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		<title>By: Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Modified</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-52547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Modified]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2014 17:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Outside in preemptive disillusionment with Indian reaction in power is already on record. Nevertheless, this is going to be big. Over half a billion people went to the polls to make it [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Outside in preemptive disillusionment with Indian reaction in power is already on record. Nevertheless, this is going to be big. Over half a billion people went to the polls to make it [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Contemplationist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-47855</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Contemplationist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 16:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s clear a few misconceptions first.
Modi is, economically speaking, just an honest technocrat who you could place
as a true believer in Roosevelt&#039;s cabinet (who would perhaps resign later due to the dishonesty of the
FDR regime). His lexicon does not contain &#039;privatization&#039; and &#039;deregulation.&#039; In Gujarat, he 
has advanced modernization by sheer force of will and the political genius of his handymen 
in bending the bureaucrats to his will with few (if any) legislative repeals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s clear a few misconceptions first.<br />
Modi is, economically speaking, just an honest technocrat who you could place<br />
as a true believer in Roosevelt&#8217;s cabinet (who would perhaps resign later due to the dishonesty of the<br />
FDR regime). His lexicon does not contain &#8216;privatization&#8217; and &#8216;deregulation.&#8217; In Gujarat, he<br />
has advanced modernization by sheer force of will and the political genius of his handymen<br />
in bending the bureaucrats to his will with few (if any) legislative repeals.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-47777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 12:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True.  The Jews fought their first struggle over this issue when the Balfour Declaration was being drafted and passed around among all the interested Jewish parties. Eventually they revised the Balfour Declaration to say that Jews have a right to rule Israel, but they also have a right to live wherever else they want without interference.  Rich diaspora Jews never intended to make aliyah. They liked having their sacred hide-hole, while living as a protected species i the West.

The Indians have not given a good deal of thought to this problem.  The author of the Quartz article, however,  suggests what the Hindu escape clause may be: &quot;holy lands&quot; that should be ruled by their &quot;holy people&quot;: Hindus rule India, Jews/Christians rule Jerusalem, and Muslim rule Mecca. Since America is only &quot;holy&quot; to the Indians (feather, not dot)  everyone else should be equal and therefore white Americans have no right to discriminate against Indians (dot, not feather).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.  The Jews fought their first struggle over this issue when the Balfour Declaration was being drafted and passed around among all the interested Jewish parties. Eventually they revised the Balfour Declaration to say that Jews have a right to rule Israel, but they also have a right to live wherever else they want without interference.  Rich diaspora Jews never intended to make aliyah. They liked having their sacred hide-hole, while living as a protected species i the West.</p>
<p>The Indians have not given a good deal of thought to this problem.  The author of the Quartz article, however,  suggests what the Hindu escape clause may be: &#8220;holy lands&#8221; that should be ruled by their &#8220;holy people&#8221;: Hindus rule India, Jews/Christians rule Jerusalem, and Muslim rule Mecca. Since America is only &#8220;holy&#8221; to the Indians (feather, not dot)  everyone else should be equal and therefore white Americans have no right to discriminate against Indians (dot, not feather).</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-47526</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 03:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s pretty much inevitable. The literacy rate is 56% for the entire population of Pakistan. But for those under 24 it&#039;s 70%. That means the overall literacy rate is probably going rise 14 points (at least) over the next generation or two. Meanwhile family sizes are falling, nutrition is improving and kids are exposed to way more intellectual stimuli from computers and cellphones. The Flynn Effect is worth about 0.5 points/year in garden-variety emerging markets, so it could be more than that in Pakistan.

There&#039;s something else I&#039;ve been thinking about: In societies where smart women are still compelled to have nearly as many babies as dumb ones (as is the case in much of the muslim world), in theory there should be less erosion in genotypic IQ. Seems to me that factor could be at work in Pakistan too but I don&#039;t want to push that concept too hard as I may be wrong.

