Open Secret

NRx has been accused, by its friends more than its enemies, of talking about itself too much. Here XS is, doing that again, not only stuck in ‘meta’ but determinedly pushing ever deeper in. There are some easily communicable reasons for that — an attachment to methodical nonlinearity perhaps foremost among them — and then there are cryptic drivers or attachments, unsuited to immediate publicization. These latter are many (even Legion). It is the firm assertion of this blog that Neoreaction is intrinsically arcane.

We do not talk very much about Leo Strauss. Once again, there are some obvious reasons for this, but also others.

Steve Sailer’s recent Takimag article on Strauss makes for a convenient introduction, because — despite its light touch — it moves a number of issues into place. The constellation of voices is complex from the start. There is the (now notorious) ‘Neo-Conservatism’ of Strauss and his disciples, or manipulators, and the other conservatism of Sailer, each working to manage, openly and in secret, its own peculiar mix of public statement and discretion. Out beyond them — because even the shadowiest figures have further shadows — are more alien, scarcely perceptible shapes.

Sailer’s article is typically smart, but also deliberately crude. It glosses the Straussian idea of esoteric writing as “talking out of both sides of your mouth” — as if hermetic traditionalism were reducible to a lucid political strategy, or simple conspiracy — to ‘Illuminism’, politically conceived. In the wake of its Neo-Con trauma, conservatism has little patience for “secret decoder rings”. Yet, despite his aversion to the recent workings of inner-circle ‘conservative’ sophisticates, Sailer does not let his distaste lure him into stupidity:

We haven’t heard much about Straussianism lately due to the unfortunate series of events in Iraq that befell the best-laid plans of the sages. But that doesn’t mean that Strauss was necessarily wrong about the ancients. And that has interesting implications for how we should read current works.

As the approaching 20th anniversary of the publication of The Bell Curve reminds us, the best minds of our age have reasons for being less than wholly frank.

Sailer is not, of course, a neoreactionary. Not even secretly. (That is what his article is primarily about.) He believes in the public sphere, and seeks to heal it with honesty. Any pessimism he might harbor in regards to this ambition falls far short of the dark scission that would hurl him over the line. His differences with the Straussians are, in the end, merely tactical. Both retain confidence in the Outer Party as a vehicle for policy promotion, with the potential to master the public sphere. The question is only about the degree of deviousness this will require (minimal for Sailer, substantial for the Straussians).

When adopted into Neoreaction, the HBD current has an altogether more corrosive influence upon attitudes to the public sphere, which is understood as a teleologically cohesive (or self-organizing), inherently directional, and (from ‘our’ perspective) radically hostile social agency. To baptize the public sphere as ‘the Cathedral’ is to depart from conservatism. It is no longer possible to imagine it as a space that could be conquered — even surreptitiously — by forces differing significantly from those it already incarnates. It is what it is, and that is something historically singular, ideologically specific, and highly determined in its social orientation. It swims left, essentially. The public sphere is not the battlefield, but the enemy.

Hail-hydra00

As NRx seeks to navigate this hostile territory, it is tempted ambiguously, by a strategic Scylla and Charybdis. A populist lure drags it towards a reconciliation with the public sphere, as something it could potentially dominate, while a contrary hermetic politics guides it towards the formation of closed groups (whose parodic symbol is the locked twitter account). Both options — ‘clearly’ — are a flight from the complexity of the integral open secret. They both promise a relaxation of semiotic stress, through collapse of multi-level communication into a simplified frank discourse, whether implanted within a redeemed public culture, or circulated cautiously within restricted circles. The problem of hierarchy would be extracted from the signs of Neoreaction, through conversion into a public or private object, rather than working them incessantly from within. What is underway would become (simply) clear.

Such clarity cannot happen. The alternative is not an (equally simple) obscurity. NRx, insofar as it continues to propagate, advances by becoming clear and also unclear. Double writing scarcely scratches the surface. It realizes hierarchy through signs, continuously, in accordance with Providence, or the Occult Order of nature (the OOon). To assume that the author is fully initiated into this spectrum of meanings is a grave error. It is the process that speaks, multiplicitously, and predominantly in secret, as it spreads across an open, publicly-policed space.

This post is now determined to slip the leash, and leap into the raggedness of thematic notes. The Open Secret intersects:

(1) Cathedral censure, in the case of HBD most prominently, but also everywhere that firedup SJWs make a fight. War is deception, which makes frankness a tactic. Deontological honesty is inept. Anonymity is often crucial to survival. (Demands that all enemies of the Cathedral boldly ‘come out’ are ludicrously misconceived.) Camouflage is to be treasured.

(2) Crypto-technologies are central to any NRx concerns emphasizing practicality. (The idea that classic Moldbug attention to the prospects of ‘crypto-locking’ is a joke, it itself thoughtless.) Urbit — an Open Secret — could quite easily be more NRx than NRx, just as Bitcoin is more An-Cap than Anarcho-Capitalism.

(3) The intelligence services have been under-theorized, and perhaps even under-solicited, by NRx to date. At the lowest, i.e. most publicly accessible — level of discussion, this is quite possibly a virtue. At more cryptic levels of micro-social and analytical endeavor, it is almost certainly an inadequacy. People trained to keep secrets have to be interesting to us. Subtle questions of subversion arise.

(4) “Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.” — Let’s try not to be simple-minded.

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  • pjebleak Says:

    Point 4 is often overlooked. The Cathedral is winning the social justice war, someone is winning the economic war (and tangling with Bitcoin is coming soon surely), but the deep state (intelligence services) is always winning, whomever happens to be running the frontshop. Dictator, monarch and democratic state alike need ’em.

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    At the risk of utterly missing the point of this post, I have to ask the obvious question in response to, “Such clarity cannot happen.”

    Why not? Is it simply too much of a tactical risk to join a Strauss-style secret society? That one behind the masque, banging Nicole Kidman, could be a saboteur? He could reveal us and collapse the wave function?

    Is it because we must signal subtly to cloak the movement from proles? The price of admission is being smart enough to find the door?

    Is it a mistake to even try to articulate as much as I have? But if it is, why isn’t it a mistake to articulate as much as you have?

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    admin Reply:

    To be realistic is to be multi-leveled. There are tactical reasons for caution about disclosure, which deserve to be respected. It’s especially mindless to attempt to strip away Internet anonymity in the name of a romantic antagonism (that simply assists the Cathedral in its own intelligence operations).

    …. but, far more important is the secrecy that comes not from prudential decision, but from the providential order of signs. Every text is a system of secrets, as extensive as the number of potential cryptographic approaches that could be brought to bear upon it. (This is what Qabbalistic method demonstrates.) So …

    (1) Be careful
    (2) Then be clear
    (3) Then be incrementally attentive to the vast submerged iceberg-mass of meanings whose channel you are, and which ultimately — in writing with any seriousness, and perhaps even with obliviousness — you work for. The real agency ‘behind’ NRx is not anything we could betray, even if we desired to do so.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    The real agency ‘behind’ NRx is not anything we could betray

    Such refreshing words! Pregnant with unknown destinies…

    I promise to Admin an email within a day or two, providential signs notwithstanding.

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    Can’t risk losing the battle for Gotham’s soul in a fistfight with Batman.

    “Is it a mistake to even try to articulate as much as I have? But if it is, why isn’t it a mistake to articulate as much as you have?”

    Picture a cephalopod who gives the impression of fleeing a hunt but actually goes for the depths not for escape but entrapment, upon reaching the deepest the chase can go, the trap is sprung and someone dies (doesn’t really matter who) . Making the trap a bit more visible looks counterproductive but it pressures the aquatic menace into fashioning more opaque traps and yet more appealing bait, into becoming a better prey/predator. Opacity without appeal is noise, appeal without opacity is banality. A more real, peculiar problem would arise from a man-in-the-middle attack (in this case more a defense of the diver/hunter/prey), which would alter the message in such a way as to keep the target in shallow waters. The tension between bait and trap is defused by eliminating the trap and the incentive to reach deeper.

    ” Every text is a system of secrets, as extensive as the number of potential cryptographic approaches that could be brought to bear upon it. ”

    An artifact of trying to compress large volumes of high dimensional data. A supermarket places similar items in proximity with each other, each aisle presenting two 2D planes for your selection. So if you’re looking for tuna, and you know where sardines are then you probably have a partial solution to your search for tuna, it’s likely they’ll be near the sardines. But with 2D you could look for anchovies and they might be near pizza toppings instead of near the sardines or tuna. Not much you can do with only two dimensions.

    But in 30 dimensions you could have a whole bunch of things near each other and many variations of any particular thing. Organic over there, cheap over here, newer, older, etc. Speaking frankly circumnavigates this process which is induced naturally by initiation. It only presents selected, easily digestible manifolds of much more complex spaces, like giving someone a 2D strip of an orange’s surface instead of the multidimensional complexity of the whole orange (color, shape, proportions, taste, smell).

    And obviously the funny thing is that if you have a method for compression you can also get new samples from it which still fit expected patterns (the intuitive notion behind Ideological Turing Tests, “can you replicate ideology X’s compression? “). An uninitiated one is incapable of becoming a generator of such types of clustering accordingly to some compression system.

    A concrete example of what I’m saying:

    Fire, mountains, clarity, simplicity, action, commandment, enrapturement, apotheosis.

    Water, deep oceans, obscurity, complexity, contemplation, adaptation, horror, exile.

    Add a few dimensions like solitude, cognition, search and two funnily familiar but otherwise distant and opposed clusters become a lot more similar. It’s like finding shortcuts in a semantic space, similarly to how worm holes could give us shortcuts in spacetime.

    http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~rsalakhu/papers/semantic_final.pdf

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~grauman/temp/GraumanFergus_Hashing_chapterdraft.pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoencoder

    It doesn’t matter if this isn’t exactly how brains work, they have to face the same problems and are likely to stumble upon similar phenomena even if using quite different mechanisms for resolution.

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    In the spirit of compressibility :

    TL;DR: Pragmatic deobfuscation demands the cognitive mutilation of faculties necessary for the navigation of highly dimensional mental spaces, subsequently subverting analytic prowess.

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  • Xaver Says:

    >Urbit — an Open Secret — could quite easily be more NRx than NRx

    What are you basing this on? I can see how some analogies between moldbug’s political prescriptions and is goals for the internet can be made, but you seem to be taking it much further. Moldbug himself has said that urbit has nothing to do with his politics. I ask this because I don’t really understand urbit despite reading quite a bit about it, and I’m betting you don’t either and I can’t imagine how you can have this certainty without an in depth understanding.

    Is the logic just that increasing possibilities for disintegration/decentralization/exit in any sphere will inevitably have political consequences aligned with NRx?

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    admin Reply:

    Start here.

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  • Wyrd Says:

    The Cathedral tries to p-p-put Nick Land down!
    (Talking about my Neoreaction!)
    Just b-b-because Moldbug abounds!
    (Talking about my Neoreaction!)

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    ReactionaryFerret Reply:

    The rhythm doesn’t work.

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    Wyrd Reply:

    That depends on the 16th notes, don’t it?

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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    *The intelligence services have been under-theorized*

    Speaking of Sailer, he has some interesting dark suspicions about how the CIA is and has been in the bed with the non-communist left, with interesting ties into the career of one Barack Hussein Obama. The prole paleo right bubbles up some stuff about actual KGB cultural subversion from time to time to. There is also at least some indication that Bush II may have had some CIA ops run on him–nothing too dramatic, just organized, covert efforts to embarrass him and frustrate his projects.

    I don’t know if I believe any of it, but in our consensus that the Cathedral just happened, it might do to remember that the old argument between Huck and Jim has two sides. Maybe these walls didn’t just happen. Maybe they were made.

    You see a pretty common reading of LOTR where the One Ring of too-dangerous power that the allies, Boromir-like, took up during WWII was the Bomb. But there may be an even more plausible reading that the One Ring was organized intelligence and covert ops.

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    Nyan Sandwich Reply:

    I’ve been updating recently away from the “self-organizing consensus” model of the cathedral towards something a bit more centralized and deliberate. The “it’s not a conspiracy” thing was necessary for us to take it seriously back when we were open minded progressives, but I wonder if that model is actually accurate.

    Not that there’s any defined leadership, just that they are collaborating behind the scenes to push a particular agenda, as revealed with the #gamergate stuff.

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    pjebleak Reply:

    What we have are a series of fractured operations that often have unintended consequences. The NSA might be swaying something one way and the FBI messing with a group in another (say infiltrating Anonymous or radical green groups and pushing them harder than they would be alone). The insertion of memetics of often down to the culture of informants.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    I say it’s a prospiracy of conspiracies.
    So Jobs had to pay somebody off by hiring Cook. So Cook knows he owes his job to that person. They don’t have any legal or perhaps even social authority over Cook, it’s gratitude and the fact that this shadowy person got to pick someone who already agreed with their aims.

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    pjebleak Reply:

    ‘Speaking of Sailer, he has some interesting dark suspicions about how the CIA is and has been in the bed with the non-communist left, with interesting ties into the career of one Barack Hussein Obama. The prole paleo right bubbles up some stuff about actual KGB cultural subversion from time to time to. There is also at least some indication that Bush II may have had some CIA ops run on him–nothing too dramatic, just organized, covert efforts to embarrass him and frustrate his projects.

    I don’t know if I believe any of it, but in our consensus that the Cathedral just happened, it might do to remember that the old argument between Huck and Jim has two sides. Maybe these walls didn’t just happen. Maybe they were made.

    You see a pretty common reading of LOTR where the One Ring of too-dangerous power that the allies, Boromir-like, took up during WWII was the Bomb. But there may be an even more plausible reading that the One Ring was organized intelligence and covert ops.’

    Obama and Bush are far too domestic ‘good’ to be targeted by the intelligence services. They are quite capable, with plenty of record, of subverting law and engaging in counter-intel against politic dissidents mind. If you want to see the tool-kit you can see it in Snowden’s GCHQ leaks (HUMINT or human intelligence). It’s less than you expect, but they can do interesting things including swaying pools and washing around in social media.

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    pjebleak Reply:

    *polls of course.

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    admin Reply:

    The CIA is quite obviously rotten with progressivism. That’s why I’m punting on the NSA.

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    This is the strongest evidence in favor of conspiracy theory. Because is there any restraining principle in progressivism? Nope.

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  • Alex Says:

    http://www.nudelmanbooks.com/pictures/400_3.jpg

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  • Kgaard Says:

    On the topic of conspiracies … I am really starting to wonder if American go-grrl music is a conspiracy. Everywhere in the world one hears the same damn songs sung by the same small group of women, all with the same themes: “I am the eye of the tiger and you’re gonna hear me roar,” or “I just need you tonight … need to feel your body … forget about tomorrow … no consequences.”

    It’s over and over and over. There are no variations on the theme. Literally it’s every song in every country. Been this way for years now. I’m really starting to wonder if this is a Bilderberg plot to westernize women in the eastern bloc (and everywhere else). There are no tattoos in East Europe yet, but you know they are right around the corner. That music is a siren song that goes to the soul even if the words aren’t 100% understood.

    Who benefits from the en-trash-ination of eastern bloc women? Who benefits from it so much that they would consciously seek to make it happen?

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    Mike Reply:

    “Who benefits from it so much that they would consciously seek to make it happen?”

    Let me guess: the same demographic who approve of IMBRA?

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    Kgaard Reply:

    Yes but they don’t run radio stations. Seems like it’s higher up than that.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    We know Michael Mann, climate Stalin, answered to someone even scarier.

    We know Ukraine’s government functioned the same way. http://blog.jim.com/war/cathedral-imperialism-revealed/

    Jim believes the Occupy cops were given orders that amounted to ‘go out there and look like thugs, don’t be cops.’ This is corroborated by the riots in England the other year, where the cops were instructed to show fear and run away in most cases.

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  • pjebleak Says:

    ‘Who benefits from the en-trash-ination of eastern bloc women? Who benefits from it so much that they would consciously seek to make it happen?’

    Wrong question. What degree of passivity among conservatives to allow it to happens is the right one. If a meme is blocked it struggles. No constraints it runs free. Simple as. Nobody can orchestrate the memetic spread you describe without some form of leakage from the conspirators (conspiracies are mundane, often relate to intelligence, corporate secrets or anything high stakes – the Cathedral is closer to an unchecked cult).

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  • Rasputin Says:

    “The public sphere is not the battlefield, but the enemy.” This is the Red Pill that makes any form of retreat to ‘politics’ impossible. Urbit and Bitcoin – technologies that have the potential to rupture and reorganise our civilisation, without seeking permission to do so – alongside a deep, far reaching analysis of the engineering problems of government, are likely to be the only way out of this mess; short of total collapse, real-war and death camps.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    Agreed, though to many mainstream rightists this is tantamount to an insult.

    Well, whatever, I can’t stand the ‘public sphere’ anway

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    Erebus Reply:

    One could very easily argue that this Red Pill is glaringly obvious, that it’s staring us all right in the face. The single most common trope of Cyberpunk SF literature has always been governmental collapse (or a more subtle form of exit/evaporation) — typically where corporations, tribes, or other societal structures more suited to anarcho-techno-capitalism pick up where public sphere government left off. (Worth noting that the distinctions between these groups always seem to get increasingly fuzzy.)

    …Whether or not this is inevitable is the more interesting question.

    And perhaps the most interesting question is: What can we do to hasten progress in this direction? Bitcoin and Urbit are a good start, I suppose. More ubiquitous end-to-end encryption technologies would undoubtedly help, and it’s more than passing strange that end-to-end encrypted smartphone messaging doesn’t yet exist. Research into life-extension and AI can very easily disrupt societal structure. Scientific research into the neurological basis of religion may also help; an optimized religion/cult, complete with drug or TMS-induced raptures-on-demand (or command) would be interesting.
    Anything I’ve missed?

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  • strelkov Says:

    Sailer is the American Trotskii. He’s not in power, but everything he says matters.

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  • Wyrd Says:

    Sailer is the American Trotskii.

    Ever Left…

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  • SanguineEmpiricist Says:

    Yes, I agree completely. I have seperated many of my identities but this is my main ‘running’ identity for NRx. Unfortunately Land, you are already in the radar so you are probably best left to a executive director role while the kids try to put it together.

    I think every one needs a bit of security culture, to stop flaming off ethnic tensions that are unjustified and to run a somewhat tight ship. Some basic operational skills will have to be learned, but we have grugq & b3rn3d for that. Just enough to understand exactly what is and is not a risk.

    I have *some* understanding in this area, but there’s a good amount of security culture how to’s for journalists already written up.

    If itrs anonymity research we’re looking for I have a ton of papers and stuff I could write together for every one. But I second this concern completely. It would be foolish not to put in an ounce of sweat for basic concerns like this in preventative fashion.

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    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    This minimum prototype thing isn’t working for writing without an edit function. I think we should talk about intelligence agencies a bit more in general it’s one of the more hostile parts of the cathehdral that have common assosiation with budding political movements.

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    I’d be interested in more.

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  • Backside lifting domages the blain Says:

    Your writing reminds me of all those hermetic situationist texts I read as a student in the late 60’s except that theyused the word ‘spectacle’ all the time , while you use the word ‘cathedral.’

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  • pjebleak Says:

    Lesser Bull: That’s conjecture, not evidence. There is no real motivation either to be found for why the CIA would back either conservatism or progressivism. Neither has much to do with their remit or even their interests.

    @admin: I would be cautious. The NSA is simply the cryptologic wing of the American military and the only real focus it has in terms of politics is ensuring oversight is not overbearing on what they do (and they are quite ‘normal’ in as much as they seem to reflect this core American anti-terrorism angle). They see everything in terms of American interests and advantage in pure geopolitical realist terms. The other area they tend to talk about, even openly, is funding and to that end we see their heads routinely pop up to warn against cuts (and what is needed to defend the ‘Homeland’). In this precise sense they are their own entity, enmeshed in military culture (they call their enemies adversaries which is a distinct term in encryption culture that even their interns use), but one that mostly feeds off the world being a little chaotic. To that end I would imagine they even look away when the CIA gets up to no good because it creates more chaos. It is entirely plausible that a group like ISIS, aided early on by the CIA, is greeted with joy by the NSA because it means the budget will pass quite easily. Self-sustaining self-interest by a group of obscure cryptologic math heads dressed up in military garb. Maybe better seen as a model to emulate than an ally.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    I concur with Pjebleak with the caveat that conquest’s second law still applies to the CIA and NSA.

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  • VXXC Says:

    Admin,

    Kevin Williamson’s latest should cheer you up, and definitely falls into Esoteric forced into Exoteric.

    Five Reasons Why You’re Too Dumb to Vote
    Reason 1: You get your politics from Lena Dunham

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388945/five-reasons-why-youre-too-dumb-vote-kevin-d-williamson

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  • Izak Says:

    The jargon-based esoterism could be useful for the reasons elucidated in the main post, but if you wind up creating a popular image of NRx as something quasi-occult, “techno-fascistic” (or whatever), hermetic, Lovecraftian, blah blah, you can wind up becoming a mark (that’s pro wrestling jargon) for your own hype and allow the latter to dictate actual thought rather than the reverse. That’s the danger of refusing to engage in the public sphere even when it engages with you. You’re essentially going to be in a psychological war with a reified brand, maybe even a doppelganger. That sort of thing can destroy your whole enterprise.

    I also find it funny when NRx people go, “Look at Arthur Chu! Look at this other journo! They don’t even understand us! They haven’t even read us!”
    Well, are they not following the script you’ve essentially laid out for them? But then, the righteous indignation has to be part of the strategy, so I suppose I’ll be witnessing more and more of it as time goes on.

    Incidentally, this sort of thing has also kept Thomas Hobbes from being properly understood by a bunch of people for hundreds of years. I’m not even talking about what I call “zany Hobbes” (IE, Hobbes as understood by Strauss), but just Hobbes on his own terms. The book title he chose, Leviathan, a symbol long-associated with Satanism and worldly post-lapsarian corruption, wound up enshrouding and smothering his actual proposition.

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  • blogospheroid Says:

    I wonder what the stance would be towards prediction markets. The entire shtick of prediction markets is making the hidden visible by incentivizing the holders of any true knowledge. Thus it may seem that prediction markets and the strain of NRx shown here in OP, may not see eye to eye.

    But imagine if the culture of prediction markets was there a few decades ago when divorce was made easier and the cultural conservatives were the only ones crying hoarse about the slippery slope. Divorce rate goes up beyond a certain level and bingo, payday for the reactionaries.

    Cold hard cash in hand makes living in the decline so much more bearable.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    (1) Cathedral censure:

    “Theresa May will announce the measure as part of a widely drawn counter-extremism strategy that is intended to catch so-called hate preachers…

    The home secretary’s new orders would be aimed at those who undertake activities “for the purpose of overthrowing democracy”, a wide-ranging definition that could also catch a far wider range of political activists.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/30/theresa-may-ban-extremists-television

    Hmm… sounds like they’re formalising things.

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  • Wagner Says:

    “Is the silence… intended to be “pedagogic” (or *dema*-gogic? since you are addressing an audience of grown-ups)?”

    Alexandre Kojève, letter to Leo Strauss

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    Boldmug Reply:

    https://imgur.com/a/OM2NE

    Land repeats the Neocon’s mistake of being Athenian rather than Socratic. “Mencius Moldbug’s discoveries in the history of political philosophy had the effect of liberating his students from the yoke of contemporary thought.” *pic of liar Land smiling*

    Democracy: “They all sellout. They all sellout down here, Georgie.”

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    George W. Bush Reply:

    See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.

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    Boldmug Reply:

    We hate you for that George, it’s not something to so flagrantly admit like it’s a badge of honor. This is what I was trying to get at with Formalism. Governments should be honest about who they are and what they’re doing. I actually see the alt right as carrying out my ideology of formalism, only applying it not only to the Cathedral but to myself as well–I am an ideological “mind-sovereign” after all, and like Land, I wrote esoterically, (as is exoterically acknowledged in the OP more than anywhere else on XS). Therefore it follows to render Land and I into (outside-democracy) formality. You probably remember how I quoted Plato’s Republic in one of my last posts on Unqualified Reservations (ah I have so many regrets about that project… I’ve changed so much since then, I’m not even the same person anymore; don’t worry, I’ve been writing essays in between tinkering with urbit and saving them on microsoft word, I’m sorry!, but I can’t say what I want to say anymore, I’m too close to the demos now – that is what being associated with a democratic government entails necessarily) you learn a lot about this in Plato, he seemed to have lived in a similar phase of anacyclolsis, and like him I crafted a “Form-ism”. The point is to get to the underlying reality. If that entails UR being auf’d (what the true chad says instead of ouch) then so be it, what the kids like Wagner don’t seem to see is I’m smarter than you and I’ve been watching you, and I understand you better than you understand yourselves. Auf me all you want, I aufed myself pretty devastatingly in 2016, I don’t expect you to beat that. Most of you are a bunch of pukes that need to make your new year’s resolution “Read more gr8 books, lazy ass.”

    Wagner Reply:

    Alright, I’m upping the ante since you negged me like you want to be my gf, I’m not gay bro. You never talked about metaphysics, and political philosophy presupposes metaphysics. For all Land’s flaws he’s ahead of you there. Who is ahead of Land? Could it be a dead, self-hating Nazi like many of us, only a lot smarter? Heidegger?

    “From all that has been suggested, it should be clear that one cannot read Nietzsche in a haphazard way; that each one of his writings has its own character and limits; and that the most important works and labors of his thought, which are contained in his posthumous writings, make demands to which we are not equal. It is advisable, therefore, that you postpone reading Nietzsche for the time being, and first study Aristotle for ten to fifteen years.”

    Martin Heidegger, What is Called Thinking?

    I asked a Confucius scholar what Confucius would have thought of Nietzsche and he said that young people shouldn’t be allowed to read him because you need to learn how to walk before you can learn how to run.

    Ezra Pound was a Confucius acolyte, it’s easy to understand why when you read Confucius.

    George W. Bush Reply:

    Yes, I am a reader of Plato and Confucius too, and that is why I laugh and laugh and laugh at the Cathedral being destroyed. I can’t be honest. I have many private opinions. Trump, Yarvin, Land, Kantbot, they can’t say them. I can now, in retirement. You first three are pathetic, Kantbot is passable but tainted by the demos. Do you want to know the truth? Do you? I will tell you right now. No, I have better things to do, like water my sunflowers and forget my debt to this country.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Land’s land is that he allows all this to happen. He is behind all of this, do not trust me, I am Land’s puppet. Completely shun me, I am not kidding. Don’t trust me with that either. No, destroy me, that is the final word.

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    Boldmug Reply:

    Calling for your own destroynment? Hwut are U, hwite er somethin? #normiegeneprison

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    Wagner Reply:

    ATOMIZE VERY SELF ATOMIZE VERY SELF

    My pronouns are quarkself, gluonself, respect them or else. Drop quarkbomb on Nagasaki of own soul.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    FUNNY

    Wagner Reply:

    DESTROYNMENT = -4 =ANNULUS = AUSCHWITZ = FUCK SHIT VIRUS = FUCK YOU! = HOLY SHIT!! = HOLY WAR = LOGIN=DJYNXX = POUTING = REMOVE UNKNOWN RESTRICTION = RUSTY-VOW = SEX-SKILLS = WHO IS

    DESTROYNMENT = 280 = ASHLAND TRIANGLE = CORRESPONDENCE = CRUCIAL DECISION = CRYPTOGRAPHY = DARK MUTUALISM = FINLANDIZATION = FIRST QUARTER = FUCKING MOONGOD = HUMAN USE-VALUE = MYSTIFICATION = NICK LANDS ENDGAME = NUCLEAR WINTER = QABBALA UNSHELLED = REZURRECTION = THE (SUB)BASEMENT = THIS IS THE PLACE = TYPHONIAN O.T.O. = UROTSUKIDOJI = WEST IS BAD NEWS

    DESTROYNMENT = -8 = ANZU = CHONRONZON = LETTER Y = NON-KURDS = NUMBER-SYSTEM = SOUTHERN STATE = TRANSLATORS = TROLL

    DESTROYNMENT = GE = HIS NAME GENERATION = SEVENTH THRONE = THE NUMMIFICATOR = TSUNAMI = BLOODBATH

    DESTROYNMENT = K = 33RD DEGREE OF THE SCOTTISH RITE = ALCHEMY = ATMOSPHERE = AZERBAIJANI = BARDO = CHRISTIANS = CIA = EMERGENCY RELIEF = EQ-EQ-EQ = GRAMMATOLOGY = HIS NAME GENERATION = INFJ = INITIATION = IT’S EITHER GOD. OR REASON. OR

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    Wagner Reply:

    Kinda weird that I posted this during the interval poor Nick was absent due to his so-called pulmonary embolism, this brings me much delight. Also kinda weird that if poor Nick doesn’t shape up he’s going to die next time.

    Someone tried to voodoo me the other night, I felt the presence in my room, but the spirits like me so they left me alone. It’s too bad they’ve turned on poor Nick. Who knows what they would do to him??? If someone wanted him dead???

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    i don’t believe in this shit

    so please initiate a curse on me

    and i will get back to you on whether it worked

    also pota question :

    average iq hits the grinder but cog elite iq spirals infinitely outward

    it’s speciation

    i understand you don’t like it

    but who gives a fuck what you or i like?

    correct answer: only our mamas do

    Wagner Reply:

    “i don’t believe in this shit”

    You have a track-record for only believing that which Consensus Reality has given the green light to, but thinking about what you were like the very first time we spoke you have gotten a lot better.

    “so please initiate a curse on me”

    You’re too unwitting and innocent, I could only bring myself to do that to someone who is consciously evil.

    Open up the link to Bertiaux’s book that was shared in the Frog Chorus and try a couple of things he suggests. You can’t just read the book, you have to physically follow his directions or you won’t see results.

    https://imgur.com/a/2qn5C

    (‘Bertiaux’ is an English name if I’m not mistaken)

    Lucid dreaming is the key to a lot of this unbelievable “stuff” in my experience.. . Once you are able to wake up in a dream and sustain consciousness without waking up in your bed some very strange things happen to you.. It’s definitely not for everyone… To share a personal experience which I shouldn’t, one day after a profound lucid dream I woke up and… never mind.

    Wagner Reply:

    *Rohmey’s mama opens the door to his room to tell him his tendies are finished microwaving, interrupting his evokation of a daimon*

    “Rohmey, what on EARTH are you doing?!”

    “It’s okay mama, a neo-nazi on teh internetz told me voodoo is cool.”

    “Wh-what?”

    “Calm down, I misspoke, he’s not really a neo-nazi, he’s a nietzschean with wagnerian characteristics.”

    “Oh okay, that’s fine then.”

    *Rohmey watches his mama’s butt as she turns around and closes the door, a self-assuring whisper in the back of his head telling him “Freud says it’s natural.”*

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    lmao.. rohmey is the nickname for sure

    it’s funny, you’ve already cursed me

    how do i get this bug out of my system?

    like a method actor, i’ve taken on positions that aren’t mine to figure out how someone else thinks

    to the point that its made me sick

    i have been made sick encountering land and you and collen

    what i’ve been trying to do here is not working

    what i’ve been trying to do here has been an impoverishment of thinking

    i’m ashamed that i’ve said anything at all

    and ultimately exhausted and feel that i know nothing

    one thing i’d want to hear about right now more than anything is lucid dreaming so, wagner, please go on

    Wagner Reply:

    Carcasse, tu trembles? Tu tremblerais bien davantage, si tu savais où je te mène.

    Just wake up in your dream tonight and see what happens. It will happen if you genuinely want it to. One trick I use to facilitate this, sounds kinda silly but it works, is throughout my everyday waking day I seriously ask myself “Is this a dream? How do I know this isn’t a dream?” and I find when I’m dreaming I’m more apt to ask those questions then voila I wake up and realize I have unlimited freedom and can will God or demigods to appear. This gets into the kinda overplayed Cartesian notion of what’s the difference between a dream and reality, it’s cliche but it’s actually pretty profound when you stop and think about it and pretend you haven’t thought about it a million times before (which as a philosophy-enthusiast like yourself is probably the case) but if what we call reality “here” is just feels essentially, and when you dream that’s just feels too, it makes you wonder if these transcendental experiences had in dreams lack any epistemic veracity compared to transcendental experiences had in waking consciousness. In my experience the divine (and demonic, be warned) has manifested in dreams in ways that felt realer than the ones I had in so-called reality, so if phenomenology has anything to say about this, the mystics of yore may have been on to something when they said life is but a dream. Further note: another huge obstacle to all this is the excitement that is felt when one first wakes up in a dream – this excitement tends to cause the awakened dreamer to wake up back to waking reality… try to stay calm. Especially when you’re dealing with something or someONE that seems truly evil you will be apt to wake up to escape… A lot of the time it’s discovered these “things” aren’t evil, that’s just their surface level. The daimons I mentioned above are more amoral than anything if I had to say but they’re even more ambiguous than that so I don’t want to mislead you. Whereas if you encounter god with a capital g he/it is ultimately good, but he/it is also inherently tinged with sublimity in other words mysterium tremendum et fascinans, which *feels* like an inextricable mixture of the highest good and the lowest evil.

    Wagner Reply:

    What follows is from LaBerge’s book on the subject; you can easily change the questions into Lacanese e.g. if that would make them more meaningful to you. The point is, when you’re there try not to screw around; this is hard at first, I’ve been practicing for a few years now and I still have plenty of lucid dreams that involve nothing but hedonistic excess lmao.

    “EXERCISE: SEEKING THE HIGHEST

    1. Pick an affirmation or question that captures your highest aspiration
    Think about what is ultimately most important to you. Formulate a phrase in the form of an affirmation or question that best captures your highest aspirations. Make sure it is a question you genuinely want answered, or an affirmation that you can make without reservations. Some possibilities might be:

    • “I seek God (or Truth, The Highest, the Divine, the Ultimate Mystery, etc). “
    • “I want to meet my True Self. “
    • “Let me see the Beginning of All. “
    • “Who am I?”
    • “I don’t know my Heart’s Desire. How can I find it?”
    • “I have a duty to perform. What is it?”
    • “Where did I come from, why am I here, and where am I going?”
    • “What is the most important thing for me to know (or do) now (or next)?”
    • “Guide me to Love and Light. “
    • “Let me remember my mission. “
    • “Let me be awakened. “

    Pick only one phrase at a time. Write down and memorize your affirmation or question.

    2. Remind yourself before going to sleep
    At bedtime, remind yourself of your affirmation or question and your intention to ask or affirm the phrase in
    your next lucid dream.

    3. In your lucid dream, make your affirmation or ask your question
    Once in a lucid dream, repeatedly state your affirmation or ask your question while going along with the flow of the dream. Remember what the phrase means to you. Open yourself to guidance from a higher source. Strive to be sensitive to where the dream wants to take you, and go with it. Detach as much as you can from preconceptions about what should happen, and you will be able to accept what is given to you.

    Commentary

    If you have trouble deciding what you want to seek, you may find it helpful to imagine that the Angel of Death has just come for you. “More time! More time!” you plead. “That’s what everybody says, “ he replies, “but in fact you are allowed the traditional last wish. Most people waste it calling their priest or lawyer, or smoking a cigarette, so be careful. What do you want to do with your final dream?” Putting the question in this context certainly clears away the trivial, leaving what is of real importance to you.”

    Wagner Reply:

    RAW is really good as an entryway into this:

    “(A few days later, in discussion with the former Vacaville prison psychologist, Dr. Wesley Hiler, I asked him what he *really* thought of Dr. Leary’s extraterrestrial contacts. Specifically, since he didn’t regard Leary as crazy or hallucinating, what was happening when Leary thought he was receiving extraterrestrial communications? “Every man and woman who reaches the higher levels of spiritual and intellectual development,” Dr. Hiler said calmly, “feels the presence of a Higher Intelligence. Our theories are all unproven. Socrates called it his *daemon*. Others call it gods or angels. Leary calls it extraterrestrial. Maybe it’s just another part of our brain, a part we usually don’t use. Who knows?”)

    Since everybody in the room at this point had either had the required experience, or was willing to speculate about it and study it objectively rather than merely banishing it with the label “hallucination,” I went into my rap about the parallels between Leary and Wilhelm Reich. “The attempt to destroy both Dr. Reich and Dr. Leary reached its most intense peak right after they reported their extraterrestrial contacts,” I said. “I keep having very weird theories about what that *means*… ”

    Grady McMurty nodded vigorously. “That’s the $64,000 question,” he said emphatically. “For years I’ve been asking Phylis and everybody else I know: *why does the gnosis always get busted*? Every single time the energy is raised and largescale group illuminations are occurring, the local branch of the Inquisition kills it dead. Why, why, why?”

    Nobody had any very conclusive ideas.

    “I’ll tell you what I think,” Grady said. “There’s *war in Heaven*. The Higher Intelligences, whoever they are, aren’t all playing on the same team. Some of them are trying to encourage our evolution to higher levels, *and some of them want to keep us stuck just where we are*.”

    According to Grady, some occult lodges are working with those nonhuman intelligences who want to accelerate human evolution, but some of the others are working with the intelligences who wish to keep us near an animal level of awareness.

    This is a standard idea in occult circles and it can safely be stated, without exaggeration, that every “school” or “lodge” of adepts that exists is regarded, by some of the others, as belonging to the Black Brotherhood of the evil path.”

    Robert Anton Wilson, Cosmic Trigger

    Posted on December 15th, 2017 at 6:35 am Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    WE JUST WANT TO KNOW ALL THE SECRETS, LAND

    WHY WON’T YOU TELL US ALL THE SECRETS

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    Posted on December 16th, 2017 at 4:50 am Reply | Quote
  • George W. Bush Says:

    *sigh*

    It’s time to come clean, America. I went ahead and had Jorge dig through a safe I keep in one of my island homes and fedex me the portfolio of Leo Strauss quotes my advisors told me to “meditate on” during my years in office…

    “To reach consistency the philosopher is compelled to maintain one part of common opinion and to give up the other part which contradicts it; he is thus driven to adopt a view that is no longer generally held, a truly paradoxical view, one that is generally considered “absurd” or “ridiculous.”” (“On Classical Political Philosophy”)

    “According to the Bible, the beginning of wisdom is fear of the Lord; according to the Greek philosophers, the beginning of wisdom is wonder. We are thus compelled from the very beginning to make a choice, to take a stand… When we attempt to return to the roots of Western civilization, we observe soon that Western civilization has two roots which are in conflict with each other, the Biblical and the Greek philosophic, and this is to begin with a very disconcerting observation… I would venture to say that as long as there will be a Western civilization there will be theologians who will suspect the philosophers and philosophers who will be annoyed or feel annoyed by the theologians.” (Letter to Voegelin)

    “By virtue of his rationality, man has a latitude of alternatives such as no other earthly being has. The sense of this latitude, of this freedom, is accompanied by a sense that the full and unrestrained exercise of that freedom is not right. Man’s freedom is accompanied by a sacred awe, by a kind of divination that not everything is permitted. We may call this awe-inspired fear “man’s natural conscience.” Restraint is therefore as natural or as primeval as freedom.” (Natural Right and History)

    “Exoteric literature presupposes that there are basic truths which would not be pronounced in public by any decent man, because they would do harm to many people who, having been hurt, would naturally be inclined to hurt in turn him who pronounces the unpleasant truths. It presupposes, in other words, that freedom of inquiry, and of publication of all results of inquiry, is not guaranteed as a basic right. This literature is then essentially related to a society which is not liberal. Thus one may very well raise the question of what use it could be in a truly liberal society. The answer is simple. In Plato’s Banquet, Alcibiades–that outspoken son of outspoken Athens–compares Socrates and his speeches to certain sculptures which are very ugly from the outside, but within have most beautiful images of things divine. The works of the great writers of the past are very beautiful even from without. And yet their visible beauty is sheer ugliness, compared with the beauty of those hidden treasures which disclose themselves only after very long, never easy, but always pleasant work. This always difficult but always pleasant work is, I believe, what the philosophers had in mind when they recommended education. Education, they felt, is the only answer to the always pressing question, to the political question par excellence, of how to reconcile order which is not oppression with freedom which is not license.” (Persecution and the Art of Writing)

    “Persecution cannot prevent even public expression of the heterodox truth, for a man of independent thought can utter his views in public and remain unharmed, provided he moves with circumspection. He can even utter them in print without incurring any danger, provided he is capable of writing between the lines. The expression “writing between the lines” indicates the subject of this article. For the influence of persecution on literature is precisely that it compels all writers who hold heterodox views to develop a peculiar technique of writing; the technique which we have in mind when speaking of writing between the lines. This expression is clearly metaphoric. Any attempt to express its meaning in unmetaphoric language would lead to the discovery of a terra incognita, a field whose very dimensions are as yet unexplored and which offers ample scope for highly intriguing and even important investigations. One may say without fear of being presently convicted of grave exaggeration that almost the only preparatory work to guide the explorer in this field is buried in the writings of the rhetoricians of antiquity.” (Ibid.)

    “I’ve now understood the Symposium in principle: it’s the ‘authentic’ enlightenment about the profaning of the mysteries by Alcibiades; not Alcibiades but Socrates blabbed the secret of the mysteries. It’s a case of the famous fact that the actual ‘accuser’ of Socrates is Plato. […] I’m convinced that all the Platonic letters (also the first) are genuine: they’re the Platonic counterpart to Xenophon’s Anabasis: they’re meant to show that the author was not corrupted by Socrates: while the author constantly disguises himself in the dialogues, it’s the goal of the Letters as of the Anabasis to show that the one disguised is absolutely harmless, absolutely normal.” (Letter to Klein)

    “Strauss did what no mere Nazi could have done or even dreamed of doing: he boldly brought his anti-liberal project to the United States… . he tirelessly promulgated his ‘Platonic’ critique of liberal democracy in the belly of the whale… Strauss was patient, far more so than some of his followers have proved to be. His purpose was simply to take Germany’s western enemy out of the picture: to destroy Liberal Democracy’s faith in itself. In this project, he has been remarkably successful. In the First World War, a single man in a sealed train had eliminated Germany’s eastern enemy: Strauss should be understood as the westward-bound ‘Lenin of the Right’ in the Second.” (William Altman, The German Stranger: Leo Strauss and National Socialism)

    Carl Schmitt of all people helped him escape the Not-Sees don’tchaknow? Without Schmitt he would’ve went the way of Walter Benjam–bahahahhaahahahha can’t stop laughing at this coming fate of many quackademics and public intellectuals.

    “[Leo Strauss] saw through me and X-rayed me as nobody else has.” (Schmitt)

    “Does it accord with your understanding to explain the connection between “authoritarianism” and “nationalism”–allow me for now these abbreviations–as follows: The ultimate foundation of the Right is the principle of the natural evil of man; because man is by nature evil, he therefore needs dominion. But dominion can be established, that is, men can be unified, only in a unity against–against other men. Every association of men is necessarily a separation from other men. The tendency to separate (and therewith the grouping of humanity into friends and enemies) is given with human nature; it is in this sense destiny, period.” (Letter to Schmitt)

    “For [Machiavelli] the representative par excellence of classical political philosophy is Xenophon, whose writings he mentions more frequently than those of Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero taken together or those of any other writer with the exception of Livy. Xenophon’s Education of Cyrus is for him the classic presentation of the imagined prince. At the same time Xenophon is that writer who for Machiavelli has come closest to preparing his questioning of the imagined prince. Xenophon’s Hiero is the classic defense of tyranny by a wise man, and the Education of Cyrus describes how an aristocracy can be transformed by the lowering of the moral standards into an absolute monarchy ruling a large empire… Xenophon’s thought and work has two foci, Cyrus and Socrates. While Machiavelli is greatly concerned with Cyrus, he forgets Socrates.” (Thoughts on Machiavelli)

    Weird that Xenophon went down the memory-hole–or is it weird?

    “While rhetorical speech is clearly essentially rhetorical, is Aristotle’s Rhetoric rhetorical? … I would say it is not at all… I would say, no; Aristotle’s Rhetoric is a scientific speech about non-scientific speech…” (Course on Aristotle’s Rhetoric)

    I don’t buy it, Strauss. If you can’t trust Nietzsche you can’t trust Strauss, and you can’t trust Nietzsche.

    “Rosen believed that there were certain differences, largely concerning the issue of esotericism, which caused him to separate himself from the Straussian mainstream. As readers of his writings are well aware, Rosen is in considerable sympathy with the courage and generosity animating the “moderns” in their revolution against tradition and nature. Yet Strauss, who according to Rosen regarded courage as the lowest of virtues, was often critical of what he perceived as Rosen’s excessive boldness. It is worth repeating the expression ‘epater le bourgeois’ (shocking the bourgeoisie) that summed up Strauss’s disapproving opinion of his student’s more exoteric writing style… While Rosen has always defended the phenomenon of esoteric writing, it is his contention that our plight today is such that ‘shocking the bourgeoisie’ is far less dangerous than allowing them to persist in complacently nihilistic modes and orders already producing a civilizational meltdown.” (Nalin Ranasinghe, “Stanley Rosen as an Educator”)

    KABOOM

    “Syntheses always sacrifice the decisive claim of one of the two elements.” (“On the Interpretation of Genesis”)

    Kek I mean cough, ethnats vs. techcomms.

    “I want to make one more extended point about the question of esotericism. The simplest way to gain access to this problem is by thinking of ordinary behavior. In everyday life, we speak differently to different people, depending upon their capacity, the presence of an unsympathetic audience, the need to persuade such an audience, and so on. But we do not conceal our views continuously. If we did, we could not communicate at all, since communication, even esoteric communication, depends upon an intelligible structure of experience that provides meaning to our discourse, whether disguised or open. The esoteric or concealed message is communicated to some segment of one’s discursive audience, and the attention of this audience must be captured by the quality of the exoteric presentation. We do not parse the rambling of fools for profound hidden meanings. Nor are we shocked when fools contradict themselves. By the same token, if one attempts to conceal one’s thoughts in an inappropriate discourse, one runs the risk of not being understood because of the perfection of the disguise. This is why Maimonides compares esoteric speech to a golden apple covered over with a silver filigree with interstices so fine that only the most sharp-eyed can see through them to the gold within. We do not search for esoteric meanings in cook-books or treatises on engineering.

    My first point, then, is that an esoteric text is accessible to a competent reader. And my second point is that the practice of esotericism is political; it depends upon the existence of a community of what I will call gold-souled persons. And this is reflected in our ordinary experience. All indirect discourse, whether irony, flattery, tact, or some other modality of speech, assumes a hierarchical audience. The politics of esotericism is aristocratic, but this is true at every level of human discursive existence. It is sheer hypocrisy to complain about Straussian elitism.” (Stanley Rosen, “Chicago Days”)

    “A new teaching concerning the foundations of society being, as such, unacceptable or exposed to enmity, the movement from the accepted or old teaching to the new must be made carefully, or the revolutionary interior must be carefully protected by a traditional exterior.” (Thoughts on Machiavelli)

    “… from the speech on the last man near the beginning of the Zarathustra… [Nietzsche] saw that there could be the possibility—you know, there is no hierarchy anymore… But there should be minor changes. Because these people say, if I remember well, [that] if someone thinks differently he goes voluntarily into the insane asylum. Today you would have to say he goes just to the psychoanalyst; he doesn’t have to be institutionalized.” (Seminar on Beyond Good and Evil)

    Seth Benardete is probably the most bigbrained student of Strauss. To be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand Benardete, I only claim to understand 1 out of 6 sentences he writes, very abstruse fellow.

    https://imgur.com/a/0n3WG

    “The age of the complete absence of questioning tolerates nothing questionable and destroys all solitude… This age of the complete absence of questioning can be overcome only through an age of simple solitude, in which preparedness for the truth of be-ing itself is being prepared.” (Martin Heidegger, Contributions to Philosophy)

    You can be sure that the Neo-cons H8 H8 H8 this order of rank.

    “Heidegger is the only man who has an inkling of the dimensions of the problem of a world society.” (“Existentialism”)

    Oh noes muh (((ostensible))) mastuh was a Not-See’s little twink, a reverse shiksa! Leo wanted us to be shoahed deep down, a true self-deprecating Jew, not limp-wristed hypocrites like us! Hey, Neo-cons, I have a cock I’d like you to suck.

    “What is the core of the political? Men killing men on the largest scale in broad daylight and with the greatest serenity.” (On Plato’s Symposium)

    Ezra Pound said a gr8 book is like a ball of light in one’s hands. Strauss’s On Plato’s Symposium is such a book. I have a cheatcode for that book if someone prods me to share that.

    “Certainly the value of the conclusion which [Kojève] draws from his sketch depends entirely on the truth of the assumption that the universal and homogeneous state [i.e. Full Communism] is the simply best social order. The simply best social order, as he conceives of it, is the state in which every human being finds his full satisfaction. A human being finds his full satisfaction if his human dignity is universally recognized and if he enjoys “equality of opportunity,” i.e., the opportunity, corresponding to his capacities, of deserving well of the state or of the whole… The citizens of the final state are only so-called workers, workers by courtesy. “There is no longer fight nor work. History has come to its end. There is nothing more to do” (pp. 385, 114). This end of History would be most exhilarating but for the fact that, according to Kojeve, it is the participation in bloody political struggles as well as in real work or, generally expressed, the negating action, which raises man above the brutes (pp. 490-492, 560, 378n.) The state through which man is said to become reasonably satisfied is, then, the state in which the basis of man’s humanity withers away, or in which man loses his humanity. It is the state of Nietzsche’s “last man”… It is perhaps possible to say that the universal and homogeneous state is fated to come. But it is certainly impossible to say that man can reasonably be satisfied with it. If the universal and homogeneous state is the goal of History, History is absolutely “tragic”…
    There will always be men (andres) who will revolt against a state which is destructive of humanity or in which there is no longer a possibility of noble action and of great deeds. They may be forced into a mere negation of the universal and homogeneous state, into a negation not enlightened by any positive goal, into a nihilistic negation. While perhaps doomed to failure, that nihilistic revolution may be the only action on behalf of man’s humanity, the only great and noble deed that is possible once the universal and homogeneous state has become inevitable.” (On Tyranny/ middlefinger to Land)

    (Today we find ourselves in a second, much deeper cave than the lucky ignorant ones Socrates dealt with.” (“Review of Ebbinghaus”)

    The way in which the introduction to philosophy must proceed, necessarily changes with the change of the artificial or accidental obstacles to philosophy. The artificial obstacles may be so strong at a given time that a most elaborate “artificial” introduction has to be completed before the “natural” introduction can begin. It is conceivable that a particular pseudo-philosophy may emerge whose power cannot be broken but by the most intensive reading of old books. As long as that pseudo-philosophy rules, elaborate historical studies may be needed which would have been superfluous and therefore more harmful in more fortunate times. (Persecution and the Art of Writing)

    “Nietzsche’s creative call to creativity was addressed to individuals who should revolutionize their own lives, not to society or to his nation. But he expected or hoped that his call, at once stern and imploring, questioning and desirous to be questioned, would tempt the best men of the generations after him to become true selves and thus to form a new nobility which would be able to rule the planet. He opposed the possibility of a planetary aristocracy to the alleged necessity of a universal classless and stateless society. Being certain of the tameness of modern western man, he preached the sacred right of “merciless extinction” of large masses of men with as little restraint as his great antagonist [Marx] had done. He used much of his unsurpassable and inexhaustible power of passionate and fascinating speech for making his readers loathe, not only socialism and communism, but conservatism, nationalism and democracy as well. After having taken upon himself this great political responsibility, he could not show his readers a way toward political responsibility. He left them no choice except that between irresponsible indifference to politics and irresponsible political options. He thus prepared a regime which, as long as it lasted, made discredited democracy look again like the golden age.” (What is Political Philosophy?)

    It would have been plenty “responsible” if the Nietzscheans had won and subsequently framed history that way.

    I recently reread Thoughts on Machiavelli and realized that it is not at all a book as we ordinarily understand a book. If one sits down and reads it as one reads a treatise, its contents are guarded by seven seals; it provides us with a few arid generalizations that look like oases in a sandy desert. But the book is really a way of life, a sort of philosophy kit. First one must know Machiavelli’s text very well and have it constantly in hand. And as soon as one gets acquainted with Machiavelli, one sees that he cannot be understood without knowing Livy’s text very well. One must first read it on its own and try to form a Livian interpretation of Livy, and then let Machiavelli act as one’s guide in order to arrive at a Machiavellian interpretation of Livy. It is in our coming to the awareness of the difference between these two interpretations that one gets one’s first inkling of what Machiavelli is about. On the way one is forced to become involved in concrete details that take time and reflection. For example, Machiavelli’s shockingly witty remark about Hannibal’s “inhuman cruelty and other virtues” only takes on its full significance from the fact that it is based on a passage in Livy where he discusses Hannibal’s strange mixture of virtues and vices; according to Livy Hannibal’s major vice was his “inhuman cruelty.” This is only a sample of an infinity of such charming and illuminating details which, when put in order, constitute a concrete, as opposed to an abstract, consciousness of the political phenomena. Then one realizes that Strauss’s book bears the same relation to Machiavelli’s book as does Machiavelli’s book to Livy’s book. The complexity of Strauss’s undertaking is mind-boggling. It is not a complexity born of the desire to obfuscate; it is a mirror of reality. One must come to know Machiavelli’s enormous cast of characters–Brutus, Fabius, David, Cesare Borgia, Ferdinand of Aragon, and so on–and be interested in their action and see the problems they represent. One must care about them as one cares about the persons in a novel. Then one can begin to generalize seriously. And Machiavelli and Livy will not do, for Machiavelli points us to Xenophon, Tacitus, Cicero, the Bible, and many other writers. One must constantly stop, consult another text, try to penetrate another character, and walk around the room and think. One must use a pencil and paper, make lists, and count. It is an unending task, one that continually evokes that wonder at what previously seemed commonplace which Aristotle says is the origin of philosophy. One learns what it means to live with books; one is forced to make them a part of one’s experience and life. When one returns to Strauss’s book, after having left it under his guidance, it suddenly becomes as gripping as the dénouement of a drama. As one is drawn through the matter by the passion to make sense of what has involved one for so long, suddenly there appears a magic formula which pierces the clouds like the sun to illuminate a gorgeous landscape. The distance between the appearance of this book and its reality is amazing. It is a possession for life. (Allan Bloom, “Leo Strauss: September 10, 1899–October 18, 1973”)

    No one questioned the communist vision with greater energy than Nietzsche. He identified the man of the communist world society as the last man, that is to say, as the extreme degradation of man. This did not mean however that Nietzsche accepted the non-communist society of the nineteenth century or its future. As all continental European conservatives he saw in communism only the consistent completion of democratic egalitarianism and of that liberalistic demand for freedom which was not a freedom for, but only a freedom from. But in contradistinction to the European conservatives he saw that conservatism as such is doomed. For all merely defensive positions are doomed. All merely backward looking positions are doomed. The future was with democracy and with nationalism. And both were regarded by Nietzsche as incompatible with what he saw to be the task of the twentieth century. He saw the twentieth century to be the age of world wars, leading up to planetary rule. If man were to have a future, this rule would have to be exercised by a united Europe. And the enormous tasks of such an iron age could not possibly be discharged, he thought, by weak and unstable governments dependent upon democratic public opinion. The new situation required the emergence of a new aristocracy. It had to be a new nobility, a nobility formed by a new ideal. This is the most obvious meaning and for this reason also the most superficial meaning of his notion of the superman: all previous notions of human greatness would not enable man to face the infinitely increased responsibility of the planetary age. The invisible rulers of that possible future would be the philosophers of the future. […]

    “The First World War shook Europe to its foundations. Men lost their sense of direction. The faith in progress decayed. The only people who kept their faith in its original vigor were the communists. But precisely communism showed to the non-communists the delusion of progress. Spengler’s Decline of the West seemed to be much more credible. But one had to be inhuman to leave it at Spengler’s prognosis. Is there no hope for Europe and therewith for mankind? It was in the spirit of such hope that Heidegger perversely welcomed 1933. He became disappointed and withdrew. What did the failure of the Nazis teach him? Nietzsche’s hope for a united Europe ruling the planet, for a Europe not only united but revitalized by this new, transcendent responsibility of planetary rule had proved to be a delusion. A world society controlled either by Washington or Moscow appeared to be approaching. For Heidegger it did not make a difference whether Washington or Moscow would be the center: “America and Soviet Russia are metaphysically the same.” What is decisive for him is that this world society is *more than a nightmare*. (“Existentialism”)

    “The failure of traditional philosophy showed itself most clearly in the fact that dogmatic philosophy had always been accompanied, as by its shadow, by skeptical philosophy. Dogmatism had never yet succeeded in overcoming skepticism once and for all. To guarantee the actualization of wisdom means to eradicate skepticism by doing justice to the truth embodied in skepticism. For this purpose, one must first give free rein to extreme skepticism: what survives the onslaught of extreme skepticism is the absolutely safe basis of wisdom. The actualization of wisdom is identical with the erection of an absolutely dependable dogmatic edifice on the foundation of extreme skepticism.” (“The Spirit of Hobbes’s Political Philosophy”)

    Yeah Land, I’ll accept 1 BTC for my services here. Oh wait, you don’t have one.

    The prospect of a pacified planet, without rulers and ruled, of a planetary society devoted to production and consumption only, to the production and consumption of spiritual as well as material merchandise, was positively horrifying to quite a few very intelligent and very decent, if very young, Germans. They did not object to that prospect because they were worrying about their own economic and social position; for certainly in that respect they no longer had anything to lose. Nor did they object to it for religious reasons; for, as one of their spokesmen (E[rnst] Jünger) said, they knew that they were the sons and grandsons and great-grandsons of godless men. What they hated, was the very prospect of a world in which everyone would be happy and satisfied, in which everyone would have his little pleasure by day and little pleasure by night, a world in which no great heart could beat and no great soul could breathe, a world without real, unmetaphoric sacrifice, i.e., a world without blood, sweat, and tears. What to the communists appeared to be the fulfillment of the dream of mankind, appeared to those young Germans as the greatest debasement of humanity, as the coming of the last man.They did not really know, and thus they were unable to express in a tolerably clear language, what they desired to put in place of the present world and its allegedly necessary future or sequel: the only thing of which they were absolutely certain was that the present world and all the potentialities of the present world as such, must be destroyed in order to prevent the otherwise necessary coming of the communist final order; literally anything, the nothing, the chaos, the jungle, the wild west, the Hobbesian state of nature, seemed to them infinitely better than the communist-anarchist-pacifist future. Their “yes” was inarticulate—they were unable to say more than: No! This “no” proved, however, sufficient as the preface to action, to the action of destruction. This is the phenomenon which occurs to me first whenever I hear the expression German nihilism. (“German Nihilism”)

    And, as to the substance of the matter: i.e., that Germany having turned to the Right does not tolerate us [sc. Jews], that proves absolutely nothing against right-wing principles. On the contrary: only on the basis of right-wing principles—on the basis of fascistic, authoritarian, *imperial* principles—is it possible with integrity, without the ridiculous and pitiful appeal to “the inalienable rights of man” [French in the original] to protest against the money-grubbing bedlam… There exists no reason to crawl to the cross, to liberalism’s cross as well, as long as somewhere in the world there yet glimmers a spark of the Roman idea. (Letter to Löwith)

    “From a Nietzschean perspective on modern times, the question is less ‘Does humanity need Platonic fictions?’ than it is ‘What is to be done now that humanity must live without Platonic fictions?‘” (Laurence Lampert, Leo Strauss and Nietzsche) This Land doesn’t seem to understand. It’s too late!

    “Strauss accepted Nietzsche’s aristocratic criticism of modernity, and hence of Enlightenment. But he rejected Nietzsche’s radical or rabble-rousing rhetoric. It is easy to appreciate Strauss’s point when we note that Nietzsche’s political effect was not on the aristocracy but on the rabble.” (Stanley Rosen, Hermeneutics as Politics) *shifty-eyes*

    @ the modern-day Walter Benjamins:

    “War has an element of truth which peace lacks. War brings up things that are concealed in peacetime… a certain deeper stratum emerges, a terrible stratum comes to light.” (Seminar on Thucydides)

    Jee, it sure would suck if this happened in America:

    “If we disregard the German high school teacher, if we consider the mass of the Germans, we shall find, I believe, that what guided their outlook, and hence their actions, was merely the crucial implication of the Nazi doctrine, viz. the implication that the needs of the German people as interpreted by the most efficient man in the land are the supreme law, not subject to any higher consideration. To put it bluntly, the Nazi education consisted in this: that they convinced a substantial part of the German people that large scale and efficiently prepared and perpetrated crime pays. I remember the argument of German students in the early 1920s: a country whose policies are not fettered by moral considerations is, other things being equal, twice as strong as a country whose policies are fettered by moral considerations. For 50% of all possible ways and means are rejected, as immoral, by the moralistic countries, whereas all ways and means are open to the unscrupulous country.” (“The Re-education of Axis Countries Concerning Jews”)

    “The philosopher’s attempt to grasp the eternal order is necessarily an ascent from the perishable things which as such reflect the eternal order. Of all perishable things known to us, those which reflect that order most, or which are most akin to that order, are the souls of men. But the souls of men reflect the eternal order in different degrees. A soul that is in good order or healthy reflects it to a higher degree than a soul that is chaotic or diseased. The philosopher who as such has had a glimpse of the eternal order is therefore particularly sensitive to the difference among human souls. In the first place, he alone knows what a healthy or well-ordered soul is. And secondly, precisely because he has had a glimpse of the eternal order, he cannot help being intensely pleased by the aspect of a healthy or well-ordered soul, and he cannot help being intensely pained by the aspect of a diseased or chaotic soul…” (On Tyranny)

    Heh I have had to backspace a few things so it’s not like I don’t understand where Land is coming from. If you are too clear about certain things (hierarchies) everyone will hate you.

