Moron bites (#14)

Single most deluded passage in a consistently dismal effort:

Elsewhere on the Internet, a woman calling herself “hbd chick” runs a wide-ranging personal blog on HBD; she seems particularly consumed by the inbreeding habits of Ashkenazi Jews and the genetic makeup of Europeans.

Alternatively (recommended) you could actually read one of the most brilliant blogs on the Internet. The groundless paranoia of this slur would then quickly be evident.

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  • cyborg_nomade Says:

    this is even funnier because she’s the closest to a progressive as anyone with HBD knowledge can be.

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    michael Reply:

    well jaymans an avowed liberal,and im pretty sure she showed up at an amren conference once maybe just to support rushton

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    Untrue Neutral Reply:

    I was introduced to HBD through Jayman and hbdchick and when I first encountered them I thought they were the most disturbingly right-wing things in the universe. Which is to say I was a moron, yes, but I can understand why someone with no real understanding/experience of the alt-right would be fascinated by them. They challenge what is probably the single most cherished myth of modernity and they do it damned well.

    I found Mencius and Land not long after that, and at that point my whole perspective changed.

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  • Stirner Says:

    They have stopped with the ignorant mockery of the first wave of Alt-Right engagement.

    Now they are going for more depth, but being knowingly deceptive.

    They are fools to give us any attention at all, but they simply cannot try to fix the problem that such ideas could still exist in the current year.

    Stock up on popcorn, it is going to be a fun few years.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    A moron bite indeed. All of the interesting data on that blog, and they came up with “the inbreeding habits of Ashkenazi Jews and the genetic makeup of Europeans” as a summary?

    Also both of those subtopics are fascinating. Inbreeding is not always a negative, and in fact, some is essential for population health. In moderation, as all things..

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  • Erebus Says:

    Although I have great respect for hbdchick, I thought that this was far worse:

    >”Yet HBD blogs tend to skip the last 25 years of genetics, during which epigenetics supplanted the nature versus nurture debate.”

    For it has done absolutely no such thing. In fact, epigenetics-as-wishful-thinking is no more, and no less, than contemporary Progressive Lysenkoism.

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    admin Reply:

    Also staggeringly moronic, I agree.
    It’s always slightly disappointing when our enemies are simply beneath contempt.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    I think humans can greatly benefit from reverse inbreeding from mammals with older genomes, like dolphins. that is not a science fiction and not require any research. there is few tested procedures for creating established chimerism in humans. that would be interesting to see how non chimeric humans can compete with chimeras. another ‘of the cliff’ scenario for human race.

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    NRK Reply:

    Turns out the alt furries are ahead of the curve – and at the same time somewhat cargo-cultish, given how actual chimerism will leave their fursuits in the dust.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This is one of the reasons why individual liberalism is important, as opposed to “muh movement” — the freaks often move on to produce if not great then at least very interesting things. Do I need to mention Dali, and countless other artists who did things which are actually furry-tier.

    Fucking Fascism is so ersatz.

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  • Anon Says:

    Progs have been making excuses to willfully misunderstand her for a while:

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/that-time-nobody-at-irrational-wiki-actually-read-my-blog/

    In any case, does HBD explain hbdchick’s refusal to use standard capitalization or her propensity for emoticons?

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    purpletigerbot Reply:

    Because it is kawaii ya goof(✿◠‿◠)

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  • pyrrhus Says:

    @Brett Stevens
    In fact, inbreeding is both the strength of the Ashkenazi (higher IQ) and the weakness (many neural channel related birth defects)…..And there is no question about the inbreeding–very low rates of outside marriage until the last couple of generations….Of course, that reality won’t be acceptable for the unicorns and rainbows crowd.

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    M. Reply:

    “Inbreeding” is not synonymous with “endogamy.”

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  • pyrrhus Says:

    Interestingly, thoroughbred horse breeding became very inbred to a small number of speedy lines, but with much greater fragility in the offspring, due to thinner legs and less robust bodies in general. Now the breed seems to be declining in speed as well, with slower times and virtually no really dominant great horses….Inbreeding seems to eventually hit a brick wall, in other words.

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  • Ahote Says:

    I know it is heresy to say this in these parts, but HBD really is fallacious epic-level nonsense, a pseudoscience. Different people are different obviously, but anyone that claims that morbidly obese homosexual junkie`s lifestyle does not affect his life expectancy should not be taken seriously (it does not take bogus twin studies to conclude that).

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    NRK Reply:

    Ok does anyone actually believe such a thing?
    Don’t they rather believe that being an obese homosexual junkie is largely genetic? (Which of course raises its own set of problems, like how did this ever get selected for, and does its near exclusive occurence in industrial societies not imply a sizeable influence of nuture?)

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    spigot Reply:

    I’m not that familiar with HBD but that claim seems pretty easily separable from a lot of the other claims associated with HBD, ie. Those other claims are not contingent on that claim’s truth (ie. I’m not sure how one bad claim [assuming it’s bad] means we should throw the baby out with the bathwater).

    A phenotype is (to the best of my knowledge) the product of the interaction of a genotype with its environment – the only way a person could fuck up and conflate phenotype with genotype (reduce the former to the latter) would be through a lack of knowledge re: genetics.

