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		<title>By: pseudo-chrysostom</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-24102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pseudo-chrysostom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if the goal is to create such things de novo in a relatively isolated context (like, say, a secret defense project), then it is of vital importance.

but as you seem to be implying, right reasoning along one line of thinking applied to a narrow normative context is often also in accord with a broader context, even when the subject is themselves not capable of reasoning on or conceiving of the holistically larger level, (which is to say, when somethings right, there are multiple ways of getting there/demonstrating it as such).

to that end, the great popularity of multiplayer pvp vidya in recent years strikes me as a perfect opportunity for galvanizing AI research by hosting leagues or tournaments for bots to compete against each other in various games, like starcraft, team fortress, LoL(casual, but also popular), or 4x/grand strategy. 

a real time ranked ladder would likely attract a large amount of attention from both hobbyists and industry professionals alike, who wouldent want to put their name on the map while fulfilling their interest? thats the kind of arms race where everybody wins.


but, as it stands, most things about the current state of affairs says &#039;stuck&#039; to me. no transcendent thinkers changing paradigms, nor really any impetus towards spaces for projects to engage with being to see how its geist is expressed definitely (ie, areas of competition). AI, as such, simply doesnt seem to have many applications at the moment, and until that changes, real progress would necessarily depend on refining understanding of higher principles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the goal is to create such things de novo in a relatively isolated context (like, say, a secret defense project), then it is of vital importance.</p>
<p>but as you seem to be implying, right reasoning along one line of thinking applied to a narrow normative context is often also in accord with a broader context, even when the subject is themselves not capable of reasoning on or conceiving of the holistically larger level, (which is to say, when somethings right, there are multiple ways of getting there/demonstrating it as such).</p>
<p>to that end, the great popularity of multiplayer pvp vidya in recent years strikes me as a perfect opportunity for galvanizing AI research by hosting leagues or tournaments for bots to compete against each other in various games, like starcraft, team fortress, LoL(casual, but also popular), or 4x/grand strategy. </p>
<p>a real time ranked ladder would likely attract a large amount of attention from both hobbyists and industry professionals alike, who wouldent want to put their name on the map while fulfilling their interest? thats the kind of arms race where everybody wins.</p>
<p>but, as it stands, most things about the current state of affairs says &#8216;stuck&#8217; to me. no transcendent thinkers changing paradigms, nor really any impetus towards spaces for projects to engage with being to see how its geist is expressed definitely (ie, areas of competition). AI, as such, simply doesnt seem to have many applications at the moment, and until that changes, real progress would necessarily depend on refining understanding of higher principles.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-23926</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 06:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How important is it that members of the &#039;AI community&#039; understand what they are doing? If they are merely sub-technicians of a much deeper and wider catallactic process, their philosophical misconceptions might be reasonably interpreted as useful cover.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How important is it that members of the &#8216;AI community&#8217; understand what they are doing? If they are merely sub-technicians of a much deeper and wider catallactic process, their philosophical misconceptions might be reasonably interpreted as useful cover.</p>
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		<title>By: pseudo-chrysostom</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-23886</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 05:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if AGI is what you want, youre going to have to deal with those dirty nominalist heretics who are currently predominate in such fields.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if AGI is what you want, youre going to have to deal with those dirty nominalist heretics who are currently predominate in such fields.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-19256</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 01:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My strong intuition is that capitalism has inherent teleonomic impetus towards artificial intelligence -- but like all important capitalist phenomena, its emergence is destined to be catallactic, and thus obscure to concentrated institutional reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My strong intuition is that capitalism has inherent teleonomic impetus towards artificial intelligence &#8212; but like all important capitalist phenomena, its emergence is destined to be catallactic, and thus obscure to concentrated institutional reason.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-19165</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 22:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good idea -- I&#039;ll trawl something up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea &#8212; I&#8217;ll trawl something up.</p>
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		<title>By: James A. Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-19134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James A. Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Less Wrong is a religion that hopes to build its god.

Not going to happen any time soon.  As computers do more and more intelligent stuff, such as playing chess, it becomes more and more obvious that something is missing that all creatures in the ur-bilaterian clade possess.

And we cannot quite put our fingers on the missing magic ingredient, perhaps for the same reason as fish cannot see water.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less Wrong is a religion that hopes to build its god.</p>
<p>Not going to happen any time soon.  As computers do more and more intelligent stuff, such as playing chess, it becomes more and more obvious that something is missing that all creatures in the ur-bilaterian clade possess.</p>
<p>And we cannot quite put our fingers on the missing magic ingredient, perhaps for the same reason as fish cannot see water.</p>
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		<title>By: IL</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-19006</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you have any good resources for learning about cybernetics? You reference the topic a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have any good resources for learning about cybernetics? You reference the topic a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Artxell Knaphni</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/more-thought/#comment-18846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artxell Knaphni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think, with this post of yours, we&#039;re on the same page, as it were.
We all know how to be &#039;reductive&#039;, the benefits and traumas it can bring, but there&#039;s always more. 
Haven&#039;t been ale to keep up with the blogosphere for awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, with this post of yours, we&#8217;re on the same page, as it were.<br />
We all know how to be &#8216;reductive&#8217;, the benefits and traumas it can bring, but there&#8217;s always more.<br />
Haven&#8217;t been ale to keep up with the blogosphere for awhile.</p>
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