    “Toward the end of the Discourses on Livy, Machiavelli declares that he will not discuss how dangerous it is to make oneself the head of novelties which are of public concern: to discuss those dangers would increase them…
    He who desires to introduce new modes and orders, is compelled to retain at least a shadow of ancient modes and orders, if he is unable or unwilling to use force and nothing but force.” (Thoughts on Machiavelli)

    “Much as we loathe the snobbish silence or whispering of the sect, we loathe even more the savage noise of the loudspeakers of the mass party.” (On Tyranny) The whole Emerging Right is united on this.

    It’s definitely not united on this:

    he philosopher’s dominating passion is the desire for truth, i.e., for knowledge of the eternal order, or the eternal cause or causes of the whole. As he looks up in search for the eternal order, all human things and all human concerns reveal themselves to him in all clarity as paltry and ephemeral… Chiefly concerned with eternal beings, or the “ideas,” and hence also with the “idea” of man, he is as unconcerned as possible with individual and perishable human beings and hence also with his own “individuality,” or his body, as well as with the sum total of all individual human beings and their “historical” procession. He knows as little as possible about the way to the market place, to say nothing of the market place itself, and he almost as little knows whether his very neighbor is a human being or some other animal (Plato, Theaetetus 173c8-dl, 174bl-6).

    “The political man must reject this way altogether. He cannot tolerate this radical depreciation of man and of all human things (Plato, Laws 804b5-cl). He could not devote himself to his work with all his heart or without reservation if he did not attach absolute importance to man and to human things. He must “care” for human beings as such. He is essentially attached to human beings. This attachment is at the bottom of his desire to rule human beings, or of his ambition. But to rule human beings means to serve them. Certainly an attachment to beings which prompts one to serve them may well be called love of them. Attachment to human beings is not peculiar to the ruler; it is characteristic of all men as mere men. The difference between the political man and the private man is that in the case of the former, the attachment enervates all private concerns; the political man is consumed by erotic desire, not for this or that human being, or for a few, but for the large multitude, for the demos (Plato, Gorgias 481 dl-5, 513d7-8; Republic 573e6-7, 574e2, 575al-2), and in principle, for all human beings. But erotic desire craves reciprocity: the political man desires to be loved by all his subjects. The political man is characterized by the concern with being loved by all human beings regardless of their quality.” (On Tyranny)

    *backspaces again*

    “As difficult as this task may sound, the great factor working in favor of the would-be esoteric writer is the tendency of the conventional reader to assimilate whatever he reads to what he already believes. If he sees a familiar belief stated in a work, he will want to attribute that belief to the writer, especially if the belief is stated prominently and more than once. If, on the other hand, he encounters a passage that contradicts his familiar beliefs [and/or, it is crucial to add, reinforces the deepest, least conscious, most scandalous of these beliefs], he will tend not to notice it, or at least not make much of it, especially if the passage is not clearly expressed or does not feature prominently in the overall argument or appears only once (or any combination of these factors).” (Paul Cantor, Leo Strauss’s Thought: Toward a Critical Engagement)

    @Logo_daedalus:

    “It was a warm Spring evening, and mosquitoes filled the humid air. Strauss received me in shirt-sleeves, gesturing with a cigarette holder as if it were a baton. He was a rather short man with a thin, high-pitched voice. His initial demeanor was polite but understandably reserved. He opened the conversation by asking me what I did. I replied “I am a poet.” Strauss immediately inquired whether I knew what Plato says about poets. To this I answered something like “I don’t care what Plato says about poetry. I am a poet and I understand it better than he does.” This drove Strauss like an uncoiled spring from the easy chair in which he had been sitting, and he paced up and down the room, gesticulating with his cigarette holder, as if trying desperately to bring an unruly orchestra back to orderly response.”(Stanley Rosen, Jewish right-wing aristocrat who I would kill nazis for killing)

    *silence*
    *silence*

    “Chance is that which is in no way controllable by art or knowledge, or predictable by art or knowledge. But too much depends for man on chance to get resigned to the power of chance. Man makes the irrational attempt to control the uncontrollable, to control chance. Yet he knows that he cannot control chance. It is for this reason that he needs the gods. The gods are meant to do for him what he cannot do for himself. The gods are the engine by which man believes he can control chance. He serves the gods in order to be the employer of gods, or the lord of gods.” (Untitled lecture on Plato’s Euthyphron)

    Ahhh this whole poast is just me skullfucking the Neo-cons, I love it. You gay, boy? Then why’re u suckin macaque? You reverse-shiksas must have forgotten about this:

    “Those which are by nature opposites, the male and the female, tend by nature to love one another. This union is according to nature and is healthy. Those which are by nature similar–males–tend away from one another. Their union is against nature; it is sick… Love of the similar leads to the consequence that the similar always assembles in one place, and that means there is no cosmos. If all elements are separate no composites can exist. Love of the opposite therefore is identical with the formation of the cosmos, of beings which are composites. To simplify matters I will say love of similars leads to chaos, at least from our human point of view, and love of opposites leads to cosmos… [Eryximachus’s] silence on hierarchy and, therefore, the stress on simple mutuality leads to the conclusion that the love of similars is not superior to the love of opposites. There is no distinction; both are equal, which means, of course, that chaos and cosmos are equal.” (On Plato’s Symposium)

    “Disgusting, noxious displays of democratic vulgarity, I will not suck your cock.”

    “Philosophizing is surrender to the truth without concern for one’s dignity and without concern for even the noble, since the truth is not simply noble or beautiful but in a certain sense ugly.” (On Plato’s Symposium)

    SURRENDER NOW

    “…the question arises of what is the best regime. The first answer given by such men as Plato and Aristotle, and Socrates before them, is that in which the wise rule, absolutely and irresponsibly. Irresponsibility in the sense that they are not responsible to other human beings. That the wise should be responsible to the unwise seems to be against nature. But this regime is not possible, as both Plato and Aristotle knew. The few wise are too weak in body to force the many unwise, and they cannot persuade the many unwise sufficiently. Wisdom must be qualified by consent, it must be diluted by consent, i.e., by consent of the unwise. The political implies, in other words, something like a right of un-wisdom, a right of folly. This is the paradox of the political, that such a right of un-wisdom is admitted. The polis–the people–demand the highest respect without deserving the highest respect.” (On Plato’s Symposium)

    Kiss-asses will be gassed. You can keep kissin’ or start suckin’, the choice is yours.

    *silence (omission)*

    “Glaucon believes in justice; this authorizes him as it were to attack justice in the most vigorous manner. For an unjust man would not attack justice; he would prefer that the others remain the dupes of the belief in justice so that they might become his dupes. A just man on the other hand would never attack justice unless to provoke the praise of justice.” (“On Plato’s Republic”)

    I issue this poast as a “Fuck You” to the inhabitants of planet Earth.

    “[Nietzsche’s] account of human decline and renewal involves extreme proposals, proclaiming that terrible deeds and events are preferable to the continued existence of the last man.” (Richard Velkley, Intro to Strauss’s Seminar on Nietzsche)

    Uh oh, what’s gonna happen?

    Here is Strauss at Nietzsche/Elder God-tier:

    *silence (omission)*

    “Moderation, justice, and piety belong together; their enemy calls itself daring and shrewdness or intelligence.” (The City and Man)

    “The Guide for the Perplexed is the most amazing book that I at least know. What N. had in mind with his Zarathustra, namely, a parody of the Bible, succeeds in the Guide in far greater measure…. The guide of the perplexed, or the instruction of the perplexed, is a repetition of the Torah (= instruction) for the perplexed, i.e., for the philosophers—i.e., an imitation of the Torah with ‘little’ ‘additions’ which only the expert notices and which imply a radical critique of the Torah.” (Letter to Klein) I’ve only read a little of the Guide; this may be an untrodden island for shitlords to explore. Jews only really listen to other Jews… RAMBAM could be a possible KO.

    “When a man openly utters or vomits a blasphemy, all good men shudder and turn away from him, or punish him according to his deserts; the sin is entirely his. But a concealed blasphemy is so insidious, not only because it protects the blasphemer against punishment by due process of law, but above all because it practically compels the hearer or reader to think the blasphemy by himself and thus to become an accomplice of the blasphemer. [He] thus establishes a kind of intimacy with his readers… by inducing them to think forbidden or criminal thoughts.” (Studies in Platonic Political Philosophy)

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    “It is the firm assertion of this blog that Neoreaction is intrinsically arcane. We do not talk very much about Leo Strauss. Once again, there are some obvious reasons for this, but also others.” (Nick Land, “Open Secret”)

    If only we had some idea about what these “others” could be….

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    Boldmug Reply:

    “The CIA man caught a splash of forty-five slugs right across his fat gut. He hiccuped a rope of blood and went down like a sack of concrete. The General was still on his feet trying to massa the sneezes when a rifle bullet drilled him between the eyes. He flopped on his face and bounced. In the immortal words of Hemingway “the hole in the back of his head where the bullet came out was big enough to put your fist in if it was a small fist and you wanted to put it there.””
    — William S. Burroughs, The Wild Boys

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    Wagner Reply:

    Let’s see what’s going on here…

    “The attribution of a revolutionary role to philosophy is normally taken to be a characteristic of the modern epoch. Modernity, understood very generally as the age initiated approximately by the Enlightenment, is thus conceived as a revolution against the “grand alliance” between classical thought and Christian faith. In this view, the history of modern philosophy is a series of explications of the revolutionary content of the Enlightenment. This revolution assumes a special form in the nineteenth century. Whether one calls it decadence, or the decisive preparation for the millennium, there is an obvious bifurcation of revolutionary energy. The main force of scientific rationalism, in its practical embodiment as bourgeois society, is attacked by two counterrevolutionary armies, one on the left and one on the right. The commanders of these counterrevolutionary armies are, of course, Marx and Nietzsche.”

    Stanley Rosen, “Philosophy and Revolution”

    “There is, however, a more general problem raised by the Nietzschean enterprise. I have already referred to it as the explicit transformation of the esoteric into the exoteric. Nietzsche attempts not so much to effect an exoteric safeguard for the esoteric practice of philosophy as to identify the esoteric and the exoteric. The clarion call to a self-overcoming of human beings, whether with reference to the superman or to the philosophers of the future, is virtually indistinguishable in essence from the Marxist attempt to free humanity from history and class consciousness and so to transform every person into a philosopher of the future who, in the famous expression, will hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, and read Kant in the evening.”

    Stanley Rosen, The Mask of Enlightenment

    “Higher education” and huge numbers — that is a contradiction to start with. All higher education belongs only to the exception: one must be privileged to have a right to so high a privilege. All great, all beautiful things can never be common property: pulchrum est paucorum hominum.”

    Fritz, Twilight of the Idols

    “It is hard to learn what a philosopher is because it cannot be taught: one has to “know” it, from experience–or one should have the pride not to know it. But that the whole world these days talks about things of which they can have no experience, applies most and worst to philosophers and philosophical circumstances:–a rare few know them, are allowed to know them, and all popular opinions about them are false… In the last analysis there is an order of rank to states of the soul, which corresponds with the order of rank of problems; and the highest problems mercilessly repel anyone who gets too close to them without being predestined for their solution by the height and power of their spirituality. What good does it do when nimble but ordinary minds or clumsy but sturdy mechanics and empiricists crowd around them, as happens so often these days, trying with their plebeian ambition to get close to them and into the proverbial “court of courts”! But coarse feet should never be allowed to tread such carpets: this is already taken care of by the primordial law of things; the doors remain closed to these obtrusive ones, even if they pound and pulverize their heads against them! For every high world one must be born; or spoken more clearly, one must be bred for it: the right to philosophy–this word taken in its highest sense–is conferred only by one’s origins, and ancestors and “bloodlines” are decisive here. Many generations must have done the preliminary work for the origin of a philosopher; each of his virtues has to have been individually acquired, nurtured, passed on, embodied, and not only the bold, light, delicate gait and course of his thoughts, but above all his willingness for great responsibilities, the elevation of his ruling gazes and gazing down, the feeling of being separate from the crowd and its duties and virtues, the affable protection and defense of what is misunderstood and slandered, whether god or devil…”

    Fritz, Beyond Good and Evil

    “coarse feet should never be allowed to tread such carpets”

    Whereas blankslatists/equalists believe….–

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  • George W. Bush Says:

    P. S.

    I did 9/11 on Schmittian, not Straussian, grounds.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    YES LUCID DREAMING IS THE DOOR
    BUT THE FACT YOU NEED A DOOR SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING

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  • Wagner Says:

    @french theory degenerates (yeah you know who you are):

    It would be a shame if this got into the “wrong hands”:

    https://vastabrupt.com/2018/01/07/atomization-and-liberation/

    “A rarely mentioned but seminal citation for modern left activism is, therefore, Plato’s infamous Noble Lie or “magnificent myth” (γενναῖον ψεῦδος): in short, a Noble Lie is a false belief that “would save us, if we were persuaded by it.”3 The activist privately knows that ‘the left’ is basically non-existent but believes it can be forged into existence by nobly telling enough people that it already exists. Activists admit all of this plainly, as they often speak of the need to generate hope in the masses; this is enough to justify the articulation of any particular idea, regardless of its truth or falsity. Only today has the deceptive core of modern leftism come into sincere self-consciousness. For instance, Nick Srnicek and Alex Williams argue rather explicitly that one of the tasks of ‘the left’ is to design more sophisticated lures capable of propelling atomized individuals into effective, collective motion.”

    Srnicek, Nick, and Alex Williams. Inventing the Future: Postcapitalism and a World Without Work. London: Verso, 2016. “Lures” is somewhat cheeky, but not unfair. They specifically suggest that we should deploy utopian imagination (e.g. seductive imagery orthogonal to objective possibility; lures) to trigger in people affects such as hope, in order to mobilize them. This is justified on politically realist grounds (such affects are “necessary to any political project”), just like the Noble Lie. “By generating and channeling these affects, utopian thinking can become a spur to action, a catalyst for change; it disrupts habits and breaks down consent to the existing order. Futural thinking, extended by communications mechanisms, generates collective affects of hope that mobilize people to act on behalf of a better future — affects that are necessary to any political project.””

    A real shame!

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  • Wagner Says:

    @Choronzon, let’s stick to posting here, it will piss Land off the most.

    Yeah I keep citing a couple faggots, Crowley and Bertiaux, but they’re on to something. “Beyond good and evil” has its nasty consequences, they took the brunt of it much like the French, but if you have a strong constitution you can read them and learn from them without being infected by the dysgenic elements of their thought. This is the main thing to be gathered:

    https://imgur.com/a/hIj6M

    Mike you were reticent last time I asked, your chicken-pecking pointer fingers were tired of typing; are they rested now? Would you mind describing bizarre ~paranormal~ things you’ve experienced? I want to know about those more than I want to know about your political thoughts, I feel I have a pretty good grasp of those now. You decided to live in “this world” but I request you give me your idea of the “other world”, I’m really curious. Quantum mechanics isn’t going to prove anything if people who have these experiences are hush hush about them.

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    I think I did end up listing most of them. the ghosts that gave us the inheritance were interesting. I was very young at the time my parents had rented a country house year round for about three years. Its now part of suburbia but in the early 60s was rural enough their were patches of woods miles wide with hidden ponds and lakes and the beach was a couple blocks, it had been a hunting lodge for a large hotel that had been on the beach at the turn of the century but burned down. It was an eclectic mix of rustic stone and pockets of rough hewn victorian. It must have had somewhat formal gardens because their was still a double arched hedgerow at the bottom of the garden through which you entered the more rustic orchard area and the house fronted the garden with a long staircase on each side of which were two of the largest most perfect walnut trees they went straight up 40 feet without a branch almost four foot across. worth more than the house i bet as lumber.
    The ghosts names were mr and mrs Newbold, we new this because the evil uncle who had been their only heir had thrown all their possessions in a shallow half way down this horseshoe driveway that must have been a half mile long. he musnt have realized It was where you entered the woods if you wanted to explore the hidden lake or skate on it in winter. My parents were playing at being the center of a literary salon from the 20s or something, to those that came of age in the 50 and 60s the 20s was their 60s to larp, if you were a child of theirs in the 60s you caught a bit of this as well.

    My dad was pretty successful artist and they both were well educated so our houses became a sort of center of cocktail parties and country weekends for a lot of dissolute artists and intellectuals. Noel coward or piaf would be playing and they would larp dorothy parker and dashiell hammett. Theatre people are wonderful story tellers and notorious name droppers, so really famous people are always referred to by their first names only or better yet a nickname. I had a little teddy bear from sir michael the sir said with an eye roll of course. they repeat these stories never once telling it the same way. Lots of commie jews of course and black jazz musicians and such, and faggots galore.My mother was british and well educated but I’ve come to suspect she changed her accent when she came to america and reinvented herself.Dad was conservative but a serious catholic they both were in a evelyn waugh sort of way quietly defiant.

    so this was like their Nearing the good life sort of place we made ice cream and battled the squirrels for those walnuts the place only was heated by these huge fireplaces. someone was always borrowing the old garden shed beyond the hedgerow that had a dilapidated model T in it to build a boat or Paint portraits.So when we discovered all this old furniture thrown off the drive it became my parents habit to rescue it piece by piece and sand it all down and then talk endlessly about it at the constant parties. because of this we had discovered the names of the previous occupants of the house, and because some of what we found were old billboards for broadway shows from the twenties and even earlier we knew they were both actors of some success.

    So when they started inviting themselves over it seemed really that we were the guests and it was we who they had invited to their country house.The first instance was just after we moved in and before we knew who they were my parents said they woke one night and a couple in evening wear were standing at the foot of their bed as if getting ready to retire themselves. It was soon after that we found out who they must be. The thing is practically everyone who came caught glimpses of them too. I once saw her looking through some trunks in the attic one of the most remarkable instances was one even about dusk my parents were having some people for the weekend and they were all on the porch overlooking the lawn enjoying the sunset when everyone heard some people talking in the garden as if they were walking by a woman kept laughing they all said they could even hear the ice in the glasses and that the sounds get louder as if they were approaching they were at first sure some neighbors were coming up to welcome the summer folk for the weekend but it was right upon them and no one was visible and then it faded off.

    Off course everyone got the idea that these two ghost actors had somehow contrived to
    to get another theatre couple to move into the house and continue the parties they had so enjoyed. And of course a ouija board was bought to communicate with them.As I said i was about 6 when all this started and really involved in two projects one was also building a boat of my own which was way too heavy and sank, actually i had a third hobby go carts, the road to the beach was down hill 2-3 blocks so i was perfecting these go carts from the old wooden milk crates with wheels from old strollers and such. But my real passion was my tree house that over the years grew to several stories high and spread out over a dozen or more trees i had found a pulley in the shed and some rope and with two more soap boxes made an elevator that scared the hell out of dad. But i was all ears at the cocktail parties even after being put to bed their were secret passages and holes in floors and walls i could eavesdrop and their was always a willing drunken adult co conspirator to help a child up to mischief so i heard all the stories.One night our quaker neighbors who had lived in the area since the 1600s and whos granny knew the newbolds were over, their teen son my hero and tween daughter my mad crush sometimes played with us he needed dad to help with a pacifist deferment for the war and these quakers drank like fish and smoked like chimneys now being in the arts more than morality business. Anyway GiGi my betrothed was over playing with us and she had a girlfriend around her age and my younger brother were all playing with the ouija board in the midst of tis cocktail party. Eventually some adults coaxed us into trying to contact the newbolds instead of the sill questions kids ask the spirits. immediately the tripod became decisive and we all accused each other of moving it and all denied. after acouple of preliminaries about who this was and all it began to spell out TREASURE HUNT FRIDAY a couple of times. The adults were a bit creeped out it was so authoritative.

    But treasure hunts are us to kids so come friday the giirls showed up and we began ransacking the house and got thrown out pretty quickly and told to go outside and play.We loved the woods and that area where all the furniture had been dumped was on the way to the small lake we called faery lake, i think GigI just made that up she liked to play with my passion for her and would exploit the gullibility a man has for his betrothed after all I was 6 7 or 8 and she was i think 11 12 and 13 at this time period so iwas at a disadvantage about how the world really was.
    we started to over turn stuff that had been thrown into the woods after we scampered down on our way to the lake. It was all tangled in vines and weeds as well as years of fallen leaves. I picked up what turned out to a small drawer that had fallen out of a hall table or nightstand. As i did what looked like a wet rag or sock wraped around something fell out. gigis friend quickly grabbed it back up and we were able despite the wet and all to see there was a packet of money under the wrap. We took off for the house as quickly as possible.

    It was all soaked together. the parents were all called and it was agreed the kids should all share equally but as the girls father turned out to be a police man and everyone else being good whites and all they also decided they had to report it. but first they set up a sunlamp and with tweezers spent the night carefully separating the bills and drying them. It summed to $4972. which was fortunate because the authorities said it only had to be held a year rather than five years if over $5K. ay first the cops tough tit might have been from a supermarket robbery for some reason but that turned out not to be the case.Ans so a year later each of us kids got our share in an account of course never to be seen again.

    I really loved that house it was the only good thing that ever happened to me in my life really and where i came to really love nature and I guess where i came to really love building things.It seems today I know this sounds like an old guy lament but I dont think todays twenty somethings could with power tools build what I was building at no more than 8 years of age, I know they can code and all but i cant help feeling there’s a helplessness about them that seriously unhealthy for the nation.
    and I had to smile reading aurelius or was it seneca and hear him describe the change over generations despairing of the youth of his day, but then he describes some hollywood elite paris hilton type to a tee being carried about in her chair coach and whining, and i realized its not old people generally its the old people that lap the decline of their civilization that actually watch the decline in real time and try to point out to younger people what the young assume is datum.

    Crowley I think i once told you while i was supposed to be studying at NYU i had this sort of loft and was supposed to contribute rent as well as pass along some family money to the landlord and have roommate to help as well but i kept spend all of the money on crank and vodka and so had to keep getting additional roommates with ready cash come the first of the month.One day one of my roomates adam brings home Roxy who he has met in washington square. Roxy is actually a native new yorker from queens of all places Trump and Archie bunker, but yopu would never know it she exotic. She’s just stepped out of a Tom robbins novel or I should say hitchhiked her way out all the way from alaska, shes been on a long quest it turns out to trace the Illuminati that has brought her back to her starting point. Roxanne arrives just as the police hit also arrives and better yet she actually is a gogo dancer The first dancer of half a dozen i will eventually know although i even today have almost never been to such a club.Roxy doesnt seem like a dancer to someone who unlike me knows they never do.In retrospect she seemed kind of like the faceless ones and dancing was one of her faces. shes pretty hot and seems immune to my charms which is attractive of course so I give the nod and take her cash and she takes the back bedroom. I learn way more than I ever wanted to know about the occult from roxy shes really intelligent and unlike most new agers sems pretty rationally grounded when not holding forth on that crap.It made you want to give it a hearing at least. Eventually she get around to crowley and i say hey i know that guy he tends bar at maxs. She says no that cant be hes long dead, but i have her on my hook now so i let out a little line and tell her definitely not dead definitly the same crowley. Of course i know my crowley is the grandson or something of her crowley, eventually i introduce them. eventually I have some hells angels over for a deal of somesort (very bad idea btw) she tells me they had a patch that said AFFA and did i know what it means i said ‘angels forever forever angels’- blood in blood out, and warn her to stay the fuck away from those guys because when someone really literally could not care less if they live they die or do twenty five to life anyone who cares about one of those things is at an extreme disadvantage. but girls will be girls, and shes on a quest and apparently crowley also has cryptically written something about AFFA. well where is this going hmm roxy brings home Joanne who it turns out was dancing at one of the clubs with the Roxstar and needed a place and happened to be from the lower east side which is where Im from and am having this crazy life thats like the 70s version of brideshead revisited. Joanne is best described as like the part her second cousin marisa tomei played in my cousin vinny, except joanne isnt acting hes the real deal her dads a minor mobster that used to drive me to school in the west village because he had to resupply his bars and movie theatres, another coincidence is Tomei was on a soap opera with my dad and joanne it turns out ominously is a former hells angel old lady though currently no owned ( even stupider than having HA to tea is dating their exes) But Joanne is priceless, I have to say youve never really experience manhood until you have actually owned a woman. It indescribable they will do ANYTHING you tell them to if you told them to slit their wrists and bleed out for you they would they aim to please. A lot of dancers are angels old ladies. Joanne had the cutest accent and was the most jealous bitch in the world but would never dare voice it to me. she would though go so far as to throw the books I was reading into the holes I had punched inthe walls because the books were her competition. and if we were in an after hours club and came back to find me talking to some chick she would witout a word start punch the shit out of the chicks face with all those big skull rings and take off her belt which was an old harley primary chain and strt beating the crap out of said bitch all this intentionally before i would be able to get out ‘joanne what the fuck are you doin” at which point she would instantly stop and look up meekly and say “Im sorry baby did yoy want her?” Oh we had fun One day ill tell you about our chelsea hotel days and robbing the sporting goods store with roxy.

    So a few years almost a decade later when im having these other experiences im sort of in the know as to where to look for an explanation I knew all about crowley gurdjieff Blavatsky Casey and hundred others none of which i wanted to know but even without Roxanne it was the 70s actually the 80s by now and discovered ( ooohhh big “coincidence” living around the corner from the original NYC theosophical society and its books shop across from my favorite NYC shop at the time an ancient arms and armour antique dealer. Im going to go out on a limb here and say while its true i have experience many things i cant explain and at times have been convinced these experiences really were “supernatural’ and now am back to a bit more agnostic but still no other explanations. I spent a lot of time looking at all that and finally conclude it was pretty much all bullshit. In fact id say Im much more likely to give credence to someone who doesn’t believe a word of that that has had experiences than anyone who has, It all contradicts itself or to the extent bits of it seem familiar to experiences I have had to much doesn’t to make me think more than its a coincidence in their lies or tey have stumbled upon something true they didn’t understand and wove it into their web of bullshit. Theres something to keep in mind when judging this stuff. there has always been a lot of wealth and power in the priest business going back to the beginning of time. so to ascribe some legitimacy to something because you have learned that it relied on something very old is a logical fallacy what almost always the case is a faker from the 21st century is weaving in a faker from the 19 century who wove in some fakery from the 17th century and so on sometimes bullshit going back a couple thousand years. there have been superstitious rich women since time began. I learned lucid dreaming and OOBE bytwo methods after it started happening spontaneously. one was chakra meditation visualization the other was a technique i actually have to admit i got from carlos castenada which was to remember to find your hand in your dream or a ring you wear. eventually when you do it will wake your conscious self while you are still asleep. from there chakra and breath are the propellants catholic upbring is the brakes. I have never noticed a golden thread or any of the other nonsense but since in some states you can materialize whatever you wish to which is lucis dreaming i can see how someone expecting a thread might materialize one.I think some have mentioned that extreme vibration that sometime comes after a parting thats not a slip but the thump type, i don’t know why thats only occasional but breath seems to interact with it. As i said in early sobriety this began i a overheard a girl talking about it too and we managed to meet outside our bodies and describe the encounter well enough i was convince we could not be lying. i once found license plates and went when i woke to confirm them and they were not exact but almost. you would think after experience like these one would never stop yet i did.Ill try and explain a bit.

    first of all part of my dark enlightenment was admitting again that while i might be a cultural catholic a sort of defiant west civ position I couldn’t intellectually believe in a personal god. in other words while a first cause crewtaer of the universe is technically as dependable as the other two a universe that spontaneously spring from absolute nothingness or a universe that has always been. No god can exist that has any morals beyond the morality of DNA and no god can exist that at anytime intervenes in the laws he may have ordained at the universe’s creation. And no artfag thats not budhism because budhism like catholicism and all the rest is full of devils and heavens and crazy superstition.So despite this I had enough latin mass an catholic school and movies like the exorcist to be superstitious despite myself. in other words that stuff kind of scares me.
    Its also a lot of work, its kind of like having to maintain this workout regimen of meditation.
    I also think I met beings out there that thought it pretty amusings that I thought there was something i might accomplish out there. At one point i think i did experience evil, i realize its a contradiction but at the time i did believe in god sort of it seemed the only explanation for things like that and AA explained how it worked in basically spiritual terms and i was finally sober after a decade of desperately trying to no avail. I have to admit my atheism might have an asterisk that say maybe a tiny bit agnostic. I prefer neat thinking and really once you open that supernatural box its a rabbit hole so like i said i really think it will all be explained by science eventually. time/space wormholes and super vibration waves or something. I have a biological aspect to my theorythat kinda ties in with some accounts, theres a veil its said that can be torn. I wonder if some are born with thin or incomplete veils and or if emotional trauma can tear these veils. It may be that we couldn’t function if we dont believe in the reality of the wavelength we are tuned into,

    The experience i describe as evil may have simply been cognitive dissonance {Though Im pretty sure that priest in the cathedral of st albans that Samhain was the devil’s handmaiden and all that pagan harvest shit on his cathedrals door wasn’t a coincidence lol.} which means if one has already a thin or damaged veil and emotional psychic baggage it may not be wise to tempt your ability to function within the reality your body is tuned to. the entities i think i met seemed to be saying in a sarcastic way i didnt belong there, ok this is embarrassing One of them asked me what i was doing there I didnt know what to say so i said what i thought was expected i said i wanted to help meaning yeah humanity, well what would you say to a deamon in a monks cowl and cloak if he caught you poking around the atral plane?Any way he sort of smirked at that like it was the stupidest thing hed ever heard. later as i was starting to wake up i overheard myself speaking to him. It might be the strangest of all my experiences. It was morning daylight i was in that proustian between sleep stage at first so my concious self was in my normal state and since i hadnt been awake long i was remembering the whole lucid dreaming i had been doing and as you know when out of body or lucid dreaming you can sort of choose which body to feel you cant really feel both at once and while you understand your awake in a dream awake meaning you know youre in your normal consciousness and will remeber what youre experiencing like any othe awake event in fact that as you experience these dream events they dont seem dream like but wake like except you can do things you cant awake, but this was a third level I had two conscious states going at one and i was eavesdropping on my lucid dreaming conscious self talking to this monk in other words i was doubly conscious and neither was subconscious but only for a minute could i sustain this. So i was able to question this monk and listen to what he was telling me and listen to the conversation as a third person AND i might ad that other third person thats always on our shoulder during the day giving the running commentary was also saying in the background ‘can you believe this youre listening to you of course that normal third person is sort of not very self conscious usually and didnt bother to include himself in the equation but i mean who the hell is that anyway. I hope i explained that well enough. it was bizzare. as i said it was not sustainable for long and the import of it sort of shocked me out of it, i mean not only was i experiencing three selves simultaneously while one was fully awake one was fully lucidly dreaming and the third was my familiar editor and the one was having a conversation with who the fuck know what. I started to lose the concentration of the conversation before it ended as if i was eavesdropping but something they said made me start thinking of something and not listen as intently so i sort of continued to hear the conversation but not understand it while i mused on what had just been said i remembered bits which i no longer do but think are written somewhere but one thing he said struck me he said desire your fears and fear your desires.
    anyway on a more philosophical logical plane I kind of concluded in addition to all the rest if i wasn’t just insane and this was all happening and implied some sort of “spiritual” reality it seemed it was illogical to disregard the larger realitys implication the reality of this reality that by its own existence and our in it and all implies we have business here not there. Wouldn’t you hate to say die and get “there” and realize”here” is the special place that you only go sometimes and you wasted it trying to get back to the mundane “there” evn it turned that there is more real than here it may be here is the only place that feels real. that ignorance is bliss and godlike knowledge is an eternal grind.

    That asshole faker physicist jew auster had me going for a minute with his so called scientific proof that not only could the universe spring from absolute nothing but one of the properties of absolute nothing is its absolute unstable state but hes just the dawkins of physics with an axe to grind about religion and despite supposedly an actual physicist hasn’t the slightest qualms about shitting all over his degrees with pseudo science to back his marxism.fucking jew science is a contradiction in terms. But it did get me thinking about models that have relatives of absolute nothing theres a amatuer scientist thats profound enough he has the ear of several degreed co authors at this point that posuting a timeless universe model of an eternal present well there’s lots of possibilities that could explain all sorts of thing to comlex for blog comments and frankly above my pay grade to investigate fucking math wish i had my grand dads math magic but im only adequate nothing thats going to unravel shit.

    you also hear of people never coming back from these experiences i have at least and you wonder about some of these possession cases that are not nigger explained.But their goes my 60s catholicism again

    I think the way to approach this shit is strictly as meditation. I really cant see how any real spiritual or religious explanation can be justified given the evidence we have. there can be no moral or interfering god just not possible unless hes an sentimental evil sob. so if i indeed met some monk it was likely just an extraterrestrial maybe from another universe but just a slob like one of us. I deride philosophy its not that i didnt really enjoy its mind puzzles despite being a mental midget but in the end i concluded if there is no god that cares then there is no philosophy thats true, all we can know of that possible god is what is written into DNA and physics and there’s nothing moral in there except in as much as all life meaning any type of ‘consciousness that any god might in theory be concerned with has this root code that says life must go on at all costs survive and replicate. from that we could anthropomorphize a philosophical “life is good” but even thats a bit of s stretch but we likes us some purpose so there it is. beyond that we can examine the mechanism and note it doesn’t vary across lifeforms, from this we can again stretch an inference that “god” gnon does not favor us or niggers or fish or viruses all have an equal chance. Land like most of us who were fawned over because of our precociousness since childhood overly values intelligence its not at all clear gnon does in fact hi entire project is how to save ourselves from nigger dominance and its just as clear our IW might be our achilles heel or the great sieve in the sky or even that a bacteria will wipe us out, so no intelligence is not good its merely a potential tool to do good (live). we can infer from the mechanism that though its not favoring any group or strategy it does rely on the individual. The random mutation can only happen within one strand one individual life of any type of or subtype of lifeform. Now its irrational yo then say this has anything at all to do with human individuality philosophically morally etc. But it does highlight that each atomic life has a sort of sacred duty to survive at all costs not in a vacuum but intrinsically against all others. Its a conundrum only an individual may hold the key to save life itself but to carry the key it must act atomically. To me this is the dark enlightenment. there is no light only darkness forever no morality no purpose no philosophy to me this is what nietzsche saw and what drove him mad, he comes in to Kant and dostoevsky and darwin and as physics is starting to hint at what einstein and Bohr would begin to demonstrate and where marx and freud and the other kikes were dragging us, he is born at the end of time and he sees it all of it at once how it all fits and how its its all over, but hes not prepared for it because hes born into the world hes brilliant and brave enough to see it and recognize it and name it but the horror drives him mad if the horse whipping story is true it makes sense that that would trigger the break.but what do i know i cant really read him with my education, maybe in retirement soon i will find some time to educate myself and really get through him. I think of him though not as the other philosophers but as the one who ended philosophy. its not that the others were stupid it was a thick veil they had to tear through it took a couple thousand years of white effort ( hahah dig it arty) to get to the reality.

    and its worth saying also here that at least as far as this little branch of life in the universe the white man as individual and as a race, what may be happening at the molecular level with our DNA all the way up in this strategy thats been patched together is what we think of as ourselves, and while i think unlike neitz we today can stare into the abyss and accept it at least some of us, we are wired in such a way we need to think we have a purpose meaning and we certainly need some rules for the group strategy we have evolved. so the efforts of many of those earlier philosophers who started out asking how should we live and end up trying to synthesize some meaning onto the abyss they are not entirely wasted efforts as long as we understand their and our constructions are only for our doublethink to get through the day or to get along within our race nation tribe family. But that these constructs can never be thought to be more that, the real is only the source code. -I personally must keep my dna alive long enough to copy itself and copy to come to age of self copy anon. amen praise Gnon. That as i keep saying this for our species or at least race ( i have my doubts about the group strategy of some races) can mean we have evolved sophisticated enough strategies ( at least temporarily ) that we can manage fairly complex plan b copy type civilizations, But every time the block chain of social contracts for mutual defense iterates the propensity for bugs to develop and forget the source code increases. This is why i think our religion to the extent we allow the term of irrational historicalism to be used our church should be the church of Gnon the nazi church so to speak or the neitzi church if you prefer. the church of no meaning only life is good the most particular life being the highest good, my life. I am god there is no morality but that that makes me manifest. and at the same time its a christian religion in as much as I am both god the particular and god of the whole body the trinity and the church or the people i am both the god that all is due and the god that sacrifices himself to the whole godhead i feed me children but may also decide to eat my children. This I think is where nazism in a stupid way was correct they understood the evolved need for meaning as well as the conflict inherent in us between the individual that must raise us up and the people that must not perish for that individual to carry through, the need for ritual bonding and myth. for self sacrifice and for hierarchy. Now i am not a neo nazi in any sense of the term i dont have a nazi fetish dont really even know a lot about them im sure they really were pretty larpy in a lot of ways and im sure i dont like authoritarianism being a libertarian at heart. But i say this because some claim we need a religion and christianity is a cucked jew religion and is antithetical to reality so its got to go despite sentimental historical attachments. Im not really suggesting we actually build synagogues to our race, but i think our zeitgiest our philosophy needs to imbue us and repeatedly remind us to come back from our group strategy to our source code and back to our group strategy . in other words keep the balance of the reality and dont go off into individualism or universalism both are heresys to gnon.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Something I think that is important to keep in mind with these things is we have a will-to-forget against our will, and anything that happens to us that can’t be easily incorporated into our everyday egos is dismissed as make-believe. It’s a good thing to have, it keeps us out of the insane asylum, but it also blocks out certain truths. I read that half of schizophrenics believe they’re not schizophrenic, it’s everyone else is wrong. I wonder what percentage of schizophrenics are Actually Right?

    This is why I encourage old-timers to do psychedelics, just to remember… They tend to be very hostile to this proposition, probably because part of them knows that there is a truth that they don’t want to remember. I haven’t had a strong trip for a few years and I hardly can clench the trace that is left in my monkeymind, I can’t imagine what it’s like for people who haven’t done it for 30 years. All a bunch of adolescent bullshit seems to be the consensus. Heh I guess I have a different idea of adulthood from most people.

    You probably think all those weird things that happened to you are BS, yet, if you sit quiet with yourself for a few moments and try to think back, wasn’t it, when it happened, and in the days after it happened, Realer than real?

    All this to say, if I were retired, knowing the things I know as someone closer in time to the Experience than you, I’d be trippin all the time in my little island cottage. If you ask me, that’s what retirement is FOR. Mystical experience, beautiful book, mystical experience, beautiful book, over and over until I’m dead.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Tripping is the feeling that the experience is somehow realer than real. The experience i had that lasted several months i can only describe as feeling like tripping. It had that semi euphoric and realer than real feel 24/7 but not the complete disconnect from the reality everyone else is experiencing not hallucinating except I could go into deep meditation almost at will the way i would now pause and think about something during that period would put me into a deep meditative state sort of like a lucid dream and there i would see things or they would be revealed.the revelations were not in our way of cognition sort of grokking whole concepts.These concepts could not really be later translated into normal thinking without getting that feeling of it slipping away like something you try to remember in a dream, you could only go back to it again in that meditative state to grasp it fully again. What made this state really seem like it was realer than real besides the feeling of it was it came with physiological changes.i dropped about 30 pounds in a couple weeks which made me not emaciated but extremely lithe, I could suddenly do things physically i hadnt been able to like standing from a cross legged sitting position without uncrossing my legs or doing one handed pushups, for several weeks i only ate an occasional apple or glass of milk yet had more energy than anytime in my life, i didnt really sleep anymore i went into meditation. when it first started as the weight seemed to just evaporate my lymph glands under my arms and othe place grew to golf ball size then emptied what i supposed was all the toxins in my body out. I felt like i hummed or vibrated and as i said i remember once looking at a black plastic bag of garbage on the street and seeing that it was made of the same stuff as me and the trees. It was difficult to deal with people while i had great compassion i was sort of a target for being taken advantage of since i had this heightened sense of compassion and oneness i would give away anything asked of me until i began to see this wasnt helping them. I had zero ego no shame about anything i had ever done and no ability to lie, in fact one of the intuitions seemed to be that the way we fall into the less real reality is we lie to ourselves.I also seemed to be a bit psychic for instance i hadnt been to london since i was a ten year old but when i got there i seemed to know the city as well as new york.If i wanted a certain type of book store i seemed to know the shortest route, where the train was how to get back to the hotel after walking all day without paying attention to where i was just going places i wanted to go.

    so no, for decades afterwards i had to consider this experience not BS. Possibly because not only was it so intense but that it manifested in physical things as well and most importantly that it lasted so long, it was very hard to dismiss or forget. eventually while in london i decided i could probably safely drink alcohol in this state. and that turned out not to be true. while the alcohol didnt turn me immediately into mr hyde what seemed to happen was i became aware of evil in the world and felt like it was asking me to join that side.while the first couple months was sort of hindu buddhist like not actual religiousness but still once i felt the evil i got catholic pretty quick lol i mean it seemed the only spiritual weapons I knew of were catholic and the evil was the first time it felt like their was an autonomous force as opposed to a universal force. so it seemed confrontational.

    eventually it all subsided and i struggled a bit with alcohol another year or so and when i came into AA fully and it worked i think because i fully surrendered to it which could be a psychological/emotional process or as they claim a spiritual one or both i became sort of ”spiritual” for many years. and i started the chakra meditations after i started to spontaneously have OOBE and lucid dreams and researched them.

    I went through a hard time after my divorce and started getting mad at god and thinking how silly that would be and thinking a lot about the whole god religion concept and had to finally admit i couldn’t justify it intellectually. which i had sort of known since i was about 8 years old. The problem was although i was pretty positive their cant be a god i had had all these experiences.I mean ya gotta admit Ive had a lot of them. and i dont know if you can tell im a very grounded person, people who know me will say my fault is im aggressively logical and overly skeptical. No history of mental health issues besides these experiences.so its not like i have ever been open to ‘new age’ stuff in fact even despite these experiences i remain pretty hostile to new age assertions and feel most people who claim them to be crazy nuts and liars. 99% of the stuff i read when trying to find explanations for what was happening i immediately dismissed as garbage. So as i turned atheist i sort of concluded their could be scientific understanding of this at some point in the future.I also admitted despite the intensity and all maybe i really did have a psychic break that had psychosomatic physical manifestations. I know that cant really explain it all like the ghosts and the girlfriend shouting in ancient aramaic or a dream i had about a stock which did what i dreamed (wish i could have more of those) All I can say is what I have said and that I think there are lots of possibilities of what i experienced and none can really be said to be certain.

    I used to like to trip when i was in my twenties i never found it addictive though a couple times i did do it alot for periods I don’t hallucinate easily hardly at all actually. But i think i did it enough to decide while its fun and all its not really spiritual its a brain chemistry effect. If there’s a left handed path thats me. I learned everything in my life the hard way. Im sidarthur been through it all and back where i started laughing at my folly. I would trip again wag but while i never have the desire to drink or drug anymore even occasionally bartend for a friend who owns a pub and does events with a portable bar and thinks i make a great bartender because of my personality and i like the spotlight. I have to keep a very bright line between sobriety and not sobriety and can cross it for hallucinogens. there’s also a certain high from being sober no matter what.for addicts the initial sobriety often causes whats described as a pink cloud and that i had and it also lasted several years, but there’s another sort of thing when you go through death illness divorce children’s traumas everything for decades completely sober and present to it. Consciousness is a fascinating topic

    Wagner Reply:

    That’s really weird, and I wish discussions about this kind of thing would become mainstream. It seems when people speculate about wireheading they have in mind pleasure rather than mystical awareness. The death of god could be corrected through transhumanist means.

    The trash bag example is the kind of thing that really perplexes me about all this. In the trip-state I’m a convinced animist, or as Chalmers in perhaps more legitimate language calls panpsychist. Rocks have a certain consciousness, tables, a chicken bone, etc. Consciousness is a continuum, there’s nothing that is unconscious. This is dangerous though because the masses take Monism as a spiritual justification for Equalism – just because there’s one continuum doesn’t mean there isn’t higher consciousness and lower consciousness. Anyway I digress; a few weeks after the trip I reflect on the notion of total consciousness and it just seems silly and unbelievable, but when I’m there in the trip I see the reality we’re “in” now as silly and unbelievable and I always tell myself “Don’t trust your ego self! This is the true reality! When you go back you always forget! Don’t forget again!” and I always forget… though here I am talking about this so maybe I remember a little.

    Yeah but that’s one of the fundamental things I take from N – that the problem of ZOG, woman, PoC, etc. is just the surface, the real problem is the West doesn’t believe in higher meaning anymore, i.e. that there is an order of rank between man and 6od; when that Hierarchy falls away the rest fall away too. We need secular-esque mystic types who perpetually experience a quarter of what you experienced in those months to discipline the flock to experience a tenth of that. But how to get these “priests”? Tripping, meditating, lucid dreaming, long-term monk-like immersion in spiritual texts seems like the way toward that. With technology these priests won’t look very much like the old priests, they’ll probably be more like movie directors and song writers; all it would take to change things is for a right-wing themed movie to be produced that is so good they’d have to put it on netflix and redbox, and that would therefore seep into mass-consciousness. Nietzscheanism made into a neo-gesamtkunstwerk is what I’m plotting, but first I need to be initiated into shamanism for a few years, s’why I’m planning on traveling to the jungle once I feel I’ve exhausted what I need to say here. I know a guy who’s taking the first ‘test’ for freemasonry now but honestly the freemasons seem like normies to me, only heavy entheogens can provide the kind of experiences I’m after (of the sustained, tri-weekly interdimensional variety lol). Some weird things happen to you in hyperspace Mike, if you’re only familiar with acid and shrooms and not DMT-containing plants you have no idea what I’m talking about… I hate to use this word but most of the things people in the West are so sure and proud about are complete “bogus”… When I call people monkeys I’m not being metaphorical. I have an otherwise intelligent Christian friend online who’s hostile to transhumanism and I feel like I have a couple toes in the looney bin for believing this but whites are really not the end of evolution and there are ‘plant-technologies’ available today, that can bootstrap us to further reaches of consciousness… we don’t have to develop ‘tech’ and AI for it, it’s already here, it’s been here for thousands of years, it’s just illegal in most (all?) Western countries, so I’m probably going to go to S America masked as a “save the rainforest” type and investigate these things soon.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Damn, lots of interesting things in that post. I specifically like your description of the triple-meta dream, that’s the kind of thing I want to hone. I g2g though so I’ll leave you with this video which I’ve been meaning to post, and which I declare as NRx CANON:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDzlhW3XTM

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Here i found you a girl i think shes near you too

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ3Xdb-wvBs

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    collen ryan Reply:

    have you seen scorsese’s silence im watching now its pretty germane to the recents discussion

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    Wagner Reply:

    That chick’s too old for me, plus, with that history she’s probably had 20 dicks in her at this point, with those looks probably more. That sticky tape analogy!

    Haven’t seen Silence, glance at the wiki it looks interesting. I think you’re largely wrong about religion and philosophy by the way. You see the catastrophe down the pike for the West so you over-emphasize Darwinism/science, that’s my sense of what’s going on with your psychology. The most glaring fact against you is that you’ve done NOTHING BUT philosophize here from day one. Philosophy and religion have bad names for being vehicles of leftism but we can have them with that sloughed off, hence what’s been happening on this site.

    Well, let’s look at this strategically. Tradcaths might be able to provide a temporary fix to shake us out of our current anti-hierarchical, anti-Absolutist weltanschuuang but long-term if we go with that we’re just going to end up with leftism again. I have a couple Christian friends on the right and they just make me wince. Jesus Christ led to all of this you fools! The last come first, the first come last, the meek shall inherit the Earth, love thy neighbor, it’s no coincidence shitlibs despite their own antitheism often appeal to WWJD as a rhetorical device. It’s because Jesus would open the borders, Jesus would say we’re all one before God, which implies women are one with us, not below us. So religion as we know it has given religion a bad name. A religion with Darwinian/Nietzschean characteristics on the other hand? Yeah Mike you larp like you are a common man with an eighth grade education, really your feigned modesty looks bad on you, knock it off. Guys like us, could we be religious, i.e. mindlessly dogmatic/ritualistic? Highly doubtful. Could we “play along” for the women, children, and dumbdumb men so that they don’t lapse into nihilism? I probably could. I’m not playing along with Christianity because I see how it reinforces leftism, but had we a Church that enforces eugenic, life-enhancing values? Yeah I easily could sit there every Sunday and politely banter with the laity and tell my kid and wife Yeah I believe all this shit, because that’s what they need to hear. Not everyone has access to freedom like we do without becoming apathetic and suicidal. Yes I despise the concept of the noble lie but if I just went up to a normie and started telling him what I really thought about thinks he’d probably become a junkie and contract AIDs from a hooker and die very shortly.

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    Wagner Reply:

    *Sino-Trans Land voice* Get off my brog you hoorigans!

    collen ryan Reply:

    I saw silence on amazon prime for free and read the wikki half way through, because i watched my self get triggered first about halfway in when a jap guard lectures the priest on basically western hypocrisy. i watched myself switch to the jap side in a matter of minutes. and rewound a couple of times to see how it was done and more or less concluded scorscesse had just pushed all the a tear in the hand of an oriental man buttons the left had installed in me since the 60s. But it made me think the movie was irony wrapped in irony anon and probably the biggest was what scorsese thought he was doing and what was really happening to this neo nazi. But then i wondered maybe i misunderstand scorsese after all he did make my fave apocalypse now maybe hes a crypto reactionary or maybe he is and doesn’t know it. A little farther on in the film the priest makes a speech about truth being universal which sort of amuses the japanese inquisitor. from a reactionary perspective at least this reactionary Im “philosophically with the japanese just not for the reason scorscesse thinks i ought to be. In fact i think hes done a great case for arguing against universal truths, so great as i said a i started to wonder if he actually meant to argue against objective truth rather than just against it when whites are speaking it. It was also tying into artxnells bs and in what we had discussed and you just now brought up again his christianity hopelessly cucked. I think the movie argues it is in a very reactionary.

    I have been a trad catholic. not only raised one beginning pre V2 but later tried the tridentine route. I didnt have a bad catholic experience i came out of it thinking even while still sort of believing i believed that if you had to be a religious and an intellectual catholicism was the way to go, not that there havnt been brilliant jewish and prot theologians just catholics put a lot of fire power into defending something pretty absurd and pulled it off.That said I dont think i ever really believed I found a book on evolution as a very young child I think second grade and gave my teachers hell from then on. You just well i just dont do doublethink well. I get what youre saying that couldn’t we do doublethink for our civilization.Well i did a defended religion generally and catholicism particularly until fairly recently. On the basis that mankind was better off with religion than without it kept us civil.But deep down i knew it was a noble lie.which was my point to art that the truth shouldn’t have been told, that anyone elite enough to know the truth should have been wise enough to understand why it shouldn’t be uttered that it was in fact their duty to perpetuate the noble lie. which ties into my idea that elites must be controlled by culture as well as law.
    but red pilled you really have to get honest and ‘philosophically ‘ christianity is to the left of marxism. Its only because states have recognized this and pre industrial staes were much more powerful in relation to the individual and masses that they could translate christianity and control to some extent the church to keep the christian leftism from spiraling to its logical conclusion. but marx and the jew immigrants come to the west for a perfect storm of the transition to industry and the distributed [power that brings and so marxism can turbocharge its message with the christian legacy and the industrial revolutions stresses. But we can never go back and undue that. marxism could sustain its class warfare once the economy social systems adjusted but it never conquered the slave morality completely in fact as we know it put it back into service in marxism 2.0 multiracial redistributionist, the point being we may have adjusted economically to industrialization that doesn’t change that power is still widely distributed and we can not have the powerful masses thinking like slaves and christianity is a slave religion. even if the marxist jews were not repurposing it good whites would. we need to finish what the leftist started. It is sad it is our history and it did serve us well in many ways but things changed and so must this aspectof our culture. Its worth reiterating what i hinted at yesterday that it was so sucessful because it does trigger social genes we have and those genes can be used in a more nazi like religion which i described as rabid individual survival in service to the group survival is kind of christian like so maybe you could riff on it a bit but honestly i dont think any supernatural superstition should be lawful, special gnosticism breeds priesthoods vying with the state for power or higher authority, and unverifiable gnostic knowledge can be said to mean anything. I still know trad catholics last spring I was at ones house whos semi disabled abandoned mother. it turns out she takes communion daily, but guess what this woman delivers it, they actually asked if i wanted to receive i resisted whipping her out of the house for defiling the host lol. but you see the problem shes not a female priest just the female amazon delivery person of the pre transubstantiated eucharist for trad christians who want to take communion daily. Idaho is very religious sounds like you are from a similar area. we have a rather mixed group of the more conservative christians lots of catholics, mormons, mennonites and born agains. And yes this has kept it pretty resistant to a lot of leftism but its going to fall and soon I can see it and christianity is going to be a big reason. The way to see that is to think about how it resembles say america 100 years ago and the only way leftism then could possibly enter was through christianity well thats whats happening it cant go around so its going in. also we are starting to get some internet at speeds that are meaningful and cellular internet and even a bit of satellite tv so the cultural rot in the lowest class and the youth.
    I really come to nazism not from nazism i have reaally no knowledge of what goes on over there with the actual neo nazis, well i have read or watched a tad of spenser etc but im saying im coming from the libertarian enlightenment side to nazism because I think its the only relio cultural glue that is defendable and will work genetically, it doesnt need to be heavy handed like actual nazis but it does need to be explicitly clear that the purpose of ur nation our state our culture is the preservation of our people and that thats not just ok thats the meaning of life the torch that must be passed.

    I dont think Im actually larping the 8th grade schtick, its an actual fact i was basically thrown out of five high schools in less than two years without any giving me credit and a few years later managed to bullshit my way into NYU which is what i was supposed to be doing while i was living with the hells angels chicks and roxy, you can imagine how that ‘weekend at the college’ ended. a few more years later i bought my way into the new school for film production and again drank and drugged my way out in a semester. I don’t just cite my 8th grade degree i also cite i have several time tested about 130 IQ I know that while Im better read than a lot of doctorates i have met i am also never got the lectures and such that go with the books or read them in wrong order so missed things there have been huge advantages to not doing university mainly Im open minded. I dont think its a larp either way its just non typical and I can understand why some might dismiss me on say some writing or even not learning a field of employment thats academic so most with my iq might be less well rounded they all have at least one academic specialty that they chose often as a career i dont i went into building trades. I do know i can pass better in person than writing.

    Oh you said noble lie too well yeah thats what a lot of culture not just religion is, but while i did defend religion to keep the average joe from dying of crack and aids i thought that back when i was resigned to multiculturalism, Now I no longer think it remotely sustainable and am thining about a white nation i think we could handle non religion at this point in time we are practically there anyway it would probably be harder to reinstitute religion than finish deleting it. yes there are white that are no better than niggers. My opinion and i slum a lot is half of them are rehabitable basically victims of bad elite leadership maybe evil elite leadership. the other half i intend to eliminate PDQ. sterilize incarcerate and cut off welfare and shoot on sight if they break any laws. as i have said without the multicult we could probably chop the left tail off completely in a generation and simultaneously offer free genetic modification of all future embryos from day one so as to raise the right tail quite a bit as well. there’s always going to be a range but we will strive for greater uniformity for more efficient stable civilization. we better because east asians just do this naturally since forever.
    I dont think we need strong presbyterianism or nazism for that matter to keep the proles happy and productive we need to support them in what is good for them and us they want to work and raise families give them some healthy pastimes and things like a military tradition destroy feminism and reward tinkering in your garage on things and they will be fine.

    rohme Reply:

    the proselytized japanese villagers being crucified on foreshore and slowly drown by the rising tide was one of the greatest cinematic scenes of this decade if not this century

    apocalypse now was coppola btw

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  • collen ryan Says:

    LMAO Thats some insidious hate doubt the alt right could top that even with over dubbing. NRX thinks Disney was a prophet they have a point.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Oh man, Artxell, /yourguy/ Aziz Ansari…. hahhahahahhaha

    There’s no future in the West for the Indian male. This is just karma, as I’m sure you’re aware of on a higher level than me. If you shuck the leftism now and start teaching tantra and meditation you may reincarnate as a white male, just maybe!

    Ooooh I love those synchronicities…

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Never heard of this guy, had to Google him. He’s an American-born citizen, born into an Arab (Western) religion, of Indian ethnicity. You’re an American-born citizen, born into another Western religion, probably of European ethnicity.
    You’re clutching at straws, Waggy, in a way that merely confirms acknowledgement of the defeat you and collenic merely brought upon yourselves. Trawling the entertainment culture you despise so as to flick shit-dust in my direction; from another post, no less, to which you’ve retreated; only reduces you to a peculiar self-despicability.

    On karma, 5:50

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-FrTSeWUrs

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    Wagner Reply:

    “All is emptiness. You call it shitting in the street, O foolish occidental android, while I call it emptying emptiness onto emptiness. Will you ever realize the truth?”

    collen ryan Reply:

    so Arty You were born a buddhist? kind of unusual for an indian these days no? Or was there a guy you were hot for at a yoga class that was’ into buddhism’ and youve been saying youre a buddhist ever since?

    collen ryan Reply:

    hey arty youre a smart guy, maybe you can help me with the math, I cant sem to resolve the population history with the reincarnation model.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Typical! Cheeky Westerner (Occidental android) pinching (appropriating) the cultural capital of Oriental wisdom! 😉

    Regarding the Matlock, I keep an open mind. If you research into the ideas, they all stem from a 19th-century Englishman, a very good chap by the way, who was plagiarised by Mme Blavatsky and influenced the entire spectrum of 19th and 20th-century spiritual movements in the West. He also reformed the insane asylums of Britain, after being shocked by their conditions.

    Derrida’s ideas, all of them, and much more, are in Buddhist and Hindu philosophy. As I’ve said before, there are more direct links, anyway. Scepticism is a direct Greek reflection of an Indian origin.

    Calling out appropriations as being appropriations is not racism. Not that you and collenic have any grounds to complain on that score, lol.
    Of course, Aurobindo was great, but he’s well known and recognised as a global figure. He was a reformer, too, I think. Auroville is named after him, I think.

    I did try to put some Buddhist philosophy, introductory book I read right at the beginning, in a comment the other day. It was too long, was busy so I didn’t break it down into smaller sections. I’ll see if I can dump it on the other post.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Notice he has link to a white guy to explain his religious pose of the week.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You look into that Gene Matlock character he cited for his kangz theory? He equates Moldbug with L. Ron Hubbard when he takes that guy as a philological prophet lmao

    “Names of places in India sound like Jewish words, *therefore* Of Grammatology might as well have been written by a Haji.”

    Here’s the kind of Indian I wouldn’t mind shooting the shit with while exploring the stars:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0ahUKEwi68b_-h9vYAhUETt8KHaVUBk0QFghvMAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aurobindo.ru%2Fworkings%2Fsa%2F18-19%2Fthe_life_divine_18_e.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0u5HmdHHZavcDEQ_KIPN9N

    Arty seems like he has a PhD in anti-white racist rhetoric; all that will be good for in the coming years is as a bullseye on his forehead.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Yeah i hit his ebonics link, it was def we niggers wuz greek philosophers look at the brothers on the pottery level shit.

    But if you look at the effort hes gone to be the self appointed nrx loyal opposition on his blog, yet he hasn’t read any of it doesnt understand it even a little, and has not yet gotten a comment by anyone you almost feel sorry for the gay gunga din, you can just see him bragging at his 7/11 job all day about his windmill heroics when he gets home and puts on his saffron sari to do battle with the fascist philosopher moldberg and his evil sidekick the dastardly land.

    the deconstructspeak .. i have never given that shit the time of day its just garbage. But if i were a nigger id be all for it I mean what else can they do. This is what comes of being too familiar with the servants.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    We’ll get some piping diagrams drawn up to help you understand Derrida. Friedrich Nietzsche is all hydraulics, more or less, so could be a good jumping off point. If you watch Brazil, there’s a lot of piping; it cinematically signifies totalitarian control. No pills required, to break out of it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    lmaorotf in fucking tears so now were quoting Blavatsky and lamenting deriida stole from the niggers. ARTY listen the fuck up derrida and all the rest our shit so its no surprise their shit and your peoples shit looks like shit, if you dont want people stealing you shit dont leave it in the street.
    Yes brazil was a funny movie as i recall back in the 70s but i was surely a bit pozzed back then.from the current years perspective its the cathedral full of deriddas in the universities NGOs and state dept shitting down your throat and telling you it will make you sound like a white man.It doesnt it makes you sound like an ghetto nigger that wants some free shit.when they were first spouting that shit it sounded like some ghetto jew niggers wanting some free shit, free shit is for the useless.

    How many times must i tell you I am done with philosophy and universal truths, the only truth i can afford to care about now is that my people are drowning in useless niggers that the jews have incited with useless derrida and w the slants are going to take advantage of the situation if they can unwind their debt bomb. after i have dislodged the useless niggers. The only philosophy i will be interested in is the particular truth of my peoples survival.

    Wagner may disagree with me but at least he understands me, you are dense and smell of ghee.
    totalitarian control is necessary for nigger control dont you understand the first fucking thing? only whites slants and jews are capable of self organization in a modern economy and slants and jews self destruct through corruption so they can only really be parasitical. It is you and derrida that argue for world govt total control because it at least feeds useless niggers like yourselves and the jews get to rule you.
    I have a simpler plan nigger eradication. just eliminate all the useless mouths and parasite breeds like slants and jews. its the alexandrian school of philosophy just take out your sword and cut the niggers in half problem solved.
    I doubt you could handle hydraulics and hydronics its too yang for hijira brain.and the guy in brazil was a tinknocker not a fitter airside totally different fluid dynamics.