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    Anon Reply:

    In what way are the twin studies bogus?

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    michael Reply:

    nothings a heresy in these parts if you can back it up, the case for HBD has been made by some pretty competent people [jayman has the easiest access to the resources].

    So what’s your case?

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    admin Reply:

    HBD implicitly recommends regime diversity. Anyone with the slightest attachment to limited government has to recognize its (deeply resilient) ethnic peculiarity, and adjust expectations accordingly. Liberalism (in the old sense) is — to a rounding error — entirely a NW European cultural inclination.

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    michael Reply:

    racists are the real multiculturalists? I like it it

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    NRK Reply:

    There is a degree of historical inaccuracy in that statement, as it restricts the notion of limited government to classical liberalism – in which case, yes, it’s obviously, trivially a NW european thing, because all of modernity is (this still ignores the pioneering role of the italian city states and the importance of southern-originated memes, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves).
    From a broader perspective, any sort of limiting factor on government will produce a desire for the continutity/expansion of such limitation in those that benefit from it. One such factor would be the persistence of a strong feudal class against any central government – this was certainly important in NW Europe, but it’s expression was even stronger in Poland’s era of noble democracy. An even older example would be the Judges of biblical fame.
    Another factor is the sheer size of an empire which might make concessions necessary, e.g. provincial self-rule within the Persian empire.
    Imo, the most interesting case of non-western anti-government sentiment comes from 19th century Russia and is probably best exemplified by the writings of Dostoyevsky, such as Demons or Notes from Underground. This spitefully anarchic traditionalism did not only exist at the same time as classical liberalism, but viewed it as a gateway to authoritarian socialism, in any case as an expansion, not a reduction of the reach of government.
    (This is just off the top of my head and therefore only half-formed and imprecise, further analysis is certainly needed)

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    Ahote Reply:

    Really? Entirely a NW European cultural inclination? Taoism? French Liberal School? Austrian Economics? Government structure is entirely based on Culture / Memes, Power and most of all Accident / Historical Circumstances, not genetics (don’t forget that Russian ruling class was entirely NW European). Meanwhile Indonesian tribals implemented Ancapistan, but produced no Industrial Revolution (which again doesn’t mean they’re genetically “inferior” to British, there are far too many variables to simply chalk it up to genetics – any attempts to do so are completely arbitrary and scientifically unsound).

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    admin Reply:

    There has never been a liberal society in history without NW European governance. If you don’t think that’s telling, I’m out of ammo.

    Ahote Reply:

    NW European governance has spread more Communism around the world than Russian and Chinese governance combined…
    Come to think of it, has there ever been a Communist movement NOT supported by anglos in one way, or another?

    admin Reply:

    Of course, I agree that the Whigs lost the class war, with hideous consequences. If I didn’t, I’d be a conservative, and not a neoreactionary.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >pseudohistoricism

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

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    Are you out of your intellectual league, Ahote?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ „Another factor is the sheer size of an empire which might make concessions necessary, e.g. provincial self-rule within the Persian empire.
    Imo, the most interesting case of non-western anti-government sentiment comes from 19th century Russia and is probably best exemplified by the writings of Dostoyevsky, such as Demons or Notes from Underground. This spitefully anarchic traditionalism did not only exist at the same time as classical liberalism, but viewed it as a gateway to authoritarian socialism, in any case as an expansion”

    This is very interesting. I´d certainly make the claim that preference for limited government is a universal phenomenon, with degrees of appearance — altho unavoidably, racially tied. (Correctly conceived, genetic inheritance and expression is a universal explanator.)

    There is yet an important difference between anarchism and its contraconception as limited government.

    Either we are maintaining that they are indistinguishable or that they are different concepts. Obviously they are the latter, altho the former somehow claims or works to include the former in itself.

    Ultimately, ‘anarchism’ means ‘without arche (without rule, government)’ and is thus a pseudointellectual affair. Nothing is without rule. Any operating thing must operate according to its rules, to some degree (cf. biology).

    If they wanted to say self-rule they should have said so and not ‘no rule.’ (Or ‘no rulers’ when they meant ‘self-rulers.’) Such is Leftism.

    To illustrate, the Roman empire had and provided relatively limited government, while at the same time being a force of expansion.

    Aeroguy Reply:

    Nice straw man, can you give something more substantive? HBD’s big contribution is that human evolution is recent, rapid and local (and all the narrative crushing implications that follow). Do you have a solid case against that?(if you do I”m sure the cathedral will be happy to publish you and compensate you handsomely)

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    Ahote Reply:

    Straw man? It’s literally what JayMan has been saying.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Please present an argument rather than a mere reference. Anyone can present a reference to virtually anything, not anyone can present an argument for their submittals.

    If you do not have an argument which you can summarize and present, then it is worth nothing that you re-state your claims for they are mere fancies.

    Those who cannot present good, especially well summarized, arguments yet pretend to know about intellectual matters are pseudointellectuals.

    Your reputation is at stake.

    michael Reply:

    OK well This is “literally” copy and pasted from his blog and seems to contradict you, Perhaps you mean another JayMan?

