Moron bites (#6)

The XS patented ‘not-getting-it’ meter just exploded:

“NRx” is shorthand for “neoreactionary,” a person who subscribes to the neoreaction, or “Dark Enlightenment,” movement. This school is far from unified, but subscribes to a loose collection of far-right ideologies: a rejection of “political correctness,” a yearning for religious and political authoritarianism, a return to medieval gender roles, and the open practice of white supremacy. […] 8chan, a message board that rose to prominence after some users dismissed 4chan as too censoring, loves NRx. Many 8channers subscribe to the NRx theory that the world is on the verge of a massive societal collapse, one that should be actively encouraged. The end game for these users is race war, revolution, and the installation of a leader like Donald Trump, whose picture appears at the bottom of every 8chan thread.

(Weirdly, the internal link goes to one of the outside analyses least conducive to this delirious incomprehension. Where are the Mouthbreathing Machiavellis when they’d really fit in?)

You’ll need to browse through the comment thread to understand this:

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  • KingOfWrong Says:

    Somebody tell them that by “8channers” they mean “/pol/acks” specifically, and that 90% of them hate NRx for being “Jewish” and/or “autistic”. The biggest NRx board /aristoi/ is (pretty small first of all and) dedicated to mocking NRx (it’s pretty funny!) and was probably made by MyPostingCareer posters who are staunch Hitler-biased white nationalists.

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    admin Reply:

    Those are the kind of perceptions a sane person might have.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    They could have approached it etymologically. Reaction = people who think modernity was a wrong term. Neoreaction = new movement toward the same. Instead we got the Hollywood version where Neoreaction is Anonymous plus the Klan (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

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    Quint Essential Reply:

    I’d pay loads to see that movie. Can We abandon the pointy hats and take up our Fawkes & Scream masks or Clone helmets instead?

    Though I suppose the pointy hoods have the phallic symbolism covered too..

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  • Izak Says:

    Why, it’s almost as if The Daily Beast isn’t the most reputable source of journalism!

    But hey, did you read their brave and courageous muckraking exposee on Jack Donovan’s manly pagan white power gang?

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  • Orthodox Says:

    The Daily Beast should be renamed Moron Bites.

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  • Paul Warkin Says:

    “They purport to highlight racial double-standards, asking why white students should not be allowed to organize the way minority students do. The answer is relatively straightforward (American universities are often majority white, with curricula and administrative systems that privilege white students), but 8channers are counting on some students to fall for their rhetoric.”

    You can start thinking about your ethnic interests AFTER you’ve become a minority. No, no, you have to be a minority EVERYWHERE, and then we’ll let you form clubs, we promise.

    And then this ignorant hateful journalist put a “[sic]” after “ostracised”!

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  • AugustusPugin Says:

    These people are not true NRx. NRx is a peaceful, passivist movement to install absolute monarchy. They are just a tiny minority making us look bad who believe a hateful corrupted creed that has nothing to do with the true teachings of UR. #NotAllNRx

    Also, why can’t they just come up with their own memes. Do they really think that the societal distaste for WN will not eventually be transferred to ‘NRx’ if they do simply the exact same thing, only with a new name? How stupid do they think the media is? I generally like these trolls too, it’s they just have no idea about neoreaction whatsoever and don’t seem to care either. They’re Vaisya, and the NRx strategy has always been to convert Brahmins by out-competing them in the intellectual meme signaling arena. No Brahmin is ever going to be impressed by a Vaisya.

    I also don’t think there’s much to be gained from constantly tangling with WNs or with trying to create any kind of HRx controlled opposition. Maybe just keep reinforcing that NRx = Moldbug + Neocameralism/Formalism/Patchwork over and over.

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    Izak Reply:

    How are you assuming that their hidden motive is to make themselves look more attractive and shake off the bad connotations of white nationalism?

    You’re overthinking this. They think the word “neoreaction” sounds cool, and they think “NRx” is a cool-looking abbreviation (it sorta recalls the way punk bands use lower-case Xs as dots when they acronymize their names), so they use both things. They couldn’t care less about the actual deep thoughts that all the smarty pantses in NRx do. Their motives are not complicated at all. Very transparent.

    But hey, don’t let me stop you guys from getting worked up. Watching Nick Land go into a conniption fit about this stuff is pretty amusing, I gotta say. The whole situation is like if I designed a logo that has a hot chick with big boobs cutting wood with a big chainsaw or something, and the logo is meant to represent a really deep concept about ontology and time, and then I get mad because a bunch of greasy metalheads start wearing shirts of it.

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    Pics or the logo didn’t happen.

