Moron bites (#25)

Does ethnomasochism get any more abject than this?

The foreigners will teach us how, in their long journey, they see the horrendous politics of our country and how they will participate in changing it; and we will teach foreigners how we have tried for a long time to change it, this politics, and how we see their essential place in the future of the struggle.

That’s from communist pop star Alain Badiou. The entire piece is a philosophico-political clown show. Luckily it’s French, so it’s not really our problem.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Bifo is the one with working brain among them.

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    Tex Reply:

    He’s too sad to be of any use (and Italian..)

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  • John Says:

    Being and Event (i think) came out when I was a student, remember someone who initially raved about it say its argument didn’t really work.

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  • Nulle Terre Sans Seigneur Says:

    That or good old international proletarian solidarity. Even better if you build a popular front with them at home.

    A “shame” that centuries of the Truce of God, genetic pacification and low consanguinity have bred a race more prone to ethnomasochism. An unintended consequence of eugenics right there. Perhaps if the Carolingian monks had not been such universalist cucks and instead realized that the true nature and destiny of man is the Rassenkampf, we might have been spared from the discontent of advanced civilization. They didn’t have alt-right blogs back then, unfortunately.

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    Frank Reply:

    The same people weren’t ethnomasochist, by any stretch of the imagination, 200 years ago. The genetic stock couldn’t have changed substantially to explain an ethnomasochist shift of this magnitude in a mere 8 generations.

    This is about comfort, wealth, and not having children. European people don’t care about the invading hordes –don’t care enough to do something about it anyway — because they estimate they won’t be here to suffer the consequences, nor do they have children to secure a future for.

    This is not about ethnomasochism, this is about shrunken time horizons. Why think about the longterm nightmarish consequences of inviting subhumans to shit all over your civilization when you can keep the buzz going with another pack-response dopamine hit from sanctimonious drivel about brotherhood of humanity?

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    Wagner Reply:

    This is where I think you’re wrong, Frank. The virtue-signalling meme needs to be subjected to a Revaluation. As a first gesture in this direction I think this phenomenon can be seen as virtue-*instilling* rather than virtue-signalling. When one accuses another of signalling what that one is signalling to me by invoking signalling is, they have trust issues. Maybe not you but speaking stereotypically that is the case. We have to remember that genetics doesn’t end once one is “aWoken” to HBD, being woke is part of HBD, it’s the continuation of the telos of our genes. What I am saying, as I’ve said before, is that the Christ-myth did indeed reveal a Truth, a very real Truth, and our folk is spreading it, as they should. The alt-right/NRx is a kind of Over-Reaction (OR) to this biological event. These (we) Neo-Not-Sees do not see that the telos of our brethren is reaching the end of its tether and that we are the same dog, only breaking loose. Virtue-signalling about virtue-signalling, as it were–except, again, there is no signalling – that is cynical-talk – there is only (mostly) virtue-instilling. We are the next phase of Virtue Police.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Boy, superstitious-Nick would have had an orgasmic panic-attack if that had been poasted one minute sooner. Land ol buddy ol pal this might be a corner-piece for the puzzle of Being we’re working with here: I was talking with my grandma on the phone, and apparently I might be 1/3 English. Speaking of racial horror! I am both ashamed… and proud. Mostly angry. I still think we should’ve lost the War.

    “Bill was in the army after the war in occupied Germany. And his wife Carla is German. He’s in Hamburg, and he said during the summer, because they were in the British Occupation Zone, you could hear, feel, and smell the stench of all the corpses under the buildings because all the buildings had been flattened mostly by British Bomber Command activities.” – BOWDEN, “Bill Hopkins and the Angry Young Men”

    Frank Reply:

    But you can’t virtue police your way to virtue, especially not to truth. The fundamental property (and problem) of us humans is that our reward system is dominated by status inventorying (dominance hierarchy). This is non-negotiable. As you note, we think that we transcend the silly game of gossip (aka virtue signaling) when we become aware of it, but it’s just that we silence the circuitry by starving it of signals (solitude, introspection), temporarily. This is achieved at the cost of depression and alienation (depression is simply a signal for a loss of capital, failure of ventures, or anticipation of insolvency in the market for reproduction and association). As soon as we engage others, it (status game circuit) is back on: pulling your strings via stick and carrot of dopamine-serotonin denominated status points of normiedom. This is what Kaczynski meant when he criticized leftists for ‘oversocialization’. The whole of the Matrix is this untranscendable game of gossip. This is the tragedy of the logos project. As long as it’s bound to Homo (Virtue) Signaling, language cannot be laundered of gossip. I think this autistic hatred of cant is the underlying motivation behind Moldbug’s UR project. He wants to kill voice and make language great again. Nick wants to help capital will kill voice. Curt Doolittle is trying to find a way to bootstrap a decentralized dictatorship of peers to drown out monopoly of gossip. Nassim fends against the lure of gossip by his ritual of periodically checking his bank statements showing the 8 figure he made betting against the gossip of pre-2008. These gentlemen cover the spectrum (so to speak) of the war waged against gossip.

    What I’m getting at is, the telos of our autistic genes, is to see the circuitry of virtue signaling thoroughly strangled — or at least put in a straitjacket.

    Wagner Reply:

    I don’t think it’s untranscendably “human”. There are exceptional men, like St. Francis of Assisi and other ascetics, who roved around countrysides picking berries in rags and in states of quasi-ecstasy. Of course most people like this today are known as bums and rightly so, but I’m saying that it’s possible to live close with God and not be absorbed into the industrial machinery of our crapitalistic society that admin chortles like a wee babe at the thought of intensifying. And not to gossip about gossip but you’re right, gossip is probably the one thing that on a daily basis makes me contemplate suicide. Hahaha not to be melodramatic but you probably feel it too assuming you aren’t so acclimated to it that it’s only subconsciously sensed. I feel it mostly in my belly, when someone starts talking about ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING there must be some kind of chemical reaction in my stomach that is the emotion of rot and death… And what you say reminds me of Heidegger whose philosophy like the above-stated gents’ is in a way centered around this idea of anti-gossip. For him it is a way das Man (The They) distracts itself from the fact that it’s going to die “someday”–or more precisely, gossip is a distraction from the fact that one ought to be carrying out meaningful projects *before* one dies.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I’m watching a TV show ’bout gossip now : ‘13 reasons why’ (Netflix, 2017). First show is great, the rest depends on taste. Probably gets a bit too teenagy after that.

    It had the line » The Internet ruined everything » in it, the same time I was watching it as—who was it, wu-wei posted it as a comment here. I’m not gonna iron out this syntax.

    Überstition.

    Wagner Reply:

    “I’m not gonna iron out this syntax.”
    Cool diction, dude.

    “Überstition”
    And nice neologism.

    Sorry for this noxious display of consumerist preference but the ONLY good show on netboogerflix is Peaky Blinders.

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  • Dark Reformation101 Says:

    I suppose Badiou is getting on a bit. If he was twenty years younger, then, in twenty years hence, he would be a convert to Islam.

    After all, what is Tawhid, if not oneness?

    What is Islam but the idea of ONE World under ONE God, regulated by one CALIPH?

    However, we should not read Badiou in this FORMAL way.

    He is not an “ethnomasochist” but a classsadist. That is, to prevent and punish the “little le Pens” he supports immigration as way of degrading, destroying and defeating these people.

    One can always bribe one half of the poor to kill the other half. So as France is ripped apart and divided, people like Badiou will be safe in their little armchairs, with their little glasses of wine, cluck cluck clucking.

    More problem, more jobs for bureaucrats and “scholars” like him.

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  • Erebus Says:

    There was a time when philosophers had to command attention with the truth of their ideas. They had to reveal things as they really are — or at least make an attempt to define reality.

