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		<title>By: Shlomo Maistre</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 03:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Admin,

An important topic, this.

&quot;Language in not a neutral conveyor of infinite communicative possibility, but an intelligence box. It is to be counted among the traps to be escaped. It is an Exit target — and exit is difficult.&quot;

How can language be escaped?  More specifically, does one not fall into the &quot;trap&quot; of language by using it?  Is exit &quot;possible&quot; by any means save immortality?

&quot;Among these rumblings, the most indefinite, tentative, and unresolved tend to the aesthetic. Without settled criteria of evaluation, there is little obvious basis for productive collision. Instead, there are idiosyncratic statements of appreciation, expressed as such, or adamant judgments of affirmation or negation, surging forth, draped in the heraldic finery of the absolute, before collapsing back into the hollowness of their unsustainable pretensions.&quot;

Idiosyncratic statements tend to the aesthetic by virtue of the essential truths they reflect - as perceived  by a single individual&#039;s understanding.  Truth, after all, is inherently so - and we all know that beauty, like some other things, are aligned with truth.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with clarity per se, but it should be obvious that the more essential is a truth, the more indefinitely it can possibly be expressed.

two snippets for further elucidation....

1

It has been said that there is an old quarrel between philosophy and poetry.  Understanding how man’s notions of philosophy and poetry have evolved since this observation was first made illustrates not only the veracity but also the irony of it.

It’s not that some regard rhetoric, once known as poetry, as futile or revelation, once understood to be philosophy, as instructive; it’s that they are inherently so.  To the extent that its basis in divine revelation remains intact and pure, rhetoric is, in fact, poetic.

[...]

Whereas sufficiently fundamental intuition could have once been conveyed with so few words so as to remind how a single Hebrew word could mean both inspiration and intuition, this writer confesses a peculiar pride born of his capacity to understand why for himself such discursive prose is as elegantly clarifying in pursuit of that same end as it is eminently gratifying.  Though he has sought to cleanse himself of sophistry - and with no small degree of pride claims some success in that task - this writer nonetheless accepts his stain of sin as a consequence of his being and embarks upon writing not as proud enunciation of truth or even virtuous proclamation of insight but only as pleasurable vice.

http://deductiveprosecutions.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-old-quarrel-by-way-of-introduction.html

2

Every communication betrays implicit meaning just as every action betrays implicit intention - at least slightly.  Moreover, not only is communication recognized as one specific form of action just as (implied) meaning is recognized as one specific form of intention, but every action must be interpreted as communication - even if only in hindsight - just as every intention must be interpreted as (implied) meaning - even if only in hindsight.  Self-interest is justly assumed in any interpretation of implied meaning or intention, for nothing more thoroughly permeates or vigorously impels all human action.

Man&#039;s mortality is the child of his self-interest and the mother of his sociability, which know the two twin needs of his being: to survive and to subdue.  It is by his need to survive that his intention to advance his self-interest is communicated by his every action and it is by his need to subdue that implicit meaning imbues his every communication.

Time solves what reason cannot - especially the is-ought fallacy, which could never have occurred to any being but one that both experiences time and possesses reason - which is to say a mortal one.  The mortal being must act across time and the social being must communicate by action.  In sum, man communicates that which ought to be by necessity in two fundamental ways: by his inevitable action that inherently communicates and by his inevitable communication that inherently implies (meaning).  And so it is that an intuitive proof of the Mandate of Heaven is apparent to each man insofar as these twin necessities merge in his mind into that single ineffable way of being that, avoiding explicit communication as such by judicious prejudice, distinguishes the few from the many: aligning with the Creator so fully so as to communicate only by the implied meaning of action is an unintended consequence of complete devotion to one&#039;s own kingdom.  This is the manner of virtue, the wellspring of order, the imprint of sovereignty: Kingship.

