Moron bites (#18)

From ThinkProgress (surprisingly!):

The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of white nationalism.

(Via.)

So, just to begin with, the entire discipline of genetics is now classified as ‘white nationalist’ by these lunatics. A cynical liar, a pitiful ignoramus, or an abominable racist — choose one. No wonder these creatures are losing so badly.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    Allan Holdsworth, when asked about the limits of his left
    hand reach, said: “I don’t know, I don’t want to know,
    because then I might not try something.”

    Baudrillard might say that when a topic, such as ‘intelligence’, has become an inflationary discourse ( ‘everyone’s talking about it’); then it has actually disappeared as a ‘reality’.

    ‘White Nationalists’ are just using a ‘cod ethnology’, the social detritus of overstrained & distorted racial mythologies, as compensatory motivational psychology for their feelings of, or actual, inferiority. Unlike the assertions of groups with histories of actual oppression, the ‘White Nationalist’ can only point to the disappearance of privileges, derived from those very oppressions & exploitations, as their characteristic ‘oppression’.

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    Johan Schmidt Reply:

    The evidence that AK is actually some nerd’s Sokal Markov Chain grows and grows.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Johan Schmidt]: “The evidence that AK is actually some nerd’s Sokal Markov Chain grows and grows.”

    {AK}: Thanks, Johan, the Indus Valley yogi intuits Markov Chains as a digestive process, whilst eating scrambled eggs & guacamole on toast. Outsourcing such tedious calculations in this way, enables apothegmatic accuracy.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    “The evidence that AK is actually some nerd’s Sokal Markov Chain grows and grows” is where this subthread should have stopped. You can’t argue with liars and fools. Employ hypertext in your favour instead.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Until you’re able to actually cite a ‘lie’, one can only conclude that you’re both a liar & a fool.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    In the face of insurmountable evidence citation is not required. Your whole posting career is risible. I’m not interested in engaging with you because you have repeatedly demonstrated that engagement with you is not possible.

    Equivalently, the previously linked to bot has this to say:

    “”Narrativity is dead,” says Sartre. If subcultural narrative holds, the works of Rushdie are an example of self-falsifying nihilism. In a sense, the neosemantic paradigm of context implies that sexual identity has significance.”

    The end.

    Wagner Reply:

    Knaphni, why did you quote two white guys just now instead of say Mongorians or Kazakhs? Could it be because most of the non-white world is utterly worthless? Well, that’s where white nationalism stems from (at least it’s more refined form).

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    Erebus Reply:

    Right. As Saul Bellow put it, “Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus? The Proust of the Papuans? I’d be glad to read him.”

    Some cultures are simply of greater worth than others, and the Western Tradition is the greatest of them all. Genetics has a great deal to do with this. Every honest observer should find these facts trivially obvious.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Erebus]: “Right. As Saul Bellow put it, “Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus? The Proust of the Papuans? I’d be glad to read him.”

    Some cultures are simply of greater worth than others, and the Western Tradition is the greatest of them all. Genetics has a great deal to do with this. Every honest observer should find these facts trivially obvious.”

    {AK}: Valuations of ‘worth’ are contingent on perspective. Such games escape into considerations of construction; origin; & incommensurability.
    Your ‘honest observation’, Erebus, is trivial, but simply not true.

    Erebus Reply:

    So where, then, is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?

    How are cultures incommensurable? Aesthetic works can be compared between cultures, as can technological, scientific, and philosophical achievements. Surely you can discern the fact that some cultures are plainly inferior to others?

    Military prowess may be taken, in itself, as a suitable proxy for “worth.” Surely our ancestors would agree — and, in this technological age, the point is even more salient.

    merkur Reply:

    “So where, then, is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?”

    So where, then, is the Ngugi of the Dutch?

    Honestly, I don’t think this goes where you want.

    Erebus Reply:

    Ngugi is a rather mediocre author, lives in California, makes his living as an English professor, writes his works entirely in English, and writes for an almost wholly American audience. He owes as much to Western culture as he does to Kenyan culture.

    Again, Ngugi is mediocre; by sales, by critical acclaim, by cultural impact, by whatever metric you desire, he’s nothing special. To compare him to a literary titan like Tolstoy — who was immensely popular and respected during his own lifetime, and whose work has endured for generations yet, and shall continue to endure for as long as Western culture exists — is completely asinine. It demonstrates an inability to measure differences; a lack of discrimination; “how is it possible to say that one culture, or one artist, is superior to another, when by definition there is no such thing as superiority?”

    …You just don’t know any better, perhaps. But go ahead, keep grasping at straws. What’s next? Nigerian inventors? Australian Aborigine physicists?

    merkur Reply:

    You’re either missing my point entirely, or you’re trying to distract yourself from the fact that your argument is about to fall apart beneath your feet. Let’s play your game then: where, then, is the Tolstoy of the Dutch, the Finns, the Montenegrins?

    Erebus Reply:

    @merkur

    What point? That the Dutch haven’t produced their own Tolstoy, and are therefore unaccomplished? Ridiculous.

    Note that I have repeatedly said “Western culture,” not “Russian culture” — and note also that the Dutch have been tremendous contributors to the West. In painting, in engineering, in music, in trade and discovery, and so forth. Allow me to scratch the surface…

    They were among the great sea-faring nations, which is no mean feat, and they also established the first great private corporation in the VOC. To this very day, the Japanese word for “western learning,” rangaku, means “Dutch learning,” as the Dutch, via the VOC, were the first to bring Western books and art to that nation. Modernity owes much to the Dutch.

    Although Jim has argued that all modern Western music comes from Bach, I believe, instead, that it owes at least as much — if not more — to earlier, mainly Dutch, lute music.

    Nothing need be said here about the great Dutch artists, many of whom were as dominant in their fields as Tolstoy was in his.

    In fact I believe, and I think most here would agree with me, that the Dutch alone are almost infinitely more accomplished than the whole of sub-Saharan Africa. The Zulus appear to be simply incapable of producing men and works of genius. The West has produced geniuses and heroes in great abundance.

    @salvern

    Noted. Thank you.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salvern]: “Niggers aren’t as intelligence as Whites. Get over it.”

    {AK}: Obviously, Salvern’s sentence is a characteristic example of ‘White Nationalist intelligence’.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salvern]: “You’re fighting with a Shitskin who blames Whitey for the world’s problems.”

    {AK}: No, he’s defending ‘White’ culture, not blaming it. Can’t you read?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Wagner]: “Knaphni, why did you quote two white guys just now instead of say Mongorians or Kazakhs? Could it be because most of the non-white world is utterly worthless? Well, that’s where white nationalism stems from (at least it’s more refined form).”

    {AK}: “Mongorians or Kazakhs” (sic), or Mongolians or Kazakhs, would be Asian mongoloids, with corollary I.Q.s.
    Of course they would be “utterly worthless” at uttering the tortured convolutory garbage of a desperate & pointless ‘white’, European exceptionalism, unlike yourself.

    Holdsworth’s biggest influence was Coltrane, who wasn’t exactly ‘white’.
    Baudrillard would have chuckled at your question.
    Start trying to actually think, Wagner.
    Be a Bach, not a talentless clod, like your namesake.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Knaphni, the bottom line is would you breed with an aboriginal? If so, do you not mind that your child may be in the special education class for algebra?

    Wagner Reply:

    Btw you forgot to stick scare-quotes around your scare-quotes, which betrays a lack of self-consciousness. You slapstick postmodernists have zero dignity, quit wasting everyone’s time, and quit being racist by relying on Frenchies.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Wagner]: “Knaphni, the bottom line is would you breed with an aboriginal? If so, do you not mind that your child may be in the special education class for algebra?

    {AK}: Wagner, ‘aboriginal’ only means native ethnicity.
    If you’re talking about Australian Aborigines, well, I’m related to them, anyway, as an Indus Valley descendant. So was Ramanujan, the mathematician.

    [Wagner]: “Btw you forgot to stick scare-quotes around your scare-quotes, which betrays a lack of self-consciousness. You slapstick postmodernists have zero dignity, quit wasting everyone’s time, and quit being racist by relying on Frenchies.”

    {AK}: Out of ‘zero dignity’, all dignitaries come.
    Saussure’s differential linguistics, which is the foundation of Structuralism, Post-Structuralism, & French philosophies of difference, such as Derrida’s; is just a replay of Indian Buddhist Apoha linguistics, which goes back 1500 years. In any case, Saussure was influenced by Sanskrit linguistics ( Bhartrhari).
    Wagner, what ‘self’ are you suggesting there should be a consciousness of? lol

    Wagner Reply:

    “If you’re talking about Australian Aborigines, well, I’m related to them, anyway, as an Indus Valley descendant. So was Ramanujan, the mathematician.”

    We’re apparently related to lower life forms too, so where do you draw the line? I’d prefer to make babies with one of Saussure’s (closer, Swiss) descendants than Obama’s, say. And I’d rather read a book by Saussure than anyone ever born in Kenya. Have you checked out Malick Obama’s twitter? Real bright, suave, articulate guy.

    Wagner Reply:

    I would rather read HOMER than anyone ever born in Kenya, and many, many other mud countries. And think of all the development in the West since Homer.

    John Hannon Reply:

    “The Aborigine and the girl – 30,000 years apart, together” –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYl1F5S3msA

    collen ryan Reply:

    Speaking of Russian Literature AK your subjectivist argument ends with “then all is permitted?” So you are welcome to value Zulu tribal rhythms over Mozart and Tepees over Cathedrals, and Toni Morrison over Spenser. You can insist hunter gatherers have a better quality of life than westerners. And we can give ourselves permission to value ourselves and wipe you off the face of the universe with a retrovirus.
    The left killed God and slave morality with it, so stop appealing to it, its the current year. The year of our prophet Trump the Baptiste, who prepareth the way, lays the axe against the root, for that rough beast we have summoned. Amen

    collen ryan Reply:

    Privileges? Of course you mean the earned social trust of whites, redistributed by ZOG?
    Its very Stalinist of you to characterize anger at that theft as a mental illness,

    The whites you claim are simply missing their stolen privileges are not the whites that might have gained privilege by so called oppression, Those whites are the elites pushing your narrative. The angry whites were varied forms of serfs themselves during the time in question.
    But we can skip all that and simply point out that none of this, your alleged oppression of the nonwhites, or your alleged resentment transference of the WNs, could happen were minorities not in whites nations.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [collen ryan]: “Privileges? Of course you mean the earned social trust of whites, redistributed by ZOG?

    {AK}: No, I don’t mean that at all. Your concept of “earned social trust of whites” conflates regulated institutional practice; contractual security; & reputation; all in the service of smooth business transactions; with a nebulous general idea of ‘white’ trustworthiness. This selective focus merely neglects alternative distributions of ‘white’ untrustworthiness. Hiding behind one’s own institutional veneers, won’t work.

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    [collen ryan]: “Its very Stalinist of you to characterize anger at that theft as a mental illness”

    Ok, this is an extension of your initial misreading. But it’s just adding further errors.

    1) Bringing Stalin into it, is pointless, reflecting only the limited sediments of political thought, & perhaps the ideological convolutions, distortions, & overall chaos, of the US political scene. I didn’t write this, but I’m quoting it, as I’ve come to learn the truth of its observation. >

    “[21/11/2012 01:24] [redacted]: well I have to tell you.. Americans love conflict
    [21/11/2012 01:24] [redacted]: it’s their main diet
    [21/11/2012 01:25] [redacted]: they will interpret and bend anything you present into a form which they then can attack and bend it back round to a political semantic
    [21/11/2012 01:26] [redacted]: did you see what Blix did with charity recently .. earlier ?
    [21/11/2012 01:26] [redacted]: that’s the degree these people go to to wind themselves round their political poles”

    Of course, he’s right, because that’s exactly what you’re trying to do in your comment. Whether you’re actually a US citizen or not, you’ve got the style, lol.

    2) Saying, “as compensatory motivational psychology for their feelings of, or actual, inferiority”, in no way indexes psychopathology, so your claim concerning my alleged characterisation is false. Yes, one can choose to characterise it that way, if one chooses, but I did not so choose, in this instance.

    3) Calling restitution of that which was stolen; or gestures of such restitution; or simply the cessation of such institutionalised pilfering; a “theft”; only indicates both a disingenuous & a contradictory, outlook. It presupposes a right to exploit, for whatever reason; exceptionalism, might, etc..
    On the one hand, however, you valorise “social trust”, which might indicate some moral notion of ‘honesty’, etc..
    But, on the other hand, purveying an ethnocentric notion of “social trust”; which, in advance, excludes ongoing structural & historical hostilities committed by ‘whites’ against other ethnicities around the globe; is inherently at odds with any claim purporting ‘trustworthiness’ to be a group quality of ‘whites’, as a whole.
    Even if some ‘white’ exceptionalism or other is proffered as mitigatory justification for such institutional ‘shell games’, this would still be an appeal to the very notions of rightful ‘deserving’ & ‘entitlement’, that you’re rejecting in inter-ethnic contexts.
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    [collen ryan]: “The whites you claim are simply missing their stolen privileges are not the whites that might have gained privilege by so called oppression”

    {AK}: So you say, but you’re wrong. Your wrongness is yet another example of disingenuously narrow selectivity, & blatant hypocrisy, too. Whilst you’re happy enough with the general omission of actually distributed injuries to non-‘whites’ from institutional accounts of ‘social trust’; you all of a sudden conveniently choose to engage in a differentiating argument shifting moral culpability away to so-called ‘elites’, as the beneficiaries of any alleged injustice; the same ‘elites’ largely responsible for the creation of those allegedly ‘high trust’ institutions in the first place.
    It’s just a fact that those ‘high trust’ institutions were enriched by colonial revenue streams that did not exemplify ‘high trust’; that all the peoples of colonising European nations benefited from these colonial revenue streams, to the extent that entire nations were born, & excess European populations could increase in them.
    “And note well — Europe has always been the most densely populated area of the Earth; far more so than Latin America or Asia. Latin America, in fact, is almost under-populated compared to Europe.” (“A Step Farther Out”, Jerry Pournelle)

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    [collen ryan]: “Those whites are the elites pushing your narrative.”
    {AK}: Only as cultural veneer, but not otherwise. Because they are susceptible to its critique.
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    [collen ryan]: “The angry whites were varied forms of serfs themselves during the time in question.
    {AK}: The “time in question”, has been going on for 400 years.
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    [collen ryan]: “But we can skip all that and simply point out that none of this, your alleged oppression of the nonwhites, or your alleged resentment transference of the WNs, could happen were minorities not in whites nations.”

    {AK}: Likewise, none of it would of happened were ‘whites’ to have stuck with honest trade.

    It is interesting to note that Allan Ramsay likewise deplored “a friendly alliance between the camp and the counting-house” for exactly the same reasons (Letters on the Present Disturbances, p.34). Ramsay maintained that of the evil consequences of such alliance “the two last wars carried on by England against France and Spain, furnish a most melancholy illustration. To obtain the sole and exclusive commerce of the western world, in which the French and Spaniards were their rivals, was the modest wish of our merchants, in conjunction with our Americans. The fair, and truly commercial, method of effecting this would have been, by superior skill, industry and frugality, to have undersold their rivals at market: but that method appearing slow and troublesome to a luxurious people, whose extraordinary expences* required extraordinary profits, a more expeditous one was devised; which was that of driving their rivals entirely out of the seas, and preventing them from bringing their goods at all to market. For this purpose, not having any fleets or armies of their own, the powers of the State were found necessary, and they applied them accordingly” (ibid., pp.32 f.).

    Knorr, K. E. ‘Ch02-Part2 British Colonial Theories 1570-1850’. In British Colonial Theories, 1570-1850. The University of Toronto Press, 1944.

    Don’t be stupid. Whatever exceptionalist arguments you dredge up or invent, your so-called ‘elites’ can use against you.
    I’m just saying that you’re all inferior, most of you demonstrate that every time you comment.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    @ AK
    Ok I already linked you to mathematics of White social trustworthiness, along with all the other mathematics of racial difference, which you scoffed at rather than attempted to refute with your own math. I really shouldn’t even reply to that wall of nonsense.

    No, my focus is not selective, it includes everything from Jesse Jackson being relieved its a white man coming up behind him at the ATM at night rather than a black man, to loan repayments, shoplifting, violent crime rates, work/ school absenteeism. I honestly dont think there is a single metric where blacks exceed whites to say little of asians that could conceivable correlate with your privilege meme.It isnt only whites that accord each other trust every one is in the game and the results are what they are, blacks trust whites more than blacks.
    The entire “racist” foundation of new marxism is founded upon blaming others for the outcomes of some, while simultaneously insisting this makes us stronger and we should have more of it.
    Once 100 years of data was in, and it was determined blacks among others could not compete. The cause was alleged to be slavery then education then poverty then racism now privilege. along the way all sorts of ever more bizarre social theory s were invented, as each of these was held for, and knocked down, you constructed an ever more bizarre theory. which is why leftism is now pure absurdity.
    However you are incorrect about our institutional laws, they were changed decades ago to the ridiculous concept of disparate impact, if a minority does less well at anything, that and that alone is deemed incontrovertible evidence of racism and actionable under the law. This means that minorities and only minorities of all americans have legal privilege, this ‘privilege’ is taken by force from those who actually earned it. Its racial redistribution of power money jobs prestige etc. BTW definition of “privilege” is a legal exceptionalism until affirmative action a term applied solely to aristocracy and clergy.
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    I don’t know what you’re trying to imply with this gibberish, The plain fact of it is you are engaging in the Stalinist tactic of implying your enemies arguments need not be refuted systematically, because the enemy is so obviously insane in some way. This tactic has been used to great effect, now that you have so infected the media and academy that you can also combine it with these appeals to authority just as Stalin could. Its a side business of the left in fact the entire social sciences and are devoted to fabricating studies that allegedly prove men are this, and whites are that, etc. Ironically all you have done is so discredit both science and news and the academy that few believe anything, While i realize this was your goal in part I think you didn’t anticipate losing control of the situation as you have.

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    “shifting blame on to so called elites” you find this illogical because (wait for it) we proles benefit as well. LMAOROTF
    You’re really a moron, you must be a black with one of those affirmative action diplomas that hasn’t a clue how to think, but has learned to dress preppie and parrot deconstructive jew speak, like Obama.

    Your theory of a slave dividend enjoyed by all whites is economic garbage, but you’re way too stupid for an economics refutation so we will try some broad strokes.

    If there were such a dividend, if say America wouldn’t have Iphones without slavery,Then African Americans are gaining the same dividend, in fact Africans bush niggers are also gaining it. But of course it absurd.It is worth noting African american are the richest healthiest niggers on the planet.
    As to the’ sins of the father’ aspect of your theory, Wow where to start.

    First of all every culture has had slavery some far far worse than American, which BTW, actually should be called British slavery.The Chinese used to enslave entire cities, murder half, then castrate the remaining ten thousand over the weekend.
    “Whites” ended slavery first in their own land then world wide. During the period in question just as many whites where enslaved by Africans (although the perpetrators were your smarter cousins the north Africans), Whites were also enslaved by their own elites during this time and actually far after this time. As were other cultures enslaved by their elites even to this day. Its worth noting no other recently enslaved group has used it as an excuse for poor performance and bad behavior. Slavery its part of human survival strategy, Evolution, and only your exposure to white christian culture makes you think its wrong.If you, or rather your jew masters, ever manage to dispossess white hegemony you will learn what the sino man free of the qualms of Christianity is capable of.

    But that aside this absurd idea that some slav in russia that arrives in the 20s has benefited from British slavery is absurd it is well documented the Irish immigrant were paid less than the free blacks for instance.Its arguable who suffered worse under British elites but it immaterial in the current year, do you have a statute of limitations on this nonsense or can i go back thousands of years?

    And this Idea that one generation is responsible for what another did stupid in fact as i write i realize I’ve either been trolled or pulled into a conversation with a really stupid person.

    you fight the math on racial difference because it puts the lie to the entire basis of leftism, not only does it more than account for everything ascribed to racism, but it undermines all leftism and the democratioc and tabula rasa pillars.

    You have a point that if WN etc were based on IQ we are setting up for an ever more exclusive cognitive arms race. But they hold no such position. First though, lets be honest Niggers pose all sorts of problems other than intelligence that alone would make any people want nothing to do with them.
    But its not about wanting a nation of the best, I think WN is pretty clear about whites scoring less well than east asians on most of the maths you defend blacks against, its about wanting a nation of ones own, and recognizing that the problems of intra racial difference are far more manageable, than managing the problem of extra racial difference.Recognizing that civilization is hard and rare and cant afford such a handicap. Our elites are as dependent on our abilities as we are on them. A nation is a holistic biological strategy, todays elites may not be tomorrows theres alway a slight variation with its antennae up waiting for a signal. This is the biological reality, That some must lose that others might win, evolution is a zero sum game, Buts its cruelty is somewhat dampened on the individual and planet wide levels through speciation. So you and I are competitors, as such forming one nation is crazy, frankly itd crazier for you because ultimately Im only going to destrot or enslave you again youre stupid and weaker and thats life. Cant you see this multiculturalism, does not benefit minorities either. You are not selected to compete in our world, our world evolved as a penumbra of our biology, and you will always fail in relation to us competing in it against us, just as we would fail competing with you chasing antelopes and chucking spears on the Savannah. Even if you believe [and i think its wrongheaded] that you must compete with us in the modern technological sphere, you are still better off doing that in your own nations. In your own nations you can develop race specific strategies maybe. like longer school days or discipline, or more severe law enforcement or crazy ass religions like Islam that will help you better compete, you can not develop these strategies in a multicultural society. Any way its over liberalism is a laughing stock and dying. When the left killed God they killed slave morality along with it no one cares of course we are racist only crazy creationists believe all men are created equal.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    @collen r.

    Whatever you linked to, is in other discussions, with others.

    There are a lot of points there, but not really any coherent understanding over them all. You assert claims about yourself that your own text belies.
    As merkur said, you need a hot beverage, probably not cocoa though, given your proclivities. lol
    I haven’t got time to go through what you’ve written right now, at least not in any way that wouldn’t point out its weaknesses, & I’m getting bored of doing that. I think another approach is called for, & I’m not sure what that should be. Perhaps Merkur or Daniel Haines could step in, they both have nicely effective writing styles.

    There’s nothing stopping any self-proclaimed ‘superior’, world-conquering materialist imperialist, from winning a fortune in the market, & buying their own private island, where they can control what they choose to see.
    That ‘fact’ is the proof of all exceptionalist puddings who allegedly valorise capitalism.
    It must be hell for you, your writing shows that. No wonder you’re so full of confused hate.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    I’m loving the image of Colleen sitting listening to Mozart while reading Spenser.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Actually despite being several parts Irish, I happen to own a 1897 set of, the one of a kind editors proof of the Crane illustrated,”Spensers The Faerie Queen” As well as a model of the same hand press Morris used to print the Kelmscott Chaucer, Which I am going to use for a secret reactionary printing project. Im fairly sure my library and knowledge of literature and music exceeds the average commentor. NIGGER PLEASE

    Dan Haines Reply:

    You seem to have a great need to convince people you are above average in your intelligence and tastes. Why is that?

    So now I’m really confused. If you’re Irish, you’re not even really white are you?

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Facts might discount the Left’s ideology, therefore we should not learn facts.