    If, indeed, it is the case that human beings vary in behavior, and if it has been proven that much of this variation in behavior may be attributed to hereditary causes, then this alone is sufficient to demonstrate that heredity must explain some of the variation in cognition between any two human populations who vary in their evolutionary history. Well, has this been proven? Of course it has. [see How Much Hard Evidence Do You Need?]. “Heritability”, as the term is implemented in quantitative genetics, refers to the portion of variation in a phenotype within a population that may be attributed to heritable differences, given a certain range of genotypes and phenotypes: H^2 = Var(G)/Var(P). The classical twin study, as much as it is ballyhooed by idiots in the social sciences who are reality-averse, has provided heritability estimates for a wide array of psychological dimensions ranging from IQ and its subscores (visuospatial, verbal, mathematical, etc.), to reaction time, to the “big 5” (e.g. extraversion/intraversion, neuroticism, etc.), to all psychiatric disorders (e.g. autism, schizophrenia), to what brand of cereal you prefer in the morning, and much more. In virtually all cases, these heritability estimates are higher than zero — often substantially higher than zero. They are not only consistent with studies of identical twins reared apart, but also longitudinal adoption studies: studies with sample sizes ranging in the multiple thousands have demonstrated consistently that adopted children, even when adopted during early infancy, resemble their biological parents to a vastly higher degree than they resemble the adults who actually raised them (i.e. “adoptive” parents). [See Taming the “Tiger Mom” and Tackling the Parenting Myth]

    And one of the most common, and in fact the overarching application of heritability estimates is evolution. Heritability estimates tell you precisely how much a trait will change in a population, over time, as a response to selection. In other words, if the smallest 25% of all cattle in a herd failed to reproduce every generation, how much would you expect that trait to increase over time? Given even modest selection on any trait from height, to violence, to “visuospatial IQ”, to extroversion, and much more — just about how much heritable variation would you expect see between the disparate human populations on Earth since the time we migrated out of east Africa?

    The answer is obvious. if you have read The 10,000 Year Explosion by Cochran and Harpending (which I’m not sure you have), the authors provide ample evidence that substantial heritable change is possible in the relative blink of an eye — hundreds or thousands of years, not just tens of thousands. (Evolutionarily speaking, of course.) It is a trivial matter to ensure that a population, twenty generations from now, will be on average as bright as the brightest 2% within that population today [see The breeder’s equation | West Hunter]. Today’s Scandinavians are not yesterday’s Vikings. Han Chinese in Sichuan Province today are not genetically exchangeable with Chinese during the reign of the first Qin Emperor. Swedes are not Norwegians, Egyptian Copts are not Muslims, and Hejazi Arabs are not Najdi Arabs. I could belabor this point ad nauseam, but I believe I have made my point sufficiently clear.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    To deny things out of sentiment is the hallmark of the pseudointellectual.

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    Ahote Reply:

    I do not deny HBD out of sentiment, but simply because HBD assertions are mostly examples of cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Please. People say this about anything they don´t like.

    Since no scientific knowledge is absolute, but is based on likelihood, it works with correlations.

    If you have no positive thesis, please don´t spread opinions.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Altho, paradoxically, „There is a conception of objectivity that presupposes that there are two kinds of qualities: ones that vary with the perspective one has or takes, and ones that remain constant through changes of perspective. The latter are the objective properties. Thomas Nagel explains that we arrive at the idea of objective properties in three steps (Nagel 1986: 14). The first step is to realize (or postulate) that our perceptions are caused by the actions of things on us, through their effects on our bodies. The second step is to realize (or postulate) that since the same properties that cause perceptions in us also have effects on other things and can exist without causing any perceptions at all, their true nature must be detachable from their perspectival appearance and need not resemble it. The final step is to form a conception of that “true nature” independently of any perspective. Nagel calls that conception the “view from nowhere”, Bernard Williams the “absolute conception” (Williams 1985 [2011]). It represents the world as it is, unmediated by human minds and other “distortions”.

    Many scientific realists maintain that science, or at least natural science, does and indeed ought to aim to describe the world in terms of this absolute conception and that it is to some extent successful in doing so (for a detailed discussion of scientific realism, see the entry on scientific realism). There is an immediate sense in which the absolute conception is an attractive one to have. If two people looking at a colored patch in front of them disagree whether it is green or brown, the absolute conception provides an answer to the question (e.g., “The patch emits light at a wavelength of 510 nanometers”). By making these facts accessible through, say, a spectroscope, we can arbitrate between the conflicting viewpoints (viz., by stating that the patch should look green to a normal observer in daylight).

    Another reason for this conception to be attractive is that it will provide for a simpler and more unified representation of the world. Theories of trees will be very hard to come by if they use predicates such as “height as seen by an observer” and a hodgepodge if their predicates track the habits of ordinary language users rather than the properties of the world. To the extent, then, that science aims to provide explanations for natural phenomena, casting them in terms of the absolute conception would help to realize this aim. Bernard Williams makes a related point about explanation:

    The substance of the absolute conception (as opposed to those vacuous or vanishing ideas of “the world” that were offered before) lies in the idea that it could nonvacuously explain how it itself, and the various perspectival views of the world, are possible. (Williams 1985 [2011]: 139)”

    You still have provided no argument for your claims re HBD.