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    a Reply:

    /pol/ is blissfully disinterested in NRx. They don’t recognize and reject the tenets – they just don’t care. There is a lot of cross-pollination in perspective, but you have to understand the conversation is filtered through layers of irony and in-jokes and ruled by a highly intense memeplex. /pol/’s general taste for red pill conspiracy, for example, is a very long running joke that stretches far back and has experienced many permutations – complicated by the easy of misinterpretation (due to high user turnover, transient system) that can and often becomes codified into new evolutions of the meme – its expression can’t be taken as any sincere indication of a user’s political orientation.

    It simply can’t be interpreted in the same way as the other lowbrow factions loosely grouped in the reactosphere. The imageboard framework isn’t at all as straightforward as BBS, blogs, mailinglists or reddit in terms of interpreting user beliefs and motivations.

    And this follows the classic formula of a raid: primarily looking to stir up trouble, justified first by “lulz” and only second by the choice of a target representing an antithesis of the board culture, and as always, they attempt to bring in any firepower they can enlist. That’s all NRx meant to the one or two posters who knew it. In other words, it’s unremarkable. 8chan didn’t have much involvement anyway, it was a lazy capitalization on someone else’s project. They just appreciated it and amplified and as far as I saw, there was little enthusiasm. Big surprise, the journalist concocted her story.

    And the Trump banner’s a definite joke by the site admin.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    /pol/ can be though of as the Diogenes of Sinope to NRx’s Plato (or maybe Aristotle).

    /pol/ is what happens when an entire generation spends its first 20-something years being lied to by the media, only to receive a rude awakening on every front (academic, economic, political, sexual) simultaneously. As intellectuals and their tenets are what gave us Cultural Marxism in the first place, the consequence is that “teh lulz” becomes the only trustworthy basis for engagement. For the disillusioned /pol/ack, any form of sincere political activism that takes its ideology seriously bears at least a family resemblance to glassy-eyed Chomskyite, Red Guard and soixantehuitard zombies. Once bitten, twice shy.

    There’s definitely some merit to the structural construal you’ve given in terms of the unique dynamics of imageboards, their decenteredness, intrinsic irony and emphasis on pranks rather than debate, but the particular memeplexes that do evolve in 8chan and elsewhere are grounded in the experienced of a highly alienated generation of (predominantly) white males. The memeplex doesn’t depend crucially on any particular unified subject, but that doesn’t mean it’s simply a discourse without a subject constituted by pervasive misinterpretation. It’s a product of highly similar subjects interacting on the basis of a shared culture (ie explicit rejection of limp-wristed SJW organic food redditor culture, and rejection of policies that turn you into Sweden).

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    @AugustusPugin,

    “NRx is a peaceful, passivist movement to install absolute monarchy.”

    Dude that is the most brilliant Troll ever. Bravo.

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    et.cetera Reply:

    “the NRx strategy has always been to convert Brahmins by out-competing them in the intellectual meme signaling arena”

    Really? That’s funny.

    I can’t say I am awfully familiar with you lot, but from what I could notice in during this past year or so, neoreaction almost entirely consists of very much ado about noting — except yours is a latching on to a forbidden truth instead of a fringe falsehood; still closer to run-on-the-mill gossipy contrarianism than an intellectual powerhouse, regardless, because other than ‘HBD’, your corpus reads like postmodernist gibberish.

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    et.cetera Reply:

    “postmodernist gibberish” <– Or maybe that's the "signalling" in the "intellectual meme signalling". When it comes to games in this arena, it's more important to appear highbrow than to not spew nonsense, after all.

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    michael Reply:

    postmodernist giggerish- thats a thought crime pal.

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  • a.morphous Says:

    As an outside observer of NRx for many years, that description seems pretty accurate to me.

    – a rejection of “political correctness,” Check

    – a yearning for religious and political authoritarianism. Check

    – a return to medieval gender roles, (OK maybe not in Moldbug’s version, but certainly that sort of thing is a big part of new right thought)

    – and the open practice of white supremacy. (Moldbug wrote a long piece about not being a white nationalist while spouting levels of racism that would appall normal people).

    Seems like they got the manifestations of NRx pretty well, maybe they left out some ineffable intellectual essence to justify it all.

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    michael Reply:

    Rejection of pc isnt a philosophical tenet its a sign of sanity.

    Religious authoritarianism is what we are pointing at see above.

    Political authoritarianism is what we predict democracy; begets facism, However one of the proposed tongue in cheek solutions is monarchy, there are other more serious contenders but the answer remains very open, even if the problem seems to defy easy solution.

