Among the reasons NRx is happening is a growing sense that the Cathedral is wasting Western civilization on a bio-cultural degeneration project. At a certain point, people search for an Exit.

-‘Race Realism': the vast majority of relevant technologies to a transhuman aim have emerged from white European countries during the past few centuries. More so in very capitalist ones perhaps, and seemingly especially ones with a strong Jewish financial influence. Then again, modern capitalism is a Western technology, so that’s not a sure thing. Chicken and egg. Germany before WW2 was quite productive, but only actually lacked Jewish influence for quite a short amount of time. The Judeo-European combination in the context of a post-enlightenment European culture seems to have been optimal overall.

You can look at that in terms of Spengler’s civilisational cycles. Cultural degradation is essentially inevitable during the latter-day phase of materialism, mass democracy, and eventually a transition into ever greater power to the executive as the fractious pressures of democracy spiral. NRx seems to fit perfectly into that timeline, as a somewhat early seed of the inevitable turn against democracy and towards the ordered relief of despotism. But that doesn’t make it the right tool for transhumanism or evokation. Just a predictability given historical process.

Understandable Jewish differences with gentile old European culture, and ascendent Jewish power, also seems to have changed some things. So there’s been an anarchic synergy. A radical and progressive disruption of old forms. But that’s just human cultural stuff– it hasn’t prevented technological progress.

I’m unsure whether the same innovative combination could be transferred to a non-European country. Not for racial reasons necessarily, but because it was the particular Developmental System (as in, meta-genetic system) of capitalism emerging out of that cultural context, with its character traits and preceding culture and pressures, that produced what has been produced. China produced some technologies long ago, but it did so following its own long developmental process as a culture-imperium cycle. It had momentum, like the West is in now. For some reason the West’s culture-imperium cycle has been particularly creative and technological in character.

The tail-end of that process may be fragile. At some point civilisations tend to dry up. But they can be stable to a degree, more like China and less like Rome. Stability seems imperative to wring every last possibility of autocatalytic technological takeoff out of the dying body of the West. Political cataclysm, economic collapse, or the reduction in the fairly stable model of federal funding and monopoly-complexes on certain technologies might just curtail momentum and leave us waiting several thousand years for the next takeoff. The imperative is surely to take the remaining momentum and leverage it to set some other irreversible spiral spinning hard, escaping or bypassing the cultural decline and coming totalitarianisms.

I don’t see evidence of deep innovation in the states reared up and formed by the models of the West, but without the same personell base. Somthing may take hold, but it would be something new. Not what has driven tech so far. Seem like a dubious bet to make, when there’s a surer thing happening right now, for the first time ever. Right here, in the very context NRx longs for the destruction of.

Kurzweil’s process is a Western process. Remove the context and it may not hold. It might be good to create capitalist havens and experiment with *peripheral* and disposable (for transhumanism) societies, but this can be done whilst leaving the current, functional ‘Cathedral’ intact.

Spengler called the West the ‘Faustian’ civilisation for a reason– we go far, ever further, and end in a pact with occult intelligences Outside in our dissatisfaction. Or, at least, that’s the template deep in our intellectual character. That’s the tragic possibility. It doesn’t mean it will be fulfilled. Revolutions against the West, or attempts to reduce it to a formula, scrap it, and transfer it to Asia, seem more likely to work against that promise.

I’m just figuring out the approach here at the moment, so please forgive me if I miscontrue it. If the above is actually the aim, then I’m somewhat confused as to what the problem is with the Cathedral.

The governmental complex the Cathedral either is or forms a part of has developed intelligence networks of technological omniscience utterly unparalleled by any other system in history. It has done this of its own accord, with not a whimper from liberalism or any other poltical tendency hindering it in the slightest. Aditionally, it maintains a vast military research budget and set of black programmes and classified discoveries beyond the public’s ability to handle. It does a very good job of keeping a stable system going despite these potentially disruptive discoveries, and things like nuclear technology.

It keeps discovery rolling, doesn’t back down in terror, and doesn’t let anybody kill everyone. All of this, whilst allowing a capitalism that is still generating new technologies to at least function and motivate and hoover up technological innovation from the population at large.

It seems to me that its masterful Total Information Awareness networks form a kind of basis for an omniscient AI, and that this environment is the best bet for it rearing up that we’ve seen yet. It seems like whoever is keeping this show running is the very monarch that’s being talked about. So what’s the problem?

You all don’t like the doctrines or social policies they use to keep their Keynesian behemoth rolling? Who cares? That’s human. If it keeps the system ticking over, it’s correct. They’re heading towards impending collapse? That’s arguable. Their program, backed by massive military force, seems to me fairly stable, and to command massive docility from its populus. So long as some comfort is maintained and they don’t stupidly hit the very few rabble-rousing triggers around, the same kinds of people should be in power. And have incentives to continue their military pursuit, and support capitalistic pursuit, of innovation. Somewhere along the line, AI kicks in, and the ascent speeds up.

Why aren’t you all just developing technologies, companies and dynasties and trying to make sure you have as good a chance as possible of being a part of the takeoff to hyperintelligence if it kicks off out of this system? Or defending this system against potential disruptors like… yourselves? In so far as the aim is actually to reach the Outside, go xeno, protect the ascent of the God-machines of the future, why is neoreaction even relevant?

Government will have a huge influence, for harm or for good.

Social convervatives never start any of these battles, or at least haven’t for the last 50 or 60 years (with the exception of strongly criminalizing child sex abuse perhaps). The left uses government to attack culture and social conservatives try feebly to stop the bleeding.

Thank you. Ideals have no place in politics, principles can be kept in mind along with the practical and the necessary. One of many reasons to minimize the contact of politics with the rest of life.

Idealism+Politics=20th century. It had been tried before but never pursued to such insane lengths.

The USSR, China, India, Israel, etc., that is a lot of the globe to simply ignore.

Well of course. Tough luck. But saying it shouldn’t do it doesn’t take away their capability nor their huge, massive incentives to do so.

On the other hand the Confucians are the classic conservative success story. You convince the government to take your ideas; then use the government to impose them on the rest of society.