Lunatic Activism

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So it seems quite definite that the maniac who murdered this lady was some kind of riled-up Neo-Nazi (with mental health problems, if that isn’t a pleonasm). The SPLC is being called upon to pitch in with information, wholly understandably and predictably.

The news article notes:

In the wake of the attack, commentators questioned whether the tone of the ongoing Brexit referendum on Britain’s future in the European Union referendum campaign had been too divisive, pointing in particular to the focus on immigration. […] Alex Massie, writing in the Spectator magazine, blamed the “Leave” campaign for raising tensions. […] “When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged,” Mr Massie wrote. […] “When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word.”

There’s absolutely no point insisting that this is bullshit, because to the extent that it is it’s nevertheless inevitable, and it will certainly be effective. This is what incontinent activism produces. It’s free, super-charged propaganda for the other side.

If the Right succeeds at making anything out of the collapse of the reigning order, it will be because it has pacified its own fringe of lunatic activism. It’s far from clear that it’s capable of doing that. What is clear though, is that the Alt-Right tendency — taken generally — is not anywhere close to seriously trying. The idiots pretending to be your friends will hurt you far more than the idiots on the other side. Mere survival requires principled dissociation from anyone promoting crime and terror as political tactics. Violent criminality is not even slightly OK. (It’s questionable whether politics is even slightly OK.)

If “no enemies on the right” moderates condemnation of rabid animals, it’s a formula for political suicide.

Note: The first person to denounce this post as ‘virtue signaling’ loses. (It’s non-hydrophobia signaling.)

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  • Dedicating Ruckus Says:

    It seems to me that this is somewhat wrongheaded, for two related reasons.

    1. There will always be lunatics distributed thinly throughout the population, doing occasional lunatic things, and some of them will always be at least plausibly rightist, because of even distribution. No action on the part of the sane and strategic Right, however united, can alter this.
    2. Even in the total absence of any violent criminality, the Left can and will define more and more innocuous behaviors as unacceptable, tantamount to criminality anyway, and make just as much propaganda hay out of those. See, for instance, the recent insistence in some US spheres that violating a “safe space” with “hate speech” is really the same thing as violence, and justifies actual violence to shut it down.

    If the Right cannot survive leftists attacking it as immoral, it cannot survive at all. Of course the Left will define any rightist violence as immoral, but it will also define any rightist action of any kind (even passivist) as immoral. And of course the Left will give a pass to even egregious violence from leftists. What did you expect?

    Moderating your behavior in order to gain approval, or even slightly-less-vociferous-disapproval, from leftists is the same losing path the conservatives went down. The Left’s condemnations need have nothing to do with reality; nothing the Right can do will stem them. The only consideration worth bothering with is whether a given act is effective (for whatever definition thereof).

    (Of course, murdering random politicians is less likely to be effective than most other possible acts. But the reason to avoid it is because it is ineffective, not because leftists will condemn you otherwise.)

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    admin Reply:

    ‘Activists’ are simply incapable of thinking clearly about this. ‘Their’ activists help us, and ‘our’ activists help them. Whenever the Left engages in mealy-mouthed defense of some atrocity committed on the basis of Leftist ideals, it slips further into the abyss. The inverse is no less true.

    On your specific points,
    1) The Right can at least make it unambiguously clear that it represents the opposite of violent criminality. To say that it is currently devoted to this message would be generous in the extreme.
    2) Leftist extensions of ‘violent criminality’ into ever more absurd zones of ideologically-hysterical metaphor should, of course, be contemptuously rejected. Murdering an unarmed woman in the street does not in any way contribute helpfully to this.

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    Dedicating Ruckus Reply:

    ‘Violent’ is at least reasonably objectively definable. However, it doesn’t seem established that everything violent is either bad or ineffective. Violence can be instrumental in many goals, and more or less any moral system accepts violence in certain contexts.

    Meanwhile, ‘criminality’ is a political designator. I think the Right will simply have to live with most of its endeavors, violent or otherwise, being defined as ‘criminality’; what else can be expected, with the Left in power? If you don’t like it, acquire power somehow, so that you can impose a definition more in line with your preferences.

    More to the point, regarding ‘activists’ helping the other side — “helping” how? Public opinion? Why do we care? Are we not reactionaries? If any given action is instrumental in gaining power, then its effect on public opinion can be safely neglected; if the rise of the Left teaches anything, it’s that power can rectify public opinion more easily than vice-versa. If it isn’t instrumental in gaining power, don’t do it. (I believe we’re in agreement that murdering random politicians generally falls in the second category.)

    History demonstrates that violent criminality, sufficiently organized, is indeed capable of toppling regimes and seizing power. There’s a good argument that an entity capable of acquiring power through such means is unlikely to be significantly better than what it replaces. However, that’s an argument of effectiveness independent of propaganda or morality. It’s clear this particular instance was stupid; however, it’s not clear that it’s an argument against ever using violence for anything.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I suspect that the bourgeousie nerds of NRx are still prone to let ‘muhgovernment’ decide on violence, like domesticated normies. Gotta give up that ‘legitimacy’ fantasy, legitimacy isn’t real.

    Aeroguy Reply:

    That which holds power decides on violence, if you’re not a power holder then unless you’re a one man army you’ll lose if you choose violence. Rather converting/seducing power holders or successors to power is how to effect change. Promises of security in their power are seductive indeed.

    michael Reply:

    its not criminality if he had killed a bunch of wogs maybe but he went after one of the masterminds that is going to be clear to all but the most sentimental dolts.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Only if the Right was in power can it denounce violent criminality…by banning politics I suppose.

    War and violence are part of the spectrum of politics.

    As far as walking away when one tears down an existing order such as the Cathedral, the destruction of which is the only thing NRx can perhaps agree on and what it’s dedicated to one should expect costs.

    As far as harming “us” support for the EU dropped in the polls.

    Simply put violence works and always has, always will.

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    rzg Reply:

    Exactly. Where is this backlash I keep hearing about?

    Same with the backlash against Trump for saying forbidden things.

    admin Reply:

    “Same” — No, not at all “same”. Christ.

    rzg Reply:

    Same.

    The predicted backlash didn’t happen, says polls.

    Except from people like you, linking to and echoing ABC headlines helpfully explaining how this harms the Rrrrespect-abilitay of the Right, and how not signaling against it is “political suicide”.

    You think you’re outside of box. But you’re ignoring data, and (sincerely… not just signaling) believing the pulpit.

    jim Reply:

    There is a tendency on the right to simply believe the left’s claims of superior moral legitimacy – that public opinion supports their holiness, and that public opinion matters.

    And yet:

    No backlash against BRexit for murdering an anti exit politician.

    No backlash against Tony Abbott for calmly ignoring the judiciary (priesthood)

    No backlash against Duterte for actually getting tough on crime, corruption, and government indiscipline.

    Public opinion is downstream of power, not upstream of power.

    GC Reply:

    I think the drop in the polls has more to do with the backlash against using this woman’s death for political gain. I mean, it’s one thing the Cathedral’s propaganda mills being fired up before the body went cold, but they were doing it *before she was even dead*.

