like oh shit here comes the liberal jewish former 60s radicals, they have an uphill battle but immigration gives then tremendous fire power now they have clients that want help where as before no one felt the need for advocacy,and resented the expansion of government things like building permits and vehicle registration ordinances,etc.
    When did progressivism really go viral when eastern European jewish communists and anarchists arrived. Im not in the nazi camp I dont even think most Jews realize how harmful they are in fact I think they think they are helpful and some see it as a defense mechanism against anti semitism.Certainly they are not all alone in this but they are significant

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    “White Men did this.”

    White Men?

    What “White Men” are you referring to? They’re not White they just appear to be when convenient. They’re also living and have power, influence and the levers of Finance, Law, Media, Academe [that’s slipping] and the National Capitol Political Class. Not to be confused with the country which they do not. No they’re not the long dead Yankee’s either.

    What “White Men”?

    Sooner or later Who.Did.This? will have to be honestly answered.

    The victim of lies, deceit and betrayal does not bear equal culpability with the Predator.

    Except in the eyes of the Predators.

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    Erebus Reply:

    If I understood you correctly, you’re saying that the white man got conned, that our society has been the target of some conspiracy, and that the white man dindu nuffin. But your own analysis posits a scenario that’s a lot simpler than that: An administrative bureaucracy gone haywire. Given:

    (a) that the Administrative Government has continued to expand at a rapid clip over the past 60 years, to the point where nearly 20% of the labour force is receiving cheques from the taxpayer,
    (b) that its incentives have become ever more perverse thanks to the malign influence of short-sighted political and administrative malefactors,
    (c) Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy, and,
    (d) the fact that the civil service expands its mandate when it makes things worse in its area of influence…

    (And then look at the FDA for a small example of a bureaucratic organization which exemplifies all of the above, from rapid growth, to perverted incentives, to an overbearing internal bureaucracy, to the fact that the more it grows, the worse it makes things for the industries it oversees — and the populace!)

    I don’t think that we need to ask “who did this?” The problem lies with our system of government. And the same problems arise, to differing degrees of magnitude, in every nation with administrative structures organized along the same lines. (See: The UK, Sweden, Canada, Australia, etc.)

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    michael Reply:

    So this sort of comes back to my post a few back where you asked for clarification.

    “Speaking of semantics…

    How is mandatory “private” insurance any better than socialism?”

    Ill stipulate that a lot of the government we are discussing today is simply un needed and bureaucracy simply feeding itself.
    But we all seem to agree that it begins to excel around victorian era into the turn of the century and hits warp speed during the depression passes the event horizon in 64.Would we be able to agree that the beginning of this is a transition from peasantry to citizenry that not only might this transition be more exploitable to organizers,but effect some genuine new social arrangements.friendly societies were an innovation of the time,poor houses,orphanages,etc charities are pretty much also invented then, and first in germany a socialism of sorts.we can hate the fucking commies and fully intend to burn them alive one day im cool with that really i insist on it. But I think we would find if we could not find a substitute for things like health insurance retirement plans,unemployment insurance etc it will rise like a zombie again and again.So I said what is the difference between a capitalist insurance policy and a socialist welfare plan. I know the huge differences what I meant is why cant we substitute one for the other. The answer seems to be that those most in need of these services are least capable or trustworthy to see to them. yet those most capable can not will not countenance the suffering these idiots bring on themselves and so the elites open the door to socialism just a touch for the worst off and the rest is history.
    And we also find now [i think this is true] that even fairly affluent intelligent people also can not be trusted to save for retirement but will for instance not uncheck a default payroll deduction if thats the default,
    So I asked if maybe private plans with competition were a solution even if they were made mandatory. I hate obama care i hate they said they could in fact make us eat brocolli etc, but we also know this is part of a plan to destroy private insurance ultimately.What if you had t buy these insurance plans with money deducted from your check but which you could choose where to spend it. Would that not be better than socialism. So to answer your question better Because well its not socialism, you cant get more out than you pay in,the overhead and bureaucracy of 20% of the country working for the govt would not be there workers could be fired etc.What if the plan was to privatize almost all of the government? technology may offer possibilities now never possible before with big data. say no more public schools you had to pick a private school or even home school, same for sanitation, building inspection, all of it outsourced. I suppose the objection is crony capitalism but isnt all capitalism at risk of this and if not this what, Short of killing all the poor which i think ends up simply moving the problem up the chain, how do you avoid that people like insurance which frees up resources for investment in other areas of life. it works with other kinds of insurance

