There are no easy answers for persuading people who choose to not be open to persuasion.

willingness to accept one place in the tribe be it humble or exalted willing to live for the tribe

willingness to bear children and raise them new life for the tribe

and I think there are a lot of average people that do things we could not live without
entertainers artists artisans are not always that bright farmers nurses and various servants can all be average and it would be a poor world without them. children are not so bright and are a delight women too.

but more specifically ones IQ is only part of the GQ ones potential IQ the potential one has in in ones tribe to produce the next genius, while your chances of having bright kids go up with your IQ the numbers predict the greater pool of average IQ tribe members will produce far more outliers while your high IQ progeny will eventually revert to the mean

On the other hand, the usefulness of IQ and the social science implications thereof are *not* really a legitimately open debate, as I am sure I do not have to explain to you.

The entire point of my post was to say that while we should wait for people much smarter than we are with statistics Ph. Ds to figure out the factor analysis side of things so they can tell us things about ‘g’, that doesn’t affect our ability to use IQ to understand things about social science and genetics.

The alternative position, and the one that the enemies of IQ research are going to take, is to try to collapse ‘g’ and IQ research together, so that they can selectively quote smart people as saying there is legitimate debate around ‘g’, then twist that to mean there is legitimate debate around IQ as a whole.

(in the metaphorical language of the post, this would be equating the existence of comaleukin to the existence of comas. If somebody wants to deny comas for some reason, it would be in their best interest to demand people who think comas exist prove the existence of comaleukin, which is both very hard and totally unnecessary for the question at hand)

So when you conflate ‘g’ with all of IQ research, you are making your opponents’ lives easier and shooting yourself in the foot.

(Still no idea where my, modest in these circles, IQ came from. And in case yer wondering, I’m the spitting image of my father at the same age.)

@ReactionaryFerret

Proggies are all about changing norms, blank slate and all that. I’ve never met a proggie that will consider advocating the alteration of the intelligence-social status link. It’s always about how the science is wrong, not the social constructs that make the facts unkind.

I’ve met two. One had a head injury from a car accident. Another had a head injury from booze, as he was a bum.