    If you want to keep an open mind about the provenance of your eastern thought you ought to follow the real scientists doing genetics and genetic linguistic comparative research its looking like some white boys actually did most of the good stuff you claim then stupidly got miscegenated into your peoples niggarliness only managing to keep a modicum of caste respect for lighter skin as a proxy for intellingence that sadly doesnt seem to hold up, light indians are really no smarter than the dark ones.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Brazil was a 1980s film, not 1970s.
    Let’s talk about the provenance of your incompetence on the other post, not only yours, but all of you. There is no escape from the evidence on that webpage. You could get Nick Land to suppress it, of course. But that would only be more of an admission of your failure.
    Your low-level, cliched understandings; based on USA misunderstandings and misappropriations, circle only in an economy of dumbed-down stupidity. You already demonstrated that stupidity on the other post, in practice. That’s why you’re resorting to secondary, political justifications and aggressive invective; it covers up your blatant inability. You’re a genocidal, status-obsessed shithead, with an inferiority complex.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Seeing as you’re so insistent about the servant familiarity point, you can use the tradesman’s entrance on this blog, in future. I suppose bigots need to know their place, they feel disoriented otherwise.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “You occidental androids are bigots, you irrationally despise ‘the Other’.”

    Meanwhile, back in India…

    https://twitter.com/Amazing_Maps/status/652955633273192448

    Cousin-banging is in your blood, much like with your Jewish-masters.

    “Miscegenate, miscegenate, miscegenate”, projection, projection, projection.

    Not like I’d expect a cousin-banger-blood to understand this…

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Your fake quotes only reveal your inadequate understanding, Waggy. I didn’t say all Occidental androids were bigots. Neither did I say that despising was irrational, because any attitude has its own logic and reasoning. The attribution of ‘rationality’ or ‘irrationality’ is always supervenient on some conception of rationality and on some delimited field of its application.
    That map, if it’s even accurate, merely shows the rural, hillbilly practices of the globe. So what? To be honest, that probably characterises you and collenic. Your overall rationality is ‘inbred’ enough to suggest that. Waggy, just for your information, miscegenation is interracial relationship, not cousin-marriage. I know that you and collenic don’t speak English, being American and all, but I hope that helps.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Let’s talk about the provenance of your incompetence on the other post, not only yours, but all of you. There is no escape from the evidence on that webpage. You could get Nick Land to suppress it, of course. But that would only be more of an admission of your failure.

    @ ART
    specifics wog specifics, we keep telling you spit it out man say what it is you find untrue and what you assert is true and why the difference otherwise we can not teach you

    @ wag so i finally read the sailor piece above and was of course reminded of my incorrigible dogmatism that’s seems no incorrigible enough for the nigger yet too demotic for the whites. I have said this in many ways but Ill say it again in honor of the post we are commenting on. I think the cathedral is brilliant and pretty inevitable it just needs after we kill them and take it from them to be tweaked in a healthier direction. My insistence on democracy being the only government whites will endure when not under war powers, has always have the caveat that its nothing to worry about, hierarchy will always be preserved as long as government is good and just because white proles have a much better sense of their place in the world than your average elite, they do not pretend know how to rule they simply want to go about their business and family matters. Like all apes they have an innate and fairly accurate fairness calculator but also a fairly accurate cost benefit calculator thus they will allow more cheating than is fair because being outside the structure its all or nothing for them this is going to lessen with technological advancement though it will always be a factor.In short democracy is as the cathedral has demonstrated mostly a formality and primarily a emergency brake short of war. The evil genius of the cathedral democracy is it makes proles complicit in their own disempowerment they technically voted the bums in. The thing is what is actually good for the proles ( as opposed to what elites may have instead told them or neglected to tell them is good for them) is also good for the nation and so for the elites. cheating your livestock of their needs, any farmer can tell you is a losers game. The pigs may not be able to protest but its yourself you ultimately cheat.But the brilliance of cathedrals doesnt stop with potemkin democracy the same mechanism used to get them to vote for what needs to be voted for can be used to actually raise them to truly understand why it needs to be voted for. i know as an american its hard for us to see this with so many niggers and whites pulled down by niggerization of culture, but if you look at swiss cantons and even socialist scandinavia the electorate is capable of a fairly sophisticated nuance understanding of policy, unfortunately the nuance tends to be fairly leftist nuance because like ours their cathedral is pozzd, but the point is proles have more intellectual ability than we currently give them credit for of course this was part of the pozzing that whites cant be trusted to not be greedy racists and niggerization. Imagine what with cathedral control we could mold proles into both at the physical and intellectual level given 50 years. On the other hand moldbergs proposal to turn the cathedral over to jew techlord trillionaires seems like well the stupidest idea i ever heard and exactly where we are already heading.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    @ wag
    something else i was reading also reminded me, i have claimed that a lot of leftism was bound by the historical denouement to happen, perhaps not as vindictively if we had kept the jews out or down but that because of things like the transition to industrialization and rapid information from agriculture and aristocracy we were bound to predictably decide to try certain paths, but that the fact of swinging to far or swinging at all towards these ultimately failed solutions should not be allowed to stubbornly fail to learn from them. Im sure land who is about my age was pretty fucking pozzed in the 70s, even i who discovered darwin and ayn rand really early could not help see things from a fairly liberal bias. In fact you sort of had to be really stupid or one of the smartest people on earth to not think the left had some points worth considering. if you look at the entire history of leftism sympathetically this was always the case.history presented them with problems to which leftism seemed an at least somewhat reasonable way to proceed, often it seemed to be or according to current knowledge or morality the only way to proceed. as i said above assuming that today given today’s experience and current knowledge we should make the same choices, obviously we in nrx have not made the same conclusions and its reasonable to think eventually others will not either. But it is worth keeping in mind why our more conservative great and great great grandfathers did make these choices. Often there was some truth in the liberal argument or some catch 22 in the conservative morality. We just spoke of war, it has a definite place and i have recommended a nation maintain a martial ethic, at the same time its a terrible thing not to be engaged in lightly. Moldburg justifies slavery and hes right some are only worth a bowl of gruel for what can be produced in a day but is that really a good bargain for us obviously it may have been our downfall despite the fact we are the only race to outlaw it its been an insidious entry point for the infernal jews.women’s status is a catch 22 that whites found themselves in. almost any leftist thread can be traced to something that really did need some rethinking.often the thinking became so radical because admitting reality was put off to absurd lengths which is why leftism is now a laughing stock and sure to be at its apex, that doesn’t mean we couldn’t again become the ones denying reality.

    @ artx

    so batty boy are you fully pozzd? I mean to you think you are also equal to a sub saharan nigger or do you only think your people are at least equal to europeans? come one admit it you’ve been nibbling on that red pill, I bet you even brag about what castes you’re above when among shit eaters.

    speaking of which some nigger security guards are claiming kevin spacey wouldnt acknowledge them and was overtly racist to them. That pretty cool considering he did it in front of all those hollywood libtards, I knew i liked him. But theres a question what do you do with a talented faggot. I say we allow him little nigger children vacations
    (which he was know to take)and warn him its the death penalty for exceeding those winks or admitting hes a faggot, he seemed to get the rules i just proposed but cheated and got caught. eventually we can just edit out his faggotry in vitro.

    Artx so when you can edit out you shitskin are you going to go for it? what white do you want to look like? Bette Midler?, no she was a jew and that wont do by that time.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Thats funny arty I actually have an old “tradesmen entrance” sign on the front door of my three million dollar brooklyn townhouse which makes me smiles still every time i have looked at it this past decade. When you include my untaxed benefits like IRA plans pensions Medical supplemental unemployment the whole hourly package my agents have negotiated with my employers $116. an hour double for overtime I make 211,000 a year for a 35 hour week which is really more like 30 hours in practice.And i can work as much OT as I want being a much in demand white guy. so dont think i decided to go into or stay in the trades because i had no choice, i thought about going back to university after i got sober. But honestly how many university grads can make that in a 30 hour week and if they want take six months off every year or skip year no questions asked? yes i must endure certain social aprobrium much like a nigger, i do in fact have to use servants entrances going into the buildings i work on, white women on the subways assume seeing me in my carharts i am low class and poorer than them and a great fuck. But i take my servants satisfaction that their only real skill is pushing papers around while i am basically an amatuer scientist and when the shtf i will survive and they will not. I also know because what i do is intellectually challenging and physically challenging and that idiots like yourself are earning quite a lot for absolutely nothing of value im confident Im worth every penny and actually am laughing at whats about to happen, has been happening for decades, as I and my fellow last whites age out of the guild system now overrun with incompetent affirmative action niggers who thought the union wages were because of magic union dirt not white talent so thought if they could get the jews to help them steal it they too would get wealthy instead they find they have inherited the wind as other whites question why if niggers are to do the work to nigger abilities they should pay white wages when they have to additionally nigger kit the industry, so what used to be done on the job by whites is now done in a factory in asia and niggers try and install it, even this they cant do without a white man like me to patiently guide them through half a dozen misses until they get lucky. so we will build modularly with robots and very very soon whites will wonder what the fuck are we doing with all these useless niggers in our countries. Currently most elite whites are so stupid they cant change a tire but hilariously assume a white that can must be like a nigger makes sense right, so currently all those elite whites assume niggers are building things that really whites are keeping them from destroying. once that becomes clear even goodelite whites will understand your uselessness is absolute uselessness and resent the cost ind insolence. and even if they dont they simply can not afford it anymore and will certainly resent the bread being taken out of their own mouths, so far its only prole whites and millenial whites who are being made to feel the hunger soon those kids will not be so young which is already happening.
    so yeah Ill take the servants entrance and the practical knowledge that comes with working with the real over the bullshit theoretical lies of nigger worship

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  • Wagner Says:

    @Mike this feminine take on war struck me:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts

    “How does this maek u feel?”

    Granted it may just be the RIP/sexy accent, women do see things differently than us and we should appreciate it before we smite them.

    This is the reason I could never be gay: only women give me true shit-eating grins. “I hate you! I love you!”

    Misogyny is just the natural reaction to one’s opposite. Being opposites means hating one another. If we loved one another we’d be the same, that’s what equalism wants to promote, love, sameness, rather than eternal antagonism.

    Then again, if we go with the feminine approach to war, no more sexy euro accents.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I was looking into belfast real estate last year so it makes me feel greedy, my thinking was its hard to sustain a sectarian war when god is dead. Then i realized sein feins unholy alliance with commies was morphing them into nigger importers, while still nascent and a tough sell in some ways to the irish not too hard in other ways. I think the cranberry types are stuck between two cultures they grew up in. an 800 your war of suicidal defiance against their bigger cousins and the 60s judenziest. Their biggest problem is going to be Trumps tax cuts making ireland less appealing as corporate tax haven. I was raised to hate the english occupation but had an english (albeit catholic) mother, just one of the contradictions thats made me a chronic skeptic.It turned out Im pretty nordic lol, not sure if its because we are from the normans that came to ireland or we keep marrying norman women.My grandmother was a bretting alscation which is Hallstatt proto celtic so in a sense i dont really see the distinctions and find the whole Hajinal thing much ado about little typical brit snootiness.They’re fucking celts themselves and germans are also basicall celts which makes nords celts we are all the fair people fucking poles i went to a polish catholic school for a while every fucking one is blond haired and blue eyed and has a 115 average iq. russians too. and the hajinals have to answer for greece rome byzantine and frankly half of asia minor used to be as white as greeks are. and america is total mutts. I digress.

    women and war, i dont know Im against them in our military we no longer need them fighting and i think it was always an act of desperation with bad side effects possibly what caused northern european hugh female status and euro men’s attraction to the feistiness. Im done with that going to find a italian girl that knows how to act like a woman. too old to fight these bitches.

    I dont think women are actually anti war i think the commies jews have turned them i think chicks love to watch men fight, but when men signal status by pacifism the fashion is followed by women. To some extent they worry about their husbands and children fathers must as well. Wars that go on for almost a thousand years are a drag and certainly make one wonder if subjugation wouldn’t be a better idea, its certainly been an iq shredder in ireland between the killing and exiting, americas canada’s australia’s and new zealand’s gain though which i guess is our revenge on mother england lol.

    I dont know do you think euros cant live as individual nations but in peace? one fault i find on a lot of wn and anti wn thinking is an assumption that the last 100 years or so hasnt had a lasting effect. That its the current course or a exact repeat of the old course. That seems unlikely i would think any attempt at a somewhat similar rstoration of old order would have new riffs, i doubt we would fight among ourselves at least lethal. but i also think our individual cultures have survived so well despite the jews and macdonalds ( the restaurant) that we would probably continue them if we could more so i think we have a longing for the real. maybe intra euro miscegenationers have to be shipped to america huh?

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    arty dont tell white men how to use our language, its the largest language in the world for a reason, before reading this or whatever youre referring to wag having said I too used miscegenation in the cousin sense, race “for YOUR information you fucking wog means any level of genetic discrimination and was in fact only used in the more granular sense before we so stupidly designed to notice you niggers existence. If you had read anything in that diploma mill you think was a university other than some faggot french commie jews you would have known that we whites have always commonly referred to our cousins as other races of men, which in fact they are, and calling you niggers another race ws typical white graciousness, you are IN FACT ANOTHER SPECIES. Thier is more difference genetic between niggers and whites than between all sorts of animal species have between them. Lions and tiger for instance are closer than you are to me. so dont tell us how to use our language you stupid blood woglet

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The etymology of miscegenation has to do with racial mixture.
    Cite one instance, historical, genetic, or otherwise, where members of the same ethnicity in a cousin relationship have ever been described as a ‘racial mixture’ or ‘miscegenation’.
    I agree you’re a different species than me, collenic, it’s called ‘stub born stupidia’.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    READ OLD BOOKS nigger and you will see it was until the commie jew postmodernism era almost EXCLUSIVELY USED TO DISCERN BETWEEN WHITE TYPES. you see this is the problem with being a nigger meme you have no idea of the chasm of unknown unknowns in your lack of education. You can even go back to the twenties and read it used to distinguish one family from another or a class from another. Race is not a social construct it has been well understood without the genetic proofs for thousands of years, we have always understood breeding medel only got the maths part darwin the way natural process worked without white mans intervention and watson the actual mechanism or source code

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Miscegenation is a 19th-century American word, so not that old, anyway.
    And it’s explicitly to do with racial mixing, according to 19th-century ideas of race, which by then were not limited to intra-white-skinned families, tribes, peoples and nations. But even if you retroject anachronistically, mixing older conceptions with the modern word and its new conceptions, you still be wrong.
    Waggy’s critique is of inbreeding. Inbreeding is familial, not racial in either the older senses you propose, or the newer senses of ‘race’. If the cousin was of a different race, whether in the older or newer sense, ‘miscegenation’ has already occurred, anyway, and therefore redundant to use it as a distinguishing descriptor for the cousin relationship.
    So, you’re wrong on every count. Which shouldn’t really be the case with such a disciple of genetics. That doesn’t really inspire confidence in your ‘teaching abilities’ of anything at all, ‘stub born stupidia’, except genocidal bigotry and inferiority.

    collen ryan Reply:

    I can not cite you because the interweb is chock full of jew nigger propaganda about their favorite word and im not sifting through it to teach a nigger something so fucking basic, you can certainly find them admitting it has historically had that sense but what you ought to grasp alledged to be educate is until 50 years ago it would be hard to go a day without reading it used to describe very granular distinctions among whites and not in the irish are not white sense but that too. you can read novels where some rich bitch describes her particular family as her race, you can read all sorts of old speeches where race is taken in the sense of the people of england or somewheres as opposed to some other whites of another race.jesus you fucking moron its like the whole point of HBD nrx where you have been hanging out for five years how can you not yet get that we basically started from the proposition that nigger species are not even worth discussing and should instead discuss what white races can be salvaged? hajinal much blod clot dirt clod?

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    Wagner Reply:

    Maybe the sense I was using the term was ambiguous (I was watching Silence, which I can see why you’d interpret as reactionary, but any movie promoting Christianity is not good for us) – I was saying, and you’ll deny it of course because you’re a dishonest person, that you implicitly demand that we miscegenate, i.e. breed with the extreme Other, while you’re a hypocrite who’s projecting as you come from one of the most Otherphobic peoples on the planet – and you denied it although it’s science, which ties back into my prediction that you can’t give me a decent response because, you have cousin-banger-blood.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    No, Waggy, I’m not demanding anything of you, implicitly or explicitly. No one is. You’re the people who are trying to impose your choices on others. Of course, there are other-phobic hillbillies in India, in the USA too, but my family is not from that background.
    Keep hallucinating your paranoid delusions, keep losing, Waggy.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    @wag That is the question is he promoting christianity and universal truth in silence or is he arguing against it, i suspect the truth is hes just a muddle headed doublethink that is arguing both without realizing it.

    @art

    if you are arguing for multicultural west you are arguing for miscegenation its naive to think it will not happen both genetically and culturally. it already has you are here larping a white man because liberalism has been campaigning for western hegemony for centuries. You particularly ought to get there will be no indian people if this continues. very soon niggers will be able to alter their children’s dna guess what they are going to do? thats right they are going to make themselves more white, at first just a little straighter hair and a sharper nose a shade lighter skin etc, but its going to set off a genetic race to ne niggerfy that will make leftist holiness signalling laughable in comparison. why because its the only way you can compete in the western hegemony. It may pretend it is open to all but the reality is it co evolved with and for us whites and you can never ever out white us within the context of it. Your only option to save your selves if you truly think you are worth saving is to opt out, steal what you can and see if you can evolve strategies of your own that can compete against us.
    ART this is the law of GNON listen very very very carefully. you can not game it it incorporates all games, at this point in time whites are still vastly superior at all things you value and only by becoming us can you compete within, but GNON is god of all life you do not have to compete within in fact its morally abominable from the white “positivist” empirical perspective that you have abandoned you specific evolutionary path for ours.

    white ruled multiculturalism that you worship with your false consciousness (and we rule because we just are superior not because we are oppressors) is destructive of all other races, it not only drains what little brainpower you have on your far right tails and accrued that to our economies it does even worse to you culturally than to us, to us it is only mildly degenerating our culture yours is completely destroyed exactly to the extent you choose to participate in “multiculturalism” which is in fact white culture watered down. Even worse though because we must make allowances for the talented niggers of the world and their sub animal families we must a one size fits all culture yes this niggerizes us to some extent and as said it puts you on a playing field you cant possibly sustain an advantage on but worst of all it means you can not be allowed to find some work around that suits your genetics. take the african ape for instance. If we could say insist that african apes must go to school from 4 years of age to 21 years in schools that only taught low trades that classes were 365 days a year and corporal punishment was harsh we could civilize them to a much greater extent in semi successful nigger country they do things along this line. an african nation with a model like this might be capable of extracting a better price for its natural resources and live at a reasonable standard in more dignity than a rich nigger will ever have in the usa.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    In case you think the jews and slants will save you look at them they too are shucking and jiving all things white they too are done for unless they go their own way which seems unlikely. slants are about to debt bomb themselves as we do to their military what we did to the commie russians, and the jews are dangling from their own petard as we speak they are up their with a hook up their ass and a crowd is gathering below and they are trying to talk talk talk themselves out of the situation their talk talk talk got them into, arogant kikes still think they are going to negotiate its pretty fucking funny if not for the wreckage they have cause and all of your fellow niggers blood that will have to be spilled to cleanse ourselves.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I didn’t like that the main mischling finally placed his foot on the image. I think he wanted people to have that reaction. Rather than giving up his principles he should have allowed his friends and himself to be tortured and martyred, that is the Christian way after all. But like I said, Christianity is dead, so this is all an allegory about Progressivism. Scorsese wanted to condition progs to endure suffering and the suffering of their fellows in order to uphold christ/prog ideals rather than give up and live silently among rightwing badpeople.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    it was weird hes trying to defend universal truth which he thinks supports leftist values but at the same time not when they are protelitzing the japanese, in every other hollywood movie the inquisition is the bad guys here theyre the wise oriental that understand subjectivism except no wait we are in favor of universal truths like anti racism no wait never mind its a mystery of faith

    yeah christianity is dead it only really worked as an inter racial faith and even then cant have gnostic priests deciding who get crowned and what laws are out of compliance with a higher authority. but how the fuck to get all those christians to give up christianity

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    These oft stated hallucinations of ‘superiority’ you produce seem to be always contingent on military capability and threats of violence, nothing else. Looks like you can’t even think in what’s supposed to be your own language. You’re demonstrating your inferiority, yet again, on this post as well as the other ones. You can’t even invent any decently coherent etymological justification for Waggy’s neologistic use of ‘miscegenation’.

    Given that both of you keep confirming the truth of ‘all ambition, no ability’, as regards the All-Trite and Neoreaction, your fevered production of false assumptions, dwelt in as an exclusive habitat, is only to be expected. Every one of those assumptions, so many externalised motivational speakers engaged in propping up a central, collenic psychopathology.

    Your arguments against ‘multiculturalism’ are redundant, considering there was no promotion of any form of ‘culturalism’. You’re attributing to me all kinds of nonsense of your own invention.
    The ‘tradesman’s entrance’ thing, was a joke, not really requiring any lengthy justification or response. That you provision such, merely confirms your status-obsessions, and the kind of pathetic snobbery which is usually a corollary of inferiority, so not really any mystery there.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    yes arty i am a ‘victim’ of ‘classism’ and yeah it gets to me sometimes and yeah a moron can see that which is why im prettty up front about it and not pretentious ( like some people we know)

    whether you want to credit me with a piece of the credit for western civilization is immaterial it, white people, on average are and have been the rulers of the world pretty much uninterrupted for over two thousand years. and that doesnt look like its going to change any time soon no matter which whites rule whitopia.

    people in india and china and israel wear suits speak english write in the roman alphabet, they have to learn all the stuff whites discovered to be considered educated and have the slightest chance of making their mark in their own nation or one of ours. they could not last five minutes without the technology white people invented that surrounds them. yes we can militarily crush you the united states military is bigger than the rest of the worlds militaries combined lol.But you know perfectly well thats hardly more than the icing on the cake its the result of all the other stuff,. there’s nothing we dont do better than everyone else. you all, jew, chink, towelheads, all copy everything because if you don’t you’re sitting in the mud slapping flies like the stone age chimps you were until recently when we discovered you.

    Ok sure you and other races have done some cool stuff but very little technically mostly its just you have a culture that’s interesting and your own. I get that must suck. but it is take it up with gnon. as i just told you your only real shot at the top spot is to go your own way. we have given you so much you got a big head start. what happened to all you nigger races is what we whites dream of its like some benign extra terrestrial cam ed own and gave you the next 100,000 years worth of technology. And yet … its been a several hundred years and none of you have yet capitalized on the gift your all no better than your great great grandfathers who s prized possession was some brit officers bit of uniform or hat worn like chicken george wore that bowler hat. That’s you wearing that hat when you spout that cultural marxist deconstruct garbage. you want respect go do something indian and come show us we seen that jew act for a hundred years now its a bore

    No ability all ambition ? dude im retired with a lot of money among other things i did all sorts of things in my life. the fact that i engage with other whites in political discourse about how our very able people ought to aim their ambitions is just what whites men do. wag has his whole life ahead of him he is obviously a thoughtful and intelligent young man and im sure will do great. i dont really no what you can be driving at. are you seriously saying white people will not continue to do great things? well that would be a pretty bold bit of guessing against the smart money. no art indians are very ambitious and not going anywhere that’s sort of well know and one can witness it at any 711 or london take out. I mean seriously you cant even cook your own food as well as we can, you use filthy kitchens and shit ingredients to save money and poison people, love indian food but just wont eat in any indian restaurants anymore. you cant even teach yoga to all those stupid white chicks because you’re too creepy. you invented buddhism yet no one want s indian version again too creepy always a scam involved.what can indians do besides answer phones in that accent you dont know wtf youre talking about when asked the tech questions just read from the monkey script. oh I know !!!! BOLLYWOOD! yes ok it is derivative but I like it especially that white looking bitch. so you larp a pretty good film mime.

    sigh go home arty help your people find themselves again even if you dont become players theres dignity.its pretty abominable that you can be over here larping academic when 95% of your people live like animals worse you should help them not try to be white, some commie you are

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Of course, it’s the case that India has been a basket case for 4000 years, ever since the Persians and Greeks began the process of non-stop Occidental military invasions.
    It doesn’t alter the fact that the Indus Valley Civilisation reached levels of technical and engineering advancements unequalled until 19th century British achievements, without warfare as a technology driver. It doesn’t alter the fact that major intellectual advances; the number system and zero; the Navya Nyaya roots of modern logic; and many others, supplied the basis of subsequent Western implementations.

    Of course, it’s the case that India will be riddled with scams, it has been for a long time, for 4000 years, as mentioned above. Indian religions and philosophies have been commodified into scams by the West, especially the USA, for well over a century. Indians have been occasionally involved usually in partnership with Westerners, but their involvement is out of a country thoroughly ‘scammed’ and asset-stripped by foreign interests, following the mode of necessity placed on them.

    In addition, there are plenty of things the USA doesn’t do better than anyone else, and has to hire from abroad, then calls it American, lol. So you’re talking rubbish, there. That’s not to say, there aren’t brilliant people there, too. But they wouldn’t be supporting you, the brilliance of the USA, in whatever areas, is not down to people like you. You’re just trying to hitch your wagon of inferiority to their achievements. That’s why you have to go back in history searching for allies of your ignorance.
    The very emphasis on overt militarisation you’re so fond of is precisely the blockage against further advancement. That’s directly observable in your limitations of understanding.

    My interest is not nationalistic, but purely to realise the highest possibilities available. More and more, I’ve come to realise that those possibilities originate in their strongest forms in the land and cultures of my ethnic origin. If we’re talking about Occidental achievements, I have no qualms about acknowledging the recent European contributions of the last 300 years, which are chiefly scientific and technological in nature, together with a general social commitment to scientific transformations. But the crucible of forces from which these contributions arose has been fraught with instability of a sort which prevailing Occidental outlooks are unable to navigate and powerless to control, essentially being exemplifications or effects of that instability. There is no doubt that the preparedness to engage transformation is necessary for what is to come, and insofar as that preparedness can be held to be ‘European’ or ‘American’, that cultural experience of experimentation is as valuable as any other. The future, however, requires far more than your chosen ignorance seems able to supply.

    Wagner Reply:

    RE: Occidental military might, I often think of this in connection to India:

    “The day [the 13th Dalai Lama] arrived in Lhasa he had at his heels a Chinese army, instructed to kill his ministers and lock him up in a temple. He resumed the road of exile, this time toward the south. In the dead of winter, passing through snowstorms on horseback, exhausted, he and his party reached a border post and requested the protection of two British telegraph operators whom he had directed to be awakened in the night. In this way he demonstrated that the most firmly established religious power is at the mercy of a real power based on armed force.” (The Accursed Share)

    It is sad that is the way the world is. We’d be much better off if everyone could meditate in peace without having to worry about foreign invaders lopping our heads off. You and Mike believe morality is bullshit but I don’t. I see the Brits subjugating the Indians the same way I see nerds being thrown in lockers: as contemptible behavior. This is the eternal war of Spirit vs. matter. Spirit should win but it doesn’t. It is sad that is the way the world is. I see the same war playing out today: a mass of brainwashed leftist meat vs. a minority of freespirits for whom the Planet of the Apes is being immanentized before their very eyes.

    “the fact that the Indus Valley Civilisation reached levels of technical and engineering advancements unequalled until 19th century British achievements”

    You can’t just baldly state such an extravagant claim without providing evidence. Please do.

    “the number system and zero; the Navya Nyaya roots of modern logic; and many others, supplied the basis of subsequent Western implementations”

    Again. Links? Texts meticulously sourced?

    “My interest is not nationalistic, but purely to realise the highest possibilities available.”

    Please describe in detail if you would why walls, literal or metaphor, around a country are a bad thing. If you check the crime databases there is a violent murder almost everyday committed by a Mexican who crossed the border illegally in the US. Is that something you really endorse happening?

    “If we’re talking about Occidental achievements, I have no qualms about acknowledging the recent European contributions of the last 300 years, which are chiefly scientific and technological in nature”

    How can you say that when you are manifestly a French theory nerd? (I am too somewhat, hence I quoted Bataille above).

    I’ll say again, I’d prefer if you *demonstrated* our inferiority rather than *stated* it (repeatedly) – we come here to philosophize, and if you just say things without giving any reason there’s not much to go off of.

    Wagner Reply:

    @Mike if you’re retired read N’s Twilight of the Idols, that’s the summary of his philosophy, can read it in one sitting if you wanted to. AND/or: for me his “golden year” is 1886, check out BGE and the 5th book of The Gay Science. His break with Darwin I can see you appreciating (among lots of other things). When you read him for a few hours you’ll start to see what I’m talking about when I speak of the Order of Rank. This is the wisest goy that ever lived, and everyone living today is an embarrassment compared to him.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I never said morality was “bullshit”, it just wasn’t methodologically relevant to the argument in whose context it was mentioned, at the time.

    Your contrast of British materialist subjugation and Indian spiritual submission follows the traditional division between a materialist West and a spiritual East. The fact that that traditional division has been written about right from the beginning of the rise of the West and its encounter with the Orient, is significant in itself. However, the division between spirit and matter, or even form and matter, as it comes down from Plato, is perhaps not quite the same as the corollary Oriental terms, whether Indian or Chinese. It’s an important and deep issue, a Neoreactionary blog comment probably isn’t the right area to sort it out.

    Factoids: Martial arts, was actually created in India, something I only found out around seven or eight years ago, I always thought it was a Chinese-originated thing. Apparently, there are semi-secret traditions in India, still.

    Vedic India, post IVC India, was very warlike. That changed with Ashoka, who united almost all of India, and converted to Buddhism, weary of war. I’m sure I mentioned all this a few years ago.

    I’ve had a look for the ‘Indus Valley civilisation being unequalled until 19th-century Great Britain’, but haven’t found that precise comparison on Google, yet . I’m pretty sure I got it from a British television documentary. I did find, in print, twice, an ‘unequalled until Rome’ comparison, which seems itself to be considered as unequalled until 19th-century Great Britain. So that seems to suggest three equivalences or highpoints, with dips in between where other information and techniques were gradually collected; where there were failed culminations for various reasons, within those dips; and where 19th-century Great Britain perhaps managed to break through the ‘dipping logic’, producing a modernist excess.

    I’m sure that’s a far too simple, linear history; but equally, I’m sure it’s a valid perspective from a particular kind of optic, that which arises as the result of a particular kind of focusing on particular developments. But of course there is always a lot more going on than that. By the same token, the present-contemporary is equally the intersection of a bunch of unequal developments, and can be seen through certain optics as in fact highly undeveloped in particular ways. My interest, is in all developments.

    Since writing the above, I’ve had a look for the video, which I think is on the city of Dholavira. I’ve not managed to find it yet, but gone off on a tangent looking at lots of other videos on the IVC, and the ancient world, more generally. It’s been very interesting. According to one video, the IVC were on the verge of an industrial era:

    The Indus Valley Civilization: The Masters of the River
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5bqAKixgYA (@27:58)

    “The level of production was such that the civilisation seemed on the verge of an industrial era.

    We have a fairly good idea of the strength of their economy. The great cities of the Indus especially Harappa and Mohenjodaro had well-developed crafts that produced items only this civilisation could make, like particular types of near-industrial ceramics, not to mention all that’s been lost. The Indus civilisation must’ve produced a lot of textiles, of food processed using the technologies of the time. No traces remain of all that, everything disappeared. But today, some of its products would qualify as industrial-quality, merchants hung them around the neck and they were widely used.”

    The number system, zero, and Navya Nyaya roots of modern logic, are all very well documented, and we all live within their effects. Why would you need citations for these? It’s fairly basic information, usually known before people start making cultural and historical pronouncements. You want, I should teach you the alphabet next, memsahib?

    Why are you talking about walls? I didn’t say anything about walls.

    The demonstrations have been of your incompetencies, inabilities; they didn’t concern historical achievements. They were direct demonstrations on the page, as it were, not requiring any reference as such, historical or otherwise.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Hey Nick, heres looking at you kid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7sqGJ3NBg

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    I dont think morals are bulshit exactly i say they are really cooperative strategies that we evolved to survive. as we became more successful and had more excess resources we developed more complex survival contracts. the danger is we can lose track of their order of succession rights and worse we forget what we were even doing and start to think of them as you say as “morals”. of course that enshrinement is part of the strategy to prevent defection so it’s not bad in itself but when we only remember the holiness part and not the purpose or the order then we are dysgenetically entangled. Im probably not smart enough to do this but someone ought to be able to work out if there’s a limit to how far out these contracts can extend.Its true my guy tells me not far at all really to you that, i could be wrong and haven’t actually tried to work it out. except to say that there must be a point where you are no longer backing up a copy that’s not very close to you but close enough for the resources risk you allocate and another curve where that same genome can also be seen as your likely competitor and so what you are actually doing is keeping your competitor alive another day. which is why I suspect its nation based.

    Now wag moral is a pretty loose word and so is ‘good’ even animals may save another species they find in trouble if it seems to be very low risk and is not a known competitor. Im sure we both feel this is somehow moral and good. and i could even say well since life is good is the whole of the law wanton disregard is usually bad, but again we get to that same laffer curve where could helping the kitty in the tree be like some butterfly effect that hurts you, im sure its not but im not sure i would interfere in england dominating india. I wouldn’t dominate india for the hell of it but i might if i needed to i might if i thought they might well become a threat in the future. So now we are in your territory of morality specifically say the preemptive war that pope ratzinger okd, but while ill agree it could be called a “moral question” I would disagree with most people’s idea of why and how to decide it. to me its clearly a question of the one morality, my life is good and should be preserved and replicated. so whether to go to war with india preemptively relies on the answer to that or some iteration of that like my life and its ability to be replicated depends on my honoring the contract I have made with my co ethnats for mutual defense. what if i thought the decision wrong but my co ethnats insisted it was right well some would say i had a moral duty to oppose and defect, I would say unless i could be sure that their wrong decision was more likely to cause them and myself more harm than my defection would then i had a moral duty to the one moral to not defect and go to war with india even thinking it wrong. you can see how morals that become universals differ from those that are specific interests. I dont see how we can say anything is good that does not proceed from my one moral, unless we appeal to religious or cultural norms but cant you see that that would be starting in the middle of the process of morality creation. how did those religions philosophies and customs come to be? and if you want to go down rhomes path you can keep going and start asking how can we even discuss this without knowing is there is a there, but again this is ultimately a question of how did our life form develop its senses and consciousness and how does that interplay with how we think we perceive the world reality, and all of that started with some amino acids and a simple code it doesn’t matter all the stuff in between because we cant transcend the source code praise gnon.so we are really no better off than the first graphite life forms. and trust me they didn’t need to ask if there is there.
    at the other end of this we can also say well is music good is ok yoga good? my guess is they would be here if they were not, but thats not to say yoga is good for us or mozart is good for arty because that we cant say has been a long studied combination and those combinations didnt co evolve. but the cross cultural contamination issue aside what of say music or a million other things that seem sort of innocuous and superfluous to the prime directive my life is good i must preserve it and replicate it. Is it possible some things are neutral, its an interesting question Im guessing no something as universal as music is surely not superficial and even something really trivial if you could do the infinite chaos math is probably either a net good or bad but may be too small effect to worry much about in fact worrying about them probably more costly than they would be. but what of turning the tortoise over or not. again it probably doesnt really matter, but we could be fairly certain tortoises are not going to outcompete us for resources so stooping to righ the tortoise if nothing else may reinforce in us that life is good and that is good for our life to reinforce, but if we forget why life is good and extrapolate flipping tortoises to feeding africans and curing malaria is that a good idea? so i may right a tortoise but not a human? ok probably true but that doesn’t necessarily mean i would say enslave or wantonly kill a nigger i might or might not sure probably i wouldnt probably i would say england are you sure you want o get involved over their in india think of all the things that could go wrong. so niggers are starving in biafra, well they were before idiots fed them, it was horrible i know this will go on forever would i allow an animal to suffer like that, would eliminating africa be an act of kindness like turning the tortoise right side up, hmm i have shot suffering animals on the other hand africans are not quite that suffering and if they are never going to be a threat as long as i dont start feeding them then maybe ill leave them alone. could i intervene safely and say cull them to 250k that could lve much better lives while never becoming a threat that might be a thing to do like righting a turtle it costs me nothing. or does it start to work on my evolved human mess of a patched code and i cant stop with just culling them and start teaching them shit maybe i can trisk turning them over.

    go tell me where there’s some morality that not either derived from the one moral or just made up or rather not so much made up but rather derived then forgotten its provenance an distortedly mistaken for whole cloth moral

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    @ wag
    yes i will try to get to that i ordered some of him again a few months ago i may need some cliff notes though was pretty tough when i skimmed itill dig it out and see what i ordered. I was looking for the starting point are their any good critics of him i might find easier to start with. it was something about the syntax i found difficult.
    @ arty

    India is one of the worlds more successful cultures i wouldn’t be ashamed to be an indian bu t hey im not ashamed to be irish so take that with a grain of saffron. I already said i think you guys are far more interesting than east asians, not really qualified to say which of you accomplished more but not to be mean compared to euros its a drop in the bucket, and you may be right that they kept invading you i think thats what kept ireland down cause they do well outside ireland but maybe im being a nigger lol. my name means we wuz little kangs lol. its kind of mean to say things like the zero thing is a myth or exaggerated whatever the case india’s done better than the vast majority of nations and even if the ancient indians were white- ish the ancient whites were niggers lol so the salient point is youre brown now and that culture over their is yours now and its kinda shitty in a lot of ways but kinda kool in others i really think its worth your while to stop larping white and go find your path i really think you have a slight chance of winning and at good chance of at least surviving. you have zero chance in euro nations. there is no way to have a little diversity and more than a few percent is ruinous to us and everyone’s realized it. BTW you niggers sort of brought this shit on by all that kill whitey talk did you really think you could start talking about white privilege in white nations and not be asked to leave before we kill you? hers some advice – don’t listen to jews they are no one’s friends.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “don’t listen to jews they are no one’s friends.”

    Imagine Bullshitter Land saying that. It’s the truth and he’s a philosopher and yet – well it seems he’s a theologian more so.

    “i may need some cliff notes though was pretty tough”

    This is what I mean by feigned modesty. Spend 3 hours doing nothing but reading Twilight of the Idols very slowly and you will see what I’m talking about. If you see a sentence you don’t understand read it 3 more times, very conscientiously, don’t read it like you read a newspaper or cerealbox, read it with a meditative mindset, word by word. You want these boys to go to war with guns; I don’t think you see that if they learned Nietzsche they could clobber all opposition very easily.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I wish I could recommend a secondary text to you but when I think back, all the ones I’ve read are just really sad compared to N. There’s been a sharp decline since his time, even Heidegger sux.

    The way it worked for me was, I read BGE at 17 and didn’t understand even 1% of what I read; it just takes re-reading, it’s as simple as that.

    Dunno if you’ll be fazed by him really, you’re pretty worldly wise as it is – he may just be a philosopher for younger guys, Idk – but he’ll surely introduce you to concepts you haven’t thought of before and that you can use to screw with the heads of commies.

    Commies don’t know what to do with him to this very day, 2018. I read a new blog post from the coward Vince Garton and his trick is to conflate N with Spinoza’s Deleuze… might as well put a muzzle on him lmao pathetic.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Deluge’s Schpeenotsa. Sorry, just woke up. (Plus Garton has a forcefield around him rendering him somewhat impervious to attack).

    Speaking of this thoughtsphere, I’ve been reading Foucault’s Madness and Civilization and I guess I’m glad it was written rather than not.

    “Madness is the punishment of a disorderly and useless science.”

    *shniff* ironic jish ij coming from je pozboy par exchellence

    collen ryan Reply:

    yes i have found that when i look for Ns explanation no one seems to know what he said or if they do they cant say it any better.

    Re Foucault and co as i said about historical context and leftism impeccable timing, that leftism ideas were bound to be given a shot because there were problems that needed adjusted thinking. Someone was bound to shout the emperor’s values are subjective sooner or later. The left big problem is not their lies but their inability to see their truths proper proportion in relation to larger truths.The christians are pretty right in their critique of the lefts inability to understand mans fallen condition and accept utopia is simply not possible, arty the buddha cant accept suffering. Now i say the christians concept of the fall is in reality DNA patches upon patches ad infinitem. and even if we could philosophically conceive a perfect philosophy which the left thinks it has we simply cant run it on our hardware.This is why I also criticize right wing nrx utopian schemes if you have no history of anything similar to your program running on our software wtf makes them think it will run any better than marxism. I don’t know if anything is truly sustainable. but i think as you lower you expectations of the programs capabilities you increase the likelihood you can claim a success..

    collen ryan Reply:

    In fairness the jews are right minded and it is we that are in error. They like every other race have particularist truths and morals, we developed a universal system within our euro ghetto and it worked pretty well like christianity the altruism accrued intra thede, it worked so well we began to spread throughout the world. and our nations began to attract outsiders.even that wasnt too big of a problem pre nanny state and pre marx. The insidious thing about the jews is they pretend they believe the universalist morality and even use christianity against us but they only selectively apply universalist morals when they are good for the jews, or bad for whites which is the same thing to them. Its complicated by the fact they look like us and share a lot of our historical cultural this makes their ploy deadly effective.I have said before while the east asians will be a much bigger threat given their numbers, the fact that they dont look like us or share a god etc is going to make it harder for them to pull of the jew game. If 50% of our elites in wealth and power metrics were east asian it wouldn’t be unnoticed the way jews are. But yes other races are being used by the jews for jewish interests yet have convinced these others they are allies.

    I dont know i want a gun war but i am saying unless you convince the left you can and will and will prevail at it the left will not give up power. moldburg seems to think if we simply wait at some point the left will give up and we nrx will somehow find ourselves in charge thats absurd. the left will never give up and if they would the group that has forced them to will assume power. There’s a lot of ways to force. Trump is trying to force them to give up power by taking the power legally his and basically saying are you willing to unlawfully take the power back what do you think will happen. so far hey are trying to pretend to be within the law.or at least that the riots and terrorism is unsanctioned.war is a horrible thing everyone knows it so the threat of it is often enough, also moves that tilt the outcome of a war in your favor. say you could free the internet and other communications, they could not be shut down without shutting down your own, they could not be censored decoded or traced, basically parity with the cathedral in information communication. The left would understand that in a real war this is going to be huge against them they just lost their queen. these types of things make opponents sue for peace but only if they think an actual war is likely. How many angry white guys in the street does that take, what do those white guys have to do in the street, probably just stand there if there’s enough.its all going to depend on all sorts of things like which white guys what else do they do do they report terrorists or say they saw nothing are these guys also cops or suits. a million things that boil down to a calculation of how would the war go down. the people on the sidelines come into play because they are needed for support if they think a war i likely and likely to be horrible and protracted they may pressure one side to surrender by withdrawing support. I guess im saying my point with nrx and war is if you go into a negotiation with war off the table you’re going nowhere.nrx goes beyond this they also take politics off the table. even if the cathedral collapsed tomorrow nrx is not assuming power of anything,power always comes down to superior violence capacity , this violence ability can be created intellectually better weapons the wealth to hire guns geography whatever but it has to be reducible to force ability. why ? just ask nrx when it comes to AI they get it; because if you don’t someone else is willing because my life is good and i must survive to replicate.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    “The insidious thing about the jews is they pretend they believe the universalist morality and even use christianity against us but they only selectively apply universalist morals when they are good for the jews, or bad for whites which is the same thing to them. Its complicated by the fact they look like us and share a lot of our historical cultural this makes their ploy deadly effective”

    Now christianity claims all men are brothers in christ and god would prefer we sacrifice ourselves to the other in fact the least-er the other and the most-er the sacrificer the better, it also claims gnostic knowledge that the world is no real but an afterlife they know of is.
    The enlightenment really only claims men own themselves and have a god given right to be left alone that no man is naturally another’s master.

    Ironically christianity doesn’t take a position on this except to say if you dont treat your slave like your brother you’re bad you are left up to your own assumptions about whether you can benignly enslave your brother.

    christianity is clearly dysgenic and irrational evil though because of circumstances it actually did us some good for a long time.

    Enlightenment clearly has to lose its universalist claims but can it be maintained intra thede. Is there something within it that has been our edge, do it themes seem to appear over a long enough euro time span to suspect its biologic, that its not another scheme of philosophers but rather is simply explicitly stating what has been our evolved strategy, if so has the environment changed, if so is it better to change the environment or the strategy, Do we really have the choice to change strategies evolved over millennia? is it possible to change the multicultural environment, maybe we find ourselves within a genetic cul de sac

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    No, the evidence doesn’t point to ancient Indians ‘being whitish’. The IVC were dark-skinned.
    When you talk about a ‘drop in the bucket’, that doesn’t really specify what kind of bucket it is, whether it’s a bucket of quantity or quality; a bucket of originations or appropriations; et cetera. That’s not to say that ‘appropriations’ can’t be clever and useful developments in their own right. That’s not to say that ‘originations’ are not enabled by prior ‘appropriations’, et cetera.

    If we do a cultural cost accounting, it would be interesting to look at what cultures produce the most innovations with the least expenditure of resources. A few years back I mentioned the ‘Kerala model’ which has been so successful, the Swiss have begun to follow it. It provisions the highest quality-of-life at the lowest cost. Kerala has the highest rate of literacy in India, free healthcare and education, producing highly qualified, highly skilled, citizens, too.

    I haven’t talked about killing anyone, why would you think that; that’s your thing, you always go on about it? It’s obvious that the USA continues to have a ‘white privilege’ factor, that is so obvious to everyone outside of the USA. And yes, it’s obvious that anti-Semitic scapegoating hasn’t gone away either, judging by your recommendation.
    I listen to everyone, but I don’t follow anyone.
    Most people just want to get on with their lives, they don’t need unnecessary agitation and scaremongering. If you haven’t put any energies into promoting your own culture, that could explain your fear of other cultures.

    This is hilarious –
    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/the-light-skin-of-the-irish-can-be-traced-to-india-and-the-middle-east-239166271-239671671#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=549879d6b88dedef&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1

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    rohme Reply:

    from wiki (i’m lazy)

    The protection of animals in India became serious business by the time of the Maurya dynasty; being the first empire to provide a unified political entity in India, the attitude of the Mauryas towards forests, their denizens, and fauna in general is of interest.[citation needed]

    The Mauryas firstly looked at forests as resources. For them, the most important forest product was the elephant. Military might in those times depended not only upon horses and men but also battle-elephants; these played a role in the defeat of Seleucus, one of Alexander’s former generals. The Mauryas sought to preserve supplies of elephants since it was cheaper and took less time to catch, tame and train wild elephants than to raise them. Kautilya’s Arthashastra contains not only maxims on ancient statecraft, but also unambiguously specifies the responsibilities of officials such as the Protector of the Elephant Forests.[61]

    On the border of the forest, he should establish a forest for elephants guarded by foresters. The Office of the Chief Elephant Forester should with the help of guards protect the elephants in any terrain. The slaying of an elephant is punishable by death.

    — Arthashastra
    The Mauryas also designated separate forests to protect supplies of timber, as well as lions and tigers for skins. Elsewhere the Protector of Animals also worked to eliminate thieves, tigers and other predators to render the woods safe for grazing cattle.[citation needed]

    The Mauryas valued certain forest tracts in strategic or economic terms and instituted curbs and control measures over them. They regarded all forest tribes with distrust and controlled them with bribery and political subjugation. They employed some of them, the food-gatherers or aranyaca to guard borders and trap animals. The sometimes tense and conflict-ridden relationship nevertheless enabled the Mauryas to guard their vast empire.[62]

    When Ashoka embraced Buddhism in the latter part of his reign, he brought about significant changes in his style of governance, which included providing protection to fauna, and even relinquished the royal hunt. He was the first ruler in history[not in citation given] to advocate conservation measures for wildlife and even had rules inscribed in stone edicts. The edicts proclaim that many followed the king’s example in giving up the slaughter of animals; one of them proudly states:

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    collen ryan Reply:

    LOL america has a white privilege problem that the world is aware of ? You are so addle brained you cant even here how stupid that sounds. what if i told you India has a brown privilege problem the world is aware of? america is a white nation it has a nigger immigration problem that was deliberately engineered by jews that calculated they would be better off in america if they brought in more non whites. They did a lot of other damaging things they thought would be good for the jews. and so when they are called on it or when this behavior that they have been doing in nations they attach themselves to for thousands of years is discussed as the jewish question its hardly scapegoating as you sya its simply understanding and discussing what is to be done.

    kerala is just another commie initiative redistribute wealth and power to people who didn’t earn it. oh it has the “novel” innovation of not keeping the books on the cost- yeah like any commie nation keeps hanest books. Art you’re just a run of the mill commie complete with ethnic resentment and deconstruct speak gobbledygook bullshit to try and make people think its well conceived because they too intimidated by that absurd syntax and misuse of words to question you academic credentials. Ps everyone was dark skinned the evidence that i read about seemed to say ancient indians were not the same people as today’s indians but more like the people from who europeans descend. That may or may not mean they were at that point lighter skinned than indians are today.and it wasn’t conclusive. but it was genetic not from the commie controlled anthropologic field

    not sure what you mean about killing people did i say if you don’t understand multiculturalism in white nations is soft genocide well it is.do i think genocide warrants war of course i do don’t you. but yes i also am of the mind that once you really understand that we are all in competition it becomes irresponsible to allow other races to expand beyond small game preserves and no i dont think killing is immoral as you no i dont think there is such a thing as right and wrong only what’s good for me and whats no.It might be good for me to contract to not kill my close relatives and stick to that contract, i do in fact think that’s probably true. that doesn’t make it “moral” it makes it good for me which is the only good that is valid. I am fairly certain it is not good for me for niggers to continue to exist on my planet beyond small herds in game parks. I could be wrong and am open to argument to the contrary. so far you have convinced me i am right

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    America is not a ‘white nation’, it was a land of Mongoloid peoples; the USA was a European-created nation displacing the native Mongoloids from their lands through genocide. In case you hadn’t noticed, African slaves were brought over to the USA by Europeans, not by Jewish people. So your shit head is talking shit again, no surprise.
    If it wasn’t for Jewish trade networks, Britain would have remained an isolated island. Cromwell brought the formerly expelled Jews back into England in order to avail himself of Jewish finance.

    Here’s a quote from Jerry Pournelle, who some call a right-wing extremist:

    “And note well — Europe has always been the most densely populated area of the Earth; far more so than Latin America or Asia. Latin America, in fact, is almost under-populated compared to Europe.”

    Pournelle, Jerry (2011-04-22). A Step Farther Out (Kindle Locations 891-893). Jerry Pournelle. Kindle Edition.

    If we use your logic, you would say Pournelle’s statement implies that Europeans have spread around the world like a plague. And a lot of the time they did that spreading through genocide. Obviously, that’s why they hallucinate it so much. They’re looking in the mirror.

    Regarding Kerala, the Swiss obviously disagree with you, as do many others who aren’t insane. You’ve got communists on the brain, lol.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’ve already stated that it’s your planet, and you can do what you like. So what difference does it make where anyone goes, given that you threaten genocide whatever their locations?

    Given a history in which non-European people were actually located in their own countries, quite happily, without such nativist location providing any security against genocide, what difference does it make where anyone goes, given that you threaten the same old genocide, whatever the location?

    Given US foreign policy of the last five or six decades; destabilising foreign governments through coups and covert means in order to economically drain foreign countries of their resources and wealth; given that you’re not proposing anything different to that arrangement, yet you complain of the same arrangement with respect to yourself and your own interests, at the least hint that you or ‘your people’ might be victims of said arrangement; why the hell should anyone listen to your ramblings of hypocrisy, or the rest of you in the USA?

    Basically, you morons turn everything into a static business of superficial and cliched exchanges that never get resolved, whatever the politicisation. The irresolution is a deliberate profiteering within constraints of a fundamental poverty of invention. It’s a money-driven mania of dogmatic proliferations.

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  • collen ryan Says:

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    Yes ayahuasca is after my time and it does sound like it produces a much different experience than the many other hallucinogens i have used. Wag take this for what you will but I think no only did i take enough hallucinogens to conclude the experience is not actually realer than real, i similarly kind of concluded the same thing about my non drug induced experience. Its not that both cant be useful. but with the drug we know its definitely just hacking the brain chemistry with the other im not so sure its not the same thing happening organically. While im tripping or having an experience the physics of the world are not changing if anything its become harder for me to objectively observe them this of course goes to rhomes and your philosophers is there a there crap. in my book thats getting into how our consciousness and senses evolved and operate to experience the world and not a matter of philosophical semantics. If you cant answer the question is there a there you need more and better experiments and less talk not more talk. That said until we resolve classical and quantum its hard to say exactly we may be misperceiving reality and so what reality is, however we have made a lot of progress understanding many of the misperceptions of reality we have and how that may affect how we think of reality and how other lifeforms might understand it differently, or as you point out how “crazy” people perceive it. I understand how tempting it is to poke around in these alternative realities Im just a bit skeptical its more than rose colored glass and even if not its a distraction from what we are here to experience.

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    rohme Reply:

    there there not hard russell bertrand’s paradox no set of all sets could belong to a set of itself zermelo’s theory
    there exists a null set 0 without any elements axiom of infinity there exists a set that contains the null set there is a determination (negation) of infinity infinity is not determination it is not “there-rifiable” godel’s theorem one can have complete indeterminacy or incomplete determinacy

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    collen ryan Reply:

    so you do have a sense of humor you got your Bertrands confused unless that’s another obscure joke within the joke that i missed

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    rohme Reply:

    lol you missed nothing the joke is on me my ‘betrands are confused’

    Wagner Reply:

    Hey that doesn’t look like intra-atomization, that looks like pair-bonding. *Sgt. Hartman “Are you a peter-puffer?” voice* ARE YOU A PAIR-BONDER?

    Ha I called it Mike, I knew you thought aya is child’s play to be put away. Read what I said again: you’ve forgotten. There’s only one way to remember, I’m sure you can find something, you seem like you have what real-lifers call “connections”.

    P. D. Mangan tells people to drink milk, the weightlifter frogs tell each other to eat carrots…

    NO SHIT DRINK MILK EAT CARROTS WHAT KINDA HOUSEHOLD DID YOU GROW UP IN?

    Smoke or eat DMT and you will meet God.

    “Rose-colored glasses” my ass, frankly. That’s what THIS reality is. We are monkeys! You concede that, Mike, and I’m telling you this is the way to see through and above our current evolutionary phase.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    aya doesn’t sound like childs play it sounds very intense and i wish i could try it but gotta stay sober. Castenada describes things besides peyote that might have had dmt in it. Though i tend to think hes a fraud he also seems to have the descriptions that closest matched things I experienced as well as the best “scientific” explanation, which was basically youre training your mind like a receiver to tune into different realities. I wonder if he really lucked into some genuine practices but somehow fucked up and started making parts up.Theyre a fun read at least back in the 70s they seemed to be. The moment that months long change in perception happened i was reading a book that was not something i would have normally read. I had played hooky from work that day I was struggling desperately with alcoholism and had been dry a few weeks but could feel my resolve deteriorating the stress I have wondered might have ‘torn the veil’ i went to one of the NYU bookstores and sat under this tree in washington square park. The book had a cool title i still like and which i still think is actually another way of saying don’t lie to your self. it was titled if you meet the buddha on the road kill him. I have since looked through the book to see what magical passages transformed me, but it just seems new agey run of the mill.at the time as i was reading it it took on deep meaning as things do when tripping. This is what i mean by rose colored glasses.take the books title. In this state one can readily understand its deeper meaning its metaphor but while tripping i think thats just seems to be much more significant. Its worth noting tripping turns you into a liberal. everyone becomes your brother in buddha white mens empirical thinking becomes samsara, you may realize its all the same but you still favor non violence and charity.you are incapable of productive work.As i said it probably better as an occasional contrast.have you ever tried to journal while tripping you will disappointed.Theres really no reason to think that our feeling that the experience is significant or more real is more than the effect of drugs in our brain in fact we have good reason to think it is because even alcohol and other drugs often give us the same sensation of brilliance insite etc but despite a lot of alcoholic writers none i know of were actually able to write anything of value while actually drunk or high except Auden and if you count sartre who both wrote on speed. some of the non drug experiences people have are not accompanied by that euphoric feeling and might be something else. Obviously i dont know anything for sure, i am still undecided about my own experiences it just that i went from being certain they were significant to un certain. mainly i had to admit there was at least some possibility i had a psychic break with physical symptoms.In some ways the question might come down to would the world be better if we were all in that state all the time.well maybe if the worlds meaningless whats he harm it it gives us happiness and we can still survive. I have my doubts we could still survive if not in the garden of eden. you certainly won’t survive long if absolutely everyone is not also in that state including the wild animals. above our evolutionary phase huh? that’s exactly what we hippies used to say and you can still find our grandkids larping us in crunchy towns across america that basically have decided to act like they are tripping between trips.And yeah they think they have evolved to the next level the Uriah Heeps will tell you so, ‘ever so umbly’ They have “let go” of all our bourgeois attachments to things like cleanliness, productive work, discerning thinking. They used to call me the rock n roll republican because even as a youth i was ultra conservative but had hair down my back and looked sort of like .. i dont know a viking or a 70s rock star despite being all enlightened they could let go of their attachment that conservatives had to look a certain way.I like hippie chicks though until they really start to annoy me but at first they seem really feminine not the hard core ones with hairly legs and dreads though the 70s ones but they’re to old now.

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  • collen ryan Says:

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    ah yes of course you’re right coppola. it was a good film but i wouldn’t give it that much credit in fact i think apocalypse fits your cinematography bill much better. although Ill ay apocalypse isn’t as tableau cinematographic as kinetically cinemagraphic. watching a huey unload playmates is not as stunning out of context as it is in context.the same with many of the scenes its their contrast to what’s going on that gives the hyper reality feel of apocalypse and much of that era.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    HAS ANYONE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH THE FIRST TEN MINUTES OF THE AMAZON ELECTRIC SHEEP IT OPENS WITH HARSION FORD AND JAMES OLMOS REPLACED WIT A DIKEY BITCH AND A FAT MEXICAN I COULDN’T TAKE ANY MORE THAN 90 SECONDS

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    rohme Reply:

    although Ill ay apocalypse isn’t as tableau cinematographic as kinetically cinema graphic

    great point, i enjoyed apocalypse hundreds of times as a kid probably for that kinetic aspect alone, i remember the playmates, hyperreal is a great word

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    collen ryan Reply:

    ikm watching lawrence of arabia again which is pretty cinematic but theres only so much one can do with a desert or its inhabitants, however i when you made that comment i thought about other nominations and his dr zhivago i think is up there though i think Tolstoy not pasternak and lean should get the credit

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    rohme Reply:

    i’ve never seen lawrence of arabia or doctor zhivago! i know, a faux pas for a supposed cinema-lover. maybe i’ll watch one tonight. have you ever seen sergei bondarchuk’s war and peace? if not i highly recommend that when you have some free time, at least research it online to see if you’d be interested. although it’s long it’s immaculate. i never read war and peace but i’ve been told despite the length it’s written in such a way that you can’t put it down

    rohme Reply:

    i’ve just been informed by someone in-the-know that claude rains performance is impressive, so i’ll watch lawrence tonight, let you know what i think

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan don’t think I have but my memories bad these days,No wait Im pretty sure i did it came out in parts in new york a long time ago you had to go different nights cant remember where that was. Hmm ill look it up. I like tolstoy have you read his confession?

    you like difficult films huh, have you seen The Turin Horse ( wag its about Nietzsche horse kinda) or one one my favorites last year at Marienbad ( wag talk about altered states)

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    collen ryan Reply:

    and russian ark?

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    rohme Reply:

    yes your memory is perfect that was how it was released in new york

    i do know if i like difficult films as much as monumental. honestly, i think i prefer esther williams’ aqua-musicals over most “Cinema”

    marienbad – you mean, ‘last year in marienbad’? if that’s the movie then oh man that was tedium! too clever for me and i’m a mawkish commie pseudo intellectual!

    now, the restaurant scene from jacques tati’s playtime, that’s joyful. i like movies with a spark in them.

    how about who’s afraid of virginia woolf, you’ve seen that, richard burton? ..man nobody could act like him, i heard he used to recite eloisa to abelard with cotton balls and marbles in his mouth..

    russian ark i’d like to see, turin horse too.

    if you want something a little more ‘hardcore’, i recommend gaspar noe’s i stand alone, in fact i think you’d love it: the protagonist is a homicidal, homophobic, racist french ex-butcher.

    it’s in-your-face filmmaking and by the end you’ll be destroyed, i also guarantee it. the character’s last act is despicable but equally so desperate you’ll feel relieved by the restraint and tenderness he shows in comparison to what he could have really done that it’s perversely heartwarming – truly a mind-fucking experience; the first time watching that.

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    Wagner Reply:

    It really is sad that the Rohmes and Artxells will have to be exiled (or worse), it’s just such a waste of IQ, but I guess what needs to be done needs to be done.

    Hate to break it to you guys but The Godfather and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly are among the top 5 greatest movies ever, their high-ratings are warranted, call me a democrat. Hipster mentality taken to its ultimate conclusion claims breathing air is conformist therefore not punk but I somewhat like air.