http://deductiveprosecutions.blogspot.com/2014/02/kingship.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admin,</p>
<p>An important topic, this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Language in not a neutral conveyor of infinite communicative possibility, but an intelligence box. It is to be counted among the traps to be escaped. It is an Exit target — and exit is difficult.&#8221;</p>
<p>How can language be escaped?  More specifically, does one not fall into the &#8220;trap&#8221; of language by using it?  Is exit &#8220;possible&#8221; by any means save immortality?</p>
<p>&#8220;Among these rumblings, the most indefinite, tentative, and unresolved tend to the aesthetic. Without settled criteria of evaluation, there is little obvious basis for productive collision. Instead, there are idiosyncratic statements of appreciation, expressed as such, or adamant judgments of affirmation or negation, surging forth, draped in the heraldic finery of the absolute, before collapsing back into the hollowness of their unsustainable pretensions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Idiosyncratic statements tend to the aesthetic by virtue of the essential truths they reflect &#8211; as perceived  by a single individual&#8217;s understanding.  Truth, after all, is inherently so &#8211; and we all know that beauty, like some other things, are aligned with truth.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with clarity per se, but it should be obvious that the more essential is a truth, the more indefinitely it can possibly be expressed.</p>
<p>two snippets for further elucidation&#8230;.</p>
<p>1</p>
<p>It has been said that there is an old quarrel between philosophy and poetry.  Understanding how man’s notions of philosophy and poetry have evolved since this observation was first made illustrates not only the veracity but also the irony of it.</p>
<p>It’s not that some regard rhetoric, once known as poetry, as futile or revelation, once understood to be philosophy, as instructive; it’s that they are inherently so.  To the extent that its basis in divine revelation remains intact and pure, rhetoric is, in fact, poetic.</p>
<p>[&#8230;]</p>
<p>Whereas sufficiently fundamental intuition could have once been conveyed with so few words so as to remind how a single Hebrew word could mean both inspiration and intuition, this writer confesses a peculiar pride born of his capacity to understand why for himself such discursive prose is as elegantly clarifying in pursuit of that same end as it is eminently gratifying.  Though he has sought to cleanse himself of sophistry &#8211; and with no small degree of pride claims some success in that task &#8211; this writer nonetheless accepts his stain of sin as a consequence of his being and embarks upon writing not as proud enunciation of truth or even virtuous proclamation of insight but only as pleasurable vice.</p>
<p><a href="http://deductiveprosecutions.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-old-quarrel-by-way-of-introduction.html" rel="nofollow">http://deductiveprosecutions.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-old-quarrel-by-way-of-introduction.html</a></p>
<p>2</p>
<p>Every communication betrays implicit meaning just as every action betrays implicit intention &#8211; at least slightly.  Moreover, not only is communication recognized as one specific form of action just as (implied) meaning is recognized as one specific form of intention, but every action must be interpreted as communication &#8211; even if only in hindsight &#8211; just as every intention must be interpreted as (implied) meaning &#8211; even if only in hindsight.  Self-interest is justly assumed in any interpretation of implied meaning or intention, for nothing more thoroughly permeates or vigorously impels all human action.</p>
<p>Man&#8217;s mortality is the child of his self-interest and the mother of his sociability, which know the two twin needs of his being: to survive and to subdue.  It is by his need to survive that his intention to advance his self-interest is communicated by his every action and it is by his need to subdue that implicit meaning imbues his every communication.</p>
<p>Time solves what reason cannot &#8211; especially the is-ought fallacy, which could never have occurred to any being but one that both experiences time and possesses reason &#8211; which is to say a mortal one.  The mortal being must act across time and the social being must communicate by action.  In sum, man communicates that which ought to be by necessity in two fundamental ways: by his inevitable action that inherently communicates and by his inevitable communication that inherently implies (meaning).  And so it is that an intuitive proof of the Mandate of Heaven is apparent to each man insofar as these twin necessities merge in his mind into that single ineffable way of being that, avoiding explicit communication as such by judicious prejudice, distinguishes the few from the many: aligning with the Creator so fully so as to communicate only by the implied meaning of action is an unintended consequence of complete devotion to one&#8217;s own kingdom.  This is the manner of virtue, the wellspring of order, the imprint of sovereignty: Kingship.</p>
<p><a href="http://deductiveprosecutions.blogspot.com/2014/02/kingship.html" rel="nofollow">http://deductiveprosecutions.blogspot.com/2014/02/kingship.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: vxxc2014</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118300</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 00:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually if you&#039;re dyslexic not thinking in words is exactly the dysfunctional aspect of your interface to the vast majority that do.  

