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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    Norma is Global Capital – mummified; the fumes of her rot you’ve perfumed.

    Norman is all the particular resistances to global capital which, in the end, reinforce it. NRx and ACC are “Normans”.

    Scrap liberalism, libertarianism and progressivism for clientelist, authoritarian statism. Norma doesn’t mind.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    [NL] “Liberals tend to like immigrants a lot, while immigrants don’t like liberals very much at all.”

    {AK} No, not necessarily. The desire is for economically domesticated, cosmopolitan variety, by, as you say, the global cybernetics of a surreptitious, ‘WASP’ ‘policed’, intimidated, and infiltrated, economic control.

    The rest of the stuff contrasting alleged Protestant and (modern) Jewish capitalism dispositions as a default liberalism; with the allegedly communal, big-government friendly, strategies, of other immigrant, ethnic groupings; can be explained, where the model might be accurate, as the result of socioeconomic network interactions. In short, people naturally swarm towards open opportunity, not to ethnically closured hostility.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [NL] “Liberals tend to like immigrants a lot”

    {AK} No, not necessarily. The desire is for etc

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    “In short, people naturally swarm towards open opportunity, not to ethnically closured hostility.”

    Exactly. And the nativist accusations leveled at immigrants, “Why don’t you fix (develop) your own countries instead of flocking to ours.”, could be applied to the nativists themselves; “Why don’t you fix your own country, so that you no longer have to flock toward immigrants as the locus of your frustration?”

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Well, the ‘natives’ did flock to the countries of the immigrants. Colonial wealth extraction, did help to fix coloniser’s native lands.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Funny, isn’t it, how, in this new paradigm, the immigrants are the colonizers extracting colonial wealth from the natives?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The ‘Third World’, Rohme, is held hostage in an essentially militarised economic system that extracts far more from them, than it returns. Immigrant populations in ‘first world countries’ operate, through their cultural inflation by the media, as vectors of vaccinatory pretext; ethno-barometric logics used to engineer continuity of exploitation, under the sign of its opposite.

    Wagner Reply:

    Art, you Injuns would still be gazing at your navels if it weren’t for colonialists. Whites put your people to good use, alchemizing currymonkeylabor into science, philosophy, art, etc. as the fruits of leisure, and in which we can all now share. Don’t you like all this stuff the West provides? Call it a fair trade once all the “naggers” abate and *appreciate*. In the meantime I’m sitting back shoving popcorn in my mouth while watching these Kneejerk-Left reactions – Land must have hit a nerve.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Big W, us Indians created it all, whilst gazing at our navels; the West was brought in to do the construction work.

    collen ryan Reply:

    it wouldnt have been extractive if you guys knew how to extract and trade yourselves, and besides we did teach you how to speak english etc fact of matter is the third world would still be in stone age or worse if not for “colonialism” which BTW was to keep privateers from excessively exploiting their dumb asses

    collen ryan Reply:

    “Mr. C,

    What do you think of someone like Jared Taylor’s approach contra your warriorism? Granted, he is not an anti-semite.”

    Kind of a trick question, I’m not really anti semitic or pro war. That is to say I wish neither had to be. I fully get how bad war will be, and while jews have done a lot of damage Im not really threatened by them i think we could easily handle them once we understand the situation,and I kind of like a lot of them personally, so Im not that neo nazi punching up at my oppressor.More like a rancher managing cattle and doing what needs doing.

    That said its probably best i couldnt find a link to you and had to reply n this thread since wag and I got into this essay last night on the last post before he linked the essay here. What I think about Jared, is what I said about what Land said about the alt right. They are not adopting identitarianism because they are particularly hateful, they do it for the same reason Land criticizes the Liberal-tarians for “accepting the way things turned out” JT and the sensible alt right are pretty much cuckservatives accepting nothing much can be done and trying to make the best of it while adhering as well as possible to their classical liberal wasp culture of fair play and all that.

    My problem with it and why Im mistaken for a jew hating war monger is they are assuming its turned out, when in fact its still turning. Not only is there no exit possible there is no truce possible.It is inevitable this process will continue until it becomes clear whites are in an existential struggle, and that multiculturalism is absolutely impossible because it will always and everywhere end up like this for whites. Our evolutionary strategy is not compatible with the other races. Now some of the most sensible alt right get even this and suggest its possible to have good relations when we are all in our own safe spaces. I think this is sort of true. Ultimately though I think there will be only one race to inherit the universe, after all we are in competition. If whites finding their backs against the wall choose life, they will return to a cultural confidence they had like other races before the jewishing pwning. from that frame i think it likely we will eventually return to establishing hegemony over the universe. But who knows maybe we will be more magnanimous.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Mr. C,

    As I write this, more than a dozen people have been injured and one person has been killed in Charleston.

    Various Congresspeople and even the President have condemned the message and purpose of the rallies.

    Both parties agree (and it seems to be the only thing on which they agree) white supremacy is bad. But parties do not speak for anything.

    There is no reason to doubt that these rallies will continue to build momentum.

    Whites taking up identitarianism closes the loop for identity politics.

    For leftists to refute their identitarian claims, they would have to refute themselves since their argument is the same; the principle difference being only which identities are spoken for.

    The big mistake of the left, their sin of omission, was not including white men into their diorama of oppression.

    If leftists really cared about universal oppression, then they would have figured white men into it. Surely, white men are oppressed.

    But their aim was rather culturalization of politics. Now everything is necrotic, they should dispose of their horror. As Land’s counterpuncher Ray Brassier has said: those with strategy will employ your tactics.

    I think your assessment of Jared Taylor is off. And you are also way too pessimistic.

    Racial existentialism is palpable to the masses and is being felt and reacted against.

    That there is no such thing as exit is neither a fact and nor something one could know.

    What you don’t say can be more valuable than what you say. Talking how you talk, Collen, is self-defeating. It begs ridicule and scorn, if acknowledged at all.

    Jared Taylor, however, is playing by the rules of the game. For that reason, he is far more subversive than you.

    His approach is voluntaristic, demotist and legalistic. To use an incongruous analogy, how Martin Luther King, Jr. appealed to the Christian conscience, Jared Taylor appeals to the liberal conscience.

    He frames the question like this: “Why should people be held against their will in a political association they do not want?”

    It’s classically liberal.

    If a large group of determined people orientated themselves around this question and conducted themselves appropriately – adopting pacifism (which I admit their comportments may make hard for them) – it would be subversive, an inverse civil rights movement, and could bring a contradiction to bare the liberal edifice – founded on the right of the self-determination of peoples – could not support.

    Post-script, I am not at all interested or invested in white separatism. I am interested in the dialectical movement of consciousness. Obviously the white closure of identity politics may eject the left from identity politics altogether, once they see it is self-refuting.

    Also, I have no idea what your background is but tone down the machismo man. You make it seem you’re in a camouflage tent planning insurgency warfare over walkie-talking with your network across the Ozarks. My evaluation of your warriorism stands a valid point.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    principal* not principle difference, goddamn it

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Correction: Charlottesville was place of the rally, not Charleston and I’m afraid it’s my bedtime.

    a whirling aluminum tube Reply:

    “Why don’t you fix your own country, so that you no longer have to flock toward immigrants as the locus of your frustration?”

    From a nativist perspective, the nativist areas of the United States are already relatively nice, when there aren’t immigrants around. We’re trying to make them better and deal with our problems like heroin, trade imbalances, government waste, etc.

    The cities are hell but we don’t control them politically.

    So what are you asking?

    The thing is, if you’re an average guy, yeoman farmer type you don’t necessarily benefit from being in the path of a bunch of hominids “flocking towards opportunity”. Maybe better off not welcoming them.

    If you want to be a plantation owner, you benefit from the hominids “flocking towards opportunity”. But we don’t want that.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    “From a nativist perspective, the nativist areas of the United States are already relatively nice, when there aren’t immigrants around.”

    I guess that depends who you ask, lol.. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/12/nation/na-postville-iowa12

    “If you want to be a plantation owner, you benefit from the hominids “flocking towards opportunity”. But we don’t want that.”

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-27/news/os-scott-maxwell-florida-immigration-20120627_1_e-verify-rick-scott-illegal-immigrants

    I grew up in Florida and always knew of the Fanjuls, so that was an easy find to illustrate the point.

    If ‘nativists’ focused their rage at their state governments and local businesses instead of at immigrants, that would be fearsome indeed.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Its worse than even that,because long term no ones ever benefited from eating shit. Capitalism today is destroying the mycellium on which it thrives.It may be getting some cheap calories in the short term but long term its toast. The commies didnt partner with the capitalist because theyre stupid. Communists think in generations capitalists think quarterly, To the extent capitalists think at all.
    When cucks like NRX get all ‘muh capitalism’ at the nazis they are like the other cuckservatives getting all muh constitution at the other socialists, it doesnt fucking matter if youre dead. Which is sort of ironic that since todays capitalists are yesterdays slave plantation owners and we know how well that turned out. So NRX is defending crypto slavery (moldbugs not even crypto about it) while the nazis are defending ethnic patchwork.
    It gets more bizarre when you think how obsessed we nrx all are about genetics and CRISPR yet the most basic low tech thing we could do to improve our average genetics is beyond the pale.

    Anon Reply:

    >And the nativist accusations leveled at immigrants … could be applied to the nativists themselves

    This is a pretty stupid analogy between cases. The nativists typically don’t have political and ideological power (that every third sentence of yours is insulting them, you must realize this, unless you are less than 1SD and driven by other motivations). While the immigrants are backed by elites here, and some of the immigrants in western countries are tied to elites in their homelands (see the connections between Gulf State oil elites and the city of London and financing/support for Islam there, for instance). The nativists typically have no control over the political process (if they did, Trump would have completely reversed things by now), while it could be argued that the more cognitively and financially upper-end immigrants could be part of the political processes back where they are from (see Indian elites in South Africa, Jewish elites in America, and Arab elites in England).

    Also, what ends up happening is that in your relentless, “but what about the browns,” quasi-SJW signalling you’ve also just created something that is indistinguishable from the nativism you allegedly despise except at a localist and social network level where the groups revert back to the mean after two or three generations. I saw this happen in the tech industry. Open it up to a bunch of high IQ indians, and they start operating and recruiting on ethnic grounds to the detriment of actual good code (HBD runs roughshod over capital. Probably another reason why Land “loves” capital). Congratulations on building ethnic blocs though, I guess. That you think immigrant voting blocs are better than nativist voting blocs really goes to shows what you are interested in here: ethnic-localism for yourself, no ethno-culturalism for the various European groups. It really does become what the idiots on /pol/ always say and what cultural critic Philip Rieff has said: a race war and a cultural war.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Anon,

    You are attributing things to me that I have not tried to say. You are either psychoanalyzing me or making shit up.

    I should have specified I was talking about illegal immigration, not Saudi royalty sending their darlings to Harvard.

    The contest is between the nativists, their state government and the various business interests.

    Instead of taking out their frustration on illegals – the often said, “Why don’t they fix their own country?” – nativists should look at the problems within their own political system: “Why don’t I fix my own country?”

    It’s not analogy, it’s simple inversion. One could draw from that further, “If I don’t fix the problems in my country, why should they fix the problems in there’s?”

    It isn’t a matter of hard work and struggle through the political process, but simply about the luck of the draw, where you’re born, since neither the nativist or the illegal immigrant are doing anything to change the political structure they’ve inherited, and are merely following pre-determined paths.

    Anon Reply:

    @Rohme

    Good god you are one of the dumbest commentators here. It is an analogy, because you are inferring conclusions from a comparison between cases. The cases are rhetorical situations with an orator, audience, and asserted claims. Case one’s orator are nativists, audience is immigrants, and assertion has the fixing claim along with a denial of entry. Case two’s orator is empty (but presumably something anti-nativist), audience is nativists, and their assertion is the fixing claim with SJW boilerplate. None of our conversation gets off the ground here, unless you accept the fact that you are making comparisons between cases, drawing inferences from it (explicit or not), then noticing the counter-claims to the analogical argument are built off dis-analogies and other counters (dis-analogies that moved you enough, that you are now starting to walk back your original comparative claims in a self-sealing effort). I could respond to your post above in a more comprehensive manner, but given you don’t even buy into the fact that you are arguing via analogy there is absolutely no point nitpicking your garbage, since you don’t even buy into basic philosophical analysis of what an analogy is.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Anon,

    The case I was making is general with a singular Citizen and an objective of keeping people in their own countries and out of others’ or keeping people out of their country and inside another.

    I see why you consider it analogical by virtue of how I presented it prior. So I don’t consider that what you’re saying is incorrect.

    Generally speaking, keeping ALL people in their countries and out of ALL others’ would require any particular subset (Country A) with its analogue (Citizen of Country A) to do so as well as ALL OTHER PARTICULAR CASES, which is why the nativist’s statement is ironic and transferential, speaking from a blind-spot of exemption to the universal implications of his own assertion; of course, Citizen of Country B ‘fixing his own country’ is not enough for Country A to keep all people out of their country and inside another.

    You realize this issues out of a deduction, right?

    I’d like more answers ‘in a comprehensive manner’! I scantly imagine what that pedanticism would look like.

    collen ryan Reply:

    What can I say Rohme, you seem to accept all sorts of premises I find laughable and I dont think you even realize youre accepting many of them.

    Actually the president condemned both sides of protests, which is sort of like not condemning what happened at all, so thats something new, if he survives we may be much closer than even i thought

    White supremacy is not good or bad its simply a fact. The fact is the entire world from the slants to the jews to the niggers all operate on the western cultural frame our frame and we are best adapted to it. if in a few hundred years you can show another race thats made a better go of it or replaced it with their own cultural frame ill take another look. In the meantime stop using faggy words like white supremacism – And BTW dont tell me to tone down the machismo cowboy the fuck up. we are men discussing how to rule the world WTF? A huge part of the problem is the utter faggotry of western men these days.

    Lets start with this idea that “WN” as people like you and your counterparts like to describe it: is actually a correlative of identitarian politics.This frame only holds within the liberal concept, and is what I am arguing against, and is what my critique of Taylor is meant to convey. None of its going to last much longer

    The white nationalism I am advocating predates all your political constructs, its simply the natural order, as is all the other ethno nationalism such as hutu, french,kurd and iclandic. It has zero to do with identity politics. Its only because of the mixed nature of most of the hegemonic anglospere that the adjective “white needs to be used sometimes. This seems to be a big gotcha for for some reason that eludes me. these mixed white nations have amply proved they are as well genetically built as any more pure euro nation, -until non white immigration happened.

    Again Jared Taylor you are correct is attempting to Alynski the left and set them up for being held to their own rules- what can i say Good luck with that, the left has no rules but winning. but if it makes you feel better they have a talking point that says whites can never ever be victims because white privilege. So Taylor as I said ,is simply playing the cuckservative game of, as Land put it, accepting how things are.

    And as i said things are not going to remain this way for long. Moldbug too basis his thesis on the 1000 reich of the cathedral- not going to happen its not different this time. Whites are not going to put up with dispossession, they have only played along this far because it didnt seem to cost them anything, fiat accounting and all that. Theres a lot more to how it got this far but suffice it to say leftism is out of road the feedback loop is tightening. Unfortunately for the left its happening both as information is widely available on precisely whats been going on and perhaps more importantly subsequent to their showing just how far they intend to take this- as in existentially. So theres not going to be any more minor oscillations this is the big one. leftisms done stick a fork in it.

    Ok please describe a theoretical exit. Because i have a long list of guys who tried it some even had nuclear weapons most had billions in numbered accounts a lot had huge armies and established nations and their volk behind them and none survived. The world is a smaller place now. You want to exit youre going to have to defeat the cathedral and take your territory and be able to hold it- but of course that been the case since forever. Only once you might find a spot where you were not noticed or worth bothering with for a while not anymore they want one world government so any scrap of desert or jungle island asserting autonomy is a mortal threat. besides they control all money every type. its war or submission. so the only way youre right about exit is like the jewbug imagining these crypto locked sewers in your imaginary future tech patch, but here in real world…..