    Ahote Reply:

    It isn’t just ineffective, it’s counter-effective and that’s exactly the problem. It isn’t about gaining approval, or slightly-less-vociferous-disapproval, it’s about surviving. When things like this happen, they can justify (to the “moderate” and “apolitical” public) even greater clamping down on anything even slightly to the right of Overton window. In order to survive the Right must go under the radar. Alt-right will ultimately prove a failure, even if Trump wins – they underestimate the extent to which the power lies within their enemies’ hands.

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    Dedicating Ruckus Reply:

    If the Right’s survival is dependent on the good opinion of the Left in any way, we are already doomed.

    The Left will do whatever it can to destroy us. We know this. If the Right can be destroyed by the Left’s clamping down, whether justified or not, then we lose. Whether the Left can convince the apolitical public to connive in this is only very tenuously dependent on anything the Right actually does. The Left can and will manufacture justifications from any rightist endeavor, even impeccably passivist ones. They are more than capable of painting attempted exit as aggression.

    The largest-scale endeavor that is actually capable of going “under the radar” — that is, actually secret from any leftist who might wish to destroy it — is perhaps about three people. Anywhere above this level, any rightist effort must be capable of surviving attacks by the Left made with its full force, eventually. Rightist strategy must in significant part consist in limiting the force available to the Left; there’s no evidence that acceding to their moral panics has ever helped with this.

    Of course, this particular act was pretty clearly pointless and stupid, from a rightist perspective. But it also wasn’t carried out by a strategic rightist; it was carried out by a random lunatic. I see no particular gain to strategic rightists from doing anything in particular with reference to this guy. We certainly mustn’t do the standard conservative thing, and immediately make concessions to the Left in order to demonstrate our moral superiority.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Falling into the middle-class townie morality of nation-state citizens is part of the reason this degenerate cult got power, that includes foisting violence off onto ‘the authorities’.

    Ahote Reply:

    Exactly, we are already doomed. Let’s hope that our left-wing overlords abandon their insane religion like the the Communist Party of China did. Rightist effort cannot ever hope to be capable of surviving attacks by the Left made with its full force, because Left has control of everything, including the official narrative and all the security forces. We are literally at their mercy, for if they ever start feeling threatened, actually threatened, they will do much worse than arrest you for ‘hate speech.’ I don’t see anyone making concessions to the Left to demonstrate moral superiority here, it’s about setting back our cause – not because we care about Sauron’s opinion, but because we want to escape his terrible gaze. Of course, things like this set-back not just the passivist Right, but infinitely more so the activist right. Anders Breivik seems to have single-handedly ended the European Counter-Jihad movement.

    frank Reply:

    > Anders Breivik seems to have single-handedly ended the European Counter-Jihad movement.

    Was there any in the first place — or would there be any absent Breivik? I’m not so sure.

    holipopiloh Reply:

    You squeak like a rabbit.

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    Ahote Reply:

    If your way works why don’t you go ahead, and take the power, we cowardly NRx weaklings will gladly bend the knee to our new overlords… should you succeed. What’s stopping you?

    michael Reply:

    They get away with this because they control the handles of power which they took by intimidating people afraid of violence they are still a minority even among their voter few believe any of it they are voting pockets, race,and holiness. The guns they control are only obedient because those guns believe in order they know they work for chaos but hope springs eternal and besides pockets guns holiness. You can not get american police and troops to fire on citizens for but a few moments at a point they step back. The Lefts true believers are not fighters they can easily be displaced the way they gained power drag them out of the universities and shoot them most bystanders will secretly know they got their just deserts. Yes sure the early stages will be costly and seem hopeless eventually the tide will turn.

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  • Contaminated NEET Says:

    But Master, I thought we didn’t care about gaining political power or influencing the masses. I thought worse was better.

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    admin Reply:

    Your jiu-jitsu is strong, but:
    1) Why is this about the masses? It’s about influencing civilized people in general.
    2) Worse regime performance is better. A rabid alternative makes even dismal regime performance look good.

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    Tom Reply:

    Where’s the distinction between ‘civilised people’ and ‘violence-averse people’? Political violence in the sense of gunning down a defenceless woman in the street is strategically brain-dead, but so is a total unwillingness to use brutality as a means of persuasion *where appropriate*.

    I mean, woe to the hand that shed this costly blood and all that, but I’m struggling to see how it’s bad for the rightist agenda regardless of the response. The fact that a feral weirdo can even get to an elite like Cox and murder her without substantial ramification is demonstrative of the Cathedral’s real martial weakness. The dismal performance of the current regime may look ‘civilised’ in comparison, but if it can’t respond to attack with retributive calamity for its enemies, any attack demonstrates its profound weakness. Strong horses and weak horses, etc.

    If your point is that civilised people are generally less receptive to violence as a means of influence than erudition, OK. I think you’re wrong, but that’s a sensibly debatable hypothesis. But I suspect you want to make the case that proactive violence is rationally verboten to a rightist, and that seems obviously wrong.

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    Anon Reply:

    I wouldn’t say it is a martial weakness. One of the strengths of governmental bureaucracies and politicians in democracies is that their organizational forms have an ability to withstand assassination attempts. One person in government or some party taken out can be replaced by a similarly trained person below or around them. Not so for decentralized organizations, like terror groups, where key nodes and key trained people are valuable and lack a larger logistic/education backing like western govs / pol parties. Pretty sure it is this paper on political assassinations that supports this argument: http://economics.mit.edu/files/3055 though it has been awhile since I read it, so it might not be that one (if it isn’t, I’ll dig up the paper with the argument).

    It becomes a problem for government if the other side is highly organized, and have operational stealth (don’t announce their killing, and don’t do it broad daylight), which is highly doubtful this will happen, because the far right are morons and the bad drives out the competent. Unless of course the left annoy the ex-military types sufficiently enough. In which case, the military have just spent the last 15 years becoming real good at manhunts, thus leading to tens of thousands of western men in their late 20s-early 40s capable of carrying out and supporting such acts on a large, efficient and effective scale.

    Tom Reply:

    Or is the point that continence in one’s capacity for violence is a more valuable thing to demonstrate still?

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  • JohnHunyadi Says:

    Could it be a false flag? Even if it isn’t, if it successfully keeps the UK in the EU, it will offer an incentive for a similar attack by an alleged pro-Trump supporter in the US.

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    admin Reply:

    The ‘false flag’ argument — whatever its inherent credibility — is crucial tacit evidence that such ‘actions’ are a political catastrophe.

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    Irving Reply:

    Look, I too kind of think that this was a ‘false flag’. But the fact that ‘false flags’ actually work goes a long way towards confirming the point that admin is making in this post.

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  • Anthony Demarco Says:

    Putting aside the effectiveness argument (which is really the only argument that matters, and on which I agree with you), I simply cannot conceive of this as murder. She was a politician complicit in raining horrific violence down both in her home country and halfway across the world. She supported the utter destruction of native Britons, whether intentionally or through extreme naivete. You’d really have to work hard to convince me that she wasn’t a legitimate target of violence, regardless of when or where she was killed. If war really is the continuation of politics by other means, it seems to me that the logical conclusion is that politicians are enemy combatants. If she had been more self-aware, she’d have hired bodyguards.