    Aaron Reply:

    @Ahote

    I think you’re interpreting HBD roughly as “genes are everything, environment is nothing”, going full ham on the nature end of the nature – nurture spectrum. This is an easy accusation to deploy against HBD since it stands in contrast to the social constructionism that currently enjoys hegemony. But that isn’t real HBD, it is imaginary and often played for mere rhetorical advantage. Of course environment matters, you would be a bit daft to think otherwise. The viewpoint of HBD is simply that there is a biological baseline around which environment has some finite ability to modify.

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    Ahote Reply:

    >I think you’re interpreting HBD roughly as “genes are everything, environment is nothing”, going full ham on the nature end of the nature – nurture spectrum.

    Me? JayMan is a hard determinist, I just stick to the obvious – there are differences in intelligence and temperament between individuals and groups, but selection mechanism i.e. socio-political system beats any currently existing genetic differences (hypothetically, in the future, from Sub-Saharan Africans could evolve a super-intelligent race, and from Ashkenazim a race less intelligent than Sub-Saharan Africans). Of course, HBD crowd is desperately left-wing and would never support an eugenic socio-political system, rather, because of their determinism they desire one even more dysgenic than the current one. I admit, I find Internet far-right’s enchantment with left-wing HBD crowd very perplexing.

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    michael Reply:

    hypothetically but first mover advantage is likeliest scenario an enlightened first mover would destroy the competition now

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  • michael Says:

    This isnt really a moron bite its tell a lie tell it big tell it often. marxism both kinds are absolutely conditional on human equality. Without this lie they can not justify any of it and until they no longer need to justify themselves [pretty soon] they will lie through their teeth as the science become more clear they will become more explicitly threatening and vindictive. they are not simply going to concede the game when they have niggers almost all the way down they will hold on until the camp of the saints is fully occupied

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Marxism couldn’t give a shit about human equality being Real, quite the opposite.

    Do you understand what “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” means?

    It means people are deeply unequal (Both in needs and abilities), and a system that satisfies the needs of the unable at a cost to the able’s “surplus” must be built, for aesthethic reasons. This is badly misguided, but not for the reasons you bark.

    Do you honestly believe they can’t justify “it” without “it” being the natural baseline?

    I’ll let you in on a secret: Most lefties have always known about “HBD”. This is clearer from outside the cradles of hybridized marxism, which is essentially a backfiring (Sort of) “project”. Also, niggers are actually cooler than you and exotic, majestic endangered animals are cooler than both.

    What are your needs, what are your abilities?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Leftism makes the claim “we´re all different” which is true, and also “we´re all the same” which is true. All lies build on at least some degree of truth (if only: that the signs used are at least true, i.e. working, from some perspective).

    It accepts these fundamental truths of sameness & relationality. Yet it moves on to ignore the finer and more subtle differences.*

    * This is the whole story of Leftism and the core causing its multicentury litany of failures, tortures and errors.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ „niggers are actually cooler than you and exotic, majestic endangered animals are cooler than both.”

    You little dimwit. The light-pigmented leptomorph is an endangered human animal.

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    michael Reply:

    “niggers are actually cooler than you” you are quoting almost verbatim my teenage daughter though she would never say nigger she too thinks they are the coolest race.

    michael Reply:

    Im all in favor of putting the niggers in eco parks where we can admire their natural beauty which Leni Riefenstahl so wonderfully exposed for us.
    As to your no real communist “argument”, well that, each according to, campaign didnt sell too well so they switched to the we are the world which allowed them to align with and use christianity and thats been the game ever since. Yes your average liberal jew knows perfectly well niggers are technically human but thats beside the point they also know euros are suckers for a hard luck story as long as the poor are deserving.

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  • Anonymous Says:

    Why is HBD so important? A lot of focus goes there. Is there a good reason besides making fun of deluded liberals? Some kind of non-obvious knowledge?

    The specifics are fascinating for sure, if you’re into it, but that’s just like science in general…

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    admin Reply:

    Probably a number of reasons why HBD is emphasized so strongly. Leftist Race Politics is the core of the enemy project (‘disparate impact’ attacks are now the spearhead of anti-capitalism), main fuel-stock for the grievance machine. Correspondingly, anti-HBD is the Holy-of-Holies for the Cathedral faith — perfect human absorption into the spiritual brotherhood of man (and — by manifest destiny — into the evangelical-universal Church of Global Progress).

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Forced or semiforced mixing, certainly is “manifest destiny” to the Hypocritic Cathedral.

    (On a tangent, ‘hypocrite’ is a weird word, etymo-radically it means ‘to act under crisis’ or ‘acting/responding when pressured’.) Certainly, the Cathedral is a acting under the pressure of their erroneous Faith of the Demon of Anti-Intelligence.

    ▬{ Published in 1925, <i><b>La Raza Cósmica</i></b> (The Cosmic Race) is an essay written by late Mexican philosopher, secretary of education, and 1929 presidential candidate, José Vasconcelos to express the ideology of a future “fifth race” in the Americas; an agglomeration of all the races in the world with no respect to colour or number to erect a new civilisation: Universópolis.

    As he explains in his literary work, armies of people would then go forth around the world professing their knowledge. Vasconcelos continues to say that the people of the Iberian regions of the Americas (that is to say, the parts of the continent colonised by Portugal and Spain) have the territorial, racial, and spiritual factors necessary to initiate the “universal era of humanity”.