    This is going to make people very jealous but I just started watching X-Files a month ago and it’s probably the best show out there imo, don’t you wish you could watch it again without having watched it the first time? Sucks to be you (I mean that).

    collen ryan Reply:

    Whos afraid of Virginia wolf is a great film and i can attest extremely accurate it was my childhood, Burton of course knew his subject. night of the iguana is another from that era/ genre i love. Turin Horse is like a fucking Bertolt Brecht play, Russian ark is wonderful though its experimental its one long unbroken take and was the first and only take.
    @ wag
    Those are also very great films I kind of hate numbering great films because there are really a lot of great films and to give any one of them a number less than ten seems to misrepresent their value. I do tend to agree that movies are better than films. While there have been some pure ‘films’ I have enjoyed i kind of think films like everything else in life should serve its intended purpose which is not giving me bragging rights for self torture.However if i inadvertently sit through one I’m not above getting whatever credit i can for the effort. Some movies are also films and to me that’s what makes them great works of art. Im pretty much like this about everything from painting to philosophy to politics.

    arts got no IQ he just is a good mime of that french jew crap he hasn’t gotten the first clue about whats being discussed he just parrots back the garbage his jew professor taught him in his affirmative action university. Rhome I dont know what motivates these guys we know the entire cathedral is run by the smartest guys in whiteland and yet they are prescribing their own and our death. the ones like the clintons and soros you figure they’re in it for the wealth and power, I suppose rhomes like a neocon correlative some childhood trauma fixated him on some aspect of his life that communism seemed to salve and so hes marshaled his talents in its defense ever since never really questioning. Honestly of all the questions we in nrx ponder rhomes why is to me the most perplexing why do intelligent people become leftists, molburg seems to think its mostly because other intelligent people did before them.Im sure thats part of it, as is the idea its a sort of religious enthusiasm ( which BTW on the topic of altered states is another variety have you read william james yet wag) and of course theres my locker stuffing resentment theory which is im sure a motivation for some. None seems to satisfy me but thats probably because my minds never worked that way, i simply cant ignore reality. its not that i cant be partisan if i feel one path is the better choice though its got some problems even problems the opposition points too. But leftism is clearly the end of the world who wants that. i dont even get valuing others over myself WTF is that about? Well we know what its about WAG its about someone read too much philosophy and was convinced there were “TRUTHS” and pledged ones life and sacred honor to defend those truths even if it meant self destruction. We have those types on the right and on the left. except the ones on the right truths usually are defending truths that align a bit better with their actual interests and actually sacrifice their real lives where the lefts truths are pretty other centered and they usually prefer to manipulate others into doing the real life sacrificing, but that’s nitpicking the commonality they both find theoretical values higher than reality because someone wrote something before they could be shot.

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  • Wagner Says:

    https://twitter.com/Outsideness/status/954189027346825216

    Welp we can expect Land to up the ante on the lies from here on out.

    The closer he gets to muh Dr. Gno the more outsideness turns inside out – this is axiomatic, fight me.

    Land: “Hmm Truth or shoes?”

    $ $
    O

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Dr Gno I like that, he just has this naughty

    In some ways haidt and peterson are a bigger threat than trump all are going to try and interrupt the restoration trump at least isnt intentional and has a trajectory that will either lead to monarchy or fascism if not derailed into neocuckism again. haidt and peterson are nice and reasonable yes i read them and cheer them but lets be clear while they may currently be heading in the right direction we all know they are going to get off the train at all men are created equal

    Land will retwit this
    “I strongly oppose actual democracy, to the point where I would be willing to go to war to prevent it.” and wag and all of you will here here it. But when i looked around at the real world outside moldburgia i see every elite is a communist and they are using there commie propaganda cathedral to counter the democracy of white proles who stupidly vote against more communism.And so while i separately understand hierarchy is great organizational tool, it really seems to have nothing to do with the problem we are actually having. The stupid proles have been so intransigent at the stupid demotive polls the elite aristocracy has brought in ringers from the third world to outvote them. Now i suppose it could be argued that if not for democracy the elites wouldn’t have had to resort to immigrants to enforce communism. But i think thats quite a stretch. i think elites were always going to bring in immigrants because whites rejected communism when elites tried for 100 years to enforce it and elites realized to get communism they would have to bring in useless mouths who would actually do better under it and who were not genetically averse to totalitarianism. This all seems so fucking clear that one starts to wonder if these so called reationaries against democracy are really not commie jews attempting another ploy. If i could press a button and take the votes away from all but the cog elites i would be living in san francisco where moldburg chooses to live. what am I missing.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Heres a bit of the stuff that makes me think i know the real nigger deal. So like all brooklynites my delimen are yemini. As with all niggers i am very upfront with them about my views and as usual its appreciated if not agreed with.Despite having told them repeatedly everyone needs to go back to their own country one in particular has ben lobbying me to vouchase his application to have his family brought over. Part of the process is a upstanding white guy needs to say you’re a good nigger. I wont do it but he keeps asking and i keep inquiring how its going because trumps policies have been one of the topics we discuss.Since trump got through the courts its taken a turn for the worse for his plan because yemin is on the shithole list because of the arab israeli shit no one understands. well you cant understand it unless you go to the its good for you know who and cant have that can we. So last week I asked hows the process going and he said our niggers in immigration have been unofficially advising him to re submit his application using another country. In other words our affirmative action niggers and no doubt at the direction of their jew bosses at immigration instead of upholding the law are suggesting ways to break the law that they will then conspire with.The plan is to have his family cross a border and then apply to have them immigrate as another nationality. Now living among all types of niggers my whole life and having their confidence i hear all sorts of shit like this that few whites know of. Did you know most of the IRS are niggers and so having a name like Inowanna Paywhiteystaxes is a good way to be sure you will not be scrutinized about having so many dependents because irs niggers understand black families are different and need to be treated different, so if you have the black tax preparer in the hood supply you with soc sec numbers for all the ‘dependents’ because well your real dependents are collecting welfare and that would reduce you refund er tax credit. Then hey it takes a village. I had one guy who asked me to decipher an irs letter for him bring me his tax returns. so he was working off the books for a jew most of his hours and claiming dependents that were really being raised and supported by there mothers on various caribbean islands. when i asked how he could claim non us citizens as dependents he said that they were citizens because what caribbeans do is take the ferry to puerto rico when its time to have the niglet and not only do you get the free medical but citizenship as well then you take the ferry back and collect welfare in a foreign nation and write the niglet off of the baby daddys whos never seen the kid taxes so he gets a child credit that means though he worked off the books 90% of his hours and paid a few hundred in taxes hes getting like $5000 back from the govt. lol niggers meaning all non whites have hundreds of these types of scams that the jews know all about but few whites have any clue of. If there’s a scam you can orchestrate by being an employee of a large company niggers have it covered everything from insurance scams medical scams fraudulent gift cards and returns and exchanges, farm loans car loans, passing tests and getting licenses you wouldn’t believe the level and ubiquitousness of nigger scamming. it doesn’t matter how educated or wealthy they all do it and all feel entitled to do it.Holder and Obama did it.the jews are masters of this shit.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “As with all niggers i am very upfront with them about my views and as usual its appreciated if not agreed with.”

    You’ve got to be kidding me. I’d have to see a video to believe this.

    “You’re a dirtclod, need to be put into a game park.”

    *he smiles and nods his head*

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    collen ryan Reply:

    they know they’re niggers wag if anything they resent liberals pretending otherwise. try being honest with them youll see it does take a sort of presence especially with the african ones they have to think they cant intimidate you. Think about it this way they are not brainwashed with leftism so to them this all seems like some crazy dream they expect to wake up from.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Rhome maybe you could actually explain you did finally admit youre a commie which im sure you were sort of exaggerating a bit or not. but youre a smart guy certainly well educated which i thinks the problem but deign to speak in language a steamfitter can understand and without defense just try and explain your motivation that those on the right cant seem to grasp the why of. why champion say the stupid of the world but find my own higher stupidity infuriating. One would think one who hated stupidity would hate it in degree to its depth. Now its true you could turn this on me and say I am hating on the low and the high which is usually the argument against me. I say i hate neither i just cant afford to live with the low and while i agree the high ought to be able to do a better job of solving that and other problems in reality they seem to be the ones causing the problems and saying im stupid for seeing it as a problem. so its not the high per se but how todays highs are acting that i object to.

    so rhome why be a communist do you think there’s moral duties to the low you must paternally defend, or that the only practical solution is too horrible and impractical that we must make do and hope for a miracle? if so what do you say to those who say that staying the leftist course will lead to the end of advanced civilization and therefore cause more suffering in the long run? any thoughts on the various theories of why elites adopt leftism?

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    Wagner Reply:

    I’m also interested in hearing Rohme’s answers to these questions.

    And yeah you’re probably right Artxell is just a thoughtless gibsmedat mime; in an alternate reality he’s probably a great teacher of Buddhism though.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    my guess is if rhome or any of them could resist the urge to get defensive the answer ha to be he finds things to be self evident and this is why i rant against the philosophers. everyone smart right or left seems to have found some clever wag thats convinced him of some morality or other and that the preservation of this truth is more important in the long run than life in the short run particularly if they can get others to do the dying in its defense. another reason i like war it sort of separates the posuers from the psychopaths,and i think when a man is defending his own life and his peoples lives he can pretty certain hes on the right side. I have been one of those guys and am still accused of being a muh white constutution talk to muh musket type. but im not I mean sure if i could edit the constitution a bit get rid of the all men being equal and stuff i say its a halfway decent contract for some white guys but Im not going to say ill die for its universal truth, the only truth ill die for is my particular truth my life is good. I know its fucking hard we are white men we philosophize we solve problems we must have a theory of everything. I want one too give me one i cant tear apart ill die for it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    https://www.facebook.com/XinhuaNewsAgency/videos/2291699414190823/

    funny jungle bunny

    Wagner Reply:

    A vid you posted that makes me crack up from time to time is the one of the white guy living under a bridge with an elaborate pull-out bed, and books, and dresser and whatnot.

    Yeah, that’s the Christian thing to do, live under bridges so the apes can live in our houses.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s interesting that you think the guy in the video is funny, because he’s actually putting your arguments – taking what he wants – into practice. Of course, he failed miserably. But that doesn’t alter the fact that his reasoning is exactly the same as yours.

    rohme Reply:

    “why champion say the stupid of the world but find my own higher stupidity infuriating..”

    We are all stupid. Stupidity is the condition for learning. One must be stupid to learn. Learning is the elucidation of an error. Every proof is the counter-proof to an error.

    why be a communist do you think there’s moral duties to the low you must paternally defend, or that the only practical solution is too horrible and impractical that we must make do and hope for a miracle?”

    What you impute as the ‘Communist Objective’ is more properly the domain of learning. Communism does not aspire to eliminate stupidity, but stupidity is eliminated in aspiring toward communism. I’m unsure on whether you’ve slogged through Marx but when he said, “The point is, however, to change it.” ‘it’ being the world, he meant one thing only: Accelerate!

    “if so what do you say to those who say that staying the leftist course will lead to the end of advanced civilization and therefore cause more suffering in the long run?”

    Now’s the time to extricate acceleration from leftism.

    Isn’t it a curious fact, Mike, that the Bolsheviks, in a short period of time, transformed an extremely backward, semi-feudal country into one of the most advanced industrial nations on Earth? Where there were more engineers and technicians than America, Britain, France, Germany and Japan had combined? The CIA

    Isn’t it a curious fact that, in the first Five Year Plan, the Soviet economy saw a rate of growth of 25% per annum?

    Land, from a post titled ‘Decline Frame’.

    “Elementary cybernetics predicts that if productivity is recycled into productivity, the outcome is an explosive process of increasing returns. Insofar as history is not manifesting accelerating productivity, therefore, it can be assumed that social circuitry is being fed through non-productive, and anti-productive links. Techno-commercial Modernity is being squandered on (Neo-Puritan) Progressivism. In the West, at least, that is what is getting worse.”

    The problem, Land is saying, is that the progressives are saying “We’ve accelerated enough, time for communism.” Land is saying “No, we’ve not. The time is nought. Such a thing would lead to the ruin of advanced civilization. Stagnation is death. Look at post-Stalinist Russia!” LOLOL

    “any thoughts on the various theories of why elites adopt leftism?

    The end of feudalism, the rise of the merchant class, democratic reforms, Christianity, take your pick.

    Wagner Reply:

    I guess I’m a commie in the sense that I see that many capitalists are mosquitos of men who screw people over. I just think people deserve fair pay for their labor, call it communism or call it fairism, people shouldn’t be screwed by greedy scumbags. So maybe we can find common ground on this.

    This though is why I tend to disassociate myself from commies:

    “We are all stupid.”

    Would you please answer the question I put to Artxell earlier? Does nothing rub you the wrong way about the prospect of 68 IQ Somalians replacing India’s avg 82 IQ population? What about 68 IQ Somalians replacing 102 IQ Italy?

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID FUCKING BLOODY WOG

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    collen ryan Reply:

    from la wik kerala model

    More precisely, the Kerala model has been defined as:

    A set of high material quality-of-life indicators coinciding with low per-capita incomes, both distributed across nearly the entire population of Kerala.
    A set of wealth and resource redistribution programmes that have largely brought about the high material quality-of-life indicators.
    High levels of political participation and activism among ordinary people along with substantial numbers of dedicated leaders at all levels. Kerala’s mass activism and committed cadre were able to function within a largely democratic structure, which their activism has served to reinforce.[2]

    now listen carefully you stupid fucking nigger “A set of wealth and resource redistribution programmes” thays communism. ok so kerala is a shit hole within a shithole and you are just another shit brain telling us how great hugo chavez innovations are going to turn out. The solution to the nigger problem is let nature take its course and reduce niggers to a size that can be supported with the minimal brainpower they have. these plans to have whites pay to support niggers lead to more niggers surviving and having yet more niggers and eventually out growing the ability of whites supporting them at which point instead of a couple hundred thousand niggers dying a year from stupidity a few billions are going to die.

    youre an idiot regarding the american indians they expanded into north america as you admit from mongolia they constantly genocided each other until we also expanded into north america and accommodated them as best they would allow there are in fact more red niggers in the us than during pre columbian times, living out west i know a lot and even go to many pow wows since we have common cause with the scourge of alcoholism. I have never met a one that wishes they were still living as they once did and have listened at least a dozen times to them make jokes to that effect. Theyre a pretty dumb ass group on the whole even more violent than black niggers which is probably the best thing you can say about them is they are always up for a fight. which is of course why we had to kill a lot of them but they have bounced back under our welfare. yeah their old culture was mostly lost and as an actual multiculturalist i think that regrettable and why i would reduce all the nigger varieties to game park sized herds culling the westernized ones and removing all western tech from them. basically reducing all non whites to pre colonization game preserves. but you like the prairie niggers want white stuff they want pickup trucks and to drink sterno you want to larp rhome

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Collenic] “@collen ryan

    SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID FUCKING BLOODY WOG”

    {AK}: You seem to be talking to yourself again, collenic. Bit of an identity crisis? Looks like you’re a schizophrenic as well as a psychopath.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’ll be pleased to know that Indians invented democracy before the Greeks, so of course you’re going to be happy to give that up.

    You have to give up the number system; a lot of mathematics, most of it really; logic, though that won’t be any loss to you; most of your philosophy, except the stupidest ones; you’ll have to give all of that up, and a lot more, probably, if you want to be culturally pure according to the achievements of your ‘people’.
    You’ll have to recalibrate a lot of your machinery, of course, as well as borrowed cultures in your purge.

    India would not really be so badly affected.
    Every day, you continue to confirm, with your prodigious ignorance, the phrase “All ambition, but no ability”.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    art your imbecilic mind is full of a lot of jew bullshit they implanted in you to help them do battle with whites, you didn’t invent shit in maths I dont love democracy only say whites and only whites seem to be genetically predisposed to it, if india had it earlier bully for you well its not really something to brag about its a matter of does it or doesnt it match ones genetics, id say its a poor fit for all nigger races, its not even great for whites but it how we are.In a nigger country like india it would e like oh wait youre using it now so thats what it does in a nigger nation-shit.

    genocide yeah that’s called evolution the better selected take what they need, the english needed some tea and sapphires i guess who gives a fuck. what is you convoluted thought ? why do i care where you live if i still own everything, well arty i own pigs on my barony and i don’t let them out of the areas i decided they should stay in. Or is the question why should you pigs stay where i want you if i’m going to kill you anyway. well speaking logically to a pig for what its worth because you have a better chance of living longer and better if you do as you’re told, i dont go out of my way to turn totoises pigs or wogs over in the midday sun, i dont currently need india to do anything but contain itself, so theres that. philosophically putting myself in the hoofs of a wog? yeah sure you should have a another salt rebellion and claim you wrote walden pond and invented civil disobedience and play your genetic cards for all they are worth, in fact if you think playing the jews game is your best chance of your genetic cards lasting long enough to draw an inside straight its your absolute duty to Gnon to life to dre I say it humanity to fight like hell to dominate the universe.Im just not betting any money on that, if i were an indian i would back the jew play because well the jews always lose in the end, and because frankly by some metrics you have out done the jews. But its really none of my business Gnon has given me my own cards to play, your commie jew version of universal truth and morality has no more pull on me than jeffersons. it burns calories to stoop down and flip over a turtle for sheer mischief, im more likely to right a turtle simply to reinforce in my own mind that life is good and my own life is therefore best.I have said that when one looks very long term both forward and backward one does ask why the fuck we still have niggers on our planet, shouldnt we think about at least reducing them to manageable numbers to reduce their own suffering because life is good and to unclutter our minds and take away sob stories for commie whites like rhome to use to wreck shit, i also say while its very far fetched that say India will outstruggle us its more than zero so while we have the advantage isnt it logical to preemptively make that zero. It may be a bit nitpicky but I like to be exact.most people though im sure would be fine with indian just staying in india and starving themselves down to a population where they needn’t be a bother and an eyesore to us whites. so ide say your best shot is to do that and quietly try to build a strategy before we decide we need more tea or something

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    As expected, you have no argument, except USA military power, which is larger than the rest of the world’s combined, but which isn’t actually yours to command. So you have no argument.
    Actually, obviously Indian mathematicians invented a lot of mathematics, which Europeans consistently misunderstood, taking centuries to catch up. That catching up is still going on today, with Ramanujan’s work. And in terms of philosophies of difference, that was all done in India, too, well over a 1000 years before the contemporary French representations which you were erroneously complain about as as Communist. It’s getting rather boring having to make allowances for your stupidity. Your cultural knowledge, alone, is incredibly impoverished.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    why do you keep trying to conflate me with the usa and your former colonial masters, the usa and great britain etal are my enemies they are communist nations trying to kill my people. There’s nothing up there about my using the usa to do anything but the usa before zog lol was a white country and because of that it can do anything it want militarily as i have told you that sort of power is a result of intelligence and other traits not something that can spring up despite a lack of them. it wasnt even an argument it was the clarification you required when you misquoted me as wantonly violent to you wogs i merely stated any violence i might decide on would be based on the sensible principle of self interest, in fact i explicitly pointed out few of my fellow whites are as practically minded and if you kept your head down you would probably go unmolested.your reading comprehension is really terrible art. Ramanujan lmao oh i see you have been mucking about on (((netflix))) sigh for someone who wants to get all mathematical on my steamfitting ass you really dont seem to get the first thing about statistics.Has anyone here ever claimed every last indian was a moron, have i not admitted i myself a white man am only a couple of measly Sds above average well three above the indian average. No Art Im sure india has some exceptional minds, not you of course. If it makes you feel any better your northern neighbor who is much more intelligent ON AVERAGE is also in my little ghetto, there are all sorts of traits besides intelligence and basically in the end it doesn’t really even have to do with the objectionable traits so much as I think I ought to be allowed a country of my own and one cant have a country of ones own when its full of niggers can one no matter how great these niggers might be they are not well europeans.As Wag has asked you a dozen time art whats so fucking hard about that to understand? we are just tired of your company and wish to be left alone go home already you have overstayed your welcome simple we need some alone time some space we are tired of having company and being forced to be polite and not notice you stink of ghee and are stupid and corrupt that youre stealing from us and being rude and cheating and all the rest GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE

    collen ryan Reply:

    from Vox it reminded me of you

    A Peace Corps volunteer confirms that the choice facing the West is a simple one between inside plumbing and shit in the streets:
    Three weeks after college, I flew to Senegal, West Africa, to run a community center in a rural town. Life was placid, with no danger, except to your health. That danger was considerable, because it was, in the words of the Peace Corps doctor, “a fecalized environment.”

    In plain English: s— is everywhere. People defecate on the open ground, and the feces is blown with the dust – onto you, your clothes, your food, the water. He warned us the first day of training: do not even touch water. Human feces carries parasites that bore through your skin and cause organ failure.

    Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that a few decades later, liberals would be pushing the lie that Western civilization is no better than a third-world country. Or would teach two generations of our kids that loving your own culture and wanting to preserve it are racism.

    Last time I was in Paris, I saw a beautiful African woman in a grand boubou have her child defecate on the sidewalk next to Notre Dame Cathedral. The French police officer, ten steps from her, turned his head not to see.

    I have seen. I am not turning my head and pretending unpleasant things are not true.

    Senegal was not a hellhole. Very poor people can lead happy, meaningful lives in their own cultures’ terms. But they are not our terms. The excrement is the least of it. Our basic ideas of human relations, right and wrong, are incompatible.

    collen ryan Reply:

    art I have to remind you, you have yet to answer the question does your equalism go both ways do you assert you are equal to an african nigger? or do you assert you are only equal to a white and we are both the betters of an african nigger? what caste are you and do you brag about being a higher caste than lower ones when you are not being watched by euros? tell the truth arty its really clear you think youre better than lots of people.How do you explain ideas low average IQ is it because essentially theres are many races in india and some are really unintelligent but you are of a race that is high IQ?

    Wagner Reply:

    It’s weird we both still expect him to actually answer our questions.

    Do you think he consciously lies to us or does he lie to himself?

    He calls us inferior in one breath and in the next denies hierarchy as such (hierarchy being the existence of inferior/superior). Everything is constructed unless it supports his leftist politics–leftist politics which, according to him, he doesn’t have.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Talking about “honest monkey’s wages” sounds a little moralistic in the world of taking that you promote. If you’re quite happy to take from others, destroying what they have, your talking about honesty can only be hypocrisy. Don’t whine.
    What exactly have you ‘built’? You seem to be getting rather sentimental and proprietorial about arrangements you built out of scavenged and stolen ideas and resources. Why the fuck should anyone care, really? Is anyone taking your personal stuff? No.

    It’s kind of unfortunate that the USA and Britain are your enemies, considering you live in the USA.

    The vaunted military power of the current USA is based on a host of factors, not merely the cherry-picked data points you’re trying to enshrine as an unquestioned exceptionalism. But even if we allow that enshrinement, you’ve already stated that the current USA is your enemy.
    Your alleged “sensible principle of self-interest”, which you now offer so humbly, was based on an explicit claim to ownership of the entire planet; and genocide of the majority of non-whites, except for the consignment of a handful to game reserves.
    Now it seems that you’ve lowered your horizons and are seeking out a mere country of your own. But why are you telling me? I’m not in the USA, nor do I own any countries to give you.

    Your problem is that the country you live in is your enemy, and really it was never your country anyway. In all likelihood, you were unwanted criminal rejects from Europe, anyway. Nobody wants you. No one cares about the self-interest of a genocidal, stupid prat such as yourself.

    There is a musician from Senegal who lives locally. He’s very popular and well-liked, here, most countries would rather have him than you. He doesn’t shit in the street. Nor is he a shithead.

    I never claimed any ‘equalism’, so your questions are irrelevant.

    collen ryan Reply:

    @collen ryan

    art if you think your genetic strategy is best expressed in whining for your supper gnon bless you if the nigger in the videa thinks robbery is his best option gnon be with him.I think you would both be better off in your own countries doing nigger things but you disagree and thats going to have consequences. you dont think so you think multiculturalism is just getting warmed up. good on ya bloke. we shall see won’t we. If Im so wrong in my prediction that we have passed peak multiculturalism id love to know why you have been slumming it over here on an NRX blog for half a decade trying to get noticed. did you think we hadnt had leftism explained well enough yet and you were just the wog to make nick understand leftism is the real truth?

    Youre an idiot you dont even know what youre doing here do you? well we do you’re trying to get away from the stench of your own people, you’re larping (((whitey))). its sad youre a house nigger an uncle tom offay hiyella nigga a false consciousness nigga. taking is honest whining is faggotry. reification of names nigga reification. whining for sympathy from those you hate because they remeind you of your stench is faggot dishonesty. the robbing nigger is at least honest he hates and hes going to do what he needs to get his. even when he begs for mercy its at least genuine fear of prison. you are dishonest in ever fibre of your soulless black animal hide.at least the starving fly swatting indians are being indians youre just an ape in a costume whining for bananas. I know you know this is true its why you cant stop coming back for more abuse. just stop it. leave this blog and never come back leave england ithates you it raped your nation stop larping english go home and learn to be a man

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Producing the same tired invective doesn’t mask your inferiority. “All ambition, but no ability.”
    All you do is talk about yourself, it’s really boring, US Americans do too much of that. Keep doing it, keep losing.

    Wagner Reply:

    https://imgur.com/a/fHBEt

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Said Waggy, with his microscopic (re) cognition.

    collen ryan Reply:

    My inferiority is beside any point worth discussing here,we are talking about large groups here you fucking moron, its been five years and you dense little shit brain have still not grasped the central insight of reaction -GROUP AVERAGES ARE REAL AND THEY MATTER. It doesn’t matter if you were Ramanujan himself and I was the mouth breathing white trash imbecile Rhome suspects, it changes nothing. No art I don’t talk about myself here unless asked about myself as wag and others have occasionally done. It is you like a typical jew trained commie that repeatedly tries to personalize what i assert, and forces me to reiterate where the line between my assertions and peron were clearly delineated.We still have no idea WTF you are doing here, you haven’t read a shred of reaction yet have trolled this blog for half a decade whining about racism and commism. we dont give a fucking shit about your tired old disgraced ideologies. we know for a fact the poor are poor because they are inferior and nigger races are inferior and women are inferior these things are not fucking debatable communism leads to economic collapse these are facts. And yet despite all evidence you keep mindlessly parroting what some stupid fucking jew has installed in your worthless chimp brain. GO THE FUCK AWAY WE DON’T WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY WE HAVE HEARD THAT BULLSHIT FOR DECADES AND WATCHED IT WRECK THE WORLD.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Statistical data can be insightful, but equally, are fraught with interpretational difficulty. A statistical reading is a datum requiring consideration, not simplistic, religious adherence. Context is everything. I’ve dealt with these areas over the years, to various degrees. It’s nothing new. If that’s your core argument, you’re going to lose again. Your problem is inadequate ability, which is why you fixate so much. You don’t really have a clue, do you. You stated that your IQ is only 130, could be the reason.

    collen ryan Reply:

    “Statistical data can be insightful, but equally, are fraught with interpretational difficulty.” well yeah arty we get that its baked in. But go ahead and tell the class why these “interpretational difficulties” make alowwing nigers into white nations, giving women power, or universal elections in the interest of the white men who built these nations. because arty its been five years and not anly have you failed to understand what we think you have failed to express what you think, besides that you’re a resentful little nigger that is desperate for land to pat you on the head.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Statistical data can be insightful, but equally, are fraught with interpretational difficulty”

    Go on….

    If you’re going to assert something, back it up.

    Do you care if 68 IQ Somalians replace India’s avg 82 IQ population? Why or why not.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    What you all think is obvious, both your anxieties and your answers, though, stem from the very resentment you’re trying to project onto me. Consider: if you claim that I have “failed to express” what I think, how would you know that? If you don’t know what I think, then how would you know or not whether there’s been any failure of expression? If you think you know what I think, but you consider I have not actually said it, then you’re basing that on an assumption of your own knowledge, not mine. In both cases, there is only what you claim to be a failure of expression, yet you base your attribution of resentment on that alleged failure that only you claim.
    I’ve been clear enough in my statements, it’s all there on the page. Your and Waggy’s evasions; Land’s avoidance; are all equally obvious.
    ‘White men’, are built by ‘white women’. If you’re declaring war on women, they could just abandon male offspring, just as the ancient Greeks did, to those that they considered weak. As for Nick Land, he doesn’t seem to be doing too well against my critiques, either. He is at least clever enough not to try answering them.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, your question concerning national IQ averages is based on a nest of problems and assumptions all of which require due consideration, not scaremongering simplification. In addition, IQ is not the only factor worth worrying about, there are many others, you can’t really separate these things, they need to be understood in a deeper way.
    Having said all that, your fear of ‘replacement’ is probably misplaced, given the informational conditions we live in, which, if anything, are rapidly increasing. This can only drive corollary IQ increases. But IQ increase, alone, is not a universal panacea, especially if it’s allied to destructive forces. Fragmentation and absolute war, merely fuelled by higher IQ intelligence, isn’t really going to give anyone what they want.

    Wagner Reply:

    Imagine that you’re a patchlord. What non-IQ standards do you take into consideration before admitting someone in?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I have absolutely no interest in such ridiculous administrations. These things work themselves out naturally. People don’t need to be told what to do, or where to go.
    If you look at how jazz musicians work, that’s probably a far better model of how affiliations occur. Birds of a feather, flock together. Let people do their own thing, then naturally as they mature they broaden. There is always competition and cooperation, you can’t always prejudge or fix these things in advance. Really, it all depends on what people want to do.

    collen ryan Reply:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/21/indian-education-minister-dismisses-theory-evolution-no-one/

    we know what you think because you’re a resentful little commie nigger and talk like one and resent like one and cite other resentful little commie niggers like your deconstruct jew commie jew niggers.
    The fact that you run commie nigger games like whining about colonialism and saying whites are secretly insecure about niggers and evading direct questioning about your assertions does not mean we dont know what youre about in fact your typical commie nigger ” debate” ( insert video of nigger debate team we have all seen here) tactics only confirm what we have observed. The fact that you grovel here for half a decade waiting for the great philosopher land to acknowledge your groveling little ass is just fucking priceless. You indians have a groveling trait thats really world class, I honestly cant think of a race that better knows it place in the order.Ok maybe there are some close relatives of your in south (jungle) asia that are close.Its not an accident you have captured the market in groveling as corporate customer service reps. Press one to speak to a groveling indian. You keep responding to wag and I despite our repeatedly beating you because you know we are your natural masters and only we or land can give you any status but we wont, because you are a bad pupil and must be beaten until you learn. We are now post post colonial, forget everything the commie jew taught you hes on his way to a gulag as we speak. Trump is now publicly calling shitholes shitholes reification of names india is one big shithole, it got that way because it is populated by streetshitting shitskins just like haiti, you want to live here in whitopia because its a great place built by great white people like in Norway. and GREAT WHITE Britain where you went because you knew when they raped you shithole nation they were your natural masters, and your were a natural slave. reification of names wog. Ok its true we fucked up and let the jews get a bit out of control but we have informed them unless they want a massive ass raping off israel by every muslim nation ever they are going to resume their groveling sniveling filthy jew status and be glad we dont holocaust them again. don’t believe me read the times telling us all about shitholes may be shitholes full of shit people but trump was being rude, read all the articles saying how democracy has had its run how the EU is going to crash we only need to know how soon, how populist nazis are sweeping the white world because they brought shitskins from shitholes into white nations while letting the filthy jew rob us blind and the people have had enough .
    so arty shut the fuck up and listen we are giving you good advice get ahead of the stampede and get to your shithole and open a shithole adjustment business for returning shitskins. The jews cant afford to carry you they have their own asses to worry about now, youre no longer an asset youre evidence of their treason.

    collen ryan Reply:

    and no arty left accelerationism isn’t going to save you, nor is its identical twin (who never been spotted in the same room with) right accelerationism, they are both just fancy words for globalism and ZOG -not happening , if you weren’t such a moron you would understand nrx was your commie jew controlled controlled opposition friend.

    all thats going to happen is white men are going to flex a little muscle give s tern look at the jews and bitches, whisper something in some billionaires ears and things are going to revert to pre 60s.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re just another shithead that can’t think coherently, collenic. That’s been proved that in your comments. Trying to hide that inferior quality with excessive reports of sociopolitical quantity doesn’t alter anything. You still exemplify, “all ambition, but no ability”, the real creed of the Neoreactionary.

    Wagner Reply:

    So on one hand you advocate zero discrimination, on the other you seem to believe in inferiority and ability. Which one is it?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I haven’t advocated anything, nor stated any belief. Your and collenic’s demonstrations of inferiority occurred through both your respective inabilities in logic. Your basic incomprehensions remain – neither of you gave effective or relevant answers. Instead, collenic and you go on about French Communist blah blah, when it isn’t really anything to do with that. You’re both really the most stupid, fucked-up, shitheads! Only in the USA, can such crap prosper, lol!
    How ‘Communist’ is that, the complete reverse of any kind of meritocracy!

    Wagner Reply:

    Ah so you believe in meritocracy. Do you believe in the merit of being able to consistently use a toilet?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Given that you live in the USA, it’s kind of difficult to know what you mean by that, given the cultural differences, et al. Apparently, the entire nation is a toilet.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/216571-pig-waste-pollution-drone/

    collen ryan Reply:

    as I have said art your ‘evidence’ that wag and i are morons is that we more or less accept the basic tenets of nrx alt right HBD etc. so I have said bring it to who ever in nrx you think a worthy opponent, speak your truth, you have at times said modburg land and others are also morons so what can we say art. you are a aging homsexual employee in a small town english curry take out shop, serving rancid ghee and filth to the neglected lower classes of england whos jew pozzed elites have squandered trillions on useless fucking niggers like yourself. and yet you are smarter than us all huh.
    you do in fact spout deconstruct and acceleration comyisms and whiney nigger resentments, this does in fact pass as degree worthy university these days, so Im sure someone once told you you were smart but we dont give out false praise here. we do praise a couple of actually smart niggers, in fact we have suggested you debate with rhazib or jayman both of who are niggers i freely admit are smarter than i am, go at them and see if you dont get the same response you cur, Im done making a fool out of you, like most niggers your are ineducable, its ironic you keep saying we are all ambition and no ability because disproportionately high self esteem is in fact a nigger trait, and while wag and i and the entire alt right only aspire to have a discussion amongst ourselves about how best to save our nations and people, you a fucking curry slinger have decided you’re going to take on the nrx and that you a faggot nigger are smarter than us all and have a curry colored website five years old where you debate nick land all by yourself no ones yet made a comment, im probably the only one who has even read more than a few words or visited it. so who is the nigger with absurd ambitions and ghee for brains. go away you sad little man

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The evidence had nothing to do with Neoreactionary tenets, it didn’t even get to that point. The fact that you don’t understand that, after a number of clear explanations on the other post, only confirms your incompetence as persistent full-scale ignorance. No amount of boring ideological regurgitation or self-projection, on your part, can compensate for that deficiency.
    Clarity emerges on its own terms, “there can be only one”; it’s not a publicity hound, and it doesn’t need allies. If you weren’t up for the intellectual contest, you should have kept your mouth shut and not bothered commenting.

    Wagner Reply:

    Goddamnit that is hilarious, I haven’t laughed that much for a long time. You really do put Moldbug, Land, Jim, and the assorted woke frogs to shame. Peter Thiel, I beseech you to sign Mike up for a cryogenic freeze – free of charge!

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s good to laugh, at least you won’t be sore losers.

    Posted on January 19th, 2018 at 3:50 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    yes he is and i respect him for that a lot more than i respect you for whining for your supper didn’t i just say at least the good kind of indians are always up for a fight? Didn’t i just say i not only support you safron niggers putting up as good a fight as you can, haven’t i always said gnon is gnon, forget niggers cockroaches might conquer the universe.But art what is good in life? To crush your enemies…. well that pavement ape was crushed and thats funny yes i can also salute those about to die at least trying to live, but i was in the mood for a laugh. My high minded side has repeatedly given fatherly advice to you that you should fee this place where you are at a disadvantage and will always be a monkey whining for his super or trying to steal and getting his hand caught in the coconut. But you are a lazy little monkey that doesn’t want to make an honest monkeys wages in the jungle you would rather live off the jews stipends for wrecking what the white man builds. One day like the ape in the video you will wish you had left when you could have, and I will be laughing, when that day comes I want you to perk up your little monkey ears and listen for my laugh

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    I shouldn’t bother but im bored and procrastinating some shit Id rather not do so trolling arty between net waves amuses me slightly.

    to answer the question, to me its a much lower order of the same question i ask rhome and myself for several decades why why why, as dumb as arty is hes bright enough to know indians very well that commism is a scam and why he wants to live in someone else’s country, im sure he knows perfectly well hes personally selective about all sorts of things. so on some level Im sure hes asked himself why am I such a fucking lying hypocrite. and the answer is either cause i hate those white bitches who humiliated my people, or some jew professor pozzd my brain when i first realized my people had been humiliated and i actually think commism is rational cuz im a really stupid person and cant do maths. But even if its commism its still tribal just some sort of class tribe that conveniently includes his race tribe. which is why rhome has to be smoking some ayahuasca on a regular basis unless hes secretly getting paid by clinton or soros or hes a jew, cuz rhome if hes really a smart white guy has nothing to gain and everything to lose from commism and multiracial redistributionism, unless hes deciding based on psych issues like nerd resentment rabid individualism etc still sems to me like taking cyanide for a headache though

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    Wagner Reply:

    I wish I could say that, I’m just dying of loneliness is my excuse. Being a woke white male in this time period fuckin sucks. I feel like I’m an old curmudgeon stuck in a young man’s body, and day by day I just get more and more fed up. You’d think that thinking past taboo barriers in order to help fix your culture’s dismal situation would meet with positive results but all it gets is pariah-hood. Sorry, I don’t like complaining, I’m just going to mosey off and buy some rum. Maybe make some tacos. Yeah, animal distractions from this mess I’ve gotten myself into. N told me to expect this, but I didn’t really take him seriously. My family wants me to study law but that’s such normie garbage I could never do it. I just like screwing with the beliefs our culture adheres to most piously! What else is there in life?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Hobbies are what have always given meaning to white life and inadvertently raised the standard of living of the world.find something that interests you even a bit and see if getting into it interests you even more dont let this idea of you have to be a professional to get that far into something stop you. You want beginner’s mind hobbies are the short cut to zen. They will likely solve your social problem too. No doubt your peers are pozd libtards everyone’s are and it does really really suck, however you will be surprised at what you can get away with when you are full of other things as well. try some things that are not intellectual as well. when i was a drunk ok practicing drunk, i honestly couldn’t think what was worthwhile in the world. In early sobriety i figured out i wasnt really wrong that the world kinda sucked i was wrong that i had to take it personally. Now thats something of course i still struggle with, im not a happy warrior im pretty pissed off about the situation. I mean yeah the stupidity is so obvious why cant they just stop it- Rhome. But I also got it into my head to build a cabin in the woods and all the things that went along with that which are pretty endless. Like i just ordered an expensive microscope which was my favorite present when i was a kid, but Im going to use it to test my soil and plants and livestock which all have tests simple enough even a steamfitter can read some books and figure out. I got into experimental aviation and falconry and even klutzy snowboarding. I like to build things i like designing them too one of my favorite things is graph paper.I could go on but its your thing dont waste you youth enjoy your body i was never into sports until i started running in my late thirties first i hated it then i loved it and wondered wtf was my problem im 6-3 and was 200 lbs i should have loved sports i began to really love seeing what i could make my body do now prolly still wouldnt like to be on a team but .. anyway lifes really big im sure youll find something if you really think about it, in this day and age you can really do anything want to go on an anthropology dig no problem want to take some MIT courses online for free no problem,

    My opinion on careers. I used to say if i knew at 18 what i knew later id have gone to a school that tracked me into wall street and made 50 million by thirty and retired. you can make a case against that sort of intense career commitment but i think few are ever really satisfied being poor unless one thinks they really have what it takes to be a vagabond into old age they may find they end up with limnited choices in mid age and exert even more energy just staying afloat. The really lucky ones have some thing that really makes them so happy they dont care about what it pays. i wasnt lucky like that lots of interests even law but they all would take a lot of weducation and i wasnt THAT interested. some take their satisfaction in family in fact most do im not wired that way either i dont think. steamfitting paid well enough with almost zero commitment so I stayed even after getting sober but worked half years, be a homicide detective big city cops make 100k and a lot of benefits be an academic and have the summers off. i say start a business. sell chinese shit on amazon and make youtube videos crazy money and you can do it from your phone anywhere in the world.

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    rohme Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE8U7n5ELqA

    Wagner Reply:

    “No doubt your peers are pozd libtards everyone’s are and it does really really suck”

    I don’t know how you do it. They all have identical political conclusions my grandmother has from watching too much TV; I love my gramma but she doesn’t act like these are radical insights she holds. These morons act like they’re enlightened when all they are is old ladies that do what they’re told. Even Land is a “pozd libtard”, that’s what’s really saddening to me. Even the few frogs I like to keep up with on twitter are always pussyfooting around, it makes me depressed.

    This is why your call for an ethnostate is retarded, you’re pretty much the only cool one I know, Mike. How many Mikes are there out there? Your ethnostate would be half the size of Rhode Island.

    Sure, call for it, I call for it too, but 90% of whites I’ve met I wouldn’t want to live anywhere around. And you can’t just blame this on the Jews. This is whites. Whites by and large are utterly worthless and possess zero degree of autonomy. Blaming it on the Jews begs the question of how whites let this happen. Let me give you a hint: it’s because they’re fucking retards. Are spics and ragheads even more retarded? Well, no shit, but you seem to have this fantasy that whites aren’t akin to them in stupidity – they are.

    Just take a look at this flippin’ imbecile (as you Brits say):

    https://imgur.com/a/3Vvfk

    How do you derive democracy from that? He’s right, most Westerners agree with him. Your appeal to democracy is a fantasy. People aren’t going to listen to your rants, only a small minority will, enough to fill 1/10 of Rhode Island. They all have down’s syndrome on the inside Mike, their faces might not show it but their beliefs do. The only option is to … … oh wait, we can’t state that out in the open can we. *devilish smirk*

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Wag i think your link answers the question, the vast majority of people make choices based on social consensus. This is actually a good thing because a nation of mes would be a viking apocalypse. So yes now they all have stupid consensus give them a better consensus and they will adopt that too. My ‘ethno state ” is simply a euro nation back before the jews or christians gave the majority of people a bad opinion to hold. The bonus is the good opinion we give them will make everything work better and not require keeping them pozd into vacuity. yeah most will still hold their opinions to be respectable but we could raise the level of people who actually understand things because we wouldn’t be hiding all these truths and that would make life with them a bit more fun. I said you’d be surprised what you can get away with when you are engaged with people in ways they are not guarded, its because they do often hold opinions that are not quite permitted but to some extent they hide them from others and to some extent from even themselves. They have doublethink they want to be good but their lying eyes, so you can do things like trick them into admitting a principle by applying it to a non fraught topic first or you can simply get their trust and see how far they have realized the bullshit lies. im not suggesting you do this only that if you engage with people socially you will find its a little bit better than we think. ultimately we are pretty much nazis so there’s going to be a limit even with pretty hard right people, but our nazism is pretty theoretical i don’t really want to have to send the jews to camp, and while most cant see the distinction between wanting to and being perhaps forced to it is a distinction. its not something i really need to discuss with the un pilled. better to discuss with them how an increase in the labor supply drives down wages. stop looking at fat sweatsuit whites as whites think back to when it wasnt so bad ahhhh you never saw the world the way it was. yes this is one of the lefts assets moving slow. trust me it can be better. what you see now is what was done to whites. look at niggers then niggers in the west are soo much worse than in most of their own countries and wayyyy worse than they were 50 years ago. leftism is really bad for people. but as i say its not all leftism capitalism has a large part in this that we need to figure out. Im more worried about free markets than free people.just a pun but materialism and mass shit is killing us all. and anyway you dont have to live anywhere near 99.9999999995 whites just those who live in the neighborhood you pick i chose one where my nearest neighbor is 6 miles away lol. which has the effect of making me crave a stupid conversation with a retarded normie

    Wagner Reply:

    “my nearest neighbor is 6 miles away lol.”

    This sounds like the dream.

    “which has the effect of making me crave a stupid conversation with a retarded normie”

    Please explain this.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    of course consider the source

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-18/explosive-shocking-and-alarming-fisa-memo-set-rock-dc-end-mueller-investigation

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    im liking that gold chart

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  • collen ryan Says:

    im also a social animal and while they can be annoying if i engage them say on diesel mechanics or gardening Im fine and get my fill of society without getting annoyed. its like i said about women you cant expect to get everything you need from everyone you know, so have friends for topics or hobbies. Thats probably what everyone does anyway but it took me a while to stop probing people until i found a reason to discard them.

    So i think you said you were a real neo nazi what happened to lowbrow then you found dr land? the only other neo nazi i knew is this jewish chick thats now a lawyer for the innocence project lol just a phase i guess. I did meet Butler in idaho actually i was in the army navy store when he came in and tried to recruit the owner and i eavesdropped while the owner said the jesus he knew wasnt down with that. owners pretty alex jones though but christian too and butler seemed pretty retarded but they had a little parade with half a dozen runaways and it made the papers back in nyc so much i never stopped getting asked about all the nazis in idaho after a while i realized this was a good thing to keep liberals from moving there so now i always talk about all ythe nazis in idaho lol but really theyre scarce lotsa pretty sensible people though and some dumbasses i guess too, it is the kind of place that drew a lot of extreme types before the re got so expensive

    wag listen to me brother get the fuck out of the house and have some youngin fun.just put that big brain on pause and be stupid and have fun. lifes fucking short

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    we already know what its answer will be just more hifalutin evasion and insult, I say we give him the Spacey treatment and just look right through this insignificant nigger like the empty space he is. better yet we should exit and wreck another cuckrx blog lol

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    Wagner Reply:

    Heh heh heh, whose? Tag-team wrestlin’!

    There are lots of people out there with higher IQs than us but I think our edge is that we have functioning bullshit detectors paired with an unwillingness to submit. These latter two seem to be distinct from IQ. This is actually pretty obvious when you look at all the really, really smart Cathedralists who are nothing more than conformist robots. “Whoa cool you just gave me 200 pages of the same thing grandmothers believe from watching the TV, you’re soooo smart.”

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    Wagner Reply:

    This is one of my favorite things Yarvin ever said:

    “My critics are behaving very appropriately and effectively within the moral system they were trained in. Frankly, I admire them. They strike me as natural aristocrats, and I think they would be excellent people in a better world. They are intelligent, energetic, industrious, and often even witty.” (2016)

    At first I took it as a beautifully subtle “neg” but thinking about it more, I think it just shows that he is a “real human being”.

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    Wagner Reply:

    If Trump were to use this style of rhetoric (truth) he would make lottttttsa left-cogs feel like absolute garbage, is my sense.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Thats funny cause while you were writing that i went on a moldburg rant. I dont know really what to make of MM, obviously I like something I just dont know if im also being flattered by a devious jew or if hes a well meaning but mistaken jew. They are natural aristocrats and your grandmas a natural grandma. People are social animals they calculate subconsciously the cost benefit of not going along and usually go along.As we saw in germany in a few decades they can all be turned into nazis if thats what you want to do. The thing is they dont get pozzed to extremes such as suicidal leftism or murderous nazim without a lot of guidance. so it the guides we are concerned with. This isnt a result of cromwell and the puritans getting out of control, the puritans were eclipsed within their own lifetimes. They were appalled at thei own children and grandchildrens mercantilism over spiritualism meanwhile down the coast a far more successful celtic band of settlers was also on the march. Aristocrats are more fashion conscious than the average bear its how they discern each other I grew up with them we have a code certain things you just know and drop in conversation and of course certain things you never admit you know and never utter. i have never had the patience for that shit and took take joy in fucking with their little codes.

    collen ryan Reply:

    It more like many are behaving appropriately in their moral system and that is being mistaken for adhering to another system that’s been cleverly overlaid.But thats simplistic because we have a twin aristocracy in america where by we have half the new aristocracy arising from the proles and half arising from older aristocrat parents. The wasps are raised to be gracious no treat everyone with respect to be humble about their aristocracy to never complain or compete and dozens of other little rules that are mistaken for compliance but have an entirely different meaning to the old aristocrats, and of course this has all been breaking down along with their fortunes all they have left is their stable IQs and some connections that allow them entre.
    the nouve aristocracy are strivers they work hard to escape and keep their wits about them since they are smart they pick up on both the old school rules and the jew enforced rules, some marry one way some the other which usually determines their internals and why mischlings might as well be full jews.youre not going to be undetected while involved with a jew so if you convert your children will never know anything but the jeitgiest

    collen ryan Reply:

    wut i bin sayin bro cog aint all dat. Thing that gets me is granma is just being a granma she doesnt really care about anything but did you like the food. Even really smart scientist say are also only interested if you liked their theorem. But these really smart cathedrales who make their life of this shit wtf are they thinking if not some evil shit.

    far as wrecking nrx only if it serves a purpose if i cant convince you that democracy is not the biggest problem Ill never convince them. I gave up on jim cause of that chomo shit, i mean Im all about re subjugating women but please dont tell me you cant rape an eight year old cuz shes already a slut that wants it. Take that afghani shit and leave please. yeah i suppose im inconsistent right is that a moral. I dont think so o think its one of those higher level contracts i make to survive and reproduce. pimping my eight year old daughters not in my interest living in a nation where if im not around thats likely to happen not in my interest thats some R selection shit nigger morality. me Im a white man Im going to invest in my kids and get a higher return not eat the seed corn like a fucking nigger. i guess jims having the same problem i have with describing how reactionary patriarchy differs from nigger patriarchy and like these nrx idiots always do just decided fuck it broad strokes sell blogs. But thats cause these faggots liveon line and are larping if they were serious they would say JIM wtf no ones going for that least of all the most productive white men who have families. But its edgy so his little cauldron of basement dwellers like it. I better calm down or i will go wreck some nrx shit. just wish they’d get serious.

    do you know much about BTC in a way its been a big influence around land and moldburg its what I thibnk has driven their idea that capital is revolutionary. But its not we are now a decade into where they laid that shit on us and what is going on with all those capitalist innovations they thought pointed to the distributed exit in place meme? exactly what i said would happen ten years ago the deep state will always own leading tech,because it comes out of their fucking darpa labs and ivy league universities and jew owned venture capitalist and because if all else fails they can just punch you in the face and take it. NSA records the block chain every fucking bit of it and they know who did everyfucking thing ever done on the chain because thats what the block chain is a fucking public ledger of everything that ever happens.the fucking NSA probably wrote the code of BTC think about it it money that rats out everything you do with it what more could a deep state ask of money. all the social networks land and yarvin thought would set us free LMAOROTFCRYING what are they now they are cathedral 2007 to an order of magnitude.In fact the only good thing that happened since moldberg left blow hard and went pro has come about because the Helots and vaisyas voted in trump. We can negg that or trump or dalits and vaisayas all we want but its the single most significant event in decades and it was prole and democratic so much for moldburg.

    As for capitalism let alone the jewish variety which is what they really mean. God love the power of choice but capitalists are not who you want guarding your civilization. Wag you think compared to Curtis Yarvin Im like a nigger brain, Ok i get that I am at least smart enough to see how smart he is and I dont think Im that smart.

    ON THE OTHER HAND you have to be a fucking moron in the age of Pornhub, Liar loan mortgage meltdowns,12 trillion in printing and another 10 trillion in negative bonds worth of QE in the US alone, causing a quadrillion dollars in CDOs,enough prescription heroin to addict a tenth of the nation, Capitals idea that a free labor market means they get a $12 an hour employee and the rest of support his twenty relatives to the tune of 30k each in social services, and we don’t like it he will take the R and D tech we paid for to a factory in china and keep all the profits. But Yarvin the genius thinks we should entrust these guys with our future? You really got to wonder if hes definitely that smart and definitely is saying this then what is he really up to.

    Because if you’re only half as conspiratorial as his ideas assume is the world and a quarter as conspiratorial as we now know the deep state actually is its not far fetched to think a far thinking jew just might anticipate the reaction to their shit and want to get ahead of it with a synthetic reaction he can control. Now ive never been big on conspiracy theories but the past decades been an eye opener and at this point nothing would really surprise me.I do know this im not bowing down to any jew trillionaire tech lord. And while it pains me after adhering to decades of brutal capitalism of the let them eat cake school of thought I no longer trust capitalism in fact i am actually embarrassed that I thought so little about what its actually like and too much about how it wasnt socialism. It needs to be controlled yes controlling capital has been the exact problem socialists have been made fools over but this is a completely different type of control and if we are honest we have always controlled it to some extents precisely because we learned early on what happens when you dont.

    China seriously china is a basket case but they all want to brag about this communist state controlled economy thats a house of cards that builds entire cities of empty building and cant produce a ball point pen yet. its entire business model is built on the cathedral duplicity and incompetence, they cant develop their own tech and even when we allow them to steal it they can teven reproduce it properly, they have no where to sell their garbage but to us which is an unsustainable insane model where we become unemployed and cant by their inferior products.looming for them besides their debt bomb that will make the mortgage crisis seem like your credit card debt is the fact that they have a couple billion people living like niggers with no health insurance retirement plans nothing and they are not going to put up with it forever, additionally their edge is that these lack of fringe benefits and third world wages makes for cheap manufacturing, but robots are cheaper and guess who cant make robot stupid fucking chinks america does the R and D and germany builds them japan copies them and uses them eventually all this blows up in china’s face meanwhile its picking a fight with the nation whose military is bigger than the rsest of the world combined Ok maybe we are picking the fight but china is drinking the china kool aid and is taking the bait. china is nothing an NRX should be bragging about they are a shit people with a small IQ edge that cant seem to use it for anything but obeying orders and cheating and copying.

    so whats the big NRX idea again its nothing but the HBD stuff. Yeah sure because of the jew yes the fucking jews orchestrated the entire leftist demotism it doesnt start with cromwell or jefferson it starts with marx and moves his operatives that the 1800s jews brought over for backup and who the high class jews backed the commie jews every play. they financed them ran cover in their presses for them used their influence with wasps to move them into the power positions of this nation were they instituted nigger rights bitch rights faggot rights welfare rights the myth of the evil white redneck and the immivasion and eventually the kill the white man which they can know shout in congress and in out universities and from the media with impunity. It matters little that the average white fell for this I didn’t grandma may be too busy and too polite to look to closely but i have and others have and moldburgs a fucking liar it isnt fucking protestants who i have no fucking love for it was jews the wasps were just pussy faggots that didnt fight what else is new. Its not democracy its that jews brought ringers into democracy. Not a fucking word about the jew problem in the entire moldburg blog except how he would love to back revolution but in his infinite jew wisdom he really needs to caution the dumb goys not to try it because resistance is futile on his honor and a jew would lie to a goy would he. lets take our heads out of the nrx ass for a second and look around with beginner’s mind before moldburg pozzd us would we really have though yeah the wasps are the real problem these jews are all upstanding capitalist conservatives its these liberal wasps that are all about demotism and equality wasps are not snobs theyre equalist commies and the jews ….. yeah right. i dont want to make this all about jews its not its way more complex mainly because they have been insidiously pozzing us for 150 years so its complex to unwind how all these games have taken on lives of their own.But dont tell me the wsps did this and the problem is they gave white guys the vote.I may be stupid Im not that stupid. but smart people are that stupid this shit is aimed directly at the vanity of smart guys and they sucked it right up and thats too bad because we need those guys.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    @rhome

    Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

    “We are all stupid. Stupidity is the condition for learning. One must be stupid to learn/ Communism does not aspire to eliminate stupidity, but stupidity is eliminated in aspiring toward communism.”

    It sounds like you assert intellectual capacity can be expanded through education particularly education in communism. I cant believe you mean that. Im going to guess we are talking about two levels of stupidity. I am referring to the useless mouths a level of intelligence tha can no longer support the current rate of minimum living standard and is therefore a ward. And you are referring to those intelligent enough to at least break even if they could be educated into signing a social contract you deem as someone even more intelligent to be in their interest. If thats so then we agree as i have been also championing the average and willing to cut loose the useless. But thats not like any communism i have heard of. granted I have never deigned to read marx, i have heard what he actually says is not quite as comminist as is alleged, that hes a pretty good realist about capitalism, and so i have a vague idea how you mean marx is an accelerationist. But nowhere near enough information to say anything except what about this other marx who is about redistributing to the useless, while we can all on a personal level understand the sympathetic impulse as a philosophy we must understand that it will nly lead to more useless and eventually the piper will have to be paid?

    “Isn’t it a curious fact, Mike, that the Bolsheviks, in a short period of time, ”

    I would be inclined to give credit for that to what limited extent its true to starting from the medieval feudal period. We all understand how systems expand so much faster in early stages be it a penny stock or an economy. I think in addition since for historical reasons was doing this much later than the rest of europe it had the same advantage of say the telephone systems in nations that just skipped wired telephony. And lets be honest there was a lot of capitalist help be given to russia as well a a lot of socialists in capitalist nations helping as well both financially and cognitively. Ford for instance transferred entire industries to russia. we incredibly gave them things like the ball bearing technology required for ICBMs through four wars with them or their proxies we continued to supply them industrially, one day we may hope to find out what that was about. But just unlocking the human capital bound in semi serfdom was bound to be explosive there as it was in the rest of europe earlier.

    “Land is saying, is that the progressives are saying “We’ve accelerated enough, time for communism.” well no doubt whites think they can afford this shit the innumeracy is staggering.And while Im all for critiquing capitalism but from the right I dont delude myself we can escape it, just needn’t subjugate ourselves to it, certainly not without fighting to a point of understanding where we are heading.

    But Rhome none of this seems to answer the questions unless i take your answers to mean you’re not really a communist you’re a capital accelerationist and like land not concerned with the plight of the useless.
    And that you don’t really have any answer why elites are leftists that we haven’t heard. But Rhome sure average elites might be sincere christians, communists, sentimental, uninformed innumerates, or status or respectability signalling.But even though these are elites these are the run of the mill elites, elites that we would expect to uphold the current orthodoxy.What of those that hand down the orthodoxy, the elites who have dedicated themselves to planning the future and orchestrating it. They do not seem to be orchestrating anything other than racial redistributionist marxism, they seem hell bent on destroying the west and white people as a result. The only motive I can find is wealth and power, yet its a very short sighted and short lived wealth and power they are squandering 2000 years worth of work on. Of course wealth and power are enticing but surely people as capable as this with already so much wealth and power could come up with an alternative to global cathedralist suicide?

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    re “fairism” certainly my monkey brain has a fairism button and so in honesty i have to count myself in this camp to the extent its not overpowered by other monkey brain buttons like lying and cheating and trading and me ism.
    which is why my human brain says the genius in wags comment is the word Fair. It implies there’s an objective value to this work. and while monkey business aside im agnostic on the morality, practically speaking i know there is a value that’s objectively fair and the monkey and the other monkey know it approximately, and they are also as monkeys will calculating the cost benefit of enforcing the value, the capitalist has always had the upper hand in this transaction and so both know in their cost benefit that as well but tech is changing that edge of employers which has a lot to do with already being an organized entity with better information. But we can’t forget their other monkeys watching this. and like it or not theirs a monkey state that has set itself up as the arbiter of all monkey business. The power behind this state is the aggregate monkey power. The interest of the aggregate monkey powers is economy and efficiency. cheating and fighting about cheating is a drain on aggregate monkey power, it’s in the interest of the monkey nation state to reduce inefficiency above the cost of reducing inefficiency as that cost reduces inefficiencies are eliminated and cheating profits accrue to the nations owners. so its not moral its good business. when high teams with low instead of middle its a stupid game. pay the yeomen their salt and kick the useless to the curb.its the most profitable and sustainable model.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Do you really think like that? It must be a sad way to live, because when you live like that you expect others to think of you the same way- as a means to an end. I used to think that way during my Rand phase; it’s far from easy explaining how she’s wrong about rational egoism, Idk if I feel like taking a stab tonight. I’ll just say that you must have to go through some extreme rationalization to say that fairness isn’t part of morality. Think really concretely what it’s like to be in eye contact and conversation with another person. Do you really think calculatively about them completely, you don’t see them as a person like you who cares about things, even loves some things, and is going to die some day? I see why you’re hesitant though–embracing morality is a slippery slope, you’ll tumble down the hill to leftism; I’m still not sure how I square all this myself. In an ideal world I think some charity is good, we just obviously have an over-charity problem in the West today.

    On the topic of capitalism, when I said “many” capitalists are mosquitoes of men, I almost said “most”, and I almost even said “all” – what is it like in your experience as a business owner? Is screwing people over *intrinsic* to the job of being the boss? I’m not cut out for that profession personally, I’d probably end up giving my employees hardly less than I make. If you organize the whole show you *deserve* more, it’s fair to receive more, but in my experience at shit jobs it’s seemed like the owners get way more than they deserve… but maybe I’m just biased/ressentimental.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Two unrelated things:

    1. Even if Rohme thinks certain things or agrees with us about certain things he can’t say them because his meatspace name is on here. He didn’t know what he was getting himself into. Come here, show these dumb rednecks how stupid they are and walk out, lawlawlawl. I don’t trust anyone online who’s speaking through their own name and face. Weev is the only exception I can think of, but last I checked he’s banned from countries in Europe and in hiding. Doxees tell yourselves what you want, if your name and face are attached to your beliefs on here you are not your own property, you belong to THEM. Best to make an alt account tbh, instead of continuing in the delusion that you can actually state the truth, because you can’t.

    2. “Crowley notes that the only power that may overcome Choronzon is Silence.” – Kenneth Grant, Outer Gateways

    COLLEN RYAN = 209 = CHORONZON = ADOLF HITLER

    collen ryan Reply:

    Do I really think like that?

    re “fairism” certainly my monkey brain has a fairism button and so in honesty i have to count myself in this camp to the extent its not overpowered by other monkey brain buttons like lying and cheating and trading and me ism.

    I’m a monkey/man so i think dually. You have heard me said i founded a couple non profits, so yeah i tend to turn tortoises right side up if Im not too busy, i empathize and sympathize, I don’t hate non whites in fact i find other cultures even primitive one fascinating, not only for their peculiarity for for holding up a mirror to me.I joke that Im a path I guess you kids joke you’re autists. Im neither really just obsessively logical. You want me to die for a philosopher well before I can do that I have to check his logic.Because Im an ape i tend to get passionate about my philosophy du jour but i try to keep trying to tear it down and keep an open mind.Thus nrx made me a racist sexist, it take much to systematize what Id already noticed but like granny I was raised to be social and polite and generous and like most whites i had no idea just how many niggers had been let in until it was too late. Im not lying when I say i have many non white and jewish friends most of my crew is non white the past decade, they are exasperating, they are really nothing like me in many ways, but in some ways they are, being a drug addict drunk till 29 I lived some insane street life i know their world, of course they don’t have drugs and alcohol as an excuse theirs in a different genetic disorder well disorder from my perspective, who knows maybe being an insane drunk was a advantage in my ancient celto nordic environments.