    Again, I agree 100% that this in no way helps us, and may have ended any chance of #Brexit (which also brings up uncomfortable Who-Whom false flag likelihood). She got precisely what she deserved. Sow the wind, reap the getting shot in broad daylight on the middle of the street. Unfortunately, William Munny was 100% correct that “deserve’s got nothing to do with it.”

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    From a libertarian perspective any state agent directly complicit in using threats of high-order violence is open season, though most are too scared of losing social acceptability to actually say it.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    The problem IMO isn’t that random loonies kill commies but that responsible, organized men do not jail, deport & execute these trash by the dozen on television.

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    Tom Reply:

    Oh, please. She was, as admin said, an unarmed woman. Arguing over whether or not it’s ‘murder’ (which is not simply synonymous with ‘deliberate killing I don’t like’) is strictly for retards.

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    Anthony Demarco Reply:

    Unarmed like the families she’s responsible for helping kill because of her Syria hawkishness? (Not making a bleeding heart case, just a comparative one.) Her being unarmed doesn’t make her an unacceptable target, it makes her a soft one. Maybe you could honor us with an argument in your next post, since the one above is not one.

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    Anthony Demarco Reply:

    (Side note: the discussion above was under OP’s (and mine, too, DERP) assumption of a political tactic. If it really was just random crazy person, then I change my answer, clearly.)

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    These subhuman trash in the bureaucracies are 10x worse than protection racket heads, also unarmed men-that deserve to be shot unceremoneously & buried in unmarked graves.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Murder means wrongful killing, not ‘unfair fight’. The crimes of these communist scum are public record, there is nothing wrongful about their deaths except the infrequency with which they occur.

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  • smg Says:

    Prior to this event Jeffrey Gundlach predicted Britain would remain.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/15/doublelines-gundlach-sees-brexit-likely-to-fail-despite-lead-in-polls.html

    He’s a pretty dispassionate cookie. My feeling was and is Brits are way to Cucked (much like the Scots) to ever leave. Too risky. Investing emotional energy in either Brexit or a Trump victory is misplaced. The Cathedral will win before it loses, and the only role the alt-right plays in this drama is that of spoiler, underminer, & destroyer. What comes after is important. These events are micro, really.

    “Not all Muslims are Islamists”
    “Not all reactionaries are Nazis”

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  • Nxx Says:

    The left doesn’t support its lunatics but it does ignore them.

    No enemies to the right does not compel us to defend this man.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Then ignore him as the USA media already is…

    They’re not giving much play to violence here other than their own.

    Simple enough: FEAR. It works.

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  • smg Says:

    My point isn’t clear I see. While horrible and regrettable on a human level, this murder is a net positive for political polarization within the UK. The narrative is already forming on the ‘Leave’ side and goes like this:

    Leave voter: “We were polling ahead of Remain until the Cox murder. The media shamelessly used it to smear all Leave voters as psychopaths and haters and that’s why we lost. We would’ve won if media had been unbiased.”

    The Leave voters will be bitter in the same way many on the right in America are perpetually grieved. As an American, I welcome by British cousin into the cracker factory which has no exits. Did Dylan Roof’s murders damage the alt-right? Once you become Hitler there’s no not being Hitler, so, in my opinion, no.

    Murder is bad, though.

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  • Alice Teller Says:

    1) Incontinent anything is worthless.
    2) I, of course, faint in horror at the thought of anyone the SPLC denounces.
    3) A passive approach is precisely what enables those who blame Muslim murderers on law abiding Christians who do not celebrate gay marriage.
    4) How much are you willing to sacrifice in the hope that someday, somewhere, it will pay off?
    5) What evidence is there that, if I am a very good girl, the elite will miraculously turn about and honor the worthy?

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    admin Reply:

    1) Why, yes it is.
    2) Any day the SPLC gets to denounce a political enemy for stabbing an unarmed woman to death in the street is a good day for them.
    3) You think Muslims are winning the propaganda war?
    4) I’m not seeing the ‘sacrifice’ in avoiding rabid stupidity.
    5) Does civilization depend upon the promise of a pat on the head?

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    Alice Teller Reply:

    I am not in favor of either madmen or stabbing anyone, that does not make the SPLC associations correct. They are opportunists who lie, a lot.
    It is not the Muslims who are telling this tale. They seem rather clear on their goals.
    The loss of Europe seems like both rabid stupidity and a sacrifice to me.
    I didn’t ask for a pat on the head, I asked for evidence of the assertion that the worthy will be granted power.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    The SPLC are opportunists, but the Alt-Right has an increasingly terrible habit of providing them with opportunities.

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Michael is essentially right, in essence violence is an invariant part of dispossessing dominant cult-political centers, it requires men that accept they most likely can’t survive every battle.

    michael Reply:

    Maybe but they had to reveal that they have either illegally hacked every right wing website and so could produce half a dozen receipts from this guy from several of these several sites, or that they have special dispensation from the NSA to illegally hack into private files.
    The other question is is there a point at which terrorism starts working, one commie bitch here or there they can handle but what if their was an islamic level of terrorism aimed at the worst of the cathedral.It might make signaling less popular. Or it might make it more popular up to a point the threat became credible. You dont see many Mohamed cartoons anymore thats for sure.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/right-wing-terrorism-as-folk-activism.html

    “What ABB is doing here is, in plain non-Google English, whining. Whining is the act either of a slave, or a bitch. The slave whines to his master. Master, the overseer is beating me! And so, the protected minority whines to the communist judge. Whitey call’ me a bad name! But ABB would be a free man – who, then is he whining to? He’s whining to nobody. He’s whining because, having grown up on heroic Nelson Mandela, he thinks he can free himself and his nation by a combination of (a) whining and (b) mass murder.”

    michael Reply:

    It kind of convenient that a bunch of computer nerds who couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper bag have decided that violence wont work and that if they just wait Davos will eventually call. In the meantime they are being dispossessed at astonishing rates and might not have a decade left.But they are determined to spend it becoming worthy by larping DnD and AI scifi fantasies. THE FACT IS every government change takes place by force violence is exactly how you seize power and those that succeed are by definition worthy.The cathedral is not going to collapse because there money sucks there money is backed by ICBMs mother fucker. they are rough trianglizing islam and the east just fine. They will of course be increasingly administered by gay mullatto muslims and such and computer nerds leashes will certainly be shortened and no more white women for you. apart from that if your good little tech fags they will let you live. On the other hand the cathedral is a muddled mess and could easily be taken over by smart people out thinking them which would at times probably include violence and at a certain point would certainly require that you got the drop on them regarding violent means maybe a coup or new weapon or hack there weapons then incite a mob WTF knows it would depend on how things developed one thing is certain they are not surrendering or collapsing and if it goes on much longer white people and their civilization will not recover. So fag on

    admin Reply:

    Agreed, but it seems, sadly, to have failed to stick. The right seems to be as fixated on the problem-solving power of mob-violence as the left. This whole comment thread is a catastrophe of self-delusion.