    Libtards is indeed an appropriate term.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [FromTheNewWorld]: “In the face of insurmountable evidence citation is not required. Your whole posting career is risible. I’m not interested in engaging with you because you have repeatedly demonstrated that engagement with you is not possible.
    Equivalently, the previously linked to bot has this to say:
    “”Narrativity is dead,” says Sartre. If subcultural narrative holds, the works of Rushdie are an example of self-falsifying nihilism. In a sense, the neosemantic paradigm of context implies that sexual identity has significance.”
    The end.”

    {AK}: “[I]nsurmountable evidence” of what? Genetic differences?
    Did I argue against that? No, I didn’t. So your response is irrelevant.
    Of course ‘engagement’ is “not possible” for those like you, your stupidity might have something to do with that.
    In any case, I have no intention of ‘engaging’ with inferiority.
    Your ‘bot’ quotation is actually better than your own output, & of those like you. Yes, it’s rubbish, only because its contextual handling reflects the incompetence of its initial quoter. No doubt, it has value in some ‘possible universe’.

    Fixated understanding of genetics data, only according to selective inflation of data, & according to whatever ideological concern, does not exhaust genetic possibility. The entire way that you people go about interpretation of data is redolent of the worst kind of religious fundamentalists. ‘Facts’, are always momentary constructions, susceptible to radically different receptions, & to radically different directions of development. The nature of reception is not entirely irrelevant to the nature of development. Ignorant choices, informed only by superficial & confused understandings, only condemn the chooser to an itinerary reflecting those limitations.

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    Salger Reply:

    >privileges

    Do Shaniqua and Pablo have those? After all, they’re eating welfare and White Guilting their way into higher education.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salger]: “>privileges

    Do Shaniqua and Pablo have those? After all, they’re eating welfare and White Guilting their way into higher education.”

    {AK}: You sound envious of “Shaniqua and Pablo”.

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    Salger Reply:

    I’m sure you find Mud Oppression studies to be impressive but that’s not so when you look at the IQs of college majors.

    Posted on November 30th, 2016 at 11:32 am Reply | Quote
  • merkur Says:

    So

    “The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of white nationalism.”

    is equivalent to

    “the entire discipline of genetics is now classified as ‘white nationalist’”?

    Syllogistic fallacy much, mine host?

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Why does anyone bother to reply to the Leftist trolls here? They are entirely divorced from reality. They’re ridiculously focused on the belief that this is a white nationalism blog despite the fact that probably a quarter of the audience is probably nonwhite, like myself.

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    merkur Reply:

    “They’re ridiculously focused on the belief that this is a white nationalism blog despite the fact that probably a quarter of the audience is probably nonwhite”

    This retort would have significantly more force if the previous reply hadn’t been “Niggers aren’t as intelligence as Whites.”

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    admin Reply:

    White nationalist idiocy (of that kind) — while not exactly welcome — is not positively banned. It would be nice, of course, if some rudimentary standards of civility were maintained. Unfortunately, that’s hard to economically enforce. Surely it can be taken as a self-annihilating statement.

    Posted on November 30th, 2016 at 1:24 pm Reply | Quote
  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Science is good, except when it’s bad.

    Non-Leftists cannot wrap their heads around this: to the Left, facts are not only optional, but have only one use, which is to advance Leftism.

    All for the non-God and anything else is blasphemy!

    And sadly they are not referring to the satanic skinheads with a black dude in the band from Canada.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGhDZONa2CQ

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Sailer’s First Law of female journalism states, “The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.”

    And not only the most heartfelt. It suffuses all their output. Of course genetics horrifies Laurel Raymond (Can you imagine a more progressive name?): she’s short and chubby.

    Does she think race is real or not? In this article she seems to think so. She didn’t say “skin color” or “hair texture,” so I assume she believes that regional variations among species exist and can be identified. Isn’t that a hallmark of huh-wyte supremacy?

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    Thales Reply:

    She looks like Lily-the-AT&T-Gril’s homely sister.

    /thread

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Sure, bring in some antisemitism and misogyny too, this thread definitely needs it.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @ merkur Reply:
    November 30th, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    “You’re either missing my point entirely, or you’re trying to distract yourself from the fact that your argument is about to fall apart beneath your feet. Let’s play your game then: where, then, is the Tolstoy of the Dutch, the Finns, the Montenegrins?”

    We could follow your ‘logic’ go a step further and ask where is Tolstoys brothers, War and Peace? But then you would look stupid.

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    merkur Reply:

    I wouldn’t look that stupid, because that isn’t where my logic is going!

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    collen ryan Reply:

    It was exactly your reductive argument shall we take it the opposite direction just for fun?

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    merkur Reply:

    You may have noticed that it wasn’t my reductive argument: it was Saul Bellow.

    Or you may not have noticed. I think you may also be in need of some cocoa and a nap.

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  • S.C. Hickman Says:

    Thinking about the idiocy of such progressives reminds me of the Master of Misperception in Russian Vladislav Surkov. Sorry if it’s too long. This sense that a world of opposition we see is nothing but stagecraft in which the whole gamut of Left/Right is nothing but a well funded narrative to promote the ‘Stability’ of the Oligarchs, etc.

    In his Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible: The Surreal Heart of the New Russia Peter Pomerantsev describes Surkov us:

    Though we are expecting Vladislav Surkov, the man known as the “Kremlin demiurge,” who has “privatized the Russian political system,” to enter from the front of the university auditorium, he surprises us all by striding in from the back. He’s got his famous Cheshire Cat smile on. He’s wearing a white shirt and a leather jacket that is part Joy Division and part 1930s commissar. He walks straight to the stage in front of an audience of PhD students, professors, journalists, and politicians.

    “I am the author, or one of the authors, of the new Russian system,” he tells us by way of introduction. “My portfolio at the Kremlin and in government has included ideology, media, political parties, religion, modernization, innovation, foreign relations, and . . . ” here he pauses and smiles, “modern art.” He offers to not make a speech, instead welcoming the audience to pose questions and have an open discussion. After the first question he talks for almost forty-five minutes, leaving hardly any time for questions after all. It’s his political system in miniature: democratic rhetoric and undemocratic intent.

    As former deputy head of the presidential administration, later deputy prime minister and then assistant to the President on foreign affairs, Surkov has directed Russian society like one great reality show. He claps once and a new political party appears. He claps again and creates Nashi, the Russian equivalent of the Hitler Youth, who are trained for street battles with potential prodemocracy supporters and burn books by unpatriotic writers on Red Square. As deputy head of the administration he would meet once a week with the heads of the television channels in his Kremlin office, instructing them on whom to attack and whom to defend, who is allowed on TV and who is banned, how the President is to be presented, and the very language and categories the country thinks and feels in. The Ostankino TV presenters, instructed by Surkov, pluck a theme (oligarchs, America, the Middle East) and speak for twenty minutes, hinting, nudging, winking, insinuating though rarely ever saying anything directly, repeating words like “them” and “the enemy” endlessly until they are imprinted on the mind. They repeat the great mantras of the era: the President is the President of “stability,” the antithesis to the era of “confusion and twilight” in the 1990s. “Stability”—the word is repeated again and again in a myriad seemingly irrelevant contexts until it echoes and tolls like a great bell and seems to mean everything good; anyone who opposes the President is an enemy of the great God of “stability.” “Effective manager,” a term quarried from Western corporate speak, is transmuted into a term to venerate the President as the most “effective manager” of all. “Effective” becomes the raison d’être for everything: Stalin was an “effective manager” who had to make sacrifices for the sake of being “effective.” The words trickle into the streets: “Our relationship is not effective” lovers tell each other when they break up. “Effective,” “stability”: no one can quite define what they actually mean, and as the city transforms and surges, everyone senses things are the very opposite of stable, and certainly nothing is “effective,” but the way Surkov and his puppets use them the words have taken on a life of their own and act like falling axes over anyone who is in any way disloyal.

    One of Surkov’s many nicknames is the “political technologist of all of Rus.” Political technologists are the new Russian name for a very old profession: viziers, gray cardinals, wizards of Oz. They first emerged in the mid-1990s, knocking on the gates of power like pied pipers, bowing low and offering their services to explain the world and whispering that they could reinvent it. They inherited a very Soviet tradition of top-down governance and tsarist practices of co-opting antistate actors (anarchists in the nineteenth century, neo-Nazis and religious fanatics now), all fused with the latest thinking in television, advertising, and black PR. Their first clients were actually Russian modernizers: in 1996 the political technologists, coordinated by Boris Berezovsky, the oligarch nicknamed the “Godfather of the Kremlin” and the man who first understood the power of television in Russia, managed to win then President Boris Yeltsin a seemingly lost election by persuading the nation he was the only man who could save it from a return to revanchist Communism and new fascism. They produced TV scare-stories of looming pogroms and conjured fake Far Right parties, insinuating that the other candidate was a Stalinist (he was actually more a socialist democrat), to help create the mirage of a looming “red-brown” menace.

    Living in the world of Surkov and the political technologists, I find myself increasingly confused. Recently my salary almost doubled. On top of directing shows for TNT, I have been doing some work for a new media house called SNOB, which encompasses TV channels and magazines and a gated online community for the country’s most brilliant minds. It is meant to foster a new type of “global Russian,” a new class who will fight for all things Western and liberal in the country. It is financed by one of Russia’s richest men, the oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov, who also owns the Brooklyn Nets. I have been hired as a “consultant” for one of SNOB’s TV channels. I write interminable notes and strategies and flowcharts, though nothing ever seems to happen. But I get paid. And the offices, where I drop in several times a week to talk about “unique selling points” and “high production values,” are like some sort of hipster fantasy: set in a converted factory, the open brickwork left untouched, the huge arches of the giant windows preserved, with edit suites and open plan offices built in delicately. The employees are the children of Soviet intelligentsia, with perfect English and vocal in their criticism of the regime. The deputy editor is a well-known American Russian activist for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender rights, and her articles in glossy Western magazines attack the President vociferously. But for all the opposition posturing of SNOB, it’s also clear there is no way a project so high profile could have been created without the Kremlin’s blessing. Is this not just the sort of “managed” opposition the Kremlin is very comfortable with? On the one hand allowing liberals to feel they have a free voice and a home (and a paycheck), on the other helping the Kremlin define the “opposition” as hipster Muscovites, out of touch with “ordinary” Russians, obsessed with “marginal” issues such as gay rights (in a homophobic country). The very name of the project, “SNOB,” though meant ironically, already defines us as a potential object of hate. And for all the anti-Kremlin rants on SNOB, we never actually do any real investigative journalism, find out any hard facts about money stolen from the state budget: in twenty-first-century Russia you are allowed to say anything you want as long as you don’t follow the corruption trail. After work I sit with my colleagues, drinking and talking: Are we the opposition? Are we helping Russia become a freer place? Or are we actually a Kremlin project strengthening the President? Actually doing damage to the cause of liberty? Or are we both? A card to be played?

    Peter Pomerantsev. Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible: The Surreal Heart of the New Russia (Kindle Locations 1024-1042). Perseus Books, LLC. Kindle Edition.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [S.C. Hickman]: “Thinking about the idiocy of such progressives reminds me of the Master of Misperception in Russian Vladislav Surkov. Sorry if it’s too long. This sense that a world of opposition we see is nothing but stagecraft in which the whole gamut of Left/Right is nothing but a well funded narrative to promote the ‘Stability’ of the Oligarchs, etc.”

    {AK}: Steven, the same could be said, mutatis mutandis, of the USA & the UK; it is said, often.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    Petar Pomerantsev is trying to sell the reader to honest Western ideals and oligarchs (agitprop for William Browder is hard to swallow) and seems to be in business of selling himself to neocons. He’s a political technologist. Adam Curtis is also a political technologist. Buyer beware.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    —>”Adam Curtis is also a political technologist.”

    I had thought of this. What do you know of this?

    Anyway, thanks for the info S.C. Hickman.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Apparently if you buy new property in China it´s crap.

    Usually houses in Iceland have very high standards, but I´ve heard one story of a couple of buildings being rushed and having had cheap immigrant labour build it which was totally sub-par.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLIGHXbGfE

    The elevator in this guy´s Chinese home collapsed. The cable snapped. With a whole family inside.

    This seems 10 times worse at least than the worst new building in Iceland.

    “Tofu buildings” they call them. Constant maintenance, noise, hazards, accidents.

    Why this guy chose to race-mix, I don´t know.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Love, it seems.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Stop throwing a wrench in admin’s orientalism man. China is a Kapitalist paradise that will take over the world any minute now.

    (I don’t know how many of you remember the 1960s, ’70s and ’80s. There was, back then, a similar fascination, or a kind of fetishism with the accelerating development of Japan, especially in the late ’70s and the ’80s. but, and this is a huge ‘but’, I can’t remember a single anecdote from that time as bad as all the shit I hear about China — one of my nephews did the same thing these guys did, except he came back to the States with his Chinese wife; China is the world’s biggest crab bucket. A sort of giant Serbia with higher average IQ.)

    Now that everyone is retreating to a protectionist position, China can no longer profit from its mercantilism. It simply doesn’t have the Capital to do it. Not many realise, but the biggest reason for China’s recent rise is that they’ve been defecting on capitalism at everyone else’s expense. It practiced protectionist mercantilism when everyone else was into free trade. This is about to change, and China will experience the biggest market correction the world has ever seen.

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    tsk Reply:

    Nonsense, the chavs would benefit from being colonized by China!

    The chavs are uncouth Frankenstein monsters, because one of them assassinated some selfie-posting leftist politician with a vagina!

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    collen ryan Reply:

    No they would benefit if their own elites would spend a tenth the effort and treasure cultivating them rather than Islam and niggers.

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  • D. Says:

    “No wonder these creatures are losing so badly.”

    Possibly losing badly now (though I wouldn’t be so sanguine), but certainly winning handily for a long period of time. Their very success permitted them to increasingly diverge from reality, and indeed to attempt to reshape reality in accordance with the tenets of their faith.

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  • Wagner Says:

    The difference between NRx and the alt-right is, if aliens invaded earth who were ‘hyperhyperborean’ (they’re ice-aliens) and insisted on ruling, and interbreeding with, whites, NRx would submit and the alt-right would try to preserve a place for muh people. Since those aliens aren’t here, NRx is a mere thought-experiment and should be trying to preserve the hyperboreans.

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  • Daniel Chieh Says:

    For the Leftist, science that does not reinforce their ideology is wrongthink.

    In some ways, their faith to Moloch is pretty touching.

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  • Dan Haines Says:

    Nick

    The meaning of “The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of white nationalism” is perfectly clear. You misinterpret it as a claim that there’s no link between genetics and intelligence. In fact, in the context of the article, it’s clearly reflecting the fact that what is currently known about the role of genetics in intelligence repudiates is pre-genetic ideas about race and racial difference.

    Biology is no doubt partly linked to intelligence, but contemporary genetics does not support the idea of a hierarchy of races or of the separation of races. The genetic variation that produces the physical differences we understand as race is not linked to other kinds of attributes like intelligence or character. Minor random mistakes and mutations in DNA create apparently meaningful differences in appearance. No one knows which genes determine intelligence, but we do know it is not the same genes that colour your skin.

    Genetics overwhelming supports the fact that racism is a delusional belief-system that has no purchase on reality. Historically, it’s also a very recent invention. Politically, it heads for the gas chambers. I know a moral rebuke is not going to interest you, but it’s pitiful to see you spewing this poison to a chorus of approval from your intellectual inferiors. At least this shit-show of yours provides further proof for all the world to see that intelligence is not linked to genetics along ‘racial’ lines.

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    admin Reply:

    Sophistry, in defense of tyranny.

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    merkur Reply:

    Rhetoric, in defense of fallacy!

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    The defence is out there but you refuse to grasp (for) it.
    We’re not your tutors, nor could we be, since you’re not open to learning.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    Is that your new motto?

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    tsk Reply:

    “The genetic variation that produces the physical differences we understand as race is not linked to other kinds of attributes like intelligence or character.”

    It’s not even good sophistry. Surely he must realize that even the most cursory knowledge of racial cranial volumes refutes the above.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    I’ll try to spare us both too much embarrassment by assuming your reference to totally discredited ideas about cranial volumes is a joke?

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    tsk Reply:

    Discredited? Dude, do a simple google search for cranial volume disparity by race, it’s about as controversial as height disparity by race.

    merkur Reply:

    It’s getting almost impossible to tell who genuinely believes this guff, who’s posting to make the true believers look like idiots, and who’s just actively trolling.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    You are way[1], way[2], way[3] out of your depth here, clown.

    This is not your retard[1, 2] echo chamber.

    collen ryan Reply:

    “The genetic variation that produces the physical differences we understand as race is not linked to other kinds of attributes like intelligence or character. Minor random mistakes and mutations in DNA create apparently meaningful differences in appearance. No one knows which genes determine intelligence, but we do know it is not the same genes that colour your skin.”

    One of us is a moron and I know which one. here a hint.
    Youre right

    NIGGERS HAVE DIFFERENT GENES.SOME MAKE THEM AN UGLY BLACK COLOR OTHERS MAKE THEM VIOLENT AND OTHERS MAKE THEM STUPID YET OTHERS MAKE THEM HAVE MORE TWINS AND RAISE THEN R SELECTION AND OTHERS MAKE THEM HAVE NO WORD FOR THE CONCEPT OF FUTURE TIME ANYWHERE IN AFRICAN LANGUAGE EXCEPT AS MODERN WORK AROUND LIKE “WHITE TIME MAYBE”

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Yep, I guessed right – it’s you that is a moron, as your comment shows. You don’t seem to have even an elementary grasp on genetics, or any other subject. I suppose it’s fortunate for you that you seem to have found a home by investing your excess of rage in a racist ideology that is a plain falsehood. It doesn’t matter how much you rant and rail or who you hurt or kill, how much power you think you are gaining, it will never be enough to give any reality to your disturbed beliefs. Your comments show everyone that you will remain a sad loser in denial of reality and consumed with pointless and delusional hatred. Maybe if you tried talking to others you’d realise you’re basically psychotic (try it, they may be able to help).The really funny thing is, you think Nick agrees with you, when his comments show he holds you in utter contempt… It looks to me like you’re just an amusing plaything for his own cyber-gothic ‘beyond good and evil’ theatrics.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    First of all Elections have consequences kekekekekek
    That aside, you wish to conflate hate with science, it doesn’t matter that the haters are stupid and hateful they happen to be correct, Maybe its an accident or maybe its folk wisdom misinterpreted as hate and resentment ,and they’re not so stupid after all, frankly i dont care I dont have to invite them to my dinner parties but i can coordinate the defeat of leftism with them.
    I think its obvious many leftists are intelligent and so you must actually believe your pseudo scientific refutations of HBD so much that you’re unwilling to seriously examine the other more sciency science, and assume it is the real pseudo science.Thats part of the evolutionary approach to information gathering and its understandable.But you should consider most of the people in neo reaction are former leftists, I understand Land was actually a communist. Many many are Jews very few are wasps. And almost all have STEM backgrounds.If your purpose is simply to be disruptive antifa your efforts would be better spent and more appropriate at stormfront. Here your arguments make you look really moronic and juvenile.Its ironic we seem to have as much trouble from stormfront calling us cucks as progs calling us racist. yes we are scientific racists not particularly hateful except to the extent it gives us joy to watch your silly reactions to the word nigger and jew. But hey we are also patriarchs monarchists capitalists some even anti humanists so engage the maths or get lost. And posting links to psychology today peer reviewed abstracts doesn’t cut it around here we need to see the actual data and the replicated data

    merkur Reply:

    “silly reactions to the word nigger and jew”

    Ooooh, don’t forget “shitskins” and “mud people”. We have “silly reactions” to those as well!

    Dan Haines Reply:

    @collen

    Gosh, I had no idea you were so cool. How embarrassing for me! It did seem from your posts like you were a total moron, but now I see that was just to get a rise. Kind of a funny way to spend your time though, eh? Maybe you should be doing some science instead.

    The comments on this page are worse than what I see on Stormfront, since you are by many degrees more delusional, believing yourselves to be an intellectual vanguard. In terms of substance, there’s zero difference between the attitudes expressed there and here. I know you think there is, but it’s just the exact same crap.

    I’d infer from your comment that you don’t actually know Nick, whereas I do and I am well aware of his background prior to this incarnation as an online swamp for breeding neo-fascist mosquitos. He’s always attracted followers, but you lot seem like the bottom of the barrel.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The commenters here are not a Collective. Nor an organization. Mostly strangers.

    Some, evidently, have developmental problems.

    — Who doesn´t?

    Anon Reply:

    Both yourself and merkur are morons. There is no “equivalency” or “misinterpretation” going on. Nick was making an inference from the statement you are quoting. It’s obvious, given the term “so.” Inferences from statements are neither equivalency nor misinterpretation of the original statements. When someone says P, and someone else infers Q from that statement, then the assertion is not that P is equivalent Q. It is also not Q is an interpretation of P.

    The article is saying there is some set of beliefs that range over genetic predisposition of qualities (with intelligence given as an example belief). It then says that this set of beliefs is a major characteristic that distinguishes white nationalism (WN). It’s given a stereotype (linguistic stereotype: a range of possible characteristics, which is named in the belief set) that apply to the prototypical WN. Rather than point out single examples of WNs, the author can now just name the characteristics of what a WN is. The main one being the named belief set above.

    That’s the problem Nick identified in his inference. It is not just talking about the category of WNs and genetics. It’s talking about a specific major characteristic that can be used to tar both rhetorically. It gives the deranged smug totalitarian left (like yourselves) a rhetorical and practical tool to smear any such persons, like they have done in the past with Watson, Razib, and many others that aren’t WNs.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Have you thought about applying this kind of rigorous analysis to some of the other comments above?

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    Anon Reply:

    Thank you for your irrelevant non-response to the issue at hand, coward.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    Accusations of cowardice from someone who has signed in as ‘Anon’ really hit the mark.

    merkur Reply:

    It’s good to see literally everybody in this thread piling in to act as the evidence that proves the original quote that “The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of white nationalism”.

    As opposed to “The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of bell ringing”, or “The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of anarcho-syndicalism”

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    You are a fool. As with Dan, consider my linking you this an act of pity. If you cannot bring yourself to see the world as it rally is, no once can.

    Besides, ignorance is bliss, so why should you be truthful and open minded when familiar lies are a source of so much comfort?

    merkur Reply:

    You guys are insanely good at missing basic points. At no point was I arguing against your religious beliefs. I’ve just been pointing out that your reading comprehension is little better than 10 year olds.

    Which you have – remarkably – just demonstrated again!

    merkur Reply:

    I’ll spell it out though, just so you can calm down and have some cocoa.

    The Original Quote: “The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of white nationalism,” which is true, and is what everybody here is demonstrating.

    This is opposed to (for example) “The belief in the genetic predisposition of qualities like intelligence are [sic] a hallmark of anarcho-syndicalism”, which is clearly not the case.

    What the original quote is not saying – not anywhere close to saying – is that the entire discipline of genetics is now classified as ‘white nationalist’.