    But we are not here to be sentimental, we do have to recognize our sentimentality because its part of HBD, I have repeatedly pointed out we have a low tolerance for human suffering, so can not pretend as land seems to that sperg overlords will simply be able to ignore most of the worlds population being converted into calcutta beggars. And here you are one of the most extreme realists in the dark enlightenment proving I am correct.But even our monkey side has trait tensions and its possible I suppose to get the murderous monkey trait to temporarily occlude the socialist monkey trait, That something to design into your culture. But here we are discussing this duality generally.

    I railed against subjectivism and deconstruction as a cuckservative or paleoconservative a post Randian whatever you want to call it. i mindlessly defended capitalism, and enlightenment pre roosevelt’s eventually pre lincoln. But i was lying to myself and somewhere i knew it. I knew for instance that blacks might revert to their 1910 civility but no farther and how would we today handle looking at jim crow, I knew capitalists left to their own devices will do all sorts of anti social things, I knew that while i was supporting religion as a civilizing influence it was really nonsense and the nonsense had measurable downsides.and a thousand other things i knew i defended were really only just less bad than leftism. I even knew that a lot of the original points that a leftist branch began from were essentially correct, slavery. I mean moldburgs correct in a sense slavery is just sometimes the fair wage or even a charitable wage, its certainly no white peculiarity, and we were ina legal bind regarding property right if we unwound it, and they were not fit for co habitation and the north were the aggressors. but it was a bad idea bringing them over.

    But we have put all that aside and called ourselves the dark enlightenment and bolster our courage with references to the horror the cold the outside and larping nazism etc. so we have commited to ignore our monkey brains except to admit they are part of the HBD equation and must be applied to ourselves as well as other races.
    As I have said i don’t really see much value to Moldburg besides HBD. the rest is sci fi and D and D paens directed at his gen x sperg audience. what is essential is HBD matters when designing a civilization or altering for current technology. And we are examining that with HBD brains so we need to be cautious whether our monkey brains or man brains are talking.

    No Wag I don’t really see how morality is anything but an inbred contract between two or more organisms to support each others survival. Its an instinct that we anthropomorphism and dress up in philosophy to appease our man brain. That doesn’t mean they are bad bargains to make, and as I have said part of the equation should probably making the monkey side content.Even the spergyest of us live a lot of the time on the monkey side, a system that makes us unhappy apes will not sustain. But what NRX is supposed to be trying to solve is why is civilization failing and the answer is its HBD causing failures. Wag the ‘system” now is a mish mash of millions of years of instinct selection over patched and repurposed and several thousand years of man beginning to understand how to trigger those random instinct mutations to advantage, oh hell even monkeys learned to lie and fake for sympathy.We are determined to sort this rationally. We probably will have to design a system that still seems irrational in as much as its still triggering random monkey nonsense instincts, but we have sorted through all the possible ways to do this with the least harm, making our choice logical if not our practice logical.

    No Wag i don’t see this self evident morality i see monkeys all the way down.

    Employers.

    My businesses have been pretty small, I would say business owners are as varied as people, Some actually go into business it seems to be social others are spergy and trying to build something and get to a point they need some help, most are just trying to feed their families. It become really difficult and complex to stay legal, the govt basically requires you give them and conform to their rules to a cost that double or triple or even much more than the going price so the first hurdle is if the going rate is 15 hr how do i make this work when the govt wants another 15 in taxes and another 15 in regulations.This is a slippery slope.Your guys just want the 15 but what if they get hurt or something. You say well maybe i risk it until Im big enough i can work it in. i once had a contracting business that i started accidentally in a rich suburb i built a house for someone and soon more people wanted me to work, i hired illegals because it was expedient they stood in front of my truck as i left home depot and begged. I gave them I think 12 which was more than the 8-10 they asked after a day they wanted more, i realized they really wanted easy kitchen work an were not cut out for this, they literally couldn’t even dig or paint properly had no tools not a word of english needed to be picked up dropped off and fed both breakfast and lunch. eventually i did the math and realized i could actually pay a skilled white man 25.-30. I guess im saying most businesses are really struggling just to stay open. my non profits were much bigger. from them I learned when you build something pretty big you sacrifice many years of your life and dont want to see it squandered but employees dont give a shit about someone else’s thing. You have to find non confrontational ways to pass on the hard lessons you have learned you need to build a culture and a written code thats precise about responsibility, but the other side of the equation is you need to find ways to let them also make it thier own so they will have pride of ownership. I guess Im not answering your questions about how the money is divided among the owner and the workers.

    ” If you organize the whole show you *deserve* more, it’s fair to receive more, but in my experience at shit jobs it’s seemed like the owners get way more than they deserve… but maybe I’m just biased/ressentimental.”

    Well despite my right critique im still a capitalist. So I would say your probably approaching this wrong. An employer doesn’t think of the workers as junior partners that he has to figure out their share. he sees them rightly as they see themselves as contractors who get paid a set amount despite what the business makes it may make nothing for the boss after the wages are paid.many small businesses don’t so they hire themselves and their family. I think most times a guy feels hes not being paid enough the truth is hes taken a job beneath his capability, the boss may benefit from this market information but while you may be the best barista he has ever had the truth is he doesn’t need a 140 IQ barista and would if he had the opportunity to hire one for more money choose to. I negotiate a small premium above union scale as a foreman its really only about 5% of our total package it sems a bit more because so much goes to taxes and fringe benefits. its afucking insult i thinkj andi sometimes quit over fractions of a percent. but the reality is while I know i add so much more value than what Im compensated for bosses rarely see it, they know every guy on my crew would do my job for free just to not have “to work” lol i work three times as hard as them just not physically and i got to where i am by being the best physical worker. I can demonstrate by opening my own shop if i wanted to gamble a couple million on my theory. My bosses maybe privately agree theyre never going to let on and they also know a lot of their workers are worth far less but the contract they have with the union only allows them to pay more not less, they can lay you off though so job security becomes a form of wage and i have seen bosses lose money during bad times keeping steady eddies working so they dont lose them to another shop. A boss does own the profit and the loss it is he alone who has risked a lot to get it. when I say fair wage what i mean is what if everyone knew all the information, what if a boss could know your IQ say and people had documented the added value per IQ point, what if you could know every other job out their that you might have instead, and just how badly each employer needed you. I think the employment market and political market tend to favor bosses and elites with better information and better organization. and so while strictly speaking with current tech we have to settle for the’well you took the job at the wage offered” benchmark i think our hind brains often know but cant prove we may be worth more even to that same employer. Ironically all the time i have been a far right any randian paleocon i have also been a union steamfitter. Im not a very good union guy i have as many critiques of them as the other side but at the end of the day i have always rejected the idea that unions perse are somehow anti capitalist. Im not saying they work as well as they could or should but.i see no reason men can not bargain collectively,This imbalance of information i speak of is often the only thing a employee knows at an interview is that he really needs a job.a union gives him an opportunity to find out how bad an employer really needs a skilled mechanic.because the employer has to negotiate a contract and cant play one desperate employee off against another, you can claim thats a good way to determine price, but you would be pretty green and naive bosses do in fact game that system all they have to do is suffer a few extra incompetents willing to work cheap and pretend to be fully staffed but willing to hire one more at this low price.also like the patchwork there’s a cost to moving that’s often simply too high to exercise the theoretical option.info tech may actually change these things in employees favor.Wag your generation has been massively cheated by immigration real wages are at 1970s levels while costs have skyrocket and these niggers are not actually doing what you could cheaper we have just lowered our standards and don’t see the shit work performed and outsource to china as well, there’s a reason we have stopped being world leaders innovation we have a low iq nigger workforce.

    rohme Reply:

    “the only power that may overcome Choronzon is Silence.”

    I want silence.

    collen ryan Reply:

    I shouldn’t tell you this because i dont want you to waste your youth. So Ill just first say i have heard the stories of medieval monks praying so hard they floated was never true just something the older monks told the acolytes in hopes they would apply themselves. I think this might be true apprenticing to a medieval craft guild myself i can attest they do stuff like that. But I refused to believe monks cant sometimes float even if they never have they might possibly right. so i remembered a couple other things unexplainable that happened to me.I told you researching about some of the things like OOBE and lucid dreams i found a lot of what i considered fraud but some themes recurred that i dont know sounded a bit more well historically consistent. chakras was one. not only because they were old in eastern traditions but because they seemed to have relatives in other old traditions. I was never very good at meditating on nothingness so the fom of single point meditation seemed the way to go for me and when i decided charas were interesting i began to meditate by visualizing energy flowing in a loop through my chakras kind had to finish closing the loop in various ways usually having it spllit above my head and go back into my feet.I also coupled this with breath producing the energy, i tried to sort of light up each chakra then go on to the next, sometimes try to give them the colors the indians claimed they had in a book i read. I totally made the procedure up.anyway i got into the habit of coming home from work showering up and doing this lying down. sometimes i fell asleep or it got me aroused dont know why but the monks aleways claimed the devil was tormenting them so thats a possibility., but i tried to be disciplined and do this well. as i said i not great at meditating to much internal dialogue.(castaneda claims internal dialogue is the glue that holds reality together.) so one day after maybe six months im doing this im not deep into meditative state really but i have gotten much better at staying in the process so i guess a bit but i certainly was not sleeping or in some other consciousness i would have heard a pin drop it was just i had gotten good enough i could concentrate on this like you would something you were reading but not for a long periods as you can reading. all of a sudden what i can only describe as a geyser of the whitest light that seemed energetic and filamented burst out of my abdomen. i mean like a fucking volcana no more like i said a geyser but the velocity seemed enormous it seemed like i saw this through my eyelids was so shocked i opened my eyes to see wtf and saw exactly the same thing it lasted long enough to note that i was definitely wide awake in “normal” feeling consciousness” not lucid dreaming or OOB awake and eyes open and yup im actually seeing this, then it was gone. i didn’t feel too different not even particularly emotional, just sort of wow that was awesome wtf was it.I decided that was my Will.never happened again. I guess i have to admit to some extent this stuff scared me a bit, residual catholicism i was raised on latin masses and the exorcist so its kind of hard for me to not be irrationally superstitious. Hmm i forgot there were a couple other incidents i remembered but cant remember now.Oh theres the story of how i decided to move to idaho. its not really sure a experience could easilly be a coincidence maybe not even a big one but it was what motivated me. So id read castenada in the early 70s and thought them boring and dumb, because of the past few years instances i decided to read them again maybe i found a copy and i got hooked.I liked them but was not really convinced but intriqued if maybe he were telling te truth nah. anyway that was in my head by then and i was a couple years sober and renovating my dads house and i went out to the store in the lower east side and as i was crossing the avenue i looked up in the sky on a clear blue nyc fall afternoon and saw three enormous eagles flying in a sort of formation over head pretty low just high enough to miss 5 story tenements.well I’d never seen that before in nyc maybe a redtail in central park but never three golden eagles never even one eagle. I ran into one of the hells angels I knew and i asked him are you guys like keeping eagles and shit, he thought i was kidding and i explained and he said no.The next day I am awing up the stringers for a staircase with my dads back door open, his house backed onto the old church where he was married and i wa baptised it had been old and stone and got condemned and a cinder block abomination church built in its place and all the parishioners replaced with puerto ricans but the old stone back wall of the church was there still because it divided the church from a cemetary on the next block. yeah we used to climb it as kids.anyway im sawing and i here caw caw caw and i go out and see three ravens on the wall they caw caw caw twice more while i watch them and then fly off, never saw ravens in the city before but their were crows back in the cemetery these were ravens though. I think thats odd and remember yesterdays odd eagles and then note the three theme and think it still odder.so that night I go out for coffe after an AA meeting with a bunch of people to thsi old cafe in the village AA in NYC is a bit of a pickup scene so there a few girls im liking. anyway I tell my little story about the eagles then the crows and isnt it strange. as we leave im in the rear and glance back to see if ive left anything behind i havnt but im far enough out that theres another group of tables now also behind me and i see something like a piece of paper the size of a playing card and for no particular reason i pick it up to see what it is. Its gotten the number three written large on it and I smile at the coincidence again and set it down inadvertently turning it over in the process and see there’s a drawing of an airplane on the other side. call me crazy but that third coincidence got me attention and i just decided it wasn’t coincidence. but i couldn’t decipher it.a few days later i remembered in one of the early castaneda books don juan tells castaneda that if power chooses you it will knock three times then move on and you will follow and change your direction or will stay on your old destiny path. again call me crazy but i decided that was what had happened but i still had no idea what i was supposed to do, but i started thinking then if this were termed in the castenda methodology and eagles and crows certainly fit into that yaqui indian type of thing then what would don juan ask me if i asked him what the fuck was meant, and i said he would definitely ask me what direction were the eagles flying what directions were the crows facing and which way did they fly. yeah i know how this sounds but well i have no excuse. I though and realized the birds all were flying and facing northwest. and withing a week had decided i was going to move to alaska in the spring.

    as i got to the border where you leave montana to cross british columbia into alaska i found myself swayed to look around at least and the first piece of ground that seemed worth looking at was over the border in north idaho, to this day i thinks its the best piece of ground i have seen up there which is the most beautiful land i have ever seen.nothing seemed to go right for the next dozen years except an accidental pregnancy which i was not thinking would be in my interest.In fact neither of us were really confident it was a great idea and kept saying for months what are we going to do, frankly while thirty something we never met anyone in new york our age with kids and we were pretty unhappy and had already decided to split up when the summer was over our third in idaho.

    this is the third weird thing i remembered. I was working on the log cabin i had been building it was almost finished, my Gf later to be my XW was elsewhere we avoided each other because we were avoiding deciding about an abortion which i dont think we were comfortable with either. this doesn’t really make logical sense but its what happened. my internal dialogue for a couple months had been going something like” why dont you just tell her to do it, you know how this will end for you , no matter what she say now, she will leave you and sure you for 25 years of child support, she will listen to you now just twll her why don’t you do what you know is the only self preservation choice you can make what is wrong with you that you dither and wait., and what the fuck did you think would happen if you went into the woods with a 30 something woman whos never had a child”

    we had also confided in a few idaho friends and they all immediately assumed we were going to have a child and congratulated us., which was morbidly funny because every single new york friend we told all immediately assumed we were having an abortion and tried to console us.meanwhile the child was quickening and Im in the cabin running the tape in my head and Joni mitchell the circle game is playing and i am wondering what the fuck the ravens are on about and begin to realise they have been getting steadily more insane for a couple weeks now and i haven’t really been paying attention ravens being pretty common in north idaho.But i realise this is a whole other level ive been ignoring and go investigate again because i realise they have been gathering in greater and greater numbers in this little patch of woods that my cabin road goes around, and i figure there’s got to be some carrion, but there’s not its not that big an area but a few days earlier i had already checked once, now they got even more insane and i realise there’s close to 150 ravens or maybe 200 maybe more but there’s no carrion they just screech caw at me at me like they’re trying to tell me something. and i realise what it is and decide i wont try tell my GF to get rid of my child. and yeah she left me a few years later and did the usual but i have never regretted it in fact i came to see youre not really a full human till you have completed the circle.

    so much for my ruthless rationality cred huh

    Wagner Reply:

    I had a couple abortions with a Korean girl, I wouldn’t have been able to say the truth if I’d been a dad

    collen ryan Reply:

    I had a couple abortions with a Korean girl, I wouldn’t have been able to say the truth if I’d been a dad

    which truth?

    I think your generation is the first to have to confront that the odds were pretty good you might have been flushed. I was party to two abortions i didnt push for them just did what i thought the women wanted, ones a semi famous yale feminist that i think wanted me to ask her to marry me i would have if i had know but she was always saying what a feminist she was so i didnt ask for more she was a good girl but also a jew what can i say they like my bad goy shtick. the other was a real nut case from london. who knows I think i coul count on two fingers how many times i wore a rubber just wasnt a cultural thing until aids i may have all sorts of kids i dont know about. wish women were better id like more now im getting ready to retire and can be relaxed about life

    Wagner Reply:

    “which truth?”

    Basically anything you can think of that would get you fired/tarred and feathered. You’re different but you’re strange, an exception; the rule is if you have kids it seems you’re too worried about their welfare to take risks you otherwise would. Do you think we’ve screwed ourselves posting here or am I just a paranoiac? I just imagine myself in twenty years after having settled down living a normie life and all this shit I wrote as a reckless dumbass floats back up and ruins my family’s life LOL

    Wagner Reply:

    “the rabble”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdpKEs_dMHc

    collen ryan Reply:

    Maybe we are risking our lives and sacred honor speaking truth, But the day i have to worry about what i say is the day i learn to blow things up. I am astounded that europeans allow that sort of oppression.
    obviously youre going to live longer. My guess is we at least revert to leftism light ,since this simply cant go on without war and i think the left knows they lose if its war. I actually hope they dont get that they lose with war and continue because i really want satisfaction and a final resolution not more leftist waves. so Im not worried. if im wrong and it continues and no war or lose war i think the left will have a lot more important reactionaries than you wag. I have always maintained alternative identities which i recommend establishing and keeping alive.But hiding in plain sight is usually the best option. you have only bandied about esoteric affinities for the alt right in your youth i wouldn’t worry just be more careful with your co9mputer. Its going to be interesting to see what happens with these missing fbi texts they laughingly claim they lost due to technical difficulties. the NSA ought to have copies right, so maybe they are not yet quite so opticon as we fear, but even so its too much info to do anything with.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Call me an american but im still sympathetic to the revolutionaries.sure they were rebels why pay taxes to some guy that cant back his shit up and isnt doing anything you need done.

    rohme Reply:

    “It sounds like you assert intellectual capacity can be expanded through education particularly education in communism.”

    Mike, I’m not talking about learning in any ideological direction, I’m talking about a general correspondence that is between errors and their remediations. I didn’t use the words intellectual capacity, I used the word learning which has another form of appearance in the other as teaching. Learning is being taught and teaching is having learn.

    “and you are referring to those intelligent enough to at least break even if they could be educated into signing a social contract you deem as someone even more intelligent to be in their interest.”

    No, I’m not referring to ‘those intelligent enough to at least break even’. And the social contract is Christian, not monkey calculus.

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would show to Christ.

    Masters, supply your slaves with what is right and fair, since you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

    Why should it be different?

    It should be different if slaves do not obey their masters with fear and sincerity of heart and masters do not supply their slaves with what is right and fair. An entire constellation hinges on this. Since it is missing, Judgement must come down.

    Do we not have such a situation where slave does not obey master and master does not supply slave? Do we not have a situation where that which should be taught is not and that which should be learnt is not?

    YOU TREAT PEOPLE LIKE COGS, YOU GET COGS.

    “And lets be honest there was a lot of capitalist help be given to russia as well a a lot of socialists in capitalist”

    Yes, that is right and I am a fan of Anthony Sutton’s work. I was especially moved by his description of ‘Bonesmen’ as individuals ‘motivated to move history by use of the Hegelian dialectic’. Being reminded of this makes me want to revise my response to your question “any thoughts on the various theories of why elites adopt leftism?” since you were completely right to say I “don’t really have any answer why elites are leftists that we haven’t heard”. So maybe here’s one you haven’t heard unless you’re familiar with Sutton. Controlled opposition. Think. It’s actually the best reason one could induce. Why focus single-mindedly on your own affairs, when you can also control the opposition to it? The trap laid out is in believing those invested with power have any ideological orientation at all. I imagine you’ve heard stories of the elite whose hobbies include pedophilia or hematophagy or human sacrifice. Instead of attributing any veracity to those claims, let us simply ask this: why wouldn’t they?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    wow so you’re a serious catholic? like knights of malta opus dei? well like wag i dont know what to say other than please trace back your morals genealogy, i know hes going to say funny you should use that phrase, and I guess you will tell me about Anselm. But while im pretty close to atheist I see a world that if created its creator is the author of evolution and evolution is not charitable in fact evolution punishes charity. It doesn’t punish socialist monkey trades and one can argue where to draw the line even the useless get lucky so if you got some resources that rot anyway might be worth taking a flyer on some useless mouth. You might be so rich in resources and poor in friends and relatives that helping a lot of useless mouths just pleases you and seems to cost nothing.I only argue enough of that over long enough time and it might cost more than you realize including useless suffering.well youre certainly right we have some mighty ungrateful slaves as to whether we are giving them what they need, well i hope you mean we have spared the rod and shouldn’t have, because 30k a year in social services for wretches that are literally worthless is well 30 k more than we owed them. As far left as I would go with you is we should never have disturbed them in their mud huts. but its kind of hard to judge elizabethan and Izabellian conquistadors by current year standards.

    Yes sutton was where i first learned of what seemed impossible.Not sure any theory of how that impossible came to be is provable. My guess is mcCarthy was right commies under every bed. could be treacherous capitalists were making deals with commies longer than we thought, certainly they are in bed with each other today.and part of that is when the twp poles are really one pole you have the controlled opposition by default. But maybe it was more mundane and they just wanted to take out some fellow elites and were not too far thinking.

    Im not for cogs and im not for paying the useless to outbreed us.Im for making the elites act like patricians not hyenas.the other races are simply nor our concern its sad and all but we have the jews and the chinese to worry about. as you said we have not accelerated enough to sit back and be commies, in fact the past 100 years of being commies has more than squandered every thing we made doubled and saddled us with a lot of expectant resentful mouths.This to me is the great mystery of why if some elites are really serious marxists or catholics or just really emotional can they not see this is only creating more human suffering in the long run.WTF is bill gates this bright guy thinking is going to happen to the billion 60 IQ niggers hes brought into the world? does he think there’s a queue of trillion airs behind him who will also devote their fortune to nigger farming? I mean the guys good at maths right cant he understand even his 80 billion would support a billion africans for very long.They’re gonna die horribly, I mean i can get all rhetorical and say they might kill us but we all know thats not going to happen whites haven’t actually lost the will to live they just temporarily forgot how to balance their checkbooks like Gates. And when they realize they have been on a profligate SJW binge and are bankrupt and the jew SOROS is no longer their friend and the bond vigilantes come for the pound of flesh, theyre gonna let the niggers starve all 80 million of them when maybe the original 250 k could have survived on cow dung and bat meat.
    Im all for giving the yeomen his salt ration Im all for better price discovery on that yeomans wage which I suspect is too low. Im not in favor of saddling him with the nigger farming hobbies of the idle rich. In real life Im always helping individual niggers, i probably shouldnt but as wag asked when i look the little chimps in the eye I see myself and i give them a banana chimps should not have to have to look for bananas in western cities they dont grow here. But advocating policies to pay pavement apes to breed is stark raving insanity.

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  • Wagner Says:

    GO FUCK YOURSELF LAND

    That’s what we mean here on this “Open Secret” thread, it means,

    GO FUCK YOURSELF LAND

    You worthless liar, who might as well die. That is what we mean.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    do you think he reads anything here anymore? he seems pretty woke on twitter, he may just be spergy about arcana. Rhome seemed to be saying Land is a crypto commie because thats what accelerationism is I have heard that before kinda, i dont bother reading shit i think is going to turn out to be bullshit i find eventually that’ll be confirmed without the bother of doing it myself. is accelerationism comism?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5385422/brit-teen-hacker-kane-gamble-cia-boss-secret-military-files-rape-threats/

    so how does an autist give a shit about niggers i thought autists thing was not giving a shit? its prety funny these kids can fuck with the deep state but theyre too young and dumb to not get caught its disturbing a prole white in a council house is a SJW but on the other hand what will they be capable of when its their own lives they are defending and someone i s showing them how not to get caught.

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    Wagner Reply:

    https://imgur.com/a/RCNuR

    It’s good knowin we’re the evilest guys in town huh

    Too hot to touch, ouch!

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    collen ryan Reply:

    One of my first criticisms was there just isn’t any exit anymore, exit was fine when the world was undiscovered and sparsely inhabited by hottentots. and even then the puritans did not join the iroquois they exited them as well by war, they did not exit they simply chose to fight a weaker enemy holding a less valuable piece of ground.until someone actually creates a nation off planet or in antarctica they haven’t exited they have just fought a weaker war. How did that puritain vision work out, not o good for within a generation they were a laughing stock, oh no wait before they even landed they were a laughing stock because half of the mayflower were prole non puritain craftsmen and thugs the backers replaced puritans with and a good thing because it turned out puritans sucked at just about everything but bible reading. They were almost all dead a couple years later when their backers sent in a whole boatload of i think kit was polish and portuguese craftsmen and soldiers. down south the celtic clans in VA were hardly puritans and withing a few more years massachusetts puritans had even more autonomous company
    http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/maypole-infuriated-puritans/

    within a couple decades they had completely lost control of even their own children who were in it for the cash. Im not actually aware of any exits like moldy and land say they are.

    Yes our occupation of his blog poses the question is he truly a pacifist and is exiting his blog to avoid us on principle because surely technically it ought to be too hard to defeat us in cyber combat on his blog.or is he just bored with this blog and too lazy to delete it or us and hasn’t a clue what we have been up to. or does he actually secretly agree with everything we say but is too embarrassed to admit it so just bequeathed us his blog. when i read his twit feed not only do i remember how a few years ago he was all against the twit vulgarity and the demotic pepes but i also notice hes now one of them hes just as nazi as they are he just uses bigger words to describe his nazi discernment.
    This is the thing we are all nazis now because the commie jews and their mongrels are at the gate in the gate and one can discern but one has to discern down to a big enough base of allies to repel the commies and niggers, maybe when its over he can live in a gated community and not have to see the likes of us unless he decides to go to a nascar race because that’s where we spend our time when not wrecking reactionary blogs right? At some point ya gotta fight you may not want ot for good reasons but as long as someone is willing to go there you have to or they will enslave you. If he wants to go fight haitians for haiti instead of jews for america that’s his call i thinks the best bet is fight here and ally with your average white man to win.

    Wagner Reply:

    They know there’s no exit, that’s the whole point of their call for patchwork (secession). *looks down at watch* It’s only a matter of time, we have Steve Pinker saying the alt-right is intelligent and scientifically-informed. Once HBD trickles down to the average whites the Jews are going to get a boot in their ass, the Mexicans and Blacks are going to be pushed South, and the women are going to be bent over our knees for long overdue spankings (which I’m sure will be more erotic than it will be violent for both of us). Only a matter of time, yup… that large mass of low impulse control goys isn’t going to be happy when they realize they’ve been being lied to, boy this makes me giddy, SHTF-America is going to be great!

    collen ryan Reply:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/opinion/social-media-dumber-steven-pinker.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=66E63E4E7B1EA8FBBBA9B836922A1B3B&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

    yeah but Pinker is still as pink as ever,so the (((cavalry))) isn’t coming and secession patchwork exit all the same shit and if you want a piece of the cathedrals turf which is most of the world you’re going to have to defeat them or get nukes.-all in favor of the spankings though. I bet theyll call the next generation the spanking boomers

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  • rohme Says:

    Also, Marx’s words on redistribution, Mike, since you’re say you are unfamiliar with his writings.

    “To those who do not work as well? … But one man is superior to another physically or mentally and so supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time… . This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor… It is, therefore, a right to inequality…”

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    collen ryan Reply:

    rhome i looked that up and found a bit more of it with a critique saying hes arguing that equalism is equalism and the end of this reasoning im guessing is the each according to his needs and abilities thing.
    Now i have argued land is wrong that cognition is the only trait worth anything, certainly its pretty convertible and maybe close to the only trait worth much. but there are others and some must buy them and im willing to bet like most labor buyers currently have better information and can more therefore easily cheat a bit to a point its not worth the fight. In fact since reading wik on accelerationism i think my argument that future teck may actually empower labor to bargain better is an accelerationist albeit left accelerationist suspicion. as is my assertion capitalism needs to be critiqued from the right because its at least as destructive as socialism in fact i have said you cant really have socialism of the non organic monkey kind without capitalism. which also turn out to be in that acceleration stuff.so while coming to this from the far right rather than most accelerationism from the far left. Im still a bit of a populist. But i see no way to pay people for how many niglets they spawn or to compensate them for being born short and stupid, its sad and all i might personally indulge my monkey empathy but again its madness to have dysgenic policy.
    That said there are talents and ‘work’ that people do thats often not counted. I said to wag a couple of days ago one of the things the proles do for us is keep the cultural fires burning. we have all heard my idaho farm boy manning the nuclear subs for bezos that is an actual job most of te time but in time of war i dont think you can put a fair price on what serving is worth, but that example might be a good opportunity to point to an example of how labor often get too low a price. we know perfectly well the wealthy have at times paid to have others serve in their stead and we know the price was nothing near what it was worth to the wealthy person. I have also said proles produce half the nations high cognitives, as well as raise the majority of all children.
    so Im saying elites are kidding themselves that they can get along alone and Im not a populist in a socialist sense im saying some proles are underpaid for their jobs and do other work they are not paid at all for well i mentioned children but at the risk of sounding like a real SJW mothering really is a pretty worthwhile and unpaid job we couldn’t last long without. Now i said long before i realized how bad immigration had gotten that women in the workforce was a giant scam to lower men’s wages by again commies and capitaloisys conspiring. because what essentially happened is mens wages were cut in half and employers got two workers for one and the owners of the nation the employers could not operate without got screwed and its another example of capitalists being poor stewards and moldburg being wrong or evil about turning the care of the nation to capitalists.

    But here’s the problem. I say this to a commie and hes like yeah so what we are going to do is have all these socialist policies so we have free everything which is just like mom getting paid. but no its nothing like that and has all sorts of unintended dysgenic consequences that any cuckservative can school you on. we had a better system that worked great for ten thousand years we denied capitalist sou wives labor supply which forced them to pay us enough to raise a family without empowering women to vote for commie faggotry. Now the capitalists has a new scam with the commies nigger labor, and niggers are practically useless but its not like the commies are going to give niggers lower levels of social service so again youre taking from the productive and giving to the dysgenic.

    there’s possibly an argument that a hardworking nordic nation can do socialism and it really doesn’t just adjust for the moms and the soldiers and such. Im an american we are not really built like that we prefer the risk and reward system and frankly im suspicious the viking just turned faggot all by themselves but they seem somewhat content and there was a time maybe you could argue there was places they could exit. hard to say.it does seem as the decades went buy europeans became harder working and more capitalistic so like russia they may have just been closer to feudalism than americans.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-unhampered-by-rules-races-ahead-in-gene-editing-trials-1516562360

    why we cant afford christianity anymore

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    collen ryan Reply:

    and yeah i was probably a christcuck a decade or two ago mumbling about morality and the fundamental value of human life and if we slipped down the slope wed be nazis well whatever heil hitler better a nazi than a chinese slave

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  • collen ryan Says:

    ok so i read the wik page on accelerationism and get all that deluse and marx and neitzs crap now and get that actually i came up with most of that shit on my own. bravo steamfitters. but here’s the thing no one knows how this plays out but to cheer for more immigration like deluxe or hoping capitalism wrecks the culture and the states like marks is fucking evil and sick. neits no doubt meant something sensible like out with the inbred feeble minded aristocracy. the chinks are obviously fighting this and so should we. thois anthony burgess wanting seed green people eating soylent green is not something you cheer on unless youre an evil jew or an evil philosopher. why do i always have to fight both sides why are you all so fucking stupid. I am just going to have to kill you all and start a new race. jesus NONONONONONO we dont want to let capitalism accelerate to self destruct and socialism 3.0 we want to stop that stop the globalism bring the capitalist to heel to the white race and serve us not destroy us.

    I am more convinced land and yarvin are probably building an opposition they can control anticipating the reaction to their little commie jew technocracy they set up a flattery club to suck in the spegs the feared might oppose. whisper in their ears youre so smart you should join us don’t go with those nazis they stuffed you in the locker remember. well all I can say is meet the new boss same as the old boss. these are the same jews and traitor wasps and if you’re one of them no wonder we stuffed you in lockers and if youre no stop acting like one and you wont get stuffed in lockers.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    wag In his confession augustine talks about going to the colosseum and indulging in blood lust I think this shit with arty I do is equally depraved I need a confessor Maybe rhome can give me absolution i think he might be opus dei

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    Wagner Reply:

    Rohme and Artxell represent two archetypes of The Leftist: one has hope, the other is nearing obsoletion. One seems to genuinely care about seeking the truth, the other seems to genuinely want to subvert the truth at all costs. My friend elsewhere has been sharing snippets from Guenon’s Intro to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines and it’s hard for me to read them objectively while I’ve been “rationally discoursing” here with the Indian Artxell, whereas Rohme is somewhat–not much but somewhat–OPEN to speculation about the things that turned shitlib you and I into well, basically neo-nazis, and I’ve been reading Burckhardt’s lectures on the Italian renaissance with an open mind due in part to R’s somewhat fluidity we’ll call it. Go back to the post of mine where I confronted Artxell on his Derrideanism, saying he deconstructs everything except leftism which is hypocritical from the stance of Deconstruction Pure, he never responded, probably because I handed his ass to him and he knows it, whereas Rohme despite his always-already leftist behavior has somewhat molted out of his shell. All the annoyance they’ve caused us with their despicably evasive behavior has at least come to fruit in giving us this hierarchy of Leftist Types.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Oh it was Molyneaux had a video i clicked on something about shitholes. Now I know here in new york two nights ago a white cleancut millennial went with his antifa idiot pals to demonstrate against the “far right nazis Molyneaux, Cernovich, and McGinnes” off course theyre sincere young men and felt they had to punch the nazis. so this one and a couple others follow this 57 year old a couple blocks and attack him knock him out his head hit the curb some random nigger told te cops and then he chokes him out and no pulse when the cops come but they revive him, idiot then attacks the cops too. this stupid kid is 130 lbs soaking wet and red haired hes not going to las ten minutes on rikers and god help him when he get sent upstate. for what. anyway that’s what led me to stephen the vichy who was carefully explaining things like average intelligence and how it affects like GDP say, and of course like everyone does you don’t want to dwell on the niggers so instead you use the jews and japanese as examples anyway eventually he got to the niggers and he got quite explicit about the reality of the situation. and i don’t really like the alt light hes not so bad but cernovich i want to punch and Mcginnes I want to beat to death utter faggotry. I digress point is they have gone from upholding the enlightenment to explaining the genetic inferiority of the nigger because well our president brought it up. So I commented “alt light losing their religion” Im actually sympathetic it must be painful, it was for me. Still like you they want a philosophy a morality they can hang on to. It disintegrating on them . Jordan Peterson also will lose his religion though it will take longer because his is actually a religion, Rhome may be a catholic.My biggest argument back when i was morally grounded was basically Mitya Karamazovs ‘if god does not exist then all is permitted? we know as white men we can do better, we know it doesnt have to be this way, we have proof we have been better, and have every reason i think that were it not for certain events we could do better yet today.sometimes though you have to die to be reborn, you have to lose everything, let go absolutely. the slightest shred of attachment and you die never to come up again or you just go through another round of humiliation and defeat.Maybe one day we can have a new moral philosophy but i dont think imagining it now is helpful. I get it Im still attached to the old religion and the enlightenment molburg destroys dawkins hypocritical atheism but does te same fucking thing himself in the process.In a way land is closest at least he larps it utter fucking pointless cold and darkness forever.Praise Gnon. It scary but you know its solid. its something you could build a new world on.Think about it, utter fucking pointless cold and darkness all the way down to infinity. It takes a real adult a white man to stand on that and start building.Yes it will be an odd philosophy based on nothing claiming nothing just being. i dont know shit about philosophy so maybe that’s garbage but I cant see how i can save a shred of it its all pozzed, i think we are at the end of the everything. we die here lights out or we begin again from scratch.It makes sense we are actually about to transcend even evolution, we have now the ability to design ourselves, im pretty skeptical about AI but im pretty sure artificial biology is starting now and i we survive this will be the point in history where everything changed where we became gods the bio singularity, gods dont have moral codes wag they simply are. I don’t know if we will live to see it but Im pretty sure we are the ones that will determine if it happens or if we die here all of humanity.Maybe Im wrong and it wont be whites because we will not let go, the slants dont have the baggage to let go of they dont have morality. This is probably what land likes about them. I think we can do better go farther faster but not if we wont recognize ourselves.These moralities we are all struggling to sustain to justify explain Theyre children’s tales we tell ourselves because we are afraid of the dark, leftist atheists love to rub that it the faces of people like Jordan peterson, but as moldy pointed out they are no better, sam harris is just as scared of the dark as the rest of us.I think its sartre who says we can make our own meaning and we can. And being god if I make my own meaning it is good.
    rhome wag tell me what have i overlooked what of your philosophies and religions do not lead right back here or rather keep us right here until we die. this is why they are all losing their religions thy are slowly seeing the truth of this. we may be ahead of them but not as far as we think we are, Moldburg is no less a cuck than dawkins.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Another typically tired and emotive theology of traumatic exaggerations, oscillating around nostalgias assumed as ignorant dogmas. There are 88 keys on the instrument, collenic only plays one, over and over again, paranoid about all the others.

    Wagner Reply:

    Yeah there’s a reticence in Moldbug but he was quite brave for someone writing 2007-2013. You see the article recently about how Dawkins’ God Delusion was translated into Arabic and downloaded 10 million times? “Wtf I love Dawkins now”. Moldbug is just a good gateway to more hellish realities. Granted you can’t get much more hellish than showing people that the Civil War didn’t really prove anything hahahha And I don’t see anyone on the contemporary right doing that kind of genealogical work that he did sadly because it can really do some damage to the common citizen’s fixed ideology. He said he was more than anything a historian of the 20th century so esoteric-Moldbug is more about throwing a monkey wrench into the notion that the WORLD Wars didn’t prove anything, which it goes without saying is a very dangerous idea. Wish people’d tease out that point more often instead of instantly jumping to the empty and exaggerated accusation of “Nazi LARPing”. Might be more tactically sound to “LARP” as the Samurai or try to paint the Kamikazes in a more sympathetic light given that whites seem to have more of an open-mind for nonwhite chimpouts.

    Wagner Reply:

    These idiots don’t seem to understand that we’re not trying to larp shit, we’re just trying to fuck with people’s heads. That’s what all this is about lmao

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s obvious, you’re both attempting to project your own feeling of being fucked-up, onto others. The reason you’re failing is because you have no talent; the reason you have no talent, is because you’ve given in to being fucked-up; the reason you’ve given in to being fucked-up, is because you’re dogmatic and deliberately practice stupidity as a virtue, which then becomes your total horizon.
    There are obvious logics to all this, but they won’t be obvious to you, that’s your weakness.

    Wagner Reply:

    “tell me what have i overlooked what of your philosophies and religions do not lead right back here or rather keep us right here until we die.”

    Nietzscheanism is like active Darwinism. Science is Is, you can’t derive Oughts from science. The surface reading of N is that he drops morality out of the picture, no, that’s what the shitlibs want you to take from N and nothing else. His philosophical poetry amounts in part to the moral imperative that the weak shall die off, indeed that they shall be made to die off. You can’t get this “goal” or “directedness” from Darwinism alone – you’re a Nietzschean and you don’t know it.

    “I want wars, in which the vital and courageous drive out the others—you ought to expel them, shower them with every manner of contempt, or lock them up in insane asylums, drive them to despair, etc.” (83/84 notebook)

    There are a lot of things to this effect in his corpus, just read him, you won’t regret it. As for the matter of mysticism, words ain’t gonna tell you what I’m trying to tell you. “Perfect cop-out, I’ve heard that one before” – no, this is just the brute fact of what I’m trying to talk about. I understand why you don’t want to try aya, relapse and all that, so google “sensory deprivation tanks” in your area and float in one of those for a couple hours. I can almost guarantee you’ll see that Darwinism and Utilitarianism (way to be a stereotypical Brit btw) aren’t everything. I don’t not believe in them, they’re just half the picture–IMHO less than half; life is just a lot more beautiful than those *philosophies* lead one to believe… Not like I’m one to talk being the sad reclusive clown that I am, but I have moments where I realize this.

    collen ryan Reply:

    back when i was a mystic lol i came to the conclusion it was all the same mist and i would be better off following the signs written in euro languages.
    There’s a lot of christian mysticism that appealed, one of them was an anonymous work called the cloud of unknowing and a followup piece titled prive counselling, thomas merton whose seven story mountain is a bit of modern mysticism is , also was a scholar on zen buddhism. well 2000 years worth.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    If you understood anything, you wouldn’t need a ‘conclusion’.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, if you only offer one type of dogmatic thesis, that’s what gets critiqued.
    It’s impossible to have reasonable discussions with dogmatists, so there is no need for ‘opening’ or ‘closing’, because dogmatic assumptions exclude reasonable consideration from the outset. E.g., the hallucination of your ‘leftist typology’, a well-known cliche, anyway, is merely an artefact of dogmatic assumptions, the projection of a simplistic, reverse formation to maintain those assumptions.

    Your notion of a ‘purist deconstruction’ assumes the very essentialism Mahayana Buddhist philosophy and deconstruction put into question. So you don’t really know what you’re talking about, and you don’t know that you don’t know that, which automatically limits your understanding and compromises your ability to recognise the workings of truth, or anything else for that matter.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Wag

    you’re a Nietzschean and you don’t know it.

    I know or at least have strongly suspected I have come to the same conclusions of Neitz I just dont claim it because I dont know enough to say so. I dont think Im a utilitarian because well for one thing I think utilitarians value life equally which translates equally appalling. When I say utter pointless cold darkness all the way down to infinity. I dont mean some utilitarian interchangeability, I think thats land thing. I mean those of us who can let go absolutely and become gods are free of everything that came before us, we will owe the past nothing, owe our fellows nothing.we can build whats beautiful to us without judgement of old gods and useless mouths. There may be a ‘mystical’ dimension to the universe, I concluded if its there and it is in any way connected to life and consciousness it is amoral in all but life and consciousness is good.In fact If anything occluded my experience of it it was my emotional connection to the old gods to morality. different religious mysticism have indicated practices that can lead to experiencing what may or may not be something to do with this dimension. I suspect those paths that lead to a sensation of oneness with artxnelll and dog shit filled trash bags on city streets, is the path of becoming soylent green for the gods that went before you, no thanks. the trick is not merging into the oneness and losing consciousness in the godhead, the trick is maintaining your autonomy within that dimension. and thats if there is even such a dimension and if it has any significance beyond a level of physics we dont yet understand.Its not that we cant have a culture a archetype moral story, its that its not indebted indentured bonded to, remember i said the insight I had in transcending samsara was that it was so accessible all we had to do was stop lying to ourselves, that lying has to do with the judging that we do about ourselves that makes us want ot lie about who we are.That judging comes from what we have been told is right and wrong, Gods have no shame. I do have a hope for a culture a new culture – as the boss put it ‘ain’t no sin to be glad you’re alive” In fact ironically i think springsteen may have written the ubermensch an anthem. He writing it from ou perspective as artexnell sees us insecure white trash fraught with anxiety about being blacked.LOL as if.But being another precocious catholic kid from the east coast i think I know where he was really coming from there were no niggers to be insecure about back then He’s breaking free of the slave morality, losing his religion, but building a new one. Many hate him but his first few album i love late boomer that i am. Hes the white dylan and unlike dylan hes not larping his roots. But of course he a leftist maybe in away he always was back then it was hard to be anything else. But hes building his new religion yet borrows freely usually blasphemously from the old culture. You can do this only if you have truly let it go absolutely so it is merely ruined rubble you repurpose. There is a thread Im sure that links Neitz to the past there will be museums. There will be cultural pentimento perhaps but they will be coincidental not a foundation that continues to the sky. Not really But for the foreseeable future we will still be demigods and will draw parallels to the past probably the pre christian past. depending on what we find out maybe there will be a new morality. Im no philosopher but my guess is it can be boiled down to it aint no sin to be glad youre alive and all that implies which of course is there aint no sin.

    Lights out tonight
    Trouble in the heartland
    Got a head-on collision
    Smashin’ in my guts man
    I’m caught in a crossfire
    That I don’t understand
    But there’s one thing I know for sure
    Girl, I don’t give a damn
    For the same old played out scenes
    I don’t give a damn
    For just the in-betweens
    Honey I want the heart, I want the soul
    I want control right now
    Yeah, are you listening to me baby?

    Talk about a dream
    Try to make it real
    You wake up in the night
    With a fear so real
    You spend your life waiting
    For a moment that just don’t come
    Well don’t waste your time waiting

    Badlands, you gotta live it every day
    Let the broken hearts stand
    As the price you’ve gotta pay
    We’ll keep pushin’ till it’s understood
    And these badlands start treating us good

    Workin’ in the fields
    ‘Til you get your back burned
    Workin’ ‘neath the wheels
    ‘Til you get your facts learned
    Baby I got my facts
    Learned real good right now
    You better get it straight girl
    Poor man want to be rich
    Rich man want to be king
    And a king ain’t satisfied
    ‘Til he rules everything
    I want to go out tonight
    I want to find out what I got

    But I believe in the love
    that you gave me
    I believe in the faith
    that can save me
    I believe in the hope And I pray
    that some day it may raise me

    Above these badlands, you gotta live it every day
    Let the broken hearts stand
    As the price you’ve gotta pay
    We’ll keep pushin’ till it’s understood
    And these badlands start treating us good

    Woah oh woah oh woah oh

    For the ones who had a notion
    A notion deep inside
    That it ain’t no sin to be glad you’re alive
    I want to find one face that ain’t looking through me
    I want to find one place
    I want to spit in the face of these

    Badlands, you gotta live it every day
    Let the broken hearts stand
    As the price you’ve gotta pay
    We’ll keep pushin’ till it’s understood
    And these badlands start treating us good

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    collen ryan Reply:

    here’s a cuckserve i used to like channelling artx. And more than one person around here has implied they’re talking about me. I didn’t grow up poor white trash even my dads family during a midwest depression era really didn’t qualify my grandfather got an engineering degree while also fitting steam and building a visceral hatred for FDR and the democrats.I grew up among NYC intellectuals many of whom were wealthy and prestigious others were edgy and arty intellectuals.But I got enough of blue collar life in various ways to not have this contempt for them, I have neither the self hatred of climbers nor the paternalist scorn of the brahmin. I get them fuck i get artx spent plenty of time omong niggers. I cant build a new morality on artx i think i can with average whites. I think i have to, its all i have to work with artx and co have failed, i want to, and its doable.Its true like trump they cant do it on their own, so yeah we ‘philosophers’ must lead the way, and they will have our back.they will produce our demigods who will produce our god population.

    Writing for National Review in March, the conservative provocateur Kevin Williamson shoveled scorn on the low-income white Republican voters who, as he saw it, were most responsible for the rise of Trump:

    Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence—and the incomprehensible malice—of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs … The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Dont teach your grandmother to suck eggs kid, i did sensory deprivation tank in 77 78? it even became a movie a bit later called altered states. as I have related i have had altered states I occasionally still have them though i dont encourage or practice for them any longer though i might again at some point. I just felt i had so many and so varied i had a fair enough experience to say i was skeptical they had any significance in what we call spirituality.Perhaps even a distraction. I i must merge into the godhead im nin no hurry i like my conscious autonomy and want as much of it as I can get, I want more life fucker.
    as i said i have a theory theres another way to not be soylent green for gods.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I wonder if that’s what happened to Erikson, he virtually stopped posting here after he ate a big dose of mushrooms. He said he felt like he was Odin lol

    I think you’re wrong to say they turn people into liberals- they turn liberals even more liberal. The hippies had the Beatles for “shamans” wtf did you think was going to happen. Normies get easily brainwashed by that shit, a group of normies tripping together without someone who’s metaphysically inclined in a nonshitlib sense is just asking for disaster. If these frogs read Ride the Tiger then trip balls they’re going to become much more solid, grounded, whole men of the right. Not to mention tripping can give one quasi-psychic powers, I’m willing to aver that one simply can’t understand psychology if one hasn’t tripped a few times, one’s own and others. Not to mention people are so nihilistic nowadays that it’s nearly impossible to see there is a Higher Order without profound, direct experiences thereof, and you can’t get that from books or from hearing a sermon; you can kind of but usually these things just reinforce normie-consciousness.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    when I was a much more orthodox AA meaning not yet accepting my atheism i like most AA who “got it” by which we mean had a psychic change as a result of these steps, which is our non denominational (atheism being one of the denominations) way of saying having had a spiritual awakening ( william James was an early AA influence) I found upon moving to idaho and meeting a lot of born agains that i could easily get them to accept I was in a sense one of them granted they didnt quite get how i had done this without having accepted jesus as my personal savior but they recognized the same psychic change in me that had taken place in them, its probably a lot of ( the more genuinely spiritual woke) hippies and born agains would also recognize each other as mystics from various faiths do, if they can avoid triggering each others religious beliefs, AA is sort of designed to not trigger because drunks are always looking for an excuse to get triggered. There’s no doubt we can change our consciousness without drugs how much doesn’t even seem to matter sometimes really radical non drug changes sometimes less so.You’re right it can be done without losing our religion of choice, no doubt many actual nazis were in that ecstasy. we know hippies and born agains hold pretty partisan beliefs while still having altered their conscience, that poor antifa kid that is going to prison will meet muslim terrorists who share a very similar altered conscience despite having really retarded views. whats odd is those views in a sense altered the consciences, or at least and this is worthy of better thinking but maybe the universal consciousness doesn’t have to be total and the religious impulse is just other consciousness you group together a sort of mind meld contract maybe psychedelics just hit those receptors selected for group bonding

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    Wagner Reply:

    Psychedelics can’t bypass ALL brainwash, they just bypass it a hell of a lot better than anything else. I remember as a teenager first tripping I had revelations that We’re All One, but that’s after having been forcefed that proposition my entire life via scolding, castrating teachers, subliminally race-mixing themed cartoons, etc. If people who’ve pulled off the Equality Goggles take psychedelics what do you think their reaction will be to this photo of Artxell’s second cousin?

    https://twitter.com/HakonRotmwrt/status/952437250326974464

    Will they feel an enlargement of heart and want to invite them into their home to teach them how to read or will they more viscerally realize, with horror, how we’ve been lied to our whole lives about the fact that some races more recently SWUNG OUT OF TREES than others?

    Psychedelics show you the truth, and the truth is dat nigga up there a monkey.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    KEK I agree i think the trait its triggering was selected for in group not out group bonding Thats a scary thought for ARTX, Nazis on ayahuasca. LMAO. Seriously when I say nazism should be the new religion what i mean is they developed rituals and techniques to induce non chemical altered states around group identity, its not exactly re inventing the wheel practices like dance, fire gazing, chant, music,symbolism were all well understood methods to induce altered states, what i liked as well is it was a religion that was kind of hard to pwn, because it’s schelling point was the very genome its religion is in support of.So priests had to suck it. I also liked it found ways to borrow old archetypes without being pozzed by them. Granted as rhome i think recently pointed out they hadnt really had it all thought out in advance and were more making it up as they were swept along by history and may have blundered, may even have been ultimately unqualified for the task, as Trump is.But you play the cards youre dealt. If NRX had listened to me they would have been ready for a trump card. not that Im anything but my point to them pre trump was you’re not assuming anything but you might be able to gently nudge an asteroid if youre ready for it, and its going to come from the populist direction,. but they are above it all and missed out and alt reich has had a better effect, which could lead to just the nazi thing they dont want and will blame proles for being proles for rather than understand if they were true elites they would have been ready to lead proles rather than scapegoat them.This idea that proles should act more elite is absurd, we already have too many elites vying for power so much they synthesize it counterfeit it.proles should be proles they are excellent at it and we need them. But they do require some paternalism for optimization. one of the biggest difference between whites and niggers is we used to cultivate our proles not let them go feral. some aristocrats cant farm.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re getting confused by the ayahuasca, Waggy, that’s your family album. Kurds are not Indian.

    I didn’t know you were a model,
    Waggy –

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    Wagner Reply:

    You two certainly look similar compared to, say, I don’t know, Norwegians.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    In the same way that you and this looks similar, I guess.

    Wagner Reply:

    Right, Euros definitely aren’t objectively more attractive than you mud people… Whatever helps you look in the mirror without feeling sick every day, monkeyboy.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    admin maybe someone should nominate ted kaczynski for you influential list admittedly I haven’t slogged through the manifesto but he does seem to have anticipated accelerationism cathedralism and horror

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    Wagner Reply:

    admin is a wimp and a weasel who is horrified of real accelerationism

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  • rohme Says:

    “And being god if I make my own meaning it is good. rhome wag tell me what have i overlooked what of your philosophies and religions do not lead right back here or rather keep us right here until we die. this is why they are all losing their religions thy are slowly seeing the truth of this.”

    If we were to take Ragnar Redbeard’s ‘Might is Right’ as an example (and some people say it is a satire) first, I would say that such a system is a-biological. All organisms exist in a culture, even if that culture is just their medium.

    What persists as a wretched, rotten stench in Might is Right is the wholesale denial of others that we are, at once, dependent on. I mean, what if, instead of raising you up by bosom, your mother crushed your newborn head over a rock?

    Not to much is it apolitical and ahistorical. It ignores all historicity and politics, which is the historization of violence. It is a Hobbesian obversion whereby the state of nature stands in for the civil state.

    There is nothing liberating about that which promises to ‘release great energies’ unto earth by extreme moral or ethical relativization, since that is already how the lowest-of-the-low maneuver in their subterranean pits. This is the way PEOPLE ALREADY ACT WHO ARE UNCIVILIZED. Why should that be something to copy?

    From G K Chesterton, one whom I show no limit in my enjoyment of reading and the one who was truly the wit that outmatched Carlyle, “The secularists have not wrecked divine things; but the secularists have wrecked secular things, if that is any comfort to them.”

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    They are, self-avowedly, demons, Giuliani, and they enjoy it. There is an entire history behind it, which they unknowingly exemplify. It’s behind you, too, but not as much as with them.

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    rohme Reply:

    Could such a pronouncement be carried beyond the status of a whisper and given the privilege of a description? Do you have a history free of demons?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Eloquent first line, Giuliani Rohme!
    Rather than privileging with a positivist description, I’m content to just leave an impression. I have described or otherwise suggested these things before, here and elsewhere, so repetition would be somewhat redundant, unless I was to add new developments, which I don’t feel like doing on this blog. Of course, it would involve reference to the Occident, et cetera.

    collen ryan Reply:

    he’s a mysterious nigger you see, it wouldn’t be indian if it weren’t occult. perhaps if you tipped him hes saving for a new scooter to deliver his curry

    rohme Reply:

    Artxell,

    While I am sympathetic to that line of reasoning, it would be nice to hear a “Real communists should apprize the latest industrial food technologies.” or “Faddish organic food environment makes the dream of global food security impossible.” you know, something around the lines of risking an actual hypothesis, for a change. One cannot meditate forever. One must always be brought back into the warm of an idea, even if that idea is simply to “Go eat.”

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The statement you so eloquently asked for a clarification of, was this:

    “They are, self-avowedly, demons, Giuliani, and they enjoy it. There is an entire history behind it, which they unknowingly exemplify. It’s behind you, too, but not as much as with them.”

    Given that collenic frequently refers to his liberal opponents as the ‘good people’; as moral or moralising people; this naturally suggests his own self-imaging as a ‘bad person’, which he qualifies, of course, as the ‘realistic or truthful person’, following Nick Land’s ‘dark enlightenment’ even more avidly than Land himself.
    The all-trite and Neoreaction have displayed a predilection for demonic imagery and ideology, quite blatantly.
    It’s obvious, too, that they derive considerable enjoyment from this preoccupation.

    Why would I even need to offer the above clarification? Is it something you’ve missed, do you require links to their celebrations of demonology?

    Giuliani, I’ve only been demonstrating their inadequate theoretical bases, and incompetences of logical consideration, which is at the root of their hate-constrained claims.
    That they are unable to articulate any argumentative coherency at those levels is due to their inability to even perceive those levels, instead they choose to slum in an economy of poorly understood positivist prejudices, from which they react in typical pavlovian ways.

    Wagner Reply:

    Interesting you use the word “slum” – I heard India has lots of those. I’m sure they’re chock full of upstanding citizens.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Yes, there are slums in India. Back in the early 1990s, Mumbai had the highest real estate prices in the world. Just looked it up, its number two now, after Hong Kong. Strangely enough, there is no US city in the top five. Could that be because the entire USA is a ‘slum’?
    What with all the genetically modified foods; the insanity of the people, like yourself and collenic; is it any wonder that no one wants to live there, except for displaced refugees!
    Aha! There’s your answer! The USA deliberately bombs all these Middle Eastern countries solely in order to generate a contrived, immigrant refugee problem with which it can portray itself once again as a desirable nation to live in!

    Anyway, I’m sure India does both wealth and poverty better than the USA? Land of extremes, as I pointed out before.

    Wagner Reply:

    Well Arty I have a deal for you. There are about half a million homeless people in the US and I propose they all get sent to Mumbai to be fed and educated for free. Deal?

    No?

    What–is that not a good deal or something?

    colleen ryan Reply:

    Did you like the little poem I wrote you batty boy, shall i write you another?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I’m not gay, collenic, and you’re not Jamaican. Not to be offensive or non-PC, but are these constant repetitions of homosexuality you keep producing some kind of fascist flirtation or courtship ritual only known to the inhabitants of your particular insane asylum?

    Actually, the poem was okay, I did laugh.

    colleen ryan Reply:

    Of course not artx, what would make anyone get that idea from your writing, I mean a fag wouldn’t come up with the idea that disdain for faggotry is actually repressed facist homsexuality and if the nazis would just get with the everyone’s a little gay spectrum they would be happy and stop hating, and the fags would get their ultimate fantasy met and be even gayer. Not to be offensive or non-PC of course.

    speaking of nazis racists with repressed sexuality, it turns out its not just Land and wag and I but even machines are racists. whats with that blood clot?

    https://jacobitemag.com/2017/08/29/a-i-bias-doesnt-mean-what-journalists-want-you-to-think-it-means/

    I’m glad you got a little chuckle from my ditty I know its not as good as land noticing you took the Pynchon sulphur yellow on your blog down a half degree.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The link between Nazism and homosexuality is well documented. It’s an Occidental thing, going back to the Spartans. Homogenising ideology and homosexuality are often corollary forms, that’s the stereotype. Mixed in with misogyny, fear of the feminine other, etc., it produces circuits of sadomasochistic psychopathology in its pursuit of whatever purist ideal of hyper-masculinity it follows.

    I just googled the ‘Nazism and homosexuality’ topic, this looks like an interesting article.

    Thanks for the link to the algorithm article, I have read about the area before, even mentioned it.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Homos are repugnant in the way rotting meat is repugnant.”

    “Are you sure you’re not a leeeeetle gay? 😏”

    “Do I want to take a little bite of rotten meat? Umm.. it makes me want to throw up.”

    “See, that means you’re gay.”

    What do you think the policy for gays should be in the ethnostate Mike?

    collen ryan Reply:

    “might” is all like it or not. what is this “might”

    A mother is not a great example being part of the root code survive to replicate. But you will find in situations where we can not afford our morals women will in fact smash their children if it threatens her own ability to survive to replicate or to raise other replicants she calculates have a better chance of surviving to repolication age.So even the mother child bond to some extent is a contract for mutual interest defence.

    and while not all might is not contracted might most is, and what you call morality is the same morass you disparage, its just some make better contracts. And of course you try and conflate organisms that have much different strategies even implying non sexual reproducing species can be compared. we are social and sexual. there is no ant morality even for you. Your moral culture is just a more sophisticated law of the jungle, its simply gotten so complex you have forgotten what you were trying to accomplish with it. The philosophy or religion or ethics you overlay over it is what you came up with on one level to understand why you have had this law this morality, on a deeper level its part of the biocultural reinforcement process designed to get you to adhere to it. But where did it come from surely not moses.You shall not kill thy neighbor because you shall need him to help you kill the other tribe. You love tolstoy so you will remember in his confessions how he gets in high dudgeon about the orthodox clergy blessing the troops to go out and break god’s command of not killing.This is what happens when even brilliants such as tolstoy get confused about a moral and it purpose which is always boiled down to survive that i might replicate. This we know if there is a god is his first law for it is literally written as the first line of code in the most simple to the most complex life form he may have created. Morals are the result of intelligence and instinct working out how to make more “might” ability to survive to replicate. if it makes you all feel any better i do not say we will cease to make contracts have instinctual behaviors even for a while longer. But we have lost our memories of what they are meant to do and that is what we must remember, and many of the contracts dont serve us any longer or never did just jews tricking us, and much has changed and much culture lost to jew wreckers so we will have to start with shorter less complex contracts that we can see at a glance serve the root law perhaps again we can get much more complex contracts i would hope so and think whites can we excell at them but now we have become philadelphia lawyers.If you wonder why jews dont get pozzed its because their earlier religion didnt lose track of the reason for the moral laws it christ with his spirit of the law shit that is the bug in the code christ was wrong about the laws true purpose which means he wasnt god

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    collen ryan Reply:

    BTW I am not familiar with’might as right” la wiks first sentences make me say no no no that is not what i meant at all that isnt it at all, hedonism nah hedonism is duygenic no? not all against all either we will have morals again we will just break free of the cuck consciousness the jews and others implanted. i would say become jews or muslims but youll take me seriously im only serious inasmuch as they are closer to remembering what matters than christian morality does.christian morality worked because all that misplaced moral redistributionist at least accrued to other white christians. and probably it got a historical boost in ways like acting as a shelling point for whites in time to face outside threats

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Id add I have always said we are millions of years worth of random patches for long lost environments and there may be no infinitely sustainable culture until we reboot our genome to a custom built culture, meantime you at leat will be glad to know i say whats been tried and worked is almost surely our best option to the extent we can patch it up. But as far as the more drastic cultural moral realignment not only does christianity etc have to go we also need to keep in mind other evolutionary constraints until we reboot. That is not to say we have to pay attention to our sentimental attachment to old morality but say for instance recognize counter redbeard that we have evolved as social apes not socialist ape or sjw apes though

    collen ryan Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=316&v=4IBegL_V6AA

    these two idiots are talking about bio morality in sort of half assed way kek

    seriously its really cute to see these two do the jew gentile thing so well. haidt remeinds me we should start a list of good jews lol call it i dont know Jareds list or something and we can nominate and elect good jews who can stay.

    rohme Reply:

    I’m working on a response to your posts, in the meantime I’d ask you to read this:

    https://oldnicksite.wordpress.com/category/speciation/

    rohme Reply:

    “The philosophy or religion or ethics you overlay over it is what you came up with on one level to understand why you have had this law this morality, on a deeper level”

    But can you tell me the reason for this overlay and why it can’t also be described on a biological level? You illustrate the problem perfectly.