    Axel Mckibbin Reply:

    Nick, your looking at this the wrong way. The exact same tactic works for the left and is called the “mutt and jeff act” by Moldbug. The problem isn’t that terrorism occurs. The left terrorizes the right every day. The problem is that the right has a conscience. Conscience makes us weak. The left has killed 94 million human beings and there are still communists in the universities. This is not about violence but the asymmetrical human response to violence. The right has conscience. The left doesn’t. If the right were sufficiently conscience free it could pull off the right wing mutt and jeff act.

    This is about propaganda and weaponized guilt. Never concede an inch. Overwhelm them with propaganda. How many films about the holocaust have been made? How many about communist atrocities? The problem is narrative control. The right must gain total institutional control of TV, Movies, Streaming Services, Courts, Social Media, and eventually universities. OWN THE NARRATIVE. THEN IT WON’T MATTER WHO DIES.

    http://theanti-puritan.blogspot.com/

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    Nietzsche found his mirror in Turin. It was a horse whipped by his master.

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  • Hawk Spitui Says:

    Violence is an intrinsic part of politics. If dead bodies make you squeamish, find another hobby.

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    admin Reply:

    Minimizing politics is the whole of the program.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Right. The problem with Brexit is that it is attempting to exit via politics. Far better that the Brexiters voted with their feet, their money, their resources, their intelligence.

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    michael Reply:

    And go where Rhodesia LA Sweden Cologne and how long will Soros and Obama Clinton permit that? Theres voice exit and fight voice and exit are not options so if you dont like any of the suggested ways of fighting think of ways that will work. you have about aa year and a half,

    rzg Reply:

    “Minimizing politics is the whole of the program.”

    I’ve been following the blog for a while, but I realize only now that Nick Land’s NRx is just another ineffectual, toothless Amish sect. Except none of them have kids.

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    vimothy Reply:

    “Minimizing politics”

    Sounds like an extremely political task.

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    admin Reply:

    Was inventing Bitcoin the execution of “an extremely political task”?

    vimothy Reply:

    Maintaining it evidently is.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    I’m always a bit taken aback by the womanish emotional responses occasionally found on XS. Typically this is a place of sober Gnon worship, but there is an HRx element that can be switched on by certain stimuli — that is, there is an element with insufficient amygdalae. Lots of cringeworthy projection too. Maybe you’d be better off on the Left if Islamo-Commie-BLM tactics excite you.

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  • Foseti Says:

    It’s almost as though right wing activism is bound to fail.

    Where have I heard that before?

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    hcm Reply:

    Trying to remain “respectable” through “principled dissociation” is exactly how we ended up where we are. As things stand, the principles are controlled by the enemy. The principles of restraint and preference for surrender over violence are much the same – enemy devices meant to control you. Your conviction that you have independently come to such an opinion is a feature of their system. Your whole viewpoint is built on a leftist foundation which has been purposefully designed such that anything above it collapses. Violence has a time and place. Perhaps this event was an unfortunate tragedy, but bending over and demanding surrender to the left makes you a worse threat than the lunatics.

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    hcm Reply:

    That comment was meant for the post, not you Foseti. My bad. I can’t navigate a mobile site like this to save my life.

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    admin Reply:

    No one wants to know, apparently.

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  • Matthew Walker Says:

    To the contrary, the left enthusiastically encourages violence in their supporters precisely by incessantly painting opponents as a physical threat, and it’s been a winning strategy for them. Their “non-hydrophobic” supporters aren’t the slightest bit bothered by political violence done in their name. They’ll never lose votes over it.

    Maybe we need to educate our moderates to accept political violence from our side as a mere pardonable excess of zeal, just as the left has done.

    They’re incomparably more successful at achieving their aims. If you want to win, learn from winners.

    I don’t care if this creature got killed, and neither should anybody else. I live in a multicultural empire, and she’s not one of My People. Let her own people worry about her. The winners don’t care when the other guy gets killed. Learn from winners.

    What’s your plan, start a think tank and write some white papers? Rotsa ruck.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    @ Yes, I agree. Being domesticated & legalistic is hovv the vvest vvent soft to begin vvith. Europeans are masters of violence. Time they remembered it.

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    rzg Reply:

    Exactly. I am so surprised that this basic point even needs to be said.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Masters of tactics, fission and fusion. Anyone can do mere violence.

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  • Piglet Says:

    No argument here, of course. This act was terrible, stupid, and counterproductive. But isn’t the key NRX insight that it is also *inevitable* given the nature of democratic politics; it naturally redounds to the benefit of the Left, as all things in such a system do; and there isn’t really anything done about it other than exit. to a place where the uncivilized are put down like dogs. (From that perspective, Brexit isn’t really “exit” per se—its just the same old song, writ a bit smaller, valuable only as a harbinger of better things to come.)

    Right-wing “activism” is just another cog in the infernal machine, and a pretty effective one from the perspective of the machine itself. Until violence has a real chance of winning–not anytime soon–it is of course grossly immoral and stupid.

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  • Dep Says:

    A lot of replies along the lines of “Yes this guy’s an idiot but don’t write off the option of using force”. This is another one.

    Faced with an implacable enemy, an enemy who cannot be reasoned with, who will not compromise and whose programme includes your ultimate destruction, what choice do you have beyond surrender or fight?

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Men have always faced a choice between slavery & death or fighting. Always will.
    In our present situation it’s death or fighting. Open borders is slow genocide.

    NRx deludes itself that one wins by surviving as Courtiers to the Dictator/King they want to replace the present situation. So they believe in “being worthy” and waiting. This is the plan of the medieval ghetto and the Court Jew. It stopped being viable when the specific services prohibited by The Church and also Islam became acceptable practices by others and also the rise of Protestantism removed any practical protections in the West for alien minorities – which is why the Jews returned to Zion: survival. At present given the end of Christian Protestantism and the degeneracy of Liberalism being a protected minority is no longer an option for anyone. As machines can replace men and the Masters now have the soul of Mengele* even abject submission isn’t an option: you can never submit enough to the Left.

    *see macro-economists.

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  • R. J. Moore II Says:

    Except this wasn’t Brexit related, this guy didn’t care about politics, & this bitch was just unlucky – it wasn’t even targeted. You believed 1st reports in the media, you failed.

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  • R. J. Moore II Says:

    The only reason to disavow targeted violence is b/c too many untermenschen can become dangerous pawns when scared & we don’t have the force to put them down. If we could win by combat we should.

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  • VKR Says:

    If we can believe the poll, the propaganda was _not_ effective:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-17/first-brexit-poll-after-jo-cox-death-reveals-stunning-result

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    michael Reply:

    no one [white ]over 30 believes in The Cathedral anymore its ripe for takeover

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Over 30?

    As if under 30 does?