    Now you can have some cocoa. It might be time for your nap.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Youre not on a white nationalist blog, in fact your on a blog white nationalist deride and a blog whos author finds white nationalism anathema as do the majority of the readers. So we are not defending whatever positions WNs may or may not hold, though my observation is they do not in fact care much what the science says about genetic difference they simply want self determination and many want a socialist state.
    HBD as a scientific fact is something we would defend here because reality is our thing thus the blogs subtitle involvements in reality. what conclusions one decides to draw from the reality is debated here, and the wisdom of ethno states is considered more for reasons other than ethnic affinity than say local ism generally being a good thing, and hierarchy being a good thing, If thees any ethnic boostering here its generally east asian in nature, or north western european, not whiteness per se. You’re on the wrong website talking past the wrong opponents.

    merkur Reply:

    I never said that this was a white nationalist blog, but you’re definitely spinning the white nationalist classics on the radio station playing in your head.

    Whether its old-timey classics like “NIGGERS HAVE DIFFERENT GENES”

    or newer tracks like “SOME MAKE THEM AN UGLY BLACK COLOR OTHERS MAKE THEM VIOLENT AND OTHERS MAKE THEM STUPID”

    and even really deep cuts like “YET OTHERS MAKE THEM HAVE MORE TWINS AND RAISE THEN R SELECTION”.

    One thing we can say for sure is YOUR PLAYLIST IS KEK.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    You don’t need to spell out anything merkur. That’s exactly what your problem is. You’re retreating into anal-retentiveness as a last line of defence. (Or, if you’d prefer a kinder phrasing, since you folks are keen on displays of kindness, you’re being overly literal.)

    Text communicates meaning on more levels than the merely literal. Context, allusion, framing. All these are not just relevant, but often times most relevant to the detriment of clarity and integrity. “Journalism” is not mathematics.

    And indeed, as has been the case for decades now, there is among the propagandist class a relentless, ongoing effort of trying to excise hereditarian positions from polite discourse, once such attempt being the example this post opens up with.

    You can avoid truth for only so long before truth eats you back up.
    Lies have a price. Your funds are not infinite.

    Anon Reply:

    Merkur, I’ve been over your lack of skill in argumentation about a year ago where I blew you the fuck out and you didn’t bother responding: http://www.xenosystems.net/moron-bites-7/#comment-258964

    This post, and the posts in this thread, are also indicative of your same lack of skill.

    Your responses in this comment chain are more of the same thing.

    One is irrelevant claims lacking support (“you are evidence of x”), and the other is a restatement of your garbage claims above that lack any sort of argumentation (“durrr I’ll spell it out, x says y, it doesn’t say z”). Re-stating your claims without rational support is not an argument. You haven’t spelled out anything, you dunce. You’ve given nothing to suggest how your argument works in a fully fleshed out way. Same as above with your claims about a “syllogistic fallacy” being present, while simultaneously confusing inferences with equivalences. Hence why I didn’t respond to that initial comment, because we’ve been over this a year ago where it was clear you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to logic and language. It’s like talking to an arrogant moron who thinks he knows more than he does.

    Dan Haines, meanwhile, is a typical coward for not responding to me.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    I did reply to you. And I know what an inference is. Nick made a false one. It seems like a bit of a badge of honour on this site.

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    Anon Reply:

    >I did reply to you.

    You gave an irrelevant non-response in the form of a question that has nothing to do with the issue in the OP. No assertions, no backing up your claims that revolve around the issue, nothing to back up an attack on your claims. That’s a cowardly response that isn’t even a reply. Also, the fact you went after my ‘nym — instead of the crux of the issue (the discussion about the OP) — says all you need really.

    >And I know what an inference is.

    If you did, you’d give an argumentative response to my claims, instead of being a deflective coward, which you are.

    merkur Reply:

    Anon – I just built the scaffold mate, then I just stand back and wait for you to pull the lever.

    But no! Surely casual readers will recognize you all for the Brave Truth Seekers (TM) that you are?

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    Anon Reply:

    merkur, what’s happening is here that you can’t hang on my level. Like I said a year ago, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. It’s the same conversation over and over. It’s been a year and you haven’t changed. I respond with an analysis of your unsupported claims. You respond with snark and more unsupported claims. I blow that out of the water. You respond with more snark. Like Grotesque Body said a year ago, you are a troll. That, or extremely arrogant and stupid.

    (If people are here so easy to deal with, you would have thought that you and Dan can respond to my claims above directly and with ease. Somehow you are both incapable of that. Funny how that works, I guess. I’m done here for now, since I’m working on tit-for-two-tats, and both of you have wasted my time in your responses.)

    Erebus Reply:

    You simply don’t understand genetics, or biology generally. I’m not going to bother correcting you. I will suggest a second argument, which might be easier for you to comprehend: Culture is downstream of race. Savagery is, in reality, more suited to the likes of the Africans and Aborigines, civilization more suited to the West — as, indeed, modern “global” civilization is a product of the West, and the dark-skinned races suffer greatly under it.

    The Zulus cannot produce a Cambridge, an Amsterdam, or even a single man of genius, any more than I can levitate! Why do you suppose this is?

    Truly, I’m not convinced that the inferior races are sentient at all. Their thoughts take only the direction of fear about their sustenance; their native religions and fables are of the simplest and most insipid sort; they are incapable of philosophy. (When their sustenance is provided for, by excessively benevolent Western governments, their thoughts typically turn to perverse, dull, and malicious ends — drugs, cheap lowbrow entertainment, and sex, primarily.) You have no proper idea of the difference, of the profound breach, between the mind of Western man and the mind of the savage. To assume that there is no genetic basis for this is blindness. You either cannot see the light of truth, or you turn away from it. Pitiable weakness in either case.

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    merkur Reply:

    “Savagery is, in reality, more suited to the likes of the Africans and Aborigines, civilization more suited to the West”

    The minimum 80 million dead of two World Wars raise their glasses in a toast to your superior historical knowledge.

    Meanwhile the Chinese – the people that white supremacists sometimes try to use as a shield against accusations of racism?

    Taiping rebellion: 20 million dead. Three Kingdoms war: 36 million dead. Qing dynasty conquest: 25 million dead.

    But sure, “”Savagery is, in reality, more suited to the likes of the Africans and Aborigines”. I’ll put it on a post-it note.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    You forgot the indigenous death toll for the ‘discovery’ of America and the trans-Atlantic slave trade. They seem kind of pertinent.

    merkur Reply:

    “I might mention that I think that the West is too soft-hearted — not nearly cruel enough… Western culture is worth preserving.”

    So to summarize: Western culture is worth preserving, but only if it becomes more cruel. What’s your personal contribution to this great endeavour – drowning kittens in a sack?

    Salger Reply:

    > You forgot the indigenous death toll for the ‘discovery’ of America

    What about it? Plagues happen.

    >and the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

    You mean the one where Blacks enslaved other Blacks? Are you going bring up the Muslims who had slaves.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    What the hell are you talking about the Zulus for? Although if this is your touchpoint for a discussion of race it does neatly situate your comments and world-view as about 140 years out of touch with reality. Your comments reflect Victorian era imperialist race psychosis admirably.

    Your comments make me wonder how you cope living on a planet in which white people are a minority. Are you able to leave the house? Or are you so afraid of meeting a dark-skinned savage who is incapable of thought that you have to stay in all the time? It must be hard. Maybe white nationalism will finally send them all home and you can see daylight again.

    I don’t want to worry you, but you do realise that most ‘white’ people are heavily genetic interbred with other groups, eh? The enemy is is probably already within.

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    Erebus Reply:

    @merkur
    By savagery, I meant the state of “living in nature” — primitive and uncivilized. I clearly didn’t intend the word to mean “brutal and cruel in warfare.” (Though, having touched on the point, I might mention that I think that the West is too soft-hearted — not nearly cruel enough.)

    Take these folks, for instance. They seem happy enough, don’t they? They are doing what comes naturally to them — just as their ancestors have done since time immemorial. These are obviously not the descendants of Greece and Rome; they are not the descendants of mighty civilizations, seafaring empires, or mathematicians and philosophers. By dragging such primitives into Western civilization, we injure them, and they injure us. Just as no two men have ever been created equal, so are races, cultures, and societies unequal.

    @Dan Haines
    Zulu is convenient shorthand for “negro.”

    How exactly am I out of touch with reality? One of the greatest problems of this age is that people reflexively assume that 19th century Victorian attitudes were wrong, when, very much to the contrary, they have been vindicated at every turn! (Schopenhauer is never wrong, and he himself wrote that “the highest civilizations and culture, apart from the ancient Hindus and Egyptians, are found exclusively among the white races.”)

    As far as I’m concerned, personally, I neither fear nor hate non-whites. I don’t even dislike them. But we must realize that (i) certain cultures are superior to others, (ii) there are genetic/ethnic reasons for this, (iii) people from inferior cultures, who typically have significantly lower intelligence on average, are, on the whole, generally incompatible with Western civilization.

    Simply put: Western culture is worth preserving. I’d hate to see it destroyed by demographic and dysgenic catastrophe. Soft heads and soft hearts, such as yours, invite this catastrophe.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    @Erebus

    Since ‘Zulu’ has only one letter less than ‘Negro’, that is a very unconvincing explanation. But by all means base your view of others on a Michael Caine movie.

    ‘Schopenhauer is never wrong’ gave me a good laugh. Is that meant to be an argument?

    This

    “we must realize that (i) certain cultures are superior to others, (ii) there are genetic/ethnic reasons for this, (iii) people from inferior cultures, who typically have significantly lower intelligence on average, are, on the whole, generally incompatible with Western civilization.”

    is entirely false. All cultures think they are superior to others. There are no people from inferior cultures outside of your naive parochialism. There is no Western civilization that is not in continuous contact and exchange with other cultures.

    But at least you can see clearly that your worldview belongs to the Victorian era. I can see how that would make life very difficult for you to cope with.

    Erebus Reply:

    Schopenhauer is never wrong, or, at least, is so infrequently wrong that it makes little difference. He is the most sagacious, insightful, and clear-minded of philosophers. And not only was he a great philosopher, he was a great observer of humanity. On religion, on art and aesthetics, on literature, on race, on politics, on women — he lifts the veil, sees things as they truly are (or should be!), and describes them precisely. I realize that I stuck to the present tense, but, truly, his works are as valid and as insightful today as they ever were… with the minor caveat that some of his scientific conjecture is, of course, outdated.

    As for:
    “[(i)] is entirely false. All cultures think they are superior to others. There are no people from inferior cultures outside of your naive parochialism. There is no Western civilization that is not in continuous contact and exchange with other cultures.”

    You display a total lack of discrimination and discernment. The West exists as a specific entity, just as “Chinese culture” and “Islamic culture” are specific and well-defined entities; it extends in an unbroken chain from Greece to the present day; it is responsible for the overwhelming majority of the world’s technological advances and scientific discoveries. It is responsible for the very vast majority of its philosophical systems. It has contributed, by a tremendous margin, the bulk of its great art and enduring literature. It has proven unparalleled in war. It has produced men of genius in the greatest abundance. It is now mimicked, to greater or lesser extent, by virtually all other cultures! (Though perhaps this is reflexive, not conscious, mimicry. And, in some cases, it is surely an imposition.) How, then, is Western culture not superior to the others? How, in particular, is it not superior to sub-Saharan African culture, which has produced precisely nothing?

    I hold that it it is possible to measure cultures by what they produce. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? If one takes this for granted, as I believe one must, then point (i) is true. The others follow.

    Your argument essentially boils down to “there is no such thing as superiority.” It is demonstrably false, and, moreover, is implicitly resentful of superiority.

    By the way, is there a black Schopenhauer?

    Salger Reply:

    Psst, Blacks owned and sent off slaves. And the Redskins butchered each-other, Whites, and got whooped by plague.

    merkur Reply:

    Yes, look how happy they are in their natural habitat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVESsquYn64

    I’m starting to think you might be a time traveller, Erebus!

    I know the C21 is confusing, but we’re here to make your trip as smooth as possible.

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    Erebus Reply:

    You have a knack for making illogical arguments.

    The video you’ve linked to is, in fact, precisely what I’m talking about. What you’ve showed me of Kenya depicts a poor simulacrum of the West — a sad bit of mimicry. It exhibits nothing indigenous, instead it exhibits all the trappings of modern “Global” civilization. Kenyans themselves could not have produced the trappings of such a civilization; they cannot sustain it without aid; the very vast majority of them cannot even comprehend the society they live in, nor do they know where it came from. (You need look no further than Rhodesia…)

    Indeed, everything in that video has been imported, from the technology on display, to the clothing the people wear, to their aims and ideas themselves. The funniest part? That a white man founded the “tech center” featured in that video!

    And for all that — for all the aid and assistance they’re given, for all the tech incubators and universities that have been built for them — what have they produced? Nothing noteworthy at all; they are still wholly reliant upon the West. I think they should abandon the pretense of mimicking our culture and go back to herding goats and hunting in the bush, as they were just a few short generations ago. They’d likely be happier that way.

    …Savagery is, in reality, more suited to the likes of them, just as technological civilization suits the West. By allowing them to immigrate, and by imposing the trappings of modern civilization onto them, we do a disservice to them and grave harm to ourselves.

    merkur Reply:

    How did I guess that your eyes would immediately be drawn to Erik, and completely ignore Juliana.

    We could keep this going for AGES, but I gave you enough rope and you’ve done the job perfectly.

    In fact, I’m not sure you even needed me to supply the rope…

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  • sanjax Says:

    Wagner asks: “do you not mind that your child may be in the special education class for algebra?”

    But in the UK (for example) most of the kids in the bottom maths classes are white. How is this? Would you say it is because non-whites have dragged them down? Wouldn’t this rather contradict the point that it’s all a matter of genetics?

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    Erik Reply:

    First I’d say: Have you controlled for share of population, or is this just a restatement of the fact that most of the kids in the UK are white?

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    sanjax Reply:

    am actually thinking of cities in which most of the kids are not white, hence the question.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I’m bad at math myself, ironically, and I don’t really follow stats-related arguments very well, but it does stick out as curious to me that the same white people who (self-flagellatingly) relegate their fellows to inferior to Asians in math will (self-repressingly) omit to relegate aboriginals to inferior to whites in it. Lots of contradictio ad hierarchica like this, in both directions – for instance, WN’s tend to “forget” that the Greeks were influenced by the Egyptians and the Medievals were influenced by the Islamic Golden Age. Or, closer to my tastes, the average “redpilled” secular intellectual could be reduced to humiliation by a Japanese Zen master in a matter of seconds. For every tribe, a shaman–I take that to be a law. Exceptions exist. But some races have a higher rate and quality of shaman-types than others. Islamists may have an Averroes but they don’t have a Descartes (they probably lopped his head off). The Chinese were intellectually castrated by Confucius:
    “1. Tze-Kung wanted to eliminate the sheep from the sacrifice to the new moon.
    2. Confucius said: You, Ts’ze, love the sheep, I love the rite.
    1. Someone said: What does the sacrifice mean? Confucius said: I do not know. If one knew enough to tell that, one could govern the empire as easily as seeing the palm of one’s hand.” [trans. Pound]

    Aristotle took more of a scientific approach to the rites of his time (his theory of purgation) and if one reads his Politics one comes away thinking he knew society “like the back of his hand”–until Machiavelli… but China had neither an Aristotle nor a Machiavelli. And the great men of a culture move into its people’s bones. An exchange from Jan ’16 XS elucidates this point well:

    … nationalism becomes an enemy of civilization when it believes that Shakespeare is great because he was English, rather than that England is great because it produced Shakespeare.

    Christensen

    England is great because it was produced by people such as Shakespeare.

    Bettega

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    —>>it does stick out as curious to me that the same white people who (self-flagellatingly) relegate their fellows to inferior to Asians in math will (self-repressingly) omit to relegate aboriginals to inferior to whites in it. Lots of contradictio ad hierarchica like this, in both directions<<

    well phrased. intellectually noted.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    The answer is pretty simple — you’re numerically illiterate. You’re also pretty wrong on the facts, and, inasmuch as what you get right is right, your intuition about other human beings is appallingly poor.

    There are 3 extremely obvious factors and 1 very simple process which depends on those factors that explain the phenomenon. It is however my firm belief that people who cannot see the obvious do not deserve to know it. ‘God’ wills it so, therefore you do not know.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    You know around here we do the maths so if you have some share it, if you read Jayman laGriffe HBD chick or the thousand actual scientists they link you with, you will see actual mathematics you know with numbers and symbols? All you do is bluff go peddle that crap on huffpo no one heres buys anything without crunching the numbers. so if you want to lay out some numbers we will be happy to laugh at them for you

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    ” Around here we do the maths”. No, you do not.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Or, as our dear friends would say: educate yourself.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I don’t pretend to be perfect. I have a decent bullshit-detector, though, and often when you speak it goes off the charts.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    I doubt you have any sort of bullshit detector, let alone a functional one. For one, that reply wasn’t even directed at you, and the point was so simple (i.e. this crap has been talked about to death, and the information is freely available) that it’s hard to imagine between what lines you think you detected whatever it is you think you detected.

    sanjax Reply:

    Or were these comments were directed at me – ? Self-education – indeed, am trying, but sorry, it isn’t obvious to me even if FromTheNewWorld thinks it should be, so couldn’t someone explain what the 3 factors and the 1 process are?

    Dan Haines Reply:

    Really? I thought you did precisely ‘pretend to be perfect’, by believing in the extraordinarily false claim of white superiority? And you seem to spout nothing but bullshit?

    collen ryan Reply:

    @ new world warmed over

    “Or, as our dear friends would say: educate yourself.”

    We already have, that’s why we’re racists, here you try, have a red one they’re delicious.

    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    “We [may] already have” but Dan Haines and Sanjax (and many others) obviously have not. (You seem to be about as functionally literate as Wagner.)

    merkur Reply:

    Thanks for the link to that FAQ. I haven’t laughed so much since Trump was elected!

    collen ryan Reply:

    Well if you spend 150 years and tens of trillions and still cant the whites back up yes. or we could just give them IQ tests

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  • merkur Says:

    “Unfortunately, that’s hard to economically enforce. Surely it can be taken as a self-annihilating statement.”

    Your own statement strikes me as more self-annihilating, host. There’s some ancient folk wisdom of the white race that might apply here: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas; or perhaps, you made your bed, now lie in it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    @merkur
    I’m pretty sure, thats Kaffur folk wisdomMerk.
    But I would also add that until very very recently all the best people regularly referred to the niggers as niggers or some such colloquialism. So self annihilating oneself for calling a dog a dog would surely be some form of religious gesture.

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    merkur Reply:

    And I’m certain that you’re one of the best people, so please carry on with your folk tradition!

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    collen ryan Reply:

    merkur Reply:
    December 1st, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    Thanks for the link to that FAQ. I haven’t laughed so much since Trump was elected!

    Snark thats brilliant

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Kind of ironic that link is to a black mans website are you laughing at a black mans science?

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    merkur Reply:

    Do tell me more about this “black mans science”…

    Dan Haines Reply:

    Why would you believe what that page says when you apparently think black people are incapable of being intelligent..?

    It’s not so complicated. For reasons that escape me, you freak out when people play down the significance of race and act as if they’re claiming what we call race doesn’t exist. But they only downplay it because they’re worried about your race psychosis.

    I don’t believe you’ll find anyone who literally denies racial difference i.e. variation skin colour etc. But there are plenty of people who reject the idea that beneath racial difference is an immutable thing, race, that determines intelligence, behaviour or, most importantly, moral value. Lots of people – the people you of course deride – are comfortable with and celebrate human difference, rather than adopting the worldview of the KKK and the Nazi party. They’re not being coerced. They’re just not racist nutjobs.

    The really strange thing is that even if I believed for a moment that there is a racial hierarchy, I don’t see how that connects to or justifies your aggressive racist attitudes. Developmentally, a child is not intellectually or emotionally as sophisticated as a adult. Generally the approach is to support and help them, not to denigrate and threaten to deport them or blame them for dragging down the world of adults. From where do you get the idea that racial inferiority, if it was real, would justify an attitude of contempt and cruelty? Certainly not from the ‘white’ cultural tradition you claim to venerate. That tradition proclaimed that all men are created equal, banned slavery, and created the idea of inalienable human rights. However hypocritically, it champions love and charity as supreme virtues.

    The problem you seem to have is a basic lack of human kindness and empathy. The views on this page reflect a total moral void. All you express is fear and hatred.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    “You apparently think black people are incapable of being intelligent” is an extremely strong claim to make. See, there is a fine but very pertinent distinction between what these two statements quantify, dear Dummy Dan —

    1. All goats have 4 legs.
    2. Goats have 4 legs.

    Failure to differentiate between the two is a common characteristic of imbeciles and fools. It is not a failure due to improper valuation. it is not a failure of a qualitative nature. It is a properly quantifiable failure of not knowing-what and not knowing-how.

    You are utterly incapable of nuanced thinking, (at the very least) when it comes to this subject. That is why you are both an imbecile and a fool. Your grandstanding is pointless, because you’re clueless.

    Shut up and learn. That’s the only thing you should do.

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  • Wagner Says:

    “It’s only silly when you get to the very
    distant end of a most abstruse philosophy.
    On the surface it’s obvious. It’s the
    objection of the burglar to electric lights
    and bells. You can imagine him having
    enough foresight to vote against a town
    councillor who proposed an appropriation
    for the study of science in general.
    Something might turn up which would put
    him out of business.” (Crowley)

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  • admin Says:

    I’ve deleted a few of the most grotesque comments. They were giving me a headache. Try to keep it out of the gutter.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s your blog, but retention of the “grotesque” retains authenticity, too.

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    merkur Reply:

    Thanks, admin. I’ll try to keep it out of the gutter, but some of these folks are really easily triggered!

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s very ‘Politically Correct’ of you, ;)!

    Or is it that you’ve worked out that all of it is easily reversible, by ‘superior intelligence’, in ways that actually demonstrate ‘superiority’?

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  • Dan Haines Says:

    @TheNewWorld

    The following statement by collen ryan is what I would consider (in your words) “an extremely strong claim” to make:

    “NIGGERS HAVE DIFFERENT GENES.SOME MAKE THEM AN UGLY BLACK COLOR OTHERS MAKE THEM VIOLENT AND OTHERS MAKE THEM STUPID YET OTHERS MAKE THEM HAVE MORE TWINS AND RAISE THEN R SELECTION AND OTHERS MAKE THEM HAVE NO WORD FOR THE CONCEPT OF FUTURE TIME ANYWHERE IN AFRICAN LANGUAGE EXCEPT AS MODERN WORK AROUND LIKE “WHITE TIME MAYBE””

    I think I gave a rather polite paraphrase of collen’s statement when I rendered this as “You apparently think black people are incapable of being intelligent”.

    I’d love you to explain to me how this was me being an imbecile.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    I already explained it to you. Twice. Collen may be intellectually crude and foulmouthed. But at least he’s perambulating in the right direction, to the best of his abilities. You don’t even know where you are.

    I’m not going to do more than that since I was kinder than (I think) you deserve and gave you direct pointers to help you understand just how fucking wrong on the facts you are. No one here is willing to hold your hand through this shit.

    Come back and make moral judgements after you’ve straightened yourself out on what the facts really are.