    In our modern era, we have the likes of Badiou. That men such as him are taken seriously is the single greatest failure of the intellectual establishment. His “philosophical” and political screeds read as though they were composed by a descendant of one of Poe’s madmen. A wiser society would have confined this demented scribbler to an asylum long ago. It would be a mercy, as it would allow him ample time to think through the consequences of his insane prescriptions for society.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    “This doesn’t make any sense, it just looks like you’re advocating for suicide”

    “No comrade; that is the contradiction!”

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    spandrell Reply:

    That time was, if anything, the short time frame between Descartes and Hegel, when the signaling game was beating the Catholic church by using the obviously useful tools of rationality and measuring. Anything before and after was transparent bullshit, pushed by the intellectual authorities of the time to increase their power. I’d include Islamic and Chinese philosophy there.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Man I love French women but it would probably be for the best if France became a garbage disposal program. That way their hyper-equalist genes won’t leech into other European subspecies. We can only hope that one day in the distant future we will look back at communists like Badiou and dismiss them as Neo-Scholasticists, squandering their high IQs kissing the feet of the naive Christ-myth.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Ha! @urbanomic retweeted something with the word “Patchwoke” in it. That’s a good’n. Still, I think Hatchtwerk is woaker. There will be too many patches ruled and populated by Miley Ciruses (Circeses) PANEM ET CIRCES. It’s a waste of resources; the 3rd eyes of Hyperboreans are squeegeed clean enough to see this, Brits’ are too jaundiced by centuries of sin. Crypto-totalitarianism run by Philosopher-Kings is best bet, Land, you know you want to try it out for size.

    P. S. Guys did the Deep State “sic” Mikey?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Miley Cyrus is a parahyperborean

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    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    Less bread, more circuses; the ideal in a nutshell!

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    Wagner Reply:

    Wordplay on the Homeric Circe ackshually, whomst is very much akin to the Gladiatorial games–and not the peanut-elephant, motorcycle-bear connotation “circuses” generally evokes (few know this). Oh and on the Mikey Question, hereafter MQ, I wonder if Little Artxell is busying his time teaching him the ancient Indo-magic of tantric sex. Mikey is this trve? Am I #woke to the MQ?

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Rudolf Steiner was talking about France’s decline in the 1920s

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  • Phil Sandifer Says:

    I mean, I suggested in my book that white culture no longer counts as human culture according to the Turing Test and that our one salvation was not the right to exit but the right to be invaded, so I feel like I can say “yes” to that.

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  • Son_of_Olorus Says:

    @
    Salvation after all was supposed to come after the apocalypse not before.

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Urbanomics really should be swallowed by Carcosa. Pozzed.

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  • 1488 (YEE HAW) Says:

    He probably wrote this in response to your article. It had him pissy and he decided to cook up the most hair brained insane crock of lunacy he was capable of. You drove him to this.

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  • ok Says:

    After reading it I have some thoughts. It seems like this is a more basic “philosophical” question than is suggested. It’s the question of the “one” versus the “multiple.” It’s a paradoxical question, because the one always folds into the multiple, and visa versa. I think Deleuze handles this more intelligently because he transcends the dichotomy between “One France” and “One World” which Badiou is stumbling along. This is a very shallow analysis on his part, to be honest. I don’t even find it to be radical. In fact, he is the one still seeing things through the interpretive frame of “FRANCE” – the French struggle, the French way, and so on. Patchwork is far more “creative” in terms of identity. One can choose along the paradoxical line of one/multiple without having a Badiou “fascistically” telling them what to do. In this way, identity forms itself from a standpoint of liberty. Sure, it’s not perfect as far as I can tell, but the idea in and of itself strikes me as more interesting than simply “force everyone to live the way Badiou wants them to live.”

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    » Wisdom is the remnant of being aware (being conscious). »
    —Aniekee Tochukwu Ezekiel

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    In the near future electrons and light flow freely

    —‘» A study published in the British Medical Journal found that tree tree essential oil is “a powerful disinfectant and is non-poisonous and gentle” to the body. Amazingly in 1923, Dr. A.R. Penfold found that tea tree oil was twelve times more effective at healing infections than the conventional antiseptic (carbolic acid) at that time. Therefore during the 1930s and 1940s, tea tree oil became widely known as the go-to antiseptic for Australian World War II soldiers who were given tea tree oil in their first aid kits. »

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  • Daniel Chieh Says:

    Badiou sounds like a wounded ideologue, licking his wounds to infection.