    HBD is not medieval gender roles its simply the recognition of sexual dimorphism free of political consideration. Its recognition of the challenges of social design is highly developed, sexually reproductive species under sever competition.

    HBD is not white supremacy at worst one of its findings would be an unsurprising acknowledgement that “whites” are best adapted for the environment they designed, or they evolved for.When you are truly willing to have crispr remove your white genes and have them replace with hutu get in touch in the meantime stop posing its not manly.

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  • Grotesque Body Says:

    NRx = Kuomintang, /pol/ = CCP.

    I can predict how this is going to end.

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  • Harold Says:

    At least they didn’t lump NRx in with the “men’s rights” movement. I confess to being slighlty annoyed when they claim “men’s rights” to be a component of right wing movements incompatible with such.

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    jay Reply:

    They are linked through association with the androsphere.

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  • 4candles Says:

    Rabbit holes. NRx used to be good at rabbit holes (Moldbug; Foseti; admin). And, as a consequence, effective Cathedral criticism, not just reactive outrage to Cathedral MSM. The problem with focusing on “NRx = Moldbug + Neocameralism/Formalism/Patchwork over and over” (without fully disagreeing with Mr Augustus, above) is stagnation. In this sense NRx hasn’t done anything developmentally since 2013 at least. No wonder the 8chan guys start taking over.

    How do you stop the guys in the hull trying to steer the ship? Well, demonstrating some competence in using the freaking wheel might be a good place to start.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “How do you stop the guys in the hull trying to steer the ship?”

    Cryptolocked oars.

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    michael Reply:

    dats funny

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  • Bob Says:

    They could have approached it etymologically. Reaction = people who think modernity was a wrong term. Neoreaction = new movement toward the same. Instead we got the Hollywood version where Neoreaction is Anonymous plus the Klan (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

    That’s not an accurate definition since neoreaction obviously doesn’t reject modernity. All the various flavors of neoreaction idealize and seek to resurrect some version of modernity and the modern regime – fascist, classical liberal, postwar American Keynesian-Industrial state, etc.

    If we can call it a movement, neoreaction is a postmodern one, which is why it’s pluralistic and has nihilistic, subjectivist, relativistic tendencies and is associated with internet trolling and LARPing.

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    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    I thought the theonomists in NRX rejected modernity?

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    Bob Reply:

    Do you think the self-professed Christians or pagans in NRX really believe in Odin, Jesus, or Eternal Life like their forefathers did? Do you think they believe like Evangelicals, Christian Dominionists, or Salafists do? Can they even begin to believe like these groups do or like their forefathers did? These groups don’t even accept modern ideas like Darwinism, which to them is a preposterous joke at best and an offense against God and a scourge to be eliminated. Whereas Darwinism is a major part of the worldview of theonomists and others in NRX.

    The theonomists reflect the pastiche of old dead styles that are adopted out of postmodern nostalgia.

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    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Theonomy just means ‘God’s Law’. For most in the Reactosphere, it means the imposition of civil code based on moral teachings of a religion which can then not be questioned as the basis for law, since they stem from further up the hierarchy. It has always been the Reactionary position going back to the French Revolution that laws governing our moral relationships stem from religion rather than human reason, as was the case for the vast majority of human history, evolution or otherwise.

    Mark Citadel Reply:

    And for the record, those of us who do declare a complete rejection of Modernity and a commitment to zealotry for a particular Traditional religion are not faking it. In fact the very word ‘reaction’ can’t really be used at all without necessitating the rejection of Modernity. This is its origin.

    Quint Essential Reply:

    @Mark Citadel

    So, do you like say the Holy Rosary too?

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  • RJL Says:

    Stop worrying about whether you’re being misrepresented, and just thank them for the free advertising.

    It’s almost as if soft left news media have never heard of the Streisand effect. But then again, I can’t imagine them having the self-control to avoid an outrage fix for the sake of wider strategic goals.

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  • John Hannon Says:

    Unless and until NRx lowers itself to propagandize effectively, its nuanced differentiation from lumpen racism will – for everyone outside of its elite, statistically insignificant internet bubble – forever remain imperceptible.

    If anyone doubts this, just try – as I have done – to describe NRx as best you can to random people you get talking to in pubs. bars or clubs who you think might be receptive to it.

    The HBD component is always the trickiest bit, and – even though I always mention JayMan – the take-away is inevitably along the lines of – “Oh, so they’re racist intellectuals / intellectual racists then?”

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    admin Reply:

    Reject the dogma of Human Neurological Universality, and the accusation of ‘racism’ is probably inescapable. That doesn’t imply White Nationalism, an appetite for race war, or revolutionary ambitions (still less ardent support for the Trump campaign).

