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		<title>By: Mises, the liberal : Anarcho-Monarchism</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mises, the liberal : Anarcho-Monarchism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 18:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] and neoreactionaries all) is being talked about extensively at the moment (see here, here, and here).  Of course, this is nothing new.  Peter Viereck disliked Manchester liberalism, writing in [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and neoreactionaries all) is being talked about extensively at the moment (see here, here, and here).  Of course, this is nothing new.  Peter Viereck disliked Manchester liberalism, writing in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75489</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah Progress, so its to be a stool then.
and how exactly does that differ from neo jeffersonionism ?
so are we too keep the throne and alters because we would be lonely without them or is there another reason.
It seems to me Christianity is what done her in. now Im as nostalgic for the Tridentine rite and Round Table as the next guy but if you&#039;re trying to build a civilization from scratch using as many parts from the one that fell apart as possible ..., ARGHH%#^&amp; where to start
IT WONT WORK besides the wench is dead!
Capitalism and HBD thats the foundation its a man not a stool it stands on two not three legs.now you turn to the enlightenment vs tradition you dont throw out reason because it overthrew tradition you fix it , all men are obviously not created equal but of course they knew that only a few got to vote in that republic so what happened was it democracy or too varied a citizenry was it the vast landscape the level of technology the judaic religion dig down thats what you clever quants are good at. enough with the D and D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Progress, so its to be a stool then.<br />
and how exactly does that differ from neo jeffersonionism ?<br />
so are we too keep the throne and alters because we would be lonely without them or is there another reason.<br />
It seems to me Christianity is what done her in. now Im as nostalgic for the Tridentine rite and Round Table as the next guy but if you&#8217;re trying to build a civilization from scratch using as many parts from the one that fell apart as possible &#8230;, ARGHH%#^&amp; where to start<br />
IT WONT WORK besides the wench is dead!<br />
Capitalism and HBD thats the foundation its a man not a stool it stands on two not three legs.now you turn to the enlightenment vs tradition you dont throw out reason because it overthrew tradition you fix it , all men are obviously not created equal but of course they knew that only a few got to vote in that republic so what happened was it democracy or too varied a citizenry was it the vast landscape the level of technology the judaic religion dig down thats what you clever quants are good at. enough with the D and D</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75483</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OH GOD there volumes written about the motivation of charity from Theresa Avila to Mother Theresa and from every perspective imaginable trust me altruism can be not selfless]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH GOD there volumes written about the motivation of charity from Theresa Avila to Mother Theresa and from every perspective imaginable trust me altruism can be not selfless</p>
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		<title>By: scientism</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scientism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if you&#039;re wrong about the line? What&#039;s the litmus test? Technology?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you&#8217;re wrong about the line? What&#8217;s the litmus test? Technology?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brett Stevens: &quot;On the other hand, if we impose too much of that culture through religion, it is likely that this will create an alienated group who find religion preposterous and also make religion itself a target for manipulation because it is inevitably centralized. The “Pope model” is dead, killed by advances in social manipulation.&quot;

Please elaborate, and please email me to make sure I see your reply.  I&#039;ve been toying with an essay on &quot;How much can we copy from the Mormons?&quot;, &quot;we&quot; being groups like the Ethical Culture Society, the Cult of Gnon, etc., who are trying to create a non-preposterous &quot;religion&quot;.  Part of my view is that the Catholics and Mormons are &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; vulnerable to manipulation precisely because of their non-democratic (&quot;centralized&quot;) polity.  Note that Moldbug specifically identified Richard Dawkins as a &quot;Protestant&quot; atheist.

If the &quot;Pope model&quot; is dead (moral philosophy being done by professionals who are deliberately isolated from public opinion), you will save me a great deal of embarrassment if you can explain the error to me before I write more on this topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brett Stevens: &#8220;On the other hand, if we impose too much of that culture through religion, it is likely that this will create an alienated group who find religion preposterous and also make religion itself a target for manipulation because it is inevitably centralized. The “Pope model” is dead, killed by advances in social manipulation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please elaborate, and please email me to make sure I see your reply.  I&#8217;ve been toying with an essay on &#8220;How much can we copy from the Mormons?&#8221;, &#8220;we&#8221; being groups like the Ethical Culture Society, the Cult of Gnon, etc., who are trying to create a non-preposterous &#8220;religion&#8221;.  Part of my view is that the Catholics and Mormons are <i>less</i> vulnerable to manipulation precisely because of their non-democratic (&#8220;centralized&#8221;) polity.  Note that Moldbug specifically identified Richard Dawkins as a &#8220;Protestant&#8221; atheist.</p>
<p>If the &#8220;Pope model&#8221; is dead (moral philosophy being done by professionals who are deliberately isolated from public opinion), you will save me a great deal of embarrassment if you can explain the error to me before I write more on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: chris b</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75102</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Peter A. Taylor &lt;/strong&gt;
It&#039;s more a case of trying to get the trad reaction side of things to see capitalism as less about greed and bankers and all that nonsense, and more as a vital force which is inherent in humanity, as opposed to trying to accommodate people being unreasonable, because I don&#039;t think they are being unreasonable per se, just not seeing it from the correct angle. But your points are valid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Peter A. Taylor </strong><br />
It&#8217;s more a case of trying to get the trad reaction side of things to see capitalism as less about greed and bankers and all that nonsense, and more as a vital force which is inherent in humanity, as opposed to trying to accommodate people being unreasonable, because I don&#8217;t think they are being unreasonable per se, just not seeing it from the correct angle. But your points are valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Orthodox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthodox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole point of  capitalism and free markets is that the economy reflects the choices of the people. The solution to the problem of an insufficiently Christian society (if that&#039;s your thing) is not government intervention in the economy, but exclusion of non-Christians from the society. Why would an European Jew be opposed to that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of  capitalism and free markets is that the economy reflects the choices of the people. The solution to the problem of an insufficiently Christian society (if that&#8217;s your thing) is not government intervention in the economy, but exclusion of non-Christians from the society. Why would an European Jew be opposed to that?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s always a religious element (in anything worth fighting for).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s always a religious element (in anything worth fighting for).</p>
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		<title>By: E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/mises-or-jesus/#comment-75098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the dread of giving up &#039;capitalism&#039; is so strong, maybe there&#039;s a religious element.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the dread of giving up &#8216;capitalism&#8217; is so strong, maybe there&#8217;s a religious element.</p>
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		<title>By: chris b</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@&lt;/strong&gt; That was for @admin actually.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@</strong> That was for @admin actually.</p>
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