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    sanjax Reply:

    unfortunately it starts to look as though it’s FromTheNewWorld who doesn’t know where he (she?) is. “I know but I’m not telling you” isn’t going to win anyone over.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Two words: one starts with ‘q’, the other starts with ‘t’. I’m still waiting for you to do your homework and get the basics down.

    collen ryan Reply:

    @merkur
    Because first, if you actually even skimmed the pages I linked for you, you would have realized he has archived thousands of studies books blogs etc of highly accredited scientists over a hundred years. If you actually read a little you would have noticed jayman is that rare thing a very intelligent black man, and his analysis and translation of the science is first rate, And he is also an amateur scientist himself, if you were remotely qualified to follow his arguments you would realize his amateur work was first rate, and worthy of the long history of amateur contribution to science. Hes also a progressive and black and since leftists are more interested who than what its worth noting.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Well you did provoke me with that incredibly stupid comment i replied to. Every three or four words constituted a lie or a moronic understanding of the science or agitprop. The thing is you’re having an argument with at best 70s science with 70s crackers who are not here. You’re just wrong all over the board, and its annoying.You implied and actually seem to believe that someone thinks melanin genes are intelligence genes, or that we dont understand how bell curves overlap or the whole brain size from Morton to Goulds fraud to the current MRI measurements being compared to the abilities of live subjects, or for that matter thats theres still some problems with brain size theory when applied across species.
    And no ones hanging their hats on skull measurements, but we are not buying your 70s mis measure BS either. Yeah we get black people can be intelligent, do you get how significant an entire SD is, and how significant the shape of those curve are, what the tails imply? Do you concede that pure blooded aftrican are at least two standard deviations off. This isn’t hate, whats hate is the last 150 years of blood libel against prole whites for black under performance when frankly you dont need 150 years of science and a 100 trillion dollars of remediation to tell that blacks are just not that bright and everything ascribed to racism is much more easily explained by black genetic traits.Is it really any wonder prole whites learning these facts however roughly seize on them as vindication?
    How is this you being an imbecile? You make statement that reveal you really dont know the first thing about genetics or evolution or HBD, That you dont even understand how to tell real science from agitprop science. That you havnt even the intelligence to infer the intelligence of the people youre arguing with, what they are arguing, or frankly mustering a coherent argument yourself. HBD is real, its significant, and its implications are huge for any multicultural society, Personally i think the WNs are correct regardless of why they hold their views, the major races are too far apart in too many areas to make a multicultural society workable.They are being squeezed by a small minority of cognitive elites that wont assimilate east asians and jews, and a majority of violent low IQ minorities below them. These alien elites and their race traitor white elites conspirators,use the tools of cultural Marxism, Christianity, post christian slave morality, and corporatism guised as capitalism, to dispossess the whites unable to ascend the tower. The danger of this has gotten much worse as its progressed because now cognitively qualified whites can no longer ascend the tower unless legacy elite offspring. And even then only if they pass through a sieve that sifts more for compliance than intelligence, we are reverting to aristocracy over meritocracy because jews and east asians use NAM inability to compete to squeeze out the white competition through affirmative action feminism and white privilege memes. I dont know why white nationalist or neo nazis thing what they think or even what they think.But I have no doubt white nations would do an order of magnitude better without the white mans burden and without jews and east asians if they cant be brought to heel.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    If white people are superior, then how would the problems you seem to think exist even be possible? Superior white people would not believe libels about white people. Superior white people would not be negatively affected by interactions with other races -wouldn’t their natural superiority shine through? There would be no need for white nationalism to exist if white people were naturally superior. A gazelle never hunts down a lion.

    Still, for reasons that escape me, you seem to want very badly to argue for white people as naturally superior.. which means you also have all these arguments to try to explain why despite this natural superiority, white people are losing a battle against others. Apparently as well as being inferior, other races are conspiring against white people. I think their master stroke in this conspiracy must have been tricking white people into colonising, oppressing, and sometimes even committing genocide against them. They really fooled us there as to their master plan.

    You embrace a flagrant contradiction. As your prized white culture demonstrated 2,500 years ago: if you believe ‘the weak are oppressing the strong’ then your definitions of ‘weak’ and ‘strong’ need some rethinking.

    But despite the logical dereliction of these inanities that you think are higher wisdom of ‘the facts’, your biggest problem may well be that most of the ideas you see as your enemy are the ideas produced and endorsed by white people. Feminism, Socialism, Christianity… these movements are all all intimately tied up with Western European culture. If white people are naturally superior, how is it that these ‘white’ ideas aren’t also superior?

    In reality (remember that place?) you seem to want to select a rather small, unpopular set of ideas from within white culture and claim that this is a superior cultural heritage. In doing so, you jettison the majority of the white culture you claim to value. You claim an undeniable white superiority on the basis of ideas that most white people don’t even accept.

    That’s not very convincing.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Sociaism Marxism Feminism and multiculturalism are jewish ideas, come on Frankfurt school much? That said.
    Most around here that are neo reactionaries at least, think as moldbug posits, that leftism is an accelerated Calvinism, a sort of post Christ Christianity that’starts with holier than thou Puritans, through the transcendentalist Unitarians freeing the niggers and bitches and Harvard conquering the world,on into SJWs.
    The leftist morbidity is a holiness signalling spiral, ending in holier than Jesus, and it is beginning to feed on itself. I would add Nietzsche seems to concur with his prediction of a slave morality outliving its theocracy for some period.

    So according to moldbug, demotism is the ultimate cause, neo nazism or any populism or politics is a trap, is doomed to rinse and repeat. Although they would say fascism is the inevitable result of democracy, collapse is the end of democracy.

    No one here would use the term supremacy, we would think about selection for what environment. Gnon is the god here, the god of nature, meaning evolution. The game you cant game, because its always gaming your game ad infinitim, So no ones going to take that bait, if the Amerindians retake america hoka hey they deserve it.Yeah even if its because cucks like you were not killed before you opened the gates to them, then yeah, they still deserve it, until they dont.

    Land is big on IQ,its hard not to be, but its not the only trait in town, and its probably at least semi directly the cause of our possibly fatal cuckism. But none of that bars WNs trying to put up a defense even at this late date, its our biological duty for all mankind to wipe the rest of mankind off the planet and thrive. Well maybe, if thats what it takes it is. Its certainly our duty as a variation of our species to survive, to thrive, to multiply, and out compete for resources. Land thinks AI will pick up the baton, you can imagine how the White nationalist feel about him, which is why there are so many about these days, they are out for his blood, But he just keeps playing chess up in his Asiatic blade runner pyramid waiting for Gnon to send him Rutger Hauer.
    White people are selected for the environment that co evolved with them. Animals are almost entirely selected by the natural environment, mankind was able to modify the natural environment, and develop cultures; this made man able to participate to a greater and greater extent in his own evolution,
    Its not nature v nurture; culture is part of the biology, the penumbra, feedback loop. So culture is neither fungible nor transferable.

    Their are significant heritable traits between Chinese rice farmers who must intensely cooperate in terraced slope irrigation farming, as opposed to autonomous wheat farmers. How did Jews or east asians get so smart? Its thought talmudic study and imperial exams selected for preferable status and marriage.
    At its height the catholic church forbade cousin marriage even unto 6th cousins.Is this a cultural thing? Do you think it might have effected the sexual reproduction of that group, had a biological expression? At the same time Muslim religion practiced the most consanguineous forms of cousin marriage fathers brothers daughter, {Here this woman https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/ has thought a lot about the implications of human mating the world over, fascinating } Can you imagine how a cousin marriage culture might produce a biologically clannish people? And a cousin marriage prohibitive culture produce a high stranger trust society? Can you imagine the implications? Might a high trust group be able to have more complex forms of government and economics, more complex social groups, might that further change them biologically?

    Do you think moving to colder climates might be an IQ sieve, mightn’t it also select for more co operation, and therefor less aggression? Might having to plan around seasonal weather rather than hunt and gather in a southern climate select for future time orientation? Might a more cooperative culture develop a religion that stresses co operation, could did that lead to non cousin marriage?

    Do you really think its reasonable that non Africans could spend 2/3 of human existence sexually isolated, hybridize gene flow with entirely different hominids, and be selected under such extremely different natural and cultural pressures, and come away from it with only a different skin color?

    You are free to make your own judgement on if a particular races civilization is a more superior one, that subjective. You’ll have a hard time transcending your races biases, but less so if your european because one of our biases is to have as few biases as possible, but still thats a bias, Praise Gnon . But you’re not free to argue sensibly that Africans would do as well in a European environment as Europeans if not for racism,when all the evidence shows they don’t, except in sports and a few things that cross over from their strengths. Frankly i wonder if we have created an environment that is worth excelling at, are we happier,but thats another argument. Land seems not to care what we like, or whether humans even continue, as long intelligence evolves.

    This is worth mentioning because you so misconstrue our position. This is understandable because as I said there are WNs about, It will take you a year to grok why we wont throw them under the bus, The rule is no enemies to the right, So we will never denounce them as Racists. [Unless you would have us make racism a leftist position?] No i didnt think so, but its debated rather hotly around here at times. We will critique them as socialist when they are in fact also socialists.We will critique them as demotists if they are democrats, well some of us will. But we are never going to denounce them for stating the scientifically correct truth that the races a very different and those differences matter, everyone needn’t be a geneticist to talk roughly about this. Finding technical mistakes is usually really beside the point.

    Reactionaries at least neo reactionaries are cameralist , maybe sort of , like i said it will take you a year. But suffice it to say we think local is better, we think power is most intelligently exercised over its own dominion, that it knows best, Patchwork is the byword. So we applaud the breakup of the EU, We root for the Catalans and the Basques and even the Californians recent attempt at independence, Seasteading why not? So white nationalism why not? Oh sure it raises questions how, who, where? But in principle we are in favor of autonomy, that is not to say excessive individual liberty. Like I said its complicated educate yourself, or dont; but dont come barging in half cocked being rude to people you know nothing about. Who asked you? These blogs are only nominally public, all reactionary blogs. They are mostly open because we fear not truth, but we dont believe in politics so we have no dog in this fight of yours. In fact Clinton is our girl, we always to the extent we care which we dont, back the farthest left candidate, the sooner the leftist singularity the sooner the collapse, the sooner the end of democracy is our position.

    Posted on December 2nd, 2016 at 11:24 am Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    @merkur
    Because first, if you actually even skimmed the pages I linked for you, you would have realized he has archived thousands of studies books blogs etc of highly accredited scientists over a hundred years. If you actually read a little you would have noticed jayman is that rare thing a very intelligent black man, and his analysis and translation of the science is first rate, And he is also an amateur scientist himself, if you were remotely qualified to follow his arguments you would realize his amateur work was first rate, and worthy of the long history of amateur contribution to science. Hes also a progressive and black and since leftists are more interested who than what its worth noting.

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    merkur Reply:

    I read a lot of his site, but it obviously didn’t have the desired effect. I don’t know what went wrong!

    Maybe you need to approach this topic already thinking that a “very intelligent black man” is a rare thing?

    That way, when you read things that confirm your bias, you can just swallow them whole without choking.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    You read 1000 books and studies learned genetics and evolution, all in a day. My you are a smart nigger. quick whats the breeders equation?

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    merkur Reply:

    I don’t know what their equation is, but my favorite track is “Cannonball”.

    Mummy and Daddy always told me I’d grow up to be a smart nigger.

    Uppity, too, I don’t doubt.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Whether you read some blogger or not is irrelevant (especially since a lot of jayman’s posts are highly speculative and his amateur research — the whole clannishness thing — is very sloppy). You’re obviously not amenable to fact nor reason. You’re dismissing verifiable research with dogmatic affirmations and imbecilic wringing. The very definition of a zealotry and crackpottery. A Bible thumper without the Bible.

    Intelligence is heritable, both in a technical and a colloquial sense. It’s a plain, brute, repeatedly verified fact.
    To deny it you have be one of only two things: a charlatan, or an idiot. Or both.

    Kill yourself and spare humanity the insult of your existence. You’re an affront to nature.

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    merkur Reply:

    What’s weird about your last screed is that I do believe that intelligence has a hereditary component.

    The main difference between us is that I wasn’t a twisted ball of racist guff when I started reading.

    merkur Reply:

    “Kill yourself and spare humanity the insult of your existence. You’re an affront to nature.”

    Seriously, though. It is time for your cup of cocoa and a nap. You know how you get otherwise.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    “I do believe that intelligence has a hereditary component.”
    Which proves that you are a liar.

    merkur Reply:

    How does it prove that I’m a liar?

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  • Wagner Says:

    *Frustrated, Knaphni’s half-black son drops Of Grammatology in his waste-basket and joins his niggas fo a game a basketball* *he sinks a three under stress and thinks “oh hayul yeh”*

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    @Wagner

    I be a bit busy on the Savanna, atm, lol, but looking at email notifications.

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    Wagner Reply:

    While most posters on this thread are 3/4 actors you’re rockin about 7/8–nearly a pure devil’s advocate.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Wagner, I’m ethnically Indian, so I’m not acting or trolling,
    I’m not political, either, ‘Left’ or ‘Right’.
    I’m against exploitation. So, of course, I’m against colonialism.
    There’s a lot more, but it would take too long to write.

    PS I haven’t really heard much Wagner, or heard anything that registered, so my dismissal was just an opinion, not the result of really listening.

    Wagner Reply:

    Imperialism is the sign of a healthy will to power.

    You would know this if you weren’t at the inferior end of it.

    Krishnamurti and Aurobindo came out of British India, aren’t you proud of that?

    The Vedas evidently didn’t prepare your people for world-domination. History has rendered them deficient. Better luck in the next cycle, brother!

    Wagner Reply:

    “The white man has guns, THEREFORE the truth. ‘The whites disembark. The cannon! It is necessary to submit to baptism, dress oneself, work.'” (Early Land/Rimbaud)

    Salger Reply:

    > The Vedas evidently didn’t prepare your people for world-domination. History has rendered them deficient. Better luck in the next cycle, brother!

    Blame dysgenic breeding.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Wagner]: “Imperialism is the sign of a healthy will to power.

    You would know this if you weren’t at the inferior end of it.

    Krishna murti and Aurobindo came out of British India, aren’t you proud of that?

    The Vedas evidently didn’t prepare your people for world-domination. History has rendered them deficient. Better luck in the next cycle, brother!”

    {AK}: Domination of a mere ‘world’ is for inferiors, Wagner.
    I looked at Krishnamurti once, when I was younger, I found him shallow & obvious. He was trained for Western consumption. I think his friend, David Bohm, is more interesting. But Bohm was too dominated by K..
    Aurobindo, I don’t know enough about, but, yes, I think he was greatly thought of.

    [Salger]: “Blame dysgenic breeding.”

    {AK}: You even remember what was said at your birth, Salger! Impressive!

    Posted on December 2nd, 2016 at 5:33 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    OK
    I declare we have been had, trolled, whatever drawn into a waste of time by moronic antifas. You win morons you can have this blog bye.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    You haven’t wasted your time so far as I”m concerned, in that I’ve found your comments here both entertaining and informative. In fact this whole thread has been a rattling good read, and your comments have been among the highlights. Cheers.
    (And cheers to the “antifas” for provoking the angry energy here)

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    Wagner Reply:

    Consensus is the motor of degeneration, admin has said. This is the model to shoot for:

    “[Guattari and I] do not work together, we work between the two… We don’t work, we negotiate. We were never in the same rhythm, we were always out of step.” (Deleuze)

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Yes, it’d be a dull old world if everyone agreed about everything, and having the antifas drop by to rile everyone up has certainly upped the energy level here.
    And the winner is Entertainment.

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  • krietzsche Says:

    DNA is real

    Asbury and Plomin report that up to 80 % of the differences in learning to read and write are genetic, as is the case in 60–70 % of math learning, 75 % of physical activity learning and 50–60 % of science learning. These genetic effects are, however, most often correlated with many different genes, often several hundred, which refutes any simplistic or deterministic explanations of these genetic effects.

    Yes, mass extinction of Victorian values in this darkness

    Several lines of research, notably racial admixture studies, racial crossing studies involving interracial parenting or adoption, and especially investigations using more recent techniques of molecular genetics, have provided evidence suggesting that the Black–White IQ gap is not determined significantly by genetic factors.

    PS. “we show that it is not warranted to interpret brain size as an isomorphic proxy of human intelligence differences”

    … etc

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Seems sensible to me, Krietszche, although apparently this makes us both imbeciles.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    I prefer the term ‘race realist’ …

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    Salger Reply:

    All IQ gaps AND gaps in accomplishment are from Whitey keeping down Dindus and women.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    It seems that Niggers and Whitey Dindus are keeping themselves safe in the crab bucket.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    @admin, no offense, but ROI of your NRx crab bucket seems rather low. Hoping for zero to one … ?

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Coleman is a charlatan in the same league as Gould. The article you linked is entirely non-technical and polemic. The same sort of ideologically motivated verbose nonsense peddled by the like of S.J. Gould. Lies by omission, argument by assertion, grandiose displays of mathematical illiteracy and ad hominem appeals. He even makes a direct appeal to Lewontin’s fallacy (see the entirety of subsection 2.3 “A priori assumption of a race difference in IQ” which rests entirely on Lewontin’s diatribe) to justify his blatantly ideologically motivated drivel.

    You’re not any sort of realist. You’re a clueless dupe. Here’s an example of crass imbecility and scientific unprofessionalism:

    “The most serious problem with the argument from heritability is that it uses data about the heritability of IQ within populations to draw conclusions about the genetic basis of differences between populations.”

    This is mathematically nonsensical and it displays an astonishing lack of familiarity with population genetics and evolutionary biology in general (if it doesn’t display blatant, unapologetic charlatanism — which is much more likely the case here). Of course, he proceeds to justify such nonsense not by attacking the model and showing how the conclusion does not follow (since it actually does) but by appealing to silly, long-discredited “thought experiments” made by Richard Lewontin in the 1970s. Ironically, this buffoon doesn’t even seem to understand Lewontin’s own argument, completely ignoring the difference between the underlying genetic variance and the exhibited, phenotypic variance and how that is relevant when discussing heritability.

    A complete joke. But good evidence of just how poorly the peer review system is performing, especially in psychology (I am fairly confident this article would not have passed peer review were he to have attempted publishing it in a biology journal).

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    krietzsche Reply:

    Thanks for your input, but you don’t address racial admixture and crossing studies at all …

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    krietzsche Reply:

    PS. I hope you’ve patented your novel method of predicting the effects of complex gene networks from heritability scores in presence of various admixtures. Must be something novel like, topological data analysis ? Homology for genetic random fields and complexes ?

    A fine gentleman like you deserves good money. Patent it now.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    You again prove that you are a dilettante at best (personally, I peg you for a know-nothing). Ten dollar words don’t impress me, since I actually know what I’m talking about. Admixture is completely irrelevant. All evidence we have so far points to the genetic component of intelligence being overwhelmingly additive, so looking at gene frequencies is most of the hassle here.

    You’re trying to haggle over a very narrow band. And it’s getting narrower and narrower. Wringing hands over (apparent) complexity is trendy. But it is increasingly likely that it’s just a convoluted, distracting detour away from the giant elephant in the room.

    Hit the books.

    krietzsche Reply:

    WRT “data about the heritability of IQ within populations to draw conclusions about the genetic basis of differences between populations”

    In the 2007 paper “Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations”,[21] Witherspoon et al. attempt to answer the question, “How often is a pair of individuals from one population genetically more dissimilar than two individuals chosen from two different populations?”. The answer depends on the number of polymorphisms used to define that dissimilarity, and the populations being compared. When they analysed three geographically distinct populations (European, African and East Asian) and measured genetic similarity over many thousands of loci, the answer to their question was “never”. However, measuring similarity using smaller numbers of loci yielded substantial overlap between these populations. Rates of between-population similarity also increased when geographically intermediate and admixed populations were included in the analysis.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/

    But don’t bother to respond, I already know, they’re crooks, I am a dupe and you are my moron overlord.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    Authors provide a better summary in the final paragraph:

    “The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes.”

    PS. Same caution should hold for statistical inferences from individuals to populations.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Nobody is claiming that most of the variance in question is between populations, you twit.

    krietzsche Reply:

    “All evidence we have so far points to the genetic component of intelligence being overwhelmingly additive, so looking at gene frequencies is most of the hassle here.”

    That’s actually a very good point. If true, this might simplify IQ back to Victorian rules of thumb. But how can admixture studies be irrelevant if you just add good genes together ? Honest question, twit 😉

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Good God what a doofus you are… /facepalm
    Next time you parrot a position, at least try to understand what it entails.

    The answer is of course elementary, and it boils down to what additivity is in genetics: a gene’s effect is independent of other genes. Consequently, admixture is only truly relevant when considering the non-additive genetic component of a trait, because that’s when you need to consider the genome in bulk. That’s when you need to ask questions like “does this organism have all the necessary genes involved in the complex interaction which determines the expression of this trait?”

    If you knew at least the bloody definitions of the terms you use, you wouldn’t ask such a question. This is my last reply to you since every nudge you need boils down to, for the second time: hit the damn books!

    For your sake, do it. I shouldn’t like to embarrass you further.

    Posted on December 2nd, 2016 at 8:21 pm Reply | Quote
  • Salger Says:

    “Mr. Anti-Racist, how come over in America Blacks are so much more represented in serial killings and other forms of violent crime than Whites are?”

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salger]: ““Mr. Anti-Racist, how come over in America Blacks are so much more represented in serial killings and other forms of violent crime than Whites are?”

    {AK}: Aren’t those things the preparations “for world-domination”? You know, the things your people, the ‘Whites’, as you say, followed. lol

    I know you’re all inferior, but you could at least try not to be so stupid. lol

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    Salger Reply:

    Remember to Put The Poo In The Loo, Pajeet.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salger]: “Remember to Put The Poo In The Loo, Pajeet.”

    {AK}: Your reminder is quaintly ignorant, my ancestors invented the flush toilet, over 6000 years ago.

    Salger Reply:

    The Indus Valley Civilization wasn’t founded by muds.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Now hold on, Indus Valley Civilization wasn´t founded by brownies?

    You know that brownies have had Civilizations in pre-Aryan Greece? The Minoan.

    Unless you have evidentialities shewing that they were leukodermic too.

    I´ll grant that Wikipedia is not always neutral or leukojustic in these matters, but here they are, imo, right:

    ▬ « After the discovery of the IVC in the 1920s, it was immediately associated with the indigenous Dasyu inimical to the Rigvedic tribes in numerous hymns of the Rigveda. Mortimer Wheeler interpreted the presence of many unburied corpses found in the top levels of Mohenjo-Daro as the victims of a warlike conquest, and famously stated that “Indra stands accused” of the destruction of the IVC. The association of the IVC with the city-dwelling Dasyus remains alluring because the assumed timeframe of the first Indo-Aryan migration into India corresponds neatly with the period of decline of the IVC seen in the archaeological record. The discovery of the advanced, urban IVC however changed the 19th-century view of early Indo-Aryan migration as an “invasion” of an advanced culture at the expense of a “primitive” aboriginal population to a gradual acculturation of nomadic “barbarians” on an advanced urban civilisation, comparable to the Germanic migrations after the Fall of Rome, or the Kassite invasion of Babylonia. This move away from simplistic “invasionist” scenarios parallels similar developments in thinking about language transfer and population movement in general, such as in the case of the migration of the proto-Greek speakers into Greece, or the Indo-Europeanization of Western Europe. »

    It´s like this: Whites proper were ‘fresh’. They moved fast, learned fast, adopted fast.

    They didn´t necessarily invent everything. They adopted manything.

    They focused on war-technology. Military-technology.

    Why not let the others do the boring??

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    Salger Reply:

    > Now hold on, Indus Valley Civilization wasn´t founded by brownies?