    Claiming that the Darwinist ideologies are “scientific” theories only created to validate, explain, and justify ethnic superiority and to repress others, Vasconcelos attempts to refute these theories and goes on to recognize his words as being an ideological effort to improve the cultural morale of a “depressed race” by offering his optimistic theory of the future development of a cosmic race. }

    Meanwhile, here´s what someone @ Skadi Forum (a trove of HBD & Indo-European info) called Fashwave — with no guarantees of personal taste. But it´s audibly not substandard, and quite enjoyable.

    By pure co-incidence the song that is playing as I write this comment is titled «Kalergi Plan». Óðin, the god of coincidence, loves me.
    http://paulijungunusmundus.eu/rfr/radbilde.htm

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Given the strange and relentless push by our globalist ruling class to create as much proximity between the first world and the third, I would suggest that the implications of HBD, and particularly neurological uniformity (or lack thereof), has as much practical relevance toward civilization as anything possibly could. Certainly at least as much as climate change, or nuclear proliferation, for example.

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    michael Reply:

    what would the implications be for law enforcement ,immigration,multicultural political efforts, globalization,democracy,education,insurance,labor,socialism, capitalism,military, family and everything else if all men and genders are not created nor equal but were in fact very different had 1-2 standard deviations of intelligence, were more aggressive or cooperative, had different mating and child rearing strategies, different time references,trust tolerances. If it turned out cultures were not fungible nor transferable but part of a evolutionary feedback loop?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @admin

    How is HBD incompatible with the grievance machine? I suspect an even worse machine could be built by taking HBD in consideration. (Consider vegans)

    Even the Church of Global Progress could benefit from accepting HBD, although for some reason mechanisms to deal with the problems that arise from what looks like “rejecting” HBD are already in place.

    @wu-wei

    I agree it has practical implications on the level of the things you mentioned, however, “policy” remains primarily an “aesthetics” thing. I’ve yet to read neoreactionary thought on climate change, I assume it diverges wildly?

    @michael

    Implications if what happens? A majority accepts HBD as real? Worldwide? The current ruling mechanisms? Scientists? A rational well-meaning and effective world-emperor?

    In some situations, the world gets better. In others, they come up with drugs to tone down competitiveness on the appropriate races, push homogenizing eugenics, implement a genes-based tax (And basic income!), etc.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    Good genes = Privilege is already something I’ve seen the intersectionality crowd use but it has the benefit of causing even their own useful idiots to start questioning the narrative.

    michael Reply:

    well exactly their are huge implications that cant be predicted ruling elites are comfortable they wouldnt want change, Im sure we will get smart niggers with straight hair if we allow that

    Ahote Reply:

    Good genes = Privilege is already taken into account by Rawls.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Since intelligence (inter– “between” + legere “choose, pick out, read”) refers to differentiation, indeed to differentiation ability, it certainly would be very dumb to exclude Human Biological Differentiation.

    An intelligent person sees similarities and differences.

    And how these correlate with other similarities and differences.

    There was published here recently a chart of intelligence quotient measured vs. skin tone.

    A dumb person thinks things are ‘all the same’ where they significantly are not, and that they are ‘all different’ when the differences are not operationally significant.

    ‘Science’ also means ‘differentiation’ — it refers to ‘separate one thing from another.’ (Measurement is differentiation.) I.e. to see (the) difference. Building out of the results is systemic, and done in systemic approaches, such as Scientific racism (which overlaps with, and is intellectually cognate with a multiplicity of disciplines, such as genealogy, anthropology, genetics, etc. ‘Racism’ fundamentally means ‘concerning race’, like ‘utilitarianism’ means ‘concerning utility’).

    Scientific racism was declared “pseudo”science for strictly political & religious reasons, that got mixed into sciences, unfortunately. Of course, what is pseudoscience is to maintain that a science you don´t religio-sentimentally or politically agree with is pseudoscience.

    Ultimately it was the Nazi´s war, hatred, genocide and megalomania which tarnished this scientific reputation, because they were so ideologically infatuated with the discipline. But we cannot hold back human knowledge because of some Nazis.

    They also, as it were, tarnished the swastika which had been used for 5.000 years without trouble. And even the German language & history.

    It doesn´t mean we have to get pseudoscientific in turn and pseudoscientifically claim that acutal sciences aren´t actual sciences.

    The arguments that are typically used (erroneously) against racial anthropology, is that ‘it´s a 19th century science!’ — well, so is any science that is a 19th century science, such as physics, chemistry, electromagnetic theory, etc. Just because you purposefully retard a science tradition for political or religious reasons doesn´t mean that you cannot continue it and update it in the 21st century.

    Actually this is the case in history. Sciences have in previous centuries fallen out of fashion (e.g. for religious reasons), and then return to be updated and to have amazing breakthroughs made in and through them.

    It´s obvious that anti-racism, so far as it concerns the scientific overlap with racial anthropology, is pseudo-religiously motivated, and derives from noneuropean beliefs that that most harmful person (abuser) is perfectly as good as a good parent.

