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		<title>By: We&#8217;re all Atlanteans here &#124; The Mitrailleuse</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-91596</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We&#8217;re all Atlanteans here &#124; The Mitrailleuse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 21:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] connections it makes are frankly disturbing to this blog, whose pro-capitalist, post-libertarian, and general Atlantean sympathies have been pushed as hard as realistically [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] connections it makes are frankly disturbing to this blog, whose pro-capitalist, post-libertarian, and general Atlantean sympathies have been pushed as hard as realistically [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Freedoom (Prelude-1a)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-76007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Freedoom (Prelude-1a)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2014 15:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] capital establishes itself as the competitively-superior solution to prior purposes (production of human use-values), and the intelligenic order in which it accomplishes its self-escalation [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] capital establishes itself as the competitively-superior solution to prior purposes (production of human use-values), and the intelligenic order in which it accomplishes its self-escalation [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: An attempt at defining neoreactionaryism &#124; The New International Outlook</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-55964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[An attempt at defining neoreactionaryism &#124; The New International Outlook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 22:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] painfully obvious that Progress IS Capitalism (which is also as Land has pointed out-  ultimately the genesis of artificial intelligence). Capitalism makes people wealthier, speeds technology, improves food productions, improve [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] painfully obvious that Progress IS Capitalism (which is also as Land has pointed out-  ultimately the genesis of artificial intelligence). Capitalism makes people wealthier, speeds technology, improves food productions, improve [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: AI and Capitalism &#124; The New International Outlook</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-54722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AI and Capitalism &#124; The New International Outlook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2014 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] however, most seem to only dimly see the significance of this split. Nick Land has been making statements along these lines, but I am not sure it has been fully [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] however, most seem to only dimly see the significance of this split. Nick Land has been making statements along these lines, but I am not sure it has been fully [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: To Mayberry, Minerva, or the Matrix? &#124; The Ümlaut</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-34542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[To Mayberry, Minerva, or the Matrix? &#124; The Ümlaut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] historiography and neocameralist future thought-experiment are two sides of the same &#8220;Janus-faced,&#8221; as Land puts it, construction, and the latter needn&#8217;t necessarily involve restoring [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] historiography and neocameralist future thought-experiment are two sides of the same &#8220;Janus-faced,&#8221; as Land puts it, construction, and the latter needn&#8217;t necessarily involve restoring [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Romantic Delusion</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-34219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Romantic Delusion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] reduced to an ideal subordination of means to already-publicized ends. As a result, means-end reversal (Modernity) is merely denounced as an aesthetic-moral affront, without any serious attempt at deep [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] reduced to an ideal subordination of means to already-publicized ends. As a result, means-end reversal (Modernity) is merely denounced as an aesthetic-moral affront, without any serious attempt at deep [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Economic Ends</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-32722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outside in - Involvements with reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Economic Ends]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] controversy are marked by this Michael Anissimov post at More Right (among others), and this post here (among others). Much other relevant writing on the topic within the reactosphere strikes me as [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] controversy are marked by this Michael Anissimov post at More Right (among others), and this post here (among others). Much other relevant writing on the topic within the reactosphere strikes me as [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-29594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Blogospheroid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blogospheroid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi RSP,

Sorry for the delay in answering. Real life intervened.

Does the spider have a choice? Does it have the intelligence to choose bigger prey? Are there larger animals that trigger the same reaction in the mega spider as the fly does in the spider? There are examples of lower animals moving towards super-stimuli, moths towards a flame. I am not an expert at biology and can&#039;t say. 

However, please consider the situation of a designed AI where everything it does is to satisfy its value function, its goal. Its every next step is to satisfy the value function. If it concocts a new way of thinking that can greatly improve its efficiency, but reduces the potential number of futures where it increases the value function, it will not adopt the same. The only way I can see this happening is when the AI is under attack and it calculates that the number of possible futures where it does not &quot;bulk up&quot; show utter devastation to its value function. 

You&#039;re mentioning disappointment at the FAI attempt turning bad. Ok. But what can you do today to maximise the possibility of a good world for currently alive humans and all that they hold dear? If you choose to code an indifferent AI or support such an effort, then you&#039;re giving up even that little chance. Why would you want to do that?

I agree that both darwinism and capitalism are alive and in our midst and are currently playing along with humanity. The current compromises that have been reached will change tomorrow. The key is &quot;dialing it up to 11&quot;. Because that is what Seed AI is - dialling it to 11. I don&#039;t believe that either evolution&#039;s ideal world or capitalim&#039;s ideal world will coincide with humanity&#039;s ideal world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi RSP,</p>
<p>Sorry for the delay in answering. Real life intervened.</p>
<p>Does the spider have a choice? Does it have the intelligence to choose bigger prey? Are there larger animals that trigger the same reaction in the mega spider as the fly does in the spider? There are examples of lower animals moving towards super-stimuli, moths towards a flame. I am not an expert at biology and can&#8217;t say. </p>
<p>However, please consider the situation of a designed AI where everything it does is to satisfy its value function, its goal. Its every next step is to satisfy the value function. If it concocts a new way of thinking that can greatly improve its efficiency, but reduces the potential number of futures where it increases the value function, it will not adopt the same. The only way I can see this happening is when the AI is under attack and it calculates that the number of possible futures where it does not &#8220;bulk up&#8221; show utter devastation to its value function. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re mentioning disappointment at the FAI attempt turning bad. Ok. But what can you do today to maximise the possibility of a good world for currently alive humans and all that they hold dear? If you choose to code an indifferent AI or support such an effort, then you&#8217;re giving up even that little chance. Why would you want to do that?</p>
<p>I agree that both darwinism and capitalism are alive and in our midst and are currently playing along with humanity. The current compromises that have been reached will change tomorrow. The key is &#8220;dialing it up to 11&#8243;. Because that is what Seed AI is &#8211; dialling it to 11. I don&#8217;t believe that either evolution&#8217;s ideal world or capitalim&#8217;s ideal world will coincide with humanity&#8217;s ideal world.</p>
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		<title>By: Thos Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/monkey-business/#comment-29470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thos Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK - I see.

Regarding sexlessness in Japan, this is very interesting. Massive commercialization and computation (online porn, no?) deployed toward sex doesn&#039;t destroy sex but inoculates the drive? 

Besides, I bet people would feed Pythia without her contributing to any harem, look at who develops AI. (rimshot-j.k.) In all seriousness, won&#039;t people feed Pythia just to make it happen? It&#039;s like working on atomic bombs or solving rubik&#039;s cubes. Once she&#039;s built, she can feed herself, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; I see.</p>
<p>Regarding sexlessness in Japan, this is very interesting. Massive commercialization and computation (online porn, no?) deployed toward sex doesn&#8217;t destroy sex but inoculates the drive? </p>
<p>Besides, I bet people would feed Pythia without her contributing to any harem, look at who develops AI. (rimshot-j.k.) In all seriousness, won&#8217;t people feed Pythia just to make it happen? It&#8217;s like working on atomic bombs or solving rubik&#8217;s cubes. Once she&#8217;s built, she can feed herself, no?</p>
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