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  • An Fomoire Says:

    I recently read something interesting.

    “You have no history, no scores to settle. You belong to no faction … We have reached the point where ignorance and neglect are the best we can hope for in a ruler.”

    Reminds me superficially of Fnargl. But, it also calls to memory insular elites. Is the snobbery and classism or casteism of the elites more than a defence of moral sensibilities? The Chinese treated their Emperor as a living god; the pinnacle of a notion of “impermeable elite”. Their empire survived for thousands of years, minor setbacks notwithstanding. Why would a god meddle in the affairs of mere humans? Western society gets this wrong. In doing away with pomp and grandeur, you humanize yourself, but in the wrong ways. Humans are fallible. The ambitious man cannot envy the one he believes to be a deity. He cannot resent the one he is not even permitted to see. Thus, with the degradation of our elites, we no longer believe, we merely feel. And feelings are fleeting, shattered when our hearts waver.

    Seth Largo mentioned something in a reply:

    “Impermeability of the elite as a byproduct of elite overproduction. Discuss.”

    Elite overproduction separates the upper classes, into the gilted and the jilted, the natural elites and the noveau riche. Memetically sensing an attack on their noble values or virtues1, the naturals close ranks, and ostracise any noble foolish or greedy enough to associate with their invaders. On the jilted side, their hunger for authority, and gold to buy that authority, causes them to loathe their subordinates, and suspect them as desirous of their status. They jealously guard their positions as a drowning man guards his ringbuoy.

    The true elites, the elites’ elites2, should be more than impermeable, they should be unreachable and unknowable. But, the vices of humanity are tempting to us all, even living gods. I’m not one for butchery3, but perhaps the Emperors were right to abuse and permanently discard their human toys. A Pharoah slaves died with him, dispelling evidence of their humanity.

    1. There is little difference among the old blood.
    2. If you’ll permit such clumsiness.
    3. Though, if you’ve seen Raw, it has, at least temporarily, quelled my distaste for the savage and sanguine. I’ve been eating my meat bloody.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    At the apex where moral sensibilities and nihilism nec plus ultra meet, there is the elite.

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  • An Fomoire Says:

    A technical question, Admin. What html codes work here? appears not to, but is there an exhaustive list of the ones that work?

    I suppose I could make it my own little summer project. Heh.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    Just dropping this in here:

    “If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization. This is a painful truth; few of us want to go that far. … The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al., don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself.”

    The white race is the cancer of human history – Susan Sontag

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This MTG card has it right, just imagine the zombie used to be a white human.

    http://magiccards.info/scans/en/us/168.jpg

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This is just an extreme correlative of the myth of the noble savage.

    However, the reality is different than Leftist pseudo-history.

    » Crushed leg bones, battered skulls and other mutilated human remains are likely all that’s left of a Native American population destroyed by genocide that took place circa 800 A.D., suggests a new study.
    The paper, accepted for publication in the Journal of Anthropological Archaeology, describes the single largest deposit to date of mutilated and processed human remains in the American Southwest.
    The entire assemblage comprises 14,882 human skeletal fragments, as well as the mutilated remains of dogs and other animals killed at the massacre site — Sacred Ridge, southwest of Durango, Colo.
    Based on the archaeological findings, which include two-headed axes that tested positive for human blood, co-authors Jason Chuipka and James Potter believe the genocide occurred as a result of conflict between different Anasazi Ancestral Puebloan ethnic groups.

    “It was entirely an inside job,” Chuipka, an archaeologist with Woods Canyon Archaeological Consultants, told Discovery News. »

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#Pre.E2.80.93World_War_I

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    “It is difficult not to write satire.” – Juvenal

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  • John Hannon Says:

    ‘The foreigners will teach us ..”