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    michael Reply:

    true my 21 year old prog daughter loves to retort ” why because im white”

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  • Aeroguy Says:

    Admin,
    Do you have it setup on purpose to autoblock links to unqualified reservations?

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    admin Reply:

    Spam filters are twitchy about links — don’t know whether the WP one has a special Moldbug allergy. (Original mail restored now.)

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  • holipopiloh Says:

    You actually fell for *chan alarmism trolling? Really? Weak sauce.
    This is your worst post in months.

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    rzg Reply:

    Worst post in the years I’ve read NRx.

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    admin Reply:

    Most retarded comment thread in the history of this blog, too.

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    Grif Rutledge Reply:

    Second this.

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  • Orthodox Says:

    There is a poll showing massive distrust of authority among Brexit voters, of journalists, politicians and bankers. The old rules no longer apply, the Cathedral has lost Narrative control.

    After Breivik, the right-wing anti-immigrant party increased its vote share. That was as cut and dry as it comes with regards to motive, yet the Right did not suffer for it.

    This type of violence is dyscivic. The Progressives allow lunatics, criminals and lunatic religions to roam free. Nutters can walk up and shoot politicians, Muslim jihadists can hack up people in the street or mow them down in clubs, and the answer from the Cathedral is to put the violence in an ideological container. The entire left-right analysis is inherently left-wing. Trump incites ISIS, so Obama increased the amount of refugees. The Right should be meta, the violence is unacceptable and the Cathedral is doing everything in its power to increase it. We want lunatics locked up as humanely as possible, but nonetheless locked up.

    The Cathedral is falling apart. The threat is not from lunatics with a Nazi book, but the attempt at censorship, to use authoritarian tactics and retake Narrative control.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    “The entire left-right analysis is inherently left-wing. ”

    Stolen. So it is.

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  • spandrell Says:

    Islam seems to encourage their own crazy people to go in murder frenzies and yet Islam’s power has been growing for decades.

    So violence doesn’t seem to matter that much, does it?

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    A sustained campaign of targeted violence is only disadventageous if you are eventually defeated. Otherivvise it is closely linked to political success.

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    admin Reply:

    Islamic civilization is collapsing, and its relative power is falling off a cliff. If not for the insane demographic policies of the West the pattern would be even more obvious. Any modest technologically-capable power could obliterate global Islam in a single afternoon.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    This is true, at least as regards Western (cis-Persian) Islam, it is financially and humanly retarded, it’s a symptom of autoimmune malfunction, not an ‘existential threat’.

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    rzg Reply:

    Uh. Brussels, Sweden, Germany. World census data.

    Islam is spreading at the fastest pace in history, dude. And all of their success is due to uninhibited aggression.

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    Ahote Reply:

    All their success is due to West’s uninhibited lunacy. They are just a tool in leftist arsenal, nothing more.

    rzg Reply:

    Yes, that’s true.

    Opportunities present themselves only to the bold. If Islam was mild, they’d not be useful. Same with BLM, communists, and every other group that’s been winning, and has ever won.

    Ahote Reply:

    Left-wing violence gets rewarded, right-wing violent groups are of no use to the leftist establishment, and will get stomped out. You don’t have friends in high places, thinking that what works for BLM will work for you amounts to a cargo cult.

    rzg Reply:

    And that’s not what I said, either.

    I said that Islam, BLM, etc are relevant to puppetteers only because of their boldness, but this symbiosis clearly works to the benefit of Islam, BLM, etc. Hence the massive success of Islam now.

    Ahote Reply:

    Sorry. You’re right, obviously.
    I thought you were implying, as many often do, that the Right should follow suit.

    admin Reply:

    Don’t be ridiculous. He’s completely wrong (obviously), and degenerating into a nakedly r-selected version of ‘winning’ (lots of idiot kids being taken care of by cuckoo-K-selects).

    rzg Reply:

    I can understand, I never said the opposite either.

    I think the Right should do what the Left have done. In stead of punching Right and doing pointless “disassociation” calls to prove – once and for all! – that we’re not nazis (never works), we should play good cop to the lunatic-activist bad cop.

    rzg Reply:

    (Matthew Walker says it perfectly well, above)

    Ahote Reply:

    @admin

    I didn’t get @rzg as advocating white man’s analogue to Mahometanism. I thought he was claiming that left pushes violent groups, because they benefit from the violence. He appears to be claiming that, and saying that the Right should play dumb when something like this happens.

    rzg Reply:

    You’ve understood me correctly, Ahote.

    There are many successful good-cop-bad-cop examples historically, both Left and Right. It’s not a “Left” thing, or a Muslim thing. It’s a winner thing.

    How many examples are there of winners who did the groveling “I’m not a nazi” dance before the feet of their enemy? I know of zero. I know of lots of disaffected intellectuals who had no viable plan, though.

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Politics is Power and it’s only legitimacy is Force. The rest is Priestery.

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    michael Reply:

    I bet you could give the numbers of men under arms in europe compared to mostly young male muslim immigrants

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  • Augustus Pugin Says:

    Struggling to see a difference between admin’s stance and basic “please don’t hit me too hard Mr. Leftist I’m a ‘passivist’ I swear” hysterical cuckservatism. I think even drawing attention to this murder is losing. You don’t see leftists tying themselves in knots over whether or not they should stop importing muslims en masse after each new atrocity, they’re too busy blaming us. For all the talk of chaos and collapse, you seem to be recoiling when face to face with it.

    I also think passivism was built into neoreaction as a failsafe against these kinds of lunatics, to which cgy could refer, should official charges be brought against him, in order to alleviate himself of any responsibility.

    Good thread though, it really highlights the difference between alt-right and what now constitutes nrx, and why the former absolutely refuses to respect the latter. (not that the latter would want the former’s respect of course) I’ve not seen this much panicked Rightist soul searching since Dylann Roof.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I find it insanely annoying that Cucks talk up the AmRev but aren’t literally shooting at cops already. Fucking faggots and hypocritical covvards.

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    Puzzle Privateer (@PuzzlePrivateer) Reply:

    Don’t shoot cops!

    We need them to defect to our side.

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    anon Reply:

    Agreed.

    admin Reply:

    Don’t do anything a professional cop would be disgusted by.

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    If people had started shooting cops back when they should have – say, 1812 – they’d already be on our side.
    As it is they’re mercenaries of communism & deserve anything they get.

    Chris B Reply:

    Does the guy have a high/crypto-patron that benefits from the violence? No. So stupid. But this is only comprehensible through De Jouvenel’s model, so if you don’t use it, you shouldn’t be claiming passivism.

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    admin Reply:

    The amount of people commenting on this who seem to think the right should be modeling its behavior on leftists and / or Muslims is absolutely mind-melting.

    You’re totally correct that the question defines the difference between NRx and the Alt-Right though.

    After the final clash between incompetent barbarian Muslims, and incompetent-barbarian-Muslim-wannabes, the Chinese are going to end up running everything by default, because they’re the only reservoir of civilization left.

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    anon Reply:

    It’s easy to be surprised by the desire to fight the invasion of our countries when you’re not invested in them with roots or offspring yourself.