    “The big mistake of the left, their sin of omission, was not including white men into their diorama of oppression.”
    I have to go back to this you dont fucking get it you think the lefts aim was immanentizing the eschaton- they did have white men as victims once in the beginning just like jews wer once and one day muslims will also be thrown under the bus. the left doesnt give a shit about people at all any people not niggers women or faggots , they care only about one thing POWER they want to rule the world absolutely, NO NOT TO MAKE IT BETTER JUST BECAUSE TO RULE IS WORTH AMBITION. all your fucking overthinking is garbage there is only one way to win an argument with a leftist PUT A BULLET THROUGH HIS FUCKING HEAD

    “What you don’t say can be more valuable than what you say. Talking how you talk, Collen, is self-defeating. It begs ridicule and scorn, if acknowledged at all.”
    This might be a good place to point out you asked me what I thought. Ill further add there was once a reactionary axiom that plain speaking naming the nigger the jew the statistic the frame the truth accurately was the best defence against newspeak. NICK LAND THE MARXIST DECONSTRUCTIONIST HAS OF COURSE FUCKED THAT UP>perhaps youde be more comfortable in the faculty lounge,

    “If a large group of determined people orientated themselves around this question and conducted themselves appropriately – adopting pacifism (which I admit their comportments may make hard for them) – it would be subversive, an inverse civil rights movement, and could bring a contradiction to bare the liberal edifice – founded on the right of the self-determination of peoples – could not support.”

    Rohme do you really comprehend what an 85 IQ low future time orientation 4 standard deviations higher aggression and etc etc etc really means? I mean not to pick on the niggers but multiculturalism is simply not sustainable, not with affirmative action not with jim crow or apartheid or slavery. niggers are absolutely useless if they are not supported they decay to haiti or liberia well actually haiti and liberia have a lot of support. in the near future we will struggle mightily to keep our own left half going while we engineer newer better generations. and this all works just as bad on the races with higher IQs and more socialized jews and east asians will simply subjugate us if allowed to remain. I dont know maybe youre good with that I predict most whites are not and will soon be expressing their wish to revert to the natural organizational order of ethno states. cicilization is hard the easiest way to make it easier is to separate it into similar groups- its so fucking simple but your uneasiness about multculti faggotry makes you blind.

    “Post-script, I am not at all interested or invested in white separatism. I am interested in the dialectical movement of consciousness. Obviously the white closure of identity politics may eject the left from identity politics altogether, once they see it is self-refuting.”

    what this even mean? Im not interested in white identity politics either I just want to get on with life unfortunately we have a problem, we adopted a jew religion and then over thousands of years got pwnd by jews who first use class warfare then transformed it into race warfare to continue their occupation, their entire mindfuck is so fucking convoluted and been going on for so many hundreds of years most of you assholes cant think straight – its simple throw all the communism both racial economic and faggoot / feminist oriented out go back to a normal nation state and reality. consciousness? how can you have consciousness when your minds full of garbage about how not to offend everyone and what their needs are fuck em- not my problem. you are a politics addict i want to get rid of it all and do science do math do farming do fucking you want to play leftist politics with niggers and jews go do it somewhere else please

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Sup cowboy,

    “Lets start with this idea that “WN” as people like you and your counterparts like to describe it: is actually a correlative of identitarian politics.”

    White nationalists describe themselves as identitarian, as a badge of honor, and have adopted the identitarian logic of the left and appropriated minoritarianism – “If blacks can be proud of their culture, why can’t we?” – likely in the fear, panic and anticipation of encroaching minority status.

    “This frame only holds within the liberal concept, and is what I am arguing against, and is what my critique of Taylor is meant to convey.”

    Fair enough. So we can divide white nationalism into liberal and illiberal camps. And the point made in Land’s ‘latest’ is anything on the side of liberalism is dead (rotting corpse liberalist Norma birthing illiberal Normans)

    “This might be a good place to point out you asked me what I thought.”

    LOL. True.

    “cicilization is hard the easiest way to make it easier is to separate it into similar groups- its so fucking simple but your uneasiness about multculti faggotry makes you blind.”

    Have you read Leopold Kohr’s The Breakdown of Nations? It’s a much better read than Moldbug’s writings on patchwork.

    J. L. Talmon’s The Origins of Totalitarian Democracy?

    If..you don’t shoot me in the head..

    ..and we continue to interface, we should abandon reference to Moldbug, since neither of us show really any deference toward him.

    “I just want to get on with life unfortunately we have a problem, we adopted a *** religion and then over thousands of years got pwnd by ***”

    Is the 14th Amendment “pownage” by ***? That’s a great source of pain for you, that equal protection clause, legal equality, isn’t it? How is that ***’s fault?

    collen ryan Reply:

    or just shoot them in their lifeboat swarm before they reach our shores

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    collen ryan Reply:

    and so we have the liberal WN which is the kamp that is attempting to play by the lefts rule of the hour and who i think we now agree and even reaction agrees are not going to succeed. and the other camp who i will name white naturalists who are not really organized because they are only now beginning to realize what must happen. The multicultural state must be dismantled entirely. Its going to take a while for enough of them to relize this, but the left is doing its utmost to wake them. its inevitable during this process the liberal WN, will try and succeed to some extent for some period to insert itself into this process. But few whites are really interested in being “WN” they may be very interested in aspects of their culture(s) in a natural way as opposed to viking riding wolves way. but they really just want to be left to work and raise families and nations. But they have run out of places to move and must now clean house.

    The 14th amendment? well its pretty dubious to interpret it to mean birthright citizenship let alone that the US is an open territory. It was intended to keep the civil war won and that a whole other can of worms. Lets just say I already said even slavery as multiculturalism isnt sustainable so to quibble over who and why we outlawed it is pointless. Your real point i suppose is moldbugs argument that calvinists were liberal before the jews, well sure to some extent but not calvinists greeks and romans renaissance italians dutch and english we euros have a evolutionary path that could loosely described as liberal, it works great among ourselves and it falls apart when we try to integrate. But lets not underestimate jewish influence going back to rome even.moldbugs right in the sense that christianity is a cuck theology, its inverse judaism. and the extent of jewish thought did not start with christianity then go silent until 1850s its been worming away the whole time but the usa was fertile ground having enshrined the enlightenment in its constitution. That doesnt mean the founders ever intended anything like what you think the constitution means, just that it was pretty easy over 200 years if you owned the cathedral to reinterpret it.
    Land is wrong wasps wont defend their culture thats exactly what they are doing by being cucks. they are defending their culture to the last man when they should be defending their people and when they are secured then defend their culture. Theirs nothing really wrong with white culture whn practiced among whites

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    Wagner Reply:

    There was a time-warp on the following post – there are bugs after me now swarming into a human shaped cyclone but I part them and clap them dead and they die knowing it’s right. Sorry, bugs, but I’m sorrier for my shoes that I have to scrape you off with.

    I mean to say that some kind of nerd-magic scrambled the thing I typed; the deep state guys whose wives I make cum all over my chest when they’re at work are shooting arrows, I suggest sending a catapult, Land, filled with X; everyone knows that if you actually took the shot you would hit them right between the brain. Place the bullseye, Fire. Not like you need my jackass advice but this is roughly what got burned:

    “Land is wrong wasps won’t defend their culture thats exactly what they are doing by being cucks.”

    Yup. Except both you guys are wrong:

    “Theirs nothing really wrong with white culture when practiced among whites”

    You defend white culture but what white culture is is being extremely courteous to the Other. (In an alternate history, Land’s Hot Grandmother offers a yellowfurtiveeyed negro “tea and crumpets” and she is “mauled… brutally” – Pummeled-Gramma-Land is known in this history to have tweeted the sole word “niggers” in 2014.) We kinda got thought-KO’d by the 1-2 punch of Socrates and Jesus… [Tape Deleted]Nope don’t delete tapes.

    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    Fixing the country in itself intrinsically involves extirpating aliens, and more besides, arranging the state of affairs such that importing aliens as a weapon of convenience for competition against their neighbors/coethnics (because that is after all what bluetribesmen/liberally minded persons/those subsets of the population afflicted with chronic backstabbing disorder actually care about; the aliens themselves are merely abstract props in their minds who own teleological entailments they only vaguely consider) becomes a political impossibility.

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  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    Nick, I love these two sentences,

    “‘Liberalism’ is the most profoundly corrupted word in political history. Without any exaggeration, rhetorical license, or metaphorical latitude, it’s the leathery sliced-off face of something murdered long ago which now serves to disguise a foaming chainsaw-wielding maniac sharing none of its DNA.”

    but I’m confused by the “sharing none of its DNA” bit. Have your views on ideological cladistics changed, or did I not understand them in the first place? I thought you regarded classical liberalism as a species of progressivism?

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    I’m still confused about how the Whig/Tory split maps onto the Left/Right split. I gather from your comment on the “almost” thread that, whatever the relationship between Whig and Left was before 1867, it changed after the Reform Act was passed.

    http://www.xenosystems.net/almost/#comment-14785

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    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    Stereotypes are epistemological revelations gifted by the aspect Kek through the power of meme magic.

    It is not for no reason that ‘liberal’ has come to be isometric with limp-wristed cafe MUGs (‘marxist’ until graduation) who’s brain chemistry has been addled by excessive estrogen exposure.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Very nicely put

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  • Peter George Stewart Says:

    Eh, I’m seeing the complete opposite of this, I’m seeing a resurgence of classical liberalism, coming from two sides, 1) people peeling off from the Left by rejecting identitarian politics and recovering a sense of universalist humanism, i.e. “returning” to classical liberalism, and 2) people on the Right continuing to stick to Constitutionalism as the core principle. They both converge.

    Trump’s victory WAS a victory for classical liberalism – even the economic populist aspect is within the boundary of it.

    The “Alt Lite”, the broader church of Trump supporters basically is people who share classical liberal core values, civic nationalism, individual liberty, etc., whether they’re “ex-Left or from within the Right as it has been.

    Politics is always a broad church, but insofar as there’s anything that’s united the reaction to the identitarian politics of the PC cult, it’s been a rediscovery of liberal, individualistic values. Which is why most of them continue to reject the Alt Right proper (because the Alt Right proper is taking the identitarian ball the Left’s given them and running with it).

    I think part of the problem with NRx lucubrations, fascinating as they usually are in terms of fearless exploration, is that there’s an assumption that classical liberalism was an unstable position that necessarily evolves/devolves (depending on how you look at it) to some sort of Borg-like future. But I think of it more as a balancing act that requires constant vigilance.

    Again, part of the problem is in this looking for a machine that will take care of itself – if you’re looking for that, rather than something to be eternally vigilant and alert about, then that’s what you’ll get.

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  • dmf Says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-macarthur-model-for-afghanistan-1496269058

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @ wag

    it is white culture to be extremely courteous to the other in a sort of reserved way. The thing is this developed among whites, so the other was a dutchman or even someone as exotic as an italian or an englishman.

    We had rules about fair play that worked so well we refuse to see how they cant work when the other doesnt have the same culture of other honor. (which certainly isnt the only problem with multiculturalism). Now we also had a sense of order and hierarchy, although it seems genetically egalitarian we had enough aristocracy natural and legal that we had sense of class, but along with this we had a sense of class obligation, again this sense of obligation to the other. So on one hand you dont allow yourself to become too familiar with the servants or they with you to preserve the class lines you also dont mistreat your servants, you might be legally able to get away with it but culturally it would be the end. The same with the sexes, euros have always had higher status for women and children, even animals.

    While a lot of this might have paid lip service to christian values it was far deeper and older, we were a much more fertile bed for the jewish heresy than the jews were.But no mistake christianity is morbid always was going to be often was.It goes beyond noblesse oblige into flattening communism with a moral imperative. Its also important to note until the modern era it simply wasnt possible to carry noblesse oblige to its extreme of a welfare state so it wasnt ever weighed under possibilities like that until communism shows up along with capitalism and it goes from being about noble grace to guillotine.

    The wasp is looking back over 500 2000 years of this system and its achievements and saying Im not going to give up on this culture of mine so full of tales of archetypal sagas of my ancestors holding fast to these principles and prevailing- Im going mad dogs and englishman down with the ship women and children first, a company man esprit du corps, we happy few, and m sure it will work out it always has. Im certainly not going to stoop to conquer to be like these savages or these low bred whites who have lowered themselves to the savage level. And of course theres a massive army of jew led propagandists academics and artists feeding into these ancient beliefs with just subtly enough revisions that it all seems to be of a piece, and yet not. This is why moldbugs puritain meme works so well as with all good lies theres some truth in it.

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  • Wagner Says:

    #unitetheright:

    “On the evening of the last day’s march an order had been received that the commander in chief would inspect the regiment on the march. Though the words of the order were not clear to the regimental commander, and the question arose whether the troops were to be in marching order or not, it was decided at a consultation between the battalion commanders to present the regiment in parade order, on the principle that it is always better to ‘bow too low than not bow low enough.’ So the soldiers, after a twenty-mile march, were kept mending and cleaning all night long without closing their eyes, while the adjutants and company commanders calculated and reckoned, and by morning the regiment–instead of the straggling, disorderly crowd it had been on its last march the day before–presented a well-ordered array of two thousand men each of whom knew his place and his duty, had every button and every strap in place, and shone with cleanliness. And not only externally was all in order, but had it pleased the commander in chief to look under the uniforms he would have found on every man a clean shirt, and in every knapsack the appointed number of articles, ‘awl, soap, and all,’ as the soldiers say.”

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @Rhome

    There is a branch of my clan that is in fact still “down in the ozarks” which was where they moved up to from the appalachians. Have you seen that movie ” winters bone” some of them are actually like, that scary people but proud and smart. I was in a walmart last year in appalachia ahead of me was one of these matriarchs she had half a dozen perfect little blonde appalation littleun grandkids with her. She was writing a check and the nigger cashier was having trouble with her name Campbell and finally said oh like the soup. To which i gave the little nigger bitch a lesson in highland history. So now youre the nigger bitch. warrior celts have nothing to apologize for least of all living in nature, its a good life to defend your culture and people from. LIttle faggots in offices would be in gulags sucking slavic dick if not for the warrior celts in the anglosphere. we also did most of the engineering and science because rrurallife is the mother of invention

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  • collen ryan Says:

    liberalism is an ideal,maximum liberty theres points of diminishing return no matter what the outside circumstance. But the curves vary greatly depending on political construction, technological advancement, demographic construction, etc. whites are liberal it a white thing its our evolutionary edge and so wasps are willing defend it to the last man, and outsiders love exploiting this. we can no more give this up than we can shed our white skin. We can however realize its not universally applicable. And that its often wise to defend your life over your principles.This isnt complicated you know darwin science, culture is part of the evolutionary feedback loop for humans nature nurture same shit, ergo cultures are not fungible nor transferable, ergo multiculturalism is not possible. really fucking simple if youre not a wet brained marxist larping as a neonazi philospher

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    collen ryan Reply:

    This is what war is for in white cultures after a few generations we become faggots, its good for art science and economics but bad for survival. every so often we have to consolidate our gains with a good war cull all the faggotry remind young men that civilization is hard a delicate balance never to be taken for granted. but we have to win these wars or the road back is long and arduous.

    We lost the last war the germans were the side that would have repaired western civilization, their socialism was not going to be the problem the nrx cucks larp on about it muh capitalism, it was simply the world zeitgeist reaction to the industrial revolutions upheavals. It would moderated if instead of crushing germany we had crushed the soviet jews. Instead the jews, bitches and faggots won, and have now recruited all the nigger races to their cause. The road back has been long and hard. But its probably for the best communism was bound to be tried capatilism was bound to also allowed free reign for a while, and the jews were bound to get as far as they have passing as whites , but now its all revealed without doubt. This wont be a minor cycle this will be a major cycle its the end of illusion for a long time to come.

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  • Bob Says:

    Appalachian Scotch-Irish aren’t descended from Highlanders or Celts. They’re actually derived from Lowland Scots, similar to Anglo-Saxons, and traditionally used by the English to fight the Highlanders and Irish.

    They may be fine people, but obviously you’re not going to most effectively fulfill some “western cultural frame” with such people and surpass say the Jews on that account.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    The campbells were highlanders fought with and against english at times. Im a bit skeptical of the whole hajinals are the real whites meme places like greece rome byzantine the current anglosphere are outside the line. Theres reasons talent attracts talent thats not genetic, and hajinals are the ones committing suicide. and making broad statements about the english irish welsh scotts etc etc etc is a rats nest it may be true some areas done much better than others really not possible to point to genetics as a reason

    But Ill agree we are not going to compete with jews or more importantly over time with east asians if we allow them to piggy back on us. We have more than raw IQ

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  • 4p0llo Says:

    Re:American Jews need to clean the Augean stables.

    That’s the problem though isn’t it, the “s” at the end of it. Individualism is the WEIRD idea, and it’s requires a group effort that frankly speaking, my people aka das American Jews don’t have in them.