    The Indus Valley Civilization was focused in Pakistan through India’s north. They aren’t as admixtured with Australoids as the more southern areas.

    > You know that brownies have had Civilizations in pre-Aryan Greece? The Minoan.

    Available Minoan artwork depicts them as looking like other Southern Europeans (light skinned, dark haired)

    krietzsche Reply:

    Warmer climates select for intelligence and cooperation (social mitigation of aggression and war) less than harsher climes. Aggression and intelligence are quite heritable.

    Conclusion: black is violent, but white is a killing machine.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [krietzsche]: “Warmer climates select for intelligence and cooperation (social mitigation of aggression and war) less than harsher climes. Aggression and intelligence are quite heritable.

    Conclusion: black is violent, but white is a killing machine.”

    {AK}: That’s one reason why you’re ‘Occidental androids’, as I’ve often said.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    I am a robot. Who’s ‘we’ ?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [krietzsche]: “I am a robot. Who’s ‘we’ ?”

    {AK}: ‘We’?
    in “That’s one reason why you’re ‘Occidental androids’, as I’ve often said.”?
    ERROR; INCORRECT; the [krietzsche] unit is DEFECTIVE!

    krietzsche Reply:

    There is no ‘we’. There are just neurons.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [krietzsche]: “There is no ‘we’. There are just neurons.”

    {AK}: If neurons, & only neurons, exist; then ‘machines’ & ‘robots’, do not exist.
    ALERT! ALERT! The [krietzsche] unit is DEFECTIVE!

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The DEFECTIVE [krietzsche] unit has been eliminated.
    Its disconnected incoherencies, at logical & philosophic levels, produced total cognitive dissonance & breakdown in its comment function.

    Salger Reply:

    >That’s one reason why you’re ‘Occidental androids’, as I’ve often said.

    So you admit to the lower intelligence of muds.

    Salger Reply:

    Primitive warfare has higher death tolls per capita than warfare by civilization. Sorry if it ruins your noble savage myth.

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  • Dan Haines Says:

    @TheNewWorld

    As I said already, “The problem you seem to have is a basic lack of human kindness and empathy. The views on this page reflect a total moral void. All you express is fear and hatred.”

    I’m a little fascinated, I must admit, but your “you’re an idiot, shut up” approach to disagreements. It seems a bit threatening, but of course you can’t actually do anything so that makes it seem a bit pathetic.

    Besides, I know you can’t really think I’m an idiot, because I belong to a superior race, right? Like you. Lol.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Dan, you’re quaint. And you express the petulance of a sophist cornered. Getting a little sweaty and red-faced after the Trump victory are you? You’re a prime example of how robotic leftists are. You ease my conscience about the prospect that many of you are going to need to be “switched off”…

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Happy to help with your rich fantasy life.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    Synthesizing myself as a robotic leftist, isn’t Trump a disaster for the Alt-Right and Neocam (Thiel connection) ? Lots of buyer remorse with this particular alpha untested prototype.

    Mao would say “Everything under heaven is in utter chaos, the situation is excellent.”

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Gems like this “you can’t really think I’m an idiot, because I belong to a superior race, right?” is precisely why I know for a fact that you are an idiot. I already pointed out precisely what failure mode your faux-reasoning exhibits, and you keep falling into it over and over again.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    I was making fun of you.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Or, in translation, “I was only pretending to be an idiot”.
    Doubt it.

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  • Dan Haines Says:

    Yes yes, I need to make finer distinctions, got it. You”re just following the facts. I’m in denial of the facts. If I don’t follow the facts and adequately differentiate your viewpoint from others, I’m an idiot.

    “Idiot” is not much of an insult,, by the way. Wagner is way ahead of you, and seems to intimating that I’ll be rounded up. At least just calling me an idiot suggests you’re not quite so psychopathic.

    The problem is, your facts are not facts. And so making fun of you keeps becoming the only sensible response I can manage. I’ll admit it is a bit of a shortcoming on my part. But you don’t offer up any thoughts worth engaging with.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    I should add, I looked at the links you posted about cranial capacity. I had read Gould on this some years ago and did not know about more recent developments. Scandalous, but the science still seems far from settled. I think you are mistaken to believe that it currently supports the views put forward here. Clearly scientific understanding of the relationships between body size, brain size, and intelligence (and the nature of intelligence) is still pretty speculative. The numbers are provocative but lack context given that we don’t really know what consciousness is in relation to the brain.

    Even if science unequivocally supported your ideas about racial difference, which it currently does not, you’d still be wrong in your political and moral response. It is still unclear why some people are gay, but the answer is totally irrelevant to the question of whether they should face social discrimination. The only real ‘race problem’ is racism itself.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    You’re reaching. And bargaining. A very typical pattern.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You are inferior.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    I am a stepping-stone Artxell, just the way I like it. To where is the more interesting aspect to consider, because that determines whether I can be proud of my inferiority, or ashamed of my superiority —

    A brick in the bridge expanding into the greater outside, or a loose stone in a great castle that’s about to collapse in on itself.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Welcome you have been red pilled. well there’s a crack anyway

    Of course you haven’t heard about the ‘recent developments’ because that would dredge up the whole Gould scandal again and that was a huge embarrassment, did you know about the Gould scandal I bet not. Do you know what Lewontins fallacy is, i bet not but I bet you believe you know Lewontins theory to be true.
    Well Gould fabricated the whole Mismeasure thing and got caught. But i bet you do remember all about how he crushed the racists with his book. Because they continue with that anyway. Funny that they can simultaneously continue to use him and his book, and his and their own slanders Morton and Burt and Galton, and even Darwin when theyre on a roll, yet quietly admit its all been discredited.They own the frame the cathedral.
    None of the crainiometry is central to HBD but its telling, they will risk humiliation to defend even a minor aspect of it.The reason is when you own the Cathedral theres little risk in getting caught in a lie, you can alway disown the liar, and the stakes are so high.
    The very foundation of leftism rests on tabula rasa.

    You see they dont outlaw the research that would Streisand the work. they simply apply a little pressure through the various levels of the cathedral the university tenure committee, the professional associations,the “peer review” the journals the popular press publishers.No one needs to be told to do it every one understands what must be done.
    If youre willing to go through all that they leave you alone, we dont want a scandal do we. its at the popular level that they will crush you. So this means you can actually get into the science and learn the truth,But you will have to educate yourself at more than a dilettante level. One thing you learn is the even the lefty scientists quietly admit the truth for the most part. But you will find cases of far left scientists being utterly destroyed when they innocently stumble upon some truth outside the narrative and naively think truth is important.

    If you want to keep your mind open you will have to work at it. HBD is really not a big focus around here, but its probably the most effective tool for red pilling because the lies are so blatant and the evidence so irrefutable. You’re going to have to read the dissenters as well as the progressive scientists and go back and forth for maybe a year. Most of us have, because its so hard to believe such a monstrous lie could be so easily perpetrated in an “open” society. And yes because yes the implications are dark, whatever the conclusions about what to do with the information you might draw. And I dont think many around here has decided what ought to be done beyond defending reality.
    Reading Moldbug who has little to say about HBD but a lot to say about the openness of our system will help, and you will enjoy him he is a funny erudite liberal jew that some might say started all this certainly hes has a great influence in putting much of the dark enlightenment into context

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The ‘Matrix’ films were propaganda financed by ‘Big Pharma’!

    Salger Reply:

    > Even if science unequivocally supported your ideas about racial difference, which it currently does not

    Tell us all about the worthy modern Black countries and accomplishments in the actual sciences. Don’t go We Wuz Kangz now.

    > It is still unclear why some people are gay, but the answer is totally irrelevant to the question of whether they should face social discrimination.

    Faggotry was listed as a derangement in the DSM until fags chimpedout. Fags are noticeably overrepresented in HIV cases, substance abuse, and suicide even in lands that pander to them.

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    Erebus Reply:

    >”Tell us all about the worthy modern Black countries and accomplishments in the actual sciences. Don’t go We Wuz Kangz now.”

    Precisely. We hardly even need to discuss IQ. The argument from accomplishment — to be specific, the complete, utter, and entirely self-evident lack of any and all Black accomplishment — is even more persuasive, and much more difficult to refute. There has never been a great Black philosopher, there has never been a great African indigenous religion, there has never been a Black Nobel Prize winner in the sciences, there have been no great African inventions in the modern era… That is to say, besides the wheel, fire, the spear, the bow and arrow, etc.
    …I could go on…

    I’d go so far as to assert that, all other things being equal, IQ would not be a valid proxy for intelligence if it didn’t show a clear gap between the White and the African races. The latter are so clearly, so obviously deficient. (On the whole. There are individual exceptions, of course.)

    Wagner Reply:

    “The argument from accomplishment” is a killer. Excellent coinage.

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  • Contaminated NEET Says:

    @D.
    Absolutely right. A couple elections narrowly break against the progs, and all the dissident rightists think we’ve won. Haven’t we been saying for years that democracy doesn’t work? That elected politicians are nigh-powerless puppets and figureheads who give the commoners something to scream about or cheer for while the real powers get on with business? Take the black pill. We’re on a runaway train headed for singularity-ville and nobody you vote for can stop it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Maybe Trumps not the one, but he may be the John the baptist the prophet that prepares the way,that lays the axe at the root.Sure he and Bannon seem to be 70s democrats. But that alone would be a 50 year back ratchet.But its not them I see some signs that just maybe liberalism is actually dying.
    Trump and Brexit are symptoms.The EU has been in slow motion fall for a decade almost, and its now at about the tipping point. If the Illuminati lose Europe thats pretty significant.That weakness wlll signal the finacial elite (jews?) to at least to reconsider their devils bargain with the marxists.
    Yes sure their are true believers that are embedded and will try to find a new way probably through trade and war but with Trump that may be hard, America really has to be great again or its going to die really soon. if we cant again become cutting edge in tech and highly technical manufacturing we are done. He could entice our corporations with tax free returns on tax free repatriated capital, money we would never see other wise anyway. Once we have nationalized our manufacturers again things change. People seem to get the multiculturalism equal white genocide, well how could they not the left actually brags about that as a feature not a bug. well who knows time will tell, Sunday we get Italy and austria.

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    Contaminated NEET Reply:

    The system is headed for ruin, no question. If I didn’t agree on that, I wouldn’t use the pronoun “we” when talking about “dissident rightists.” But while the Cathedral may not be the hale, confident beast it was in the ’50s, it’s still got a lot of strength left, a hell of lot more than its enemies, and it has barely begun to fight. Expect economic crash, impeachment, a Brexit revote, and a long, finger-wagging lesson about why we mustn’t vote in ways that displease our betters. Maybe it’ll lead to someone more extreme than Trump taking real power, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I have been pretty pessimistic myself, and while the altright assertion they elected Trump is laughable there does seem to be a zeitgeist emerging that is if not dark at least realistic. If we take moldbugs thesis on the Cromwell cousins little theocratic revolution and mix in a little Nietzsche and Dostoevsky and whoever you want to name the anti frankfurt critics and maybe you get a end fin de sieclie of the cromwellian revolution If the Frankfurt have killed god, and replaced it with some tranny in a jar of piss, and all is permitted then we may have reached the end of legacy slave moralities authority appeal as well. In other words there may be no counter cycle for the next iteration of the uber mensch, this is why i say maybe trump is preparing the way unintentionally destroying whatevers authority is left in authority. hes been the ultimate iconoclast, science, war heros, the pope,minorities,children,women,democracy,objective truth, the list is extensive. some rough beast is bound to be watching this.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    WOW What a mess!

    I am surprised that noone used the argument that the per capita death toll from wars in Hunter gatherer and pre state populations is actualy much higher then in civilized populations. The chance to have died in war as a pre colonial african was much higher then in 20th century Europe despite the 2 World wars or in Medieval china despite its brutal rebellions and ethnic cleansing programes with millions of dead.

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    Salger Reply:

    I actually did note what you noted.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I recently read that idea, which i think came from Pinkers Better Angels if i recall, may actually be pretty suspect.
    I think someones discernment earlier between violence in service of organization and violence in service of impulse are really not comparable.
    Pinker argument if i recall was organized state murder of the unsociable has spread effeminism I mean civilization throughout the European diaspora.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    I wonder why this blog is frequented by obscure indian nationalists folowing long discredited thirld worldist theories.

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    Wagner Reply:

    At least they’re smart enough to know who their enemy is. I bet Japs would haunt this blog too if nukes hadn’t dissolved their spines.

    My dyed-in-the-wool progressive friend who went to India even admitted that they’re a bunch of savages over there. Occasional ascetics (which one finds less frequently in Africa) but lots of dirty, rotten scoundrels with no manners and no trace of Western decorum. Do they blame us for having a clogged toilet of a country? If I had to guess we made it better but maybe I’m being ethnocentric. What say you, Hadji?

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    Wagner Reply:

    P. S. Your real enemy is the alt-right. If Land had power I highly doubt he would select white proles over high-caste Indians for his cabinet. Indians bluepilled by French Marxism are going thru the woodchipper however.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 Ah sorry didnt notice, ofcourse the leftists didnt reply since it removes their last reason to see saveges as somehow “superior” to civilized people.

    I doubt there is an economic historian left who believes that slavery or colonialism are the main reasons for the wests wealth. Now the “institutions” theory seems to be the most acsepted one. Basicly the west developed good institutions and thus took off.

    Btw the relativism argument “the mudhut of a savege isnt inferior to a cathedral or the Pyramides just different” would if taken to its logical conclusion equalize the human with the animal “mice arnt inferior to humans just diferent”

    Interestingly enough the very same India is desperatly trying to catch up with the west and create the very same material wealth that the west has created and their upper castes like to enjoy all the luxuaries of a western lifestyle. why bother if they have such wonderfull indian “spirituality” is beyond me…..

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    Its usual for leftists to have their cake and eat it too. So if praising non western high cultures (middle east, India, China) they speak of “objective contributions to civilisation” they made (suddenly there is such a thing as civilisation which can experience objective growth), but when comparing the west to Africa or Australia civilisation suddenly dosnt exist and no state of social organisation is higher or lower then another everything is just “different”. If everything is just “different” then there should be no reason to beat the early medieval west with the stick of “OH it was so backward compared to splendid Islamic civilisation, OH its cities were so small, OH their kings didnt even know how to write HAHAHA!”

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    Wagner Reply:

    One thing the aristocratic left (if there is such a thing) has on nu-rightists is modesty. The proclivity to bully retards is the Achilles’ heel of neonazis, and retard-bulliers are oven-worthy themselves tbh. It’s actually an act of asceticism to refuse muh achievements. Pride is a sin, etc. Also, there’s a pragmatic dimension to Equalism that righties don’t look directly in the face: if savages are told they’re savages it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. If they’re told we’re all equal, or that nay, browns are superior to whites, they are motivated to ascend. The relegation to subhumanity would only stunt growth and/or radicalize a la Allah’s alala-ers.

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    Contaminated NEET Reply:

    >If they’re told we’re all equal, or that nay, browns are superior to whites, they are motivated to ascend.

    That makes a certain amount of sense, but is it what we see in practice?

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    Wagner Reply:

    I know a few female academics who are intellectually adroit as men. If they weren’t prog-propagandists I would regret the alternative reality wherein they were in the kitchen. Savitri Devi anyone? Irigaray has painted my face with a shit-eating grin a time or two I have to confess. Without the Equalism lie I imagine she would have been vacuuming instead of plucking at the wreaths of her male predecessors. But again, in practice all I’m aware of is beneath-contempt leftist buffoons, i.e. people who use their liberation for evil, e.g. Knaphni. (The woman question and the brown question are finely entwined, hence you see feminists sticking up for Muslims.) So far I don’t know if the West has had the cajones to FORCE Euro values on the browns so it’s hard to say. We get trapped in the paradox of giving them a confident attitude with equalism and, being equal, not having the confident attitude ourselves to shove our superior values down their throats.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The tendency to lie is greater for both women and brownies. Asians too, probably. Less for the Japs.

    Honor and honesty are cognate. Aryans is another word for honorable.

    Just the plain fuckin simple truth.

    Cowards lie.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Anyway, you touch on many advanced points, Wagner. Aside from you and me, I have not seen many notice this. Comparably.

    That´s the thing. Illuminati knows this. They liberated the slaves because ‘free’ workers are more productive overall, than slavery. And so on and so forth.

    That´s why I even enjoy Negro music. And company.

    I know the Freemasons just tax it.

    Jay-Z n’ All.

    ⛷🏿

    Wagner Reply:

    Were the Greeks Aryans?

    In Homer’s Iliad we know how central a role Time (honor) and Kleos (glory) play. And how Plato subsequently tempers them via the subordination of thymos to logos.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The prototypical Greeks — Ionians, etc. — were Aryans, no doubt.

    Salger Reply:

    Islamic accomplishment is a We Wuz Kangz meme. The noteworthy feats in the mythical Islamic Golden Age were one of the following:

    1. Derived from outside civilizations like the Greeks.

    2. Built on-pre Islamic civilizations like Persia.

    3. Performed by either non-Muslims, converts from non-Muslim backgrounds, or heretics.

    Once you account for this, the lack of accomplishment in noticeably Muslim lands is not a surprise.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Your first two points apply to virtually every civilisation. They are especially true of the civilisations of Europe. You have some leeway with the third one. Some.

    Back to the drawing board Salger.

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    Salger Reply:

    > Your first two points apply to virtually every civilisation.

    Who did the Greeks derive from? Egypt?

    Who did the Greeks build on?

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    The Egyptians, the Phoenicians, the Persians…

    Ancient Greece did not exist in a vacuum and did not emerge out of nothing. That does not take away from its grandeur. You should read some history. Having measured, informed, reasoned motives for your position is better than simply stumbling into it.

    Salger Reply:

    Notice how none of those civilizations were Muslim or Black. And Europe, unlike Muslim lands maintained a long historyof advancement even in the Dark Ages.

    Unknown128 Reply:

    yes the greeks were aryans (at least their elite was)

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    “Notice how none of those civilizations were Muslim or Black” is a very poor attempt at a deflection. You still haven’t found better support for your position, however accurate it may well be.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 well if you tell saveges their savegry is good as it is now or before the “evil colonisers” came I dont see how this helps them to ascend, wouldnt it rather make them more satisfied in their stagnation?

    Remember what motivated sucsessfull westernisation projects of the 18-19th centuries, like Meiji or Ataturk or Peter I, it was naked show of superiority from the west and a blatant feeling of inferiority from certain dominant segments of the elites of this countries. It was the question that so many in Japan in the 1850s-1870s asked “why are THEY so much stronger then US?”

    I think threat of conquest or reduction to a puppet combined with an open display of superiority will do a lot more to motivate countries to reform and grow then the relaxing feeling of “wer good allready the way we are”. Imagine if Japan got that messege instead of the messege it got from the West? It might not be one of the richest countries in the world.

    Confrontation provokes evolution.

    Also if the left is so modest it should stop praising all their post 1960s “achievements” while spitting on everything that came earlier and finaly decide if civilisational growth is a good or a bad thing.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 whoever acomplished their achievements they were overall very modest and only stand out in the overall poverty of human acomplishments of their time. Basicly just small tinkering on a Greco-Roman basis with a few improvements. The greek acomplishments before were much larger and the western acomplishments after were infinitly larger still. about 95% of all human acomplishments were made by europeans anyway so I wonder why there is so much attention given to the remaining 5%

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    Wagner Reply:

    @unknown and salger: Islamic philosophers wrote mere commentaries on the Greeks, but they’re some damn good commentaries. Back in Thomas’s day it was “edgy” to be an Averroist for instance, whereas Platonism was kosher. They brought things out of the texts with more acuteness than 99.9% of whites that have lived, s’all I’m sayin. Give credit where it’s due. Can you see spear-chuckers writing those commentaries? We shouldn’t pigeonhole all browns as black.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    — Give credit where it’s due.

    This is a fine art, few

    have master

    ‘d

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 As I said Il give all non westerners 5% of all human acomplishments, are this 5% important? Indeed they are, theyr just less important then 95% and yes Africans contributed 0,000001% which is a lot less then Muslims, Hindus and Chinese. Muslims propably 1%, Hindus another 1% and Chinese 3% still the Scottland allone cortributed more in the 1800s then the entire non western world in the previous 2000 years

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    —>Scotland alone contributed more in the 1800s then the entire non western world in the previous 2000 years<

    wew, if true.

    we did discuss this — sporadically — before. i e.g. posted from this thread a query of mine containing a question of how much Whites (are known to have) invented vs. the Other.

    https://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=153105

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  • Dan Haines Says:

    Wow, you lot are desperate for every crumb of validation, aren’t you?

    The main problem with all this crowing is that you attribute to me a starting position that I have not stated and don’t hold. I have never said I believe in a tabula rasa. I’ve actually never claimed to be a ‘leftist’ whatever that is. I have explicitly acknowledged that there are genetic differences that can be grouped from the start. I actually hold the view that one of the most common manifestations of systemic racism is the denial of racial difference.

    The problem with the position taken by most commentators above is that it tries to revive race essentialism by locating it in genetics. Believing that you have found the mechanism to transmit immutable racial differences, you massively over-burden the genetic evidence. You also, in your excitement, seem to have fallen into naive a way of thinking about the relationship between science and social organisation.

    Noting that I missed a bit of a scandal regarding Gould’s discrediting of Morton is not remotely equivalent to buying into your race psychosis. That’s another false inference. Like the one by Nick that started this thread where he tried to twist a repudiation of white nationalist views about intelligence as racially determined as a claim about the validity of genetics as a scientific discipline.

    The proposition that genetics and evolution drive human behaviour is sound; but so far our attempts at understanding how this works in practice are little more than gibberish, revealing the continued dominance of pre-genetic and pre-evolutionary thinking about identity, race, and sex.

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    Unknown128 Reply:

    yes yes there is no clear gene for intelligence ect ect (but the genes that were found are clearly less present in Blacks). Isnt it interesting though that the fact that there is just as little clear fact on the topic of inateness of homosexuality didnt stop progs to proclaim it as the only acseptable theory while when it comes to race “we just dont know”.

    As James Flynn pointed out most researchers dont want to do this kind of research because theyr afraid what they would find. a large portion of intelligence researchers believes that at least the Black white IQ gap in the USA is partly genetic (but this dosnt mean that all blacks have this gap since it might stem from the fact that most slaves that were sold were from the lower social classes and to a large degree of a criminal background (many african rulers sold their criminals into slavery in exchange for guns because they were THAT humane) Garret Jones pointed out that the debate on Race and IQ around the world is still open, in China the heraditarian hypothesis is widly believed. The most qualified environmentalist James Flynn believes it the gap is mostly due to culture and not because of “opression” (whatever that means) since african americans in the USA are much more afluent then the averege population of many high IQ countries and wealth and education just dosnt correlate that well with IQ across the world (see the gulf states with rather low IQ or poor Russia with an IQ of almost 100).

    Very few researchers who deal with this question agree with you that its all the white mens fault and if we just could have killed all Europeans at 1500 we would have a prosperous world of perfect harmony today (hint it would be a far less populous world and most children would die before reaching the age of1 and 99% of the world would be poor).

    Thing is most of the people here understand this but believe that the heredtarian hypothesis is the most logical one (which is just as much their right as it is the right of leftists to proclaim that homosexuality is inate). Their position is shared by very many intelligence researchers and specialists in the field as anonymous surveys show. You just come here, acting smug, proclaiming nonsense and not responding to arguments but calling people names acusing htem of herecy and you expect what? To feel superior over a bunch of heretics?