    We want this invasion to end, even if it means learning from the winners of our own past before we started losing, and from the winners currently beating the shit out of us.

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    You’re not stupid Nick. Don’t pretend to be. It’s not funny.

    > the Right should play dumb when something like this happens

    but you’re obviously not on the right. Congratulations on moving NRx another mile to the left.

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    Ahote Reply:

    Oh, I’m *obviously* not on the right. How so? Is it because I realize the reality of right-wing powerlessness? LARPing as brownshirt may feel as “making a difference,” but it doesn’t.

    holipopiloh Reply:

    That was directed at Nick Land. You’re a rabbit, so I don’t really care where you stand.

    Ahote Reply:

    Oooh, 3edgy5me are we?

    holipopiloh Reply:

    Is that supposed to be a joke, or are you seriously crying about edginess on the EdgeLord Extraordinaire’s home turf?

    Ahote Reply:

    You quoted “…the Right should play dumb when something like this happens…” from my comment, therefore I (justifiably one might think) thought the second part of your comment was directed at me. I found your subsequent waving away of me funny.

    Mild Troll Reply:

    Because there’s no such thing as the right. Only traditionalist cargo cults.

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    Axel Mckibbin Reply:

    Nobody here cares about morality. If you do then go be a cuck somewhere else. The left WINS. We want to learn from the best. There is a difference between copying tactics vs copying ideology.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    welfare state is breading ground for such violente lunatics. path dependent violence trap, everybody is welcome.

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  • Xoth Says:

    This is best seen as a media spin exercise. For those who want to practice their powers in a safe yet realistic setting, take inspiration from the masterful handling of inexplicable events like Orlando, San Bernardino, Brussels, Bataclan, Dylan Roof, and so on, and see where you can land this thing.

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  • Xoth Says:

    I see no moral obligation of any kind. The alleged perpetrator (not convicted yet) was one of the sad street refuse relentlessly battered by the inhuman globalist policies that are now in force. How could government so capitally fail to care for such apparently fragile citizens while shovelling money on Third World illegal immigrants. This tragedy puts the spotlight on an enormous failure of government policy and the dizzying callousness of officials.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Win Ser Xoth.

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  • Anon Says:

    Nick, you need to update this post with a serious background fact that has just occurred.

    A Pakistani grooming gang has just been sentenced in the same county that this MP was murdered in: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    It’s unknown how many girls were raped, but it must be a large number (look at the investigatory data and the number of interviews made).

    It’s possible there is a connection between the MP murder and these rapes — not that the mainstream media will do much digging on this — but it’s a serious possibility given both the geographical and temporal closeness of these acts.

    I’m not saying it justifies the murder, and I’m not saying the far right activism is in the interests of your blog, but this is an important co-occurring event that people should know about along with the post you’ve made.

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    admin Reply:

    Anyone with any facts about this is, naturally, welcome to add them here.

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    michael Reply:

    Im surprised no one took note of the SPLC giving the brits photocopies of several receipts and subscription forms from various right wing groups fwhich were shown in photos in newspapers meaning they have been hacking into every right wing site and copying private records of citizens around the world pretty fucking illegal and an indication they have an NSA dispensation or hot link

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  • Anon Says:

    @Anon

    Also, I should have been more clear about the number of victims. Saying unknown was incorrect, at least officially. The story says only two victims. Yet the investigation seems to be much, much larger than just two both in the number of statements, the number of perps, and the length of the investigation.

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  • Sidney Carton Says:

    @Admin,
    Off topic, but you must consider the lede here for your next Sentences post:

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/06/17/civilizations-precipice/

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  • NRK Says:

    The bad reception of this post could easily have been prevented with more generous vice/darkness signalling throughout the text. Something something doors swinging both ways.

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    admin Reply:

    Next time I want to pander to a bunch of degenerate murder-monkeys, I’ll recall that advice with gratitude.

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    michael Reply:

    But that was in another country and besides the wench is dead

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  • Dep Says:

    The amount of people commenting on this who seem to think the right should be modeling its behavior on leftists and / or Muslims is absolutely mind-melting.

    You mean, learning from the behaviour of winners?

    In the last century, at least three insurrectionary movements achieved unlikely success against immensely powerful establishments. In every case, a sensible person would have advised restraint, that action would be counter-productive, that now is not the time.

    The Bolsheviks, the FLN and the IRA nevertheless won. You might not want to learn from the winners; but others do.

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    Ahote Reply:

    Tzarist establishment wasn’t powerful, let alone immensely. It relied on the ancient custom of everyone simply accepting the tzarist rule (problem with oriental despotism is that despot’s rule rests solely upon the consent of the governed, despot’s power may seem immense, but it’s very fragile), over 180 million people were policed by less than 6 thousand security personnel (counting both regular police, and the imperial secret service) and, of course, no modern surveillance technology. It was very easy to buy off the demoralized soldiers with German gold. That way a small group of people could take over the entire empire. Such a thing can never happen in a modern leviathan state.

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    admin Reply:

    ‘Winning’ is building a civilization (and then defending it). None of your mentors have anything to teach in that respect.

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    Dep Reply:

    ‘Winning’ is building a civilization

    Mere survival is the imperative now and in that the examples of my ‘mentors’ have a great deal to offer.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    The Soviet Union survived?

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    Dep Reply:

    A 70 year reprieve would be an improvement on what is currently intended for us.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Oh, a reprieve modeled on the USSR. Where do I sign up?

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Violent messages attract unstable people. The opposition then capitalizes on this. We have known for many years that, while Leftism is a constant low-grade mental disturbance, the neo-Nazi wing harbors the mentally unbalanced who tend to do things like shoot up Jewish community centers, beat up and run over African-American indigents, and kill people praying in church.

    There is a different group who understand effective terrorism as guerrilla warfare: Tim McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, Anders Breivik and Varg Vikernes. It perhaps makes sense to understand why those acts were different…

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    For starters, daddy issues.

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  • Don’t conflate Neoreation and Moldbug. – reactionaryfuture Says:

    […] in Neoreaction land, hyper selective quoting of Moldbug leads Land to declare on the back of Moldbug’s article on […]

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  • JRM Says:

    Surprisingly bland article gives birth to interesting comments section.

    It’s obvious the admin is digging his heels in on bland; you warriors aren’t convincing him of anything but his the good sense of his original position.

    Let’s recall (at the risk of being accused of harboring false prophet mentors) that the beloved (by approx. half of the nation) current President described the vandalism and terror of a Dindu mob as “understandable anger”.

    I suppose I could live with that degree of moral condemnation.

    But the admin goes for real hurt when he paints a violent act as “stupid”.

    Now that’s a verdict that can really sting admin’s loyal readers.

    Meanwhile, I have to smile at strategies that, when comparing right and left tactics, get punished for using a left/right model- as if we are voluntarily neutering ourselves for battle by attempting to consult a map before engaging. The army that lost the last war used maps!

    One begins to suspect that admin is simply teasing us.

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    >But the admin goes for real hurt when he paints a violent act as “stupid”.

    >Now that’s a verdict that can really sting admin’s loyal readers.

    You’re an idiot.

    All sides have loons. The real hurt is that instead of wisely ignoring the incident (since he evidently can’t, to borrow rzg’s framing, play good cop to this serendipitous bad cop) Land decided to use a megaphone on behalf of the zombies.

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  • Aristocles Invictvs Says:

    If “winning” means destroying a civilization, then I don’t think I want to win. Too many people with high time preferences commenting here due to the “popular” nature of this event. Is to be expected though…

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Creatures of affect, they heat up along with events.

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    The civilisation in question is already dead, and its remnants are crumbling. Isn’t that (supposedly) a key NRx insight? Isn’t that (supposedly) why this very blog has endorsed numerous times in the past an Accelerationist strategy?

    Taking this (opening) post (along with odd comments like yours) seriously is extremely difficult.

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  • Grif Rutledge Says:

    Violence solves nothing. It is a death spiral and will burn everything it touches.

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    John Morris Reply:

    Ah, the old “Violence doesn’t solve anything” fallacy. Ask Hitler about that. Or Tojo. Or President Jefferson Davis’ Ghost. Yes, violence does solve problems. It certainly eliminates the losing side. Side effects? Often. But the original problem is gone.

    Our problem is we don’t really have violence as a viable option and our enemy does so we have to try to survive and thrive without it. Which is not a good position to be in.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    “Our problem is we don’t really have violence as a viable option and our enemy does so we have to try to survive and thrive without it. ”

    Everyone has violence as a viable option if they are men. Perhaps you mean guaranteed safe and victorious violence? That does not and never will exist.

    Your enemy The Cathedral has limited violence as an option in a heavily armed nation that hates them -even if the term Cathedral is unknown to them that they are enemies is not. Moreover they can’t trust their organs of violence to bring truly effective repression as the Left routinely in fact daily conducts inquisitions and witch-hunts of their organs of force. You may see the current Inquisition in Oakland as an example of what happens all day long to the State’s putative defenders.

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    holipopiloh Reply:

    Excellent platitudes Mr. Rutledge.

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    michael Reply:

    Rutledge thats a quaker name isnt it?

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    michael Reply:

    violence solves everything pal its all there is to solve things. because as long as one person is willing to resort to it [and theres always at least one] then its the only possible response is greater violence. Civilization is founded upon greater violence and every so often needs to organize even greater violence disruptive sure but its literally the cost of doing business

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  • JRM Says:

    If “winning” means destroying a civilization, then I don’t think I want to win. Too many people with high time preferences commenting here due to the “popular” nature of this event. Is to be expected though…
    [Reply]Cryptogenic Reply:June 18th, 2016 at 4:34 pmCreatures of affect, they heat up along with events.
    [Reply]holipopiloh Reply:June 18th, 2016 at 5:18 Taking this (opening) post (along with odd comments like yours) seriously is extremely difficult.
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    Yet here you all are, reading and responding away, some coyly hinting they have more important things to do elsewhere. What are we keeping you from “holi”?

    The whole thing wasn’t complete until someone said “violence never solved anything.” I hope that was a sly comment on the suddenly born-again pacifists here; but if it was intended as un-ironic helpfulness, it at least had the value of elevating admin’s concern that this violence was done to a -horrors!- woman to the next-to-worst banality, and that promotion should be gratefully received.

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  • RiverC Says:

    Lesson:

    Had the killer been part of the party in power, the response would have read:

    If only Brexit had happened sooner, then this violence would not have been provoked among our more emotionally sensitive and vulnerable populations, riled up easily by provocations of multicultural erasure of their traditions and identity by the European Union.

    Then they would have mourned her and steadfastly determined that Brexit was the right way to go and that more Muslims needed to be deported.

    All Passivists know this already, but I’m just sayin’

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  • JRM Says:

    @RiverC

    Congratulations RiverC! You are thinking like a winner.

    I knew if we all kept typing long enough someone would say what the original post *should* have said!

    Well done.

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    Anthony Demarco Reply:

    Alright everyone. Good talk? Good talk.

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  • Slumlord Says:

    @Admin

    The idiots pretending to be your friends will hurt you far more than the idiots on the other side.

    Sigh!

    The idiots pretending to be my friends ARE the other side.
    I’ve been saying this for a while, NRx needs to purge 1488. Socialism for white people is still socialism, with all the intellectual and metaphysical baggage it brings.

    Executive summary.

    European civilisation was a product of Christian culture. (Sorry if you’re an atheist but them’s the reals) In the 19th Century Modernism is born and it morphs basically into two forms.

    Left Modernism, which leads to the mutations of Communism/Socialism
    Right Modernism which leads to the variants of Fascism.

    Right Modernism is modernism in drag. The fight between Fascists and Socialists is a sectarian dispute, the fight between Christianity and Modernism IS the “religious” war of the West. That’s why 1488’s are a trojan horse operation.

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    michael Reply:

    Right Christianity was a fad Christianity is leftist [sorry if youre a christian but it just is] but yes its been a huge part of west civ. Id like to find a way to dafely preserve it and the jews if possible out of respect for that.
    Still theres a much better chance west civ can be rebooted around ethnic rather than christian memes. Where is it written that ethno states must be socialist? Im pretty sure christian states would have a tougher time with socialism as well as rationalism to say nothing of metaphysical baggage .
    I could agree about fascism communism being two strains but your implying that modernity can be wished away is a bridge too far. let me stipulate i would like it i would like to larp around 1900 1600 1300 just not possible God is dead even if hes not scripture is so it amounts to the same it wasnt simply science reason that killed scripture it was the printing press

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    RiverC Reply:

    a 1800 year ‘fad’ tho

    quite a feat!!!

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    Slumlord Reply:

    There is a difference between modernity and modernism and while modernity can’t be washed away, modernism can. I think the “Left” turn of Christianity is modern development bought about principally by Protestantism, the historical violence of the 20th C and the reaction to it, and the anti-Carnal tendencies of Christian thought. It hasn’t helped that the “traditionalist” factions of Christianity have been unable to respond in a meaningful way to the changed circumstance of modern times in a way which is both consistent with the Christian Faith and cognisant of the contemporary real world circumstances. The vacuum in Christian thought by the Right has caused it to drift Left. Personally, I think the most pressing cultural issue in the West at the moment is a corrective Right streamed theology which gives the Church some “Balls”.

    Where is it written that ethno states must be socialist?

    Nowhere. The problem isn’t socialism, it’s modernism. Japan is a well run ethnostate but it’s also dying. Ethnicity provides social cohesion but not the will to live.

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    Chris B Reply:

    @slumlord actually, Christian culture, and what became doctrinally Christian were a product of Roman and European political structures.

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    Slumlord Reply:

    So all those building with Crucifixes on top of them were irrelevant?

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    RiverC Reply:

    I’m sure the Syriac, Arab, Coptic, Ethiopian and Indian Christians agree with Chris B!

    They’re just nodding along at this point, most of what we write is total nonsense.