Anyway, by my calcs, Pakistan&#039;s phenotypic IQ rose from 70 in 1980 to about 92 today (taking 2002 as the benchmark year and not re-basing).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty much inevitable. The literacy rate is 56% for the entire population of Pakistan. But for those under 24 it&#8217;s 70%. That means the overall literacy rate is probably going rise 14 points (at least) over the next generation or two. Meanwhile family sizes are falling, nutrition is improving and kids are exposed to way more intellectual stimuli from computers and cellphones. The Flynn Effect is worth about 0.5 points/year in garden-variety emerging markets, so it could be more than that in Pakistan.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something else I&#8217;ve been thinking about: In societies where smart women are still compelled to have nearly as many babies as dumb ones (as is the case in much of the muslim world), in theory there should be less erosion in genotypic IQ. Seems to me that factor could be at work in Pakistan too but I don&#8217;t want to push that concept too hard as I may be wrong.</p>
<p>Anyway, by my calcs, Pakistan&#8217;s phenotypic IQ rose from 70 in 1980 to about 92 today (taking 2002 as the benchmark year and not re-basing).</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-47210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 14:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Acknowleding the real problems would be step up for almost every country today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acknowleding the real problems would be step up for almost every country today.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogospheroid</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-46986</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blogospheroid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 06:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not banned. There is a weird import certificate like regulation going on where you have to export a certain amount of jewelery to import a certain amount of bullion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not banned. There is a weird import certificate like regulation going on where you have to export a certain amount of jewelery to import a certain amount of bullion.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogospheroid</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-46977</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 05:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[India is, in a way, a society overoptimized for the agricultural era. The rigid caste system is a way to allocate labour when things are not really changing at all, technology wise or population wise. And India did pretty well till the industrial revolution. 

The population explosion and the industrial revolution  that occurred in the last two centuries have radically changed the shape of society in a way that the leaders have not really confronted properly. It&#039;s not like the economic viewpoint is alien to indians. The arthashastra by kautilya is quite decent on many aspects of political economy, and it was written at the time of Alexander. The RSS and other hindutva orgs formally do not recognise the caste system. But they&#039;re in no hurry to marry off their relatives to people from other castes.  Another place where formailism might actually be of some benefit.

The independence movement was too much tainted by socialist ideas and that essentially led to the 65 year stagnation of current independent india. Rajagopalachari and Gandhi had suggested an apprenticeship/worksmanship program combined with basic primary education as a way to educate the masses. This was rejected soundly because it stank of perpetuation of the caste system and India went in for an english liberal university system. Aah.. the pain of counterfactuals..

The really huge issues for India, today are the allocation of a vast number of unskilled workers away from agriculture and managing the sex ratio. Many have prophesised that the caste system will die soon due to lack of marriageable girls from certain castes. We&#039;ll see. I don&#039;t think Modi is going to affect the big picture much, though he may start acknowledging the real problems, which is a step up for India.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India is, in a way, a society overoptimized for the agricultural era. The rigid caste system is a way to allocate labour when things are not really changing at all, technology wise or population wise. And India did pretty well till the industrial revolution. </p>
<p>The population explosion and the industrial revolution  that occurred in the last two centuries have radically changed the shape of society in a way that the leaders have not really confronted properly. It&#8217;s not like the economic viewpoint is alien to indians. The arthashastra by kautilya is quite decent on many aspects of political economy, and it was written at the time of Alexander. The RSS and other hindutva orgs formally do not recognise the caste system. But they&#8217;re in no hurry to marry off their relatives to people from other castes.  Another place where formailism might actually be of some benefit.</p>
<p>The independence movement was too much tainted by socialist ideas and that essentially led to the 65 year stagnation of current independent india. Rajagopalachari and Gandhi had suggested an apprenticeship/worksmanship program combined with basic primary education as a way to educate the masses. This was rejected soundly because it stank of perpetuation of the caste system and India went in for an english liberal university system. Aah.. the pain of counterfactuals..</p>
<p>The really huge issues for India, today are the allocation of a vast number of unskilled workers away from agriculture and managing the sex ratio. Many have prophesised that the caste system will die soon due to lack of marriageable girls from certain castes. We&#8217;ll see. I don&#8217;t think Modi is going to affect the big picture much, though he may start acknowledging the real problems, which is a step up for India.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-46921</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 03:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SOARING my ass. Sources on that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOARING my ass. Sources on that?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/meanwhile-in-india/#comment-46905</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 02:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A fascinating angle on the topic, certainly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating angle on the topic, certainly.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 02:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The optimate side of the Indian elite is excellent, but its left-Brahmin side is radically repulsive -- perhaps the only group in the world who can give lessons in sanctimony to Harvard witch-hunters. Also, the bottom 60% of the population is probably beyond salvage (maybe competent for menial labor, if stripped of the right to vote the country into accelerating collapse).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The optimate side of the Indian elite is excellent, but its left-Brahmin side is radically repulsive &#8212; perhaps the only group in the world who can give lessons in sanctimony to Harvard witch-hunters. Also, the bottom 60% of the population is probably beyond salvage (maybe competent for menial labor, if stripped of the right to vote the country into accelerating collapse).</p>
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