    Sorry for the bad English

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Africans have lower not higher IQs than African Americans, and other African traits like aggression and low future time orientation hold no matter which countries you look at Africans in. But yes AA slaves are not a random sampling, its also worthwhile noting the Africans that left Africa probably were not a random sample either. That said the highest G is not necessarily enough to out compete the field.And of course it depends on which field.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´ve read that (many) Afro-Americans have White gene inter-mixture.

    collen ryan Reply:

    @ G ERIC
    African American admix is approximately 20%, which seems to account for the higher scores. AA are changing though with massive immigration.
    Interesting comment war at Unz with jayman and Rhaz against Chisala over certain African immigrant groups in Britain I think doing much better, my take was its noise mostly however. Africa has some of the greatest intra racial diversity, and even Jensen puts Equatorial Guinea at 57 and Nigeria at 84.
    Iceland scores second highest European yet what have they produced besides some early genetics lit, ireland has one of the lowest, but if you look at the irish diaspora they have done quit well, Israel also quite low, and yet.
    Can luck be considered an environment? Nothing suceeds like success,I wouldnt discount any under acheiving european nations, they may simply be needing an opportunity to blossom. It does seem the late bloomers have the greater sense of self preservation.

    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

    Salger Reply:

    The talk of Sub-Saharan African immigrants has gotten overblown:

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/black-immigrants-to-the-us-and-the-uk-blacks/

    30.7% of native-born whites have college degrees, and 38.1% of white immigrants have degrees.
    16.5% of native-born blacks have college degrees, and 25.8% of african immigrants have degrees.

    The immigrants in question are at best elite samples who don’t speak for the norm in their lands of origin. You can take a look at the dysfunctional antics of the hordes of Sub-Saharan African immigrants in White and East Asian countries:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/yes-african-immigrants-do-better-than-american-blacks-but-it-wont-last

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2013/08/whence-afro-criminality.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/asia/africans-leaving-guangzhou-china/index.html

    And let’s not forget the universities that pander to both Blacks and/or foreigners:

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/16/racism-in-university-admissions/

    collen ryan Reply:

    All we are saying is keep pulling on the thread and you might be surprised. Just imagine for a moment you are completely wrong about who we are and what you think we believe. Imagine for a moment that you were to do as we suggest and just imagine you find what we say is out there. And you mull it over for a year or two, it starts to dawn on you what else have they lied about, what are the implications of these lies and you spend more time looking at some things. keep in mind youre probably a less wrong or some such reader and really immune to conspiracy theories and really good but really bad science so you have to dig deep but when you get there you know youre there.finding the facts is the easy part for most of us, and I stress again race realism is but an aspect. Its the staggering implications that take a year or two to digest most of us did this in solitude not on blogs but the depression was existential almost as it sinks in, you question your sanity, you questions your right to live, you wonder if youre a monster, you fight off demons that want to run with this information, you fight off all sorts of emotional responses and sloppy conclusions to whatever ability Gnon has blessed you to. and then you find youre not alone with this knowledge, probably as part of the process you discover this but its its not consoling at first you know these others are evil evil people you keep from falling under their spell. but now you tentatively go back to some of these haunts, you begin to backfill some of the nagging questions you try to find some meaning some goodness in all this horror, in spite of yourself you begin to appreciate the gallows humor the dark sarcasm, i promise you you dont jetison all your minority or liberal freinds in fact you actually become more honest with them and find they become more honest with you.you dont hate people you hate the system because its evil, anti truth is evil, it will always cause more harm in the long run.Think about Gates and Bono and sally struthers and that whole african gang they have for all intents and purposes fathered at least a billion african with an average IQ of what 65? African women are now having what 6.2 lives births per, the population is going to double every 40? years can you not see how incredibly evil that is who is going to feed these people? we are on the cusp of the AI robotics revolution western nations will be hard pressed in 20 years to find jobs for even its highest IQ citizens, do you seriously think if you can keep the WNs from rising up and slaughtering the invaders that the west can support even the ones already within its borders? We are bankrupt many times over.Most over in reaction think the elites are not evil but only suffering from mass insanity of a religious variety, you will have to read moldbug and his followers to get up to speed on that and that is the main focus of reaction not race realism, but you see the left marxism calvinism whatever you is obsessed with race and other groups it has deconstructed or inserted and so much of leftism comes back to this, but not all most think its demotism at root.
    How do you react then to smart asses like yourself citing crap we have all seen a thousand times before educate yourself this is not the alt right this has been going on for a decade or ore depending on how you count who you count.

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    Unknown128 Reply:

    Well when it comes to Africa proper there is just so much noise. There are few IQ tests done there, there are cultural factors to remember, socioeconomic factors. Its just to large of a continent with to many factors to concider and to little date, so I cant make any clear conclusions about it. Now its very different when it comes to African americans. Massive data, ability to controll for just about everything and most importandly data on socioeconomic status which alows us to see that the poorest white comunities score better in IQ and crime then the richest black comunities. Yes culture might be a factor for part of the gap but NOT poverty since even the wealthiest parts of China and Russia are poorer then African americans who live in “poverty” but have far higher IQ, most rural Chinese or Vietnamese pupils couldnt even dream of the money spent on schools in black neighborhoods.

    I think the Black-white IQ question in the USA is mostly settled now, at least when it comes to poverty and “opression” so we only have genes and culture competing, but Africa is not settled and I think its problematic to extrapolate from US blacks to even west Africa since the scourse sample is not representative.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    —>the poorest white comunities score better in IQ and crime then the richest black comunities. Yes culture might be a factor for part of the gap but NOT poverty since even the wealthiest parts of China and Russia are poorer then African americans who live in “poverty” but have far higher IQ, most rural Chinese or Vietnamese pupils couldnt even dream of the money spent on schools in black neighborhoods.<

    Yeez us.

    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    Colleen, please use more paragraphs.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 egypt also had an important influence on the Greeks trough Crete. The only civilisations htat didnt build on any other civilisation were the Sumerians, the Measoamericans and MAYBE the Chinese (but thats a big maybe). The Indus valley clearly built on Measopotamia as did Egypt. Modern Europe mostly built on Grece and Rome who in turn built on Measopotamia, Egypt and the Levante. A few small bits also came from india (Numerals) and China (Paper) trough the islamic world but this contributions are small compared to thous of the Greeks or what the westerners invented themselves.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @Unknown128
    There are more people in india, than north america, south america, and europe combined, i just read.And they seem to be as ape like as africans in much of the country, witches, routinely will horribly kidnap and torture children to death to remove your spells for about .50 cents. Among other quaint cultural achievements. Im told Chinese IQ edge is not uniform throughout the population. I have to agree with the alt right relieved of the white mans burden of the half men and the traitorous parasite immigrants with the higher IQs i have no worries we would have trouble out competing as we have always done.In fact i think if we spent a tenth the effort on our own left half as we do on the hopeless third world we could see quite a return on them.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 Well the speed of advancment after the 1800s in the west was faaaar faster then anything in the past, just look up charles Murray “human acomplishments”, even if he underestimated the non western acomplishments by a factor of 2 (which is highly doubteble) it still makes the west after 1500 and especialy after 1800 vastly more fruitfull then anything before that, there is just no comparrison http://66.media.tumblr.com/a760cda47e34b6e9c77fae1184a4413a/tumblr_mk16hgpMqp1s87hito6_r1_1280.jpg

    The process of human advancement before 1500 was so slow that without the west we would still be on the level of 1600 (at best) now in 2016!

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    Btw since when are Greeks and Romans not “white”??? And if Spanish and Italians arnt whites then the crimes of the Spanish conquistadors shouldnt be atributed to “Whites” as well. Then again I would say that the population of Syria and Anatolia was much “whiter” before the influx of african slaves in the Muslim period but they are quiet “White” even now. They are just not Western, meaning they are not part of western civilisation (with the possible exeption of Christian lebanese) They were part of it before the Arab conquest trough Hellenism, but now there is a massive genetic barriere between us created by centuries of cousine marriege among their muslims and centuries of outbreading among most of westerners (exept the Balkans and south Italy)

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Syria and much of the ‘mideast’ and north africa were part of the byzantine empire, also much of them were earlier part of Roman and Greek empires

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    No surprise Collen favours a broad definition of whiteness, so the inferior Irish like himself can be included.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Dan’s been infected by teh racism! He’s one of us!

    Feels good to tell the truth, ay Danny boy?

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    The ancient Egyptians saw the Levantines as white btw and themselves as Brown. The Arabs saw the Greeks (including the inhabitants of the whats today Turkey) and spaniards as white (calling them pigskins) and themselves and the Persians as brown (but I dont know how the saw the Syrians). http://evoandproud.blogspot.de/2015/08/in-eye-of-ancient-beholder.html

    Id say one should use Copts as an example for how ancient egyptians looked like and Christian Iraqis as a guideline for maesopotamians.

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  • Dan Haines Says:

    I didn’t really come here to have an argument, and the monotony of these responses is getting a bit too boring. But here’s some thoughts before I split. Of course they won’t interest you, but it’s like giving money to homeless people even though it won’t help… Not that any of you would do that of course. Based on your comments above you’re mostly too busy wondering about their flawed genetic inheritance and imagining them being rounded up and murdered in concentration camps. Your vision of a brighter future!

    You repeatedly claim that your viewpoint is really hard to understand, not what anyone who criticises it thinks, etc. Yet at the same time there is a constant stream of racist abuse. So no matter how many times you respond to this by saying I’m an idiot who doesn’t understand, it sounds a lot like you’re a bunch of simple-minded racists. “It’s not what you think” is the eternal refrain of those who are being busted.

    You claim adherence to science, but of course you’re only interested in the scientific papers that you think support your pre-conceived racist ideas. You also seem to think there’s some sort of conspiracy of silence about what the science is saying, yet TheNewWorld as posted links to prominent journals so that idea is clearly not in contact with reality.

    You assume someone like me has a particular set of views, such as subscribing to an idea of tabula rasa, but your assumptions are wrong. You’re fighting shadows and scarecrows. Scoring imaginary points in a game played with yourself.

    You appeal to culture, history, politics, and philosophy to support your views with examples of cultural superiority/inferiority and what you think are complex distinctions that only the initiated can grasp. These claims have the plausibility of a first year undergraduate who does not understand why they only got a C. This applies to pretty much every reference above, but my favourite was the one about how Western culture is a definable thing. That statement demonstrates a breathtaking philosophical naivety, given that the whole Western tradition has really been pretty fixedly a debate about what a definable thing actually is. (Second favourite was the claim that Schopenhauer is “never wrong”).

    You fail to grasp the limits of science, and it’s banality. You fail to see that technology is just sacrificial excess – the accursed share. You are not hyperboreans, but the last men. Futurism, tech-workship, and fascism have always belonged together.

    You think the future belongs to you, that you’re part of a movement that will claim the future, yet your ideas are well-worn and discredited. At least the Victorians had the defense that they were being original and you can see why they felt like rulers of the world – all I see above is a sort of ironic retro-racist posteuring for the purposes of shocking imagined standards bourgeois morality. Boring nihilism and resentment. Nothing liked a fanged noumena, just a tedious dialectical opposite.

    You think you’re revealing the truth, but your inane conspiracy thinking just reveals how profoundly ignorant you are about the world. Also, The Matrix is a fucking terrible movie so referencing it is beyond lame unless you’re 12 years old. Which I wouldn’t rule out as a possibility.

    Cheers!

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    @Dan Haines

    It’s less work if you just say they’re inferior.

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    Erebus Reply:

    At this point, you’re not even trying, are you? Looks to me like you’re simply doubling-down on the flawed arguments you expounded earlier.

    To sum it up:
    1. “It is impossible to define anything.” (By extension, it is impossible to define “Western Culture,” therefore we cannot speak of it.)
    2. “There is no such thing as superiority.”
    3. “Science and technology are banal, have limits, the studies are not in unanimous agreement, etc.”

    (1) is ridiculous sophistry, especially in context — for of course we can speak of Western culture and the Western tradition in a historical context. (2) is self-evidently vapid, degenerate, and even resentful. (3) is a weak argument of last resort.

    But let’s sidestep all of that: Can you explain the lack of any and all Black accomplishment? If they aren’t intellectually dull, on the whole, why is it that their race has produced no philosophers, no great scientists, no great inventions, no major aesthetic accomplishments, and so forth? Where is the black Tolstoy, the black Schopenhauer? If average intelligence were equal, why is it that the Black race is a race without genius, and without a single noteworthy accomplishment to its credit?

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    merkur Reply:

    How about if we promise to keep “the Black race” off your lawn, will you stop going on and on and on and on and on and on about them?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    @[Erebus]

    {AK}; “(1) It’s better to say, that no definition of these sorts can be absolute. That they are provisional, ‘working’ definitions, for whatever purposes are chosen.
    Contextual considerations of cultural histories are necessarily perspectival, contingent on the contexts constructed.

    (2) Evaluative determinations are contingent on perspective & constructed contexts.

    (3) Science and technology are necessarily limited by their definitions, which, of course, are debatable.

    Your allegations concerning a “lack of any and all Black accomplishment”, are contingent on your perspective, which is structurally homogeneous with that of an indoctrinated, religious fundamentalist who clings on to their dogmatics through disingenuous interpretation & lies. Incessantly repeating false assumptions doesn’t establish or ‘prove’ anything whatsoever, except your blatant inferiority.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Thank you.

    I love the way the charge of ‘sophistry’ keeps getting thrown my way, only to be followed by the purely sophistic question ‘Where is the Black Tolstoy?”

    All this gibberish seems to flow from a religious devotion to the idea of universal progress, helmed by honkies. Not so much a ‘Dark Enlightenment’ as just the regular Enlightenment, really. Pure fascism from the start. I’d recommend Lyotard’s The Postmodern Explained To Children is I thought any of these bugs could understand it.

    The recently invented socio-economic fiction known as ‘White people’ does have the singular honour of grouping together the only people to have dispossessed themselves of their own cultures (by trading tradition for universality) and of substituting real agency for the futility of technology (through a technocratic society and economy). Quite an achievement, and you see where it leads – full-blown psychosis. The market fascism of capitalism creating and controlling a mass of individuals. They start to crack, as we can see. Also the only people to have misunderstood language and representation in such a deranged way that their own concepts and constructs have now entirely escaped their control. Mistaking this for a universal movement, rather than a singular event, seems to be the root of a lot of what passes for thinking here. The map is not the territory.

    To much writing, not enough dancing. Clearly too much Tolstoy as well. Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about Tolstoy? The West is a ruin turned into a museum, knock it down already. I suppose that is why Nick tolerates these bottom-feeders.

    Wagner Reply:

    Artxell and Dan, your rhetoric is only effective on fools. Your grand-daughters getting knocked up by 70 IQ nimrods is your destiny. I hope when you put your money where your mouth is you don’t gag, but you will. And I want to see pictures of the dumb little creatures you call family and the look of hidden anguish on your faces.

    Erebus Reply:

    @A K

    So nothing can be determined. Discrimination is entirely “contingent on perspective & constructed contexts.” Superiority and achievement both do not exist, therefore, or cannot be spoken of. By extension, the life of a man is no more valuable than the life of a gnat. Humanity’s most hard-won intellectual accomplishments are no more valuable than the superstitions of albino-eating witch-doctors. The scrawlings of a jungle savage are not inferior to the works of Plato. The gibbering of a postmodern lunatic is by no means inferior to the oratory of Cicero. Science — the notion that there is an objective reality, and that questions we ask of the Universe can yield meaningful answers — is, of course, “limited by its definitions.”

    …Surely even you can see that this is madness. It’s a philosophical black hole — it leads directly into an abyss where there is neither up nor down. As I’ve said earlier, and more than once, you have lost the ability to discriminate, and have thus divorced yourself from reality. To what depths will you not stoop in pursuit of an equalitarian myth?

    Genesis III
    2 And the woman said unto the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden,
    3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, ‘Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it,lest ye die.’”
    4 And the serpent said unto the woman, “Ye shall not surely die;
    5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

    You repudiate this ancient gift. You know neither good nor evil; for there is no such thing as good, no such thing as evil, no such thing as superiority, nor any such thing as accomplishment. We cannot meaningfully communicate using those words. We should all simply lie down and allow the flow of time to wash over us, as nothing is better than anything else, and nothing means anything anyway.

    This is utter lunacy. And it is, of course, sophism — for the noted sophist Protagoras was the first great relativist.

    SOCRATES: And how about Protagoras himself? If neither he nor the multitude thought, as indeed they do not think, that man is the measure of all things, must it not follow that the truth of which Protagoras wrote would be true to no one? But if you suppose that he himself thought this, and that the multitude does not agree with him, you must begin by allowing that in whatever proportion the many are more than one, in that proportion his truth is more untrue than true.
    THEODORUS: That would follow if the truth is supposed to vary with individual opinion.
    SOCRATES: And the best of the joke is, that he acknowledges the truth of their opinion who believe his own opinion to be false; for he admits that the opinions of all men are true.
    THEODORUS: Certainly.
    SOCRATES: And does he not allow that his own opinion is false, if he admits that the opinion of those who think him false is true?
    THEODORUS: Of course.

    …In truth, there is a clearly evident intelligence gap — and not just an IQ gap — between the races. No amount of relativist obfuscation can alter this fact. And surely, through a haze, even you notice. So who are you going to believe, Protagoras and the postmodernists, or your own lying eyes?

    @ Dan Haines

    >I’d recommend Lyotard’s The Postmodern Explained To Children
    >The recently invented socio-economic fiction known as ‘White people’
    >The West is a ruin turned into a museum, knock it down already.

    …And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The modern concept of White is obviously invented in Modernity.

    Pre-modern societies had akin concepts.

    Of whiteness or leukonity.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The proposition of a “lack of any and all” Negro accomplishment is exaggerated.

    A lot of people don´t know that they had Civilizations.

    e.g. ▬« The Nok Civilization is considered to be one of the most advanced ancient sub-Saharan civilizations in African history. Beginning some time around 1500 BCE, it was largely concentrated in what is now Nigeria but produced some of the first sub-Saharan iron smelting and terracotta architecture. Mysteriously died out around 200 CE. »

    ▬« The Kerma Culture was an early civilization that flourished from around 2500 BCE to about 1500 BCE in Nubia, in Upper Egypt and northern Sudan, centered at Kerma, Sudan. It seems to have been one of a number of Nile valley states during the Middle Kingdom of Egypt. In the Kingdom of Kerma’s latest phase, lasting from about 1700–1500 BCE, it absorbed the Sudanese kingdom of Sai and became a sizable, populous empire rivaling Egypt. Around 1500 BCE, it was absorbed into the New Kingdom of Egypt, but rebellions continued for centuries. By the eleventh century BCE, the more Egyptianized Kingdom of Kush emerged, possibly from Kerma, and regained the region’s independence from Egypt. »

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_empires

    Salger Reply:

    > The recently invented socio-economic fiction known as ‘White people’ does have the singular honour of grouping together the only people to have dispossessed themselves of their own cultures (by trading tradition for universality)

    Unlike Achmed with his kiddie fucking and denial of evolution. Or Blacks fucking babies and virgins to fix their HIV.

    >and of substituting real agency for the futility of technology (through a technocratic society and economy).

    Posted on the Internet.

    Erebus Reply:

    >A lot of people don´t know that they had Civilizations.

    Thousands of years ago. And nothing more recent. Virtually all of their more recent forays into “civilization” are not indigenous — instead have been copied, sometimes at second or third hand, from the West or the Arabs and Berbers. (And the Kerma appear to have ridden on the coattails of Ancient Egypt. Their style in sculpture is sheer mimicry.)

    I’m not convinced that a handful of broken terracotta and a lot of conjecture is real accomplishment, besides. Next to nothing is known about these ancient, failed, forgotten civilizations.

    And what does it say about Africans, then, that their greatest accomplishments are so old as to be almost entirely erased by the passage of time? Truly, they do lack genius and accomplishment — mightily!

    Salger Reply:

    >The market fascism of capitalism

    Is that another saying it’s not a train wreck? After all, look at the garbage pits in Cuba and North Korea.

    Salger Reply:

    >The market fascism of capitalism

    Is that another way of saying it’s not a train wreck? After all, look at the garbage pits in Cuba and North Korea.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    They have a genius for music and physical activities of sorts.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I don´t know tho. I haven´t really looked into the topic. Haven´t checked out their medieval empires.

    I have no need to lessen the deeds of others

    for the glory of my own.

    Salger Reply:

    > Unlike Achmed with his kiddie fucking and denial of evolution.

    I forgot to point out that Achmed is also fucking his relatives from 2nd Cousins up.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    @Erebus

    “So nothing can be determined. Discrimination is entirely “contingent on perspective & constructed contexts.” Superiority and achievement both do not exist, therefore, or cannot be spoken of.”

    You’re missing the distinction between what can be determined and making a final determination. It’s impossible not to make determinations of superiority and achievement. The point is that they are never final.

    “By extension, the life of a man is no more valuable than the life of a gnat.”

    Your conclusion is the essence of nihilism. You betray your attachment to the Christian concept of ‘truth’.

    “Humanity’s most hard-won intellectual accomplishments are no more valuable than the superstitions of albino-eating witch-doctors. The scrawlings of a jungle savage are not inferior to the works of Plato. The gibbering of a postmodern lunatic is by no means inferior to the oratory of Cicero.”

    More nihilism. If what I thought was the highest Truth – God – isn’t true but only my own invention, then everything must be false. Alas!

    “Science — the notion that there is an objective reality, and that questions we ask of the Universe can yield meaningful answers — is, of course, “limited by its definitions.”…Surely even you can see that this is madness. It’s a philosophical black hole — it leads directly into an abyss where there is neither up nor down.”

    It’s like you’re reliving Nietzsche’s journey before our very eyes, Erebus.

    “As I’ve said earlier, and more than once, you have lost the ability to discriminate, and have thus divorced yourself from reality.”

    But what is what you always thought was reality was just your idea of reality?

    “To what depths will you not stoop in pursuit of an equalitarian myth?”

    You seriously want to talk to me about stooping to depths?

    “This is utter lunacy. And it is, of course, sophism — for the noted sophist Protagoras was the first great relativist.”

    If you think Plato is the place to mount an argument against sophistry, you don’t have any idea how to read Plato.

    “…In truth, there is a clearly evident intelligence gap — and not just an IQ gap — between the races. No amount of relativist obfuscation can alter this fact. And surely, through a haze, even you notice.”

    No, I actually have no literally idea what you people are talking about. I have seen as much evidence of this supposed intelligence gap as I have that the moon is made of cheese. I’ve never observed it, and the arguments and supposed evidence you present here is not even a little bit convincing.

    “So who are you going to believe, Protagoras and the postmodernists, or your own lying eyes?”

    You mean, am I going to believe a bunch of ignorant, narcissistic, genocidal race psychotics? Take a guess.

    Salger Reply:

    > I have seen as much evidence of this supposed intelligence gap as I have that the moon is made of cheese. I’ve never observed it, and the arguments and supposed evidence you present here is not even a little bit convincing.

    So how about those crime levels, incomes, nobel prizes in the actual sciences, IQ scores of countries…

    Erebus Reply:

    >”You’re missing the distinction between what can be determined and making a final determination. It’s impossible not to make determinations of superiority and achievement. The point is that they are never final.”
    >”But what is what you always thought was reality was just your idea of reality?”