Now that&#039;s the science.  Recent BTW.

&quot;Most dyslexics are not aware that this is what they are doing. Since dyslexics think in pictures or imagery, they tend to use global logic and reasoning strategies.&quot; - Davis Dyslexia

http://www.davisdyslexia.com/big_picture.html

And

http://www.masteringdyslexia.com/index.php/about/understanding-dyselxia/

&quot;Disorientation --  When dyslexics are confused (or curious) they might mentally look at objects, words, or ideas from many angles.  We call this disorientation.&quot;

@Admin might be something there for you to explore - &quot;Disorientation&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually if you&#8217;re dyslexic not thinking in words is exactly the dysfunctional aspect of your interface to the vast majority that do.  </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s the science.  Recent BTW.</p>
<p>&#8220;Most dyslexics are not aware that this is what they are doing. Since dyslexics think in pictures or imagery, they tend to use global logic and reasoning strategies.&#8221; &#8211; Davis Dyslexia</p>
<p><a href="http://www.davisdyslexia.com/big_picture.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.davisdyslexia.com/big_picture.html</a></p>
<p>And</p>
<p><a href="http://www.masteringdyslexia.com/index.php/about/understanding-dyselxia/" rel="nofollow">http://www.masteringdyslexia.com/index.php/about/understanding-dyselxia/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Disorientation &#8212;  When dyslexics are confused (or curious) they might mentally look at objects, words, or ideas from many angles.  We call this disorientation.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Admin might be something there for you to explore &#8211; &#8220;Disorientation&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118299</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 00:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hah, I have no idea if that&#039;s sarcasm.

If not, you&#039;re welcome.