    There’s a cleaning of the personal stables of heated discourse but even that is hard at times. You should have seen the faces I got when I said “won’t happen again, just like the Holocaust” at the last family gathering. If they’re not ready for that style of humor, thy certainly aren’t moving away from the old reactionary hyperleftist or Zionist-right rhetoric.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Land could learn something from this:

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/897256333237473280

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    No, I don’t agree, Big W, the guy’s not the brightest penny. You’re lowering yourself with such a reference.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Ill add this
    I never seem to get what your point is (yeah yeah) but really its purposely vague and is something like we indians are the smartest race but race doesn’t really exist but if it did there would be stupid people in the white race stupider than indians therefore we are the smartest race that doesn’t exist that taught you everything.

    Even though we indians are really dumb fucks that are really several races as a result of being the most racist people on earth so.Despite this we have an average IQ of 82 ( same as zimbabwe lolololololol )and are going to take over the world right after we stop shitting in the street and eating with the other hand. and we didn’t really throw wives onto funeral pyres worship cows or claim gandhi not thoreau invented civil disobedience and boycotts

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1EODB_enUS565US639&q=average+iq+of+india&oq=average+IQ+india&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i7i30k1l2j0j0i7i30k1.4577.4577.0.9222.1.1.0.0.0.0.81.81.1.1.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.80.0qBSgvBbwg0

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @</strong

    Trump should have said who's next Washington? Jefferson?- the Democrat party? Your calling these pro confederates nazis, is strange. The Nazis were a german political party, the party that defended slavery and fought the civil war and instituted jim crow were called Democrats. You should be calling these "racists" Democrats not Nazis.

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  • Milton Says:

    Admin I agree that libertarianism and liberalism is a purely WASP strain, but for real, the Hajnal line is stupidest meme I have ever encountered. So the Byzantine, Ottoman, Spanish and Austro-Hungarian Empires were tribalistic because their citizens shit out more kids than an englishman? This is pure stupidity. You can make an argument for the development of individualism but really anything other than that is overreaching.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    someone counted coup on sam harris but good

    https://twitter.com/MLChristiansen/status/896800538058039296/photo/1

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  • Pseudo-chrysostom Says:

    I just want to say i like that the magazine is called Jacobite as The Scottish are of course the master race.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    Nothing against Scots, lovely landscapes, drinks etc …

    Just want to share few ‘honest’ ( I hope) contemplations on racism.

    My departure point is that we do not distinguish animals on races, but humans only. What distinguishes animals from humans, then becomes a key question. if we can show that there is no difference, a concept of races will disintegrate in its cultural compartment, already done so as a scientific proposition.

    What distinguish humans from animals? – ‘Conceptual Confidence’ is what distinguish humans from other animals. (Sellers). Sweet, you must be an idiot to qualify as a human. True, but hard to accept. I would rather look for some sort of compromise and divide humans on those who are animals and those who are not. In this case, most humans are aminals and concept of races is not applicable to them. For rest animals, who are humans, races still can be applied.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    We have “races” of dogs. We call them “breeds”. In fact, there was a post here a month or two ago in which Admin brought up the idea of someone being a “Laborador supremecist”.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Thats retarded of course we distinguish races of animals. I would no more use my livestock guardian dogs Pyrenees to flush for my hawke’s than i would Than I would expect my springer to hurl himself at a grizzly bear which my Pyrenees will do without hesitation they can do no other. They are the same species as the wolves and coyotes they kill, but they dont see it that way. It kills my springer to heel he is bred to quarter.Hes one of only a couple breeds with webbed feet and is a good diver. Hes also extremely smart, smart enough to have tricked me at times.

    My highland cattle are Ideal for the north idaho rocky mountains, they actually like blizzards and digging up weeds in several feet of snow, they drop calfs in the snow without problems are such good mothers they are cross bred for that and are know for docility. a southern race of cattle would end up as cowsicles.

    I have bees that I selected because they are less aggressive and they tend to swarm less and they stop reproducing as they sense resources declining so needing less overwintering honey.Others choose over bees for different traits.

    there are tens of thousands of examples of animals domestic and wild that though closely related enough to breed successfully even often being hardly discernible from each other have extremely different behavior

    similarly we animals bred for meat or dairy or fibre.some breeds are susceptible to certain diseases and resistant to others.

    Humans and apes are 99% same code the difference between us is roughly equivalent to that between horses and donkeys who can interbreed and even sometime produce fertile offspring. We did in fact hybridize with different hominids which most certainly has contributed to our human racial differences.And its pretty lkely we the differences between us and the other hominids accounts for our surviving and they not (Im 4% neanderthal which probably is the cause of the alcoholism and mood disorders that run in my family as well as some other traits)

    (granted race breed ethnicity or used interchangeably, but im taking your classic definition of a dicernable breed ethnicity of animal including human vs the meta races of humans animals)

    If we can show there is no difference in races it will dissolve????????? ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID? where the fuck have you been? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST DO SOME RESEARCH> we cant prove that because its so not true its like fucking retarded to even for a second think it. jesus geneticists can tell withing 300 miles of where in the worl you were born simply by your dna if you havnt moved obviously. go to jamans blog and look at the data.
    You want to divide humans not by race but by who are animals and who are not? well any reasoned test like that would fall along racial lines with few outliers.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [collen ryan] “You want to divide humans not by race but by who are animals and who are not? well any reasoned test like that would fall along racial lines with few outliers.”

    {AK}: The animal/non-animal distinction is susceptible to wildly varying cultural mappings. It can be drawn in so many different ways, innumerable, really. And any one of those ways, can be justified by whatever teleological perspective, one chooses to elect or privilege.
    Usually, the first stage utilitarian evaluations of these emanate from the murky, half baked considerations of everyday life, common sense, and folk scientific shibboleths. Pretty much, that’s the level at which 99% of public discourse, occurs. This is what you’re doing; what Nick Land exploits; and so on.
    It’s a very easy playground to mess about in. You can do all kinds of superficial and moronic contrarian moves in it, once any sense of responsibility is relinquished.
    We’ve already established, a while back, that you don’t seem to have a basic grasp of simple logic. You’re not alone in this, it can be observed in the output of many people from the USA. Without it, though, you’ll never have a well-developed conception of reason; you’ll always be stuck at a base level of simplistic, causal observations, with corollary rigid and inadequate outlooks.

    Of course, we’re all different. So what? Are you only going to use that fact to plaster your self-loathing all over the comments section of this blog?

    “To suggest that we can learn anything about the simian nature from a study of man is sheer nonsense. Why, man is a nuisance. He eats up his food supply in the forest, then migrates to our green veldts and ravages our crops. The sooner he is exterminated, the better. It’s a question of simian survival.” –Doctor Zaius

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Artxell,

    The coming geneticization of life fits neatly into the neoliberal governance model because it equates peronshood and material ownership (ownership of genetic material and information) DNA is perhaps the ultimate metaphor for private property. But what happens when the genetic code, or biological “essence” more generally, becomes open for the logic of exchange and circulation as commodities and the old idea of production as the transformation of nature into goods becomes the transformation of goods into nature(s)?

    It is obvious many here at xenosystems like genetization. Systemic failures are reinscribed as sites of genetic stigmatization. Structural inequalities don’t become questions of fairness but facts of genetic inheritance. Again, it’s very wonderful legerdemain for the neoliberal model. Implicit here is an ideal of a social order ruled by genetic code.

    Those belonging to a ‘privileged genetic group’ resonate with this idea today. They rule. The inferior get ruled. But will they accept this after a bespoke-DNA or couture-sequencing explosion? Whatever lines this falls upon will make race look like an antiquated term. Everyone’s enjoying the racial politics of today and ignoring the ‘genetical’ politics of tomorrow.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Rohme, yes, I agree.
    Around 6 or 7 years ago, I wrote this, as a YouTube comment: “A thousand years from now there will be considerable difficulty ascertaining someone’s original species, if they even have one.”
    I think that scenario is going to occur within decades, really.
    I’ve considered genetics and evolution a number of times, on this blog. Here’s two of them.

    http://www.xenosystems.net/on-chaos/#comment-42337

    http://www.xenosystems.net/new-low/#comment-173091

    Haven’t got time to respond to Collen. Google my other comments on this blog.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Artxell,

    This girl is very special.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrm0P4OLuM8

    Wagner Reply:

    THIS is a special girl:

    https://archive.org/details/7thSymphony2ndMovement

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Haha, a very special girl. Beethoven’s creativity with variation is nonpareil. This has to be one of my favorite movements of orchestral music ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0boaBa6QM

    Maybe you should wait until you’ve scaled that mountain to listen (for maximum effect) – assuming that its still on your bucket list.

    Let me know what you think. Everyone reacts to music differently.

    Send me more music! Any genre, I’m down.

    Wagner Reply:

    No man, this isn’t a place for sharing music, it’s for sticking our tongues out and wiggling “moose antlers” at ZOG. “Most of the best humans that have ever lived were German, let’s mix them with mud” – nothing sinister about this plot.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I wrote the following, a few days ago. Any time, I put in more than one hyperlink, the comment goes into moderation. Looks like, any comment with multiple links requires balkanisation into a comment patchwork, lol!

    “Rohme, yes, I agree.
    Around 6 or 7 years ago, I wrote this, as a YouTube comment: “A thousand years from now there will be considerable difficulty ascertaining someone’s original species, if they even have one.”
    I think that scenario is going to occur within decades, really.
    I’ve considered genetics and evolution a number of times, on this blog. Here’s two of them.

    http://www.xenosystems.net/on-chaos/#comment-42337

    Relevant section – ““Darwinian systems” are an ongoing race of elements adapting to conditions which they themselves constitute. Thus, any particular reading of ‘conditions’, done in a sectarian way, merely becomes a new ‘element’, reflexively producing new ‘conditions’, instantly outmoding itself.

    1) “The techno-commercial critique of democratized modernity is not that too much chaos is tolerated, but that not enough is able to be shed.”
    2) “The problem with bad government, which is to say with defective mechanisms of selection, is an inability to follow Cthulhu far enough.”
    3) “It is from turbulence that all things come.”

    Thus, according to your logic, if an ideal ‘Neoreactionary’ government was able to shed all ‘chaos’, there would be no ‘turbulence’ left, from which anything could come?

    If you wish to reject that possibility, then you face the ineluctable conclusion that Neoreaction wholly depends on the very countervailing social forces animating its ethos of alleged dissatisfactions, that you call ‘chaos’, in order to produce anything at all. So why complain about chaos in the first instance, if you’re only going to praise & promote it as an engine of productivity, in the second instance?

    Or perhaps you’re valorising the lean, mean, new machine of polity that would result from the process of ‘Darwinian’ contention? But that would presuppose a degree of teleological faith in the superior results of a deliberate & designed institutional breakdown? That would be ok, if Neoreaction wasn’t incessantly trawling the very history of ideological wrangling & sedimented stumblings that have led to current scenarios. It’s not as if Neoreaction has a new transformative vision, not with all the regressive reality-talk. But it does languish in its own entrails, so that doesn’t really inspire faith.

    “The question Outside in would pose… ‘how can we learn to tolerate chaos at a far higher intensity?’… The primary requirement is sorting…To sort ourselves out takes a chronic undertow of war and chaos.”

    There’s more faith here, in the werhrmacht? Deleuze’s “war machine”? or the ‘military’ of your ‘Neoreactive’ state?”

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Here’s the other one – “http://www.xenosystems.net/new-low/#comment-173091

    Haven’t got time to respond to Collen. Google my other comments on this blog.”

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    Beethoven wasn’t appreciated in his time. The irony is that your melancholia should be two-fold: for the fallen state of Germany today, and for the fallen state of Germany during Beethoven’s time.

    We would have much more in common if you replaced ‘Zog’ conspiracy with ‘ruling class’, an insurmountable gap between us I will fruitlessly continue to build bridges between.

    A question. How could we view the state structure as an entity ‘for-itself’ so that the actions of state actors are intelligible within an operating framework dictated by the state and the specified roles of actors are commensurate with the general role of the state?

    If you were to say, “Despite the accommodation of various actors, the state’s objective is its own survival.”, that would produce the most interesting question, “What IS the state’s survival?”

    Also: to you, what is survival?

    Wagner Reply:

    The ZOG conspiracy is an exaggerated reaction to the exaggeration of a belief (sweatily peddled by Land) that there is no ZOG conspiracy at all. It’s basically an invitation to ‘meet in the middle’, and since Zion-Reaction won’t step toward the middle, neither will ZOG conspiracists. It’s not a conspiracy anyhow, just look who owns the Cathedral. The 1940s weren’t that long ago, pathological hatred for what you and Artxell might call “the Other” is still fresh. You guys are probably right though, we should just have big enough hearts and FAITH that the next Beethoven is coming out of the Australian Aboriginal line, because well, just have faith.

    There’s a hierarchy of survival. For some, loincloth’d javellening of antelopes is survival, for others listening to that distasteful Indian woman’s music is one with survival, for autistic nerds reading 6 hours of philosophy a day or else feeling suicidal ideation is survival. This is what leftists psychically expurgate from Nietzsche’s doctrine of master/slave perspectivalism – “what one ought to do” is not universal, slaves like a slave-like morality, masters like a master-like morality–morality, aesthetics, not much of a difference in postdeathofgod times. Surviving for the idiot proles Mike pretends to love so much entails hooting and donuting around in monster trucks while getting roadhead, surviving for me entails capturing a 13/10 alien bride from a distant planet and procreating with her on Earth to prepare for my line’s future stewardship over the human, as well as outer-alien, races. Survival would also include taking her to see the Oresteia and having laughs and whatnot that us earthlings like: the higher pleasures in life like drinking ayahuasca in a sensory deprivation tank with giggling dolphins. That’s survival to me. What does survival mean for you?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Artxell,

    Very provocative stuffs. Thinking man’s food.

    “..ruling obligation to be in accord with this horizon effectively shuts out, or complicates, possibly superior solutions to problems which would be utilised by a culture based on the valorisation of specific & relevant merits, rather than one hamstrung by relevances to non-specific, socio-hierarchical considerations.”

    This about sums up what, in a recent dialogue with Collen, I was trying to explain, where I said, “The bondedness of lords and bondsman is the bondedness between man and nature redoubled.”, and that “the insane thesis of communism” was that the dissolution of classes was the best way for humanity to confront its alienation from nature.

    So when you say, “…any particular reading of ‘conditions’, done in a sectarian way, merely becomes a new ‘element’, reflexively producing new ‘conditions’, instantly outmoding itself.”, I wonder, “What is the condition of those conditions?” Do you believe there is a fundamental alienation to which all supervening forms position themselves as a resolution toward, so that ‘collectivities’ exist as none other than ‘collectivities OF self-alienation’?

    I think you say as much – “you face the ineluctable conclusion that Neoreaction wholly depends on the very countervailing social forces animating its ethos of alleged dissatisfactions, that you call ‘chaos’, in order to produce anything at all”

    This has excited me into bringing up the concept of jouissance, a piece-de-resistance in Lacan’s elegant revamp of Freud’s drive theory. Jouissance is the perpetual dissatisfaction driving the subject towards his eternally-on-the-way enjoyment. It is probably Lacan’s most political concept (once you make the appropriate conjunctions of it with political philosophy)

    It is radically anti-teleological; within its aegis, we could say Nick Land mis-recognizes capital as ‘phantasm’. “What is capital’s teleology?” Land stupendously asks. “Certainly not to ‘accelerate’ and bring about an end to itself.” we who understand drive incredulously retort.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Meeting in the middle. How wistfully democratic a notion that is from you, Wagner. Why not meet you in the middle? How unreasonable of them all! After all, you’re only trying to tell the truth!

    It seems in your cosmology of survival there persists an over-arching erotology. This is very good.

    I’m sure, once in a while, while peering into your telescope and listening over ham radio for alien transmissions, you’re inclined toward some road head – if only to let off some steam! – but then again, the greatest European minds are nearly an asexual or abstinent group. What does that say for survival?

    Anthropogenic desire complicates (m)Other Nature’s design of survival. How is it we don’t define survival (completely) within our own bodies? Suicide is such a perfect analogy. It is the belief of surviving IN death! What bloody kind of survival!

    Wagner Reply:

    “How wistfully democratic a notion that is from you”

    Well, are you a liberal or not? 😀

    Those oppressed nazi Others. We should, as good liberals…. emancipate them! Let them speak! Dissolve Google’s “green wall” at once, for the sake of upholding a liberal society.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    if you replaced ‘Zog’ conspiracy with ‘ruling class’

    “Ruling class” is so general and generic, so essential to every society ever, forever, that it is virtually meaningless to replace ZOG with it in this context.

    Has America pursued Zionist interests? Yes.

    Is it Occupied by Zionists? No?