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    Anon Reply:

    >derives from noneuropean beliefs that that most harmful person (abuser) is perfectly as good as a good parent

    Wouldn’t HBD’s explanatory power rest in the idea that the parent who happens to be an abuser will be more likely to have offspring who are also likely to be abusers?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yes. This is the optimal meaning of so-called ‘original sin.’ That bad people procreate themselves and destroy actual progress. So we get stuck on this rock with far more suffering than would be needed for far longer.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    These are apelike creatures who are not concerned with benevolence or science, but want to feel energy (pleasure) flowing through their gastrointestinal tract & lower body, or mouth, hands, ass and genitalia mostly. But the better of them also go through the heart, to different degrees. And then feel superior by trying to pull the genuinely intelligent down, even just unconsciously through ‘humour’ (in which they are able to say “this achievement or uniqueness is not of serious worth”).

    These are abusers of the human DNA potential, and act as the force of gravity in (against) man´s mission to go into outer space.

    Their usage of contraception is optimal. But their procreation is hamartia. They have taken over continents.

     

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Best be clear that the majority of whites belong to this apelike category.

    michael Reply:

    you and admin on monkey business, dont buy it. first of all you cant run a civilization of all 140 plus people, and if you could the 160 would stick the 140 in ovens. The dysfunction and ignorance of the white prole class has a lot more to do with the stupidity and neglect of the upper class than the abilities of proles. White proles have adequate traits for a successful and pleasant civilization that would support defend resupply and all the other assistance needed by higher IQ classes. This is not true of any of the nigger races, IQ is only one trait.
    Comparisons of niggers to average whites are ridiculous, as is the assertion that high IQ individuals could survive five minutes on their own, or that Proles and democracy are the cause of the mess we are in.There is no democracy, high IQ elites have deployed the cathedral precisely to neuter the proles instinctive conservatism being enacted through democracy, and to brainwash as many as possible in cathedralism.
    Stop high IQ faggotry the proles will gladly follow competent leaders.White proles are purposely dumbed down and dumbed down from High IQ schemes. Proles produce nurture and raise half the new high IQ individuals every year.only a stupid fucking high iq faggot prog would sit around dreaming of Elysium and Ruling the knights of the round table while the world burns. The cathedral controls Voice there is no where to exit you can fight like a man or die larping like a fag

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >>cant run a civilization of all 140 plus people

    this is mumbo.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You sound like a crypto-communist, Michael.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    WN is practically cryptocommunism. And the overlap between Nationalsocialism and Communism is immense (cf. Red Fascism, et al). The insane thing about this is that if these WNs/Reds/Browns want to much to have their own communities and workplaces, no one is stopping them! Instead of demanding the rich hand over the factories, why don´t you band up a few “noble loyal proletariat” (if you are such a creative & amazing class waiting to be unleashed) and found a small factory? Oh you need architects? Electrical engineers? Lawyers? Looks like the Proletariat Project always becomes another hierarchy, following human nature where people seek self-interest.

    However if you have money, you can just move away from Muslim & Negro hot-zones.

    Michael is asking us for an exit which already exists. Bribe the Cathedral.

    It´s called having money and being smart. Making wise moves.

    michael Reply:

    @Anonymous

    Cyrpto communist? The names michael, anonymous so nothing crypto there.

    Communist? Because i think wasting time larping these revenge of the nerds fantasies about seasteading and Elysium while the world burns is faggotry? Or is it that you think if nerds cant rule the world then its communism? Im no huge fan of democracy but you dont have a plan to replace it that isnt a fucking joke. And as i point out its not even the problem the problem is faggot nerds with bright ideas wrecking the world because they dont know the first fucking thing about the world, all they know is their action figures and video games. you think reading MM makes you less of a pajama boy?

    here smart ass right now give me a realistic plan to escape the cathedral that you can do even within ten years which is ten years too late since they already have files on all of us.

    tell me now how you would institute a patchwork tomorrow, how would you institute monarchy?

    You cant its all a game to you nothing is real in your life you have done nothing built created nothing you an internet superhero. Thats bad but whats worse is you have adopted this neat little philosophy that absolves you of the shame

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What gave you the impression I’m advocating for the “revenge of the nerds” scenario?

    >Communist? Because i think wasting time larping these revenge of the nerds fantasies about seasteading and Elysium while the world burns is faggotry?

    No (I kind of agree with that sentiment)… Communist because you want a society structured to serve the less able at the expense of the more able, as simple as that. That you want them all whites and tribal-happy doesn’t make it any less communistic. You literally “blamed” the high IQ whites for the low IQ white’s problems.

    >here smart ass right now give me a realistic plan to escape the cathedral that you can do even within ten years which is ten years too late since they already have files on all of us.

    If you want a global, universal solution to the “Cathedral”, you’re even more communistic than I thought…

    If you mean a solution for yourself or your community… I’d have to know the situation first. Are you rich? Healthy? Smart? Willing and capable to change your family’s lifestyle?

    I’ll trade you Exit-counseling for an emperor-tier handmade pajamas, and a written repentance of your communist ways.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    +10

    michael Reply:

    “you want a society structured to serve the less able at the expense of the more able”
    No I am simply pointing out a society of only 130 plus IQs is not possible and not pleasant and if possible not sustainable.Im pretty clear the High IQs are leading but im also pointing out high IQs have a higher propensity to faggotry and stupid theoreticl ideas that needs addressing which a holistic civilization does rather well witout re inventing the wheel with scifi.noblesse oblige is not communism its what prevents it.