    – that their societies are so dysfunctional that they will risk everything to come here to escape from their fellow foreigners.
    We must be doing something right (or at least better than them).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ChMPV0LTg

    (couldn’t resist – just seen a bostin Zep tribute band down my local)

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    Wagner Reply:

    What is increasingly bizarre to me is that even needs to be stated: “‘The foreigners will teach us ..”

    – that their societies are so dysfunctional that they will risk everything to come here to escape from their fellow foreigners.
    We must be doing something right (or at least better than them).”

    Teh Brainwash is deeply embedded. I like how Jimbo put it on his blog the other day:

    “I am a Marxist you are a Marxist, we are all Marxists now. Just some of us are consciously aware of it. Marxism is part of everyone’s thinking and frame, and you have to make a conscious effort to reject it.”

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    A 21st century Valladolid debate for Afro-Asiatics?

    Take from this what you will, from Baudrillard’s The Melodrama of Difference:

    “As a sovereign people the Alakaluf called themselves “Men”. Then the Whites applied to them the name that they had originally applied to the Whites: “Foreigners”. They eventually came to refer to themselves as “for­eigners” in their own language. In later times they called themselves “Alakaluf” – the only word that they still pronounced in front of Whites, meaning “Give, give”. They thus ended up with a designation connoting the mendacity to which they had been reduced. First, then, they were themselves, then strangers to themselves, and finally absent from themselves: three names reflecting three stages of their extermination. Naturally their murder is to be attributed to those who possess the universalizing vision, those who manipu­late otherness for their own profit. In their singularity, which could not even conceive of the Other, the Alakaluf were inevitably vanquished. But who can say that the elimination of this singularity will not turn out, in the long run, to be fatal for the Whites too? Who can say that radical foreignness will not have its revenge – that, though effectively conjured away by colonial humanism, it will not return in the form of a virus in the bloodstream of the Whites, dooming them to disappear themselves one day in much the same way as the Alakaluf.”

    This leads us from Badiou’s merely appellative ‘foreigners’ to the conceptualization of ‘foreigners’ as a point in the processural annihilation of otherness that is immanent to the ‘humanist logic of difference’.

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  • smg Says:

    I hate foreigners – the more foreign the more hate.
    They smell weird & talk funny.
    Go away!

    (this is not irony poasting)

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  • smg Says:

    Suggestion:

    The determinate in all foreign policy issues should be how weird the foreigners smell.
    Less weird=friendly relations
    Stanky=hostile relations

    Anglos=not really too smelly (should brush their teeth more tho)
    Euros=a little bit weird but can use perfume (too much cheese)
    Eastern Euros & Russia=borscht (enough said)
    Asians=various versions of fish & pickled vegetables (can tolerate)
    Arabs =sweaty camel ass & wife beating (Yikes)
    Indians (dot)= shit & curry (flesh eating diseases)
    Africans=rape & murder (get a gun)

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Does rape and murder have a smell now?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    http://www.google.is/search?q=watchmen+first+page

    » We Are Watchmen is a movement that uses music and message to counter the essence of secular humanism in the rising generation and awaken the American churches to Christian civic duty before America goes the way of Rome. Just as many churches in Germany sang louder on Sunday mornings to drown out the sounds of wailing Jews in boxcars on the way to the concentration camps, the majority of pulpits and pews in the American churches have been willfully ignoring the stench of blatant evil rising in this once godly nation. »

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    Wagner Reply:

    Dan you smell like SOY (sauce). I can smell it from here, woowee. What a little stinker. smd is right that smells matter – this is a mystical insight. The negro in specific betrays the baseness of his soul with his rancid scent.