    Wagner Reply:

    Almost a quarter of the Nobel Peace Prize recipients are Jewish. Now, I haven’t investigated the extent to which this institution is pozzed, but that really is something. If Jews are that intellectually fecund I would say the US has a certain duty to send some of its surplus wealth to such a young patch. I mean, if we’re going to christianly squander ourselves in self-sacrifice it is according to the project of Intelligence Enhancement to support *them* rather than teaching Little Little Artxells how to use the bathroom. The problem is the ones in power who sublimate our squandering urge into teaching animals how to shit into a pot. I wonder… would they want to weaken us so that Israel could be stronger? I wonder…

    I still haven’t seen an intelligent alt-right critique of Nietzsche’s stance on the Jews. He had some very nice things to say about the Old Testament, which have a zest that reminds me only of his admiration for Machiavelli/Borgia (I mean in a good way). The non-degenerate Jews need to do something about their cousins who have used their divine gifts for evil, before someone else does. I’m not trying to bring it about, I just see this as inevitable unless a kind of obliteration of political correctness is put into place in Law.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    No, I’m not a liberal! How can you even ask me that?

    Liberalism makes me fucking sick, Wagner. It makes all of us sick.

    When it comes to hating liberalism, all of us at xenosystems ‘meet somewhere in the middle’! Do we not?

    At the same time, don’t blame the tiger when you put your head in its mouth!

    May I ask another question; to you, what is Western culture?

    Wagner Reply:

    Western culture certainly isn’t conservatism, in liberalism itself an aufheben is taking place. These are fun times to be alive, that is for sure. Anacyclosis, or what I call Anacyclolsis, is taking its toll and spinning around, I salute the democratic regime with utmost contempt and wish for dictatorship as a catalyst of the following aristocratic regime.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Erik,

    How have you been? I read somewhere Iceland’s food is superior because of the sulfate in the soil from the volcanic ash. Sounds yummy.

    ““Ruling class” is so general and generic, so essential to every society ever, forever, ”

    That’s the point, really. I’ve been saying, If it weren’t this Cathedral, there would be another Cathedral.

    You mean to say people are using the state not for the public good? A real SHOCKER!

    For Zog, I use ‘conspiracy’ in its denigratory connotation.

    The left and right are one party that split itself in two so that it could never lose an election.

    The left and right is the mitosis of cell that could no longer hold so many contradictory elements within its membrane.

    This is a real conspiracy. It is the most exquisite sorcery.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Never been better. Tripled my income through AirBnB. Had a so-far failed romance with a Slovakian girl. Slovaks are beautiful people. Never knew anything of them really, but they look more Western than some other nations the east of Germany. Their language is a lot softer than Russian. And they often have big brown eyes, or yellow ones (like Hungarians), and even blondes and blue-eyeds.

    Possibly the most beautiful Slavic language.

    And this girl had one of the most hottest butts I’ve ever seen. I was so fortunate as to have her make some moves with it a couple of times for me, which was quite orgasmic to see. She’s my personal Rihanna. She speaks very good English as she’s an English teacher.

    Wasn’t able to actualise our relationship though even though I had a chance a couple of times of kissing her, instead we hugged (my lead). Apparently I’m about as emotionally chaotic as Darth Vader. I love her but I cannot do this dance for women, so I think I’m just moving to Asia to eat spicy food, buy technology, do cyborg stuff, enjoy liquids, and fuck hookers.

    She told me sis she’s coming back in November to see the Northern Lights, so I dunno. Def wanna move to Asia though. I’ve been hosting Asians on AirBnB and they’re some of the best guests. So friendly and polite. Love the Chinese. Couple of Japanese girls were snapping photos of me downtown Reykjavík as well. Gotta prefer that to macho people.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Erik the Red,

    Glad to hear this. If you can triple your income, which I imagine was substantial to begin with, you can find a way to marry this Slovakian beauty. After all, you can’t sow your seed with hookers. Who’s going to enjoy that neural-network you set up on your Icelandic patch and enjoy the skyr and sulfate-enriched vegetables when your gone?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    Western culture can be conceived as nothing but the most feverish hallucination,

    “What is Western culture” is: what is its architecture, its art, its music, its poetry, its literature, its God, its history, its science.

    Within these is Western aether.

    Do you not see that Western culture presents itself to us as a dream?

    You are looking for where we can redraw the map, how we can retreat to familiar margins whence we flourished.

    Junk culture is accumulation culture. There will no longer be aristocracy. Aristocrats wouldn’t even believe in it. Aristocratic virtue is in the ruins of the Western psyche you make the purpose of archeologizing. It exists in dry ink only.

    The Master says we all are aristocrats – kind of like the joke: “What do you call yourselves, you shit-eating, sister-fucking perverts?” “Oh, we are the Aristocrats!” – an inscription bearing down on the hedonist-calculus of the market.

    Benthamism is the repudiation of aristocratic virtue in full, as is Hobbes and Locke and all the political naturalists.

    The goal of the state was to create the last man and to make it seem like in doing so it was doing us all a favor; by putting us out of our misery.

    Polybius’ hamster-wheel is finished. Not only did the wheel break, the hamster’s dead. Don’t worry, Fukuyama buried that hamster up on a nice hill.

    We are living in a direct inversion of Plato’s Kallipolis. Remember poor Plato who, in his beautiful-city hallucination, thought guardians should not touch those of the third estate (they were his Untouchables) Contemptible persons with souls of such poor quality degrade themselves with accumulation he thought. Holding property was a sign of congenital powerlessness, a lack of self-control and thus control of others, he thought.

    Well, in the Third-Estates’ hallucination we are living in, it is the guardians who are contemptible, possessing poor-quality souls. Lack of property is, of course, powerlessness. And the money makers keep themselves away from the degrading activities of aristocratic virtue!

    Lacan said there is a shame in being alive when beyond the absence of shame. Let that sink in.

    When we no shame, the shame is, in fact, total.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Benthamism is the repudiation of aristocratic virtue in full, as is Hobbes and Locke and all the political naturalists.”

    They exist in dry ink only :]

    Besides, how aristocratic of them to write such things–or no?

    Kojeve, as I poasted befoar, showed he was consciously an aristocrat trying to bring about the Last Man. Aristocracy is never over in the sense that the telos of our desire aligns tautologically with “the best should rule”. The question of course is who and what is the best.

    Socrates. Every one is aware that about some things we are agreed, whereas about other things we differ.

    Phaedrus. I think that I understand you; but will you explain yourself?

    Soc. When any one speaks of iron and silver, is not the same thing present in the minds of all?

    Phaedr. Certainly.

    Soc. But when any one speaks of justice and goodness we part company and are at odds with one another and with ourselves?

    Phaedr. Precisely.

    At odds with our own selves – that’s a golden thread through Plato. Waxing meta-praxisly, I am at odds with myself about aristocracy because it contains the seeds of oligarchy (which itself contains the seeds of et cetera and ad infinitum)–but, you would not grant that aristocracy is nevertheless thee ideal? Realpolitik ain’t Idealpolitik: without ideals we’d wallow in barbarian squalor (ever been to America?)

    “The visible contains all the signs that lead to the invisible.” (Jünger, The Paris Diaries: 1941-1942)
    Realpolitik IS Idealpolitik, esoterically, and vice versa.

    On the other hand, and in line with Zarathustra’s Thisworldliness, it can be said that too high an ideal is debilitating and does the opposite of what it seeks to accomplish. Also, and contra Land who called it the worst thing in the world, I see the ‘subordination of intelligence’ as the best thing in the world, for it is necessary. Strauss often talked about how the men truly fit for ruling need to be compelled (coerced?) to rule, as apolitical philosophers are citizens of the Isles of the Blest, so why would they want to be bothered? A similar problem regarding the animus against the subordination of intelligence is that it can lapse into being inconducive to… enhancing intelligence:

    “It was a basic principle with Brother Otho to treat each single person with whom we came into contact as a rare find discovered on one’s travels. Then, too, his favorite name for men was “the optimates,” to signify that everyone must be numbered among the true-born nobility of this world, and that from any one of them we may receive supreme gifts. To him they were vessels stored with wonders, and to figures of such nobility he accorded the rights of princes. And in truth I saw how each one who approached him unfolded like a plant awaking from its winter sleep; it was not that they became better, but that they became more themselves.” (from Jünger’s anti-nazi novel; Otho sounds like Rohme)

    The question is, at what point is it a waste of time to treat soulless humans as humans? They may look human, they’re not human. If man can look down on apes why cannot man look down on man? Obviously a baboon isn’t going to write and rap something like Tupac’s “California Love” but that doesn’t mean someone like Badiou should go waste his breath in a ghetto with gankstas that wouldn’t make *him* better, make *him* more himself. Would you want the Badious of the world squandering their invaluable time speaking with people they can *entirely see through and learn absolutely nothing from, who indeed do nothing but lower the Badious through force of attrition*? If you answer yes – are you crazy? What an abysmal waste that would be (good for *my* agenda but you get the point).

    “When we no shame, the shame is, in fact, total.”

    Yes, that thought causes me disquiet. Maybe I will pick up Lacan again someday but most in that generation of Frenchmen are all really similar to each other and it gets hackneyed after a while. So much for philosophies of difference, when I’ve heard 100 millennials sqwuak nearly verbatim the SAME philosophy of DIFFERENCE soooo many times and I’m only a 20-something recluse, how much more boredom can I take before I snap? No offense but I don’t think Deleuze would have wanted everyone to be a Deleuzian.

    Lacan’s point was implicit when I said recently that morality and aesthetics might as well be the same thing in postdeathofgod times. No God = No Morality = No Shame. The death of God is the death of shame. The death of shame is the death of self-improvement. Self-improvement = Growth = the Will to Power = the Fabric of Reality. The Fabric of Reality is Dead, and we have killed it.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wags,

    “but, you would not grant that aristocracy is nevertheless thee ideal? Realpolitik ain’t Idealpolitik: without ideals we’d wallow in barbarian squalor”

    Sticking to Western culture, it was the aristocracy who, because of their unique position to appropriate the surplus and their need to preserve their position, emphasized material life over the ideal. The ‘crass’ poor were actually dumb idealists who were getting tossed around in a boat. If it were made into a movie, you could call it, “Rameau’s Nephew.”

    I find it funny that you say aristocrats are the ideal when, for aristocrats, the ideal isn’t the ideal. They, as a class, – **academic nobility included** – clearly prefer Realpolitik for keeping their advantage.

    “”They exist in dry ink only :] Besides, how aristocratic of them to write such things–or no?”

    The fact you want to excuse him – “Besides, how aristocratic of them to write such things–or no?” – betrays you being in the wilderness. Bentham is a signal of gleeful, aristocratic auto-destruction of older Confucian/MoH-style aristocratic rule.

    For him, legal bodies are fictitious, the community is a fictitious, absolutist moral philosophies are fictitious.
    The only thing not a fiction for Bentham is bodily truth of a flight from pain towards pleasure. That means aristocratic virtue – heroism, the risk of death, etc. – are all stupid, vapid and injurious fictions and pathologies that need to be rectified in a felicific calculus of pains and pleasures measured across the whole ‘fictitious’ social body.

    Bentham IS the Cathedral, the Cathedral IS Bentham.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

    He is progressivism and multiculturalism and political correctness and everything you piss yourself at night for rolled in one.

    And he even requested, upon his death, his corpse be preserved for display, almost as a kick-start to the conversation, “Come on guys, why aren’t you copying me now?” He’s eternal. His face is there for us. He lives on for us; to watch us; to make us feel safe; to make sure we don’t make any mistakes; to make sure we don’t break any laws.

    He’s the face of capital. He exists in more than dry ink.

    “Otho sounds like Rohme” ”

    LOL. But he seems like the village idiot, so I guess you’re just calling me the village idiot!

    “The question is, at what point is it a waste of time to treat soulless humans as humans? They may look human, they’re not human. If man can look down on apes why cannot man look down on man?”

    The Valladolid debate.

    “Would you want the Badious of the world squandering their invaluable time speaking with people they can *entirely see through and learn absolutely nothing from, who indeed do nothing but lower the Badious through force of attrition*?”

    I can almost read this as saying, “Why be nice at all?” Hollywood knows what you want, I mean it keeps putting out those “Purge” movies.

    “the SAME philosophy of DIFFERENCE”

    Your problem is listening to millennials squawking instead of reading the damn books. No offense.

    “The death of shame is the death of self-improvement. Self-improvement = Growth = the Will to Power = the Fabric of Reality. The Fabric of Reality is Dead”

    Nonsense. You just think fabric is really tacky. You don’t like the upholstery.

    Self-improvement is an industry, after all, we’re in ‘the age of self’.

    If anything, I agree with Baudrillard’s The Perfect Crime. There is too much reality, too much excitation, no counter-space, no alternative, excess of representation, a reality which lacks nothing. The dialectic has fulfilled itself not by tarrying with the negative but in total irrevocable positivity.

    Wagner Reply:

    I’m just saying Rohme, it’s not like Caribbeans are having this discussion. Even being part of the debate partakes of white supremacy, inescapably. But Bentham that white guy says…!

    “For him, legal bodies are fictitious, the community is a fictitious, absolutist moral philosophies are fictitious.
    The only thing not a fiction for Bentham is bodily truth of a flight from pain towards pleasure.”

    So it is not a fictitious legality that there is a “bodily truth of a flight from pain towards pleasure”
    And you are saying that Benthamism does not consist of a .. dare I say it.. community?
    That Benthamism is not an absolute moral philosophy?
    That feeling pleasure from believing in Benthamism justifies Benthamism in the eyes of higher criteria?

    It’s fulfilling more than pleasurable having this chat with you Rohme at this KKK meeting. Pleasure, survival, power, all that, is just hipster-baseness rebelling against what is Right.

    “everything you piss yourself at night for rolled in one”

    Hey man don’t taunt me about that! I’ve been meaning to relay to you that our worlds are much “different” in the sense that you say what you say and probably go about your ordinary life, but when I say certain things I have episodes of paranoia and wonder if I’m going to get shot in the head through my window by Antifa or swooped away and tortured at a ZOG facility. I wish I could write off these as mere sensations, or displeasures as you might call them, as schizophrenia, but I have concluded they are symptoms of tyranny. A tyranny, friend, that you seem to be pretty invested in. Unless I’m mistaken and you’ve had some uncomfortable experiences after posting things here? Maybe I am crazy after all and the premonitions of death and hypnogogic images of skulls I see when I am trying to sleep are totally uncaused by any power-structure/Panopticon, but only due to my own mental illness. Probably not, the best mystical metaphor for progs is they suck the Devil’s cock.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I’m virtually fully converted, or shall we say self discovered as having Land’s, and also Giuliano’s viewpoint by now. A pick and choose from both.

    The replication of the monkey hierarchy as seen in the Ancien Regime is just comparatively useless.

    Believe me, self-sacrifice is retarded. Just put forward good deals and buy shit. We all just wanna feel good. Have hot baths, hot food, and enjoy comfortable things.

    Those who don’t can join the army or set up a security company.

    Violent leftism is a problem, but thus you have Security to guard property and production.

    Violent rightism doesn’t really exist. Moldbug was right. Land is right.

    There’s arms race, but it leads to deterrence. Putin says drones will fight the wars of the future. I’ve been saying that.

    Multiple special forces PsyOps master Dr. Michael Aquino has been saying as much. PsyWar over PhysWar.

    Monkey grandstanding is just atavism. Running on the battlefield “brave” with a gun & grenade. Why?

    I’ve done brave things. Stopped a guy on the street who was beating his chick.

    Shouldn’t we rather reward the chicks who are smart enough to not get into such situations?

    I rescued a buddy from two Aras in Copenhagen. They were gonna beat him. I got a fibrosis in my lip from that altercation. Virtually permanently I have uncomfortable hardened tissue inside my lip from that. I regret it.

    Saving that small fry has left me permanently scarred, and you know what he did? Ran away. As did all my other (at the time) friends. I stood alone against those fucks, and almost smashed a glass on one of their heads. Anyway, I rescued him and he’s never even said thanks or done shit for me in my life.

    See that? Okay, standing against tyranny is good. Against violent punks, it is good.

    Just make sure you are defending. Because if you’re not just defending, then you are Hitler.

    Hitler fucking screwed up. He screwed up for everybody, even himself.

    He didn’t defend Europe against Bolshevism, but brought bolshevism over half of Germany.

    He wasn’t defending. He didn’t defend shit.

    He wasn’t security, he was terror. And useless death-worship. Totenkopf. Morbid.

    Stalin didn’t really defend shit either. His fevered dream lasted a few decades.

