Know the Enemy II

The sobs of aesthetic bliss version:



ADDED: China vs. The Cathedral, planetary soft-power cage fight.

June 26, 2014admin 19 Comments »
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  • Know the Enemy II | Reaction Times Says:

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    Posted on June 26th, 2014 at 8:55 am Reply | Quote
  • The Word Says:

    Yo man I don’t usually read blogs but your bliss picture made sense once I watched this 🙂 Check it out bro


    Posted on June 26th, 2014 at 10:41 am Reply | Quote
  • Antisthenes Says:

    Forgive me for my admittedly cursory knowledge of Moldbuggian thought, but doesn’t that flowchart describe the Cathedral itself, with the fact that ‘Cathedral’ is an object within it leading to a problem of infinite regress of some sort? Also I sent you an email asking about accelerationism a while ago and I’ve been more or less of the grid in the meantime, so any arrows to relevant posts whether on this blog or Urbanomic would be much appreciated.

    The flowchart is indeed aesthetically (one wants to say gustatorally) thrilling, though.


    nydwracu Reply:

    The hexagons with equals signs are the Moldbuggian abstractions.


    nydwracu Reply:

    …damn, I fucked up, it’s inconsistent whether things coming out of the Polygon come out of the Polygon or its various bits.

    dunno which is preferable here.


    Rasputin Reply:

    I’m not sure that I understand why this diagram limit’s the Cathedral to Academia, Media and the School System, and places NGOs, for example, outside it?

    Also, surely the CSB IS the Cathedral: it’s just that the AMSS is it’s brain, no?

    I’m clearly gonna need to go back and re-read MM because this seems to limit the Cathedral and the Polygon in a way which doesn’t quite mesh with my own mental image.

    Loving the graphic though!

    nydwracu Reply:

    Cathedral is AMSS. It’s debatable whether think tanks and NGOs are properly considered Cathedral, but I don’t think Moldbug includes them, and my current project is a re-injection of orthodox Moldbuggery into a scene that doesn’t seem to quite grasp what the hell ‘demotism’ is, or why exit is superior to voice beyond its ability to resolve political conflicts.

    The latter misunderstanding is probably my fault in part — too much Confederacy, not enough Carlyle. Stump-orators can say whatever they want, and don’t have to personally eat the consequences; a regime that does what gives them good feels when they talk about it is fundamentally detached from reality, especially on a large enough scale that they don’t get stuck with the results. New York City is a good example: barring the current communist aberration — and there’s a good reason to bar it, given the financial clusterfuck looming in the City’s future — they voted for Ameri-Putin for themselves, and some Ayersite gray-man embarrassment for everyone else.

    We’re all cyberneticists here, ja? The machine needs to have the right input mechanisms. GIGO, and stump-oration is garbage.

    Posted on June 26th, 2014 at 11:37 am Reply | Quote
  • Arc Says:

    Meanwhile, VPOTUS is promoting “gay rights” globally, saying that those rights trump national cultures…–politics.html


    Thales Reply:

    “Progress be your new culture, bitches!”


    R7 Rocket Reply:

    Tsar Putin: “Nuclear weapons always have the final say, bitches”


    R7 Rocket Reply:

    Biden doesn’t have to care about Russian culture, but he should damn well care about Russian nuclear weapons…

    State Security Forces are an integral part of any government.


    Posted on June 26th, 2014 at 2:23 pm Reply | Quote
  • R7 Rocket Says:

    It’s missing the state security forces.


    Posted on June 26th, 2014 at 6:22 pm Reply | Quote
  • scientism Says:

    I guess the Chinese equivalent of “the Cathedral” is “peaceful evolution.” They even made a movie about it:

    The funny thing is, when you read about this stuff in Western accounts of China, they’re just aghast. They can’t see how any of it has any basis in reality and they assume the reader won’t either. There’s a strange, unquestioned partition in political science where, if you deal with the West you can question the West, but if you deal with any other country, your views on the West have to be naive and conventional to a fault. Presumably academics who don’t maintain this partition “go native”, never to be heard of again.


    Posted on June 26th, 2014 at 10:59 pm Reply | Quote
  • Chris B Says:

    I have one major issue with this diagram. It does not include corporations as a captured host. Turning a blind eye to this is counter productive, as the Cathedral uses them for it’s social messages and social control (CSR).


    Posted on June 27th, 2014 at 12:56 am Reply | Quote
  • Steve Johnson Says:

    I never drew the diagram but I outlined what I think it should look like here:


    Posted on June 27th, 2014 at 1:11 am Reply | Quote
  • Bill Says:

    Where’s the Army?

    Where is NRx? Off the chart I guess? We can’t be separate though, we are a reaction. I have been playing with a metaphor: we are the Protestant Reformation arguing against the symbolic cannibalism and bizarre superstitions of the late Medieval Catholics (see “Holy Bones, Holy Dust” by Charles Freeman for interesting late Medieval Catholic practices like huffing saint corpse dust to cure asthma). Instead of Luther or Calvin we say: “Dear Secular Humanists (capitalized like a religion), your “reality” doesn’t account for a lot of our experiences. The systems you have developed are based on a flawed viewpoint, and are, in the course of mens’ lives, dystopic. We are concerned that you are pushing us into a never ending hell vortex nightmare scenario. We, your enemies, are concerned, and have been developing a more accurate teleological model. Needless to say, our teleology is filled to the brim with heresies.” Fighting should ensue. However, we aren’t strong enough to fight them fairly. Therefore, we need to either convince them we are right, or fight an intellectual insurgency.

    I have a fantasy that some MIT student will develop a new biotech that creates such a gap between before the invention and after the invention that they gain total power. We start the calendar over at zero, like for Jesus or Mohammed. No law can contain the obvious excess of power the invention generates, and the current power structure doesn’t appeal to the genius… Someone like Grigori Perelman, but more tied into reality, from the outside though.


    soapjackal Reply:

    Somebody really digs flow charts. However… is it helpful at explaining anything? Seems like it would be a good start for a mindmap as opposed to a flow chart. Maybe even a concept map.


    Posted on June 27th, 2014 at 1:14 am Reply | Quote
  • Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Cathedral notes (#1) Says:

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  • E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Says:

    “sobs of aesthetic bliss..”

    I’m brought back to a place but its XTree and I’m not *sure* I’d call this bliss but…

    I mean, cyan is cool.

    (Searches the system folder for MOUSE.COM)


    Posted on June 28th, 2014 at 2:38 am Reply | Quote

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