If so, uhh, well, good one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, I have no idea if that&#8217;s sarcasm.</p>
<p>If not, you&#8217;re welcome.</p>
<p>If so, uhh, well, good one.</p>
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		<title>By: vinteuil</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 23:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Alrenous - all is forgiven. The idea of the p-zombie is (a) entirely new to me and (b) totally brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Alrenous &#8211; all is forgiven. The idea of the p-zombie is (a) entirely new to me and (b) totally brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118204</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 19:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly  LOL
 I could point out admins obscurantism I suppose is not a function of his not understanding what hes talking about  
But at first I thought you were reiterating my points more succinctly on second reading you re riffing and refuting.
i would disagree that it is always necessary to speak obscurely before clearly, that was my point about Einsteins comment.
 I also disagree that clear communication is an accident of increased understanding Id say increased understanding is a byproduct of clear communication even if this communication is only to oneself. thats a bit strong but my point is language is a tool for greater understanding it allows us to separate, store , re arrange, test , juxtapose etc our thoughts we can do this internally or on paper verbally etc and I agree with the commenter that thinks it artificial to separate different language forms ie  math comp programs diagrams symbols I could add quite a few. however Im not sure admin being a philosopher was not referring to the  philosophical context of language. not that the other forms dont suffer the philosophical problems as well.And while I point to some ways ideas can be had independent of language and the difficulty of controlling thought through language only its true that language allows for more sophisticated idea. any chimp understands ideas like justice and equality - [just try to take his food away or give him a smaller portion of your than you gave his sister] 
 mistaking the appearance for the reality i think is one of the philosophical problem i dont know i only have an eith grade education. but it was catholic school.
 you are right its apparent at times how little the cathedral gets things but one thing they know they have destroyed the education system so few will know better than they.- find my 60s era catholic grade school education about equivalent to a bachelors degree if not for 35 years in construction not writing it might be better.
I think the retreat to obscurity is well reasoned though. its a way to seem above reason or any reason easily grasped it keeps people think oh i must be dumbe i dont get it it.this is behind the deconstruct speak admin like to parody some have done  brilliant parodys of deconstruct published papers.they have similar systems like correct speak, foggy speak , political speak mil speak etc   
here is a very interesting video of a neoreactionary communist explaining the failure of democracy its in compatibility with all races and its hubris and the advantages of a authoritarian regime whos moral authority resides in its effectiveness and satisfaction of its citizens sound familiar admin will like this if he hasnt seen it.Its a ted talk of all things but note where the audience applauds.
http://youtu.be/s0YjL9rZyR0
Im not sure I buy conservatives being part of the cathedral. yeah a few are moles some sellouts for power. some stupid , some misguided ,certainly a foil for the left serves the cathedrals needs. but most i think are simply captured by the ideology of the times, they want to be conservative but actually beleive racism is the greatest evil ever.so they start from that premise. this is why a month or so bak i asked among other things how a  reactionary patriarchy would differ from say the islamic one. i pointed out that depite what we know about HBD we still have to sell this of course i caught shit but i doubt anyone in the entire reactosphere has bedded as many wenches with nary a nod to feminism i could have written the entirety of heartiste at 22. so im no namby pamby on race or gender but i wanted to point out even we hard core HBD patriarchs probably would want to modify our gereat great grandfathers patriarchy and it might help us define ourselves to start on such a corner.
I bring this up now to illustrate how many conservatives might legitimately have some progressive points to concede. surely think through this will prove some of these a slippery slope but others might reasonable. admin seems to think the risk of multicultural city states worth the risk while being a city kid i like a little diversity im convinced citizenship bust be based on HBD now ten years ago i was a staunch conservative libertarian and wouldn&#039;t have said that but facts changed  so the koch brothers may indeed be pretty conservative guys working for conservative values- yeah im aware yarvin thinks collapse is the only solution he also thinks resistence is futile so he has to think that- im not saying he is wrong but i really dont see the cathedral giving up just because the dollar busts and if we really had a well thought out political sytem before the collapse is the time to spread the meme to people like the kochs after the collapse communication will be difficult if not impossible]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly  LOL<br />
 I could point out admins obscurantism I suppose is not a function of his not understanding what hes talking about<br />
But at first I thought you were reiterating my points more succinctly on second reading you re riffing and refuting.<br />
i would disagree that it is always necessary to speak obscurely before clearly, that was my point about Einsteins comment.<br />