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    Erebus Reply:

    @Michael

    Coercion is coercion.

    There’s effectively no difference between a mandated program run by a government agency, and a mandated program run by corporations licensed by the government, audited by the government, and working at behest of the government. Any practical differences — e.g. in profit margins, overhead, efficacy, staffing — are trifles, especially in this case, as every plan has to meet an onerous list of “minimum requirements,” and as the government has the health insurance industry firmly under its thumb.

    Your argument seems to be that when government programs are run by nominally-private corporations there is less overhead, and there are fewer issues with personnel. I think you’re missing the bigger picture. Even if what you’re saying is true — and I don’t think it matters at all, one way or the other — that doesn’t mean that it’s not “socialism”. What you have is the de facto centralization of power, another set of disgustingly invasive regulations and prohibitons, and more personal liberty and responsibility sacrificed at the altar of the Administrative State.

    Privatization of government services is fine by me, so long as there’s no element of coercion. If the government wants to slash services and bureaus to leave people to fend for themselves, I reckon that would be a net-positive. If they slash services and bureaus to force people to work with their hand-picked cronies, that would be of no benefit to us at all — and would perhaps be to our considerable detriment, if they don’t cut our tax bill at the same time, and to a proportionate degree!

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    what was sold is not what was delivered. At all.

    That is a con job, far more than the usual latitude in politics. Also note the Admin bureaucracy couldn’t have gone haywire without Judicial Cowardice in the 1930s, not that SCOTUS ever had any power. However our real troubles don’t begin until the 1960s when our elites aburptly turned hostile and toxic. Also no longer ‘ours.’

    As far as our system of government…there really is no system of people. There are agreements and procedures.

    As far as our current problem: there is no system, Constitution or legal cage you can put our current crop of rulers and elites into other than cages or coffins and have them not turn it to Harm.

    You wish to make this complicated, it is simple: They mean Harm.

    We will fight and destroy them or they us. Simple, ancient and Just.

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    “We” have demonstrated countless times that we consider existential destruction a perfectly reasonable price for panem et circenses. A con job of great latitude subsists on apathy of great latitude.

    Erebus Reply:

    Here you say that it’s all very simple: All of our problems can be reduced to a cabal of “rulers and elites” who mean us harm. Earlier you said that they are not white, and “no they’re not the long dead Yankee’s either.”

    …So you straightforwardly allege that it’s all the fault of the Jews?

    In my view, democracy and overgrown administrative bureaucracy are bad with or without the Jews. Democracy is simply an inherently flawed system — and all the more flawed when millions of people on welfare, and millions of professional civil servants, are afforded the vote.

    This is tangential, but it’s also a fact that the Administrative Government cannot be reduced to a set of agreements and procedures: The USG has got dozens of malignant bureaucratic super-entities which have taken on lives of their own — and this is demonstrably true. Moldbug once said, “Power in the West is held by the civil service, that is, the permanent employees of the state. In any struggle between the civil service and politicians or corporations, the civil service wins.” Now what happens when the administrative bureaucracy is so overgrown that it concerns itself with every trifle? When it seeks to expand its mandate at all times and with no regard to its mission? The rulers of our ancestors knew well the old adage “de minimis non curat lex” — the administrative superstate has forgotten it long ago.

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    @Erebus

    As a Jew I consider it offensive that you attribute so little of destiny of the United States of America to my people, who have done it so much good.

    michael Reply:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/privatized-police/

    so today the times has an article about private police in new orleans summoned through an app and sanctioned by the state , this I would have thought the most difficult of government outsourcing through tech yet its already happening and in a black city. shrinking government through technology kills many birds with one stone.