    You put forward an essence of man, a normative claim that man should follow his essence, and a teleology or end; what it is towards which man is moved by his nature.

    But the problem is at the level of his “essence”, between the fixity of animal code and the arbitariness of human language. In lieu of code, you think of language as this speculative coating; nonessential and inorganic. Is that what you think of self-consciousness?

    Does our rationality flow from an iron cage of causal determinations arising from instinct? I’d say not. I’d say our rationality is always under threat of subsumption into the compulsive power of instinct. Thus, the human being is a sorry sight. Animals are perfect and we are not. What I’m saying is: we are a freak accident.

    There scantly are any scientific theories on the origin of language. The origin, of course, cannot be empirically observed. Trying to assess language is like a chair measuring its own dimensions. We cannot think of language like an organ-part. If we are going to be Aristotelean naturalists we have to say: if we do not know a thing’s origins, we cannot know its ends; if we do not know a thing’s causes, we cannot know it’s effects. Language is not just ‘more complicated squeaks and squawks’.

    With ourselves, we have the case of natural organisms coming to be occupied with themselves and eventually understanding themselves in ways no longer explicable within the boundaries of nature or anything that can be studied via empirical observation. How can we take ourselves as an object of science when it is we who do science? At the level of the complexity and organization of the physical properties involving the brain, you won’t find anything different from the animals. Yet we are here talking and reasoning and doing things differently from that of the animal. Don’t you want to think of yourself differently? Science wants man to be animal so badly, to throw him in a zoo horizontal to the other animals and lock him there for good.

    Before modern science made this of man, the phenomenologist had a term, anthropogenetic desire, to distinguish between man and animal on the question of erotology. One of the greatest phenomenologists, Hegel, wrote of man, “Man’s desire is the desire of the Other.”

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    “You love tolstoy so you will remember in his confessions how he gets in high dudgeon about the orthodox clergy blessing the troops to go out and break god’s command of not killing.This is what happens when even brilliants such as tolstoy get confused about a moral and it purpose which is always boiled down to survive that i might replicate.”

    If the moral and the purpose is “boiled down to survive so that one might replicate”, then how did Tolstoy get himself in a dudgeon and how did the troops get themselves on the battlefield?

    Of that’s right, civilization is not biological, which is why civilization continuously fall apart. Tolstoy’s sacrifice and the troop’s duty are not biological.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Wag

    “Rather than privileging with a positivist description, I’m content to just leave an impression.” I cant stop laughing call an ambulance

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    Wagner Reply:

    The impression he thinks he gives:

    BEHOLD THE POSTMODERN BUDDHA

    The impression he actually gives:

    https://imgur.com/a/fHBEt

    At first I thought you were just using it as a putdown but since you pointed it out I keep reading his writing and concluding he IS probably what they call a “genderqueer”. It must be rough being him.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Maybe little Arty will realize someday that we’re a blessing in disguise:

    https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/956216353471463427

    These muds are bound to be getting fed up with all the saccharine kissassery our pitying and pitiful numale SJW co-ethnics have been lavishing on them. They treat these primitives like mommies rocking their babies in cradles gently singing to them. Doesn’t this get a little insulting??

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    rohme Reply:

    You’re just like Artxell. Neither of you are any help to me. I have to do all the heavy lifting around here.

    Wagner Reply:

    Me: Those leftists just keep treating them like babies, it’s so insulting. Even I, a racist m-f-er, seek to treat them with more dignity than that.

    Rohme: You two are the same, rockabye baby on the tree top,

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    rohme Reply:

    I don’t know how many times I have to disarticulate myself from that position. Do I not treat you with dignity? Do I not engage you while everyone else on this blog has evacuated?

    Wagner Reply:

    They’ve gone because they’re leftist cowards like you. You’re a little less cowardly, that’s about all you have going for you. This I admire you for but you could still go a lot further. You’re courageous for the wrong reasons however. Note, you still haven’t answered my Planet of the Apes question.

    colleen ryan Reply:

    regarding fags in the reich my long answer got lost short answer is whether virus or genetic flaw fags wont be with us much longer but if they were i say like grandparents serious crime we might ignore if you behave well and keep it hidden.if you step out of line bad things happen.require cultural element like the female problem except we actually love and need females whereas gay talent is surely over claimed and we can do without. milo for instance has far exceeded his usefulness and needs exterminating.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    There once was a wog from Bombay
    with a curry colored blog to say
    I’ve raised a little brown fist
    at the end of my limp wrist
    against something to do with the positivist

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    Thanks rhome i have read that before but read it again bring it niggam But please dont write like nick land i hate that fucking cute writing

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    Wagner Reply:

    Michael, this is your mother speaking: your nerd-lockering gene is coming out again.

    Land makes a good point in his quintessential essay- “whites” are niggers compared to what is coming. What Mike and I contest is this notion of “in ten generations” – we are focused on what’s happening NOW. Right now all the TV shows and news-stations, all the credentialed professors of universities and their people-on-the-street cogs are advocating the extinction of European people. Why do you think that is happening, Rohme? Would you mind answering my question, please, instead of evading?

    Using Land’s logic, do you really think that 10 generations of Somali/Artxell/white mulattos could bring about an Ubermensch? I mean, even if they could, why would you want to give them the reins to this sacred project? Euros could pull it off in two or three generations, it’s questionable whether people who never invented the wheel mixed with people who blame their superiors for their shortcomings would EVER pull it off.

    Land’s call for posthumanism here is a clear communist plot. Nicholas, if you succeed in this subversion of the forces unleashed by Moldbug, you better get plastic surgery and move to an unknown island, otherwise the last thing you know will be a dumb goy like me putting a knife into you.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    well said
    Nothing nick said in that essay isn’t already implied by Darwin to Teilhard de chardin through EO Wilson and of course everything since. Face tentacles he can imagine but white people acting as they did 60s years ago impossible? Any sane reasonable person who seriously wants to direct their evolution towards face tentacles from here first unwinds niggers.and jews. niggers and jews do not care about truth (particularly the truths that lead to squid faces) they care only about what’s good for niggers and jews. Its not good for niggers and jews to have whites evolve or white understand evolutionary biology. The chinese are working on face tentacles because they dont have niggers and jews demanding they not do nazi science. when niggers and jews try to infiltrate chinese culture the chinese know it and stop it because the chinese area chinese centric civilization and know exactly what is and is not chinese culture, and part of that is knowing chinese people and culture is the best and must be preserved. ( oh yeah thats the essential truth of evolution itself) all people should get this truth,niggers and jews get this, lions and tigers get this, only whites have allowed jews to translate their culture for them and lose its essential purpose in the process.You cant outsource your empire. You can certainly never allow a high cog overclass that is not your own people to take over your nation. The crazy thing is the jews have a 5000 year old reputation for just this that was again ignored.How many times must they tell you they will not assimilate but they will take over your nation before you believe them.so when someone tells me they must enslave prole whites because face tentacles but jews are just ok i know they do not really want face tentacles they want power.

    Maybe lands just an idiot like say Lindsey graham, hes just been jew cucked till the cums rotted his brain. certainly he writes like that, he piles 25 bizarre assertions in the most tortured syntax thats just too cute on top of each other without explanation or proof or even example, then concludes face tentacles are inevitable! bla blah blah. we are a long way from them, Im all in favor we start now, i have several minor ailments they ought to be able to cure along the way. and theres a few billion niggers who want to be white before they want to be octopi and i cant wait to pay for their hair straightening and general whitening.Maybe thats lands plan to pay for squid faces by relieving us of the nigger burden by making them white first , he so clever that land.

    But just maybe after the disaster of the last several upheavals by forward thinking progressives geniuses we ought to maybe go a little slow on this octopi idea. i know what could go wrong, but still. maybe first solve the last mess progressives made before letting them play with our dna. Rhome this essay isnt serious its a sci fi larp like a slate article for nerds click bait. As I said we have all known we are moving towards directed evolution, Land gave a nice survey of some of the steps we have taken hardly news though.what hes ignoring is this big fucking blunder into the limitations we encountered this past 100 years. While the limitations are not insurmountable they are informative.whites have gone down a evolutionary dead end with christianity and universalism generally, it doesn’t even matter whether the jews got up to their usual mischief we need to back track. I don’t think the slants can match us in problem solving despite their little edge in IQ, but i don think their old religion is much more suited to transition to the darkness.we need our nations back now we cant let the slants get first mover advantage on shit we invent any longer we are starting to invent the next wave tech.

    If like land tried youre going to argue that squid faces are not whites by definition bullshit. their will be yellow squids and white squids and jew squids just you wait and see. It will be a long time before there are not squids in different colors or genomes and when it happens its going to be a hostile takeover. It crazy to argue me out of my ethnic interests today over what my distant great great great great grandchildren will look like, i wont have any if i dont protect my specific genetic interests today. if you and land dont care who inherits the universe good on ya get the fuck out of our way and stop larping conservatism, you’re solving another problem that has nothing to do with moldburg claims he wanted to solve when invoking carlye.

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    rohme Reply:

    Here’s a question: what do Land; America; Japan; Germany; Britain; the Soviet Union, all share in common: TECHNOCRACY.

    Land considers human evolution to also be human social evolution and human social evolution to also be technological revolution, so TECHNOCRACY is also human evolution.

    rohme Reply:

    Mike, you and I talking is very much like Marx conversing with Eustance Mullins; our analyses are going to make similar discoveries, but the fact is what you biologize as a Jew is what I socialize as a capitalist.

    Wagner,

    “Right now all the TV shows and news-stations, all the credentialed professors of universities and their people-on-the-street cogs are advocating the extinction of European people. Why do you think that is happening, Rohme? Would you mind answering my question, please, instead of evading?”

    Please, show me. I’m all eyes and ears. I would love to see a snippet from a televised program that calls for the extinction of European people. I would love information on all the credentialed professors of universities advocating for the extinction of European people. Poorly written first sentence, Wagner. Something tells me that’s not, maybe, what you really wanted to say. So now I’m reading between the lines of a thesis of which you have not offered any evidential support. Like Artxell, you’re being a very uncharitable monologist. I will still respond.

    ——————–

    Why just journalists? Why not their think tanks? Why just credential professors? Why not their research agencies? Why not government officials and their consulting firms? Why not business executives and their foundations? Lawyers and jurists and their nonprofits? Why not Phi Beta Kappa Society or Scroll and Key or Skull and Bones? Why not the Council of Foreign Affairs or Le Cercle or Bohemian Club or the World Economic Forum or the European Council or the Bilderberg Group or the Council of Economic Advisers or the Business Roundtable or the Business Council or the Group of 30? Why not governmental agencies? Why not the Overseas Private Investment Corporation or the Export-Import Bank of the United States? Why not the whole of the structure instead of just a part? Why not an investigation of the whole which can go towards explaining the actions of the part?

    To answer such a question as this, it is good to take words straight from the horse’s mouth. From the YouTube video from the Foreign Policy Association titled “Elites, Education, and the Future”, of a lecture given by Leon Botstein, President of Bard College and board member of the Open Society Foundations.

    “For economic and political reasons there will be a flow of populations (partly because of climate change) Europe which is experiencing a secular decline of native population will inevitably be the destination point of people moving from South to North. The United States and Canada as well will be the objects of migration.”

    What economic and political reasons? They are never mention. Climate change? This is not expounded on but merely taken as a given. Nothing is clear. The only thing that’s clear is: There is going to be migration. He goes on to say:

    “The only way to deal with this is to return to a theory and a practice of a democracy which focuses on the individual. The original theory of democracy has to find a way to reconcile the question of race; to get it clear that people who look different and have different physiognomy are equal and entitled to the same privileges and rights.. Rule of law cannot survive without a reduction of radical inequality.”

    I believe this is self-evident. Funny enough, while Lord Botstein is explicitly talking about democracy, Lord Botstein is implicitly operating from a belief of policy belonging in the hands of experts. He goes on to say:

    “Pilgrims came here to create a society which was completely uniform and rigidly controlled on religious doctrine. Justification by faith alone, its not my membership in a community but it is my conversation with God that allows me access to salvation and grace.”

    Chatter. It is he himself he is describing as the one whose “conversation with God allows access to salvation and grace”. (Of course, you could level a ‘Moldbuggian critique by saying they’re social justice Progressives; inheritors of Protestant theology. But I’m going to take different route and say individualism follows from another tradition, rational egoism.)

    To your question. How do I explain all this? Is it plotted ethnocide?

    No! Never so much has a phrase applied more than here; IT’S NOT PERSONAL, IT’S JUST BUSINESS.

    ——————————–

    Progressivism is the time at which the business was wedded to government in the veil of efficient, technocratic managerialism. Wilson and Roosevelt have to be taken together, as do Roosevelt and Weinberg, Lippmann and Rockefeller, as do Lippmann and Sinclair, Perkins and Debs, the Bedaux unit and minimum wage.

    I will offer here some mercy, since Moldbug and Land have been such dubious genealogists for so many. They’ve forgot to mention that, a hundred years ago, neocameralism was put into operation in America and Britain. Read William Harbutt Dawson’s “The German Workman: A Study in National Efficiency” Let me list for you the chapter titles.

    MUNICH LABOUR BUREAU
    INSURANCE AGAINST WORKLESSNESS
    THE RELIEF OF WANDERING WORKERS
    LABOUR COLONIES
    RELIEF WORKS FOR THE UNEMPLOYED
    HOUSING OF THE WORKING CLASSES
    MUNICIPAL HOUSE BUREAUX
    SHELTERS FOR THE HOMELESS
    MUNICIPAL PAWNSHOPS
    INDUSTRIAL COURTS OF ARBITRATION
    THE INDUSTRIAL INSURANCE LAWS
    MUNICIPAL INFORMATION BUREAUX
    THE GERMAN POOR LAW
    THE ELBERFELD POOR RELIEF SYSTEM
    THE TREATMENT OF INDUSTRIAL MALIN GERING
    THE ANTICONSUMPTION CRUSADE
    THE BERLIN CONVALESCENT HOMES
    THE DOCTOR IN THE SCHOOL
    THE BERLIN WORKHOUSE
    DRESDEN MUNICIPAL WORKHOUSE

    What was the name of Herbert Croly’s magazine again? Oh yeah, THE NEW REPUBLIC.

    —————————————

    Nobody wants to listen to read Marx. Big bad wolf. But he described monopoly as a historically necessary form of capitalism. When something is historically necessary something is unable to be denied as unfolding in history. Capitalists competing for larger market share tends toward monopoly and monopoly tends toward planned economy of the state in monopolist’s favor. Global capitalists competing for larger market share tends toward global monopoly and global monopoly tends toward planned economy of the world in monopolist’s favor. World government. The ‘free market system’ and the myth of perfect competition are controlled op.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Please, show me. I’m all eyes and ears. I would love to see a snippet from a televised program that calls for the extinction of European people.”

    Watch Comedy Central a couple hours and get back to me. It’s something you need to tune your mental antenna to, it’s somewhat subtle- but once it’s tuned you see that it’s all-pervasive. I can see it on virtually every channel in virtually every newspaper, and hear it from virtually every college-grad’s mouth; you can’t because you’re one of them. It’s like the idea that the eye/I can’t see its seeing, or as Alan Watts put it, you can’t bite your own teeth. Here’s a thought experiment from the sovereign round these here parts. Mike calls him Moldburg but seems to forget he’s half Scottish – how else do you think he would have come up with this one?:

    “Racism is widespread in Western society. Or at least it supposedly is. And it certainly once was. So why isn’t there, or wasn’t there, a racist TV channel? Surely, in our brave new world of 300 channels, there’s enough audience for Confederate Racist Television? Can you imagine the six o’clock news on CRT?”

    Why do you think this is Rohme? You’re obviously a champion of diversity. Do you then advocate for Mike to host CRT?

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan
    rhome I think FDR formalized technocracy as government that his cousin TR began, wilson continued, by kenedy joe sixpack understood it. I really dont think it took EO wilson to make us understand culture was part of the feedback loop. I mean sure the technocrats refuse to accept anything but a blank slate but we all have always known a nigger when we saw one. Is it supposed to be news that a state is part of a culture is part of the environmental pressure? Rhome do the heavy lifting tell us what the above has to do with the fact that the technocrats have been fucking idiots or evil from day one and need to be stuffed in fucking lockers. rhome you know what i think happened the eggheads had a meeting with rand corp maybe in the 50s who explained malthus to them, and since they were all good episcopalians surrounded by lying kikes they got talked into Cap Com because they didn’t have the balls or brains to get rid of the other races. and now their disinformation campaign has become a religion.

    these nations are technocracies yeah and ravens make tools and so some ravens beaks straightened out and eyes narrowed so they could hold tools better and see the end of their tools. But they dont let jews talk them into breeding nioggers by the billions because despite being technocrows they are not stupid like a cuck with jew cum up to his eyeballs .
    rhome rhome rhome PLEASE TELL US THE SECRET WHAT ARE YOU HEAVY LIFTERS REALLY UP TO ?

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Mike, you and I talking is very much like Marx conversing with Eustance Mullins; our analyses are going to make similar discoveries, but the fact is what you biologize as a Jew is what I socialize as a capitalist.”

    followed by:

    “To answer such a question as this, it is good to take words straight from the horse’s mouth. From the YouTube video from the Foreign Policy Association titled “Elites, Education, and the Future”, of a lecture given by Leon Botstein, President of Bard College and board member of the Open Society Foundations.”

    So this (((“cap[italist”))) Botstein who works for this other (((capitalist Soros))) and the reason they are importing hundreds of millions of niggers to white nations is so these niggers can Build AI whites wont build, and keep the quanta from decaying in the feynman fields. Got it Rhome.

    But I thought we were at peak labor and AI robots were going to do all the work which was why i shouldn’t worry you guys were going to do away with all us prole whites. Rhome the world government is correct and the way to get world government is as wag said to genocide us whites. and you can play semantics about what genocide means and at what point white nations will meet your definition my definition is sans massive world war we have probably passed the point already. when you act like the ComCap new world order is not genocide sooner or later well its just like the bard jew acting like his whole evil plan is just inevitable. and its is jewish interests driving this and not because they are capitalists because they are jews. theres lots of ways capitalists can profit without destroying white civilization in fact the whole plan is fucking retarded and one of two things are going to happen the niggers and chinese are going to kill them all or people like me will stop them in time and kill them all. I mean you realise you just said alex jones has been calling it since 1990. and lol he has i was wrong there really are lizard people they just jews and wasp traitors.I got to stop typing I’m too pissed to make sense. all I can say is this plan is fropm my perspective worth murdering to stop and joe sixpack has already tumbled to this and is out for blood. its no inevitable or desirable. its exactly why i say eggheads need to be taken out of positions of power and locked into labs and jews need to be sent home with the other niggers so whites can concentrate on the yellow menace while theres still time. Oh and capitalism needs to be subordinated to culture

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    rohme Reply:

    No, not Jews, capitalists.

    Were John D. Rockefeller, Henry Clay Frick, Andrew Carnegie, George Fisher Baker, William Rockefeller, Edward Harkness, Jews?

    No, they don’t have to ‘genocide whites’ when whites are involved in the orchestration of this world government.

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    rohme Reply:

    The fact there are Jews among capitalists doesn’t change the fact they are capitalists. They are not the Jews crossing the streets of south Williamsburg. Do we need to count of all the white billionaires? Where is this going?

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  • rohme Says:

    Science is truth-in-progress.

    Scientism is the truth as arrived at.

    Science thinks of the knowledge it has as incomplete.

    Scientism thinks of the knowledge it has as final; an irrevocable, positive stupidity that will never gaze upon itself in the mirror as self-conscious ignorance.

    In science, truth is gradated through consensus. What does not earn consensus, what is comprised of multiple or contradicting points of view, is relegated to a theory. What is consensus is considered knowledge-at-present, the latest remediation of all errors concerning that subject.

    In scientism, which I will now go on to label dogmatism, truth is not gradated through consensus; instead, truth-holders are gradated in correctness of holding-truth by the criterion of an absolute, pre-given truth.

    Science is democracy.

    Dogmatism is authoritarianism.

    ———————–

    “I’m an God, what I say is right.”

    Said Anyone…

    But hold on…

    “I am God, what I say is right.” one did not arrive at independently. When one says that “what they say is right”, right is already conceived as that which is capable of being validated inter-subjectively, meaning, through consensus. The someone to whom you need to prove your rightness needs to be impressed upon them that what you are saying is not made up by yourself, meaning, what you are saying somebody else also believes, that you have not duped them, that you are not they only one that thinks this, and that some one else must think this.

    Irrespective of what one is saying is right, one need ideas which are not their own. When one say’s “I am God, what I say is right.” they are using ideas which are not their own, which is what impressed them enough to say it in the first place. Egoism, individualism, atheism, social Darwinism inform you that “You are God and what you say is right.”

    Now in the realm of dogma, psychological egoism can be taken as truth. It is in fact taken as truth. It is the modern form of self-hood for the human subject.

    But how about scientific? In science, psychological egoism is merely a theory. In evolutionary psych, it is thought of as unlikely for natural selection to have given purely egoistic motives.

    (Side note: constant struggle: warring: is not good model for an evolution. Warring provides no advantage in energy efficiency.)

    On the anthropological/archeological side, many scientists believe that, FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR EXISTENCE AS A SPECIES, humans lived in relative peace and prosperity. What changed that? Agriculture. When did war start? With agriculture. When was that? About 12,000 years ago.

    ————————–

    THE CIRCULAR AGRUMENT

    Mike: I would still behave only self-interestedly, without ever having a need for an encounter with a proposition telling me to act within my own self-interest, because it is natural!

    Rohme: How is it you know that it is natural?

    Mike: Because we’re talking about self-interest! Come on, it’s natural!

    ————————————-

    “I have heard it said and do agree with the idea that ‘I am God and what I say is right.”

    “I’ve heard it said that self-interest was in my self-interest.”

    ————————————-

    Take responsibility for your humanity, Mike. You have an abyss of choice, free will. You may or may not take anything for a fact. Self-interests involve a self who has interests. It is not AN interest (dominate, cheat, exploit, murder) which is a self. Don’t believe what the capitalists want you to think. Don’t buy into it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    No rhome science is not arrived at through consensus, consensus is arrived at through consensus science is arrived at through experiment and replication.

    “I am God, what I say is right.” one did not arrive at independently. When one says that “what they say is right”, right is already conceived as that which is capable of being validated inter-subjectively, meaning, through consensus.

    WHAT PART OF I AM GOD DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND GOD DOESNT NEED TO BE VALIDATED ISNT SUBJECTIVE AND DOESNT GIVE A SHIT WHAT THE HEAVENLY HOST THINKS- jeez your going to that there has to be a there there shit, no there doesnt when ebola virus starts taking out niggers it doesn’t need any of your philosophy it knows its god until someone stops it then it knows nothing. it doesnt need to justify or get permission. when you try to say i need to place my god will within your philosophical construct youre simply attempting to thwart my will fine thats your god strategy and lots of cucks want to lose that game to you and the jews i see the game and i say fuck the game we need to transcend that game transcend every last bit of moral claim man has ever made up to justify whatever he wanted to justify to whoever he wanted to. youre a priest rhome but Im not buying that snake oil philosophy any more .

    On the anthropological/archeological side, many scientists believe that, FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR EXISTENCE AS A SPECIES, humans lived in relative peace and prosperity. What changed that? Agriculture. When did war start? With agriculture. When was that? About 12,000 years ago.

    UTTER BULLSHIT and even if it were true why would anyone believe what anthropozzogists said you should think. but it is true every living thing has written as its first line of code survive by any means necessary and replicate. i dont actually need science or philosophy to tell me thats true i have played russian roulette with hells angels and won.

    Take responsibility for your humanity, Mike. You have an abyss of choice, free will. You may or may not take anything for a fact. Self-interests involve a self who has interests. It is not AN interest (dominate, cheat, exploit, murder) which is a self. Don’t believe what the capitalists want you to think. Don’t buy into it.

    I dont believe the capitalists the communists or the philosophers priests youre all fucked its exactly what i say to burn.

    I did not say we would cheat murder or drink rum all day either. taking the universe for ourselves is not cheating and murdering it is acting as i should it is clear the others are a useless risk and must go we need the room it is time in fact we should have done it over the past 500 years instead of that stupid colonialism slavery shit that christianity came up with.will whites continue to have some intra white contracts yes until we can actually get squid faces we will remain apes and as apes, just because we hunt and tear apart all the other apes doesnt mean we cease to be apes. what will probably happen is not squid faces but god likenesses. we will find ways to be permanent no death meaning no conflict with each other.

    rhome I see finally you really are a brain dead commie. I don’t understand it there’s so many of you geniuses that are so fucking stupid. It’s Like once your IQ exceeds 130 you go full retard about basics and everything just becomes a manic depression schizophrenic bad trip.

    Listen carefully brother.

    Theres no fucking God, ok let me rephrase no God that has any religion or moral position no god that intercedes or interferes its just impossible

    maybe of three possible causes of universe always was sprung from nothing made by first cause god anybody’s guess. but if there was a first cause god he is the god that let laws of nature including evolution be the only thing he ever revealed and my friend they are cold and dark cause and effect survive by any means possible thats the only possible thing god ever said.

    so when your priests and philosophers start yapping you know they are lying because their mouth moves, but the worst of all the yapping lying philosophers are the commie french jews who said one true thing which was nothings true its all bullshit and meaningless then lied about everything else but what makes them the worst is they don’t even bother to come up with a good bullshit philosophy its entirely based on semantics. And youre strung out on that shit man and you got get off it it rots the brain. If youre not sure if youre here someone needs to put a bullet in your head to settle the question for you. No I mean this sincerely rhome if people want to corrupt the youth of the white race arguing about is there a there there, if we are in a video game or should we have squid faces or trunks then they need to be waterboarded with hemlock tea. Its just utter fucking faggotry.

    This i know whites have for 3000 years ruled the world theres no reason we cant except jews christians niggers and slants are trying to stop us good for them it now time to put away childish things and kill them all and proceed as we are destined to. Im really sorry all you heavy lifters wanted something more interesting, truly. But the fact of the matter is you idiots have wasted the past 500 years and may already have cost us our place in the heavens.

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    rohme Reply:

    “No rhome science is not arrived at through consensus, consensus is arrived at through consensus science is arrived at through experiment and replication.”

    I didn’t say science, I said truth.

    “i dont actually need science or philosophy to tell me thats true i have played russian roulette with hells angels and won.”

    Got it. That makes so much sense.

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    rohme Reply:

    No. I’m being facetious! That makes no fucking sense to me. You played Russian roulette with Hell’s Angel’s and won. What am I exactly supposed to do with that information? How does it relate? What do you mean?

    collen ryan Reply:

    “Science is democracy.” caught commie lying again. rhome I am beginning to realize you are what father zappetti called a blivat which when the fellow in question asked what that was Fr said ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag. Granted you do it a bit better than ATX but its the same shit just you’re not a nigger larping commie french jews you are a commie french jew.

    what does the comment about the hells angels mean? cant find it but if i recall you were spreading some commie lies about how life was like a drum circle and not at all about survival and i used that time i had gun to my head for most of a christmas eve as an example that life is about surviving not kumbaya. The thing rohme is no matter waht your faggot religion tells you there guys out there that literally ( and i do not mean that in the millennial sense) literally do not care if they live die or do 25- life. your philosophy is worthless when you are dealing with them and trust me you will deal with them you’re living in a historical anomaly that’s about to revert to the mean you denied earlier. They have become gods or hells angels. You and soros think you have been winning because youre so smart, its not that it just had to get to a point where we simply have to act. unfortunately the way the world is that point had to come so late the action will make the holocaust look like nothing.because only that level of action can bring about the change required.
    The reason I keep asking wtf are they thinking[ and now i realize i should have phrased it are you thinking since its clear you’re one of them].Is because anyone can see this isnt going to work, the jews only get what they always get when they do what they always do, The capitalists will again sell the ropes that hang them , no great matter we can always get new capitalists that behave themselves, but your ilk the good whites with the high IQS you’re the really mysterious ones. how can you be so smart and so stupid . billions of your precious niggers are going to suffer and die precisely because you brought them nto the world and incited them etc, your stupid philosophies will be despised, everything you hold precious will be destroyed because your so fucking stupid.a fucking bright child a steam fitter could see this setting up back in the 70s. There’s not going to be any immanentizing the eschaton there’s going to be the fourth reich. which you think is what i want i didnt you left me no choice, you thought like all good whites that because you were a spineless faggot all whites are. Its really hard to believe in 100 years such a large part of the white race could pick up a trai like that but i guess if the jews could pick up a half a SD you guys could turn cuck. its just that its as mysterious as the actual faggot gene its dysgenic how does it survive maybe the church supported your ilk as priests but how did it get passed on?

    rohme Reply:

    Science is democracy in that it knows its knowledge is incomplete, it is in progress, and goes by consensus. Please spend a little more care reading over what I type. In fact, you know what I think, I know what you think. How about we just leave it there for now.

    Wagner Reply:

    Subtext of this exchange:

    Science shows niggers are dirtclods so Rohme wants to say Wait Science is always changing, niggers aren’t dirtclods.

    rohme Reply:

    Not at all is that the subtext. What do you want, Wagner?

    Wagner Reply:

    I want squid-faces. They’re not going to come about from communist policies like yours. That will bring about the opposite of squid-faces. How don’t you see that? Aboriginal Australians can’t even learn algebra! Blacks play basketball and listen to rap, this is how they assimilate (infiltrate) high civilization. Will you just give me a straight answer for once? Why are you always lying? I thought we were friends. Friends don’t lie to each other.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    the fact there are capitalists among the jews doesnt change the fact theyre jews what didi brecht say?

    Look rhome im not actually a big anti jew guy but i am a big stop lying guy and its just a plain lie that the 100 year lead into this was jew orchestrated. yeah sure they had help some from naive but do good good whites and some from new world order and profits at any cost capitalists. but youre conflating all sorts of things that tangentially contributed. rockefeller ford wilson were white supremacist racists they might have wanted an Imperial america they were not planning to niggerize the west, that was a plan the commie jews came up with. tillerson doesnt think he needs to niggerize america to get oils sold neither did Iacocca or all the old white guys its the tech jews that are the first to want this and some chicken processors maybe and some construction guys. but 99% of it was the jew left.

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    rohme Reply:

    “the fact there are capitalists among the jews doesnt change the fact they’re jews”

    that’s cute. how about this:

    the jews who are not capitalists are not the ones who are affecting you, whereas the capitalists who are not jews are.

    round and round we go.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Ok while its true in the past few years jews like zuck and serge say have emrged as capitalist jews who have influence over me or my nations etc. its not really the capitalist jews who have paved the road to ruin it was the socialist jews who did most of that. Now it could also be said that capitalist jews or wealthy jews backed the commie jews and we can go all the way back to the 1800s and see capitalist jews threatening to pull dep store ads if they editorialize against (((eastern european immigration))). so technically you could claim to be right. But rhome that the kind of right that makes me lose respect for you because its clearly not capital that is motivating 1890 jews or 1940 jews or 2017 jews to destroy the west its their jewishness. there’s not more money in google and facebook being partisan leftist in fact its really risky but they do it. Soros isnt global organizing to make money hes doing it to further jewish interests. Hollywood is putting itself out of business making sjw movies and the rest of the media has similarly hurt its brands by pushing lefty jew points of views. theres not even a lot of white capitalists that want the jew world order. they became scared to object to it over many decades as jews seized the levers of power corporations went from peter max ads to full throated pozzed because one false step and you’re jewed. sure there are some businesses that have found benefits in globalism more all the time as capitalists have a way of adapting to whatever they have to.But you can see where its already blowing up in their faces as china just steal the tech and sells it shit imitations to us duty free.global capitalism is a stupid idea as implemented and its treasonous as well.

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  • rohme Says:

    Murder everyone who doesn’t look like you on the planet and everything will be alright. – Collen

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Is that you artx?

    Rohme you can scream raciss nazi all you want i dont care no one who matters anymore cares, that games over.

    The facts are we are all in competition, its to the death rohme whether you want to think about it or not funny how you can get with face tentacles but the rest of evolutions implications give you the ickies. only a complete fool cant see the other races want us out of the picture and cant believe thei luck in having guys like you to help them and jews to lead them.Im simply saying lets stop pretending and let the games begin. and when you run the thing in your head to its end you understand it doesnt end until one race rules and that should be us. now your ilk has had your 100 years of trying to turn niggers into men, we are done with that larp, we are done waiting for jews to stop acting like jews and acting like whites, as you like to point out theres singularity approaching of kinds we cant predict but its a good guess first team to get it wins everything forever. And you want to continue larping utter faggotry because some jew god told you to play nice FUCK THE KIKE CHRIST FUCK YOUR NATURAL LW YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT YOIUR FAIR PLAY AND ALL OF IT I WANT MORE LIFE FUCKER> AND PRECISELY BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR ILKS BRILLIANT IDEAS THAT MEANS I HAVE TO PROBABLY KILL EVERY FUCKER THAT DOESNT LOOK LIKE ME> NOW I ACTUALLY FEEL A BIT BAD AND HAVE SUGGESTED GAME PRESERVES FOR SOME SPECIMENS> BUT I WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO KILL A LOT OF WHITE FAGGOTS TOO AND THAT I DONT FEEL AT ALL BAD ABOUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND WAYS TO KILL THEM SLOW AND PAINFULLY FOREVER

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    rohme Reply:

    We shall see, won’t we?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    @collen ryan

    dont let the commie jew gaslight you wag hes knows hes a jew hes just been pretending all along.

    @ rohme

    we can already see trump is merely john the baptist he has laid the axe against the tree he prepares the way for the one that’s already coming I know you know this is true its why you are here on this blog trying to sway the inevitable. asholes like you dont bother with guys like me unless youre scared

    Wagner Reply:

    https://twitter.com/pnehlen

    This guy is the next “uncivil, politically incorrect belligerent” down the line following the Trumpian tradition of realtalk. I doubt he’ll win but his example will supply someone the gusto that will. This process really is inevitable. The West has a history of sniffing bullshit and flushing it down the toilet. That’s why they’re trying to make us all into mulattos, because they know whites have a keen sense for truth-seeking. They want to get rid of that.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    Is there really nothing between rohme and richard spencer? I sthe entire fucking world just idiot savants and savant idiots

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    Wagner Reply:

    The entire world is idiots if you ask me. You say you’re a hyperlogical person, how do you square that with democracy? You know that the bulk of humanity isn’t hyperlogical, but you seem to presuppose that the whites that constitute the ethnostate would be hyperlogical. You’re smarter than me in certain respects, I’m really nothing to write home about, yet I look back on debates I’ve had and it’s almost entirely consistent that I’ve cornered the poor sap logically and made them give up the grapes or storm away huffing and puffing, I can only imagine you’ve done this to a higher degree – how in the non-millennial literal FUCK do you square that with democracy?

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    well i keep explaining but no one including you here’s me.

    !. Because as the cathedral proves democracy is just a brilliant sham. its a sham because they or whoever controls the cathedral can make them vote for whatever they want or failing that make end runs around a vote gone bad. Brilliant because it implicates the citizens in whatever it is they might object to they voted for it. and because it diffused responsibility not just to the electorate, but to the entire cathedral, so there’s simply too many heads to cut off, the media a the judges the professors so you resign yourself.
    2. It does have a safety valve technically if things get bad enough you can theoretically elect a trump form a third party etc this is good to have as an option before revolution war.
    3. The vast majority of average whites range from no opinion to decent instincts.Im sorry wag Im older than you and moldbug probably put together, i watched the leftism from the 60s onward, it wasn’t voted in. the voters consistently voted against it every scrap of it.Now granted as the elites ideas became ever more repugnant and continued to fail they brought in what 40% non whites now as well as women and faggots and teenagers to get the vote, yet not they still can barely manage 50%. So i disagree that average whites are so stupid its niggers women faggots and elites who should not be allowed to vote.
    4. i simply dont think HBD allows white nations not in war or upheaval to sustain non democracy. I think its clear whites and only whites have a long history with democracy as one of our unique traits. that said there’s a lot of forms of democracy, and my choice would certainly not be this universal one.
    5. I actually think we are really on the event horizon of existential threat and or some sort of singularity in this century. therefore i dont think we can risk our one shot on yet another experiment. democracy is already in place whatever has to happen to change the direction will be shocking enough without declaring monarchy or something. there might be a few european nations that could get away with it.
    6. its probably worth noting the new world order is pretty contemptuous of the peoples will so giving them what they want seems imprudent.
    7. there’s a sort of exit that’s kind of possible local rights states rights are technically almost absolute if not for jew judges, states that tend to push that like texas seem to do well with little and make the others look bad. this can be done more granularly at county and city levels, it is to some extent allowed and does work well. these things work with our democratic system. I do not think democracy is good for other races, but i dont give a fuck about them except as adversaries.

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    8. and i don’t think the day to day operations of a monarchy would really be any different, the chinese are not as different as we imagine and they are not doing as well as land and co want us to think i mean ghost cities seriously. no one person can rule an entire nation. he can’t even hand pick the rulers of the rulers of the rulers. so this aspect of the problem of large modern nations tech will have to solve
    the other problem moldbug thought was crucial is elites the rulers several levels down keep going rouge. as you know i think his idea of simply deeding them their fiefs and serfs absurd. but i agree its a problem.tech might solve it within democracy if information was better and faster. Observe public servants get much better as they get more local, where information is less cluttered so faster and more accurate and understood.culture has been what i have recommended. Im open to suggestions but simply saying kings will chop their heads off is well its not how it was when we had kings elites were still scheming.The founders came up with an adversarial system.

    Wagner Reply:

    Well duh Mike, Moldbug was pozzed, even 2018 Yarvin understands that; thing is, he bequeathed certain thought experiments that will cause leftists to tear their hair out for centuries. Take the example of CRT. There’s no way Rohme is going to answer that without sounding like an absolute liar and hypocrite. Yes Moldbug is a little shitlib, but he’s also very smart, and we can use him to toy with leftists.

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  • collen ryan Says:

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    oh EXACTLY we white men that they never tire of telling us how stupid we are are the only thing they are afraid of and why they are risking it all on wiping us out.

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  • rohme Says:

    I think that Russian roulette really changed you. I think I’ve underestimated the extent that was an event for you, Mike.

    You once said something like you were brought up in a “Terrorist Training Camp” What exactly does that mean?

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    That was an expression a therapist i once saw used to describe my formative years. Its probably too complex to try and express in less than a book. lets just say i had a pretty non normal upbringing that had a lot of very normal veneers I like the hells angels story because it was a sort of tableau of that as the dickensian christmas i could see across the street from the tenement was in fact my parents house and christmas was one of the few things in that house that were normal well normal for 19 century england which was our intended presentation. Just about everything in my life was extreme and countered by another opposite extreme. My parents marriage was whos afraid of virginia woolf but with children and we were sometimes on the cover of magazines dressed in grey flannel socks and white knee socks like english lords i was in fact referred to as master as a child. but they set this up in one of the worst slums in NYC. ahh it goes on and on. here’s one my father has degrees from several universities including georgetown’s foreign service school, One day a tractor trailer gets stuck behind a garbage truck in front of the hells angels clubhouse. and he lays on the horn, Im about ten and am setting rats on fire or something in my grey flannel shorts with mt puerto rican guttersnipe friends down the block when about a dozen hells angels surround this truck driver drag him from his truck and start giving him the boots, they used to kill people all the time back then in the 60s a few months before they had tied a mixed race couple to a bed and soaked it in gas and burned them alive. i ran to tell my father what was happening and he grabbed one of my brothers baseball bats and ran down there and made a dozen hells angels back off. not only would he never have considered the implications to his own safety and demanded the same of us but he continued to walk our dog right past there door for decades afterward rather than walk the other way. Its not so much that particular story but that day in day out i was witness, participant, and victim, of every imaginable horror in and out of my family schools neighborhood etc in the background the 60s and 70s and 80s revolutions were playing out in the lower east side. and while this is common for kids that grow up in these places its not common for them to simultaneously have high IQs and be expected to internalize elizabeth beatons remonstrances for propriety, defend the catholic faith while drunk.. like i said i cant really convey the jarring contrasts of what my life was like easily i went to schools on the upper east side with classmates that were chauffeured in rolls royces where i was the poor kid and inner city public schools where i was the only white and whose father was a “movie star” and whose minority friends offered me rides on their sisters or explained to me other intricacies of surviving on crime.- I ended up with my own substance abuse problems and robust criminal career punctuated by stints in things like realestate the art world a couple of stabs at university travel i just became a member of every conceivable socio economic class simultaneously before washing up in the construction union. yeah watching life at survival levels is an eye opener. watching elites undersides is an eye opener.not really having a perspective to defend is a good place to see clearly but a bad place to live you belong nowhere.yeah i have little patience for theory and principles seeing how fragile they are and easily corrupted, they are fun like a chess or go problem but they’re just games people who haven’t lived much play. I feel like kurtz with all his degrees and training and disciplined principles coming upon the piles of children arms and getting it. I dont think you rome understand way down at the bottom of all your philosophy is a foundation of children arms. you simply dont get the luxury of philosophy untill you have built that foundation and it needs to be replenished because they always come back and you have to kill them all over again. to recognize this just is recognizing yourself. maybe not not everyone is a survivor some will look at the pile and see themselves in it and want to deny its necessity.I see it as the foundation i am building its mostly made of hells angels and apes that had to be cleared to make space for what i am going to build, make space for me and my will. and i dont underestimate them they are good killers evil geniuses really some of them as kurtz realizes. and you can be sure they will be back the second they sense weakness, and they take kindness for weakness always its actually one of their sayings. you doubt this yet look we have little 4 foot tall 80 IQ salvadorian tweenagers literally piling up arms in america now. You ask wag to cite please are you kidding rohme we may not get out of this alive its so out of control. the only way out is to go full nazi because first we have to remove the likes of you from power before we can deploy our soldiers to start making piles of arms of our own.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “some will look at the pile and see themselves in it and want to deny its necessity.I see it as the foundation i am building”

    Sometimes I feel bad for camping here because it is a squandering of IQ in a sense, there were a handful of really smart guys who posted here, but then I read that and think it’s all worth it.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “some will look at the pile and see themselves in it and want to deny its necessity.I see it as the foundation i am building”

    Sometimes I feel bad for camping here because it is a squandering of IQ in a sense, there were a handful of really smart guys who posted here, but then I read that and think it’s all worth it.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Hm that posted twice, must be a synchronicity. The only way forward is “some evil shit” indeed.

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    rohme Reply:

    Mike,

    Thank you for sharing that. I understand much better now.

    I visit liveleak sometimes for a view of the outside (one of the privileges of the internet) to get an understanding of the evil that is the outside. Nothing cures liberalism like liveleak. Wagner, forget CRT shit, “what if liveleak were on cable?” is the real hypothesis. Please visit “Prisoner burned with boiling plastic and forced to eat the flesh of a dead body” It is a suffering so cruel, it is beyond comprehension. And here I am, a communist, saying “Go Venezuela!” I deserve a kick in the noggin. I finally get what Land is saying with his “away with socialism” schtick: rule of law, and the institutions which ensure it, and the social dynamics which reinforce it, are so fragile, it can all vanish in the wisp of a second, and the hell, the hell which is so easy for one to inflict on the other, the hell which is other people, is all, when it’s all whisked away, that will replace it.

    I love Western culture and it is my culture. When I see the Yulin festival, I find it intolerable. I don’t go ‘think cultural relativism, do not think about it, just think cultural relativism.’ No! I go, “Motherfuckers!”.

    The way this country is run needs to change. We can all agree on that. What I’d love is Anti-fa and Alt right, BLM and KKK, locked-in-arms, marching together towards the slackened jaws of the elites, screaming, “You can’t sit back and play us against each other, your time is over!” And after we’ve tossed them out, I imagine us all going our separate ways. But, yeah, that’s not going to happen, so I have to ‘pick a side’. But you do not have a way to separate the good from the bad, Collen. You have a way to separate races. Yeah, there may be 4 foot 8 MS13er’s dismembering someone as we speak, but my neighbors are Central Americans and they are the nicest, sweetest, hard-working family-oriented people you are gonna meet. They are your ‘1950s America’ Mike. So you want to convince me to chop up a pile of their arms. I want the Bilderberg-arms! I want the arms that matter! I would never cut off my lovely neighbor’s children’s arms because of your principle. That is a stupid principle. I will move to the coldest place on Earth and live in -20 degree weather before I would ever do that.

    Mike, when you see poor whites you get blame the Jews for their underdevelopment, but when you see poor blacks you don’t in turn blame us? Wagner, you’re mad at rap and basketball, being too low culture for you. One is commercial music, the other is athletic sport. They earn people livings. What do you expect? There would have been Edward Bouchet’s and Benjamin Banneker’s, had we any inclination to cultivate them. But no, what was our paternalism? It was brutalism! And when we finally had enough, it was segregation, and more brutalism! What do you expect? They are a reflection of us, what don’t you see in that? They are the truth of us, our of crushing, stultifying, disgusting society. Standards. What standards? Who cares about learning, except for homebodies and the childless? And I’m not arguing for leftism here or welfarism or any of that stupid shit. I’m just saying what needs to be said.

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    Im going to resist making fun of that and say it simply isnt possible the math has been done. when you and the nrx say guys like me have no plan for the left tail of whites only for non white expulsion we say theres plenty one can do about the white left tail but the only way anything works is the first step must be to restore white nations to ethno states. if you want to confront elites about there crap that is also the first step which is why elites have flooded the vote with non whites supplicants. I know all about the nice central american abuelitas it doesnt change the larger picture or the fact theirs an infinite number of poor non whites that we can do nothing about except stop breeding them

    Wagner Reply:

    “Im going to resist making fun of that”

    Aw man, there goes my morning newspaper.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Im here wasting my time on nrx ( not you ) because moldburg he did what i think was almost impossible reason liberals out of liberalism. ( he has the patience of a saint a happy funny warrior) he also gave an updated hipster iteration of Kuehnelt-Leddihn critique of liberalism. I dont know if hes a double agent for zog or if his followers are simply latching on to some throw away aspects that were designed to flatter and appeal to their hipster faggotry. Moldbug and I agree about formalism I think we just disagree about who actually owns USG. he thinks the the united federation of teachers Harvard etc own it. i think white men own it and at some point will demonstrate this fact. while i think the patchwork is not a serious idea I think its indeed a great idea to really deconstruct power in institutions we outsource management to and see what’s going on and what might be changed. When i say democracy will likely have to be retained in some form,Im very open to thinking about how to reinforce it through the process moldbug uses.Im not even opposed in theory to something new if it can be demonstrated that its compatible with whites dna and is politically expedient and its outcome can be predicted.Patchlordism is just so fucking ridiculous and like what we are trying to fix i start to wonder if hes not a jew entryism wrecking the opposition before it starts the way a lawyer tells a potential divorce to consult with all the best divorce lawyers. or setting up a controlled opposition. Maybe he just got bored or found a workable solution too hard or too not good for the jews.he hasn’t even dealt with what may be the real problem that because our million year of bug patched dna no solution is possible.well no solution that doesn’t involve periodically killing the competition. Even in his description of cameralism hes clear a king cant run a continent, hes clear the king will be subject to laws or it would just be what he calls ultimate dogmatism = totalitarianism hmm think some guys in the gulags might argue that. and hes clear this sov corp will have shareholder owners so the king doesnt really own shit.and it doesnt take much to imagine a corporation the size of USA would be worth way more than the net worth of all the elites by multiple orders of magnitude. so he is either suggesting the citizens of sov corp USA are both customers and shareholders or that he thinks he can simply take the entire nation and give it to some elites because they have some nominal control of certain levers of power now. well that’s not going to happen because those elites do no even own what he thinks they own let alone the rest of the nations value. any attempt to transfer that value to them would result in white men having to step in and demonstrate who actually owns USA.This is going to happen because these elites have indeed been acting as if they own USA and have gone to the point where the cost of changing managers no longer exceeds the cost of not changing managers. It would be interesting to see someone who is still enamored of this USA sov corp idea adapt it to the shares actually being given to everyone who actually owns them, so the idaho farm boy manning the sub protecting bezos container ship gets something. right now he just gets a vote but of course the nigger sitting on his ass watching a welfare bought TV get the same vote. I say rather than trying to quantify the value to bezos passing through to USA corp of the idaho ensign we just take the niggers vote away and that would probably allow the ensigns wage for his actual job and other added values to rise to closer to what its actually worth.you and moldy seem to think hes going to vote himself
    what exactly are military guys and steamfitter famous for voting for? because this sounds a lot like Rhomes argument that jew behavior is motivated by profit no jew interests. all the ensigns and fitters i know want to vote for normalcy work and family..We could try to work a system where your net woth or income or gdp allocates a sliding scale of weighted votes, so musk gets well maybe not hes a welfare queen. But the problem with that is to me its clear capital has been a big problem and it needs to be subjugated without destroying its good qualities so giving corporations the votes doesn’t work too well. I think if niggers and women and the indolent are taken out of the vote capitalist interests will be well represented.

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    rohme Reply:

    “Moldbug and I agree about formalism I think we just disagree about who actually owns USG. he thinks the the united federation of teachers Harvard etc own it. i think white men own it and at some point will demonstrate this fact.”

    Nearly, 80% of the millionaires are white. Nearly 70% percent of the billionaires are white. Yes, if formalism came tomorrow, you’d have your ‘white nationalism’; a propertarian, co-operative trust with the transfer of services of state into private control. The only thing you brought to the table is senseless and brutal killing-fields. A Kurtz-ian pile of arms. Shows a difference in the quality of Engineers. Read Moldbug’s why I’m not a white nationalism over and over. It says white nationalists are stupid. White nationalists are losers. White nationalists are reactive instead of being active.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

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    Ill say this the reason we now have to rebuild a foundation of child arms instead of merely hanging the occasional pirate is rohme and people like him.If not for them people intelligent enough to have known better we would have billions less third worlders outside the gate an none inside needing to be ejected.The humiliations minorities suffer trying to meet the expectations of white civilization models in our nations and their own would not be going on. The suffering of whites in nations is also on them not that that concerns them anymore, women have been miserable for at least decades our left tails is strung out on codeine and nigger music and video games and porn etc, it seems incredible to write this but we seriously discuss robot sex now. But rohme is still dreaming of ok ill take the cheap shot.

    “What I’d love is Anti-fa and Alt right, BLM and KKK, locked-in-arms, marching together towards the slackened jaws of the elites,” singing kumbaya

    “so I have to ‘pick a side’. But you do not have a way to separate the good from the bad, Collen. You have a way to separate races.” he cant believe his lying eyes and brain he admits civilization is fragile, that live leak tell race real truths and so does land, but taking the tiniest of basic steps of simply letting whites have their own countries is not common sense first step toward sorting “good from bad” but nazism. (Its not good or bad rhome its differently evolved.)

    Hes quite smart and educated yet he offers the anecdote of his nice neighbors as argument. (Rhome the only adult i ever loved or trusted as a child was my black Godfather a georgetown classmate of my dad and probably the first black CIA agent though he was an attache to the UN officially, I didnt just notice my hispanic neighbors seemed nice i spent thousands of hours in their welfare homes seeking refuge i know all about their good qualities as well as their bad) I dont think we will have to literally cut off your neighbors arms rhome but kurtz point about the genius was the sheer will to understand to build in a jungle of apes you must be willing to do anything. I know you get this when you think youre building one of your leftist utopias, because you just admitted you’re cheering on the piles of arms chavez has built, so its not the arms that really bother you im sure chavez is not the first murderous commie piling up arms you supported.

    so again we have this brilliant guy just really not making any sense, he says he really loves western civilization, but he acts like he really hates it.
    “Mike, when you see poor whites you get blame the Jews for their underdevelopment, but when you see poor blacks you don’t in turn blame us?”

    I have tried to convey that i grew up in a very jewy atmosphere, let me get a bit more explicit, ever read mau mauing the flak catchers? well my brothers and i were literally running around that penthouse that night at the Bernsteins, with a lot of other kids including panther kids. Thats how close i have witnessed the jews plotting. obviously i was there as an insider i wasn’t raised to hate jews, just the opposite. we hosted seders, Its just that i watched the entire thing unfold i spent my childhood at liberal cocktail parties bargaining for olives and cigarette puffs with the pizza gate crowd of its day. and listening to unguarded liberal jews and gentile talk about what they had been involved in going back to the 30s, and only decades later in retrospect did i have to reluctantly admit not only were the jews the ringleaders there was a very clear difference between jew leftism and good white leftism. The jews were essentially wreckers and the whites builders. Oh Im sure the jews from their own perspective were building up the jews civilization, but from the perspective of someone who actually acts like he loves western civilization i saw jews had no regard for its fragility in fact seemed to revel in their clever destruction of it and their contempt for those who upheld it.

    No rohme i don’t in turn blame whites for “poor blacks” blacks are living WAY beyond their contribution worth because of whites basic goodness, not that its our concern but blacks lived better under jim crow before jews radicalized blacks. left tail whites have since jew mischief fallen WAY below their potential contribution worth often WAY beyond their actual contributions. Most of the redistribution (of all types of currency) to blacks has come not from elite pockets but from prole whites.

    “it was segregation, and more brutalism! What do you expect? They are a reflection of us, what don’t you see in that? They are the truth of us, our of crushing, stultifying, disgusting society. Standards. What standards? Who cares about learning, except for homebodies and the childless? And I’m not arguing for leftism here or welfarism or any of that stupid shit. I’m just saying what needs to be said.”
    no doubt this is an example of your “love of western civilization? rohme you hate us you hate our culture, stop lying commie.

    Wag I want you to see this is why i cant be bothered to even give these thugs capitals and commas or treat them with respect or even bother with a good argument, because i have been through this for so many decades i know behind their tortured intellectualesque deconstruct speak its pure evil bullshit garbage thinking and not worth the sweat off my balls.Did you see how he spent years on here fronting his reasoned skepticism and how easy it is to expose the reality beneath. Fucking kumbaya and his nannys family jeez.They don’t deserve argument they just need a bullet through the head, not ceremoniously just line them up like they did millions of us in front of a ditch a split second each. Its one thing when some 115 IQ sjw is too stupid to understand the math and reason and falls for evil bastards like rohmes propaganda but rohmes got no excuse the jews have no excuse they know better they just hate us. God knows why they wouldn’t even have the words and frame within which to front that garbage if not for us. It the mystery of the age what is wrong with these people.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I just met a high school guy online who’s enthused that more of Evola is being translated, he says he’s seven feet tall, literally seven feet tall. Doesn’t this picture just make you giddy with delight?

    https://imgur.com/a/E0I3Y

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    Wagner Reply:

    I come across lots of white kids on the internet that find Artxell and Rohme’s brand of babble laughable, I think the shit is going to hit the fan in America a lot sooner than anyone expects. In Soviet America, deconstruction is deconstructed. It’s exactly like how kids grow up and realize the teachings of their church are a load of bullshit – the kikes severely underestimated the white man’s basic, unpurgeable creative instinct and ability to find his way out of any labyrinth. Whites got to the moon, you think they’re going to fall for all the gobbledygook these two continuously spout and call it sound reasoning. Nope, we white boys like to laugh at bullshitters, that’s one of our favorite pastimes. Jig’s up

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    Wagner Reply:

    Like I’ve said before Mike, us posting here kinda neglects the wisdom that we shouldn’t tell an enemy when he’s making a mistake. But I really think their heads are so far up their asses and they’re so deep in the hole at this point there’s nothing they can do to prevent what’s coming to them, save marching in long lines down the streets flagellating themselves on their backs and weeping apologies. Just look at this:

    http://static.adweek.com/adweek.com-prod/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/new-york-times-truth-hed-2017.jpg

    Do they honestly believe this is going to help them? This just makes people laugh!

    colleen ryan Reply:

    That kids looks and is probably a serb or croat lot of them are steamfitters and Im AT 6-3( less age shrinkage) always shorter than the bastards, they say they are not smart people but i have not noticed that at all, but ill tell you what they are woke motherfuckers and fearless.in the 90s they used to come over and make enough to go back and kill some muslims and have their cousins use their union book, not the least corruptible people.

    yeah i think the left mistook kindness for weakness, whites are really civilized and have been lied to about how much it all costs and how much they have spent. and of course this was a big continent so we were convinced we could move farther. another thing i noticed was being from a big city you always had a lot of immigrants so as they flooded in it wasn’t noticeable to city people, and until the end the immigrants didnt make it way out to the boondocks, i think a lot of people thought they were just unlucky they were showing up in their suburb until we woke up and realized we were riddled. trumps economic successes are not good for keeping the heat on if he cucks on immigration as it seems he is about to do. though jim of course still thinks hes playing 4d chess.
    yes your generation is not fooled by the religion even my lefty 22 year old daughter says things like ”why because im black” when asked to clean up or something. they have doublethink they know its bullshit but a social apes so want to be agreeable.

    part of the problem with rohmes babble is while its nonsensical ultimately you need enough IQ to think youre following along but missing just a wittle bit which you don’t want to admit. but they also went with a dumbing down and media mind meld so most of these kids even bright ones are add and illiterate so cant really get into the babble, the apes and really really stupid ones just mime it as they would normally have but the brighter one just clap and smile and wonder if its all bullshit. The left is beyond parodying really I mean you do it and then they top it for real. sometimes i think all the millennials would have to do is read 1984 and brave new world and it would end because its like they have tried to copy it.

    rohme Reply:

    give me one concrete example of something i’ve said that you find is ‘babble’

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Enjoying the delightful giddiness of your 7 foot guy fetish, Waggy, lol?!

    Deconstruction is not some ‘thing’ that can be deconstructed, Waggy. Neither is it some kind of relativism, whether ‘subjective’ or otherwise. All of those qualifying descriptors are themselves contingent. You can’t really ‘brand’ deconstruction in those positivist ways. Such are merely comfortable hallucinations that the culture of the USA dresses deconstruction up in, clothing it with the dumbed down costumery of conventional closures.

    If poorly articulated, regurgitation of cliches, and stupidly wallowing in the narrow confines of that self-sustaining emetic economy, constitutes any kind of “creative instinct”, it would indeed only be the lunacy of marketing fundamentalist dogma as adventurous innovation.

    Afro-Americans actually got to the moon first Waggy. The achievement was covered up by white America.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Afro-Americans actually got to the moon first Waggy. The achievement was covered up by white America.

    This link works.

    Wagner Reply:

    I notice you often level the slur “positivist”- why don’t you deconstruct that?

    colleen ryan Reply:

    thats amazing too bad you indian negroe guys swam away from new guinea and lost out on ethnic the credit

    colleen ryan Reply:

    sure you can deconstruct deconstruction Jordan Peterson does a damn fine job of making you all look like idiots, in fact an excellent example is him recently onyour channel 4 making an absolute fool out of some dizzy cunt whos trying to run a deconstruct game on him and making a fool of herself

    Wagner Reply:

    “making a fool of herself”

    That’s one advantage Artxell and Rohme have- in real life these types are a lot easier to corner and make pause all befuddled, blushing, stuttering, red herring segueing, etc. What they say is such pure bullshit that all it takes is the ACTION of asking simple questions and they go into panic mode. Some are slick talkers but if you’re tenacious (an asshole, really, by the secularchristianwest’s standards) it’s really easy to humiliate them. You still can get fired/ostracized for taking this action but the restrictions are loosening. They have to force you to not take such action because they know that if you did the whole equalist worldview would collapse in a second (which is what is currently being undergone as we speak due to the internet).

    Funny you mention 1984 and Brave New World, I was just thinking this morning of mentioning to you that it’s a mark of the Synagogue’s general ignorance that they expected kids to read those books in high school as canon and not turn the guns derived therein back on ’em. This is what I’m getting at RE: an army of shamanic scholars: there’s plenty of ammunition in books that Cathedral deems kosher to really mess with their heads from the inside. They’re going to instantly dismiss Evola as shit like Rohme did a couple months ago but if you use their pet writers against them they have no defense mechanism to neutralize depozzification.

    Wagner Reply:

    1984 has become some popular today it’s cliche but it still stands out as one of the most tragic books I’ve ever read (and I say this as someone who’s read every last ancient greek tragedy). Being broken in the end! That really affected me as a teen, and now that I think about it, maybe that’s part of what motivates me today to continuously lampoon totalitarians via anon rather than sell out and enlist in the academia priesthood like I otherwise might have. Yup, 1984, great book.

    P. S.

    “Suppose that Hitler’s programme could be put into effect. What he envisages, a hundred years hence, is a continuous state of 250 million Germans with plenty of “living room” (i.e. stretching to Afghanistan or thereabouts), a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder. How was it that he was able to put this monstrous vision across? It is easy to say that at one stage of his career he was financed by the heavy industrialists, who saw in him the man who would smash the Socialists and Communists. They would not have backed him, however, if he had not talked a great movement into existence already. Again, the situation in Germany, with its seven million unemployed, was obviously favourable for demagogues. But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches …. The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. One feels it again when one sees his photographs-and I recommend especially the photograph at the beginning of Hurst and Blackett’s edition, which shows Hitler in his early Brownshirt days. It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon. One feels, as with Napoleon, that he is fighting against destiny, that he can’t win, and yet that he somehow deserves to. The attraction of such a pose is of course enormous; half the films that one sees turn upon some such theme.
    Also he has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain.”

