They made an industry out of it, and set up the consumer as the widest possible audience, ensuring that cherry-picked data would be offered as a confirmation bias product as a result.
Like all things, egalitarianism has ruined science. Not just psychology, but science itself, which is too often dedicated to defending wrong results instead of finding correct ones.
I propose a redefinition of this as the “social psychology replication crisis”
the results of the big mass-replication studies that sparked the crisis are often reported as having found that only 1/3 “psychology” studies replicate, but that subdivides into 1/4 for social psychology and 1/2 for cognitive psych. 1/2 for cognitive isn’t bad, there are genetics labs doing worse than that.
I bet NRx would feel a little awkward and whistle innocently if HBD were justly tossed into the “archaic pseudoscience” wastebasket. Or, I guess, “when”, assuming paradigm shifts are inevitable. It’s always merely been priestcraft to me; if I’m seeking to redpill someone I point them to it because people believe Science is God nowadays. Direct subjective experience largely justifies my racism (a redneck version of Merleau-Ponty is going to come out of the woodwork one of these days mark my words)–granted science provides access to subterranean dimensions of the human animal that experience is blind to. Science also has its blindness:
“The objects of thought and perception as they appear to the individuals prior to all “subjective” interpretation have in common certain primary qualities, pertaining to these two layers of reality: (1) to the physical (natural) structure of matter, and (2) to the form which matter has acquired in the collective historical practice that has made it (matter) into objects for a subject. The two layers or aspects of objectivity (physical and historical) are interrelated in such a way that they cannot be insulated from each other; the historical aspect can never be eliminated so radically that only the “absolute” physical layer remains.“ – Herbert Marcuse
One could subscribe to HBD out of monkey-needs–Breaking News – HBD discovers that sordid racists subscribe to HBD to elaborately intellectualize and justify their monkey-needs…
Dick Wagner Reply: September 23rd, 2016 at 7:11 pm
As a post-meta-reverse-hyper Puritan it made me feel naughty to quote him. But also not at all as his statement was most apposite in this situation. Speaking of monkey-needs.. oo oo! out-group!
Admin literally linked to a pdf of Marx’s Capital on his other blog last week lol
Pseudo-chrysostom Reply: September 23rd, 2016 at 10:56 pm
Typical autist, so many words and formulas memorized, but the horsepower just isnt there. Can go no deeper into an issue beyond formal levels and thinks a russian reversal is a devastating critique.
Its not signalling thats a problem (which is always and everywhere going to happen to one degree or another anyways), but *what is being signaled*.
‘hurrhur sjws and rightwingers both have opinions about things and judge right from wrong based on them ttly the same hurhurr.’
ps mistrusting the outgroup is quite possibly the single most adaptive signal in history.
Quoting Marcuse to justify guts-level racial prejudice against the actual investigation of racial difference…well I guess it’s at the very least delightfully offensive, even for a place like this. The argument doesn’t really work though: HBD (done right) at least checks out on one of the two complementary modes of understanding reality, in a way that subjective experience matching your preconceptions doesn’t.
Dick Wagner Reply: September 24th, 2016 at 2:35 am
NRK, back in my day shitlords were shitlords to other shitlords, and if they weren’t they were shams. Sorry to say but you go by your gut to determine that “actual investigation” > your gut.
Pseudo-chrysostom, the autistic autism meme and the signal signal, exquisite tastes you have, sir. I’m hard-pressed to whip-up a way you could be more stereotypical.
So, if my gut tells me that science > my gut, and your gut apparently tells you that your gut > science, all it really does is reinforce my suspicion that my gut > your gut.
Dick Wagner Reply: September 24th, 2016 at 4:01 pm
Instead of for the umpteenth time berating progressive dumdumz why don’t you ‘pick on someone your own size’ and go after one of the grandpappies of progressivism, Marcuse……….. Scared? His preemptive critique of “Technocracy” would give you something to chew on. Might want to throw a steak in the freezer to press against your black eye later, though, you you you sissies. Also of significance is his take-down of analytic philosophy (‘s complicity with positivism) which was more or less the Political Correctness of his day. See, the enemy isn’t so different from us after all.
Why would I want to take on Marcuse, I never even objected to the content of that quote (actually, nobody did), but to the ‘argument’ for which you abused it.