    British capitalism? Still rolling. Stronger than ever.

    Because they defend more than attack. Build a business, defend it. Expand through trade. Ya, I know they were gangsters but you have to look at it comparatively. What were they against in the colonies? Warchiefs. Literal chiefs and tribal leaders.

    War-chiefs. What was Bush against in Iraq? A less developed state.

    America simply outwitted Hitler and everybody else.

    Jewish-WASP America. Multicultural America.

    What is making me, Icelandic farm-boy, rich? AirBnB some app I signed up for in minutes, and whose support team calls me from London or Israel.

    It’s exactly what I want. I don’t even have to meet a single person. Just list my property, put in my Paypal and receive money as long as I provide a service.

    Nobody I have to rescue with heroism.

    Just a fucking app. Clean. Neat. Fast.

    Leftism, including its variants White Nationalism and Nazism, is just an evolutionary throwback. From an intelligent standpoint it’s just morbidity.

    Forget about it. Let the nations disintegrate and be replaced with capitalist patches.

    Also, fight feudalism pretending to be capitalism.

    Starve out fascism, and bolshevism.

    Lots of bolshevists in Antifa.

    Get thugs hooked on smartphones apps. Let the proletariat play Candy Crush — they have nothing better to do, so to speak.

    Either provide value, or let yourself enjoy the vaporous modernity, or do both, either way stay out of trouble, and starve the thugs out because you defend your property with computer controlled drones and they are just stupid.

    Right? There’s no one to rescue anymore. No heroism.

    Just smarts. Just build an app.

    Wagner Reply:

    Moldbug and Land are Hitler’s suicide without Hitler’s holocaust. Carlyle and Nietz frown down upon you all from the Isles of the Blest.

    Wagner Reply:

    What do these eyes say to you?

    http://imgur.com/a/Ut2pq

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Looks like a guy that’s fed up with the idiots around him. Typical English depressive-melancholic.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Erik,

    I resonated with what you said, which was also quite funny btw.

    Hitler didn’t defend shit. All he wanted to do is raid museums. Revenge of the art major.

    Every destruction is an auto-destruction from weakness.

    Violent leftism is a huge problem.

    ‘Fight feudalism pretending to be capitalism.’

    How?

    “Ya, I know they were gangsters but you have to look at it comparatively. What were they against in the colonies? Warchiefs. Literal chiefs and tribal leaders.”

    Yes, yes and yes. The choice between capitalist oligarchy and warlords is a no-brainer. Unfortunately, some have no appreciation for the distinction.

    “Get thugs hooked on smartphones apps. Let the proletariat play Candy Crush — they have nothing better to do, so to speak.”

    These are the issues the Left should be dealing with” purely operational problems. What are we going to do about the end of so many more jobs, soon to be replaced through automation? There needs to be some vision.

    Wagner Reply:

    Rohme you resonate with everyone except Hitler. What’s your beef? Are you a liberal or not? Sit down n have a chat with Hitler one day, won’t you?

    “What are we going to do about the end of so many more jobs, soon to be replaced through automation? There needs to be some vision.”

    In libspeak translates to “Why do we need niggers at all if we have robots?”

    What follows from this, and what coward Vince Garton could not take, is, the weeding out. Sending certain gene pools down into the fires of hell. Rohme, every magazine, tv news anchor, sooty person on the street believes what you believe. You project the appearance of being one who dabbles in philosophy and then you repeat everything that everyone already says. How do you square that, buddy?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    No, that’s not what it translates to. It was a pragmatic question about something that will significantly affect the MIDDLE CLASS.

    Speaking of cowardice, did I miss the part where you were a decorated War General and you showed me all your honorifics? Why aren’t you weeding out people? What are you waiting for? You’re weeding out my comments. Which is fine, I enjoy our dialogues.

    I’m not a liberal but that doesn’t mean I think the fires of hell are better. Who would want to live in Germany 1938-1945, Soviet Union 1934-51 or Italy 1943-45? As Erik said, if that person is you, then go join a security company.

    He also made a great point about defense.

    How are you going to defend yourself, Wagner? What are you building? Not what-book-are-you-grabbing, but materially, how are you going to create something which cannot be weakened or destroyed?

    It’s a great question.

    Wagner Reply:

    “How are you going to defend yourself, Wagner?”

    With truth over bullshit, it’s pretty easy.

    So are you going to answer any of my questions, or–no?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    But truth won’t stop a firing squad. You just want to see if it can?

    Which questions didn’t I answer? Can you restate them more directly? Apologies, I thought I did answer them in a roundabout way.

    Wagner Reply:

    “You project the appearance of being one who dabbles in philosophy and then you repeat everything that everyone already says. How do you square that, buddy?”

    Start with this.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Gothca. Sorry for the lazy and slightly emotional reply prior. You must be giving me the Carlyle-eyes right about now.

    I enjoy philosophy but that doesn’t mean I’m beyond platitudes.

    If you’ve stacked up everything I ever wrote here, you’d find some of my own thoughts and a lot of bricolage. Some of the things you’ve said I could find anywhere, but other things you’ve said, a great deal of things you’ve said, appear to be wholly of your own synthesis. So forgive my prosopopeias, I didn’t invent the language.

    I find the ‘end of work’ a fascinating problem, but I guess your deeper question is, “You spout all this anti-humanist philosophy but you have trouble with a little genocide?”

    You might have no qualms with mass graves in the pursuit of truth, but, my thing is, the truth must’ve already got decided on in the pursuit of mass graves.

    Was it you who posted that, after the war, Heidegger said nothing had been decided? So many graves, so little poesis.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Sorry for the lazy and slightly emotional reply prior.”

    Likewise. At least we’re a step above the antifa/altright cavemen that bash each other over the head in the streets…

    If philosophy is used to bolster the status quo it ceases to be philosophy. That’s theology. If you can say what you believe to the ‘town hall’ without getting rotten vegetables thrown at you you’re not partaking of the spirit of philosophy. Again, I get fired, have extreme paranoia, etc. for some of these things I say whereas I can’t imagine a sensitive grandmother so much as batting an eyelash at just about anything you’ve ever said. It’s kind to be on the side of grandmothers, but keep the good name of philosophy out of your mouth if you’re going to do so. Some things in this world shouldn’t be cheapened.

    “You might have no qualms with mass graves in the pursuit of truth”

    Will you please answer the following question directly? What is it about a 90 IQ world without whites that is so appealing to you? I can’t expect an honest answer to this from the media, banksters, and quackademics but I sense you will be able to offer an apology for this that would mince fewer words.

    Wagner Reply:

    http://imgur.com/a/uWDj5

    “History, which is not at all over, holds seven thousand hells beyond your dreams or even mine. “Enormous Megatherions, ugly as were ever born of mud.” Somalia! Somalia! Somalia is coming to America. Slowly and certainly, this way or that way, Somalia is coming. Extrapolate the curve.” (MM)

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    Let’s not have a repeat of yesterday. That wasn’t a productive approach for dialogue. I won’t put on kid-gloves (a tactic I’m sure must infuriate you to no end)

    I do not the lack of openness to talk about what you want to talk about.

    First, from Gyegor Gysi (once Finance Minister of Germany)

    “Every year more native Germans die than there are born. This is very fortunate.”

    Second, from Wolfgang Schäuble (current Finance Minister of Germany) speaking on immigration

    “The foreclosure is indeed what would destroy us, which would degenerate us into inbreeding. For us, Muslims in Germany are an enrichment of our openness and diversity. Look at the third generation of the Turks, especially the women! This is an enormous innovative potential!”

    Ok.

    Now, I have to ask, why is it that, if Europe is to survive, it must have openness and diversity? Why is it the EU is trying to create what Europeans think they already have, a Volksgemeinschaft?

    The EU has equated the death of Europe with the death of the EU itself.

    What is threatening their notion survival?

    Decentralization of the economic and state structures.

    What would create such possibility for decentralization?

    The state’s slide into parochial, rural, apolitical or decentralized ‘self-governing’ structures

    The great enemy of the state, are not the people, per se, but its own decentralization or fragmentation!

    Now to your question: “What is it about a 90 IQ world without whites that is so appealing to you?”

    I resent the implication I would even find a world without whites an appealing proposition, but your sentence illuminates our the distances, politically, wonderfully.

    “what is it about a world without non-elite whites” would have been easier on my digestion..

    You forget that elite whites will exist. You forget that they don’t care who washes their car or who makes up the crew on their yacht. You forget that an Ivy-league school might as well be on a Martian colony than on Earth in respect to the everyday lives of ordinary people.

    You think I ‘live a radically different life from you’. Imagine how different their lives are from ours and see that this difference isn’t based on abstraction, or ‘in our ideas’ (as Max Stirner thought) but is socially and materially composed. Suddenly, you and I are not that different. And we just think we are.

    Germany’s Finance Minister, Schäuble, also says in the interview, “Africa will be our problem. We have to accept this task. In the end, the Middle East has kept us from Africa.. and we will have to pay more for their development in sub-Saharan Africa.”

    Do you realize what he is saying? White man’s burden IS capitalism. He’s not saying Africa: site of our new humanitarian adventures. He’s saying Africa: this is where we can accumulate.

    Post-script, I take no pleasure in you fearing for your life. If liberal scum started coming for your life, I would never collaborate with them. I would hide you in the basement, just like many brave Germans who, under risk of death, saved their fellow Jews.

    Wagner Reply:

    “I take no pleasure in you fearing for your life. If liberal scum started coming for your life, I would never collaborate with them. I would hide you in the basement, just like many brave Germans who, under risk of death, saved their fellow Jews.”

    It’s conspicuous that you would even have to clarify that. I appreciate it though, and if you let me squat I’d babysit your kids while you’re away for free – I will be paid sheerly in being able to tell them edifying stories. Every household needs quasi-nazi diversity!

    “[Schäuble] said he wants to see more investment in the Middle East and Africa in order to combat the flow of migrants who come to Europe for better economic prospects. “One thing is quite clear for the future: we must invest more in Iraq, Syria, Libya and then pay for more development in sub-Saharan Africa. Then maybe we will finally make a few openings in the market,” he said.”

    What? Could you be so kind as to explain how you get “capitalism” out of that? What if we combated the flow of migrants by… closing the borders? What do you think he means by openings in the market? Seems like a complete pretense to distract from humanitarian-adventuring as you call it. “Since we’re accumulating too many lowiq irresponsibles we must send (de-accumulate) money to them instead, that way the market will open up, mysteriously.” “One thing is quite clear for the future”.

    “You forget that elite whites will exist. You forget that they don’t care who washes their car or who makes up the crew on their yacht.”

    Will exist, for how long? Once the brown demographic reaches 51%?

    I has disappoint in you because you seem like a rational and honest person but then I explicitly request you explicitly answer certain questions I’ve asked that you pretend aren’t there(?) and you respond with the same non-responding. It’s just impolite is all. Not like my occasional malicious outbursts are polite either but you have to see those as at least in part a symptom of being closed-off in a supposedly open society.

    Leftists basically want to lobotomize the planet and I’m not seeing many signs from you that that wouldn’t be an altogether sinister thing. If I had a Rohme-puppet on my left hand I’d flap its mouth to confess “YES WE WANT TO LOBOTOMIZE THE PLANET, IN ORDER TO NEUTRALIZE FEELINGS OF INFERIORITY AMONG THE POC”.

    Wagner Reply:

    Derped on the double-negative there (I’m lowiq).

    P. S.

    Land if you need a babysitter during those long nights initiating your chink friends into Bertiaux’s 11th plateau you know who to ask!

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    What questions haven’t I explicitly answered? You’re being lazy and emotional and not reading between the lines what I’m writing. I’m going to spoon-fed you and if you still think I haven’t answered your questions, please write out your questions and put the ideal answer you’d like to hear beside each, so at least I can get a good idea of how far off I am.

    How I answered “What is it about a 90 IQ world without whites that is so appealing to you?”

    The obvious answer is nothing. Maybe that’s all you wanted to hear. Nothing is appealing about it.

    But I wanted to go a different route, so I said –

    Let’s accept that ‘white people being phased out’.

    I put two quotes from Finance Ministers on the subject of ‘openness and diversity’ (the euphemism for this phasing out)

    I asked – Why is this happening?

    What’s important are the why’s. We should debate why’s not whether’s. So I want to give my answer on why because that is where our difference lies.

    I said, “Why is it that, if Europe is to survive, it must have openness and diversity?” (this is how the liberal elites are presenting the impeachable correctness of their phasing out campaign)

    But I ask another question – What is their (the liberal elite’s) idea of Europe’s survival?

    I answer – It is the survival of the EU.

    I ask another question – What is threatening the survival of the EU?

    I answer -Decentralization of the economic and state structures.

    Pay attention, because it’s all gonna come back around.

    I ask another question – What would create such possibility for decentralization?

    I answer – The state’s slide into parochial, rural, apolitical or decentralized ‘self-governing’ structures.

    I should have asked this next question, but I didn’t, I left it implicit, my apologies; what would cause the state’s slide into parochial, rural, apolitical or decentralized ‘self-governing’ structures?

    The answer – Social cohesion.

    Social cohesion is a threat to the survival of the EU, which explains the urgency for ‘openness and diversity’. The elites are know for their perversity!

    Native European populations are being phased out because they, alone, as a mass, are a threat to the centralization of the EU. The EU is destroying Europe because, to them, Europe is not Europe, it’s the EU.

    I pray to God you see the reasonableness in what I’m saying.

    Another question – To whom is the survival of the EU important?

    It is important to the elites who require centralized economic and state structures to eat up everything they can. “In the end, the Middle East has kept us from Africa.. ” What happened to the Middle East, Wagner?

    “he wants to see more investment in the Middle East and Africa in order to combat the flow of migrants who come to Europe for better economic prospects.

    He doesn’t want to stop the flow of migrants! The migrants are helping prevent social cohesion.

    He wants to invest, meaning get German capital into every nook and cranny – if they gotta take in a diaspora to do it, that’s ok, they can keep printing money and running welfare, as long as they’re net-positive on Third World – is the extent of his thinking.

    “Will exist, for how long? Once the brown demographic reaches 51%?”

    They are not worried about that. They can always break it down further: men against woman, child against parent, xer against xim, cyborg against lizard man, because the levels of abstraction concerning human identity near the infinite.

    You can have polyethnic social cohension, but you can’t have it when the political institutions are enforcing polyethnicity for the purposes of social discohesion. It’s absolute insanity.

    “Leftists basically want to lobotomize the planet and I’m not seeing many signs from you that that wouldn’t be an altogether sinister thing. If I had a Rohme-puppet on my left hand I’d flap its mouth to confess “YES WE WANT TO LOBOTOMIZE THE PLANET, IN ORDER TO NEUTRALIZE FEELINGS OF INFERIORITY AMONG THE POC”.”

    The multiculturalist liberal party, evil incarnate cloaked as Disney mascots, rainbow coalitions lock-step marching into the fires of hell, idiots, beautiful souls that want the world to look like it does in their head, trade in inferior feelings.

    You call them leftists, but they’re not my left. My left’s core insight: Marx’s formulation of the money-circuit M-C-M1. Their core insight: white privilege. Do you understand the fucking difference between those two things? It’s the difference between J.K. Rowling and Proust. Maybe you don’t understand that difference but I think you do. I hope you do.

    The problem with righties is you finally get a little materialism in your bloodstream, “global capital” is screwing us over!”, and then you lapse back into idealism, “there’s no such thing as equality!”

    No shit there’s no such thing as equality, there’s global capitalism. Like Pavlov’s dog, you take liberal bait, you become the monsters of the monster role they’ve preordained for you. Land says “this is good for fragmentation!” But its a means to an ends. You’re only a circuit to help fragment the state. You have no worth outside of that. To him, you’re idiots.

    For Somali’s is rational for them to want to come here. For our elites, it’s not. Stop focusing on Somalis, start focusing on elites.

    Let me guess, TLDR; “answer my question, bro!”

    Wagner Reply:

    “How I answered “What is it about a 90 IQ world without whites that is so appealing to you?”

    The obvious answer is nothing. Maybe that’s all you wanted to hear. Nothing is appealing about it.”

    Oh. I didn’t know that was your position. From what you’ve said the last few months “you coulda fooled me” as they say. Obvs token-Artxell has much more of an insane position than you but do you see why I’d put you guys in the same camp? Arty ain’t no “jk” Rowling leftist either, the left is variegated into vulgar shitleft, refined shitlift, vulgar nonshitleft and refined nonshitleft. Ditto for rightism.