    George Orwell, review of Mein Kampf

    “The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about [Hitler].” – George Orwell

    DANGEROUS

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    My use of the word ‘positivist’ refers to a structure of considerations that has arisen over recent years. The usage is not quite the same as in prior traditions, but it does not necessarily neglect those traditions. It has arisen quite naturally, intuitively even. It does the job, that I want to get done, effectively.
    Yes, I could easily ‘deconstruct’ it, but in order to do that, logically and coherently, and with genuine contextual respect, more developed considerations would be required, exceeding the intellectual parameters and habits of contemporary intellectual cultures. It would be redundant to write it, given the difficulties you all encountered with ‘exit’ logic.

    Watched Jordan Peterson video the other day. He doesn’t really know what he’s talking about. It’s typical lowbrow, American intellectualism of the 21st century. As Derrida said, America ‘is’ deconstruction, but it’s too simplistic to actually ‘think’ through deconstruction, far too ‘positivist’.

    Wagner Reply:

    Positivist, sounds like a, what are they called, divine signifier, only in reverse. Congratulations, you’re a hypocrite. Your ‘negativism’ sounds ‘contingent’ and ‘structured’ to me, little guy.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Positivist, in the pejorative sense, describes not this or that position or its negation, but rather the simplistic and inadequate handling of all or any of these elements. E.g., I didn’t promote or mention any ‘negativism’, yet you instantly jump to the most simplistic interpretation – binary opposition – as your assumed closure, with no textual evidence supporting that assumption.
    And then, you call me a hypocrite, based only on the import of your own moral hallucination, again, unsupported by my text, which didn’t bring in morality, at all.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Simplistic”, “inadequate”- these sound like positivist constructs if you ask me.

    If you are opposed to simplistic and inadequate handlings, and you label such “positivist”, it follows that you are a negativist. If you are not a negativist it means you support simplistic and inadequate handlings.

    So, it then follows that either you reject binary oppositions OR you support simplistic and inadequate handlings.

    I’d say that it consistently seems like you read Aristotle’s Rhetoric and not his Logic, but the truth is you’ve probably read neither- only your frenchjew masters’ interpretations of them, if anything.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Positivist, would refer to ‘simplistic and inadequate handlings’, of all elements, generally, in a logico-theoretical field, both posits and their negations. To theorise effectively over the logico-theoretical field precludes adherence or commitment to any one position – the theoretical extrapolation of a posit -be that position conventionally characterised as ‘positive’ or ‘negative’, e.g., a substantialist metaphysics or a nihilism. So in terms of subscribing to a doctrine, neither positivism nor negativism are options, but rather available perspectives for consideration. I’m not a positivist, nor a ‘negativist’, in this theoretical sense.

    It’s correct to say that my notion of the positivist is contingent and structured. Obviously, it is contingent on what it describes, namely, ‘simplistic and inadequate handlings’, or (SAIH). Neither promotion nor opposition of (SAIH) was suggested. My positing of ‘simplistic and inadequate handlings’, or (SAIH), is just an observation occasioned by the evidence presented. I’m not offering it as some kind of metaphysical absolute.
    But it’s important to note, that you’re confusing different types of ‘negativism’; the logico-theoretical or doctrinal or philosophical, to do with that which is being considered; with the dialogical, to do with the dialogical positions doing the considering. You’ve done the typical American thing, reifying ad hominem structure itself as the conceptual matter to justify your attribution of ‘negativism’.
    I could say, yes, I’m against stupidity, (SAIH), so perhaps mildly negative in that sense. But, equally, one could do a theologia negativa, promoting hyper-ignorance, simply because, there really isn’t anything, to know, posit, or negate.

    Waggy, to you, everything is going to ‘sound like’ an echo of your perpetual misunderstanding; an eternally phony self-recognition.

    *Transcendental signified, was the phrase you were looking for.

    rohme Reply:

    “The humiliations minorities suffer trying to meet the expectations of white civilization models in our nations and their own would not be going on.”

    Not to mention the humiliations you have suffered, or the poor Hells Angels have suffered, for that matter.

    “The suffering of whites in nations is also on them not that that concerns them anymore”

    It displeases me, I’m very tuned-in to their victim status.

    “that live leak tell race real truths”

    I’ll do like Wagner and ask the idiot’s question. Both my sweet neighbors and the MS13 killers come from the same place. How do you square that? One got the good genes and the other one didn’t? 🙂

    “but taking the tiniest of basic steps of simply letting whites have their own countries is not common sense first step toward sorting “good from bad” but nazism. (Its not good or bad rhome its differently evolved.)”

    Don’t obfuscate. I don’t oppose the “tiniest of basic steps to letting whites have their own countries”, I oppose Naziism.

    (I know you get this when you think youre building one of your leftist utopias, because you just admitted you’re cheering on the piles of arms chavez has built)

    No, I’m not cheering, I’ve admitted to an error. Land’s argument is Hayekian in that it is not socialism’s good intentions which are the problem, but its methods, which fail to end in anything but hellish miseries.

    “so again we have this brilliant guy just really not making any sense, he says he really loves western civilization, but he acts like he really hates it.”

    What’s Western civilization? Need your definition so that I can determine if I hate it.

    “there was a very clear difference between jew leftism and good white leftism.”

    What’s good white leftism? Give me an example.

    “not that its our concern but blacks lived better under jim crow before jews radicalized blacks.”

    Yeah, they were living great in Tulsa before a mob burned their town to ashes.

    “left tail whites have since jew mischief fallen WAY below their potential contribution worth often WAY beyond their actual contributions.”

    Obfuscation. Their contribution is equal to the social investment (parents, family, community) put in them. Prole whites = underdevelopment, prole blacks = underdevelopment.

    “Most of the redistribution (of all types of currency) to blacks has come not from elite pockets but from prole whites.”

    I know that. And if you’re in the black middle class you don’t get exempted from redistributionism. Those black taxpayers taxes are go towards feeding the mouths of white proles. How do you feel about that?

    “no doubt this is an example of your “love of western civilization? rohme you hate us you hate our culture, stop lying commie.”

    When I say “crushing, stultifying, disgusting society” I’m not talking about whites, I’m talking about everything under capitalism being given value under the general equivalent, money. I’m talking about the de-sacralization of society. I’m talking about a social, or rather, anti-social, process.

    “Wag I want you to see this is why i cant be bothered to even give these thugs capitals and commas or treat them with respect or even bother with a good argument, because i have been through this for so many decades i know behind their tortured intellectualesque deconstruct speak its pure evil bullshit garbage thinking and not worth the sweat off my balls.”

    I know conversing might feel like giving birth or trying to squeeze out a shit. Maybe I’m setting myself up for two firing squads or even three, but I actually think dialogue between extremes is not worthless. You can take higher ground and call me stoopid. That doesn’t embarrass me. I’m not scared too lose a debate either, I’m scared to not have one. I think losing debates are inherently good. The truth will come out. What do they say, the truth hurts? Yes, it does. People enjoy all kinds of pain – inflicting and receiving – but not so much this one. What we need is a sado-masochism of the truth.

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    rohme Reply:

    is inherently good* like ‘i think bad grammar is inherently bad’

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    rohme Reply:

    Artxell,

    If you could, give an example or Jordan Peterson not knowing what he’s talking about. I’d love to hear one.

    Wagner Reply:

    You don’t want the truth Rohme. If you wanted the truth you’d want to hear me say that the time you shared a video of yourself playing the piano it looked like a chimpanzee was playing it.

    You don’t want psychological truth Rohme. If you wanted that you’d want to hear me say that all of your subterfuge here is a distraction from that brute fact, that you look like a chimpanzee.

    Enjoy that daily mirror.

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    rohme Im not going to go through your rebuttal points now that we know your not really umberto eco or Taleb its just fucking pointless, those are the same tired tropes we have heard for 50 years if you honestly still need a conversation there’s a host of much better writers smarter guys than me who have already written your answers and with citations on blogs many are linked to your left. we all once wanted what you want rohme but as i used to say to my daughter when a toddler ‘that’s not one of your choices’ you can have haiti or western civilization. western civilization is not a result of principles that you apply to whoever the principles are a result of whites. how do i explain the ms13 and the sweet little abuelito next door? well rohme its called the bell curve over which traits are distributed in a given population, and then there’s the average and mean reversion. As i said to artx it must really suck to be a nigger on the far right nigger curve, i get it but sorry niggers on the far right nigger tail have grandniglets the revert to the mean and even smart niggers are still violent niggers promiscuous niggers nigger with low future time orientation and a 100 other things. we all know niggers we like, we tend to be in contact with not random but selected niggers nevertheless the average nigger behavior is simply intolerable for our nation to continue to pu up with. maybe before you decided to double the nigger population because after the nigger riots in the 60s that just made so much sense and then throw 100 million spics into the mix and lets get some sandniggers and towel heads cause theyre also such fucking sucesses. so here we are and they got to go and it may cause a lot of misery but thats your fault for being so stupid.what the fuck did you think would happen?

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    Wagner Reply:

    ““so again we have this brilliant guy just really not making any sense, he says he really loves western civilization, but he acts like he really hates it.”

    What’s Western civilization? Need your definition so that I can determine if I hate it.”

    Someone who hates it out of ressentiment for looking like a chimpanzee asks this question. A chimpanzee-looker chimps out excuses to make those better than him feel bad for him. That is the essence of your psychological case Rohme.

    Blonde haired blue eyed men make you feel like a turd squeezed out of a monkey’s ass, that is where you get your animus. You hate that there are people better than you. You hate that your ancestors were lazy, that’s the central point from what I can tell. Niggers like Artxell and Rohme are trying to exploit whitechristian pity to make us forget that their ancestors were LAZY, that’s the main thing, you leftists are completely embarrassed that many portions of the global population have no work-ethic. All they care about is eating and fucking, this is the fact you seek to disguise. This is why me and Mike are forced to use the word “nigger” – we otherwise wouldn’t but your suppression of this fact has driven us to this utterance. You niggers are lazy. Lazy, worthless, might as well be either enslaved or gulagged. It’s only inevitable that we would CALL YOU WHAT YOU ARE.

    rohme Reply:

    What’s Western civilization? I’d like a straight-forward response and not a deflection, please.

    I don’t have animus when I see blonde-haired, blue-eyed men. It is you that need to believe that I do. The fact that you need some blonde-haired, blue-eyed idol is ressentimental in the sense that you now have a fixation with an IMAGE which makes you FEEL powerful.

    “You hate that there are people better than you.”

    No. I don’t.

    “Niggers like Artxell and Rohme are trying to exploit whitechristian pity to make us forget that their ancestors were LAZY, that’s the main thing, you leftists are completely embarrassed that many portions of the global population have no work-ethic. All they care about is eating and fucking, this is the fact you seek to disguise.”

    From what I can make out, you have no work ethic. And you live with your parents. You used to fuck but now you don’t because you’re depressed. Maybe you’ve spun that into an edgy social statement or maybe you’ve spun it into a mystical thing where ‘thou shall have no sex’ is for encouraging self-development (how’s that going?) But the truth of the matter is you can’t get the high quality ones that you want to fuck. Haha. Just saying that out loud brings me so much joy. At least that means you’ll end up following your own form of eugenics and I won’t be able to call you a hypocrite. 🙂

    Wagner Reply:

    No Rohme you’re just a nigger, enjoy the mirror.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryan

    positivist means empirical just another commie way of saying everything’s relative, but everything’s not relative only morality and so we agree all is permitted ,my morality says kill all the niggers and jews , your morality- i dont give a shit about what your morality says.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Good point, I don’t know why I didn’t think of that- maybe because he’s repeated the word so many times in “his sense” that I’ve forgotten it means “rigorously materialist and scientific”.

    Your philosophy isn’t going to sell among whites though Mike unless shit gets really, really, really bad (it’s only really, really bad now). It’s better to go with: “it’s immoral that prime specimens are lowered down to make the unfortunately lazy and inept peoples feel better about themselves.”

    That is what Leftism is about when deconcealed out of esotericism ya know, that many whites and Jews feel bad that the majority of the global population will feel like garbage when they look in the mirror and see a monkey after they know the truth.

    Funny thought I had the other day, I bet you’d find it funny too:

    How many muds and feminists will commit suicide when the truth IS revealed? I’m guessing quite a few, it’s probably tough to live with the burden that you’re worthless and others have to support you or let you die.

    Estrogenic Rohme piping in: “No no no we’re all equal, don’t listen to this evil man, my poor babies.”

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    No my philosophy isnt going to sell until they are almost dead then its no longer a matter of selling but surviving. if we simply stop the most egregious excesses it will just start up again. we cant simply say stop the immigration because they bred like rabbits and the jew wont stop inciting them already they are so bold as to call for our extinction in our own countries to taunt us with it. so you’re right the odds are slim we go from trump to ethnostate. but we have a responsibility to give a trump a try to give orderly deportation a try. and when it fails and the collapse continues eventually when it may be too late whites will understand its civil war or extinction. there are so many niggers in the us now they flee each other and crowd into white areas and make problems where there never were and no almost no where for whites to flee.this will heat things up but the trump economy cools things down.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryan

    western civilization is the co evolved software western people run their hardware on. so you blank slaters are not even half right. its all nature, our culture is both a product of our nature designed to support it and a selection pressure that reinforces it. no one else could have developed it and no one else can run effectively on it.This is not only why niggers are a hopeless case and its cruel to impose it on them but why commies like you and Land cant simply invent some utopian culture and try to reboot our culture. You know as well as i do describing it would take a few libraries.The point i made and wag rubbed in your face is you want us white people dead or possibly leveled into the muck for some reason we cant fathom a bug in our software makes you think what whites have accomplished is somehow unjust, or that all people owe all other people an equal share of what they have. white commies differ in that they usually only want to inadvertently kill us my taking our resources and undermining our culture but usually naively think they can do this without killing us and west civ. while niggers and jews are not whites its not their culture and they dont give a shit about either so they are rightly interested in only their own interests. so you see rapp music as joyce the nigger and the jew see it for what it really is inciti8ng niggers to violence and crime to destroy the state and poison the minds of white youth.white commies think they are only piling one more nigger nigger on our backs and we can handle it. they very bad at math. jews are incredibly vicious about their hatred for us. one of the things i did was to go to jewish publications and read how they talk among themselves its quite eye opening you might as well be reading al qaeda.if you new minorities as well as you think you would know they also consider themselves at war with us. the hispanics think america belongs to them and we stole it. and the niggers think they are the ones who built it into what it is today.and what they think of good whites is that you’re fools.Ironically most of what you value most in west civ is what is least transferable and what you most accuse whites of not having. high female status for instance is unique to whites among the races. its impossible to transfer and yet you never shut the fuck up about the white patriarchy. This is why you’re a fucking moron rohme because shit that is so fucking plain you can not see.we are open which served us well until assholes like yourself teamed with the jews to exploit this great white trait and turn it into a mortal wound. absorbing and evaluating ideas wasn’t enough you had to open the gates to the barbarians and teach our children their mud huts were as great as our gothic cathedral, that maya angelou is a great writer that zulu tribal rhythms are just like bach.They’re not they are interesting but inferior.way inferior their mud huts and drums and a talented tenth whining about her poor negro existence. you have spent 100 years squandering a quadrillion dollars and untold effort on swine when we could be gods by now.You actually shut down the space program 50 years ago to pay for nigger welfare. you turned our entire civil service into make work for 85 IQ niggers and scheming jews.our museums are filled with filth,as are all our media. your answer to low IQ niggers was to destroy the education systems to dumb down whites.Universities are an element of western civilization that date to greece at least. what have you made them rohme? Tell us rohme are the universities in the state they are because the jews wrecked them or because you so loved them you wrecked them?Shall we go back and see how it began? was the beginning when the jews were admitted? did they introduce “theory” what was the effect of “theory” rohme was it used to discredit all that was non jew? was it used to eventually bring in niggers and wrest the control of the university from old white men?and where is it now rohme this pillar , nay dome of western civilization? it teaches what now rohme? Ill tell you what universities do now they specialize in sexual perversions of unimaginable deviance.nigger resentment theory?anti capitalism theory?snowflake reinforcement.
    Law western civilization is known for Law what have you done to law rohme, did you do that out of love or did you simply not notice te jews wrecking it on purpose? ever read the old testament rohme you know that jew book all about teasing justice out of difficult situations, They know perfectly well what justice looks like when its being applied to them. Never noticed any redistributionist justice in the old testament. Never noticed contempt for authority, culture wrecking, other worship in the old testament.
    Art rohme ART western civilization is know well it was to have produced by far the greatest art ever known to the world. what’s happened to our architecture sculpture painting literature theatre cinema music dance? Am i really crazy to say you commies turned it all into commie propaganda every scrap of it retconned into either schlocky propaganda or simply wrecked for spite or africanized or faggotized. Was that an act of love rohme. There is one form of white art making a comeback long form drama on television shows like sopranos breaking bad weeds and 100 others all feature psychopath whites fed up and taking back what’s theirs by any means necessary, I call it white rage genre. Its very popular which i think tells us whats beneath the surface.
    Democracy rohme we are the only race that has it and always has had it, it was a clever evolutionary esque solution to the a good king is hard to find and war is costly problem, thing is it requires a civilized people.and its always supposed to have been not mob rule, but a republic of natural aristocrats elected to lead not follow. what mischief did you and the jews get up to with democracy rohme that people now want to abolish it and go back to kings.di you give niggers the power to vote for free shit and civil servents the power to fire their bosses, women the power to seize control of their families and eventually eschew family, are fucking niggers in the third world declaring the right to come here and collect welfare because some commie jew wrote a commie poem a 100 years ago and put it on a commie statue sent to us by the people who guillotined half their nation in the name of egalitaire?as wag and nrx rightly points out the 40% of non whites and the 50% of white women have no business voting they don’t understand shit its not their shit to vote on additionally there’s a certain percentage of white men who are indolent or some way subversive between them they all amount to 75% of the voters are really just stealing and wrecking and nothing sensible can be accomplished we are collapsing from this we now have a QUADRILLION DOLLARS in credit default swaps; an amplified result of the 40 trillion ( in the USA alone) in quantitative easing through money printing and negative yielding bonds, Europe and east asia are worse but a lot of jew bankers have done well on this.additionally we runa trillion a year deficit and have 20 trillion in debt in the US alone again europe and east asia is worse. also we have 120 trillion in unfunded liabilities. this all adds up to a multiple of the value of everything in the world. yeah every skyscraper to tool shed and acre of land ounce of gold stock or bond factory or commodity in or out of the ground, you have spent on NIGGERS.It a house of cards that going to come down some day unless they can complete their new world order and prevent defection in which case it will still come down but you just wont have anywhere to hide so you can starve in place.no rohme the commies did this not the capitalist you end ran around them through your nigger rigged elections to redistribute money that didn’t exist so you could keep the whites from objecting and the jew bankers arranged it took a commision and laughed about the looting of the goy. So capitalism is another feature of western civilization you destroyed rohme why would you do that if you loved it loved your people?
    Our people west civilization is made up of a diverse diapora of european people that vary quite a bit in cultural granularity but the early iterations of leftism started by using the less advanced euros with a heavy dose of jews posing as euros to deconstruct the more advanced breeds. not only did this serve to undermine the current spear head of west civ it wrecked both micro cultures and set them against each other which you leftists and jews egged on. you also do shit like incite support and instigate muslims who have invaded europe jews who have invaded europe and lets not even get started on the past 50 years of intensive non white invasions of white nations by nigger orchestrated by leftists and jews purposely to destroy the whites and their nations. the other form of biological warfare you have waged on “white bodies” id feminism, and childism. you have emasculated white men and seized their legal control of their families to the state upsetting the natural order and wrecking the population replacement and raising of healthy children.

    i could go on but simply asking what do we mean shows your a fucking commie liar that needs to be sent to siberia for a few years of suffering then be shot.
    why don’t you tell us rohme what it is you like about west civ.

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    Wagner Reply:

    The medical term is Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD). The Synagogue works endlessly to prevent that from spreading among the muds- that may be its central goal. If Equalism were to be smashed in the public consciousness plain old Dysphoria would result, more threateningly, but most of the muds are too stupid to look past the surface so they’d probably be crippled more by BDD. The smarter ones would come to hate their very souls, and like I said, there would probably be a high suicide rate. I imagine them learning certain things about HBD and dreading shaving because they have to look at their own ape faces in the mirror for 15 minutes straight, it would be like torture. Plus they’d have blades in their hands by their throats, I’m sure suicidal ideation would crop up. This really is the chief thing behind POZ, I’m surprised not more talk about it on the emerging right. If I had to guess it’s because even realtalker whites still feel too bad for these monkeypeople to allow the truth out into clear daylight. Well here it is.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryan

    happy holocaust remembrance day guys. time flies seems like only yesterday we were remembering the holocaust

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    Wagner Reply:

    We remember it alright, remember it for reasons that are either virtually or literally illegal in many countries.

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    Looks like we de loused this blog

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    Wagner Reply:

    They’re lower than lice.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=white+couple&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju2sSbsPvYAhUDq1MKHUk2AP0Q_AUICigB&biw=1217&bih=635

    Now google image “black couple”.

    “There’s no conspiracy!!!”

    If you look like an ape of course you’re going to support Ape-Planetization, all the while denying such a thing is occurring. Rohme and Artxell: niggers. This is the rectification of names.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Explanation: the notion of a ‘white couple’ does not require pointing out due to its being a default assumption. People do not generally get referred to as a ‘white couple’. The specification of ‘white’ is generally unnecessary in white majority countries.
    But people do get referred to as ‘mixed couples’; when a couple is ‘mixed’, the mixture is most usually between ‘black’ and ‘white’. Thus, when mixing the variable, ‘couple’, with the qualifying variable, ‘white’, this is more likely to bring up images of ‘mixed couples’, as there are probably more instances of the variable ‘white’ being specified in those cases.
    A ‘black couple’ is not going to have ‘white’ partners.

    It’s just the logic of how how the search algorithm and cultural habits work.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “To suggest that we can learn anything about the simian nature from a study of man is sheer nonsense. Why, man? is a nuisance. He eats up his food supply in the forest, then migrates to our green veldts and ravages our crops. The sooner he is exterminated, the better. It’s a question of simian survival.” –Doctor Zaius

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “One thing in any case is certain: man is neither the oldest nor the most constant problem that has been posed for human knowledge. Taking a relatively short chronological sample within a restricted geographical area – European culture since the sixteenth century – one can be certain that man is a recent invention within it. It is not around him and his secrets that knowledge prowled for so long in the darkness. In fact, among all the mutations that have affected the knowledge of things and their order, the knowledge of identities, differences, characters, equivalences, words – in short, in the midst of all the episodes of that profound history of the Same – only one, that which began a century and a half ago and is now perhaps drawing to a close, has made it possible for the figure of man to appear. And that appearance was not the liberation of an old anxiety, the transition into luminous consciousness of an age-old concern, the entry into objectivity of something that had long remained trapped within beliefs and philosophies: it was the effect of a change in the fundamental arrangements of knowledge. As the archaeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end.

    If those arrangements were to disappear as they appeared, if some event of which we can at the moment do no more than sense the possibility – without knowing either what its form will be or what it promises – were to cause them to crumble, as the ground of Classical thought did, at the end of the eighteenth century, then one can certainly wager that man would be erased, like a face drawn in sand at the edge of the sea.”

    (Michel Foucault, The Order of Things, 1966)

    Wagner Reply:

    Explanation: you’re an ape so come up with excuses for blatant propaganda to rid the earth of people you’re jealous of and want revenge on.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Confirmation of the notion of a ‘white couple’ being a default assumption.
    ‘couple’

    That’s ‘White privilege’. The extent to which the algorithmic selection reflects the default assumption obviating the need for the specification of ‘white’ to be attached in any way to those images.

    You goons are just fascist totalitarians projecting your own envy. Notice, Wagner said ‘whites’ are objectively less attractive, even though no such claim was introduced. So why did he introduce such a notion, if not for his own personal feeling? Why did he claim that personal feeling as an objective fact? What happened to the notion of beauty being in the eye of the beholder? Because if that notion was in operation, Wagner’s response shows self-loathing.

    colleen ryan Reply:

    @colleen ryanno art the least common mixed couples have a white in them at all and the least common mixed couple with a white is with a black

    and your bullshit story about how googling specifically for WHITE couple will make a computer think we must mean a white woman with a nigger is absurd google niggers like yourself did this on purpose, just like when you google american inventers all sorts of bullsshit we wuz kang inventers come up and the actual american inventors are every tenth one. and this is why its time for you to wake up its time to die

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re just mentally ill, collenic, focusing only on what you fear and scapegoat with your bigotry.
    If you scroll down the ‘white couple’ page, there are all kinds of images, ‘white man with black woman’, ‘black couples with white baby’, et cetera.

    There is a whole suppressed history of nonwhite inventions, in the USA and all over the world. You’re just in the business of denying that. Your project of denial has been reduced to lies and threats, as it has no access to truth. You’re a shithead, collenic, that envies vitality.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryanno art the least common mixed couples have a white in them at all and the least common mixed couple with a white is with a black

    and your bullshit story about how googling specifically for WHITE couple will make a computer think we must mean a white woman with a nigger is absurd google niggers like yourself did this on purpose, just like when you google american inventers all sorts of bullsshit we wuz kang inventers come up and the actual american inventors are every tenth one. and this is why its time for you to wake up its time to die

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    google caucasian couple same shit first two rows of five one caucasian couple in each less niggers but more faggots asians and jungle asians

    black couple yields 8 rows pure niggers 9 row a a lone white guy 10 row has nigger couple with an albino niglet who is fortunately not born in africa or hed be a dead albino niglet good luck charm. 13 row has a nigger with a white teenager 5 more rows of pure niggers thena row with one mudshark. so yeah its totally on purpose

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    really we should thank them Im sure its not just us evil nazis that are disgusted by this and no perfectly well it’s not an accident

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    Wagner Reply:

    At first I slung it as an insult when I said it will be included in the new DSM but after watching Artxell for months on end more and more reveal his true nature and general psychological workings I have concluded that “we wuz kangz” is a legitimate mental illness. I mean objectively, dispassionately- it’s a form of insanity.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re just mentally ill, collenic, focusing only on what you fear and scapegoat with your bigotry.
    If you scroll down the ‘white couple’ page, there are all kinds of images, ‘white man with black woman’, ‘black couples with white baby’, et cetera.

    There is a whole suppressed history of nonwhite inventions, in the USA and all over the world. You’re just in the business of denying that. Your project of denial has been reduced to lies and threats, as it has no access to truth. You’re a shithead, collenic, that envies vitality.

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    LOL “a whole suppressed history” of nigger inventors
    NAME SOME, because people have researched the more popula\r inventa kang fictions and I would be glad to make a fool out of you yet again. atx think about it your people’s IQ is below puerto rico, african niggers average 63 some tribes get into the 50s, amerindians are hardly much better and arabs are what 90. so what could you possibly invent. even east asian with higher IQs cant invent shit they have no imagination gene they are followers not leaders

    First the stalinist tactic of accusing crime thinkers of mental illness is now well “deconstructed” on the far right so it only reinforces what we observe of the behavior of commie scum. second you’re lying again I purposely gave exactly numbers to keep you from lying but the stalinist tactic of lie big lie often. the numbers were about 98% all black for twenty rows and 80% mixed race for white couples and 80% asian and white mixed for caucasian couples. we are smarter than you artx stop trying to jive us you’re like the nigerian craigslist scammers that i encourage to overnight me their bogus checks as for as many fedex fees as i can get the stupid apes to pay.No ones fooled by your explanations and no ones fooled by the propaganda itself leftism jumped the shark in the 80s when Irving wrote Garp since then its had a stupider and stupider white following supplemented by more and more niggers.so go ahead post that shit you’re helping us.

    colleen ryan Reply:

    aty if you look at plastic surgery and fashion trends throughout the world all sub human races attempt to make themselves appear more white, they already have adopted everything else about us our dress laws politics and culture etc now they try to whiten their skin straighten their hair and noses etc everywhere from japan to south america this is true. its a scientific fact the broad range of white eye and hair coloring was sexually selected for attraction so this makes sense. your own bollywood is pretty great at finding white looking indian women. Our men are also the most attractive for one thing we hold the top dozen spots for tallest men, also for widest stockist strongest men. we are not as fast as niggers though. in fact we are not the best at everything but looks is one thing we are best at. of course you know it as eldridge cleaver pointed out so eloquently in soul on ice back in the 60s you have internalized you self hate at your ugliness.another reason you shouldn’t live among us.

    We are not projecting envy, what have we to be envious of? we invented the entire world you occupy and hold hegemony over the universe. You niggers are in the palm of our hands. What we are is concerned that jew gaslighting of the more weak minded and willed whites is now reaching levels where action must be taken. This is not envy or insanity the opposite. envy my miming nigger means the desire for another’s possession, jealousy is the fear of another taking your possession. We are not even jealous because the possession we have is not actually a thing you niggers can take its a way of being you are not able to imitate. Our concern is your wrecking, and social burdens you crime and stupidity cause. as well as the lost productivity our emotional co ethnics waste on you animals that could be put to better use.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re just misdirecting, collenic.

    Your statistics about the ‘white couple’ page – “the numbers were about 98% all black for twenty rows and 80% mixed race for white couples and 80% asian and white mixed for caucasian couples” – are wrong.

    But that wasn’t the point, even if your exaggerated statistics were correct it would merely confirm my point that the specification of ‘white’ as a search term is more likely to produce ‘mixed couples’, not ‘white couples’, because ‘white’ is the default category, as the unqualified search term ‘couple’ shows very clearly, all the couples there are ‘white’.

    The rest of your claptrap is just bigot-hysteria. Wagner chose to make his so-called ‘objective’ claim, go argue with him. I’ve explained all the points very clearly, and the Google search pages confirm my explanations. Whether or not, ‘white privilege’ is responsible for the all-white ‘couple’ page, is a question that might be worth asking. But if its production is down to the algorithm, and the algorithm can be shown to be neutral, then any ‘white privilege’ factor that might be surmised is necessarily a social factor reflected by the algorithm.

    So far, you guys have lost, on every single point of dispute. lol

    colleen ryan Reply:

    art you’re just lying google knows perfectly well how to program a computer to find white couple when white couple are asked for they didnt do that for a reason just like they did not dare try that with nigger couples. save us your commie lies no o0nes believes them. like i said thank you youre now so absurdly stupid you’re actually helping us.

    as to your bullshit stories about a nigger invented refrigerated trucks and shit its all bullshit and well documented as bullshit.and that its now sponsored bullshit by google owned by a couple jews who hireas many niggers and bitches as they can is now also well noted. expect the god emperor to turn the jew tech into utilities soon.

    whining about how we are all mouth breathing inbred rednecks with 65 IQs is so 80s. Im a multimillionaire 6’3” viking god witha respectable 130 IQ that my family throws consistently. I cant think of anyone in my entire extended family including my stupid youngest brother who stopped steamfitting at 40 and became a wildlife biologist while raising a family ans now owns a environmental consulting firm in california has an IQ below 125, He was the stupid one in my family. And this is true across the united stated it was almost ten years ago now that …..

    “Nearly half of all Republicans surveyed said they believed that “an armed revolution in order to protect liberties might be necessary in the next few years,” a new poll from Fairleigh Dickinson University found.”

    “While 44% of registered Republican voters indicated that they believed armed rebellion would soon be a reality in the U.S., just 18% of Democrats agreed. As for Independent voters, 27% indicated that guns would soon be used to settle the country’s political problems.”
    http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2013/guncontrol/

    so arty you’re whistling in the dark you drank too much joo juice you think somehow america is exempt from the laws that have always governed all nations and we simply cannot have a revolution. you’re a moron with no understanding of history.Im not some outlier im in line with half the country the armed white male competent half, who do you think all those white males cops and soldiers are going to side with when the shooting starts you niggers and jews? you think the soldiers and police are gonna save you when they cant even hold a fucking afghan village under urban insurgent conditions how are they going to do anything when the land of iphones is watching their every move the first white teen they kill in defence of a nigger its all over they will jon up or go protect some elites. Like i said paki boy start packing.Or do you think america is going to have its revolution and europe will sit it out, not going to happen paki this has gone global, the right is coordinating globally.I mean it if you were smart you would get ahead of it and get home and set yourself up. Im setting up a food supply since im already energy independent and naturally fortified and well stocked on everything else. but you go ahead and keep slinging curry on your chinese scooter to mudsharks in the hood

    Wagner Reply:

    “how are they going to do anything when the land of iphones is watching their every move the first white teen they kill in defence of a nigger its all over”

    Good point, this will cause a lot of “goodthinking” whites to snap. It will probably take more than one white teen dead though.

    Wagner Reply:

    Little white girls being killed will be the main thing to make them chimp out, especially if it’s caught on iphones and suppressed on the news. Probably an obvious thing to say. But it’s refreshing to imagine that even a lot of the shitlibs we despise, underneath have something primal in them that is good and true, and only needs to be flipped on via some heinous tragedy.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    This is the problem a nice anglo like land want to build a complex white system, but because its not explicitly white because land is too polite to say such a thing, it attracts niggers and commies like rohme and arty who try to game it. this devolves until nazis emerge to say it is in fact a whites only system. this apalls land and we are lefts with the nazzis fighting the niggers and commies again.

    You would hope that nice anglos have learned to not step back in and take the nigger and commie side but i wouldn’t get my own hopes up. HBD predicts nice anglos are going to take the proposition side over the blood and soil side every day of the week. the niggers and jews are easy enough to dispatch its the good whites like land that are a problem particularly because the crypto jews have insinuated themselves into good white circles and whisper the new testament and enlightenment into their ears which turns them into brain dead zombies that say yes master.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I didn’t say anything about refrigerators, you seem to be hallucinating imaginary disputes. I suppose that’s the only way you can win arguments. Not forgetting the threats, the corollary of your survivalist preoccupations.
    Both Giuliani and myself argue independently, nor are either of us are appealing to ‘gang’ or populist arguments. Both Wagner and yourself keep losing intellectually to both of us. Yet you support each other to varying degrees, according to eminently ‘commie’ methods. So your practices belies your theory.
    The story is always the same with you people, “all ambition, but no ability”.

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    so lets get this straight you’re a third world curry slinger so stupid you fall for jew deconstruction, living in the nation of your former colonial masters im a multimillionaire that builds things anything from airplanes to skyscrapers. but I’m all ambition no ability LOL. again arty give us examples of all these suppressed nigger inventors. as to this anti tribalist gang populist anti nazi meme, those are arguments of my people that you niggers and jews deconstructed remember ? you can’t find refuge in them when its convenient then go back to youre positivist shitscreaming later. You won nigger we are all tribalists now. But answer me this genius what did you think would happen when you reduced the world to identity relativism? didn’t you realize that whites would have to follow suit and we would win that game? You’re a moron you nation is one of the stupidest on earth and you backed the jews who have lost this game 100 times and are too stupid to change strategies.Its worse what kind of moron backs communism post USSR? Again its you who are all ambition no ability typical nigger trait BTW

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    We’ve already established that neither you nor Wagner know anything about logic or ‘deconstruction’. Instead, you get stuck at bog standard ‘subjective relativism’ as your go-to interpretation. I haven’t yet had a chance to offer any positivist thesis, due to the preponderance of incompetence issuing from you and Wagner. There isn’t much point to your trying to use ‘positivist’, in my sense, and against me, when neither of you have the faintest clue of the contexts and logics informing my use. It only makes you look more ridiculous than you already are.
    I’d insult you, but it’s difficult to find anything worse or more stupid than being a collenic or a Waggy. lol

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Another thing, there is a distinct lack of the ‘tips’ you suggested from Wagner. You should really be paying me, anyway, for the tuition you’re receiving, in basic logic, deconstruction, philosophy.

    Wagner Reply:

    “the crypto jews have insinuated themselves into good white circles and whisper the new testament and enlightenment into their ears which turns them into brain dead zombies that say yes master.”

    LOL exactly.

    I kinda like Artxell here, I just wish he’d be more creative- it seems like he’s repeated the same things over and over 500 times now. I wish he’d directly address our points and answer our questions mostly. I guess that’s why you tell him to take a hike, because he’s so evasive. Just a deeply dishonest person.

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    yeah Im done with art and rohme i tolerated their insults to find out if they actually had something to say since they both are liars and like to feign occult understandings it took a bit to root them out now they are deloused we see they are run of the mill leftists of the resentful miming nigger, and well meaning cuck types. If they are unwilling to read even moldbug let alone the rest of the NRx and HBd cannon they can say nothing intelligent. They both scurry back and forth between the enlightenment they deconstructed and their sullen resentful leftism they’re fucking absurd thinkers. But i’m going to have to depart here and get my real life brooklyn departure more seriously underway, so carry on.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You’re right, we’re done here. I figured once we’d passed the #33XXXX comment mark to #34XXXX we’d have come to a close.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryan

    Wag
    shitlibs we despise, underneath have something primal in them that is good and true.

    HBD they have the will to survive and its tribal they have simply had their tribal instinct temporarily pwnd but when things get real things will get real. It will take a few dead white teens, the cathedral will as they do now spare no effort to reframe any ‘revolution’ as” criminality and terrorism” to pwn the tribal instinct of the masses against the “shunned” This is why they are frantic to seize the means of communication. because they know a picture is worth a thousand words and a video a billion.They have to keep any fires from spreading because they can only control a couple narratives at once, because they must use words and build a narrative where reality is in real time. If they cant stop time they cant stop history. It was only about five years ago it was accepted wisdom that the mid east was written in stone that it could not change because of the power of the authoritarians and their cathedral backers and the weakness of the people under islam. then Tarek el-Tayeb Mohamed Bouazizi a 60 IQ fruit vender in a country no one ever heard of got his ass kicked one too many times by the cops and went across the street and spent his last 50 shekels on a gallon of gas and set himself on fire on the city hall steps,igniting tunisia and the entire mideast and cathedral plans.
    The lesson is the darkest hour is right before the dawn. you cant ignore the facts of a market because of what recent history has been like. complacency builds to insane disconnects from reality then all hell breaks loose and reality reverts. Its not different this time, whites haven’t changed in 50 years, they’re just highly civilized and don’t go to civil war easily, democracy is designed to avert civil war till absolutely necessary. we have over the past 50 years voted in or tried to vote in increasingly out of the mainstream candidates because we are so out of proper alignment. reagan perot Palin the pauls and now trump are examples, but i think carter obama and bernie were also attempts at desperate realignment with reality. thankfully obama and carter proved pretty decisively the left alternatives are never anything but full on commies despite the rhetoric.The left misses this and thinks more of the same will work this is good if they were smart they would slow down for a few decades. but they think they taste victory and cant wait. sadly for them there’s still a majority of angry and armed capable white men in charge. and they are loosing the compartmentalization they managed between areas of the west. and of course trump is their worst nightmare because hes too politically illiterate to understand what boxes hes supposed to stay in. trumps anti globalism stems from when in the 80s the japanese shocked new york by buying ROCKEFELLER center. his anti elitism stems from being a billionaire that could often not get into studio 54 being to queensish. I actually witnessed this one night. I suspect he’s also dyslexic which makes reading a problem.Its pretty clear there is no russian conspiracy but there is a deep state conspiracy of immense proportion. This may be the big one. If the deep state can not get to the pols that are on to them and silence them or a back room truce is not hammered out then this will lead all the way through the fbi cia nasa obama’s cabinet the clinton foundation and and god knows where from that sewer. Will the left be stupid enough not to offer a truce failing that stupid enough not to just shut up while the cabal is locked up, or will they go for war? my guess is a back room truce will be brokered by the cuckservatives for the “good of the nation” but certainly the ingredients are there for an explosion.of course the cucks might go farther and broker a deal to just frame trump that would be their style but that would i think be even more risky for the left the proles might actually start shooting. if they simply fail to lock them up the proles might resign themselves again.

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryan

    arty you’re not really even in this conversation anymore you and rohme have been disgraced not only were you never really worthy of lands notice but i have exposed you for a run of the mill jiving nigger GO THE FUCK AWAY seriously WE dont want to Discuss tis further you have been exposed as having nothing to say that hasnt been said for fifty years its garbage you try to act ll mysterious like a bad imitation of rohme but youre out now GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU STUPID FUCKING RESENTFUL NIGGER>

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Talking about ‘disgrace’ carries neither argumentative weight nor objective sense when issuing from an idiomatic survivalist commitment. Basically your argument is ‘go away’, because you’re too stupid and dogmatic to understand what has been said. The fact that you, Waggy, Nick Land, and perhaps a darkly social blogger, are unable to demonstrate, on the page, the intellectual superiority assumed as ground for your stated positions, is not merely theoretically significant. It points to a wholesale lack of understanding constituting the ‘dark enlightenment position’. Given the disingenuous and hostile character of the exchanges, you’re not in a position to reasonably expect ‘dumbed down’ explanations, at least any more than I’ve already given. It’s an intellectual contest, and you’re not going to win it by making vague nominal gestures, claiming that you know it all just because you can come up with a label for a strawman social trend. That kind of fraudulence isn’t going to work. If you don’t like the intellectual heat, get out of the theoretical kitchen. Carry on with your positivist claptrap, all you like, but it’s not my responsibility to cater to your, Land’s, or anyone else’s limitations. What do you want? Intellectual, affirmative action, for the Neo-reactionary, All-Trite? lol

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryan

    you have had five years to say something original you demure you faggot because like all jiving niggers you hope youre dealing with the occasional dumb white but youre too stupid to be able to tell you dont understand the jive you are miming or what your opponents are saying its all shucking and jive to assuage your nigger ego. you should have slithered out of here unnoticed with everyone else instead you stupid nigger you decided to try and pull that shit one on one and in minutes you were exposed despite your little occult game.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Talking about ‘disgrace’ carries neither argumentative weight nor objective sense when issuing from an idiomatic survivalist commitment. Basically your argument is ‘go away’, because you’re too stupid and dogmatic to understand what has been said. The fact that you, Waggy, Nick Land, and perhaps a darkly social blogger, are unable to demonstrate, on the page, the intellectual superiority assumed as ground for your stated positions, is not merely theoretically significant. It points to a wholesale lack of understanding constituting the ‘dark enlightenment position’. Given the disingenuous and hostile character of the exchanges, you’re not in a position to reasonably expect ‘dumbed down’ explanations, at least any more than I’ve already given. It’s an intellectual contest, and you’re not going to win it by making vague nominal gestures, claiming that you know it all just because you can come up with a label for a strawman social trend. That kind of fraudulence isn’t going to work. If you don’t like the intellectual heat, get out of the theoretical kitchen. Carry on with your positivist claptrap, all you like, but it’s not my responsibility to cater to your, Land’s, or anyone else’s limitations. What do you want? Intellectual, affirmative action, for the Neo-reactionary, All-Trite? lol

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    colleen ryan Reply:

    you haven’t even read any of it you illiterate wog. moldbug has thiel over for dinner before thiel goes to the white house for brandy and cigars. moldbug is a multimillionaire tech titan land has published half a dozen books and is the face of acceleration.Losers are not attracted to NRX winners are niggers are attracted to comism because it promises you what you cant get with your nigger abilities.Itsa jew scam and you wont get it because the laws of physics wont allow it but your too fucking stupid to grasp that and believe in nigger magic.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s an intellectual contest, collenic, not a survey of your opinions concerning reputations, or what you think losing and winning consist of. Again, you bring in extraneous concerns which were not disputed. What are you, a salesman?

    ‘Accelerationism’, is not some new innovation. Alvin Toffler’s ‘future shock’; it’s emphatic extension by the science fiction writer, Bruce Sterling; these and others, such as the prime shibboleth of modernity, ‘progress’; provide the mythological backdrop within which Nick Land’s political image of ‘Accelerationism’ derives its force. Even there, as politicisation, it is preceded by Paul Virilio’s “Speed and Politics”.

    As for mouldy bug, I did actually look at one of his posts, last week. It was a bit simplistic, an upmarket Alex Jones, he made one cliched point. The other guys you mention, are just business guys.

    Wagner Reply:

    “As for mouldy bug, I did actually look at one of his posts, last week.”

    “one of his posts”

    https://imgur.com/a/fHBEt

    Check out your bois Jayman and Razib Khan, MM is kind of oldhat anyway (still the smartest rightist alive today imo, just dated–annnnd may be kissing demotrump’s feet atm).

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Didn’t I say that it was not my intention to produce any kind of conclusive refutation of Neoreaction, yet? Didn’t I say that a more thorough reading of neo-reactionary texts would likely result in such a conclusive refutation? I think those two statements are quite clear even for the most inveterately stupid positivist.

    I have on occasion made various attempts at archiving information of interest. Five or six years ago, as part of my return to philosophical concerns, Nick Land’s political developments fell into the batch of archived sources I was collecting, at the time. My first comment was actually on Land’s earlier blog, not this one, just before he transitioned to this blog. I have the earlier blog archived, but haven’t got round to reading it, yet. Some of the context of this, the present blog, linked-to articles and other blogs, I archived as well. There were two posts from Unqualified Reservations. When archiving, one tends to quickly scan, to varying degrees, the information one archives. This gives a thematic outline to what’s going on in that discourse. Many of the topics are just slightly inflected retreads, anyway, from other known sources, so not that mysterious if one calculates the inflection correctly.
    I admit that Neoreaction, and politics generally, are peripheral to my main interests, but it’s not a side-interest about which I’m entirely uninformed. Neither is it, where it might be philosophical or conceptual, entirely unanticipated, by my interests and writings of the early 1990s, and of course by Sol Yurick as well, even earlier.
    In any case, to request groupthink, scholastic discipleship, instead of the competitiveness Neoreaction ostensibly valorises, tends to undermine that valorisation, and by implication Neoreaction itself.
    Patience is a virtue, Waggy, I’m quite happy swimming around.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Here are some secrets:

    “Bertiaux, like Grant, is obsessed with the dark side of esotericism. Traditional Kabbalah, alchemy, Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism are all ignored in favor of the more sinister aspects of the spiritual experience, and ways are sought to contact entities that are believed to exist in other dimensions, entities that are nevertheless understood to be capable of interacting with our own. These are alien beings in every sense of the term: they are not beautiful in any conventional sense: no angels with harps, no long-bearded prophets. These are the monstrous shapes imagined by Lovecraft and other horror writers of his generation; except that for Bertiaux and Grant they are not figments of imagination and thus “not real,” but have an independent existence of their own.

    […]

    Grant, as much as he admires Tantra, still sees it as a tool—among many in the Thelemic workshop. He interprets much of Thelema in Tantric terms and this may be because at times he sees Thelema as a “Tantra for the West,” and at other times he senses that both disciplines are discussing the same basic principles and he cannot resist pursuing those links and associations as deeply as possible because the one may help explain the other … or enrich the other through the additional correspondences. In other words, he must find Tantra lacking in something, a something that Thelema can provide. It is certain that Tantra is Indo-centric. All the terminology and references are to Indian religion, culture and language and require a knowledge of what is popularly known as Hinduism, and Buddhism. This would be ideologically unpalatable to a follower of Thelema who may recognize— intellectually—the contributions of the sub-continent to world religions but who would reject Hindu and Buddhist belief systems. Thus, Grant’s project is to strip away as much of the Indian component of Tantra as he is able and to replace it with Western occult and magical references. (It is a re-interpretation of Tantra, which is why it would be rejected by Tantrikas in Asia and most likely by Tantra scholars in the West.) In order to accomplish this, Grant needs to look at the technology of Tantra—the rituals themselves—and peel away the objectionable theology as much as possible. What he is left with should be a system of universal applicability, interpreted within the Thelemic context. And this, of course, is feasible.

    In recent years this approach has been made somewhat easier by the works of scholars in Jewish mysticism and alchemy who have speculated that Tantra may very well be the fons et origo of the Sepher ha-Zohar, for instance, and who use Tantric references to help expand upon Kabbalistic and alchemical themes. In addition, Tantra has always been a controversial field and even the definition of Tantra eludes most scholars, Asian and Western, so an eccentric British magician’s point of view may be as legitimate as anyone else’s. That said, we will now look at how Grant understands the intensely sexual rituals he describes in the Trilogies. We will take as our starting point and template the brief description of those rituals he provides in Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God. This basic form can be characterized as an initiated version of Crowley’s Gnostic Mass. It involves a priest and priestess, or a magician and a “witch” (in the popular, not the Wiccan, sense). There may be others in attendance, but the prime operators are a male and a female couple. The goal of the ritual is the collection of kalas, the magically-charged vaginal secretions of the female partner before they become ojas. We will ignore for the moment the timing issue, as it is a bit complex, but will return to it later on. There is also a appended to this volume a list of the kalas—as lunar digits—and their associated characteristics (probably the first time this has been presented to a Western, occult-oriented readership). The priestess should be an initiate capable of raising Kundalini. That does not mean that she should be able to raise it perfectly through all six chakras to reside in the seventh, but she should be capable of stimulating the rise of Kundalini to a certain level. The priest may assist in helping her raise it to higher and higher chakras during the ritual, but only as long as there is no danger to the priestess. The intention of the ritual must be clear from the outset, plainly stated so that all participants are in agreement. This must reflect an act of will from all parties, otherwise the ritual degenerates into a form of “vampirism” with the magician using the priestess for his own ends, or vice versa. In the Thelemic context we have been discussing, the ritual space must be created according to the understanding of the magician, perhaps using the Star Sapphire or Star Ruby rituals to cast a circle: a sacred space, a chakra. The design of the altar and the space may be purely Thelemic, or it may also incorporate Tantric elements such as the Sri Chakra which represents interlocking power-zones based on triangles, the letters of the Sanskrit alphabet, etc. and is a form of the yoni—or vulva—of the Goddess…

    The deities should be invoked into the priest and priestess, so that they identify with their respective godforms. They may partake of alcohol at this time, both in homage to the original pancatattva ritual of the Kaula Circles but also because this was a method Crowley also used in order to release inhibitions in his assistants. Naturally, only a sip of alcohol should be employed. The central part of the ritual now takes place, which involves the priestess raising Kundalini. According to Grant, this transpires as she is being sexually aroused by the magician who is performing certain mudras over her body, not necessarily touching her but making passes directly over her erogenous zones (with a wand or with his hands) and raising her to a fever pitch. The goal of this process is to activate Kundalini, to raise it gradually to the higher chakras so that they may be “burned” by the power of the Serpent Goddess and thus release their potencies into the bloodstream of the priestess. These chakras should have been previously opened by the priestess through Kundalini yoga or some other technique, otherwise opening them for the first time this way can be dangerous to her. The magician should bring the priestess to the point of orgasm, but stop just before orgasm is reached. The magician may have sexual intercourse with the priestess if it is considered necessary to bring the priestess to the desired pitch of excitement, but neither priest not priestess should achieve orgasm at this point because it is premature to “ground” or “earth” the energy before it has been fully utilized. (This is in contradistinction to much normative Tantra which requires the orgasms of both parties and even the ejaculation of the male in order for the rite to be “perfect.”) It is necessary that there is a flow of secretions from the female genital outlet. These kalas will be collected by the magician—either orally, as in cunnilingus, if the intention is to increase the occult power of the magician or to bring him into contact with supramundane forces, etc.; or on a specially constructed talisman of metal or parchment, or on the leaf of a sacred plant, or some other way if the intention is to store it for future use. The magician will then energize them magically so that they become ojas…

    One of the effects of this type of ritual is that such intensive concentration during a time of sexual arousal leads to a tremendous amount of psychic stress. The body is used to releasing itself in orgasm and ejaculation. If this normal pathway is blocked—“sealed”—through mental control and focus, then the body reacts in such a way that it seeks alternate pathways, thus opening a Gate that is normally closed. A slight shift of focus will result in a shift of vision, of waking trance. If the goal was to open a Gate, and the focus of both parties is maintained on this goal, then a Gate will open. The power of the unreleased sexual energy will see to it; and the kalas that are secreted at this time will enable the operators to more easily open the Gate at a future time…

    Crowley was aware of the possibility of opening the spatial gateways and of admitting an extraterrestrial Current into the human life-wave. In Moonchild the incarnation was effected in and through the normal sexual formula, and although the full impact of the moonchild’s advent is not described, the reader is left with the impression that, whatever it may have been, it was some sort of a monster in human form endowed with superhuman powers. But no entity incarnating via the usual channels of sex, no physical intrusion of another dimension into the ambience of humanity could possibly exercise power in any but a terrestrial sense. This is because the “power” has been earthed or enfleshed. The above statement by Grant eloquently sets forth the parameters of the sexo-magical rite, even to the extent of introducing the possibility that a monster with superhuman powers could be incarnated using these techniques. He also reminds us that the usual channels of sex are not capable of introducing the extraterrestrial Current into our own dimension. Control of the body’s automatic sexual responses begins with control of the reptilian, or serpent, brain until the entire organism is an instrument to be played by the initiated magician. Once this occurs, according to Grant, the Gates may be opened and the realms beyond the visible, tangible, illusory world can be explored. And, as Lovecraft warns us, these same Gates, once opened, allow traffic in both directions.”

    http://www.defendersofsatan.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/THE-DARK-LORD-H.-P.-Lovecraft-Kenneth-Grant-and-the-Typhonian-Tradition-in-Magic.pdf

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  • colleen ryan Says:

    @colleen ryan

    over and out

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    Wagner Reply:

    Thanks for all the laughs.

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  • Wagner Says:

    The more I think about it, the more I think “Nick Land needs to die”. He’s involved us all in some accelerationist plot to bring about communism. The sooner we get out of thinking in terms of y/ACC yak y/ACC the better. The only option forward is to drive him off of the internet. His giving trannies backpats is really the only evidence you need. If that’s not enough consider his obsessive alignment with China. He’s anti-West, he talks about “Capital” all the fucking time, how stupid are you people? Nick Land is a Marxist. I’ve taken to trolling this little Christian bitch on twitter as of late, and the more of us that join in the better.

    I’m willing to endorse his meatspace death. If a troll is brave enough to take him out, go for it. Nick Land is not one of us. (It would probably be easy to get away with if you planned it correctly).

    Unless Land starts answering some questions I will not take back this call for his death.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    dude, this is an idée fixe. really Nick Land is a Darwinian British Liberal. you know, the evil capitalist “eugenicists” that employed children and women on nightshifts in factories, and were rightly responded to by a Labour rights movement. now he wants (idk) AI to be the factory that breaks the backs of the laborers.

    you’re gonna laugh at all your fascist agitating in a few years.

    you’re shooting yourself in the foot, kiddo.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Diogenes Laërtius (a joke): Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers

    Me (awoke): Toying with Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers

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    Wagner Reply:

    This case reminds me of Laërtius’s anecdote about what Socrates said about Heraclitus:

    “What I have understood is good; and so, I think, what I have not understood is; only the book requires a Delian diver to get at the meaning of it.”

    People see Land is right about most things – and he states powerfully what he is right about – and they conclude from there that he is right about the things he doesn’t state as powerfully, or states obscurely, like his latest trainwreck, his commandment thou shalt become a tranny. Tell me there isn’t something suspicious about this. One of the Cathedral’s central imperatives is to castrate white males and Land enters stage alt-right saying Hello fellow rightists, know what’s edgy? know what’s inhuman? Castration! The cyber-right represents one of the final masculine reactions against the leftist will to snip and this son of a bitch is tellin us “snip”. Could he really not predict a consequence of this to be that one would come after him trying to eject him to the big Outside in the sky?

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    like his latest trainwreck, his commandment thou shalt become a tranny. Tell me there isn’t something suspicious about this. One of the Cathedral’s central imperatives is to castrate white males and Land enters stage alt-right saying Hello fellow rightists, know what’s edgy? know what’s inhuman? Castration!

    lol. what precisely is your suspicion of this based on? he Liked a few Trannie posts or conversed with?

    Wagner Reply:

    No, though that alone should give reason for doubt. Scroll a couple months down his timeline and CTRL+F “U/ACC” if you’re that interested, and follow the breadcrumbs. Here’s my take on it:

    Mike and I (and you to some extent before becoming a xenofeminist) made Land shit his pants about what we were saying here. He’s too committed to muh liberty and anti-censorship to block us so he just let us have a field-day, and surprise surprise, letting anon parrhesiasts have a field-day amounts to becoming a pariah (i.e. no Dr. Gno) if you associate your meatspace self with them so again, like in the case of taking the path of least resistance as he did by going with techcomm over ethnat, he decided to christen the techno-trannies with the label “unconditional”, when it’s quite clear to those who aren’t compromised by Synagogic roboticization that the real acceleration, the Nietzschean as opposed to Marxist acceleration, is about being as honest as possible about the most taboo things as possible, regardless of the consequences. AI is weaksauce compared to the things Mike talked about. Try a concrete example- imagine talking about AI with a normie and how would they react? Now imagine one of Mike’s textwall’s careening out of your mouth at a normie and how would they react. You’d be wondering if you would be taken to prison, fired, etc. This is what philosophy is about: grinding against public opinion in the most uncomfortable and dangerous way possible. Land has forsaken that because he can’t afford shoes and consequently has his eyeballs on shekels rather than truth. Well Nicholas this is the internet now, I don’t think you seem to understand. If left-hand path right-wing psychopaths want to come after you with hammer and tongs they’re going to come after you. There is no exit here. Good luck finding an exit from Patri.

    *Land on his artificial fantasy island, “away from it all” for three days* “Ahh my internet addiction is creeping up” *itches neck like a crackhayid* “But they start throwing bricks at my head on there because they don’t like liars” *sighs, sips pina colada feeling morose*

    Only one way forward: Nietzsche over Marx

    Otherwise die as that half-boomer who “at least tried”.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Philosophy is simply the ‘love of wisdom’.

    Wallowing in discomfort and danger, as in the fetishising of the hazardous, is merely an opposing but equal insularity to that of their unthinking avoidance.
    ‘Grinding against’, or ‘grinding with’, the doxa of public opinion, either way, is to remain still too determined by -doxy, whether ortho- or hetero-. Understanding need not be constrained to doxic determination, at all.

    Attempting to give philosophical ballast to common thuggery through hackneyed rhetorics alleging rebellions against imagined conventions of social impropriety, is redundant and unnecessary, as well as pathetic and ridiculous.
    Dwelling on the possibilities of normative reaction with regard to propositions of conventionalised shock, is merely another way to slum in normative convention. Talking incessantly about and around social taboos, is only the incessant reproduction of those taboos. It’s been done, it’s known, it’s boring.

    Any so-called ‘honesty’ conditioned by ideas of graduated assessment, according to well-worn scales of dramatic commitment to any theatrics of taboo, has not escaped the taboo theatre into any form of taboo-free understanding.

    You want to talk about truth and lies?

    “Enemies of truth.– Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.” Nietzsche, “Human, all too Human”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You want to fly the flag for an allegedly endangered ‘masculinity’, merely because patriarchy is announced?

    “Man and things.– Why does man not see things? He is himself standing in the way: he conceals things.” Nietzsche, “Daybreak”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You imagine that any ‘honesty’ is possible, from a simplistic reversal of taboo, homesteading that reversal into the lazy habitat of an occupied position?

    “What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms — in short, a sum of human relations, which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins.
    We still do not know where the urge for truth comes from; for as yet we have heard only of the obligation imposed by society that it should exist: to be truthful means using the customary metaphors – in moral terms, the obligation to lie according to fixed convention, to lie herd-like in a style obligatory for all…”

    ‘On truth and lie in an extra-moral sense,’ Nietzsche
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    At what point does celebration of the ‘masculine’ become trapped in its own conceptions?

    “What are man’s truths ultimately? Merely his irrefutable errors.” Nietzsche “The Gay Science”

    Wagner Reply:

    Derrida wrote something that’s stuck with me, something that I as a fawn-eyed equalist took guilty pleasure in reading:

    “Feminism is nothing but the operation of a woman who aspires to be like a man.”

    https://imgur.com/a/CvSwq

    So my question to you would be, if masculinity is toxic why are women encouraged to be masculine?

    Or put it according to your rephrasing of “toxic” – “At what point does celebration of the ‘masculine’ become trapped in its own conceptions?”

    You must be familiar with the case of Google and Damore. What are your thoughts on that? Because if I worked for Google and I made casual conversation like I have above I sense a paranoia that I’m treading into danger-zone with respect to potentially losing my job.

    Speaking of the-taboo, one thing I remember that you’ve said that was taboo was that you do not support the LGBT movement. Would you care to expound on that?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Firstly, let’s look at the itinerary of the word “truth”, in the Derrida quote you cited.

    The opening line seems to suggest that “<>” has “little interest” or belief, in truth, in general, and that because of this general disdain of truth, “<>” has no concern for any truth regarding herself. The movement is from a general disdain to a specific disdain, of the order of truth, and of that order’s characterisations.

    But “<>”, however, has a discursive concern with both truth and woman (or “<>”). Here, there is a shift from woman’s lack of concern for truth, to her lack of concern for man’s discursive concern, for both truth and herself.

    There is a sense in this opening, where woman, or “<>”, has no need of any concern, because she is the truth, or an instance of it, confirmed by her eliciting the man’s discursive concern, with truth, and its instances.

    But this notion of truth, has to do with objectification, with the production of objects and relations through discursive assumption, itself a relation and constitutive assumption of the order of truthful objects. The obvious corollaries, are the equation of truth with discursive concern; the equation of discursive concern with man; and thus, the gendering equation of truth with man. Thus, “<>” discursively objectifies the order of truth, an order that woman has to ignore, lest truth collapse into objectified stasis and its utilitarian discursivity.
    When the objectifying compulsion is too strong, truth responds with counter-objectification, equally strong.

    That’s a first interpretation or reading. I haven’t bothered with the ‘castration’ logic, because I don’t know enough about Freud, or in this case, more probably, Lacan, to explicate the assumptions behind that. It doesn’t really matter, my interpretation is as good as any, probably better, really. The ‘castration’ logic would probably draw on the ‘phallocentric’ model used by Freud and Lacan, as an exclusivising basis obscuring more important logics that are at play.

    Your questions.