    “What is it exactly that I find so totally unbearable? Something which I cannot deal with on my own, which makes me choke and feel faint? Bad air! Bad air! It’s when something which has failed comes close to me, when I have to smell the entrails of a failed soul!” (from the Genealogy)

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    You know, the Germans actually got along the best with the Chinese of all of the European nations. My first girlfriend was German, and there’s something about the culture of practicality that allowed the two cultures to communicate remarkably well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_1926%E2%80%931941

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    —» the 13th century the Mongol armies under Genghis Khan were genocidal killers [18] who were known to eradicate whole nations.[19] He ordered the extermination of the Tata Mongols, and all Kankalis males in Bukhara “taller than a wheel”[20] using a technique called measuring against the linchpin. In the end, half of the Mongol tribes were exterminated by Genghis Khan.[21] Rosanne Klass referred to the Mongols’ rule of Afghanistan as “genocide”.[22] »

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  • Seth Largo Says:

    The libertardians at GMU want mass immigration because they think it will break the welfare state. Leftists like Badiou want mass immigration because they think it will hasten utopia. Dusky foreigners are a blank slate upon which the white man writes his destiny.

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  • Seth Largo Says:

    He offers a convoluted, almost inverted version of the NRx thesis that leftism is a fascism factory.

    In the face of Sarkozy or Blair, Hollande and de Valls, who want immediate integration by means of expulsion and persecution, we will have young islamists ready to martyr themselves for the purity of their faith. And this will gradually transform our societies into repressive police states. This leads to fascism, which is nothing other than a capitalist politics enslaved, through policing, to a crude national phantasm.

    For Badiou, Blair is a rightist who demands the immigrant abandon his old identity in order to integrate with the new Western one, thereby creating a jihadist reaction among the immigrants, which leads to a counter-reaction in the form of fascist police state policies.

    Partially correct. But, of course, Blair isn’t a rightist. He’s a center-left “muh democracy and human rights” globalist, much closer in spirit to Badiou than to anyone around here. After all, they’re both big fans of inviting foreign peasants to resettle in the West in large numbers, albeit for different reasons. They both think that jihadi reaction in the West is a bug that can be engineered out of existence, either through neoliberal economics or whatever bizarre-o policies would facilitate the emergence of Badiou’s “creative identities.”

    Of course, Badiou aint gonna get any politicians to enact his bizarre-o policies, and he damn well knows it, which makes his “let in all the peasants anyway” stance a de facto endorsement of jihadi reaction, even on his own terms.

    Meanwhile, we crazy racists are shouted down for suggesting that, hey, maybe the foreign peasants aren’t our subjects to be engineered according to Western systems (neoliberal or Marxist). Maybe they have their own agency and agenda and we should take those into consideration when talking about immigration policy.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Of course, now that I re-read our host’s earlier essay, I remember he’s already put Badiou’s stance better than I could:

    it’s fascization that islamizes, not Islam that fascizes’

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    kim carsons Reply:

    Small Perspectival thinking wouldnt go astray. Badiou’s is a neo-platonist communist. Which put him at polar opposites from Blair. His position on the sans papier question isn’t out of some pay for play political motivation but from a model universal emancipation. Which probably puts you and Blair close to each other than you might be prepared to admit. Blair is (centre) right. When Thatcher was asked what was your biggest political success, she replied “New Labour” The whole political axis has lilted right as has been since the 70’s. Blair under the watchful eye Of Rupert Murdoch sent the U.K to war which began the acceleration of the refuge crisis in the middle east.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    blah blah blah blah

    Badiou and Blair, as a prescriptive matter, support open borders and mass immigration. One thinks all humans are brothers, the other thinks all humans are interchangeable consumers. The finer philosophical differences between their motives are irrelevant; the motives lead to the same place.

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  • John Hannon Says:

    @ Frank
    “Drivel” or not, that “brotherhood of humanity” hit is undeniably powerful, in particular when induced chemically (I find psilocybin + N2O to be exemplary in this regard). In fact once that unitive vision has been experienced full-blown it never entirely leaves you. Here, for example, is a typical account of a chemically induced unity experience by a former Baptist minister named John Willmin –

    “Then it happened. I knew I knew everything. I knew all the answers, because I had gone beyond the questions. The questions, reason, logic, were all irrelevant – I had gone beyond them. I knew this with absolute and utter conviction. Nothing mattered except AWARENESS. i knew intuitively that I had gone beyond all normal experience. I had transcended the dichotomies of good and evil, of material and immaterial, of past, present and future … There were no more opposites. i was at a point beyond them all. I knew too that all things were One – and I was part of all things, and all things were part of me. Everything just IS. It was obvious – it was satisfying to the nth degree.
    That is all I can say about it. The main characteristics were – (a) Utter certainty (b) Timelessness (c) Unity (d) ‘Obviousness’ (e) Realization that this was the Ultimate – that I had gone beyond everything else conceivable.”