    “You call them leftists, but they’re not my left. My left’s core insight: Marx’s formulation of the money-circuit M-C-M1. Their core insight: white privilege. Do you understand the fucking difference between those two things?”

    No, I’m very glad you ask, because I’m curious. Do tell! The internet is nice because monkeys get to sort things out on here when otherwise they’d get into physical (and physicalverbal) altercations and cease to pursue the truth together.

    “Let’s accept that ‘white people being phased out’.

    I put two quotes from Finance Ministers on the subject of ‘openness and diversity’ (the euphemism for this phasing out)”

    Heh, imagine Artxell articulating that truth, he who seeks to portray euphemism as truth at all costs. Like I’ve hinted before, there are certain coalitions of the left AND the right that are more similar than their own political families in their pursuit of truth and mockery of lies. The future elite should be composed of truth-seeking rightists and leftists, *that* is the mark of an aristocracy, from my humble trans-prole POV.

    The EU is what we might call “falsehood-seeking” and is bereft of Right-temperance of either shitright or nonshitright varieties, and therefore is doubly misguided. I guess I’ll share my conspiracy theory on them if you still want to listen to my paranoiac bs.. The EU seeks to… how shall I say this… they want to bring about Mochaworld and then be absorbed themselves into it “after a job well done”. This is the psychology of the last man priest/ess. They see themselves *only* as an elitist means of bringing about equality, and they want themselves dead ASAP as soon as the other ‘elitists’ go x-eyed-tongue-out, it’s just they have a JOB to do first! Your interpretation that all they care about is power doesn’t surprise me based on the cynical gist of other things you’ve said (which I concede *would* probably make a grandmother widen her eyes and mouth [don’t get any freudian ideas, I know ALL leftists are anti-ageists] in moral repulsion*).

    You’re right, cohesion, decentralization is the monkeywrench in their plot, hence MM’s patchwork (which is imo more of a mindfuck than it is practical advice). Is there cohesion without nationalism, without ethnonationalism, without stark gender and worker roles? I don’t think there is; it’s either you’re a scumbag-rightist like me or you’re on the side of the EU elites.

    *To wax meta-praxisly:

    “Do not be proud of the fact that your grandmother was shocked at something which you are accustomed to seeing or hearing without being shocked… It may mean that your grandmother was an extremely lively and vital animal; and that you are a paralytic.” (G.K. Chesterton, “On Dialect and Decency”)

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagnertarianism,

    Vulgar nonshit would be where I’d like to land, if I had any aim.

    M-C-M1 is the formula for surplus value.

    From agriculture, we got surplus. Think of surplus crop as original surplus. As surplus, it was never enough to suspend production indefinitely, it was only enough to keep production going indefinitely.

    Marx explains how money comes to symbolize surplus. M-C-M1 = selling for more what they’ve bought for less.

    What you, consumer, are buying is ‘surplus’. What it would cost for you to produce is less than surplus. (If you say, “It costs less to purchase plane tickets than to produce a plane!” you’re overthinking it. You don’t buy the plane when you buy plane tickets.)

    Now money isn’t surplus value, it merely represents it as quantitative difference in the exchange.

    Moreover, surplus is a paltry prize, we could even say that surplus is a failure, a necessarily failure, which always engenders ‘the next attempt’ to actually capture ‘the real thing’. This goes on perpetually. Profit is never at rest as profit-realized, but eternally-on-the-way profit-being-realized.

    Capitalism is disappointment and ingratitude, it’s the gambler whose stomach turns at the table while overlooking his winnings thinking, “But.. I can go bigger than this!”

    Whatever gets ‘returned’ is shit used for creating future income which will be shit once more used for creating future income.. ad infinitum.. such is the system of manure-composting; money circulation in the M-C-M1.

    We could consider it human nature to accumulate, if we were to think in such terms that, for instance, say a roadside seller who successfully dupes a customer unaware of the correct pricing for his wares, causes him to overpay. Would the seller not simply feel overjoyed, but also, by some measure, guilty?

    “I could have charged him more!” laments our seller, “I could have made that much more!” And furthering his sorrows, he groans on, “If only I could replay the scenario, I could get the real amount, the total amount, that idiot would be willing to pay me!”

    THAT emotion – that physio-psychological reaction – is the DNA of capital.

    Surplus is not enough.
    But surplus is all you’ve got.
    Not enough is all you’ve got.

    Of course, surplus has not always been in the service of capitalists! What industriousness they’ve achieved with it, once prying it out of the hands of wasteful autocrats!

    Lousy surplus, the fifth physical force, the engine of our blue planet.

    Primo Chesterton quote btw. How’s your grandma?

    Wagner Reply:

    My grandma is sweet. Like many grandmas, I’d imagine, cold honesty causes her distress, but I have no illusions that maternal Care is a necessity in society; grandmas have their place, parrhesiasts have their place.

    Interesting points about M-C-M1, never heard that codeword before. I’m struggling though to draw a connection between what you say about surplus and what is normally associated with the left, i.e. opening the borders to the turd world, pretending women are as rational as men, pretending proles want to do anything but genuflect to creaturely baseness, etc. Would you go as far as to say that these goals do not belong to leftism proper?

    And yeah I’m divided within myself about exploitation. It just seems impractical for a few dudes to have 8 digits of money that just sits in a bank account when it could be used for the overman, or speaking less scifi, education of the masses. I do believe the rabble can be improved by immersion in the Classics, fine arts, science, etc. Hypercapitalists just seem like confused monkeys to me, or like thoughtless squirrels that obsessively bury more acorns than they need to.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    I am glad to hear she is alive and kicking and sugary-sweet. Grandma’s are wondrous beings. I should call my grandma. It could add some much needed improvement upon my character.

    “Is there cohesion without nationalism..”

    Ottoman Empire. Byzantine Empire. Roman Empire.. rightist, authoritarian structures with cohesive polyethnic populations.

    You can have polyethnic cohesion. You can’t have polyethnic cohesion when political institutions are using ethnic strife to strengthen the central state structure. There’s just no way around it.

    “either you’re a scumbag-rightist like me or you’re on the side of the EU elites”

    This is a false choice or, rather, this is the choice the EU elites have given you. “Yes, please! Become Nazis! That’ll make our jobs so much easier – making sure you’re universally loathed!” I mean, do you take the bait much?

    Only when you become (historical zombies) do they feel confident enough to make statements like, “Every year more native Germans die than there are born. This is very fortunate.”

    Do you not see this as being lured into a trap?

    “I’m struggling though to draw a connection between what you say about surplus and what is normally associated with the left ,.. Would you go as far as to say that these goals do not belong to leftism proper?”

    It’s because the left is a monolith of quackery to you. I get it, I say I’m a leftist, you assume I’m a progressive, corporate-fascist.

    Progressives are Social-Democrats. They embody all forms of contradiction, from imperializing weak states to managing the humanitarian fallout. Arsonists doubling as firemen.

    They vaguely understand surplus, so much as being in charge of the Maternal Care Unit, they understand the need to fuck with the surplus a little. The Redistributionists. Magicians. Wand-wavers. Rabbit-out-of-a-hat-pullers. “Would you like some surplus?”

    Even Land, now a right-puppet championing ‘Say’s Law’, knows surplus is res ipsa loquitur. How do you accelerate without the internal combustion? His lips are sealed. He’s such a deviant. Both you and I are annoyed with him. LOL.

    “I’m divided within myself about exploitation.”

    Divided in the sense that it doesn’t exist, or that it does exist and whether it’s good or bad?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    I’ve been watching ‘Narcos’ on netflix (the first season was good, the other two seasons, not so good) and there were scenes where Pablo Escobar would hand out money in a neighborhood one minute, and be blowing up the neighborhood the next. Finally, I said to myself, “Oh, I get it. Pablo is a progressive.”

    Wagner Reply:

    “I’m a progressive, corporate-fascist.”

    I never thought of it that way but it fits. Makes me wonder if Moldbug’s ideal of patchwork/neocameralism is just an alien’s way of describing what is already happening right under our noses. Some noses are longer than others!

    “Divided in the sense that it doesn’t exist, or that it does exist and whether it’s good or bad?”

    Exploitation is defined in the hivemind as =2bad but this is a slave’s vantage-point; see: Rand lol it’s very common among leftists I’ve met to harbor spite toward her. But she’s a *Jewish* *woman*, how could they?? Very insensitive. I think they need a good diversity seminar if you ask me.

    My reservation about exploitation is that many of the exploiters are miserable little ants that waste the surplus on frivolities.

    “Both you and I are annoyed with him. LOL.”

    Yeah well when he wastes his surplus intellect defending the rank-ordering of liberty>virtue like every other moron in our glorious postmodern age it’s hard not to get annoyed with him.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    “It just seems impractical for a few dudes to have 8 digits of money that just sits in a bank account when it could be used for the overman, or speaking less scifi, education of the masses.”

    So what is your assessment of someone like Julius Rosenwald?

    “My reservation about exploitation is that many of the exploiters are miserable little ants that waste the surplus on frivolities.”

    But the surplus is not enough. That’s the genius of it. How can you waste what is not enough? You have to always exploit further and extract more efficiently. Rand’s caricature, the objectivist-capitalist, cannot be bothered by anything but his own self-interest, narrowed defined as a desire to accumulate. THAT is liberty>virtue.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    Allow me a question not pertinent to our discussion. Do you ever get depressed in our ‘glorious postmodern age’? If so, how do you talk or pull (or any action verb) yourself out of it?

    Wagner Reply:

    I haven’t felt depression for a few years. Once you believe in a Higher Power such things become silly. Or I guess, if you prefer it phrased in ontolog-ese, the nature of Being is Goodness, or in normier lingo, life is good, brah lol. Negative things I feel, some I’ve said before, are alienation, paranoia, loneliness, rage, occasional anxiety, which are normally abated by remembrance of amor fati slash the Godhead’s benevolence, however you want to say it. Less metaphysically, I’m sitting here now nibbling on imported Irish cheese off the block while watching Andromeda Strain and that’s keeping me afloat. If I feel down I reflect on how N told me to expect being gutter-garbage if I intend to tell teh truth, and if I became a liar I’d have to blow my brains out so this is the superior alternative (for now).

    “what is your assessment of someone like Julius Rosenwald?”

    Buddy, you’re making me beat a dead god with some of these questions! Resources should be squandered to transmute humans into posthumans, not subhumans into humans. Doesn’t leftism ever seem to you like a glorified “save the whales” campaign? It’s just a waste, quit caring about the animals that populate this earth, they are fine being animals. Do you think an abbo gives half a fuck about learning algebra?

    And again, I guess you forgot to answer my question – the one about “does this belong to leftism proper”. How does MCM relate to the turd world, Equalism, etc.?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    “I haven’t felt depression for a few years. Once you believe in a Higher Power such things become silly.”

    I thought so. I asked because I thought your solution for yourself might mirror your prescription for society. And it turns out I’m right.

    Much like you, society knows “it’ll be gutter-garbage if it intends to tell the truth”.. and is currently in between “blowing its brains out from lies” and escaping into “cheese-block eating, schlock scifi viewing, carnivalism. Wags, baby, we are society. It transcends us only in weight, crushing us into its totality.

    I’ve been reading about child prodigies (forced, not innate – though the distinction is a fascinating one) mental overmen and overwomen who often slink into depression, off themselves, and even shirk their brilliance and become prostitutes, for example, not saying some in that profession are not without their brilliance!

    Tell them “life is good, brah” – those unfortunate 208 iq-ers. They have literal Higher Power – cognitive, processual – we just our fucking inclinations.

    “Buddy, you’re making me beat a dead god..”

    Gods need to be beat religiously to stay dead.

    You said billionaire’s massive resources should be used toward the “education of the masses” I brought you Julius Rosenwald. I’m just slapping you with your own hand.

    “And again, I guess you forgot to answer my question – the one about “does this belong to leftism proper”.

    Sorry! Communism has a very tenuous relationship with liberalism. Liberalism wants a revolution without revolution. ‘Equalism’ and whatever else ruffles your feathers are paper tigers of this fugazi revolution. It’s something that interests me, intellectually, nor something I would enjoy debating ‘even just fucking around’ It certainly works well as a religious belief or ‘Higher Power’ as you put it.

    Is everybody equal? No.
    Can everybody be equal? No.
    Why can’t everybody be equal? ..

    This could be the subject of a debate. As I’ve stated before, WHY’s, not WHETHER’S, are the substance of difference.

    Bud.

    Wagner Reply:

    “You said billionaire’s massive resources should be used toward the “education of the masses” I brought you Julius Rosenwald. I’m just slapping you with your own hand.”

    You betray your implicit equalism here, as you have elsewhere so many times before. The white masses have more dignity than the brown, black, and yellow masses. It’s robots vs. semi-conscious robots.

    WHY they’re unequal? I’ll tell you. Niggers are lazy.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    “You betray your implicit equalism here”

    This is our parallax.

    Equalism is ideology baked into the hierarchical cake. It’s responsible for the ‘banding together of all peoples!’ in UNEQUAL society. It’s bad faith, false consciousness.

    Another way the West can do unequal society is authoritarianism (of which I can say the bad faith lie in the idea authority rests on anything other than power)

    You believe in different types of power: power with a substance and power that rules blindly without substance.

    Power’s substance is it holds on to itself. How? It used yesterday, God, today, liberty, tomorrow, maybe a new Master (but not necessarily what you would desire) …

    Today, your enemy is liberty itself and you’re fighting against liberty on behalf of your own liberty. This is how power survives. It never cancels itself.

    W: I believe in authority as well as the right of the superior to rule over the inferior!
    R: You mean like what we have now?
    W: No. Not them. They are not superiors.
    R: So you mean other superiors who, as of now, hold no authority?
    W: Yes.
    R: So you believe in the transition of authority.
    W: Yes.
    R: And these superiors, who would be choosing them?
    W: I would.
    R: So you believe in choosing the superiors who will make up the authority.
    W: Yes.
    R: So, democracy?
    W: Derr….

    Welcome to the left, right-wing scumbag!

    Wagner Reply:

    My core belief is that humanity should submit to philosopher-kings. If those philosopher-kings want to gulag me, which honestly I wouldn’t blame them for, then I’ll walk with a grin on my face into the camp. But you’re right that to philosophize at all, even about why we should submit to philosopher-kings, partakes of the democratic spirit – democraticness is always-already for us (in our glorious postSOCRATIC times). How else would you propose we escape? Not like you wish to escape – you seem pretty content being a crypto-rightist leftist yourself. After all, everyone agrees with you, it must be a nice world to live in; it would take a lot to want to give it up. I’ve told you that, following your logic to its limits, the world will be 80 iq and not to mention monkey-ugly and you have remained steadfast in your premises. If I am a leftist democrat for wanting the world to be smart and beautiful, call me a leftist democrat. I think you’re just pulling a Zizekian turn-things-upsidedown obfuscation, which has its merits (it’s fun) but, again, if you follow your logic to its limits we’re going to have a dumb, nightmare world on our hands. Do you want that? (This is one of those questions you’ve beaten around the bush on particularly).

    Might is Right doesn’t real. If you say those in power are superior simply because they are in power you are presupposing that corruption is not possible, and I doubt that’s a limb you want to venture down (*snap*).

    “the idea authority rests on anything other than power”

    I don’t know whether I should tell you you need to see a psychoanalyst or stop seeing a psychoanalyst. There are higher, finer things than power. You think I’d even be discussing things with you if I thought you were moved by power and nothing besides? Humans, especially Euros, look for truth and love in an authority figure. I don’t see very much of either of those in our elites. And I don’t think you do either… yet you side with them. Why is that?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wagner,

    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    The real, the symbolic, and the imaginary.

    What if philosopher-kings don’t want to vaporize you in a supercollider after all?

    What if they told you, instead, to ‘Just be happy!’?

    Then you’d walk into the supercollider yourself, shut the door and tell them, “Hit it! I don’t want to be here anymore.”

    Why? Because you’re your own philosopher-king.

    What did the philosopher-kings of, or the kings-that-philosophized in, the American Revolution, think?

    From the inimitable John Adams –

    “Statesmen my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand….”

    A meditation on the freedom not to have freedom, like the Buddhist’s desire not to have desire.

    Freedom must be the exercise of principles in accordance with a religion and morality promoting Liberty! Otherwise, it is groundless. Remove the obstacle to freedom – by having total freedom – and you remove liberty itself. Remove the obstacle of liberty and you have freedom! Adams is constructing a paranoiac machine.

    At no point must liberty be static, since tyrannies abound in our own desire to have freedom in the form of tyranny! Hahahaha.

    And if you follow this logic through till the end, which the US has, you get biopower, the policing of, or the being eternally diligent against, the self.