Cryptogenic Reply: September 24th, 2016 at 1:11 am
Uncovering “sordid racists” is of course not a monkey status need.
Maclavello Reply: September 24th, 2016 at 12:35 pm
Had you quoted Merleau-Ponty himself instead (or better yet, Heidegger) perhaps this little contretemps could have been avoided. But for all your words, you give no substantive answer to this question: just what about HBD– and if you can, which or which kinds of specific claims– will be “justly” tossed into the rubbish? I ask as someone for whom science is by no means God.
The structures of normativity that inform a culture, an age, a people, are going to exercise corresponding & characteristic limitations of theoretical interpretation in any systematic endeavour. Psychology, of course, is particularly susceptible to such a corruption of fundamental assumptions. It’s easy to see, if one is actually interested, those limitations at work. More often than not, Psychology has been used to exercise sociopolitical effects, & it is these institutional deployments that raise the stakes of what would otherwise be an interesting & exotic curio, like Anthropology, for the delectation of academia & Sunday supplements (are they still around?)
The lubricant of increased access to electronic networks creates a new technosensorium, or rather, develops & accelerates one already in place, but into a phase of palpable & powerful realisation, & ‘presence’. Running through this compressed collision of identities, institutions & ideas, are ancient forces, in search of new resting points of ‘resolution’; testing out teleologies as puzzle pieces, whizzing through metaphysical image banks, & contemplating the aesthetic & speculative fray.
There is, through all this, a hope & a fear. That uncertain mixture of psychic ingredients forming trepidation. A trepidation that some escalate into hysteria & hype; that others ignore, clinging to the seemingly dull power of habit & regularity. Though these escalations & clingings do, indeed, belong to the flux of that which transpires, they do not serve any insightful thought, or thinking, of it.
For that, one needs to abandon the ‘monumental’ desire of The Occident, its ceaseless & incessant self-memorialisation as inert tablets of stone; so many, they are effectively become as ‘dust’.
In this l.c.d. & ‘nanometric dust’, driven by an Occidental instructional desire; in the ‘programmable matter’ to come, where ‘world’ is become as ‘screen’; it is ‘there’, where every ‘glorious name’ is condemned to circulation in an economics of abject stupidity; that this Occidental theatricks of fear & desire imagines a resolution, & it is indeed into this ‘screen’, in which it is condemned, by its own choice, to eternally collapse.
@Brett StevensIndeed, the term Social Science has long been an oxymoron…Apparently, replicability interferes with personal aggrandizement, so it must be evil……
now this as opposed to the investigative reporting crowdfunding thing is HUGE. theres scientists pushing back aginst the religion with facts posted on social media
Well, the fact that emperor has no clothes was apparent even to me in my 20s. It’s scary to think how many policies related to the most vulnerable members of our society are built upon a clay structure. Not to mention the entire hoax of psychotherapy.
It’s so sad that thousands year old traditional religions were virtually replaced by little more than self-aggrandizement.
Interestingly enough, lots of psychological “insight” is secondary to old schools of mysticism. It’s watered down and twisted, but still the roots are easy to recognize.
They made an industry out of it, and set up the consumer as the widest possible audience, ensuring that cherry-picked data would be offered as a confirmation bias product as a result.
Like all things, egalitarianism has ruined science. Not just psychology, but science itself, which is too often dedicated to defending wrong results instead of finding correct ones.
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SVErshov Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 9:34 pm
still all galaxies in our univere slightly red in color, who can say it is because we like red
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I propose a redefinition of this as the “social psychology replication crisis”
the results of the big mass-replication studies that sparked the crisis are often reported as having found that only 1/3 “psychology” studies replicate, but that subdivides into 1/4 for social psychology and 1/2 for cognitive psych. 1/2 for cognitive isn’t bad, there are genetics labs doing worse than that.
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SVErshov Reply:
September 27th, 2016 at 12:36 am
what else in amnezic culture, kepp notes ha..ha.
