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		<title>By: nydwracu</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-138335</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2014 00:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the Germans? They got into the game too late to build a serious economically-motivated empire along the British and French lines, but they sure as hell went for lebensraum -- and a lot of those Russian explorers were ethnic Germans.

Geographical determinism can explain the Swiss to some extent. Hill people are hill people, because hills are much more easily defended than anything else: they don&#039;t have to worry as much about getting conquered or meddled with as, say, Poland. Why should the Swiss bother fighting for more land? The mountains aren&#039;t going anywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Germans? They got into the game too late to build a serious economically-motivated empire along the British and French lines, but they sure as hell went for lebensraum &#8212; and a lot of those Russian explorers were ethnic Germans.</p>
<p>Geographical determinism can explain the Swiss to some extent. Hill people are hill people, because hills are much more easily defended than anything else: they don&#8217;t have to worry as much about getting conquered or meddled with as, say, Poland. Why should the Swiss bother fighting for more land? The mountains aren&#8217;t going anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137557</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;At least one of us has to be psychotically dissociated&quot; -- isn&#039;t that whine explicitly pre-empted?

You can make your point without frothing, is all. Lutter certainly manages to. If you can&#039;t be bothered to spend a few seconds composing a sentence with a minimum of style, grace, or wit, why should I be expected to host it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At least one of us has to be psychotically dissociated&#8221; &#8212; isn&#8217;t that whine explicitly pre-empted?</p>
<p>You can make your point without frothing, is all. Lutter certainly manages to. If you can&#8217;t be bothered to spend a few seconds composing a sentence with a minimum of style, grace, or wit, why should I be expected to host it?</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137512</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, YOU&#039;RE the big baby na na na. Oh look, it&#039;s just jokes is all, like if I call you &quot;psychotically dissociated&quot; it doesn&#039;t mean that anyone who disagrees with me is literally insane or anything excruciatingly arrogant like that. Double down why don&#039;t ya? Make yourself really believe it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, YOU&#8217;RE the big baby na na na. Oh look, it&#8217;s just jokes is all, like if I call you &#8220;psychotically dissociated&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t mean that anyone who disagrees with me is literally insane or anything excruciatingly arrogant like that. Double down why don&#8217;t ya? Make yourself really believe it</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarcasm with less baby rattling would work better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarcasm with less baby rattling would work better.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 22:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nutty, nutty! They&#039;re all so nutty! Not like me. So WEIRD, Ewwwww]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutty, nutty! They&#8217;re all so nutty! Not like me. So WEIRD, Ewwwww</p>
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		<title>By: Aeroguy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aeroguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If family trumps merit, then you&#039;ll find the spaceship threatened with destruction by people insisting that their family be included on the roster.  Universalism is dumb, but that means we have to deal with competition and war.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If family trumps merit, then you&#8217;ll find the spaceship threatened with destruction by people insisting that their family be included on the roster.  Universalism is dumb, but that means we have to deal with competition and war.</p>
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		<title>By: Scharlach</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scharlach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s almost as if a general tendency toward ethnic and cultural cohesion is not entirely symmetrical with a general tendency toward exploration and empire building. Who would have thought it . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost as if a general tendency toward ethnic and cultural cohesion is not entirely symmetrical with a general tendency toward exploration and empire building. Who would have thought it . . .</p>
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		<title>By: scientism</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137182</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s be honest, whoever built the spaceship would send their people, and everybody on Earth, except the WEIRDos, would think that fair, because they would&#039;ve sent their people if they&#039;d had a spaceship. What kind of demented individual has a way to survive the apocalypse and doesn&#039;t save his family?

This could actually be a test for political systems. Is it obvious who builds and owns the spaceship (not &quot;mankind&quot;)? Is it obvious who gets to go in the spaceship? Can everyone else understand the &quot;selection&quot; process? That the UN spaceship would be criticised for not being fair in its selection process is a strike against the UN as a coherent organisation.

The whole thought experiment is a beautiful demonstration of why &quot;representation&quot; is moronic. Imagine living in a world where not only are you impressed by your elites&#039; spaceship building skills, but you understand their desire to save their families and take the best people to fill various roles, and maybe you even want them to succeed because you&#039;ve respected them your whole life. You have no expectation of surviving the apocalypse, since you can&#039;t build a spaceship yourself and why the hell would anyone build an spaceship for you? And you certainly don&#039;t care whether the spaceship contains a representative number of people of your race/gender/deviance. That&#039;s a healthy society.

Societal failure modes include the spaceship builders sending a &quot;representative&quot; selection of people, selecting purely on merit (as opposed to including themselves and their families and selecting the experts they need), and sending the Swiss.

This gives some idea of the malevolence of &quot;representative&quot; politics. A benevolent society is one where I can understand things on a human scale and in human terms. I don&#039;t expect everything to go my way but I can understand why things generally don&#039;t. A malevolent society is one where everything is decontextualised by abstractions. Is this fair/unfair, equal/unequal, liberal/illiberal, representative, democratic? Does anyone really know? The only thing to do is to air your grievances and grab at whatever you can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be honest, whoever built the spaceship would send their people, and everybody on Earth, except the WEIRDos, would think that fair, because they would&#8217;ve sent their people if they&#8217;d had a spaceship. What kind of demented individual has a way to survive the apocalypse and doesn&#8217;t save his family?</p>
<p>This could actually be a test for political systems. Is it obvious who builds and owns the spaceship (not &#8220;mankind&#8221;)? Is it obvious who gets to go in the spaceship? Can everyone else understand the &#8220;selection&#8221; process? That the UN spaceship would be criticised for not being fair in its selection process is a strike against the UN as a coherent organisation.</p>
<p>The whole thought experiment is a beautiful demonstration of why &#8220;representation&#8221; is moronic. Imagine living in a world where not only are you impressed by your elites&#8217; spaceship building skills, but you understand their desire to save their families and take the best people to fill various roles, and maybe you even want them to succeed because you&#8217;ve respected them your whole life. You have no expectation of surviving the apocalypse, since you can&#8217;t build a spaceship yourself and why the hell would anyone build an spaceship for you? And you certainly don&#8217;t care whether the spaceship contains a representative number of people of your race/gender/deviance. That&#8217;s a healthy society.</p>
<p>Societal failure modes include the spaceship builders sending a &#8220;representative&#8221; selection of people, selecting purely on merit (as opposed to including themselves and their families and selecting the experts they need), and sending the Swiss.</p>
<p>This gives some idea of the malevolence of &#8220;representative&#8221; politics. A benevolent society is one where I can understand things on a human scale and in human terms. I don&#8217;t expect everything to go my way but I can understand why things generally don&#8217;t. A malevolent society is one where everything is decontextualised by abstractions. Is this fair/unfair, equal/unequal, liberal/illiberal, representative, democratic? Does anyone really know? The only thing to do is to air your grievances and grab at whatever you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Archenemy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137165</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Genius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/libertarians-are-weird/#comment-137039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What? send us English? great...interstellar communism here we come...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? send us English? great&#8230;interstellar communism here we come&#8230;</p>
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