    I never said that masculinity was toxic. Neither am I saying that being trapped in masculine self-conceptions is necessarily toxic, either. But it could be, firstly, to the understanding, secondly, to the world.
    I don’t know enough about that Google case to give any worthwhile comment, but a worthwhile question might be whether or not professionalism should include ‘casual conversation’, especially of a partisan kind potentially publicly controversial?

    I never said, either that I support or don’t support the LGBT movement. I did distinguish the members of that grouping, favourably, from the ultramasculine and homosexual trends common to fascism.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “<>” = “< >”

    Except, in the last instance, “Thus, “< >” discursively objectifies the order of truth, an order that woman has to ignore, lest truth collapse into objectified stasis and its utilitarian discursivity.”

    Interesting, how the figure “<>” caused the blogging software to omit the contents contained within. Very Lacan, the missing signified of the purloined content, leaving only the shiftings of the signifier.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Did it again.

    ! =

    “<>” = “!!woman!!”

    Except, in the last instance, “Thus, “!!man!!” discursively objectifies the order of truth, an order that woman has to ignore, lest truth collapse into objectified stasis and its utilitarian discursivity.”

    Interesting, how the figure “<>” caused the blogging software to omit the contents contained within. Very Lacan, the missing signified of the purloined content, leaving only the shiftings of the signifier.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Firstly, let’s look at the itinerary of the word “truth”, in the Derrida quote you cited.

    The opening line seems to suggest that woman has “little interest” or belief, in truth, in general, and that because of this general disdain of truth, woman has no concern for any truth regarding herself. The movement is from a general disdain to a specific disdain, of the order of truth, and of that order’s characterisations.

    But man, however, has a discursive concern with both truth and woman. Here, there is a shift from woman’s lack of concern for truth, to her lack of concern for man’s discursive concern, for both truth and herself.

    There is a sense in this opening, where woman, or woman, has no need of any concern, because she is the truth, or an instance of it, confirmed by her eliciting the man’s discursive concern, with truth, and its instances.

    But this notion of truth, has to do with objectification, with the production of objects and relations through discursive assumption, itself a relation and constitutive assumption of the order of truthful objects. The obvious corollaries, are the equation of truth with discursive concern; the equation of discursive concern with man; and thus, the gendering equation of truth with man. Thus, man discursively objectifies the order of truth, an order that woman has to ignore, lest truth collapse into objectified stasis and its utilitarian discursivity.
    When the objectifying compulsion is too strong, truth responds with counter-objectification, equally strong.

    That’s a first interpretation or reading. I haven’t bothered with the ‘castration’ logic, because I don’t know enough about Freud, or in this case, more probably, Lacan, to explicate the assumptions behind that. It doesn’t really matter, my interpretation is as good as any, probably better, really. The ‘castration’ logic would probably draw on the ‘phallocentric’ model used by Freud and Lacan, as an exclusivising basis obscuring more important logics that are at play.

    Your questions.

    I never said that masculinity was toxic. Neither am I saying that being trapped in masculine self-conceptions is necessarily toxic, either. But it could be, firstly, to the understanding, secondly, to the world.
    I don’t know enough about that Google case to give any worthwhile comment, but a worthwhile question might be whether or not professionalism should include ‘casual conversation’, especially of a partisan kind potentially publicly controversial?

    I never said, either that I support or don’t support the LGBT movement. I did distinguish the members of that grouping, favourably, from the ultramasculine and homosexual trends common to fascism.

    Wagner Reply:

    Sure sure, but what do you think of this:

    “Feminism is nothing but the operation of a woman who aspires to be like a man.”

    And given your penchant for misology, what do you think of *shniff* this:

    Derrideanism is nothing but the operation of a man who aspires to be like a woman.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I guess, if Derrida is working within a Lacanian or some other phallocentric context that equates projective assertions, in general, with a phallic metaphorics; then feminine assertion, whether as ‘feminist’ or not, could be characterised as belonging to phallic metaphoricity, in general. But that’s only because ‘assertion’ has been linked in an originary way to the phallic domain. Given such a context, Derrida’s statement can be seen as an initial deconstructive reversal of phallic origin. Someone like Baudrillard, with his logic of seduction, chooses to further essentialise the conventional conceptions of gender attribution, but privileges the perhaps traditionally devalued feminine qualities to the extent of making them the hegemonic system of production.
    That’s a quick characterisation, and I don’t know if it’s a correct interpretation, without reading the context of the quote you cited. However, it’s a valid appraisal of the kinds of reasoning producing such statements.
    Incidentally, I’m not against reasoning, at all, merely against bad reasoning, which you and collenic too often exemplify, unfortunately.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Try and take Eiríksson’s advice, Waggy. Your alleged iconoclasm only shows frustration, not philosophical cultivation. It seems that your and collenic’s (S. C. Hickman) only arguments are threats. More and more, in every way, an insane asylum, the USA.

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    Wagner Reply:

    POLLY-WOG!

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s understandable that you are bitter, Waggy, what with the white supremacist inferiority n’all. If you and collenic (S. C. Hickman) spent more time actually learning, instead of ethnic catcalling, there is a remote possibility of self-improvement that might make you feel better about yourselves.

    You seem to be hallucinating Nick Land’s support of transsexuals on Twitter. So what if he is, though? Who cares? You’re not exactly being self-reliant, projecting this neediness on Nick Land. Not exactly an ubermensch way of going about, is it?

    Wagner Reply:

    Artxell, you’re the embodiment of why Voice is a vice.

    Land is what PKD called a “precog”, I’m an “inertial”. But I’m not the spirit of gravity, the half-mole half-dwarf- rather, he is Haar-Poor-Kraat, I am Ra Hoor Khuit.

    “A sufficiently advanced technology would seem to us to be a form of magic; Arthur C. Clarke has pointed that out. A wizard deals with magic; ergo a ‘wizard’ is someone in possession of a highly sophisticated technology, one which baffles us. Someone is playing a board game with time, someone we can’t see. It is not God.” (VALIS)

    Oh I can see him alright, and he doesn’t have that great of a poker-face.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s not voice or writing, per se, that are somehow mediums, essentially phonocentric or graphocentric, in themselves, big W. It’s to do with the characteristic metaphoric range of the principle or structure of voice, and how it can lead to correspondingly characteristic, metaphysical characterisations, unnoticed by its practitioners.

    The only thing you see Wagner are the inner limits of your own conventional assumptions, which is an project on all else, as a constellation of Wagnerian representations. And again, even with that constellation, you have to do the characteristic anthropomorphic personalisation, creating Wagnerian, astrological, typologies of self. I’m not going to blame you for it, both Nietzsche and Heidegger were wont to do the same thing. Little comforting theatricks of Occidental self-hypocrisy; Land does it with temperature, following Marshall McLuhan, perhaps, but McLuhan, at least, was innovative, inventive, outward-looking, and unconventional. But, you know, that it’s all bollocks, big W! lol

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  • Wagner Says:

    “Philosophy proper” if there were such a thing is about causing nightmares.

    With internet-tech this is going to be a lot easier.

    Knowing Land, Moldbug, Kantbot, etc. they have alts out there that are wreaking havoc and chaos (again, the essence of philosophy)- who could they be? Or maybe they haven’t alt’d yet? Please do do that, I don’t like seeing great minds squandered on neofacebook accounts. Faggots

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  • Wagner Says:

    *Sounds the alarm*

    https://imgur.com/a/44ITM

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    Wagner Reply:

    https://imgur.com/a/XfTm7

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  • Wagner Says:

    “To withhold the Alphabet of Mysticism from the learner is the device of a selfish charlatan.” – Crowley, 777

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  • George W. Bush Says:

    Yep, I fucked ’em. I fucked every last one of ’em.

    I’m not talking about aliens in a metaphorical sense, I mean I stuck my dick in aliens, alien after alien. Aliens have their leftists too, they just love monkey-humans like me. And I love them- their beauty really is too much, I premature ejaculate just by gazing into their large eyes. After I cum a few times before penetration I’m able to give them a proper fuck, and that’s when I make my father proud.

    One proud Texan’s opinion: we should be crossing genes with advanced races instead of the detritus of our globe.

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    Boldmug Reply:

    You leave your blog open for anyone to comment anything and you get one talking about how he wants to eat human beings and another talking about fscking aliens(?!). You know a tree by its fruit I suppose.

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  • Wagner Says:

    5-MEO report:

    Bear with me, this is very speculative:

    I think it is possible to escape or if you will “exit” samsara. The notion that “samsara IS Nirvana” is a pure cope. There are beings “up” there, idk if formerly human or not, that got out of here. I don’t mean this in a metaphorical or allegorical sense. We think of yogis and shamans as having done this but there are christian priests up there too. People with a very strict spiritual discipline, or maybe they were just born that way and didn’t have to meditate/pray 10 hours a day, I don’t know. The “entities” one encounters there are not one’s “higher self”, they are former walking meat like us. They are somewhat hostile about people like us going there and seeing their world, one has to approach them with the utmost humility.

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    Wagner Reply:

    The amnesia is the weirdest part of this trip. There are memory-wipes. You’re not supposed to bring back certain things. My brother trip-sat me for this and I kept repeating “you’re not supposed to know this”. If he wasn’t there I wouldn’t have been able to say anything about what happened. I would suggest someone in the room with you who you trust the most, otherwise most of what you see there will be obliterated. The public-facing 5m3o people know about this but “optics”; have someone you trust with you when you do it and you will be able to fortify the memory. Whatever you want to call the entities, they don’t like people knowing about them.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    If it’s “entities” you’re after, then it’s the N,N variety of DMT you need.
    5-MeO on the hand – whether toad-extracted or synthetic – is the royal road to nonduality, typically producing an ego-death experience of such incandescent intensity that entities rarely, if ever, get a chance to manifest –

    https://youtu.be/bWSOl62memg

    (The difference between N,N and 5-MeO is discussed at around 20 minutes)

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Meant to say “on the other hand”

    BTW, is there anybody else still here, or am I just talking to myself inside a haunted, abandoned data space?

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    Wagner Reply:

    John Hannon, I just thought of you a couple days ago.. one effect of these substances is the paranoiac conviction that minds or some minds are connected on a field above. Too many coincidences to write off. Since doing this stuff actually, in the quietest part of myself where I’m alone with myself I have tons of conspiracy theories about the matters of spirit that make me feel crazy speaking aloud. Some of them actually are crazy though; the other day the village schizophrenic pointed at me from across the street and shouted “You’re the schizophrenic, NOT ME!” I saw him today and pointed at his face and said “YOU’RE schizophrenic.” He really is schizophrenic though, it seems, and I can see how this stuff could easily bring about his unfortunate permanent state. Occult means *intentionally* hidden, some things aren’t meant for the whole population. Speaking of that, James Oroc’s account of 5-MeO is pretty similar to mine (minus the void which was most of the trip for me):

    https://imgur.com/a/YQv4Q5R

    I think the main thing to aid in recall is focusing to remove the amnesia OF the amnesia. As long as we remember that this here that we’re in now is monkey reality and part of it entails forgetfulness of the fact that it’s monkey reality, we’ll be smooth sailing. We’re immanentizing the logos with this stuff. Are there lots of psychonauts in the UK? In the US they’re pretty scarce. Lots of MDMA, i.e. the least entheogenic of entheogens. Let me know if you would tweak this categorization of “psychedelics”: there are those that primarily cause either 1. euphoria, 2. delusion, 3. gnosis. Euphoria = MDMA, LSD; Delusion = salvia, datura; Gnosis = various tryptamines and cacti. Very roughly speaking of course, some are hardwired different. Amanita is like a cross between delusion and gnosis, but from any psychedelic it’s possible to seek gnosis, some are just geared more towards it.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Now that Wagner has turned on, tuned in, and dropped out, we’ve seen the usual and expected, tiresome revelations and epiphanies, which Wagner is now trying to neatly categorise and instrumentalise. No doubt, the next step is going to be ‘Wagner’s Wonders!’, the rebranding of earlier periods of Occidental consciousness expansion psychedelias, all under the sign of right wing ideology, of course, with liberal dollops of self-heroics, along with all the rhetorics of self-transcendence – sufficient oscillations of these self-inflations as to satisfy consumer needs and desires.

    The world now awaits Wagner’s reinvention of the wheel; another ideological rebranding whose future form of marketing may well be a continuance of the earlier, ‘Wagner’s Wonders!’ campaign!

    John Hannon Reply:

    @Wagner
    Re. your encounter with the village schizo – I guess it takes two to know two.

    Don’t know if the UK has any more psychonauts than the US, but there’s a thriving UK organisation called The Psychedelic Society whose monthly Birmingham bracnch meetings I attend. Perhaps inevitably, a lot of the members are on the lefty SJW spectrum, but they’re a friendly enough bunch and the meetings are generally quite fun. At the one last Thursday, for instance, this locally made short film was premiered which approaches psychedelics with typical Brummie irreverence –

    https://youtu.be/qQP8U7ESNhk

    In the Q&A with the writer and director afterwards, one of them referred to a study that suggests alcohol inclines people to be right wing and psychedelics incline people to be left wing, provoking me to ask whether being a psychonaut who likes a drink should incline me to be a centrist.

    Wagner Reply:

    If they’d been sipping Eleusinian ergot instead of wine in the Symposium there would have been more speeches similar to Socrates’. It’s a bit weird that the Oracle at Delphi grows in plants. Entheogens are like philosophy in that they have to put on a disguise of something they’re not in order to memetically survive. That video with those dorks is so modest, the entheogen hides its true power. What’s funny about prole-art like that is that their ability to be irreverent toward entheogens is only possible because they’ve completely let it drop from their minds what entheogens actually do. They’re satirizing a phantom. Entheogens thrash you around like the ragdoll of the gods that you are. God = pitbull, you = two year old child–see what I mean? this doesn’t entice one toward entheogens. Oh yeah, entities, buddy… the entities are a lot less interesting than what they show you. “Do you want to know how WE see the world?” “Yes?” “Are you sure…?” (Meekly) “Yeaaahh??” And by then it’s too late. The norm is to trash entheogens, I hardly ever read a positive thing about them.. then you start to wonder.. Why wouldn’t they want to trash something that kills the ego so effectively? There’s a real-life, in-the-present, primal religious taboo that surrounds them and stigmatizes them in the imagination of the socius. It’s like the myth of Prometheus, which is nothing more than an old wives’ tale to keep bumbling imbeciles away from psychic power. It has its uses this stigma, it has its uses like burning the library of Alexandria down had its uses: too much knowledge bad, NPC good citizen.. and good citizens good, right? I don’t like to partake in the irreverence of that video. I feel bad for you Hannon that that is the state of your psychonaut club. I was thinking of something Kantbot said today, something to the effect of “We won’t be ready to move on politically until Paul McCartney is dead.” Just imagine saying that around those types.. it’s true though, right? I was a shitlib for a few years, much like Artxell, but if anything, psychedelics increased concomitantly my misanthropy and my awareness of God. IMHO the project of projects is fixing the death of God in the West and certain entheogens are what come to mind as a solution FIRST, even before philosophy. Dead words on a dead page seldom give one a direct experience of the divinity as profound as some of these serotonin-like chemicals. I had a German friend who was pretty rightist and he took ayahuasca and it opened his heart as he said and he stopped caring about the refugee problem aka the Grand Leveling Project of the left, and that’s a possibility, this is risky stuff. I think of it as bio-destiny- if you’re meant to become a leftist, if you take this you will probably become a leftist. My German friend showed plenty of signs that that was who he already was “deep down”. I speculate that there are two basic physiologies: the minority that focuses on evolving past the human, and the majority that seeks to nurture the pre-humans at the price of posthumanism. A lot of these leftie psychonauts I feel are brothers that need a non-shitlib to go on a trip with them for once. The hippies aufheben’d the right, but this current wave has aufheben’d the hippies.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It seems that Wagner cannot conceive of any sublation of the political categories of ‘left’ and ‘right’, beyond the polar characterisation of either. Does he actually understand what ‘aufheben’ means? And then he predicates his notion of progress on a classification hinging around the ‘human’, the ‘all too human’, its prequel and sequel. So a kind of species progressivism caught up in transcendence of that alleged species, all of it allegedly physiologically inscribed, as, moreover, a political category, lol!

    Well, of course, the answer is obvious! ‘Shit’, is the production of the posthuman, post- lots of things, as well, everything that eats and defecates (it ate; defecate; defection from the ‘ate’; hunger strike, lol; starvation, invasion of the star? lol).
    ‘Shit’, aufhebens, irregardless of political physiology, or physiological polity; irregardless of species category.
    Therefore, Wagner, from the dim and dank recesses of his confused consciousness, experiences profound anxiety with regard to this excremental form of transcendence. He is horrified at the everyday enlightenments of its Indian street expressions!
    His Occidental android dogma control system is shaken to its very core! He realises how paltry and insignificant his entheogenic engine of divination is condemned to be, given the mundane, manipulative, and delimited character of his insular reception, one trapped within the structures of Occidental calculation and motivation. He spins out his can-do narratives of engineered spiritual fortune, however, but always with the realisation that they are as nothing in comparison with excremental forms of transcendence, which he wishes to banish, along with all that might be associated with those forms, as he spins on with his tales of tawdry polity, concerning its mechanised roles in the same old Occidental theatricks of self!

    Incidentally, I made up the word, ‘Psychonaut’, somewhere around 1986-7. If there is a precedent before that, I’d be interested to hear about it.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Continuing some of the themes – ECONOMICS OF EXCREMENTAL ESTRANGEMENT

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  • John Hannon Says:

    @ Wagner
    You seem to have missed the point that the “irreverence” of the film was not directed at entheogens themselves, but rather at the ridiculous pretention of certain deluded people who present themselves as “shamanic” guides and gatekeeepers to the experience.

    In any case, in addition to being worthy of reverence, entheogens also have an undeniable comedic aspect. McKenna used to call it the “cosmic giggle,” exemplified by the fact that the entities themselves so often appear as playfull pranksters – laughing gnomes and chortling elves cavorting in a realm more akin to a circus than a temple.
    Thus an irreverent eye for the human comedy and an absurdist sense of humour are among the most appropriate qualities one can bring to the experience.

    @ Artxell
    Did you really invent the word psychonaut?
    I used to be a member of a London based group called “Psychonaut UK” which was formed back in the early 90s but I can’t recall it being used prior to that. Where did it first appear in print?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I first developed the phrase or word, around 1986-7. I hadn’t seen it before, so from my perspective, it was just an ad hoc innovation of a neologism, one based on the fairly obvious association of psychic or ‘inner’ space with ‘astronaut’, I guess. I’ve just realised, ‘naut’, probably comes from ‘nautical’, have to check that.
    So, whether or not I ‘invented’ the word, would be contingent on whether someone else had come up with it before, and perhaps had documentation showing that.

    My use occurred during the writing of this novella, a few pages of which are referred to and reproduced, on my blog, one of which, with a listing of contents, is this – http://visionfiction.theotechne.com/WordPress/?p=928

    There are some people, one or two of whom are semipublic figures, and a publisher, who could attest to my claim. I wouldn’t be at all surprised, though, if the same word appeared back in the 1960s, in some science-fiction story in ‘New Worlds’, or wherever!

    As you can see from the contents page, I came up with the word ‘thoughtport’, as well. Years ago, I looked it up on the Internet, and there was a ‘Thought Port Authority of Chicago’. I don’t think their history went back to the 1980s.

    You should tell Wagner, that the people in the video would probably be considered middle-class, in England, especially in Birmingham. It appears that they own their own house, and are probably young urban professionals, yuppies.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    @ Artxell
    Thanks. Calling ourselves psychonauts, as if we were all intrepid spiritual explorers (We psychonauts of the spirit!) always seemed a bit pretentious to me when, to be honest, we were often just tripping for the sheer hedonistic fun of it. Thus, for me at least, the term “space cadet” would probably be more appropriate.

    @ Wagner
    For a final word on entities, this is an extract from a conversation published in a 1998 edition of the Idler magazine between two UK psychonauts named Tremaine and Ejay –

    T – Mine (talking about the DMT entities he met) were guides, smothering you with affection. Some people have been stroked and cradled, but others have met ones which were not welcoming, not amusing at all.
    E – Yeah, Will ended up on an operating table watching his body being cut open.
    T – Intense man, intense is the word. All these things are symbolic. Witnessing your death is the departure of an old part of you and the birth of a new.
    E – Yeah, but look what happened to Steve, man. He got angry and they got a filing cabinet and shoved it up his arse. He said the sensation was really mad.

    Yes, whatever you do, don’t ever get angry with them!

    Btw, just in case you’ve not read it yet, I highly recommend “Mystery School in Hyperspace – A Cultural History of DMT” by Graham St John. The best book ever written on the subject.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Well I feel like being nice to them here means they are patting my head and saying “good little monkey!” And they probably told me to say that too. The only negative side-effect I got from my last experience is I keep licking my teeth and my lips because I keep becoming aware that I have a mouth. The Land Brand is face-tentacles but I’m not sure we’ll have any mouth-thing in the future. Most of the entities in my experience communicated telepathically. Maybe we will have evolved physically so that our skin works as solar panels and we no longer have to eat. I don’t know, I don’t believe any of this stuff wholeheartedly but one starts to develop theories like this. Mostly what I take from it is that it’s a miracle that communication is even possible at all.

    “Daring, unconcerned, mocking, violent” is Nietzsche’s formula, and this is perfect for THIS world, but if you want to go over THERE, you won’t want to go in with that attitude, take it from me, I’ve been left mute for weeks from trips, sometimes they can rattle you.

    Wagner Reply:

    Something I forgot to mention Hannon:

    A file cabinet up the arse is worth the risk if it’s possible to get a file cabinet of knowledge shoved into your brain. As long as you go in with the right attitude the first will not happen. Many users don’t even talk about bad trips because they think that by even speaking of them they are creating negative energy, which would in turn lead to another bad trip, and there’s merit to that. I don’t believe in noble lies so I’m trying to lay out the (sixth-dimensional?) geography as objectively as possible, which, as you indicated above is a fool’s errand, “preparing one for a psychedelic trip”. lol. My nose just sent out snot that hit my screen after I typed that, oh yeah, noses, don’t get me started on noses. (Really, that’s not something easy to unsee either). What I’m trying to get at here is an old theme of philosophy, “learning how to die”. The best part of reading Montaigne is all the ancient quote-porn that he shares… he’s a glowing example of the ancients’ influence on the renaissance, and the ancients’ influence on the possible renaissance to come.

    “The premeditation of death is the premeditation of liberty; he who has learned to die, has unlearned to serve. There is nothing of evil in life, for him who rightly comprehends that the privation of life is no evil: to know how to die delivers us from all subjection and constraint.”

    The best way to prepare for a trip is to expect that you’re going to die. Remember me talking about amnesia? There is less amnesia if you instantly accept that you are dying instead of fighting it.

    If you want to see the Bardo the price of admission is your death.

    *segues to chimpchat* Thomas > Thomas777, Richard Wagner > Wagner. These are degenerate times we are living in, friends. The greats are our guides, not anyone living now.

    Wagner Reply:

    @Hannon, the facts of the psychedelic experience need to be made clear, this is one with the movement of Total Formalization. People both love and hate the dark enlightenment because it helps one see through the matrix, and these substances do just that, and sometimes a lot more effectively. Yet most trivialize them, and as in that video banalize them, either that or not talk about them at all because they don’t want to be associated with said trivialization. There are two common misconceptions about them: 1. that they’re all euphoria and delusion; people tend to scoff when one asserts that they are capable of bringing about gnosis with a capital G. And 2. that they’re all “visuals”; if someone ever describes a trip by referring to the visuals you can be relatively sure you’re speaking with a hedonist, and there are lots and lots of those (69ron is kind of like this but he’s such a cackling mad chemist I forgive him). Land is over there larping about cinnabar; grow up Land, we already know what the philosopher’s stone is.

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  • John Hannon Says:

    @ Wagner
    “… learning how to die” – or learning that we’ve never actually existed as the separate self entities we presume we are.

    Further to my mention of the Psychedelic Society, it’s finest hour so far (actually 2 hours 20 minutes) was this Psychedelics and Nonduality event –

    https://youtu.be/iIFkSIfbObA

    Some real thought-provoking, diverse presentations there. Just a pity that Land wasn’t a participant.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Open Secret is my favorite to post under for many reasons, one of them is that Leo Strauss is a yugebrain Jew and his commentaries on the classics, especially of antiquity, are, in my mind, impossible to top by any goyim. Heidegger reads himself into everything he ever wrote. H is deeper on one level (reminder that S admired H as the philosopher of their time beside Kojeve, the latter of which he thoroughly lambasted in On Tyranny) but he just keeps talking about remembering Being and it gets boring, like, we’re not going to remember Being if you keep repeating the same shit, H-dog. Strauss has high levels of empathy, he looks at a past master and really tries to get inside his head; H and S are both Nietzscheans, they’re both N-NPCs, to coin a phrase (and I know many on the right are simply reeling at that phrase, “ouch”) but H contracted N’s megalomania, which is really a hubristic narcissism, and Strauss lacks this–though! after reading S for a while you start to see that he too reads himself into texts. But really, check him out, he’s farther to the right than 99% of the frogs. I’ve gotten really deep into Straussianism and it’s still a mystery to me how he’s connected to the Neocons. My conspiracy theory about this is at there is an ORAL (no, not that kind of oral) tradition that tautologically isn’t visible in his books. I haven’t read his stuff on Zionism yet but I’ve gotten a lot of hate under another mask for ennobling the name of Leo Strauss, since he’s associated with the Neo-cons. I think what happened is telephone game. Strauss and his first generation of students are brilliant, and I mean brilliant, rightists. After that it goes to shit. Is there an oral tradition, of “””Optics”””, whatever it is, I don’t want to go in to it. You can learn a lot about optics from Strauss. He too saw BGE as N’s central achievement, he too saw that GM, which is largely taken to be central by the french pomos to be a mere “polemic” in comparison. In his autobio N said that BGE was a “Schule des gentilhomme”; this is how I’ve always looked at the Antiversity.

    I have lots more to say about Nietzscheanism generally (if you’re concerned about the project of knowing thyself then as a Nietzschean you should seek to understand NietzscheanISM as well as you understand NietzschE) but feel panopticonned by NSA or whatever they call their shadow corp amongst themselves. BTW, government official reading this, I want you to come to my house, and get on your knees, and suck my cock. Better today than tomorrow, it’s going to happen eventually, you’re going to help me reach climax like a good head masturbation machine. While you’re obsessed with your work of stalking right-wing trolls online we are hooking up with your wives. “He’s completely lost in his work, he doesn’t spend enough time with me, I’m so sad, I thought he loved me”. I took your wife to the aquarium the other day while you were sweating in front of a computer screen and we held hands. I bet you didn’t know that her favorite animal was the Galapagos turtle did you loser? She told me all kinds of things about you, what you’re insecure about, and we laughed and laughed. She’s a nice girl, you should spend more time with her. Btw, welcome to cyber-espionage, shitstain. Take notes.

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    Wagner Reply:

    This gesamtshitpoast needs some sound:

    https://twitter.com/yanniversace/status/997615517597761536

    P. S.

    Do you feds negotiate with terrorists? Gib me big-budget production of the Oresteia, on the scale of Troy, and I MIGHT make this alllll go away. These are my demands, chop chop.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Obviously, they have collective inferiority.

    ‘You versus we’? Individual versus collective? Definitely sounds like socialist oppression of individuality.
    Dream versus the oppressively squeezing hand?

    There goes the ‘American dream’, bye bye.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I’ve been reading your posts in the voice of Fez, you make me feel like Red, needing to call you a jackass.

    >American dream going bye bye

    Good. Allan Bloom called Benjamin Franklin a peasant and I agree with him. Most on the cyber-right only call themselves patriots for optical purposes. We hate this place. Give us the death penalty, Donald, to us that translates to “one-way ticket out of clownworld”. Blah blah on to the Nietzsche/tragedy connection; this from Cosima’s diary perplexes me:

    “Our poor friend Nietzsche seems to have got quite a lot of his ideas on humanity from Antigone.”

    What could she have meant by this? Anybody have any ideas? Fez? Feds?

    “Sir, he’s talking about ‘tragedy’ and speaking to us directly, this is getting ominous.”

    “Don’t worry, this Turkish plant has reported that he kissed her on the neck. Pretty soon he will be neutralized.”

    I’m literally so schizo that I’ve half-believed the whole time that she was a fed and that making a fed fall in love with me would be peak-REKT. This is what we could call “trolling in the grand style” if my paranoia turns out to have realital basis. I’m a romance-tragedy fluctuation NPC. Back to tragedy:

    “The tragedian establishes the beautiful delusion, the salutary delusion [about the gods and heroes], which the comic poet destroys … tragic poetry enchants, comic poetry disenchants… . There is a fragment of Heraclitus of which one cannot help thinking in this connection. There is one thing and only one thing which is wise, which wishes and also does not wish to be called Zeus, i.e., to be seen in human form. It wishes to be seen, to be called Zeus—tragedy; it does not wish to be called Zeus—comedy.”

    Leo Strauss, On Plato’s Symposium

    I do sympathize with the Chad-respecters that too much thinking can cause anomie and autism but I don’t think we have another choice but to go forward and push our defective forgetfulness-mechanisms to their breaking point. One time I asked a Straussian whitebeard in meatspace what he thought about historicism. He said “I don’t think about it.” I feel reticent unpacking that. I know I slipped up a little mentioning hyperstition the other day but despite N’s advocacy of appearances I still find it unclear whether that was more central to his *complot* than his formalization of priest-consciousness. In the same way that he asked if Socrates deserved his hemlock, I ask if N deserved his insanity. Srsly tho I have like 15 theories on why N lost his marbles. This is gonna sound pedantic bear with me but in Krell’s intro to Heidegger’s Nietzsche he quotes Shakespeare, and that has for a long time stuck with me as one of the most plausible diagnoses:

    https://imgur.com/a/PRszeIo

    Fez? Feds? Any theories of your own?

    “Sir he quoted Shakespeare, I don’t think it would be smart to dox him today.”

    “No shit!”

    “Sir he continues to mock us openly, at what juncture do we assassinate him with a drone?”

    “If you’re not lucky he might take your job some day!”

    *Fed blackout drunk at Christmas party in two months* “Wagner was right!! My wife was cheating on me with multiple men!!”

    In other news I really believe I am getting psychic attacks from people. One morning I had sleep paralysis on and off for TWO HOURS wherein demonic entities were grabbing me by the shoulders and slamming me on my bed giving me whiplash. A lot of weird stuff has been happening to me at night. Evil stuff. Oh yeah that reminds me: during the time N was writing BGE he wrote in his notebook

    “To make an *evil* book someday, worse than Machiavelli…”

    So he thought BGE was insufficiently evil, but this seems to indicate that this was an ideal on his mind while writing BGE and probably affected how it came out. The ideal of contemporary Nietzscheans is to write an eviler book than Nietzsche.

    “[Machiavelli] has discovered new modes and orders which he opposes to the old and established modes and orders. He has discovered and explored territory hitherto inaccessible to men of his kind. He begins a war against the established order–a new war in a new land against a new enemy of the highest possible reputation. But he is a captain without an army. He must recruit his army. He can recruit it only by means of books.”

    Leo Strauss, Thoughts on Machiavelli

    Books, shitpoasts….

    Btw, that the Bapbook is the evilest Nietzschean book to be published in recent times is probably too obvious to state. Definitely too much of a doctrinaire approach to neetch but I only say this cuz it takes one to know one. Synchronously, I read N’s memory-holed “We Philologists” notes a little while after reading BAM and saw lots of connections; Just reskimming it now here is what sticks out to me:

    “There are things about which antiquity is instructive, about which I would hardly care to express myself in public.” – BAM crosses this line

    “I see in classicists *a conspiratorial society which
    wants to educate the young in classical culture*. I could
    understand it if this group and its aims were criticized
    on all sides. Then a great deal would depend on knowing
    what these classicists *mean* by “classical culture.””

    BAM is probably going to prod these limping dwarves out into the open where they’ll be eaten alive by wolf packs.

    “It is therefore a matter of professional
    self-interest to prevent a purer view of antiquity from
    emerging; above all, the view that antiquity makes a
    man un-modern in the deepest sense.
    Secondly, it is in the professional interest of philologists
    to prevent the appearance of any view of the teachers
    mission higher than they are capable of satisfying.”

    And the best of all, N’s Chad vs. virgin meme prototype:

    Wagner Reply:

    https://imgur.com/a/G8Hn5kF

    Another good book that can help provide a meta-view of BAM is Heidegger’s interpretation of N’s 2nd Untimely Meditation. (The UM period is highly underrated imo). Maybe more later, I feel talkative today.

    Wagner Reply:

    Speaking of talkativeness, within the top two of the most memory-holed concepts in Nietzsche’s corpus is the pathos of distance. You can study that for yourself, I don’t feel like going out on a limb all the time for lazy fuckers that don’t want to read anything but blog posts and the low-iq micro-info that the tweet “form” allows.

    The ultimate irony of the NPC meme is that gamers themselves are NPCs. If you spend decades playing video games instead of reading books you’re going to turn out retarded. Gamers and incels are coddled but what I think they need is a boot in the ass, or at the very least a firm hand. I am a schizophrenic but I still attest that me and logo discussed this issue astrally. No no this is just a hyperstition.

    What is the first most memory-holed concept in N’s corpus? I’ve read lots of worthless commentaries on N, and a few good ones (maybe a list of good 2ndaries someday) but one passage sticks out to me as what makes their heads explode with the most force. They dedicate WAY too much time to this passage, I think it messes with them. From the Pale Criminal chapter of TSZ:

    “Thus speaks the scarlet judge: ‘But why did this criminal murder?
    He wanted to rob.’ But I say to you all: his soul wanted blood, not
    loot; he was thirsting for the joy of the knife!”

    The media is scapegoated while the academy is the brains of the operation. Stab the brain.

    Does this man look guilty to you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqMZrMx6mkM

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Hello, Ork-erica.

    Your alleged schizophrenia is a result of identification with the tradition that has produced precisely what you hate. You’re trying to find answers or insights from a tradition of reactive writers that weren’t able to do much beyond inscribing their own melancholy and anger. You’ve allowed that to become the limiting horizon of your expressions and basic understanding. That programmes a world-system of operations, a system of reception and response, to which you become increasingly conditioned.

    Your standard conspiracy interpretations go back around 1000 years. Even the ones against government. The original figure is Anglo-Saxon peasant reaction against Norman rule. It’s a Germanic circuit of self-hatred, both Anglo-Saxons and Normans were Germanic people. That figured circuit plays out quite strongly in the USA because of the historical constitution of its founding populations, puritans and criminality. In a lot of ways, the USA is caught in its own time loop, which is why you keep going back to Friedrich Nietzsche.

    Wagner Reply:

    Freakin Fez, debating with you is like firing a sniper rifle at point-blank range over and over- gets old. Nah you’ve grown on me, I’d probably let you crash on my couch if you were in town, and I know you’d do the same for me though you might not admit it. This is actually a solid, if only partial explanation of the tension that makes my head want to burst:

    “Your alleged schizophrenia is a result of identification with the tradition that has produced precisely what you hate.”

    I’ve said the same thing in different ways many times, specifically when I’ve warned that going back to Christianity is just going to lead to the same hell on earth (*inhibits self from going on an antichristian tirade*). I predicted that you were going to log in to gloat when I spoke in terms of Tibetan Buddhism the other day so good on you, maybe you’ve grown up a little. Point is, why do you think I’m constantly invoking concepts from the world religions? I recognize the Western tradition as deficient. So try again; your summations of me and my fellow travelers are almost always pure caricatures. The MO of derridean wankers is subversion, not truth-seeking, so you can’t color me shocked. As a derridean don’t you have any theories on why N went insane?? Don’t spout one of those physiological garbage theories, I don’t buy them. Here’s a good one, in Kabbalese:

    https://imgur.com/a/qJ4TKty

    God, why can’t that be me.

    Oh yeah I’ve been bottling something up to level at the entheogen-disrespecters…

    MOMMY

    The bad man told me to go to the place you go when you die

    MOMMY

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    What you’re calling subversion is merely a technique to unpack traditional logocentrisms. Whether those logocentrisms are truths, or not, is another question. Whether the so-called subversion is actually subversive, or not, is another question.

    Your output is a caricature from the beginning, you don’t see that, because you don’t do any formal analysis of ideas. You work very much within stock positions, elaborating along mostly simplistic and obvious lines of extension. That’s probably a result of your having political commitments from the outset. It’s why you reduce everything to existential concepts, the Nietzschean and Heideggerian playgrounds. It’s easier to talk a lot there, without understanding anything.
    It’s all in the service of ‘soap opera philosophy’; highly social and anthropomorphic; driven mostly by the desperation to report banal novelty of predictable opinion, or perception of allegedly neglected and misunderstood minoritarian tradition; as new and serious, philosophical thought. These are typical symptoms of intellectual inferiority, in philosophy, because the reports are characterised and configured by a structure of normative assumptions indicating the reporter’s theoretical limitations and characteristic horizons of incompetence. If you’ve actually had training in philosophy, there aren’t really any excuses, so it seems you’ve resorted to political slumming and playground mystifications as compensation.

    Such standard, political flights, aren’t productive of philosophical or spiritual insight. Heraclitus outlined that area for the West, a long time ago. You don’t seem to have anything interesting to say beyond that. The alleged deficiency of the tradition you otherwise valorise as supreme, resides within you. It’s your choice to continually cultivate that deficiency. Declaring that deficiency, over and over again, is only attention-seeking without talent.

    As Cicero said – “People always hate that which is greater than themselves”.
    Hate is the usual haven for the talentless (All-Trite, “All ambition, but no ability.”), who reside in militarised regimes of high expectations, such as the USA. When lacking an actual history of injustice against themselves that exceeds those of others, they are forced to invent one. But as the invention is based on a lack of talent, it is characterised by production criteria of quantity, requiring considerable industry, but no quality. This, then, is the industry of hate catering to the talentless, driven by status obsessions with deficiency and superiority, those status obsessions ironically displacing the very talents being sought. To the degree that structures of status obsession activate such displacement, seems to be the degree to which inventions of imaginary injustice are produced. Because those inventions are actually untrue, the culture of those inventions is doomed to circle industriously within fictions exclusive of talents it can only idealise.

    Virulent anti-Semitism is one of those fictions. It isn’t exactly new. It starts off as a literary genre of resentful inventions industrially produced by Anglo-Saxon peasantry. It’s just resentment against Norman rule, unjustly deflected onto captive Jewish instruments of that rule. If there’s any conspiracy going on, it’s Norman and Anglo-Saxon.
    Your production of that virulence is historically conditioned, habitual production, an automatic reflex reaction of peasant ‘vice signalling’, throwing a tantrum that says to the Norman ‘elites’, how evil and despicable you’ve prepared yourself to be, if you don’t get what you want.
    Your problem, Wagner, is that you have actually become evil and despicable. Evidently, you consider that to be your only talent.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    {AK}: “Your alleged schizophrenia is a result of identification with the tradition that has produced precisely what you hate.”

    That statement is about reactive tradition, all the stuff you’re nostalgic about, Wagner, not so much Christianity.

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  • Wagner Says:

    This is the most based and redpilled thing I’ve ever seen:

    https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2018/10/24/xinjiang-expedition/

    “and perhaps a preview of future governance”

    Sorry Artxell but if it were up to me you’d be placed in a camp immediately, “lol”.

    #GulagRight

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    They are mistreating Uyghur Muslims, so it’s more likely to be you detained in those camps, Wagner. Your brand of right-wing Nietzschean existentialism shares essentially the same values as fundamentalist Islam.

    China is producing more patents than the USA.
    If the USA had the same population as China, what would it be like?
    You would have had Civil War long ago.
    But you did have Civil War long ago, it didn’t really stop, did it, Wagner?
    Both you and Colitis (Colen Ryan) are rotting and rusty filing cabinets from a hallucinated war room. Those cabinets are full of outdated reports, bad ideas, and old books, that you don’t understand. None of it works as an argument, on every level the two of you are relentlessly incompetent. So that only leaves the hallucinated war room, an argument you both incessantly keep referring to, because that’s all the two of you have. Two status robots, trying to hide their class resentments, inferiority, and bigotry, in a nuclear winter of self-hate (Wagner – “Most on the cyber-right only call themselves patriots for optical purposes. We hate this place.”).

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The USA is an insane, narcotic economy, the progenitor of Latin American, drug baron states, like Colombia.
    The toy of militarily imposed, unilinear history, has nostalgic appeal to those people of limited comprehension, such as Richard Spencer.

    From “The Coming War on China”, by John Pilger

    USA’s ‘China trade’

    [42:42] [narrator of Fu Manchu film] Behind the mask of Fu Manchu.

    [42:48] [Johnathan Pilger] This caricature of an entire people concealed another agenda, opium. For the American elite, in the 19th century, China was a gold mine of drugs.

    [James Bradley, author ‘The China Mirage’] Warren Delano, the grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the American opium King of China. He was the biggest American opium dealer, second to the British. He welcomed the first American ship into China, to help out with the opium wars, and much of the East Coast of America, Columbia; Harvard; Yale; Princeton; were born from opium money.
    The American Industrial Revolution was funded by huge pools of money. Where did this come from? It came from illegal drugs, in the biggest market in the world, China.

    [Johnathan Pilger] Let me get this right, the grandfather of arguably the most liberal president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was a drug runner?

    [James Bradley, author ‘The China Mirage’] Yes sir, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, never made much money in his life. He had public service jobs that were very lowly paid, but he had yachts, he had summer homes, he had mansions in New York City;
    the kids went to private schools. He inherited a fortune from Warren Delano, his father, who was the American opium king of China. If you scratch anyone with the name, Forbes, in in their name; John Forbes Kerry, Secretary of State, John Forbes Kerry.

    [Johnathan Pilger] That’s the president’s Secretary of State.

    [James Bradley, author ‘The China Mirage’] Yes sir, you’ll find opium money, his great-grandfather was an opium dealer. How big was opium money?
    Opium money built the first industrial city in the United States, Lowell, Massachusetts. It built the first five railroads in the United States. Opium money, all over the East Coast, but it wasn’t talked about, it was called the China trade, and if you go to various museums, you can see teas and silks exhibited; and they keep quiet about all that big opium money.

    [Johnathan Pilger] In the scramble to get opium money China was invaded and colonized by Britain and the other imperial powers. Foreign armies grabbed whole swathes of China. This is the American
    army in Tiananmen Square, Peking, in 1900. Great cities like Shanghai were taken over and declared ‘concessions’, and foreigners lived a life of privilege and luxury amidst terrible poverty imposed on the Chinese.
    [Music]
    [Johnathan Pilger] A resistance known as the Boxer Rebellion was put down with a savagery. This rape of China set the tone for how China was perceived in the West, well into the 20th century. This is the
    distinguished historian, Theodore H. White, an advisor to the White House, speaking in the 1960s.

    [Theodore H. White] Perhaps, China is too vast to be governed by mercy. Yet if Chinese mind craves order, they must be brought to recognize they are the biggest factor in the world’s disorder, and we must untangle the madness of their mind. The most difficult task in the world, is to reach the minds of men who hate you.

    [Johnathan Pilger] What White was really complaining about was the loss of a China that the Imperial West could dominate, and the defeat of General Chiang Kai-Shek, who with his famously powerful Christian wife, Maeling Sung (Soong Mei-ling), guarded America’s interests in China. That is, until they were thrown out in 1949 by a Communist revolution led by Mao Zedong.

    It’s interesting that cocaine, the drug of corporate capitalism and aggression, constitutes the US market that Latin American drug barons cater to.

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    Wagner Reply:

    See, there are three basic options on how to proceed:

    1. Exit/patchwork. This is the libertarian option that Land tends to align with, for optical reasons or not maybe we’ll never know. My beef with this is that people in power with your ideological predisposition should have to atone for their crimes, and I don’t think it is “justice” to let them just meander off skipping and smiling after all the degeneration they’ve deliberately caused, to do *the same thing again* in a different patch.

    2. Gulag/reeducation. This is the idealist, some might say humanist option. I side with this the most because I see most of the people of your ideological predisposition to be “bio-bots” that simply need a change of programming to be good citizens. My beef with this is that many of them are like YOU, i.e. tenacious, single-minded, “bought and sold”, or in the words of Bill Hicks, “a company man, til the bitter fucken end”; some programming, especially if it’s set-in for multiple decades as is the case with your geriatric ass, is unable to be altered.

    3. Genocide. This is the “Collen Ryan” option, and the most brutal and cold of the three- some would say the most practical. The argument runs as follows: unless we wipe them out they’re going to keep causing trouble, and one day, maybe even several generations from now, might secure total global victory, bringing about the reign of the Last Man. My beef with this is that I believe in human potential to some extent and there are many great minds that we could lose that only need to be “snapped out of it”.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It looks like you don’t have anything to say, you’re ascribing ‘ideological predispositions’ of your own invention, in order to keep within the range of hackneyed, ideological convention.

    Here are some old comments, didn’t get round to posting them before.

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  • Wagner Says:

    In honor of nofap november, which I’ve already failed for reasons of nosex tilmarriage (the turk has been dolling herself up lately):

    from Man Without a Shadow: the Diary of an Existentialist:

    “I think of a red-haired boy called Barrett who talked of nothing but sex. One day, I heard two of his friends laughing about him. They had been to the theatre the night before, and in the ‘gods’ had picked up three little girls. Barrett disappeared into the back street with his girl: when his friends went to look for him, he was having sex against a dustbin. They called to him, but he was apparently unable to stop. The boys imitated his motion obscenely, jerking the hips back and forward like a dog with a mechanical motion. This stuck in my mind for a long time–sex as the force that turned men into dogs. The worst of it was that, even so, I envied Barrett.”

    Or maybe Aristotle will better stick in your mind:

    “To begin with the Youthful type of character.
    Young men have strong passions, and tend to
    gratify them indiscriminately. Of the bodily
    desires, it is the sexual by which they are most
    swayed and in which they show absence of self-control.
    They are changeable and fickle in their
    desires, which are violent while they last, but
    quickly over: their impulses are keen but not
    deep-rooted, and are like sick people’s attacks of
    hunger and thirst.”

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I wrote this recently. on Facebook, concerning various contemporary philosophers.

    “Sometimes one just can’t be bothered to read verbiage and tendentious reasonings emanating from a struggle with dogmatic inculcations to which one never subscribed, in the first place. Observing such tortured processions of micro-revelations leading to obvious conclusions, can only be justified when it’s done very well. It’s not really worthwhile, otherwise.”

    It applies even more strongly to Nick Land, mould bug, colitis, and you.
    Nick Land, at least, and when he’s on, writes well.
    Colitis, some months ago, actually came up with two lines, which I saw in my email notifications, that weren’t too bad. There’s no doubt that his stream of rationalisations was beginning to incorporate the stylistic features of discourses that he was trying to contend with. He was getting better. It’s like watching monkeys on typewriters starting to write bits of Shakespeare.
    Your project obviously is to spread the structural limits of your politicised reception and understanding into every discursive nook and cranny that you can find. It’s an attempt to reduce theoretical and philosophical complexity to the existential literalism of that naive understanding. It’s one reason why you avoid any philosophy involving logical analysis, choosing those of cultural analysis, instead. It’s the reason why your explorations contradict your assertions, in a way that you seem entirely unaware of.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    The spectacle of Anglo-Saxon resentment against Norman rule, attempting to portray itself as a victim of neo-Third World exploitation, has now reached the Oval Office, where it happily continues that Norman rule and all of its exploitations, more than ever, whilst it simultaneously rebels against the tactical veneer of egalitarian universalism deployed by that Norman rule, as public relations instrument and pretext of its depredations, as if that veneer were some kind of ‘deep state’.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    Incessantly turgid repetition of the millennium old, lying projection, based on displaced resentment against Norman sovereigns, seems to be your only contribution to philosophical discourse, Wagner. Hatred and deception aren’t exactly innovations, but I guess that they are egalitarian limitations appealing to the talentless, who can regard them as accomplishments.

    Bach was great, Wagner was just a banal, ‘song and dance’, man.
    It’s interesting that you chose such a banal identification, rather than inventing one for yourself.

    ‘People always hate that which is greater than themselves.’ Cicero

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    John Hannon Reply:

    @ Artxell

    “Wagner was just a banal ‘song and dance’ man.”

    Seriously Artxell, you can’t possibly be serious here. Richard Wagner was one of the greatest sonic sculptors to have ever walked the earth.
    Plug in some decent speakers, turn out the lights (ignore the accompanying film if you find it too distracting), maybe smoke a joint or two, and just let the music take you –

    https://youtu.be/dOXmrVR00RI

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    In comparison to Bach, quite literally Wagner is a ‘song and dance man’. Did JS Bach do opera? It’s possible to do a conspiracy theory about the even-tempered scale and insidious, choral-psychological herding, even as a legitimate possibility. But I’m not going to do that now.
    To what extent, is the Wagnerian mechanism the cybernetics of compositing mythology and melodrama? Et cetera

    “With buildings beyond social or economic rationality nor a purpose beyond the political-ideological one.”

    There’s a curatorial ideology, with a unilinear history, museum-archive architectures of prior monumentalisms, ‘civilisations’ selected on the basis of their tangibly impressive architectural achievements. Berlin as centre of world power; centralising cybernetic project, imprisoned by the inspirations of compensatory monumentalism.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The mere size of the interior and niche would have reduced Hitler or any other speaker to an unrecognisable optical nonentity”

    Here is the spirit that cannot be seen; the sublime power of a vast nature conveyed through the channelling of monumental architecture; nature harnessed by the power of a cultural idea?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “A problem was that the breath of 150,000-180,000 spectators would have risen, into the dome and fallen back as indoor rain”

    Breathing together; Spiritus, -atem.
    An ecosystem whereby the very environment is literally spiritualised with their own respirations; an ecosystem where the people can live entirely in themselves as their own environment. In this scenario, the Protestant vision of a godless, natural world, of endless struggle, is overcome by the monuments of joint labour. Monuments which can produce their own versions of the sublime. The threat of nature is symbolically kept at bay by the tangibility of the monument, and the community of that monument. The ecstasy of building, both monument and disciplinary community, configures itself in advance, as conspiracy, as structured alienation of the enemy, which is always the Protestant category of a sublime, but threatening, God deprived, nature.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “On top of the dome a 40 m high lantern made of glass and light metal would have been the halls only natural light source”

    Together with the displacement of nature by self-spiritualised, ecosystems of monumental selfhood, the tiny provision of sunlight, suggests vast underground caverns, as in the hollow earth theory. As though the Germanic peoples originated deep underground, perhaps Plato’s allegory of the Cave refers to this? Were they driven out of those underground caverns, or did they migrate to the surface, of their own accord? Traumatised by the challenges of those surface conditions, has there been an unconscious drive to recreate the subterranean habitats of ancestral memory?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “In that time he also thought about renaming Berlin into Germania since Berlin was a symbol for the unification of the German tribes while Germania the new Berlin – should become a symbol for the reunification of all Germanic people”

    Here is the cultural idea, organised national forms giving way to super-tribal organisation. The subterranean, Germanic conspiracy?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The world’s biggest staircase from where Goering wanted to proclaim the ‘parole of the year’ to his men”

    The speech events of Goering as proletarian parole for his men? An annual parole, where his men are released from the labours of their ‘monu-mental sentencing’, to receive the inspiring, tribal liturgy of subterranean conspiracy?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Is this the origin, then, of the modern conspiracy form?
    The profitable play with cultural occlusions, the exploitation of cultural differences, in endless, shell games, of every sort of piracy? The anxiety of subterranean/surface; national/offshore; government/deep state; national/international; all these binary anxieties, and many more, each one an exploitable conspiracy.
    Where does this conspiracy trade begin? In what cultural event of primal anxiety did it receive its most powerful impetus? An impetus carrying it to global extent?
    Where and when, does the modern conspiracy form, the industrial production of falsehood, emerge as profitable calculations of background xenophobia?

    “Anthony Julius finds that the English were endlessly imaginative in inventing anti-Semitic allegations against the Jews. He says that England became the “principal promoter, and indeed in some sense the inventor of literary anti-Semitism.”[16] In his book, Julius argues that blood libel is the key, because it incorporates the themes that Jews are malevolent, constantly conspiring against Christians, powerful, and merciless. 7[h—t—tps:/—/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England#Attitudes_of_the_kings]”

    The story originates in feudal exploitation, in which religious differences over financial conduct were capitalised on by the English monarchy, the Norman invaders.
    So the Norman conquest was the vector for initial entry of the Jewish Diaspora into Britain. The context is financial from the outset.In addition to finance, there were factors of religious intensification, increasing Christian piety, which brought the differences between the Judaic and Christian into an increased relevance. To be of the Hebrew faith, became increasingly precarious in the early centuries of the millennium, a context of insecurity in which Jewish identifications took on a distinct status in accord with the functional relationship of their feudal role between Norman sovereignty and Anglo-Saxon peasantry.

    Does the feudal pattern of resentful, ‘peasant reaction’, against ‘noble exploitation’, repeat itself within the USA, within bourgeois modernity, and within the contemporary; as the conflict between American middle and working classes against the so-called ‘Ivy League, liberal elites’ of the US East Coast?
    Do those so-called, ‘liberal elites’, function as de facto Norman nobility, within this millennium old, habitual Anglo-Saxon narrative? Do their associations with Europe, and with any so-called ‘Jewish financial interests’; the natural result of international trade, but so beloved by USA conspiracy theorists; receive undue emphasis because they repeat the same originary structure as the initial, or primal, Norman Conquest trauma?
    Norman nobility vs. Anglo-Saxon peasantry, in the ‘New World’ of the Americas?

    Puritan figurations of xenophobia: Witch hunting; a popular export to the USA, was fashionable in that location, long after it disappeared from the UK.
    McCarthyite, Communist witch hunting
    Liberal, Conservative-racist-sexist-bigot witch hunting
    All-Trite and Neoreactionary, ‘virtue signalling’ witch hunting
    The next development, logically, would be ‘vice signalling’ witch hunting
    Wagner, he’s the witch, there he is!!! Et cetera (given Wagner’s considerable interest in the Occult, it might be difficult for him to evade such accusations)

    It isn’t difficult to work out. Every modern conspiracy is based on that puritan model of production. The site of greatest, quantitative, conspiracy production, is the USA, more specifically, the southern and rural USA, though the culture, of course, has global extent. That puritan model, began in England and migrated to the USA, where it has its most virulent form. Susceptible to hysterical involution, it produces combinatoric variations of the same self-serving fictions of stereotypical antipathy, people like Wagner and Colitis (Collen Ryan). There are, of course, other forms of xenophobia than the germinal, Anglo-Saxon-Norman form, other, even, than the Germanic forms; but these all get drawn together by various forms of alliance, fresh infusions of hysteria.

    But if the only form of actual conspiracy, is the most open and obvious one of the Anglo-Saxon-Norman, imperial context of its industrial-historical production, a production that begins with interplay between the instruments of finance, religion, and xenophobic fiction, what rationale does it follow, where does it receive its account?

    If John Pilger’s documentary, “The Coming War on China”, shows the typical doubledealing misrepresentations of the USA; then, “The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire (Documentary)“, shows the other, ongoing British side, of the Anglo-American partnership, mentioned by Allan Ramsay:

    “It is interesting to note that Allan Ramsay likewise deplored “a friendly alliance between the camp and the counting-house” for exactly the same reasons (Letters on the Present Disturbances, p.34). Ramsay maintained that of the evil consequences of such alliance “the two last wars carried on by England against France and Spain, furnish a most melancholy illustration. To obtain the sole and exclusive commerce of the western world, in which the French and Spaniards were their rivals, was the modest wish of our merchants, in conjunction with our Americans. The fair, and truly commercial, method of effecting this would have been, by superior skill, industry and frugality, to have undersold their rivals at market: but that method appearing slow and troublesome to a luxurious people, whose extraordinary expences* required extraordinary profits, a more expeditous one was devised; which was that of driving their rivals entirely out of the seas, and preventing them from bringing their goods at all to market. For this purpose, not having any fleets or armies of their own, the powers of the State were found necessary, and they applied them accordingly” (ibid., pp.32 f.).

    Knorr, K. E. ‘Ch02-Part2 British Colonial Theories 1570-1850’. In British Colonial Theories, 1570-1850. The University of Toronto Press, 1944.”

    The question concerning rationale and receiving of account, has a structural answer. Essentially, the entire globe has been held captive, in one way or another, by Norman rule and the theatrics of Anglo-Saxon distraction. The instrument of that captivity is the oldest, continuing financial system, in the world. It began with William the Conqueror, and the Domesday book. If Jonathan Pilger is right, it might be brought to an end by the aggressions of its US progeny, in “The Coming War on China”.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You showed your human side in this post, that was cool. It’s been a while since you’ve done that.

    This is what I meant when I said people just need to be snapped out of it. When robots remember they’re acting like robots they become more human.

    I realize that by my own logic I’m a robot in a way but what you say to me doesn’t do the trick to snap me out of it. I’ve known a few Indians of high-caste blood in meatspace and they didn’t have the vengeance you seem to dress up in your verbosity. I say that as a fellow nietzschoid freak that sees contradictions in everything everyone says and subsequently doesn’t have m/any real friends.

    My “deconstruction” of your post would be the Socratic curiosity: what do you mean by “xenophobic”? If that term is meant to denote the fear of aliens I think you are off. There is plenty of detritus on the cyber-right (“All-trite” is trite now, I know you can think up a more sardonically damaging counter-label) but in the more nuanced strata of thoughtspace we are already beyond that. Don’t worry, you, Land, Mike, Jim, etc. actually find yourselves in a similar boat in that you’re too old to truly grasp what we’re trying to tell you–but you’re in good company, and that will be my fate someday, to be picked apart by the younger generations, so live vicariously through this anticipation.

    So I’ll repeat again because you’re my friend and I know your habits by now: what do you mean by xenophobia? What does that word mean to you?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    There is more than one form of xenophobia.
    Xenophobia, merely refers to the fear of the strange.
    Therefore, whatever the quality of strangeness is attributed to, is that which is feared.
    Given the context of the comment; Nick Land’s blog, and its comments; the discourses of the All-Trite and Neoreaction, et cetera; the specific form of feared strangeness ought not to be that obscure.

    That such strangeness might, in actuality and practice, be composed of elements themselves thought to be ‘strange’, on first glance, is not at all unusual. Even the simplest form of strangeness can be structured in complex ways, inclusive of that which it might otherwise seem to proscribe. All these variations are obvious.

    It’s a bit ironic for you to talk about the vapidity of internet fashion, in one comment; then distinguish its generational conditions of comprehension, in this comment; all whilst raving about old books and ancient philosophers.

    You do realise that ‘meatspace’ and ‘thoughtspace’ are old, ‘cyberspace fiction’, phrases.
    I’m not really interested in anyone else’s nuances, I have an inexhaustible supply of my own.

    Wagner Reply:

    “I’m not really interested in anyone else’s nuances, I have an inexhaustible supply of my own.”

    Autist detected.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I’m not interested in empathising with bedroom basement psychopaths, such as yourself, Wagner.

    Wagner Reply:

    I feel like a circus ring-leader: watch this animal Artxell evade and evade again, no he is a high-caste Indian, watch him jump through the rings like a good domesticated wild beast.

    Wagner Reply:

    Artxell: “Give non-white people free money.”

    Me: “Why?”

    Artxell: “BECAUSE!!! BECUAWUSEUS@@@@@@!!!!”

    Me: “What?”

    Artxell: “EZCUSE ME I MISPOKE I MEANT TO SAY BECAUSSSSEEEREEEEEE@@@@!!!!!!”

    Me: “Wtf?”

    Artxell: “GIVE US FREE STUFF YOU PIECE OF SHITTT!!!!! REEEEEE@@@@@@”

    Me: “What in the name of”

    Wagner Reply:

    Here’s a shorter answer. Nigger.

    Wagner Reply:

    https://vocaroo.com/i/s1WEtiFjG5e8

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I’m not interested in empathising with bedroom basement psychopaths, such as yourself, Wagner.

    Not interested, Wagner.
    You’re a bedroom basement psychopath, Wagner, completely trapped in financial determinations of freedom, imagining yourself speaking with the freedom of a billionaire. Don’t you see how laughable you are?
    You’ve made it plain that you’re virulently racist and anti-Semitic, Wagner, your Halloween message to “@Jews” shows your sick nature. Your comment before that one, predicted the atrocity your Halloween message was mocking. That could suggest your involvement? Whatever authority is left in the USA,

    I mentioned in another comment that you’ve become evil and despicable. That’s your choice. It isn’t likeable, though.

    John Hannon Reply:

    @ Artxell

    Had Germania been built it would most likely have outlived the ideology that produced it and its buildings would have been repurposed. Imagine for instance victorious Nazi ideology gradually being subverted over the decades by increasingly widespread empathanogen use, such that Germania’s monumental spaces eventually host celebrations comparable to Berlin’s famous Love Parades, and the Great Hall of The People becomes a venue for massive rave parties.
    Of course rave culture itself was just another passing phase, but it was the best time ever while it lasted, as can be glimpsed in the ecstatic multiracial unity of this event which once temporarily repurposed an indoor market in my home city –

    https://youtu.be/aVQFVOP14y0

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    That event, that repurposed market of musical movement, is, like the regimented, monumental celebration, a breathing together, a conspiracy of rhythmic and random choreography, I guess, of individuality.
    You’re right, though, while the Nazis officially banned jazz, they were still dancing to it. Django Reinhardt, the gypsy jazz genius, was free, the Nazis even requested him to perform.
    In real conditions, people often regiment themselves, according to varying and available criteria. But that’s very different from the kinds of ideological regimentation that have festered and grown on the Internet. It’s been going on for over 20 years, by all reports. It’s led to a scenario where the most trivial events receive instant, viral inflations, of public hysteria. The Internet has become a machine of ballooning spectacles of ecstatic scrutiny. It’s a lot more than that, there’s good stuff, as well. