Agreed, ultraZEN.

Furthermore, perhaps Simon doesn’t appreciate that some O9A’ers – like some NRx’ers – are “inclined towards arcane cultural games”. Indeed, it is possible to argue that Anton Long has been playing one particular arcane cultural game, of his own devising, for over four decades – and I don’t, of course, mean The Star Game.

Is Anton Long’s arcane cultural game (manifest as it in both the O9A and in his own strange ‘sinister-numinous’ life) part of – and a positive contribution to – what has been termed Western civilization, going back as that civilization does to classical Greek culture with its pagan, exeatic, yet scholarly/rational ethos? Possibly…

I hope there is enough room to allow time to answer some questions.

and for that matter, Kerri, comparisons of deeds done.

Now you even declare that you stand, as some mighty guardian knight, “in the gap, unmoving”, on behalf of past and future ‘victims’. And what a shining sword you wield! Slashing, evading and swirling, with self-importance and imagined moral superiority as your shield, dashing out ad hominems and dancing away from trivialities such as civility and scholary understanding.

Slash! Slash! Adolf Hitler’s missing testicles! Slash! Slash! Love and understanding! Slash! Slash! Within the realm of the invisible! Slash! Slash! Slash!

…nor, it seems, with any understanding of or insight into the O9A.

You wrote: “I do not doubt that for him and you such acknowledgement has probably been a lifetime pursuit. In the absence of real, genuine validation – especially as a child – becoming someone’s scourge or enemy is, very nearly, the next best thing.”

Your hubriatic phrase – “I do not doubt” – is indicative, because yet again you (i) are indulging in diversionary tactics/propaganda, and (ii) are making biased assumptions about individuals you have never met. Indicative especially in relation to your continuing remarks and assumptions about (and apparent obsession with) DM given your failure to answer a previous relevant question of mine: since you have lambasted Myatt and have made and continue to make assumptions about him without providing any evidential proof whatsoever, it is only fitting to consider how your documented experiences and documented deeds compare to his. Or do you not have any similar documented – and both ‘sinister’ and ‘numinous’ – experiences and deeds?

But now, and for the benefit of others who may be reading these comments, to return to the topic in question: the paradoxical, confusing, enigmatic, adversarial, O9A.

For, in respect of some of the things that ‘Anton Long’ may have written: τὰ κατὰ τὸν ω9α ἤτοι ἱστορικῶς ἐκληπτέον ἢ πλασματικῶς καὶ ὑποθετικῶς διὰ τὸ εὐπρόσωπον τοῦ λόγου. Which, in a peripheral yet possibly interesting not to mention paradoxical way, may also go some way to explain the O9A mythos that seems to be developing incorporating as it does the weird life of a certain person.

Which developing mythos is aided (in however small a way) by comments (‘propaganda’) such as yours (and, to a much lesser extent, by ripostes such as mine), generating as they do – among other things – interest in that mythos and that individual. With the sagacious, of course, being “inclined to dismiss the pretensions of the individual intellect and will” (and see through such propaganda) to thus make (or discover) the necessary ‘dark connexions’, with such propaganda also serving to fool, distract, confuse and lead away those naturally inclined toward mundane-ness or possessed of a mundane Φύσις. Which rather neatly brings us full circle.

As for my hatred and obsession of said person, again, I must say that I do not doubt that for him and you such acknowledgement has probably been a lifetime pursuit. In the absence of real, genuine validation – especially as a child – becoming someone’s scourge or enemy is, very nearly, the next best thing.

But alas, I am not capable of the hatred you ascribe to me. I am very capable of hating a cowardly and cruel ideology, though. And I will stand in the gap, unmoving, on behalf of those who have or would be the victims of such an ideology. I am not alone in this.

I cannot comment on NRx’s. I have said some things here that I hope some, at least, heard. I think anyone bothering to read this thread would recognize me as someone who knows just a few things about a few things. I wish Outside in nothing but the best in their goals and dreams for a better world.

Threats of the kind you think I made are filtered through a distorted perception. They were of a spiritual nature. ‘Sow the wind reap the whirlwind’. Like clockwork.

It was never a scholarly debate. It is within the realm of the invisible.

Again, as before, I offer help if you ever find the bondage you are in too overwhelming and if you truly want to be free.

Yet another pejorative assumption by you, which (as with all your other such assumptions about me and other individuals you have never met, and your argumentum ad hominem) simply amount to diversionary tactics. The topic is the O9A, about which you have demonstrated a singular lack of understanding, with such tactics employed when such a misunderstanding by you is mentioned or revealed, a recent example being the term opfer, and earlier ones your many pejorative (evidentially unproven) assumptions regarding Myatt.

Thus the answer as to why I have not responded to many of your diversionary comments/pejorative assumptions should be obvious. But here is the two-part answer anyway: (i) because they’re irrelevant, and (ii) because, given their nature, they are IMO undeserving of a reply.

As for aforementioned indicative and pejorative assumption of yours re “height”, it is most indicative since (i) you have apparently (and amusingly) assumed that I am a particular person, and (ii) you have made such a claim about the height of that particular person many many times before, and (iii) such a claim, in respect of that person, is quite contrary to the proven reality, and (iv) that particular claim, and the many pejorative assumptions and other claims (and threats) made by you regarding said person indicate both an obsession with and a hatred of said person.

That said, I’m no longer expecting a serious – let alone a scholarly – debate with you either about the O9A or about it’s relation, if any, to NRx.

“I don’t remember ever encountering someone within whom the marriage of intelligence and lack of awareness was so successful.”

Could it be you just would like to be taller? I mean, I got an email the other day from a company that offers that type of service. I could pass it on..

“Persons of high self-esteem are not driven to make themselves superior to others; they do not seek to prove their value by measuring themselves against a comparative standard. Their joy is being who they are, not in being better than someone else.”

Dr. Nathaniel Branden (psychotherapist/author)

Although, I cannot recommend him with 100% confidence..(psst: I’ve heard an unconfirmed rumor he’s a mundane.)

1. “Yes, sacrifice makes everything better”.

Which (IMO) is a propagandistic attempt at deflection which obviously does not (i) address the issue of you offering an internet (i.e. a mundane) definition of opfer, and (ii) of there being – as I indicated – a scholarly interpretation of the term.

2. “I bet you’ve lain awake for half your life dreaming up ways to gain such acknowledgment.”

Which is yet more of the same – and now so obviously psychologically needed – pejorative and unwarranted assumptions by you about someone, or about “various individuals” concatenated (via your imagination) into one “enemy”.

As someone once wrote: ταῦτα πρώτως οὐκ ὀρθῶς οὐδ᾽ ἀληθῶς ἀξιοῦται πρῶτον μὲν γὰρ οὐ δούλου τὸ ‘μὴ λέγειν ἅ τις φρονεῖ,’ ἀλλὰ νοῦν ἔχοντος ἀνδρὸς ἐν καιροῖς καὶ πράγμασιν ἐχεμυθίαςκαὶ σιωπῆς δεομένοις ὥσπερ αὐτὸς ἀλλαχόθι βέλτιον εἴρηκε σιγᾶν θ᾽ ὅπου δεῖ καὶ λέγειν ἵν᾽ ἀσφαλές