    He describes the long-term effects of the experience as follows –

    “The realization that IT is there. This has given a ‘back-cloth’ to life. Whether it happens again or not doesn’t matter – it’s there – nothing can change that.
    Sometimes I am more aware of it than at others … I am deeply grateful for it – it was the highlight of my life. It happened about 16 years ago, and it is still intensely real. I don’t argue it or try to explain it – arguments and explanations are irrelevant.”

    The enduring power of drivel.
    Impervious to rational argument, it won’t be going away anytime soon.

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    An Fomoire Reply:

    I had an acquaintance that raved for 6 months about how we were all the same because, chemically, we are all made of carbon born in a supernova. Wouldn’t shut up about it, and though everyone in the country should hear his tale. Wasn’t so frenetic about it coming off the mania, but he still believed it.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Sounds like he would have enjoyed this –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyo1TsUlK-Y

    We are stardust
    We are billion year old carbon
    We just got caught up in a devil’s bargain
    And we’ve got to get ourselves back
    Back to the garden
    To some semblance of a garden

    – Joni Mitchell, Woodstock

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    Wagner Reply:

    Yep John Hannon is right. That’s a real cowboy name now that I think about it: John Hannon, roundin’ up rascals, sometimes scoundrels. This debate is one of the eternal rehashes of the One vs. the Many. The Right denies the existence of the One, and, I don’t mean this in a condescending way, it is quite sad, and weak.

    Seth Largo Reply:

    I’ve always found the brotherhood of man stuff nothing but sentimental garbage, even when I was younger and mistook my California social liberalism for “leftism” more generally.

    I’m sure it’s a heritable trait. Nothing we can do. We just need to move the ones who get off on it as far away from the levers of power as possible.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    “I’m sure it’s a heritable trait.”

    Well I certainly didn’t inherit any susceptibility to brotherhood of humanity sentiment from my dad – he was a full-on racist BNP supporter, as is my brother. No, I blame the drugs. What began as mere hedonistic fun and mind games eventually took a turn for the mystic. A perusal of the multitude of mystic experiences reported in the Vaults of Erowid should give an idea of what I’m talking about here –

    https://erowid.org/experiences/exp_front.shtml

    Again and again the unitive Oneness experience is reported, from which big picture perspective all our fretting and fussing about racial difference is simply laughable.
    But then, in the words of William James – “As sobriety returns, the feeling of insight fades, and one is left staring vacantly at a few disjointed words and phrases, as one stares at a cadaverous-looking snow peak from which the sunset glow has just fled, or at the black cinder left by an extinguished brand.”

    BTW, relating to your “levers of power” remark, in “Storming Heaven” Jay Stevens writes of how Tim Leary was responsible for rendering the cream of 60s youth apolitical –

    “While the best and the brightest were grooving on the cosmic, the second-rate and the venal were appropriating the traditional slots of power.
    One couldn’t, for example, after a serious immersion in LSD, go back to the 9 to 5 world of sales managers and upward mobility. Better to work for yourself, doing something simple and useful, which was why so many hippies became entrepreneurs, farmers, craftspeople. For most, the psychedelic experience dealt a serious blow to their desire for power, and all those buttresses to the power urge that go by the name ambition. Suddenly they had nothing to motivate them, particularly when they backed away from the rigors of the ancient pursuit of Mammon. They lacked an alternative structure.”

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-rfBsWmo0M

    John Hannon Reply:

    Apologies for the Erowid link. Not having visited the vaults for many years, I’d completely forgotten just how tedious the reports are. It’s enough to give tripping a bad name.