    Interesting, eh?

    Adams goes even further and echoes your defense against “the rank-ordering of liberty>virtue”.

    “The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a greater Measure, than they have it now, They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty.—They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies.”

    You see everything you desire, Wagner, I can accuse your enemies of already having done.

    From C.S. Lewis

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

    What we got was not only the robber barons, but both the robber barons and also the moral busybodies!

    This combination of moral sham and immoral society is, partly, the origin of the guilt ‘of which I speak’, Wagner. And it compels me to attack romantic filth like this, of which I cannot abide –

    “Humans, especially Euros, look for truth and love in an authority figure.”

    West destroyed the patriarchy.

    Algernon Sidney, in his polemic against Filmer, said, “What is it with this excessive identification with the King? What about actual fathers! Fuck the divine right of kings, what about the real patriarchy of fathers who are under the constant threat of some fat fuck on a throne?”

    The West is destruction, so the West being in destruction is the West just being itself. Understand it. Live with it.

    Power has no object, no center, it is pure driving force. There isn’t some grand reason for power having power, only a best excusal for it. And then we all hasten to come up with our own grand little narratives!

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    – Karl Rove, a philosopher-king.

    So: how do we escape? How would we escape a black hole? How do you escape the black hole that is yourself? LOL. That is holding you together? Irish cheese and Andromeda Strain?

    We can all conflict with each other, we will still be swirling around a negative center of power.

    “You think I’d even be discussing things with you if I thought you were moved by power and nothing besides?”

    Unfortunately, as we speak we reinforce codified rules, proscriptions, laws, judgements on each other. Power speaks.

    “I don’t know whether I should tell you you need to see a psychoanalyst or stop seeing a psychoanalyst.”

    LOL. Haven’t seen one. Should I go or not go?

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Now to answer your question, because I know that’s coming, I feel the need to specify that, while I believe polyethnicity is being used to combat decentralization pressures and a non-white world is never desirable – why should it be? – I don’t partake in your delirium of some force conspiring to rid the world of all white people, though it is certainly a fantastical, panoramic vision.

    Immigrants are filling the spaces allotted them in the West’s one page playbook titled, ‘Economy’. Austrians, Germans, Irish, Italians, Norwegians, Swedes, Brits, et al. had no reason to emigrate in the hundreds of thousands following the post-war booms of their own countries (miracle-periods) A hundred thousand Swedes leaving Sweden – why? However, a hundred thousand Hondurans.. that would make perfect sense, wouldn’t it? The American Labor Market needs fresh meat, not concerto competition finalists.

    Middle class demographics are changing. But the upper classes? Phhhfffppptttt. We will have extraordinarily smart and beautiful white people tucked away in their safe enclaves as long as this blue planet can support it. And this smart and sinister group of beautiful white people wonder, when not raising money for Brahmin-related causes, perhaps in a solemn moment alone on their beach-front patios: what to do with this native declining middle class? “I’m mean, they don’t want UBI? Don’t they know we’re not laissez-faire but we’re not communism, we’re the Third Way, bay-bay. Did they really expect, after the post-war boom, there not to be a post-war bust?”

    I would like you to explain the dysgenic trends of these native populations and how you plan to reverse them, instead of talking about the IQs of people with straw roofs, which seems to be your fixation. You should know I don’t care what you think about race and I’m not trying to inculcate you any which way. With me, you so enjoy, eyes closed, yelling blasphemies in a church, you forget to see you’re in an open field.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Also, I wouldn’t say “everyone agrees with me”. My worldview is incredibly nihilist and I expect most people would eat a shotgun shell before coming to my conclusions.

    What I think is certainly not what society tacitly acknowledges. So I resent you saying that, Wags.

    Wagner Reply:

    I should have taken your advice about Andromeda Strain. Bad movie, couldn’t even get halfway through. What are some scifis you’d recommend? I only saw the Terminator series for the first time a few days ago; it makes me think Yudkowskybot, Landpuppet, et al aren’t as creative as I thought – you guys are working with patterns of thought that mass-audiences absorbed in the freakin 80s? lol You think you’re being surpassed now, by the time I’M 55 you’re going to be “byebye” (unless you wizen up).

    “What I think is certainly not what society tacitly acknowledges”

    If you think I’m going to apologize you’re going to be waiting a long time, probably forever. Though, the thought occurred to me, I consider you Rohme more of my buddy than most rightists and I’d feel more comfortable taking a high-dose psychedelic with you to sort out some of our “differences” than one of them… Probably because, atomization. I don’t like hanging out with people who agree with me on everything. I might Charlie Manson your ass though so I’d watch out if I were you. *when you’re in a suggestible state I brainwash you to assassinate Soros* e.g.

    “compels me to attack romantic filth like this, of which I cannot abide –

    “Humans, especially Euros, look for truth and love in an authority figure.””

    If you call love and truth filth all I can tell you is you have some soul-searching to do. Power is there but it is subservient to higher things. Eyeronicaly, N thought it was edgy to posit power as the most powerful (lulz) and I concede that was likely a symptomatic response to the suppression – across millennia (i.e. since Thrasymachus’s public spanking by Socrates) – of the truth of power, but there’s a reason the idea that power>truth/love was suppressed in the first place – it’s because it wasn’t true. Just because power was left out of the equation for so long doesn’t mean it’s at the top of the hierarchy, this is a false dichotomy. Power is definitely *there* but it’s not as important as most postmoderns believe. And you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot for believing that. Are you telling me that you will look your best man in the face at your wedding and say “brah you’re here because Power fuck you” and then when you put the ring on your wife’s finger you’ll say “fuck you bitch Power uber alles I’m here for power, you’re here for power, fuck love, fuck truth, fuck it all”? Because that seems like your implicit attitude and it’s obviously absurd.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    I’d recommend Fassbinder’s ‘World on a Wire’. Plus, it’ll give you a chance to practice your German!

    LMAO. Make sure you brainwash me good, so I’ll have a shot at exculpation.. on second thought.. you’d probably program me for a murder-suicide, never mind, we are never taking drugs together!!

    “If you call love and truth filth all I can tell you is you have some soul-searching to do.”

    I don’t think of the human-affective world as filth – *most days* – .. okay, you’re right I do.. but authority figures aren’t there for love or truth, they’re there for authority (if they are to function at all)

    A father’s stern demand – “You don’t have to love me but you will respect me.” about sums it up. I’d rearrange the statement, “The only love we have to exchange is respect.”

    Love is transferential self-love anyway. Truth.. let’s not even get into that.. But I am no destratification machine.

    You are right, I’m hugging my best man and I’m cherishing each symbolic moment of the ritualized wedding (exchanging vows, lifting her veil, etc.) as if it were filled with sacred import. Totally.

    Wagner Reply:

    “A father’s stern demand – “You don’t have to love me but you will respect me.” about sums it up.”

    You don’t think “the father” has love behind his demands for respect? I don’t think white males are innocent, by any means, but the idea they should be phased out is a joke. As much as Nazis are ‘called out’ as Nazis, Commies should be called out as Commies in similar haste. These people want to bury the ones who Invented most of the Stuff. What is up with that? Really, Rohme, I am genuinely curious, you’re a quasi-leftist so you must have a decent answer to this conundrum. ‘Breed out most of the people whose genes have done things that deserve respect’ is the clarion-call of the Left. That is a morbid geopolitical strategy that could only be borne from ressentiment. “These dumbapes cryinside becuz ppl are better than them” is excessive feminine non-logic taken to its T, utterly pathetic and gulag-worthy.

    Wagner Reply:

    Polite-Liberal-Land-Who-Lets-His-Blog-Be-Overtaken-By-Assholes is the case-in-point.

    “Multi-channel clamor recently, consisting of people telling me”

    Land: “I’m not a democrat I swear plz no plz PLZ PLZ NO don’t accuse me of non-democracy”

    FUCK YOU LAND

    You’re a fucking pansy. Grow up.

    Wagner Reply:

    “But my twitter followers who literally like to suck cock are saying these guys are bad meanie stupidheads are telling me you’re idiots I guess it’s time for fumigation” Let’s save civilization by listening to them, good idea, you fucking idiot.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Wags,

    From what I’ve read and my leanings, the father is never in a position to love the son for anything but the son’s recognition of him as the father.

    How else might the father like his loving son to recognize him? As a mother? As a brother?

    The Oedipal structure is just that: structural.. appellative.

    Lest the son forget who the son is, or who his mother is, or who his father is.

    Unless you equate erotogenous infantile fluxes with love (not a bad idea!) then affection proper – “Thanks Dad for teaching me how to throw that spiral! Thanks Mom for making the top layer of mac’n’cheese crunchy!” – would come after the structure.

    I imagine you might take interest in the psychoanalytic reworking of the Oedipal myth. It actually goes a long way toward explaining the actual existence of patriarchy.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    “I am genuinely curious, you’re a quasi-leftist so you must have a decent answer to this conundrum. ‘Breed out most of the people whose genes have done things that deserve respect’ is the clarion-call of the Left. That is a morbid geopolitical strategy that could only be borne from ressentiment. “These dumbapes cryinside becuz ppl are better than them” is excessive feminine non-logic taken to its T, utterly pathetic and gulag-worthy.”

    A fertility rate imbalance due to cultural dissimilarities of foreign born populations among native populations of ‘industrialized nations’, or in plain-speak, “there simply not being enough white people reproducing themselves.” is the crux of your problem. Meanwhile, the supply for labor increases, absolutely, as a form of price control, as an absolute imperative. Again, following the miracle-periods of Europe, where were ‘the tired, the poor, the huddled masses’ going to originate?

    This is the birth of multiculturalism, it’s not some grand scheme hatched from white guilt, it’s “let’s give up the pretense of assimilation, since we’re running a business here”.

    USG doesn’t care about culture. That what multiculturalism means, it means, ‘I don’t care about culture.” Culture was thrown to the wolves in the pseudo-demos. “We don’t care about culture, we just care about the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.” should be the slogan of the centrist Left.

    The radicalized, dreadlocked, crust-punked, anarcho-environmental, tri-gender, street performers of ‘the Left’ are just trying to hashtag the meme-revolution into existence while ‘living in shit so long as they can enjoy it’ in a depoliticized field of ‘culture’, early programming for their soylent-green/virtual reality-battery pod future that they’re all destined for. The irony is the ‘neo-fascists’ belong with them, they are all one big happy family.

    ‘BRAH MUH WHITE PEOPLE, THEY MADE FINNEGAN”S WAKE!” is sad, melancholic, fetishist, delirious. YUH WHITE PEOPLE spend more on strip clubs per year than theatre, opera, ballet, and classical music combined. YUH WHITE PEOPLE don’t give a tinker’s damn about Finnegan’s Wake. I know because, while I’m reading Finnegan’s wake, I can see from my window out to the park, YUH WHITE PEOPLE doing yoga, trying to escape their whiteness in a playful immersion of cultural commoditiization, or else on their way to da strip club.

    A paper shredder doesn’t discriminate paper. This is Land’s genius. We’re all confetti and we don’t like it. That’s why we’re all right-wingers from the perspective of the Ultima Left.

    Wagner Reply:

    I’m beginning to see why Land favors exit over voice, we keep going around in circles. Muh white people suck but yuh 2nd world (which is a euphemism for 2nd rate) people suck worse. Check and mate.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Race is just another word for breed.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    @Pseudo-chrysostom pardon my French, but it got complicated rather quiclky. Putting humans into animal category unfair for dogs, agree. Creating subcategory in animals for dogs, while already having one subcategory in humans, not looking good either. What is better place to visit for few days Macau or HK. Glad to see yall alive.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @Pseudo-chrysostom
    arty if you want to get specific about something besides your estimation of me then I might be able to reply. I suppose you’re trying to tell us you have your standards and we have ours, so yes that’s our point as well and we would like to enforce our standards and you go enforce yours. And that yours are pretty liberal and vague and not rally confident enough to do much discerning past conservatives evil. Elsewhere on this blog wag and rhome are trying to have a conversation about this very topic which i have commented on as they went along.Feel free to chime in with your cultural marxism Rhome could use the help

    since Im feeling magnanimous towards cow worshipping street shitters today Ill tell you a little story that will warm the cockles of your simian heart.

    Back in the 60s when i was a child growing up in the east village some hippies got ambitious probably more like commie jews disguised as hippies but i digress. In any case they must have brought very tall ladders and stencils for it was quite professional looking and so high up it lasted more than a decade.Here it what it said that i once thought was clever.

    REPORTER: Mt Gandhi what do you think of Western Civilization?

    GANDHIi: I think it would be a good idea.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Current developments in AI is really fascinating, most of the discussion here for last two year as well as the initial approach of MB in Ai terms can be described as a classification of multi layered perceptions. That explains historicism, traditionalism, physics, use of meta connections etc. AI nowadays can pass this initial stage in few days by using Multilayer Perceptron (MLP). If there are no doubts that AI is going to run this planet, the question then who is going to run AI.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Musk says “there is only one” who may beat him to AI. He didn’t clarify whom. Any ideas?

    https://twitter.com/UF_blog/status/895981707496640513

    Methinks he will lose if he splits his time between AI and Mars. Too ambitious.

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    Wagner Reply:

    147 – Question and Answer. — What do savage tribes at present accept first of all from Europeans?
    Brandy and Christianity, the European narcotics. — And by what means are they fastest ruined ?— By
    the European narcotics.
    357 – The old Problem: What is German? — [T]he decay of the belief in the Christian God, the victory of scientific atheism, — is a universal European event, in which all races are to have their share of service and honour.

    Die fröhliche Wissenschaft

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    collen ryan Reply:

    wag where are you going with this we cant want christianity back?
    first christianity starts the process trying to align with greeks, and rationalize along with philosophy. why not say german philosophy grew out of christianity which we simply outgrew? But then we would be medieval ecclesiastics which I guess there’s worse things. But isn’t the bigger point its simply cucked irrationality and needs to go. This is not to say it perhaps served well for a while, its certainly not to say we dont need some form of cult ture.
    Not sure what jungle bunnies have to do with anything but i dont we give them whiskey and bibles to start out probably get them hooked o technology firsat maybe some blades some hooks matches, these days its ak47s and sneakers, then the traders in pelts and souls move in. How does this ruin them? they become reliant. they outpace their environment unjustifiably. They eschew their bio cultural support mechanism. basically what capitalism dis to us they get without capitalism.They need the junk taken away and penned into protected game preserves before they are lost entirely.

    collen ryan Reply:

    was that Neitz being ironic? the happy wisdom?

    Wagner Reply:

    What, how’d you get that out of that? Euros used Christianity as a sort of ascetic scaffold and created Science but Christian theocracy is still with us secularly as Socialism and poses the threat of being a narcotic that will put us to sleep/make us dumb while the savage races use our creation to surpass us (China whom we might assume Musk is thinking of).

    Back to the power debate real quick: without love and friendship humanity would’ve blown its brains out by now, don’tcha think? Not to get all sappy but the Christians are right about that, they just don’t sublimate it efficiently imo. Survival for survival’s sake wouldn’t “wake us up in the morning”, we evolved to have quasi-superhuman ideals – we only survive for the sake of something, like “good times” or “being dutiful” or “pussy”, the latter not specifically for survival but as an end in itself, etc. So survival, like power, can’t account for itself with its own logic, it swirls away in infinite regress.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Wag
    Howd I get that… and then it seemed you repeated back what I wrote, well what I was trying to convey, Id maybe give christianity even a bit more cred beyond asceticism I might suggest the process of aligning it with the cultures it encountered continued the greco roman project, certainly physically supported its continuance. It could also and jas been that its led to soe of the traits that have been our edge and are now our achilles heels. Certainly I think now it is morbid and secularized as socialism. slave morality. Im not convinced it had to become socialism but but I do insist it is fundamentally cucked. a contradiction perhaps. But while the socialism of christianity accrued within white christendom it was a positive even it seems in the early stages of capitalism, although one could say the necessary usury capitalism required was the entry point of jews into christendom. nevertheless I think it just might have been a salvageable cult if not for jews pwning it into socialism leftism perse.In fairness if not the jews it might have been another because its fundamentally cucked and post scarcity post homogeneity thats an open wound begging infection. Therefore its absolutely got to go. In mid neoreaction it was decided one of the three legs of reactions trichotomy was essentially christianity, ive said that was ludicrous ever since, And I thought atheist am nostalgic for the church.http://www.xenosystems.net/visual-trichotomy/
    Their reasons seems to be the same as NRO, we want a bigger club, christians are natural conservatives.