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  • John Hannon Says:

    Those on the far right who had past dealings with Mair (or “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain,” as he gave his name in court) have emphatically condemned what he did –

    “We don’t endorse murder. Shame on him.”

    – Will Williams from the National Alliance

    “Appalled and sickened.”

    – Alan Harvey, editor of SA Patriot

    Assuming they’re sincere, it shows just how out on the fringe some of the comments here have been.
    All very interesting.

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    michael Reply:

    sincere as obama

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Yes, come to think of it, those words can so easily lend themselves to a sarcastic, mock horrified intonation as to make their sincerity a matter of pure speculation for anyone not knowing the men personally.
    Passivity in action perhaps.

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  • pyrrhus Says:

    Most lunatics, and virtually all mass shooters in the USA, are leftists….and their leaders, like Obama, Clinton, and their servants, are egging them on, not reining them in, with no apparent repercussions….So what’s the point?

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    anon Reply:

    I think the point is that Nick Land doesn’t like white proles, and thinks of white prole violence the way we think of Arab lumpen terrorism. He’s thrilled with the idea of China overtaking the West.

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    admin Reply:

    “He’s thrilled with the idea of China overtaking the West.” — Increasingly so, yes. Colonialization by a superior civilization is a fate profoundly to be wished.

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    anon Reply:

    Oh, I underestimated your hate, you “profoundly wish” for the Chinese to *colonize* the west, no less.

    All right then, how do you imagine that happening?

    admin Reply:

    Sadly, I don’t see it happening. East Asian civilization will skim off all the Occidental human resources worth a damn, and the rest will subside into some kind of socialistic ruin.

    anon Reply:

    That’s a pretty radical vision of the future, probably one of the most distinctive aspects to your thinking, and one that I was not aware of until this point. I expect most of your readers don’t know that this is what you expect and desire. I would suggest that you should elaborate in a blog post, it’s important context for the rest of your views.

    Ahote Reply:

    Well, new civilization probably won’t come from the white man. Current anti-immigrant sentiment comes from “they terk er welfare,” and not some right-wing impulse.

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Chinese culture is not superior, the Vest has just lost that barbaric raider libertarianism that made it violently successful. All men should be both employed and ready to kill, something lost today.

    Ahote Reply:

    So, apparently Brits have begun literally worshiping the NHS.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Every time I see some Britbong bitching about X politician is gonna cut our NHS I hope the island fucking sinks. Sean Gabb is its sole redeeming feature at this point.

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  • Active Measures Says:

    Statement on the Justified Use of Force in Resisting White Genocide

    1. We have determined that genocide is being committed against us. At the current rate a majority of Whites on the planet will have been ethnically cleansed from our homelands in whole or in part by mid-century.

    2. No one has a legal duty to be a victim of genocide. This statement is indisputable as a consequence of natural law.

    3. The jus cogens prohibition against genocide is binding positive international law. It establishes an obligation for its signatory nations to prevent genocide and to punish those who commit genocide within their respective territories.

    4. The signatories to the convention have failed to prevent genocide and have actively participated in it.

    5. Everyone has the universal individual right of self-defence.

    6. Everyone who is being subjected to genocide has the right of individual self-defence and the protected group that is being subjected to genocide has the right of group defence.

    7. The right of self-defence includes the use of force up to and including the use of lethal force and this right supersedes all statutory and constitutional laws of the nations in which the genocide is taking place.

    8. The right of self-defence in cases where genocide is occurring or likely to occur includes the acquisition and use of defensive arms without limitation.

    9. Perpetrators of genocide and their accomplices have no legal right to safety.

    10. Any and all attempts by any party to prevent or otherwise interfere with these rights are participating in the genocide and therefore the use of force up to and including the use of lethal force against them is justified.

    11. The laws of warfare including the Geneva Conventions do not apply to cases where the victims of genocide are exercising their right of self-defence.

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  • Chris B Says:

    @slumlord look at Christian history. The Roman emperors put down strains of Christianity which bothered them, and promoted those that were beneficial. Same in the feudal era with prots. Same now. Just look at the pope dancing to the international communities boundaries. Just look at the state churches being turned into diversitytopia. Power above culture. Christianity is not exempt.

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  • Xoth Says:

    Meanwhile:

    AG Loretta Lynch: Orlando gunman’s motive may never be known

    JUNE 21, 2016, 3:27 PM | After meeting with prosecutors, first responders and victims of the Orlando terror attack, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said that the investigation is still ongoing, and a motive has yet to be established. CBS News justice reporter Paula Reid joins CBSN with the latest details.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/ag-loretta-lynch-orlando-gunmans-motive-may-never-be-known/

    That’s how you do it, pencilnecks.

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    anon Reply:

    Imagine if Lorette Lynch got up there and said “this happened because of Leftist ideology. We need to publicly distance ourselves from the wrong kind of Leftist ideology”.

    She won’t do that, because she’s not been programmed by a right-wing press to self-sabotage.

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  • whatwedontknow Says:

    As someone who suffers from constant supernova-strength rage eruptions, I might be a bit hypocritical to condemn someone who was finally unable to resist such outbursts.
    War is not hard to control. It’s impossible to control. And some conflicts can only be settled by war.

    To be fair she didn’t seem ALL bad from the media reports, just an overdose of do-good-ism and feelgooditis.

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  • aristocalypse Says:

    Land, you should get a person to delete and block proles from your web-sites.

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    admin Reply:

    The most stubborn potty-mouthed commentators here right now are not stupid people. The’re just obstreperous. Unfortunately, if they value their obstreperousness more than the invitation to comment here, and refuse to demonstrate even minimal civility and simple respect for the rest of the XS commentariat, they will eventually end up being chopped. My patience is not infinite.

    They actually vindicate the fake Cathedral narrative that PC mind-control is mere politeness, by exhibiting a complete lack of self-control, and melting-together crime-think with gutter rhetoric. It’s annoying.

    Your irritation on the point is appreciated.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I’ve been reading Nietzsche since I vvas 11, I’ve read everything by Ludvvig von Mises, been through almost all of MM’s posts and every single audio book/lecture on Mises, just to list the most typical ‘canon’ for NRx’rs. I’m not a ‘prole’, I’m just not a soft-sell faggot like you middle-class nerds.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    The idea that the AltRight has anything to do vvith either my ideas or my language is preposterous, in fact the elitism you’re pushing isn’t aristocratic but typical bourgeosie tone policing.

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    admin Reply:

    Unlike you, I’m not interested in chucking bourgeois civility in the trash.

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    Posted on June 29th, 2016 at 2:06 am Reply | Quote
  • Moldbug and HRx | froudesociety Says:

    […] The best example is the spittle flicked invective of the paccifisists mourning the death of the eternally immolating Jo Cox. In almost every last concurring opinion was a mention of the loathsome dimness of the […]

    Posted on July 31st, 2016 at 2:34 am Reply | Quote
  • Dick Wagner Says:

    Almost 200 comments and Admin acts like the Violence Question is an open-and-shut case.

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    Posted on September 10th, 2016 at 7:16 pm Reply | Quote

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