“What if our instinctive response is War Mr. Land? We don’t know it rationally but we’ve already started fighting. ”

Now I’m teasing Mr. Land a bit about AI and the Singularity.

But what if the 20th century wars are our instinctive response to mechanization?
Not Luddite justifications, what if this is our instincts? Which count more for in action than all rationalizations and philosophies. Our instincts trump when life’s margins get tighter.

Have we been witnessing our first response to machines? Which one must admit has been exceptionally destructive. Our normal instinct is to smash those or perhaps THAT which does us wrong. It’s what we are, who we are.

It’s a question, not an agenda.

As to what I really want, if by above you mean me, no.

I want to perform the First Duty of removing the insane and evil from power.

All other considerations are far subordinate to the First Duty.

As to the follow on govt a restoration. Least cost path, the legitimate government is already sitting [powerless now] at it’s desks.

As to after that I think Americans above all peoples need a Frontier and we should go UP into space and colonize it, infinite room for all our faults there…and I agree with Musk on spreading the species.

So no I don’t want to return to an agrarian paradise etc. I have worked on farms and am well aware this isn’t the case.

However see First Duty.

As to Capital it’s recent behavior indicates we have at least a personnel problem and need to clean house on that score. But not so we can all be Farmers, but so we can do anything but be debtors.

For Mark This: our actual politics now is Debt, our parties are Debtors and Debt Collectors and we are fatally intertwined. We just haven’t felt the noose tighten yet, it’s quite present already. That will cause the death of the 20th century at last. And to wit see First Duty.

You seem to be implying a war between proletariat luddites against capitalists and their machines. But how would proletariats become luddites when the masses depend on the machines for their continued existence. If the machines are destroyed the mass majority of humanity dies with it. Luddites are ultimately incompatible with populism (just as you can’t get people to commit suicide but instead kill others, they won’t break their own machines, just other people’s machines, the technology itself perseveres). What you’re really wanting are self sufficient subsistence farmers becoming self styled saviors of humanity willing to kill most of humanity for the sake of saving it, warring against the machines and the vast bulk of humanity (this includes working class rednecks) that depend on machines for survival. Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me.

Just as agrarian civilizations can’t go back to the comparatively eden like hunter gather tribes, neither can industrial or post-industrial civilization go back to agrarian civilization. There is a technological ratchet effect in place. To get what you want requires destroying the ratchet so thoroughly that everyone is literally thrown back to the bronze age. What I find particularly detestable about the whole thing is the universalist nature of the thing, everyone gets thrown back. The very existence of just one first foundation style antiversity preserving itself through such a cataclysm undermines very purpose of trying to destroy the ratchet.

What if the Industrial Age Wars are the beginning of our response to being increasingly mechanized? Remember how important not just natural resources but the increase of farmland for the German peasant was to the Nazis, the East was always their main goal. The War in the West was to defeat England to the point where they’d stay off the Continent and let Hitler expand into Lebensraum.

What if our response to being mechanized and now one might argue digitized [technology age succeeding the Industrial Age] is War?

What’s the complaint with Capital? That it dehumanizes us into asset classes. What’s the point of Capital? It seems to be building more machines.

What if our instinctive response is War Mr. Land? We don’t know it rationally but we’ve already started fighting.

It means we’ve got the jump on your Singularity Intelligence AI by some decades.

This isn’t to say that biological life has no other possible niches, I’m just sick to death of people who insist on strategies that make humans parasites on the machines. Humans are going to have to deal with malthusian pressure again.

“Anything that relaxes Malthusian pressure does make people stupid”

Which is why we who respect intelligence and order celebrate the return of the dark gods who will grind us into dust.

1. Culling out ‘unwanteds’ directly will mean killing individuals within families. The feedback from this is terrible in elephants, worse in humans.
2. Humans can kill other humans if need be, but the ability to do so without significant scarring is an unusual trait that may also come along with other unwanted traits.
3. The political drive can easily override the survival drive re: ‘who is unwanted’ and hijack the process to mark political opponents, rather than ‘low quality excess people’ for being junked. The result will not be eugenic.

The current hack is to try to non-produce (through birth control and infanticide) but the result is not eugenic; because of the city-dynamic Franklin identified: cities attract smart and able people. Cities suppress their desire to reproduce (via higher costs, etc.) birth control now gives said intelligent people a solution to not-reproducing other than abstinence.

The original eugenics people tried mechanical solutions to the dysgenic problem (which was, admittedly, at the time not as bad as they thought) – which turns out to be horribly naive. Human reflexivity almost ensures that such simple methods will backfire. (Consider for instance the average IQ of a Jew or an officer in WW2 and think of how badly the Nazi eugenic program backfired in a general and even specific sense.)

There must be something more complex to intelligence… why does it seem that with the 20th century all realistic long term strategizing went out the window?

And our Military situation is the Pacific Fleet in 1941: gauntlet thrown down awaiting 1st blow. Recommend maximum resiliency. In DR terms.

@VXXC2014 Recommend maximum resiliency. In DR terms. DR is Disaster Recovery, you can research it’s an established industry.

OK Admin et al warning delivered, duty done. available on twitter of course.

Now understand The American Internal Arms Race means one thinks in military terms of politics or not at all. We’re all the same to Progs so we’re all in this together.