    Yeah by inference I blamed the lo IQs problems on the high IQs, because high IQs are running things so all problems are their fault This bullshit that communism is derived from low IQ and imposed on elites is absurd.All demotic projects have been high IQ and aristocratic projects the poor and stupid only occasionally ineffectually riot for bread.which is why im trying to incite you and not them

    Revenge of the nerds is how Im describing what DENRX is degenerating into unsurprisingly since its nerd inspired since you agree with Elysium comment no further explanation needed.

    If you want a global, universal solution to the “Cathedral”, you’re even more communistic than I thought…
    I happen to be an american so the cathedral happens to be my government and its assets so yes in the sense I intend to seize power in america, no in the sense that i dont want to continue its policy of exporting ideology in the foolish belief all men are created equal, or their cultures are transferable or fungible rather than part of the evolutionary feedback loop.But yes again in as much i disagree any white not born within the hajinal line or with an IQ over 130 is closer to a nigger than a human being, thats absurd as america and the rest of the anglosphere pre 60s proved. In fact I like to point out its the inside the Hajinal line that has our race on the ropes but thats just me being a communist again i suppose. BTW my talking explicitly about race in a way very similar to what you expect a WNs to do does not imply what you might suppose I come to it from a different place.

    Yeah i’m well off healthy smart and have self sufficient properties for many contingencies am armed to the teeth and have been cognizant of the cathedral since the early 8os,Capable well ive built my own airplane boat half a dozen houses various machines etc the hydro electric system i built for one house shunts the excess electricity into a hydrogen electrolyzer i built which you ought to know produces hydrogen and oxygen gas which i store by adsorption, and Im telling you its not enough.

    You and others seem to think we dont get moldbug we get it some great stuff maybe in an ideal world you could adopt it wholesale but the situation on the ground is so disconnected from your blogs that you sound like NRO writers

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  • ivvenalis Says:

    Sorry, that wasn’t the most deluded passage:

    “These writers are, for the most part, long on “evidence” and short on policy: They seem to simply accumulate colorful charts and tables of raw genomic data as if a preponderance of graphics and spreadsheets proves the existence of races.”

    (Thanks, Steve Sailer)

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  • c23 Says:

    Ironically, the article has a banner ad for a study by a Dr Barzilai looking for ashkenazim with long-lived parents to look for longevity genes. A quick search shows that the study wants ashkenazim due to their genetic uniformity caused by their small founding population (in other words, because they’re inbred).

    While the Forward buries its head in the sand its own advertisers are applying hbd to do something useful.

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    admin Reply:

    Inbred, but from a very broad founding cross. Ashkenazim are ~50% Italian-European. (On the female — or mitochondrial — line, ironically, given Jewish matrilineal cultural descent.)

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    Henk Reply:

    The latest estimates as relayed by Cochran don’t even figure it as a 50/50 split anymore:

    Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European

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    c23 Reply:

    The important thing is the sized of a population bottleneck. You could be as diverse as you like, the child of Keanu Reeves and Jennifer Tilly, but if you fuck your sister your baby will still be inbred.

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  • Melanie l'Heuremaudit Says:

    Off topic (concerning Salvador Dali & the Spanish Catholic Church’s support of Franco & fascism)

    @ (N) G. Eiriksson

    “This is one of the reasons why individual liberalism is important, as opposed to “muh movement” — the freaks often move on to produce if not great then at least very interesting things. Do I need to mention Dali, and countless other artists who did things which are actually furry-tier…..Fucking Fascism is so ersatz.”

    It’s not in the official Dali biography, and few people outside of Spain know this, however Dali actually supported Franco and was fascinated by Hitler.

    He also declared himself an admirer of the founder of the fascist party, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera.

    Dali presented himself as a devout servant of the Spanish Church and its teaching – which at that time was celebrating Queen Isabella for having the foresight to expel the Jews from Spain and which had explicitly referred to Hitler’s program to exterminate the Jews as the best solution to the Jewish Question.

    In his frequent visits to New York, Dali made a point of praying in St. Patrick’s Cathedral for the health of Franco, announcing at many press conferences his unconditional loyalty to Franco’s regime.

    The word that resonated increasingly in Franco’s Spain was “Crusade.” Franco himself recognised its emotional power to conjure up Spain’s medieval role as a crusading nation as early as July 1936, when he observed that “we are faced with a war that is taking on each day the character of a Crusade”

    In a pastoral letter to his churchgoers in September, 1936, the Bishop of Salamanca emphasized that the war was “really a Crusade for religion, for the fatherland, for civilisation … a Crusade against communism…..”(Sueiro I 71).

    Other bishops used the word like a mantra (Sueiro I 71), echoing the call to Holy War of the medieval church militant. Some priests even fought in the Nationalist ranks.