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I bet NRx would feel a little awkward and whistle innocently if HBD were justly tossed into the “archaic pseudoscience” wastebasket. Or, I guess, “when”, assuming paradigm shifts are inevitable. It’s always merely been priestcraft to me; if I’m seeking to redpill someone I point them to it because people believe Science is God nowadays. Direct subjective experience largely justifies my racism (a redneck version of Merleau-Ponty is going to come out of the woodwork one of these days mark my words)–granted science provides access to subterranean dimensions of the human animal that experience is blind to. Science also has its blindness:
“The objects of thought and perception as they appear to the individuals prior to all “subjective” interpretation have in common certain primary qualities, pertaining to these two layers of reality: (1) to the physical (natural) structure of matter, and (2) to the form which matter has acquired in the collective historical practice that has made it (matter) into objects for a subject. The two layers or aspects of objectivity (physical and historical) are interrelated in such a way that they cannot be insulated from each other; the historical aspect can never be eliminated so radically that only the “absolute” physical layer remains.“ – Herbert Marcuse
One could subscribe to HBD out of monkey-needs–Breaking News – HBD discovers that sordid racists subscribe to HBD to elaborately intellectualize and justify their monkey-needs…
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Aristocles Invictvs Reply:
September 23rd, 2016 at 6:16 pm
Quoting Marcuse on an NRx site, my my it seems we have found a dyed-in-the-wool prog.
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Dick Wagner Reply:
September 23rd, 2016 at 7:11 pm
As a post-meta-reverse-hyper Puritan it made me feel naughty to quote him. But also not at all as his statement was most apposite in this situation. Speaking of monkey-needs.. oo oo! out-group!
Admin literally linked to a pdf of Marx’s Capital on his other blog last week lol
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Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:
September 23rd, 2016 at 10:56 pm
Typical autist, so many words and formulas memorized, but the horsepower just isnt there. Can go no deeper into an issue beyond formal levels and thinks a russian reversal is a devastating critique.
Its not signalling thats a problem (which is always and everywhere going to happen to one degree or another anyways), but *what is being signaled*.
‘hurrhur sjws and rightwingers both have opinions about things and judge right from wrong based on them ttly the same hurhurr.’
ps mistrusting the outgroup is quite possibly the single most adaptive signal in history.
John Reply:
September 23rd, 2016 at 11:52 pm
Marxism knows no peer when it comes to hypnotizing the intellectually vain.
Alrenous Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 2:18 am
Alternatively, found the entryist.
But Poe’s law of course. Maybe they’re genuinely that dense.
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NRK Reply:
September 23rd, 2016 at 11:58 pm
Quoting Marcuse to justify guts-level racial prejudice against the actual investigation of racial difference…well I guess it’s at the very least delightfully offensive, even for a place like this. The argument doesn’t really work though: HBD (done right) at least checks out on one of the two complementary modes of understanding reality, in a way that subjective experience matching your preconceptions doesn’t.
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Dick Wagner Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 2:35 am
NRK, back in my day shitlords were shitlords to other shitlords, and if they weren’t they were shams. Sorry to say but you go by your gut to determine that “actual investigation” > your gut.
Pseudo-chrysostom, the autistic autism meme and the signal signal, exquisite tastes you have, sir. I’m hard-pressed to whip-up a way you could be more stereotypical.
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Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 5:58 am
Lol, sit and spin baby.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CluNG2MUsAA99U2.jpg
NRK Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 6:13 am
So, if my gut tells me that science > my gut, and your gut apparently tells you that your gut > science, all it really does is reinforce my suspicion that my gut > your gut.
Dick Wagner Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 4:01 pm
Instead of for the umpteenth time berating progressive dumdumz why don’t you ‘pick on someone your own size’ and go after one of the grandpappies of progressivism, Marcuse……….. Scared? His preemptive critique of “Technocracy” would give you something to chew on. Might want to throw a steak in the freezer to press against your black eye later, though, you you you sissies. Also of significance is his take-down of analytic philosophy (‘s complicity with positivism) which was more or less the Political Correctness of his day. See, the enemy isn’t so different from us after all.
NRK Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 5:41 pm
Why would I want to take on Marcuse, I never even objected to the content of that quote (actually, nobody did), but to the ‘argument’ for which you abused it.
Cryptogenic Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 1:11 am
Uncovering “sordid racists” is of course not a monkey status need.