    Wagner Reply:

    I’m reading True Hallucinations by McKenna right now. It’s alright, better than erowid in any case. Ernst Jünger, in his book “Approaches: Drugs and Ecstatic Intoxication” shares what he jotted down in a notebook four hours in to an acid trip:

    “… I have always known that the eye is a knot of a tree.”

    and a little later:

    “This is not drunkenness: it cannot be compared, by any means, with alcohol—they are completely different languages. In narcosis we sink: until the water closes over us. Here, however, we ascend: the sky opens up like a flower.”

    And when he was tripping on mescaline with a modern-day shaman in 1950:

    “We insisted on taking a third, stronger dose; the doctor thought this was reasonable… After generating an extraordinary momentum, gravity is overcome along with sound… It is likely that such a point is to be found where time and eternity are contiguous.”

    “why not a fourth dose”

    “why not a fifth”

    xD

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No worries.

    Erowid is already an Internet staple. Something that alternate minds come upon in their early Internet years of seeking out what were once more alien subjects (drugs have become even more, far more, commonplace in culture compared to when I was a kid in the 00’s! You can’t turn on the radio without hearing of ‘Molly’).

    Your linking of it considering the rest of your message was appropriate.

    It’s true. We’re all one. It doesn’t necessarily only mean some sentimentalist notion of ‘brotherhood’. But it does help with intelligence.

    Intelligence is not only knowing difference but also knowing sameness.

    It’s about as stupid not to recognise sameness as not to recognise difference. I mean in a utilitarian way. Not in a sentimental way. But an objective way. If you can’t recognise the functional sameness of given tools, you will not know when you can use them as a replacement for another tool that is broken, e.g. It’s the opera of misjudgment to overestimate difference, as much as it is to overestimate sameness or underestimate it. Prejudice ain’t helpful. Sagacious judgment is. To add to the geekiness here, If one were to take an example from scifi lore, it would be humans saying about the xenomorph ‘oh it’s just some bug!’ and then this underestimation adding to their probability of eventual fatality. An underestimation of sameness would be underestimating the intelligence of the xenomorph ‘it’s just some bug’ thinking its spatioterritorial intelligence isn’t as relatively high in sameness to humans as it is.

    Of course, these are fantastic examples, but real world history is littered with egregious ones. Some given civilization about barbarians ‘oh they aren’t the same as us, they’ll never run us over.’ Gives you an idea of the concept « barbaric purity » (which isn’t the same as indigenousness). Let’s say it’s a purity of adaptiveness. High adaptive rate. The alien becomes you before you know it.

    (If it has this high appropriation faculty).

    As racist as I am I still recognise that me and niggers have a mutual essence. Niggers chose to adopt western culture to a high degree, clothes, etc, so they aspire to the same transmonkey peak. Heck, there’s a lot of nigger transhumanists like the guy from Black Eyed Peas.

    So bring on da ruckus, brotha.

    John Hannon Reply:

    One more quote from “Storming Heaven” (here Stevens is talking about MK-ULTRA) –

    “Within the CIA itself, Gottlieb and his associates were taking LSD regularly, tripping at the office, at Agency parties, measuring their mental equilibrium against that of their colleagues. Turn your back in the morning and some wiseacre would slip a few micrograms into your coffee. … and sometimes embarrassing things happened. Case-hardened spooks would break down crying or go all gooey about the ‘brotherhood of man.'”

    An antidote is to go meta on the meta – de-condition the de-conditioning (though that’s always easier said then done}.

    @ Erikson
    Re. sameness/difference – the distinction between Oneness and Not-twoness (advaita) is relevant here. As Andrew Harvey says –

    “Advaita is not monism. Advaita means ‘not-two.’ We and the universe are not ‘one’ – then all distinctions would be destroyed. We are ‘not-two,’ intricately interrelated with everything, both separate, unique, AND united.”

    First there is a nigga
    Then there is no nigga
    Then there is.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    http://imgur.com/a/wz3Q9

    This is the id Google assigned. Can you believe it?

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