 I also disagree that clear communication is an accident of increased understanding Id say increased understanding is a byproduct of clear communication even if this communication is only to oneself. thats a bit strong but my point is language is a tool for greater understanding it allows us to separate, store , re arrange, test , juxtapose etc our thoughts we can do this internally or on paper verbally etc and I agree with the commenter that thinks it artificial to separate different language forms ie  math comp programs diagrams symbols I could add quite a few. however Im not sure admin being a philosopher was not referring to the  philosophical context of language. not that the other forms dont suffer the philosophical problems as well.And while I point to some ways ideas can be had independent of language and the difficulty of controlling thought through language only its true that language allows for more sophisticated idea. any chimp understands ideas like justice and equality &#8211; [just try to take his food away or give him a smaller portion of your than you gave his sister]<br />
 mistaking the appearance for the reality i think is one of the philosophical problem i dont know i only have an eith grade education. but it was catholic school.<br />
 you are right its apparent at times how little the cathedral gets things but one thing they know they have destroyed the education system so few will know better than they.- find my 60s era catholic grade school education about equivalent to a bachelors degree if not for 35 years in construction not writing it might be better.<br />
I think the retreat to obscurity is well reasoned though. its a way to seem above reason or any reason easily grasped it keeps people think oh i must be dumbe i dont get it it.this is behind the deconstruct speak admin like to parody some have done  brilliant parodys of deconstruct published papers.they have similar systems like correct speak, foggy speak , political speak mil speak etc<br />
here is a very interesting video of a neoreactionary communist explaining the failure of democracy its in compatibility with all races and its hubris and the advantages of a authoritarian regime whos moral authority resides in its effectiveness and satisfaction of its citizens sound familiar admin will like this if he hasnt seen it.Its a ted talk of all things but note where the audience applauds.<br />
<a href="http://youtu.be/s0YjL9rZyR0" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/s0YjL9rZyR0</a><br />
Im not sure I buy conservatives being part of the cathedral. yeah a few are moles some sellouts for power. some stupid , some misguided ,certainly a foil for the left serves the cathedrals needs. but most i think are simply captured by the ideology of the times, they want to be conservative but actually beleive racism is the greatest evil ever.so they start from that premise. this is why a month or so bak i asked among other things how a  reactionary patriarchy would differ from say the islamic one. i pointed out that depite what we know about HBD we still have to sell this of course i caught shit but i doubt anyone in the entire reactosphere has bedded as many wenches with nary a nod to feminism i could have written the entirety of heartiste at 22. so im no namby pamby on race or gender but i wanted to point out even we hard core HBD patriarchs probably would want to modify our gereat great grandfathers patriarchy and it might help us define ourselves to start on such a corner.<br />
I bring this up now to illustrate how many conservatives might legitimately have some progressive points to concede. surely think through this will prove some of these a slippery slope but others might reasonable. admin seems to think the risk of multicultural city states worth the risk while being a city kid i like a little diversity im convinced citizenship bust be based on HBD now ten years ago i was a staunch conservative libertarian and wouldn&#8217;t have said that but facts changed  so the koch brothers may indeed be pretty conservative guys working for conservative values- yeah im aware yarvin thinks collapse is the only solution he also thinks resistence is futile so he has to think that- im not saying he is wrong but i really dont see the cathedral giving up just because the dollar busts and if we really had a well thought out political sytem before the collapse is the time to spread the meme to people like the kochs after the collapse communication will be difficult if not impossible</p>
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		<title>By: Authoritarianism works! &#124; The Mitrailleuse</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118116</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 16:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] in gothic lettering, track jackets, Thor&#8217;s hammer necklaces, some easily-shared &#8220;architectural treasure,&#8221; and all the other activist nonsense NPI serves as the (ever-so-slightly more) respectable [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in gothic lettering, track jackets, Thor&#8217;s hammer necklaces, some easily-shared &#8220;architectural treasure,&#8221; and all the other activist nonsense NPI serves as the (ever-so-slightly more) respectable [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Going Pro</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Going Pro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The objects which pure logic seeks to examine are, in the first instance, therefore given to it in grammatical clothing. Or, more precisely, they come before us embedded in concrete mental states which further function either as the meaning-intention or meaning-fulfillment of certain verbal expressions – in the latter case intuitively illustrating, or intuitively providing evidence for, our meaning – and forming a phenomenological unity with such expressions.&quot; - &lt;i&gt;Husserl&lt;/i&gt; (Logical Investigations, II)