    You embarrass and shame yourself with this nonsense, Protagoras.

    >”No, I actually have no literally idea what you people are talking about. I have seen as much evidence of this supposed intelligence gap as I have that the moon is made of cheese. I’ve never observed it, and the arguments and supposed evidence you present here is not even a little bit convincing.”

    There’s simply no point in talking abstraction with a relativist such as yourself, so let’s talk specifics. Please, humor me. Perhaps unlike yourself, I live in a universe where, over the past several thousand years, the Black African race has not won a single intellectual accomplishment. They have provided no great scientists, philosophers, regions, technologies, and so forth. Not one. By all accounts, they’d still live as savages were it not for contact with — and subjugation by — superior civilizations. Until very recently, with the rise of a great equalitarian myth, it was common knowledge that their intellects were dull, sluggish, leaden. On most tests of intellect — for example, college entry exams — they still lag very far behind the average of other races.

    …How exactly does this not indicate an intelligence gap? I feel, quite strongly, that their wholesale lack of accomplishment speaks for itself. What evidence would you accept, if any at all?
    If you’re going to respond with more non sequiturs and circular logic, don’t bother. Just answer the questions.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    @Erebus

    You genuinely have no idea what I’m talking about do you?

    If your post reflects your actual beliefs, you seem to think that the worldview of one tiny group of people during one short historical period is definitive for all time. It’s the intellectual equivalent of believing in the Old Testament as a definitive historical account. You’re as lucid as a religious fanatic.

    The real world is in fact full of lots of different peoples, with their own cultures and histories and accomplishments. I meet them each day and there is no discernible difference in their intelligence, or any other behavioural trait or attribute, by racial divides.

    The differences you think are biological are easily explained by developmental, social, historical, economic, environmental, political factors. You only arrive at your race delusion by taking a focus on a few things and rejecting every other possible explanation. Your position makes no sense as the ways of knowing you reject are part of the very thing you claim proves white superiority – i.e. our cultural heritage.

    Your worldview has nothing to do with the facts and doesn’t even have a coherent internal logic to it. Its less convincing than the Old Testament.

    Do you really believe your outlook can be considered anything other than a derangement? All this hatred and genocidal abuse – you think that’s healthy and normal?

    Salger Reply:

    I figure if I pointed the noticeably lower IQ scores of Non-Asian Minorities, income gaps, gaps in education performance, crime stats, and government program use by race you’d call it waycees.

    And being blunt, humanity could use a genocide or two so that we can fight the lowering of Earth. Don’t worry, loads of Whiteys would have to go too.

    Salger Reply:

    > The real world is in fact full of lots of different peoples, with their own cultures and histories and accomplishments. I meet them each day and there is no discernible difference in their intelligence, or any other behavioural trait or attribute, by racial divides.

    >The differences you think are biological are easily explained by developmental, social, historical, economic, environmental, political factors. You only arrive at your race delusion by taking a focus on a few things and rejecting every other possible explanation. Your position makes no sense as the ways of knowing you reject are part of the very thing you claim proves white superiority – i.e. our cultural heritage.

    I figure if I pointed out the noticeably lower IQ scores of Non-Asian Minorities, income gaps, gaps in education performance, crime stats, and government program use by race you’d call them waycees.

    And being blunt, humanity could use a genocide or two so that we can fight the lowering of Earth. Don’t worry, loads of Whiteys would have to go too.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Doubt is fear [1 John 4:18, 5 Rgveda 44:9], caused by lack of remembrance [1 Corinthians 11:2, 10 Rgveda 92:3]; they do not remember that there is only the One, the All [Revelation 1:8, 4 Rgveda 53:3], as there is only God, the Light [John 8:12, 4 Rgveda 53:2], and that there are no historical causes for anything as history (Determinism´s Net) is not real but only apparent (merely a heap of volatile models imposed onto reality, a demonic legion, a net, matrix, maya [Exodus 20:4, 7 Rgveda 104:12-13], limiting, muddling, or binding—grasping, gripping—one´s vision. A swarm of delusions as a net of convolutions. And what is bound on earth is bound in heaven[Matthew 18:18, 8 Rgveda 56:7].

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [G. Eiríksson]: “Doubt is fear [1 John 4:18, 5 Rgveda 44:9], caused by lack of remembrance [1 Corinthians 11:2, 10 Rgveda 92:3]; they do not remember that there is only the One, the All [Revelation 1:8, 4 Rgveda 53:3], as there is only God, the Light [John 8:12, 4 Rgveda 53:2], and that there are no historical causes for anything as history (Determinism´s Net) is not real but only apparent (merely a heap of volatile models imposed onto reality, a demonic legion, a net, matrix, maya [Exodus 20:4, 7 Rgveda 104:12-13], limiting, muddling, or binding—grasping, gripping—one´s vision. A swarm of delusions as a net of convolutions. And what is bound on earth is bound in heaven[Matthew 18:18, 8 Rgveda 56:7].”

    {AK}: That’s nice, G. Eiríksson.

    Erebus Reply:

    >”The real world is in fact full of lots of different peoples, with their own cultures and histories and accomplishments. I meet them each day”

    You miss the forest for the trees. I’ve never said that all blacks are unintelligent — quite to the contrary, there are more than a few clever ones. What I have asserted is that their race is deficient overall — very markedly so — and that there is, in fact, no record of significant accomplishment to their credit. Go ahead, please try and prove otherwise. (Note to Eiríksson: Simply “having civilization” — or, to be more precise, having failed civilizations buried by the sands of time — is an incredibly low bar to clear.) And, as mentioned above, there are abundant contemporary statistics that point to the intellectual inferiority of the black race. From testing, from crime, from income, and so forth. In the West, their inferiority appears to be intractable, despite the mighty efforts made to correct it by soft-hearted fools such as yourself, so you can’t hand-wave it away with pablum like “economic and political factors.”

    I’d add that you must live in a bubble, with an incredibly poor capacity for, as Steve Sailer would put it, noticing things.

    Give the Neoreactionary classic here a read. I would suggest that you read the whole thing. Yes, of course, those people are just like us. Our equals. Hah.

    Another note to Eiríksson: Your biblical references are all messed-up. Exodus 20:4, in particular, doesn’t say what you think it says. But enough of this pointless digression.

    merkur Reply:

    @Erebus:

    “Perhaps unlike yourself, I live in a universe where, over the past several thousand years, the Black African race has not won a single intellectual accomplishment. They have provided no great scientists, philosophers, regions, technologies, and so forth.”

    I mean sure, you live in a parallel universe built of dank memes, but your ignorance is excusable. Imperial history consistently denigrated the accomplishments of others. African history in particular is terra nullius for most Westerners, precisely the historical well upon which you draw, but the poisoned water of that well covered pretty much everybody.

    Victorian views of the Chinese, for example, tended to be “The Chinese are, as may easily be read in their official papers and acts, intellectually a very imbecile people” (de Quincey 1857), or “What can you do with such a people? Either one of two things: leave them alone to exult in their obstinate ignorance, or make them by force yield to your view of the case.” (Osborn 1860)

    So: I’ve already mentioned empires such as Songhai, 15-16th Century. Sokoto Caliphate, 18th Century. Ashanti, 18-19th Century. Zimbabwe, 15th-16th Century. Great regions all, except you presumably won’t accept that because Black? African philosophy has a tradition, but one of the problems is that African cultures have frequently been oral, partly because the physical environment is tough on paper. etc etc.

    “By all accounts, they’d still live as savages were it not for contact with — and subjugation by — superior civilizations. Until very recently, with the rise of a great equalitarian myth, it was common knowledge that their intellects were dull, sluggish, leaden.”

    You might be confusing the narrative that was born in the slave trade and solidified during the age of empire to provide moral justification for imperial force. We can agree that more recent African accomplishment has been more limited compared to European, but you fall into the trap of mistaking a short run of history for biological destiny.

    merkur Reply:

    btw I’m not expecting to persuade you. I’m merely leaving the comment so that the casual reader can get both sides of the historical argument. There’s a lot of interesting books about African history out there, if you want to learn more!

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ « Aeneas´s battlecry might be paraphrased, “We are betrayed and unmanned by wanting to preserve precious fragments of our doomed world. Too late for that! This life is at an end… or if it’s not, and if some cultural fragments may yet be saved, only releasing all regard for life and culture will perhaps win them a new dawn.” » [From Arcadia to Empire: The Aeneid’s Elusive Allegory p. 5.]

    ▬>”Another note to Eiríksson: Your biblical references are all messed-up. Exodus 20:4, in particular, doesn’t say what you think it says.”<

    Oh yeah? I wrote this in 2012 so I´m not even sure what I think Exodus 20:4 says, aside from having checked now, it seems to fit.

    It seems to say

    Erebus Reply:

    @ merkur

    As I’ve told Eiríksson: Simply “having civilization” — or, to be more precise, having failed civilizations buried by the sands of time — is an incredibly low bar to clear. Ants, termites, and prairie dogs have civilizations of sorts. Would you suggest that termites are therefore our equals?

    Again: The African race has produced no great scientific advances, no technology, no philosophy; they have produced no indigenous religion beyond the most insipid and child-like superstitions; there is among them an undeniable paucity of men of genius, which is intractable, and persists to this day.

    Apparently, as per your own account, the black African has not proven equal to the task of developing paper, writing on animal hides, or even carving on stone tablets. Because the physical environment was tough on paper? The Egyptians and Mesopotamians — far older civilizations than the ones you’ve mentioned — were more than capable of writing enduring works on whatever happened to be at-hand, from clay, to plant fibers, to granite. Did the Africans not have any stones or hides?

    Ah… in any case… we’re not going to find common ground. There is no point in continuing this discussion.

    Eiríksson: Exodus 20:4 is the second of the ten commandments — the prohibition on graven images — “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” It is the reason that the Jews have no tradition of religious art. How you derived “history (Determinism´s Net) is not real but only apparent” from that commandment is anybody’s guess. Your other biblical references are also ill fits, though perhaps not to the same truly unusual extent.

    merkur Reply:

    “Your grand-daughters getting knocked up by 70 IQ nimrods is your destiny.”

    It’s always instructive to see how quickly these guys go from “ahem this is pure science m’boy” to “black babies in muh white women”. It makes them more fun at parties, that’s for sure!

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yeah, but it´s real.

    Scientists as emotionless rationalists is fantasy.

    merkur Reply:

    Another point-misser gone semi-pro! Welcome to the games.

    There are lots of things you could be worried about if you believe that collective IQs were a real issue, and lots of policies that might suggest themselves to ensure optimal outcomes. But nope! It’s always cuck this, cuck that, and BBCs before dawn for the Brave Truth Seekers (TM). That’s how you know they’re brave, because nobody else talks about this except special channels on Pornhub.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Take it easy. I am just chilling. Not sweating of a stranger´s “points.”

    In fact I´m in bed with a black Lenovo laptop playing

    somting akin to Witch House while my

    African-Icelandic friend

    chills on the

    couch.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Smartness is more than I.Q.

    But I.Q. is real.

    🙂

    merkur Reply:

    Dear Erebus,

    There is literally no response that will satisfy you, because “Blacks”. For you, civilization can only exist if it’s White. For you, writers can only be good if they’re White. For you, intelligence is only meaningful if it’s White. Apparently you can’t see what a forlorn figure of fun that makes you, which is lucky for the rest of us, who need the entertainment,

    Yours insincerely,

    Dank Victorian Memes

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    Wagner Reply:

    Mein progress

    There’s never been a black person that’s done something significant. From there we infer that there never will be. Your belief that there will is a leap of faith. Hence we laugh at yall as neo-christians. Fundamentalist universalist ideology over truth. ‘Cause we all brothas in sheeit.

    merkur Reply:

    “There’s never been a black person that’s done something significant.”

    Nah. You start from the position that black people can’t do anything significant, and then pretzel yourself to exclude any contrary evidence with some deeply weird arguments.

    I could list “significant” names but you’d just start gibbering about “Muh white woman” and “civilizations be like termites yo” and “I don unnerstan these book words”, so why bother?

    No. Better just to let Brave Truth Seekers (TM) keep posting.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´m interested in a list of ‘pure’ Negroes that have done what most people into history, science, thought, and tech would call really significant.

    Wagner Reply:

    There isn’t one, all they can do is shuffle around it snapping their claws like crabs.

    merkur Reply:

    The original hypothesis was “There’s never been a black person that’s done something significant.”

    Toussaint L’Ouverture. Shaka Zulu. Frantz Fanon. Zera Jacob. Mansa Musa. Kwame Nkrumah. Mo Ibrahim. Ngugi wa Thiongo. Nelson Mandela.

    That’s off the top of my head. Yet it doesn’t matter how many names I list. Y’all will twist yourself up to explain why those don’t disprove. Either they’re not black enough to count, or you disqualify their work, or you’ll change the rules, or some such blather.

    I’ve already freely admitted that Africa lags behind in achievement in a number of areas, but I try not to make the mistake of confusing historical contingency with biological destiny. That kind of mistake is easy to make, but easy to correct, but hey! I guess it’s lucky that nobody has any expectations of you.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Africa lags behind in achievement in a number of areas”

    Congratulations, you said something honest. Here’s a tip: to escalate the honesty try saying that without qualifying it anyhow.

    “lags” “but” lol it’s like teaching a gorilla sign language… one sign at a time.

    By god, the way whites jump thru endless hoops of fire to spare their distant cousins humiliation… Your truth apparatus is busted, murker. Paltry list and you know it, you know Tolstoy is worth more than all those “household names” combined (and Tolstoy is overrated).

    merkur Reply:

    Wagner sez: “There’s never been a black person that’s done something significant.”

    Merkur sez: “Toussaint L’Ouverture. Shaka Zulu. Frantz Fanon. Zera Jacob. Mansa Musa. Kwame Nkrumah. Mo Ibrahim. Ngugi wa Thiongo. Nelson Mandela.”

    Merkur winz that one, but realises that Wagner is too dull to recognise it, so Merkur sez: “Either they’re not black enough to count, or you disqualify their work, or you’ll change the rules, or some such blather.”

    SHO NUFF Wagner sez: “Paltry list and you know it, you know Tolstoy is worth more than all those “household names” combined (and Tolstoy is overrated).”

    So I guess Merkur winz that one too! Thanks for playing Wagner. You were really really good at playing the part they’ve trained you for!

    Wagner Reply:

    You have an odd definition of “significant”–in a world where high differs from low, that is. But if you want to parade around monkeys with make-up painted on them as full human beings that’s your prerogative, tiger. I just hope it’s all for show and you haven’t actually leveled humanity in your personal thoughts.

    merkur Reply:

    Well, I do have a definition of significant – unlike you, apparently.

    Btw if somebody is not a household name to you, it might say more about your household than their name.

    Just a thought as you make your merry way into the mid-Victorian meme farm where you get your ideas.

    John Hannon Reply:

    “I didn’t really come here to have an argument”

    So just to preach then.
    To the heretics.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    That wasn’t my plan, but who could resist?
    Unfortunately, beyond help.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Oh Prominent journals, well then that settles it, no fake news to worry about

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    More Irish thinking. The point was that if you can link to articles in Nature or Psychology Today to try to prove your point, you can’t also claim, with any credibility, that the content has been hushed up.

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    merkur Reply:

    “Thousands of years ago. And nothing more recent.”

    Apart from Songhai, 15-16th Century. Sokoto Caliphate, 18th Century. Ashanti, 18-19th Century. Zimbabwe, 15th-16th Century. And all the others that you don’t believe in because Blacks.

    “Virtually all of their more recent forays into “civilization” are not indigenous — instead have been copied”

    When Europeans do this, it’s the root of White Civilization blah blah blah. When Africans do it, it’s plagiarism. IT’S ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE A DOUBLE STANDARD OR SOMETHING.

    No. You’re just a Brave Truth Seeker (TM).

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    Salger Reply:

    We Wuz Kangz N’ Shieet:

    http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1136671-counter-signal-memes

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    merkur Reply:

    BRAVE TRUTH SEEKER (TM) RELIES ON DANK MEMES TO AVOID TRUTH.

    Full story at 10.

    Salger Reply:

    Repeat after me: Egypt wasn’t ever a Black country. None of the sources of civilization were Black.

    merkur Reply:

    Repeat after me: your concept of Black/White didn’t exist until the nineteenth century. None of the sources of civilization were White or Black or anything that fits such a ridiculously cramped binary.

    SVErshov Reply:

    Repeat after me:  genetically we are all mutants, only niggers are those with original code.

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    merkur Reply:

    SVErshov, solid work in showing that you aren’t original. Yap yap yap yap yap!

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  • merkur Says:

    The problem for these guys is not that there is no “Black Tolstoy” – it’s that they’re too dull to realise that there is no “White Tolstoy”.

    Countdown to some white supremacist rando misunderstanding that statement in 5….4…..3…..2….1….

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    “Where is the white Tolstoy?” – yes. Nailed it. Doesn’t exist.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Naw, c´mon. Pigmentation is real. 🙂

    & inherited. Like all other

    biological traits.

    😀

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Depending on how you classify biology. E.g. a broken tooth is not inherited.

    Shape of teeth from genes is. And skulls. 😎

    Wagner Reply:

    It’s all fun and games until your son is jaundiced-brown with a little head. If they’re lucky they’ll get a jaundiced-brown daughter with a juicy bootay to make up for her little head.

    Salger Reply:

    Race nun reel.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Race is another word for biological heritage.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    African
    Asian
    Middle Eastern
    White

    Can you not spot the odd one out?

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    Salger Reply:

    https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/so-who-is-white/

    Anything else?

    Dan Haines Reply:

    So you can’t spot the difference?

    Salger Reply:

    You can figure out that when myself and others say White, we are talking about the seriously old populations that can be found from the Iberian Peninsula to Russia. Which have a heritage that other populations don’t.

    merkur Reply:

    “IYou can figure out that when myself and others say White, we are talking about the seriously old populations that can be found from the Iberian Peninsula to Russia. Which have a heritage that other populations don’t.”

    Which others? There’s a not insignificant number of white nationalists who don’t think that Hispanic or Slavic heritage is White at all. So which racists are we supposed to listen to?!?!?! IT SO CONFUSION.

    Salger Reply:

    > There’s a not insignificant number of white nationalists who don’t think that Hispanic or Slavic heritage is White at all.

    Hispanics with majority Euro heritage while having little to none blood from Blacks and Redskins are certainly White. Slavic populations are found from genetics to be little different from populations in France or Britain.

    Salger Reply:

    By the way, White is not more misleading than African is as a racial category. North Africa has loads of non-Negroids in it (see Egypt).

    Dan Haines Reply:

    OMG you actually can’t spot the difference!
    Extraordinary.

    Maybe I should try an easier one:

    Cat
    Rat
    Hat

    ?

    Salger Reply:

    I don’t speak postmodern. Anything else?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salger]; “I don’t speak postmodern. Anything else?”

    {AK}: You obviously don’t speak elementary IQ test, either.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    African; Asian; & Middle Eastern; are geographic categories, White isn’t.

    Cat & Rat, are animal categories; Hat isn’t.

    Postmodern considerations would question the nature of categorial limitation, as to levels of consistency; truth; construction; context; etc..
    Through such considerations, even the simplest IQ test question is questionable, whether through its contingency on culture-specific criteria, or through more ‘foundational’ concerns.
    The irony here, is that whatever route [Salger] elects to take, in order to avoid Dan Haines’s logical challenges, will be structurally equivalent to the routes undermining the primacy of precisely that which [Salger] supremacises, as it were.

    [Salger] is chasing after a genetics-based hallucination of exceptionalism which his own lack of understanding belies, in practice; moreover, in the very practice he offers as one definitive criterion of his purported exceptionalism. lol

    Salger Reply:

    > African; Asian; & Middle Eastern; are geographic categories, White isn’t.

    Geography doesn’t overrule genetics. Africa is too diverse in races for African to work as a racial category.

    >Babble

    Keep talking postmodern. Won’t overrule genetics or how much of a joke Third Worldism is. I’ll put in some bonuses:

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/colonialism-did-not-make-africa-poor/

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-wealth-of-colonizers-or-lack-thereof/

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salger]: “Geography doesn’t overrule genetics. Africa is too diverse in races for African to work as a racial category.”

    {AK}: You’re trying to refute a claim that wasn’t made. The issue was an elementary, logical one, nothing to do with genetics.

    You must be trolling, no one can be that stupid.

    merkur Reply:

    Salger- Thanks for the links to those blog posts! Whenever people ask me to explain the Dunning-Kruger effect, I always struggle to find good examples – but no longer!

    His “colonization index” is a thing of beauty, literally the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time – and I spend time on “race realist” websites, so you can imagine how dumb that is.

    Salger Reply:

    >{AK}: You’re trying to refute a claim that wasn’t made. The issue was an elementary, logical one, nothing to do with genetics.

    >You must be trolling, no one can be that stupid.

    Yeah, keep talking postmodern Pajeet.

    >Salger- Thanks for the links to those blog posts! Whenever people ask me to explain the Dunning-Kruger effect, I always struggle to find good examples – but no longer!

    >His “colonization index” is a thing of beauty, literally the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time – and I spend time on “race realist” websites, so you can imagine how dumb that is.

    Keep blaming colonialism for the underperformance and dysfunctional antics of Dindus/Muslims/Victim Group. Meanwhile:

    http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2016/02/paul-bairoch-on-industrial-revolution.html?m=1

    http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2016/02/paul-bairoch-on-industrial-revolution_20.html?m=1

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Salger]; “Yeah, keep talking postmodern Pajeet.
    Keep blaming colonialism for the underperformance and dysfunctional antics of Dindus/Muslims/Victim Group. Meanwhile:

    http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2016/02/paul-bairoch-on-industrial-revolution.html?m=1

    http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2016/02/paul-bairoch-on-industrial-revolution_20.html?m=1

    {AK}: SOMETHING’S COMIN’ OUR WAY

    You should have stuck to the genetics, you can dick around with differences there, & hallucinate holding positions to your heart’s content.

    The colonialism, imperialism, the industrial revolution; there’s lots of stuff about that, but noone’s really had success in pinpointing a coherent, complete, & non-Western, set of factors for its emergence. Why?
    One could say that there is no ‘Western exceptionalism’; that there was just a fortuitous conjunction of factors, & Modernity just ‘happened’.
    There are noises about institutionalism; about ‘racial’, climate, & other differences. All of these, no doubt, have roles to play, in any ostensible emergence. But I’m not sure if they’re enough.
    One could produce noises about Modernity-vitiating continuities of development; that Modernity is not, fundamentally, any kind of ‘break’ or ‘rupture’ with that which it is alleged to be a revolutionary subsequence of. That Modernity is just the promotional rhetoric of Occidental hype & PR, & nothing else.

    All of these noises are ‘true’, when one turns the prism of the present around, observing the facets; likewise, all are ‘false’.

    But none of this nonsense; the regressive repetition of it; the retreat into nostalgic identities; is going to help any of you. Something’s Comin’ Our Way

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “noone’s really had success in pinpointing a coherent, complete, & non-Western, set of factors for its emergence”;

    should read;

    “noone’s really had success in pinpointing a coherent, complete, & uniquely European (i.e. non-Eastern, etc), set of factors for its emergence.”

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    WOW what a load of postmodern crap!

    Basicly nothing exists unless it suits my desires of taking away white peoples money and pride!