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  • michael Says:

    @vxxc2014
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    while I agree we are still being conned,I would bet most of the most extreme liberals you could find do not actually understand what it is they are actually supporting,while it might be impossible to find a way to get them to open their minds enough to explain it to them if you would most would not be in favor of proceeding. On the other hand I bet many of us probably treat the women in our lives better than our rhetoric might suggest and I at least have minority and gay friends.I say this because I can not really imagine what single point in history things could really have gone differently.Oh sure if someone had shot lincoln before the election of jefferson had not been born etc etc but what I mean is I think eventually we end up here anyway. I dont think we could have kept kings and peasants going much longer or slavery I think sooner or later we were bound to try giving our wives sisters daughter the vote and other opportunities. Simply because we did not know then what we know now. What I wonder is if we were to turn things around would we be able to maintain this realization of what doesnt work. I also have asked practical questions that seem to be really important to a group talking about a restoration; what would that actually look like? I have several dozen times used the example of women.What would DENRX patriarchy look like would it and if so how would it differ from say muslim patriarchy or 15th? 16?17th? 18th? 19TH ? century european patriarchy which nations model? etc. how can we restore without a plan. because the specifics of the plan I think is the key to whether the restoration is sustainable. Because evem we racist sexist homohaters treat people better than our great grandparents and they were the thin edge of the wedge. women didnt vote for womens suffrage and I doubt many blacks did white men did white men with a much less cathedralized brain than even we dark knights.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Michael,

    it is simple: They mean Harm.

    We will fight and destroy them or they us. Simple, ancient and Just.

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    michael Reply:

    Oh yes they mean to wipe us out and I can not understand why this is so hard, for so many, to see when its been so clear for so long.And the average liberal who I think does not now understand what hes supporting, will do nothing when even he can see it. So I have no sympathy and would give no quarter.
    What has driven me mad with frustration is why. I get other races wanting to get ahead at any cost.But thats not who is behind this who is paying for all these research labs and rand corps and bildeburgs retreats and think tanks and the intelligence community etc etc to study and think they can not be so blind to know they will crash the world what could they possibly hope to gain.

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  • Nick B. Steves Says:

    The ‘right wing’ party that they’d be supporting in that map? It’s the Republican Party of 2012, and its Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney, Governor of (freaking) Massachusetts.

    A quibble perhaps, but if White males had been the only voters in party nomination processes, it stands to reason that at the very least the center-right nominee (if not both of them) would have been pretty far to the right of Romney. Of course, that does not excuse that identical demographic, as you suggest, for nominating Teddy Roosevelt 100 years earlier. Tho’ in TR’s defense, he is unspeakably farther to the right than any imaginable public figure today. One takes what comfort one can sometimes.

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    michael Reply:

    I think Romney is a lot farther right than Romney the candidate but whats a politician to do

    while I no longer think of TR as the good Roosevelt Hes one of those historical figures where he faces some pretty fucked up things and takes a swing at them. Lincoln who I kind of hate now for destroying the patchwork [yeah i know the groundwork was in already] what should he have done, oh sure i say from this vantage he should have ignored their little tantrum, then what we end up like south africa? I almost think we just had to go down this road once. And figure out how not to repeat again.

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  • outsider Says:

    That kind of talk would make Jeb so angry steam would come out of his ears while he violently condemned iit in Spanish.

    Also, it seems your web comment form is destroying without explanation, trace, or notice all comments that contain Livejournal.com links. The exact same thing happens at many other blogs.

    Just an infinitesimal preview of the infinite evils of the infinite future. Most of which will be deliberate like this one.

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    admin Reply:

    Just noticed your (now redundant) copy of this comment in the spam queue — so I should be able to catch them if I’m reasonably attentive. Normally just means a delay (should certainly be under 24 hours under all circumstances).

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