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    michael Reply:

    Be too clear about how evolution works or what genetic science proves and youre certainly a racist. The distinction in a sane world would be between hate and HBD. But why are we accepting some leftists denouncing of Trump as a fascist he may be a lot of things but Mussolini is not one of them, They call everyone a fascist except the actual leftist fascists they supported.
    The problem i have is I think the “collapse” is a pipe dream,The Cathedral is never ever going to simply say oh the chinese shorted our bonds and hacked our missiles and so we are going to turn over the country to someone more competent and right wing because obviously every imiginable left wing system has failed and proved to be the problem.
    They will simply roll tanks on to the street and claim its for our protection and if you dont think so youre a racist. The only thing that stops that is not having demographic collapse of european americans. so anyone who might stop or slow that Demographic collapse is worth a shot. A race war is what is inevitable if the power shifts away from european americans which is accelerating at warp speed.
    And even if the collapse happened tomorrow DENRX has no play ready.

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  • Bob Says:

    The XS patented ‘not-getting-it’ meter just exploded:

    So you’re surprised that a postmodern internet based movement reduces to a hyperreality of references without specific referents?

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    You’re overdoing it now.

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  • Mark Citadel Says:

    I just find it hilarious they think Donald Trump is the endgame. That’s cute.

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  • Froude Society Says:

    From how I see it /pol/, TRS.biz, Disdain for Plebs fb page(among others), the far Right twitter; etc; are Fourth Generation Warfare foot soldiers doing our work for us. Of course they’re confused, misdirected, and actually think Trump is a cause for hope(trying arguing with them about this, it’s sad). Yet, they produce mass amounts of memes, convert their Brahmin friends, and generally stir up counter-revolutionary agitation while making it a solidified sub-culture. Once someone rejects progressivism they swap from enemy to friend, in 4GW every “redpilled” goober is an asset. Like it or not everything to the Right of National Review is in the same proverbial boat; heck, anything essentialist is ~Literally Hitler~, might as well try to steer us all round Cape Horn than throw the cabin boys overboard.

    It’s great that NRx is getting all the bad press while HRx is avoiding the limelight and snapping up all those who aren’t post-libertarians. I’m sure they’d love to dig into the HRx position on slavery if they could rub enough braincells to distinguish our two rival camps.

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  • Tryptophan Says:

    Quotes from above

    “If anyone doubts this, just try – as I have done – to describe NRx as best you can to random people you get talking to in pubs. bars or clubs who you think might be receptive to it.”

    “Seems like they got the manifestations of NRx pretty well, maybe they left out some ineffable intellectual essence to justify it all.”

    Our opponents define Nrx by the type of heresy we present, not by its actual intellectual content. Similarly, Catholics don’t really distinguish between communist atheists and Darwinian atheists, the fact that there is a significant difference is usually lost on them.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Yes, that’s undoubtedly true of outright leftist opponents, but the folk I’ve informally informed about NRx so far have either been politically agnostic or vaguely UKIP leaning. Ultimately the best I could do was to point them here.

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  • michael Says:

    @Bob
    Theres the rub with the religious triad They dont really believe, they believe we would be better off if we did, and that that religion is essential to civilization. while sympathetic it cant work anymore since science. and christianity is the blueprint for leftism it will always be pwnd

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Gnon is perfectly compatible with science.

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    michael Reply:

    lol its possible a new religion could be designed

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Reality has to be inflicted, not merely designed.

    admin Reply:

    … almost by definition. (The ‘almost’ only because the trustworthiness of scientific method might leave room for marginal quibbles.)

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  • George Strong Says:

    8chan WNs are more realistic than the spergy nerds here. This will only be settled by force and blood, not by converting the Cahtedral. Guns, lots of guns.

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    admin Reply:

    Yes, we know you guys think that. Keep saying you’re not us (loudly), and we’re fine.

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    Durtal Reply:

    Further evidence of NRx attracting MSM attention (albeit critical) can be found in the latest episode of the TV detective series ‘Elementary’. ‘Evidence of Things Not Seen’ (S04.02) contains a Moldbug/Anasimov-like character called Antonov, who is described as a ‘neo-reactionary feudalist’, who opposes democracy and advocates the establishment of a Tudor-style monarchy. His alibi for the murders under investigation is that at the relevant time he was giving a seminar on Carlyle. I was suprised that the episode wasn’t more mean-spirited in its criticism, and I must admit I chuckled at the fact that Antonov’s former girlfriend (and one of the murder victims) is called Sarkeesian!

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