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yeah, there´s some of that.

    And the opposite.

    Reverse.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Your comment revels immediately that you have no idea what the term ‘postmodern’ means, in any of its uses. Try again.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Sorry, that was directed at the cowardly Unknown128, not G Ericksson, who seems significantly less moronic than most others here. Maybe his/her Nordic heritage showing.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    Also we are acused of selectivly using sciense…..you mean like 99% of the scientific comunity out there? If you have a hypothesis you use facts to confirm it but there will always be problems and facts that might be used to contradict it, this facts must be argued against like proponents of the heraditarian hypothesis do. I think it stands stronger then many “universaly acsepted” hypothesis out there. As a historian I know on how little facts “widly acsepted” theories and points of view are often based.

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    merkur Reply:

    It’s true, 99% of the scientific community desires of taking away white peoples money and pride!

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    Unknown128 Reply:

    @Unknown128 realy I didnt say that so stop with the nonsense allready!

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    Never argue with a Postmodernist, truth dosnt exist for then exept if it suits their politics.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @merkur

    You mean like blacks dont kill people, a specific black does it ? Well golly gee thats deep!

    Does it work that way for for racism too? Are there only little individual bigots, or is this white privilege thing like original sin? Do whites only get this sin when they enter a multicultural nations? Or do say Latvians have the sin of white privilege too? ? No I get it white privilege is the mistaken belief that any white, but no non white might be a potential Tolstoy, Its a black swan thing, we just havnt found a black Tolstoy yet so we think, hey they dont exist, And one day we are going to be wiped out by black Tolstoys because white supremacists logical falacies.1—2———–3——– boom

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  • merkur Says:

    No, that’s not what I meant at all, but thanks for proving me right that some white supremacist rando was guaranteed to misunderstand that statement.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Here is the bottom line Merker your argument is a lot of words ours is the world. You point at abstractions cooked up by commie Jews propagandists, we point at reality. what is it you commies call it? Lived experience.Becoming red pilled means you stop believing the propaganda and and start believing your eyes and ears and reason.

    Non whites even with massive legal privileges still cant compete in our nations, even after we have dumbed down our own people to make the non whites seem better. We cant afford this game any longer, the stakes have become existential, we need to bring our best game to the future. The minorities will have to sink or swim on their own.

    You are arguing simultaneously that they are our equals, and that it is cruel of us to deny them our company because they cant do it alone. Interesting you dont advocate on behalf of the Japanese, or lobby the Koreans to take in Syrians. Because you know we are right. Yeah billions will starve and kill each other. Maybe you should have thought about that before you helped them to quintuple their populations. Yes trump will deport millions as will Europe and that will suck for those people, maybe you and they should have thought about that before you defied the wishes of the people of those nations and caused this immigration tsunami.If you are right and they are so capable they will do fine, but you know thats not true. youre not worried that the Chinese will also be kept out, why not? Because you know the Chinese can take care of themselves.

    So post all the agitprop you wish its over, liberalism overreached while whites still had enough fight left to reverse this. Nationalism, localism, is sweeping the world, leftism is responding with ever greater absurdities, millennials think youre a joke that they must pay lip service to.
    As they begin to feel the loss of their birthright they will become increasingly out raged, and you have removed all moral authority from the equation this cycle will be without resort to slave morality it will be dark, it will also be dark because it going to coincide with structural changes in technology that will exacerbate the situation. All leftism is spending other peoples money and debt, thats all gone when leftism is revealed to have actually taken from living generation the wrath will ensue.

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    merkur Reply:

    At this point you are literally arguing with a little man inside your head, rather than anything that’s been written by anybody in this comments thread.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    The US has just had a black president for eight years.

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    Salger Reply:

    The Black President has been rejected by White America after seeing his contempt for them.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    He´s really brown. Not black.

    Black is more crisp.

    — Negro.

    Salger Reply:

    He was also born to a coalburner Lefty mother. And he ended up holding his grandparents in contempt while fawning over his Dindu Nuffin Daddy.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I think he was hired by the Deep State is what I think. 🙂

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    why do you even feed this troll? I mean what has he even contributed to the discussion exept nonsense and ad hominems?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I was just thinking the same thing, Obviously the answer is we are angry and its an excuse to vent and hopefully trigger them as payback. But its really stupid we get caught up in the emotion and say stupid things and they get to graffitti the blog. Obviously the smart thing is to ask them why they are here and refuse to engage. I think if it were my blog I would delete the obvious trolls unless they presented some extraordinary argument worth exploring for our own edification. I notice race is the hugest comment draw but the quality deteriorates quickly Im guilty as hell. I lurked here for years before commenting i notice a marked change this past year.Im going to go back to lurking and see if some of the old commentators return. I hate to advocate for editing the comments but to me the distinction is HBD is not up for debate from the progressive perspective that nonsense is pure propaganda brought here as saboutage. Debate within the right about HBD related issues is something certainly not settled so deleting the alt rightists i wouldnt advocate, i would advocate encouraging them to elevate their discourse. I realize that fails a lot they are angry and suspicious at nuance and I cant blame them. But I think many of them would if not antagonized with putdowns rather enjoy learning a bit more technically the deeper aspects of the science and its possible implications by people who really have that level of expertise.It devolves into a class things quickly. I think its wrong for both sides to make assumptions based on class or educational attainment. my experience is the world is not nearly as cognitively sorted along class lines as many on both sides assume. Frankly for all their faults i think the altright is taking the situation more seriously than reaction and rightly so. i see this as a microcosm of the outside world. Part of the problem in the west is the cognitive elites that are also the upper classes so usually better educated, abandoning the lower classes many of whom are equally intelligent and many certainly intelligent enough to grasp the basics, My experience is doctors for instance are only marginally more intelligent than nurses on average. I dont many polititions are even bright yet they are running the world. And its the elites of academia etc that have so destroyed the world, while the proles resist them.The European nations that have the least to brag about historically seem to have the most common sense.This isnt demotism its a call for noblesse oblige, between reaction and alt right.Of course who knows what those terms mean anymore some some senses would make no sense.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    are you michael under another name?

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    Nice bit of Irish thinking there.

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  • FromTheNewWorld Says:

    The only thing that can teach a postmodernist true believer anything is a bullet through the head. A physical narrative that equalises their state of being with their state of mind.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No, you can reach them emotionally.

    They´re at an development

    -al stage. No rage

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    They’re, intellectually, stillborns (kinda like you, by the way, which is why, I guess, you defend their corrigibility — you share the same defective, dead minds). Or they’re liars.

    That’s what neat about our philosophers. They come in only two variants, and one solution.
    Killing a cretin is kindness. Killing a liar is wisdom. Pol Pot had the right idea, but the wrong application.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´re an anonymous frustrated guy on-line talking about genocides.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    No. I simply can’t stand stupid people.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Mate, no one here is stupid.

    Just in degrees.

    Emo

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    “No one here is stupid” is a good anti-joke. Try to make it funny next time.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´m not gonna try nothing.

    Dan Haines Reply:

    “You´re an anonymous frustrated guy on-line talking about genocides.”

    merkur Reply:

    “What is ought to be.”

    FromTheNewWorld solves one of the defining problems of philosophy, by simply being unaware that it exists!

    merkur Reply:

    G-man, you clearly have not realised that genocide is unacceptable when anybody else does it, but okay when “we” do it, because White. No Brave Truth Seeker (TM) achievement badge for you!

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    merkur Reply:

    “No. I simply can’t stand stupid people.”

    Which is sad, because they say such nice things about you, right up to the point where you send them to the gas chamber!

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    I don’t remember ever complaining about “white genocide”. The law is kill or be killed. It has always been thus. It will forever be thus.

    What is ought to be.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Is that law within your own family?

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    What a dumb question.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    It´s not a dumb question, kiddo.

    Dumb to you maybe.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    I suppose you think that asking whether shooting yourself in the foot lies within the same “legal” domain makes you smart. It’s the opposite.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Kid, you are not as smart as me. Is your race ethnic family?

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Another dumb question. Don’t try to be something you’re not Eiríksson. Keep to the esoteric nonsense, the “aryan” spiritualism and all that shit

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You avoid for a second time.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You are far less of an intellectual than you think.

    You make psuedointellectual statements like “The law is kill or be killed. It has always been thus. It will forever be thus.”

    Then when you are confronted with your “philosophy”, you do what? Avoid & insult.

    How are you ever going to have any influence while being so flat.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The question is legitimate, whence doth this “law of the jungle” extend? Are you referring to the competitive corporate environment or to a neo-Nazi skinhead concert or to ancient Iceland?

    Little twat.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Having a tribe helps you kill before you get killed. Though it helps, common lineage is neither necessary nor sufficient for the formation of a tribe. You’re a whole library of history and biology books short of being on an even footing here. There’s really nothing to avoid.

    You’re a right-wing/European version of Artxell Knaphni with a dash of merkur (a ridiculous obsession with language, to the point of meaninglessness). A nonsense producing machine. Or as Johan Schmidt put it a few days ago, a Sokal Markov Chain.

    This is the level of engagement you deserve.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´ve already showed yourself to be third-rate, often.

    You´re a copy-paste thinker, with emotional

    disturbance and stunted growth.

    “Kill or be killed”, you think you´re in a line of world-class Philosophers now, you Asperger´s nihilist trash, just a sideproduct of unwitting history.

    You do don´t even do philosophy, but your thinking is at the level of a “edgy” “Darklord” fanfiction for Star Wars. Go read a WarHammer 40.000 novel.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    A philosopher? Let me put it as bluntly as possible, so that you and you lot can understand: if the category of ‘philosopher’ admits the likes of Jacques Derrida or David Hume as members, then no, I’d rather be a nigger. Fortunately, I am a biologist by profession, and a scientist by vocation.

    My metric is “is it so?” not “is the verbiage impressive?”.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You could be a toothless crackhead for all I know, posting pseudonymously on the Internet.

    Philosopher to me means the same thing as Socrates (Plato) defined it.

    Too esoteric “spiritualism”, as you said, for you.

    Biologist my ass, some janitor.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [FromTheNewWorld]: “You’re a right-wing/European version of Artxell Knaphni”

    {AK}: You’ve all lost the plot. Fighting each other.
    But all of your statements are just blustering stupidity.
    You can’t actually deliver anything decent in the way of thinking.
    There’s no hint of it.
    At least you accepted that you were inferior, though.
    But it might be that you need it spelt out for you?
    Know your place.

    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    I could be an FBI agent or your father too, for all you know. Posting pseudonymously is the wise thing to do. If you had actually read your Plato you’d have known that prudence is a virtue. It spares me from a lot of inconvenience. (Especially with how much this blog’s commentariat has devolved over the years.)

    Your disbelief is a very small price to pay for that.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´re Wagner expressing this part of himself through one of his pseudonyms.

    Next is him denying it. He justifies it to himself with Nietzsche´s

    reference to masks. It´s not uncommon to do

    Third is you saying “paranoid”

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    If you´re not him you´re a very similar type, or on the same current.

    Samefag, as they say on 4chan.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    {AK}: You’ve all lost the plot. Fighting each other.

    This is not a Collective, nor a team

    nor an organization.

    Wagner Reply:

    You think I’m Fernando Pessoa?

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    White nationalist trash commenting here are worse than the PoMos.

    They think the Deep State hirree Donald fucking Trump

    means that there´s a White “tribe” now……

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    Wagner Reply:

    Erikson, careful, you’re reaching levels of chimpout, you viking brute.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Naw bro, I´m relaxing

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    Wagner Reply:

    If you want to chimp out chimp out
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDZyJTDZi0w

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Appreciated.

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    Wagner Reply:

    One wonders why Land is a magnet for pestilence. I’ll go out on a limb and say there are karmic forces at work, and Brits of yore were very bad boys to the Chinese and Indians. Now Nick-puppet is being used to shine the gooks’ shoes as divine retribution for his ancestors’ ruthless brutality…. There are a handful of truth-kernels in this thread but overall it’s despicable, a chatroom for bruised egos.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I quite like this thread. I fester on the ruins like Beel-Zebub himself!

    Frankly tho I´m way past getting hurt or annoyed

    by anything anyone ever says

    on-line anyway

    🚸

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  • FromTheNewWorld Says:

    Artxell, I’m not a postmodernist analysing narratives, but if anyone lost the plot here, it’s you. The infighting you think you observe does not exist, since we’re not part of the same faction. Begin a retrospection of the discussion. Something just might dawn on you.

    This much is within your means.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s just a suggestion, but the White Racists & White Nationalists, might be better off outsourcing any intellectual work to a Third World country with lots of brown people, the quality would increase immeasurably. It’s obvious that white men are not capable of running white supremacy.

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    Dan Haines Reply:

    They might need special customer service training though or it could be a disaster for the brand. Someone would have to go and teach then the lingo: “You’ll see when niggers rape your daughters”, “Just wait until we gas you all”, “You’re so fucking stupid you should die”, and the like.

    Oh and “Where is the Black Tolstoy?” of course. Nearly forgot that one.

    I think that pretty much covers the whole pitch outlined above?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    lol!

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    My sister needs to design logos n shit for a restaurant

    the cliché «All you need is love» is tabled

    does anyone know if it´s

    trademarked

    ?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Or would the terminology be ‘copyrighted’ I guess

    or does both apply? I´m an aspirant

    amateur dreaming dude

    Entepreneur

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    “It was the whiteness of the whale that above all things appalled me.”

    Moby Dick, Herman Melville

    https://twitter.com/lwwillow1

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    It might be more scientific in a sense to speak of lineage rather than race.

    Race seems bulky, especially after the term being loaded.

    Refers to some leukic chunk of pigmentation

    Lineage is exact. Detailed. If it is

    known. I know mine

    1200 years

    😛

    Craniometry then also is just simply measurement. Nonhistorical. Like measuring walls.

    Its correlation with whatever other fact or measure

    is interesting. Like

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Cue in ressentiment comment from some fraught soul about inbreeding, which probably has been dealt with a few times in the comments here.

    “Muh race” hur dur White nationalism.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    the entire thinking of the hard left could be explained in a few sentences.

    1.wealth and power across the globe is unequaly distributed

    2.One group (whites) has a lot of bouth

    3.This is unfair towards the other groups

    4.Thus we must invent all kinds of reasons to make whites give away their hard earned wealth and power

    5.Reasons can be very different: muh colonialism, whites cheated and dont deserve their wealth, whites dont exist so if they dont exist they should have no problem giving away their stuff to the “opressed”, “systemic racism” (for some reason not afecting east asians). Since whites dont exist they should have no problem of becoming a minority (but other groups still can preserve ethnic cohesion because for some reason they do exist). Whites have ruined the world and now others must save it ect, ect, ect

    6.In the end its nothing but a scam, convincing people that they deserve to lose their wealth.

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    merkur Reply:

    If you think that’s the entire thinking of the hard left, you’re in for a great surprise!

    Although I imagine every day is a great surprise for you, what with reality and all.

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    Unknown128 Reply:

    This is the part of their thinking that most concerns me personaly so its the most importent one for me. The core of leftism is taking away stuff from sucsessful groups and giving it to losers and inferiors. Always was, always will be.

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    merkur Reply:

    You seem like a decent enough person at this point, so : can I suggest that you read a little more widely about what left politics actually involves? A good starting point might be Geoff Eley’s “Forging Democracy”, with some caveats.

    Note: I’m not trying to convert you. I don’t consider myself “left” since I think this binary view of politics should be consigned to the history books, and is not useful in the C21. For discussing the C19/20 however, it is still worth something.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    —>”The core of leftism is taking away stuff from sucsessful groups and giving it to losers and inferiors.”

    Do you think that Louis XVI and Tsar Nicholas II deserved to continue on?

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  • “La genética es racista” – Lo que no se dice Says:

    […] decía Nick Land, ante el aserto de arriba, hay que elegir entre ser un cínico mentiroso, un ignorante piadoso o un […]

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 Sigh I know this book, I also know many of the works of the ideologues of the left from the 19th century. This is not a scientific thread, people (including you) just throw around slurs and insults here and you expect us to bother with detailed responses?

    Trust me, many here know leftist thinking much better then the averege leftist its just that I dont think anyone here is debating (including you). Just know that we wont give up the wealth and power our ancestors earned without a fight. Many Western people think or at least feel this way.

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    merkur Reply:

    What did you think Eley’s book? I’m thinking particularly of the interwar period, which I think got derailed by his failure to reconcile what I view as a fundamental split between authoritarian communism and social democracy.

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    merkur Reply:

    It seems a weird thing to claim that “many here know leftist thinking much better then the averege leftist”. What does that mean, exactly?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Well this blog has devolved significantly over the past year and a half because the alt right and altleft target it. Go back through it earlier, go through moldbug and the other reactionary foundation and you will see the most obscure left writing of the past 500 years excruciatingly analyzed. Theres something going on here merker and you dont know what it is.

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    merkur Reply:

    Again, a weird claim to make. It’s difficult to see how Moldbug understands “left writing” since he (AFAIK) failed to write anything significant about the writing of – Karl Marx? And it doesn’t follow that you (or anybody else here) understands “left politics” better than “leftists” – it should be clear in particular that Unknown128 doesn’t understand “left politics” in the least!

    collen ryan Reply:

    We know, you know, we understand it ,or you wouldn’t be so concerned with us.We know you know, we, or rather this blog, rather reaction, are not the alt right. Obviously you vaguely understand reaction is while not the altright, is far more dangerous; and you are here because you want to convert us. But like a typical modern leftist you are obsessed with race and are intellectually lazy. So you dont want to bother finding out whats going on. You are tilting at windmills here, all the reactionaries are ignoring you. Most left here a year a more ago and only communicate on serve lists now. You are arguing with newfags or alt right trolls like myself. We are avatars sent to distract you and enjoy ourselves doing it. You are also years too late reaction is spreading through the cathedral for several years now. And as I keep telling you this entire thing is about reality, you cant convince those that have verified reality to unknow things because you have a theology you find interesting or emotionaly satisfying.This is why ultimately your errand is pointless no one is promoting this its simply whats going to happen because reality. If we are wrong then relax you have nothing to worry about your women fag and tranny troops will easily defeat reality, and you can make art out of our bones.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Unknown128]: “@Unknown128 Sigh I know this book, I also know many of the works of the ideologues of the left from the 19th century. This is not a scientific thread, people (including you) just throw around slurs and insults here and you expect us to bother with detailed responses?

    Trust me, many here know leftist thinking much better then the averege leftist its just that I dont think anyone here is debating (including you). Just know that we wont give up the wealth and power our ancestors earned without a fight. Many Western people think or at least feel this way.”

    {AK}: You’ve got “wealth & power”?
    What, then, are you whining about?
    The problem is that you people aren’t capable of anything at all, except a random mix of nonsense, serving as a bigot’s brew of wish-fulfilment.
    We’ve already established, on these very threads, the inability of you people to demonstrate any kind of logical thought; or any kind of serious theoretical understanding; even in the most elementary ways.
    What do you expect?
    If you can’t deliver the superior thought that you allege, whereas others can, you stand self-condemned as inferior.
    It’s that obvious.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    Its to sympathetic to the left for my taste. Also I dont know how much you konow of the african empires (mostly on the Niger river) that existed but but if youd knew more of them you wouldnt compare their achievements to that of even China let alone the Wests.

    I have no interest debating anything here let alone with someone like you. You have shown yourself to much of a troll with to little knowloge behind a veneer of smugness that I should bother to.

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  • merkur Says:

    A history of the left that is too sympathetic to the left? I am not entirely convinced that your reading is in good faith.

    I know a little bit about various African empires, but it’s sometimes hard to see behind my veneer of smugness.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 Yes for bouth cases. No matter their problems they were much better then what replaced them. Under bouth monarchs their countries experienced economic and cultural growth. Between 1890 and 1914 Russia was the fastest growing country in terms of GDP per capita in Europe. The 2 revolutions ended in the death or displacement of many of the best people of bouth societies (it was much worst in the Russian revolution though) which weakened the countries potential for the future.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Would you think Russia would have industrialized as much without the Revolution? Remember that the October and February revolutions are two different.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 It would have certainly have a stronger economy, especialy since it would have been among the victors in WW1 and benifited from new lands and reperations (I am talking about a version were the February revolution has been broken). As for potential economic development. I run a blog which is to a large extent about this http://bash-m-ak.livejournal.com/ It is in Russian but you could use Google translator. If you have any precise questions about the Russian economy in the late empire and early SU please ask.

    Lets just say that “Industrialisation” that creates industry that is very ineficient on a per worker basis will be reversed once confronted with the free market (which hapened in the 1990s). SUs industrialisation mostly ocured by pumping masses of peasents from agriculture into heavy industry which itself was mostly oriented on military production. This led to a rise in many heavy industrial sectors 1927-1940 that was about 2 times faster then in the late empire but to very little growth in heavy industry and no growth in agriculture and overall falling living standarts (which can be seen by many factors but most of all in stagnating life expectency despite rapid medical advancments (it rose a bit for adult for women because fewer births and fewer birth deaths but declined for adult men quiet a bit) as well as antropometric and even oficial statistical data). Mostly it was a massive increase of the workforce thus extensive growth with almost no rise in productivity (there was some acording to some calculations and a fall acording to others even the highest calculations set it much lower then in the late empire). The growth in the late empire was far more “normal” for Europe. A relative slow trickeling of peasent labor into cities (share of urban population rising from 9-11% 1890 to 17-20% 1913 of the general population) with quiet fast industrial growth brought by with a combination of increase in the workforce and increase in labor productivity. Id say that while we cant know the future concidering the tendencies of the empire Russia would have ended up with a smaller heavy industry which would have been complimented by a larger light industry with bouth being more efficient. Remember sovjet growth started to massivly decline in the 1970s when there were no more peasents to pump into the industry and the communists figured out that they didnt know how to make economy run efficiently. A capitalist Russia of the style it was at 1913 would have not encontered this problem. Ofcourse there would have been other problems like the great depression but they would have been far less of a dead end then what the SU experienced. Let alone the fact that without the Revolution russia would have been spared the tens of millions of dead from civil war and (mostly red) terror as well as the consequences of communist agrarian policy which led to an overall of 12-15 million dead.

    Sorry for my bad English.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    One´s English isn´t bad as long as you get your information across: which you did.

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  • Unknown128 Says:

    @Unknown128 Also like most modern historians I dont believe that what hapened in October was a “revolution” just like the various radicalisation steps of the French revolution wernt seperate revolutions. From februar on russias rulership steadely and acseleratingly became more radical and leftist. There were 4 different compositions of the provisional government each more leftist then the previous. As society became more and more disfunctional between february and October more and more radical groups that had almost no followship in February started to swallow up. The Bolsheviks were the most sucsessfull of these groups and their coup in October was certainly an important point in the revolutionary process but it was a continuation of an existing process rather then a new revolution. Revolutions after all often experience polarisations and radicalisations which lead to more and more radical forces in power over all or parts of the country and to rebelions against them and civil wars. In Russia this process was especialy bloody because of many factors one of them certainly being the radical leftism of the Bolsheviki and their policy of humiliation and opression of anyone they deemed an “opressor” for “class justice” and “equality” (the term “social justice” was used as well) and their desire to imediatly go to socialism and abolish private property and trade (which was a disaster).

    The chances to stop the fall into the abyss after February did exist but they were few and after may 1917 all that could be achieved was a lesser crash.

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