Much later in &lt;i&gt;Experience and Judgement&lt;/i&gt;, language is understood as a &quot;&lt;i&gt;mere&lt;/i&gt; mode of sense&quot;.

Husserl makes the distinction between logic and language, whereby the later is limited to 
representation to the other (intending meaning, in a &lt;i&gt;Welt der Vernunft&lt;/i&gt;), but the former functions without attaching importance to linguistic &quot;material&quot;.

For the life of me though, I could never find a real example from Husserl on the inseparability of language and logic, hence &quot;exit is difficult&quot;.

Still, it always felt warm to read things like &quot;&lt;i&gt;human&lt;/i&gt; thinking is &lt;i&gt;normally&lt;/i&gt; done in language, and all the activities of reason (&lt;i&gt;Welt der Vernunft&lt;/i&gt;) are as good as entirely bound up with speech.” - &lt;i&gt;Husserl&lt;/i&gt; (Formal and Transcendental Logic, II).  While the limits of my language are the limits of my world, these limits are &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;only and merely&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The objects which pure logic seeks to examine are, in the first instance, therefore given to it in grammatical clothing. Or, more precisely, they come before us embedded in concrete mental states which further function either as the meaning-intention or meaning-fulfillment of certain verbal expressions – in the latter case intuitively illustrating, or intuitively providing evidence for, our meaning – and forming a phenomenological unity with such expressions.&#8221; &#8211; <i>Husserl</i> (Logical Investigations, II)</p>
<p>Much later in <i>Experience and Judgement</i>, language is understood as a &#8220;<i>mere</i> mode of sense&#8221;.</p>
<p>Husserl makes the distinction between logic and language, whereby the later is limited to<br />
representation to the other (intending meaning, in a <i>Welt der Vernunft</i>), but the former functions without attaching importance to linguistic &#8220;material&#8221;.</p>
<p>For the life of me though, I could never find a real example from Husserl on the inseparability of language and logic, hence &#8220;exit is difficult&#8221;.</p>
<p>Still, it always felt warm to read things like &#8220;<i>human</i> thinking is <i>normally</i> done in language, and all the activities of reason (<i>Welt der Vernunft</i>) are as good as entirely bound up with speech.” &#8211; <i>Husserl</i> (Formal and Transcendental Logic, II).  While the limits of my language are the limits of my world, these limits are <i><b>only and merely</b></i> mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118043</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 13:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is necessary to communicate obscurely before you communicate clearly.  Clear communication is an accident of increased understanding.  It is mostly not a way of reaching increased understanding.  So focusing on clear communication instead of clear understanding is like everything else the Cathedral does, mistaking the appearance for the reality.  Except that in the Cathedral&#039;s case, the clarity of communication shows all too clearly that they don&#039;t understand anything, so they&#039;ve retreated into obscurity while insisting that it&#039;s still clear.  

Democracy is another instance.  Obviously a well-run, healthy society will probably have lots of popular support, and if there were an election the leadership would be ratified.  So, lets have elections, and whoever gets voted in will naturally have popular support and create a well-run healthy society!  That hasn&#039;t worked out, which is why the left has added Citizens United and the Koch Brothers to their demonology.   For a movement without Gods, they sure do have a lot of devils.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is necessary to communicate obscurely before you communicate clearly.  Clear communication is an accident of increased understanding.  It is mostly not a way of reaching increased understanding.  So focusing on clear communication instead of clear understanding is like everything else the Cathedral does, mistaking the appearance for the reality.  Except that in the Cathedral&#8217;s case, the clarity of communication shows all too clearly that they don&#8217;t understand anything, so they&#8217;ve retreated into obscurity while insisting that it&#8217;s still clear.  </p>
<p>Democracy is another instance.  Obviously a well-run, healthy society will probably have lots of popular support, and if there were an election the leadership would be ratified.  So, lets have elections, and whoever gets voted in will naturally have popular support and create a well-run healthy society!  That hasn&#8217;t worked out, which is why the left has added Citizens United and the Koch Brothers to their demonology.   For a movement without Gods, they sure do have a lot of devils.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 13:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it was Einstein who said if you can not explain it to your grandmother you don&#039;t really understand the subject.Orwell elaborated on another s work i forget who about the idea we can not think outside language. this meme survives because its true we can change how  something is thought about by renaming it. But the reality is we often have ideas we can not at first find the right words for. Dumb people have ideas and act on them they will never be able to explain in words. sometimes there are not the right words yet available yet and we invent new ones eventually but in the meantime indicate it in closer and closer proximity from all sides during this process others are contributing in ways that show they get the idea before the words are available perhaps DENRX is a too large example to illustrate more than sloppily. sometimes people are less educated or skilled than they are keen and express ideas without bothering to punctuate capitalize fully flesh out and organize but i think they sometimes do communicate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Einstein who said if you can not explain it to your grandmother you don&#8217;t really understand the subject.Orwell elaborated on another s work i forget who about the idea we can not think outside language. this meme survives because its true we can change how  something is thought about by renaming it. But the reality is we often have ideas we can not at first find the right words for. Dumb people have ideas and act on them they will never be able to explain in words. sometimes there are not the right words yet available yet and we invent new ones eventually but in the meantime indicate it in closer and closer proximity from all sides during this process others are contributing in ways that show they get the idea before the words are available perhaps DENRX is a too large example to illustrate more than sloppily. sometimes people are less educated or skilled than they are keen and express ideas without bothering to punctuate capitalize fully flesh out and organize but i think they sometimes do communicate</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/on-difficulty/#comment-118026</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 13:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twistedness is my specialism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twistedness is my specialism.</p>
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