    The enemy then was not the Moor (the Spanish word for the Muslim invaders of 711), but:

    “….communists, anarchists, freemasons, liberals, Jews, sometimes all rolled together…”

    The Spanish Civil war was likened to a “surgical operation directed by God”, a divine therapy for a country that had strayed off its godly path; the cure was painful but all the more efficacious for the suffering (Sueiro I 74). The man entrusted with administering the cure was Francisco Franco who, like a savior sent from heaven sent, rescued Christianity from the godless hordes:

    “At a moment of grave danger and fierce attacks against the Catholic Church there came a man, Franco, who defended on Spanish soil the eternal rights of Christianity. And History will have to add, in justice, that thanks to the Spanish Crusade the torrent of the godless was stopped in Europe…”

    Source: Sueiro, Daniel & Diaz Nosty, Bernardo Historia del Franquismo Vol 1, Madrid 1986

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ „A large amount of “degenerate art” by Picasso, Dalí, Ernst, Klee, Léger and Miró was destroyed in a bonfire on the night of July 27, 1942, in the gardens of the Galerie nationale du Jeu de Paume in Paris.[45] Whereas it was forbidden to export “degenerate art” to Germany, it was still possible to buy and sell artworks of “degenerate artists” in occupied France. The Nazis considered indeed that they should not be concerned by Frenchmen’s mental health.”

    ▬ Franco´s Spain „entry into the war on the Axis side was prevented largely by, as was much later revealed, British Secret Intelligence Service (MI-6) efforts that included up to $200 million in bribes for Spanish officials to keep the regime from getting involved.”

    Considering that the Axis helped Franco win the Civil War, this was treacherous.

    ▬ „Stanley Payne, a scholar of fascism and Spain, notes: “scarcely any of the serious historians and analysts of Franco consider the generalissimo to be a core fascist.”[31][32] According to historian Walter Laqueur “during the civil war, Spanish fascists were forced to subordinate their activities to the nationalist cause. At the helm were military leaders such as General Francisco Franco, who were conservatives in all essential respects.”

    I still think Francoism/Falangism is Fascist, yet even though it survived until ca. 1975? Did it do Spain any other good than save it from Communism? Certainly Italians seem to out-produce them in the interesting fields. E.g. weaponry, industry (amazing cars), archeology, history, cinema, etc.

    Often scholars, authors, freaks, etc. were allowed to operate within Fascism until they became unpopular and then they were banned, fired, or worse.

    Actually Nazis drove away thousands of intellectuals who they could have made use of if they hadn´t been so brash and genocidal in their puritanism.

    ▬ „It is occasionally put forth that there is a great irony in the Nazis’ labeling modern physics as “Jewish science”, since it was exactly modern physics—and the work of many European exiles—which was used to create the atomic bomb. Even if the German government had not embraced Lenard and Stark’s ideas, the German antisemitic agenda was enough by itself to destroy the Jewish scientific community in Germany. Furthermore, the German nuclear energy project was never pursued with anywhere near the vigor of the Manhattan Project in the United States, and for that reason would likely not have succeeded in any case.[13] The movement [Deutsche Physik] did not actually go as far as preventing the nuclear energy scientists from using quantum mechanics and relativity,[14] but the education of young scientists and engineers suffered, not only from the loss of the Jewish scientists but also from political appointments and other interference. In 1938, Himmler wrote to Heisenberg that he could discuss modern physics but not mention Jewish scientists such as Bohr and Einstein in connection with it.[15]”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Anyway, I´ve known about a Dali fasci-nation with Hitler since I was a teen. One of my favorite aryosophists/nietzscheans (Moody Lawless) had a forum signature quoting Dali: „My fascination with Hitler was strictly paranoiac”. Googling it I find out only now that apparently my aryosophist buddy had left out the latter part: „and apolitical.”

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  • michael Says:

    @c23

    Bocaccio thinks you have to be pretty smart to lift a married jewesses skirts

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    michael Reply:

    @ henk and admin

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  • Melanie l'Heuremaudit Says:

    Are blacks worse than Atomic bombs?

    http://www.snopes.com/hiroshima-vs-detroit/

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    michael Reply:

    yes but not because they destroy cities

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  • Melanie l'Heuremaudit Says:

    @ michael

    +10 !

    for comment beginning:

    “you and admin on monkey business, dont buy it….”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    It´s mostly he who represents the monkey business.

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    michael Reply:

    at least i admit im a monkey

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    We´re alien vectors inhabiting monkey vessels.

    The smarter we are the more alien we were to all other life.

    But with time we´ve come to learn of their ‘complex’ wayward reasoning.

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  • Aaron Says:

    @Ahote

    Well, I know of Jayman but have never read him. On whatever comment section beef wars you may have had with Jayman in the past, I know nothing at all. Whatever HBD reading I’ve done has come by way of Steve Sailer, Gregory Cochran, and Peter Frost. If nothing else, this identifies at least one of the problems of your arguments up thread. It feels like the middle of a long standing argument with Jayman that somehow spilled over to this site with the naked assertion that HBD is guilty of being “fallacious epic-level nonsense”. If you say Jayman believes environment doesn’t matter at all, I would say that is a characterization I find somewhat dubious and would want to confirm it myself. But if that really was the case, then Jayman is wrong, simple as that.

    As far as HBD being “left” on eugenics, I’m curious what sort of frame you are operating from. It is a bit of a curious position to take. In most public discourse, eugenics is an anathema, a boogeyman to be denounced. I would imagine the bulk of HBD readers are favorable towards soft eugenics, in which society tries to avoid dysgenic public policy. This is about as favorable a take on eugenics as you will find in most (but not all) places.

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