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Maclavello Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 12:35 pm
Had you quoted Merleau-Ponty himself instead (or better yet, Heidegger) perhaps this little contretemps could have been avoided. But for all your words, you give no substantive answer to this question: just what about HBD– and if you can, which or which kinds of specific claims– will be “justly” tossed into the rubbish? I ask as someone for whom science is by no means God.
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The Assumptions Informing Glorious Collapse
The structures of normativity that inform a culture, an age, a people, are going to exercise corresponding & characteristic limitations of theoretical interpretation in any systematic endeavour. Psychology, of course, is particularly susceptible to such a corruption of fundamental assumptions. It’s easy to see, if one is actually interested, those limitations at work. More often than not, Psychology has been used to exercise sociopolitical effects, & it is these institutional deployments that raise the stakes of what would otherwise be an interesting & exotic curio, like Anthropology, for the delectation of academia & Sunday supplements (are they still around?)
The lubricant of increased access to electronic networks creates a new technosensorium, or rather, develops & accelerates one already in place, but into a phase of palpable & powerful realisation, & ‘presence’. Running through this compressed collision of identities, institutions & ideas, are ancient forces, in search of new resting points of ‘resolution’; testing out teleologies as puzzle pieces, whizzing through metaphysical image banks, & contemplating the aesthetic & speculative fray.
There is, through all this, a hope & a fear. That uncertain mixture of psychic ingredients forming trepidation. A trepidation that some escalate into hysteria & hype; that others ignore, clinging to the seemingly dull power of habit & regularity. Though these escalations & clingings do, indeed, belong to the flux of that which transpires, they do not serve any insightful thought, or thinking, of it.
For that, one needs to abandon the ‘monumental’ desire of The Occident, its ceaseless & incessant self-memorialisation as inert tablets of stone; so many, they are effectively become as ‘dust’.
In this l.c.d. & ‘nanometric dust’, driven by an Occidental instructional desire; in the ‘programmable matter’ to come, where ‘world’ is become as ‘screen’; it is ‘there’, where every ‘glorious name’ is condemned to circulation in an economics of abject stupidity; that this Occidental theatricks of fear & desire imagines a resolution, & it is indeed into this ‘screen’, in which it is condemned, by its own choice, to eternally collapse.
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Posted on September 23rd, 2016 at 7:25 pm | Quote@Admin
In case nobody has linked you this yet: http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13025422/palmer-luckey-oculus-founder-funding-donald-trump-trolls
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Posted on September 23rd, 2016 at 8:28 pm | Quote@Brett StevensIndeed, the term Social Science has long been an oxymoron…Apparently, replicability interferes with personal aggrandizement, so it must be evil……
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Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 6:04 am
‘Social’ is an interesting word. When appended to a noun it turns it into its opposite.
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It’s telling that the defenders of these ideological architectures always invoke that word “terrorist.”
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Posted on September 24th, 2016 at 1:14 am | QuoteWonder if climate science will be feeling the heat.
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Johan Schmidt Reply:
September 24th, 2016 at 2:53 pm
Climate science is almost immune to this sort of critique, having abandoned the concept of “replicability” from the immediate outset.
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now this as opposed to the investigative reporting crowdfunding thing is HUGE. theres scientists pushing back aginst the religion with facts posted on social media
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Posted on September 24th, 2016 at 4:02 pm | QuoteThe fear is building:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-23/anxiety-spikes-among-g-20-an-analysis-of-un-speeches-shows
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Posted on September 25th, 2016 at 8:31 am | Quote[…] The Collapse of Psychology (Outside In) […]
Posted on September 25th, 2016 at 8:21 pm | Quote@ossipago
Everything is terrorism to these people except actual terrorism.
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Posted on September 26th, 2016 at 8:46 am | QuoteNice hypothesis you have there…
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Posted on September 26th, 2016 at 3:06 pm | QuoteWell, the fact that emperor has no clothes was apparent even to me in my 20s. It’s scary to think how many policies related to the most vulnerable members of our society are built upon a clay structure. Not to mention the entire hoax of psychotherapy.
It’s so sad that thousands year old traditional religions were virtually replaced by little more than self-aggrandizement.
Interestingly enough, lots of psychological “insight” is secondary to old schools of mysticism. It’s watered down and twisted, but still the roots are easy to recognize.
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Posted on September 27th, 2016 at 4:52 pm | Quote