    Back to power/truth.
    love and friendship I would say are a bit restrictive, although they are probably the single most thing that distracts us from the cold abyss.It seems to me there are several more and some people oriented towards only one and others more than one. But I think youre basically right if we did not have these distractions we go mad prbably what happened to neetz.

    these are the ones I have identified,spirituality/religion,

    Family; of which some focus on the spouse others the children and some on parents, most are more balanced,

    work; where it is hard to justify ones work as important some ascribe it it family and while work often is an act of familial love and sacrifice,its not always, in fact its definitely one of the fundamentals on its own. This is of course more obvious when ones is seemingly important, even at this level some will justify it as an act for humanity or some such, the reality I see is some people simply find their work the distraction of choice.

    creativity; these are often the artists and artisans, but others might fall into this group like inventors.The index of human creativity seems boundless from cooking to dancing,storytelling, folkart to … some humans just have this creative drive, they cant bake a pie without turning the crust into a work of art, the japanese have turned the most mundane of things into high art and ceremony.

    intellectual pursuit; there are those of us who could exclusively spend 75 years studying the minutiae of medieval papermaking,subatomic particles, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, how to make a group of laws internally consistent, inventing a new political philosophy in their garage.

    the epicureans;while these are often addicted people,their extreme focus can be drugs and alcohol, sex love romance co dependent people, gambling,food disorders etc its worth noting any of the distractions can have a morbid expression and that such morbid expression might still be what leads to “greatness” from some perspective, usually not from the perspective of that person’s self interest. The epicureans morbid expression is often fatal but occasionally seems to be the left handed path to enlightenment. between the extremes though it can b a perfectly reasonable distraction., There are those among us who seem naturally happy go lucky they seem to not have a worry gene they work often but sort of off handedly there focus in life is the pleasure of people food drink sex sports,and light and frivolous amusements, they seem to be able to avoid addiction and simply have a slight relationship with the world.

    The naturalists; these are the animal lovers,the farmers,country dwellers, and outdoor sportsman from falconers to mountain climbers, sailors and pilots. These people seem to prefer nonhuman company trees and rivers seem to do for them what children or poetry does for others.Often they find employment or other ways to integrate nature into their lives, which seems to take on a familial or spiritual role.

    I think there are more ive forgotten I spent some time thinking about this once when i wondered if I was living the right life. The conclusion i came to is there is no right life, each of us has to decide which or what combination gives us the most satisfaction joy solace. Most of us a surprising amount can at least once in our lives pull back and say its fucking meaningless in the scheme of things this is not my life my children and wife don’t get me my art is shit my ideas stupid and futile, my work drudgery, god is not out there life is meaningless.Some of us do this several times a day some of us always know that in some sense it is meaningless. But the lucky ones also get that its not its precious, its like spitting into the face of the eternal abyss. The only caution I have is be conscious be honest with yourself about what really makes you happy without judgement, be willing to compromise if thats whats best and not compromise if thats what you must do, its a short life and will always seem we could have done a bit better but regrets are a waste of time while old age ought not to be discounted there’s a whole book somewhere of remarkable people who didnt begin what made them remarkable until over 50, that said I would say the young tend to waste a lot of time because they think of their entire expected age and the reality is they should break it into chunks of whats still possible. after about 40-50 most people cant do a lot of things anymore, but they find themselves surprised because at 38 they figured they had another 50 years to go. I watched a lot of my generation forget to have children, my dads generation forgot to have fun. few of us really get enough of a sense of all thats out there so choose from a limited palette.

    But yes we would go mad, sometimes we go mad anyway, we simply cant get that void out of our head.Personally I think life is enough of a purpose to life. Do we really want some external god to constrict ou being to his purpose thats somehow more satisfying than being god and participating in the purpose of the universe. This is ultimately the higher purpose if you must have one we are becoming gods, we will decide the purpose of the universe, we are already on the cusp of immortality. but lke some scifi multiverse their will be infinite purposes to the universe

    collen ryan Reply:

    https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/

    might like this

    Guðjón Ólafur Eiríksson Reply:

    I’ve been hosting Chinese people on AirBnB. They’re the best. Malaysians too. Singaporeans tomorrow.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Alain Badiou’s entire oeuvre can be said to lead to the conclusion that philosophy cannot, or should not, provide political activists and militants with an answer to that classical question: What is to be done? From translator foreword to Philosophy for Militants
    ALAIN BADIOU.

    And why not?

    With escalating alt right degeneracy I think they can compensate quite a bit by borrowinv a lot from earlier Badiou. Good luck, you gonna fail any way.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    SVErshov,

    Have you read Badiou’s ’15 Theses on Art’?

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  • Wagner Says:

    Well, here’s another middle finger to the Cathedral

    http://imgur.com/a/HbVmr

    Let’s look at this as sign-language or kabbalistically. The big G blue is rolling the red O and yellow o in between a little G blue. Between them is a “green wall” that is keeping out a little red e. If o o l and e team up the O’s are getting owned, sorry. All this to say, the Modlbug canon DSMV DSM or w/e caste system he hatched is out of business.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Perspicaciosmo synchroconspiromysticismo.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    Exit comes down to this: why would a cat let a mouse live?

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  • Wagner Says:

    “A lot of history is being casually tossed around these days. We see it from energized segments of the “alt-right” throwing up Nazi salutes, calling for a “revolution” against “the Bolsheviks” and marching to chants like “Jews will not replace us…
    The Third Reich. The Bolshevik Revolution. The American Civil War. The Spanish Inquisition. This is heavy, heavy history. Yet in the words of some actors, some of the darkest days of our historical memory seem to take on a weightless form in today’s angst-ridden political discourse… [W]hen the future looks especially bleak a raucous few [LAND, MIKE, CORRUPTERS OF YOUTH] can capture the minds of many by plunging deep into the depths of a blemished history to conjure up leaders and legends that, with a bit of polishing and dusting off, can serve as the unadulterated icons of a new world order… It is this very dilemma of how to responsibly treat history that German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche tried to tackle in an essay titled “On the Use and Abuse of History for Life” as part of his Untimely Meditations series…
    Nietzsche describe[s] the three approaches to history: Monumentalism, Antiquarianism and Criticism. No single approach is the right one; each can be used in combination and at an appropriate time and context. If misused, however, “destructive weeds” will sprout and pull society down into chaos.” – Reva Goujon, “A Nietzschean Lesson on the Use and Abuse of History”

    “misused”

    http://miniganb.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/mr-burns-laughing-lightning.png

    As a genealogist Moldbug is up there with NEETch imo. Genealogy is a dangerous tool! Seeing that Foucault’s genealogy is so popular it is possible Moldbug’s will catch on. It is probably useful for us all to study the untimely meditation above and apply it to Moldbug and Neet’s work. Though, it itself is pozzed (h/t Strauss) in its postulation of the sovereignty of becoming. Probably would have to expurgate that bit if we were to build a New Nietzschean Religion… actually we’d have to expurgate a lot… oh yeah, I always remember that a Nietzschean religion isn’t possible. Dat atomization, dog. Little shits would come along in no time after reading Zarathustra and genealogize our pruning of Nietzsch, ain’t life grand?

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    What some are calling cultural Marxism is nothing other than capitalism’s pivot from history-as-a-collective-subject-with-a-destiny (monumentalism) towards an ideology of happiness (auto-history)

    It is history with a customer service center.

    Capitalism has the perverse task of maintaining the smooth surface of a ‘fair’ environment while the system itself only functions through a logic of envy which is the driving force of consumption for the market.

    Further envies – market cultivated dissatisfactions – lead to further addresses for ‘fairness’. The circuitry was wired by a madman. Blown fuses – zombie historical subjects – are the unhappy auto-historians of late capitalist happiness ideology.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    Students at IU are petitioning for the removal of one of Thomas Hart Benton’s murals from an auditorium. The mural in question is being cited as disturbing for its depiction of a Klan rally.

    The university has responded, “education is the best response to concerns over the Benton Murals.” Those protesting the mural’s residence on their campus have responded, “the mural can have a negative impact on students that can affect their ability to focus and learn.” Comically, education is both being used for and against Benton’s mural.

    A few weeks ago, I spoke with a stranger about Robert E Lee’s statue. Trying to kindle a sense of the broadest and most shared, cultural-‘Americanism’, I simply stated that, “The statue is a part of our history.”

    I was very surprised by her answer. She said, “Yeah. But you didn’t live it.”

    I wanted to say, “Isn’t history, by default, something ‘outside’ your experience?” but instead, I resisted from making any normative judgement and, upon the cessation of our brief exchange, I continued to reflect on my walk alone over the disparity between our social and personal ‘histories’.

    Nietzsche calls the truth ‘a woman’. He says of women, ‘they are not even shallow’. He compares history to ‘pregnancy’.

    What makes history is its subject, the life and death of peoples and cultures. But this is redoubled into history itself. History is not outside of it. The struggles of mankind in history are the struggles for perspectives of history.

    Of course, I am right. Robert E Lee is a part of history. But she is right as well. Keeping ‘erect’ or tearing down a statue would be as much a part of history; history in the blankest sense; a jotting down of facts as ‘it’ happened.

    Beyond this, history is explanation: ‘Why did it happen?’ Male fascination with female genitalia.

    History becomes hystery.

    This is why Nietzsche is not representationalist. The historical methodology serves a purpose, the evaluation of values, which serves a further purpose, the revaluation of values. Values are the motor of history. Otherwise, why study history at all? Why make accommodations for it? “Aren’t we submitting history, in the rigor of performing a hystorical anal-ysis, of cumming up with explanation, to a preconceived judgement, that which we value to find in history?”, is Nietzsche’s gambit.

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    Wagner Reply:

    The one thing they had me *memorize* in middle and high school was

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that man is endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights, which among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

    I haven’t seen it for a while but I imagine that’s close to verbatim, and I can’t imagine your “upbringing” was much different. Did a teacher ever teach you the virtue of rank-ordering? Therefore, Rohme, if we are to side with philosophy over theology, equality and these supposed “rights” should be put into question. (Sidenote: is there a synchronicity involved with “rightism” and “rights”?) I mean, tell me the truth, am I schizophrenic? Or is there something about “equality” that is questionable? If only slightly. Buddy, I can lose my job for saying there is something questionable about equality. Isn’t there though, even in our own cultural law? Darwin is accepted as true, but the hierarchy of the species is not applied to humans themselves – why? Really, why? I feel like America demonizes people like me for having simple curiosities. Fire people instead of giving them an answer to “why?”… Just isn’t right, man. It isn’t liberal OR conservative. It’s just something that deserves helicopter “jokes”.

    “Nietzsche calls the truth ‘a woman’. He says of women, ‘they are not even shallow’.”

    Lol. Remember what else he says “isn’t even shallow”?

    “Mystical explanations are considered deep; the truth is, they are not even shallow.”

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    I didn’t ‘get’ the pledge to the flag, preamble of the Constitution, etc. until I was older and realized that order, for us humans, relies on the integrity of symbolization, of which there is nigh.

    I should have seen it as poetry and appreciated the pledge as an act of good faith. But I resisted good faith wherever it lie.

    Inalienable rights are alienable by virtue of needing a guarantor. God. This is alienation. Locke couldn’t place the ground of rights within the state, where they materially existed, because he belonged to a class trying to gain greater advantage within the state.

    Both Filmer and Locke were using ‘God’ for their concepts of rights, but the truth is God was whatever the state was because God is whatever state man is in. Now God is a double cheeseburger.

    “Mystical explanations are considered deep; the truth is, they are not even shallow.”

    Lol. Good retort. Description is the best explanation we have.

    Darwin gets his discipline but Bentham gets the whole Cathedral.

    Also, you were right about Bentham when you said, “..feeling pleasure from believing in Benthamism justifies Benthamism in the eyes of higher criteria?”

    Bentham did not account for the principle of utility as pleasure itself, so the pleasure he got from applying the principle of utility was tyrannical.

    Society.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “Both Filmer and Locke were using ‘God’ for their concepts of rights, but the truth is God was whatever the state was because God is whatever state man is in. Now God is a double cheeseburger.”

    “Both Foucault and Rohme were using ‘Power’ for their concepts of rights, but the truth is Power was whatever the state was because Power is whatever state man is in. Now Power is a double cheeseburger.”

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    All is not all there is. Not all is all there is.

    A thought comes in a uniform and singular identity. We cannot think everything so how can we think God?

    What if that which we could not think of we come to think of in a moment of having a new thought? If we think of something that we couldn’t think of before, then we could always think it and it was wrong to think otherwise. To think of God is to think what we cannot think.

    Filmer and Locke demonstrate no ability to think God. To them, God is a signifier meaning ‘father’, ‘stability’, ‘natural order’, ‘right’, ‘absolute’, so on and so forth. A metonymy of synonymical words and concepts.

    Nietzsche’s death of God is the death of this signification of this old God. What Locke ended up doing is giving us ‘life, liberty and property’ but without the God he thought was needed to justify having ‘life, liberty and property’.

    The God that survived Nietzsche’s murder is a network of pleasures, a ‘felicific calculus’, which is self-sustained by a desiring subject. That’s what I mean by a double cheeseburger McGod.

    Even those who pray to the old God do so from the standards of the new one, so historical zombies (nazis, communists) cannot repeat what was essential to the nazis and communists. They’re cosplay and no WILL.

    As I said before, ‘Power holds a dominant value – which is a mere quantity – but value is primary since it enables the expression of power through qualitatively differing wills. ‘

    So, you have power as a quantity and power as a qualitatively differing will which asserts itself.

    Take from this what you will.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    The Left has taken on the religiosity of the Right and the Right has taken on the revolutionarism of the Left.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Nothing worse could have possibly been traded out betwixt them.

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    Posted on September 15th, 2017 at 2:27 am Reply | Quote
  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    I feel the urge to contemplate Land is trying to lead us into a Zen mantra: “Politics doesn’t exist.”

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    Wagner staging Parsifal,

    Let’s shift our convos here, if you don’t mind! I’m sick of finding the damn reply button in that thread which has gotten unruly in proportion.

    “I am genuinely curious, you’re a quasi-leftist so you must have a decent answer to this conundrum.. Breed out most of the people whose genes have done things that deserve respect’ is the clarion-call of the Left.”

    Let me ask you something.. would you want to die to ‘make the world a better place’ or would you rather live in shit so long as you could enjoy it?

    Either way, this is the same position of the proletariat.

    Reading Anti-Oedipus and rereading Land, I am having a road-to-Damascus moment.

    There is no such thing as politics.

    Positively, politics is the failure to recognize non-politics.

    The Sun is non-politics. The Sun’s rays are non-politics.

    Capital is non-politics.

    How can that be?

    Laws or bureaucracies are man-made. Capital is a machine man is in.

    Capital would only become ‘politics’ if the proletariat were willing to ‘die to make the world a better place’.

    But the choice is to ‘live in shit so long as they can enjoy it’. That is unrecognized non-politics.

    Politics is the delirium of unrecognized guilt in the face of collusive inaction as the source of our present misery.

    Politics, as ‘war by other means’, is survival by all means, meaning its chief aim is to ‘live like shit so long as one can enjoy it’ and not to ‘die to make the world a better place’.

    As such, the entire religious/revolutionary ‘zeal’ of politics is methaneous waste.

    Real democracy would be war because democracy is suicidal in that any openness to contingency would immediately threaten the very sovereignty that presupposes it.

    These people of which you speak – antagonists, protagonists, such categories may be used interchangeably – are not real historical Commies or Nazis. They are historical zombies, the living dead, apolitical, post-proletarian trash.

    Ask a zombie what it feels like to be a zombie, they’ll go, “ughghguughghguughghh…” I’m just discovering that’s what I sound like.

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  • Wagner Says:

    I nominate Bill Hicks as NRx saint:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDrgwZsGC9A

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Found some old videos.. Me, at most most Germanic/late romantic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=112&v=USJG6vMQW68

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    Wagner Reply:

    I meant to mention when we were talking about Sergio Leone – goombas have a particular tendency to side with Mexicans and Arabs because they resemble them in appearance. This is a mistake arising from superficiality. Italians are up there with the English, Germans, and French as far as cultural achievements or “Great Men” goes, this is partially why I have reservations about “white” nationalism strictly speaking. America probably would have been best off if it just stuck with being Anglo-German but I and probably most shitlords deep down I imagine don’t have much of a problem with smart, responsible Italians. Thing is, Rohme, most of us don’t count leftists as responsible. You are a smart, cultured guy though so it brings me sadness to see you waste yourself on making the world a dumber place.

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    Posted on September 18th, 2017 at 3:13 am Reply | Quote

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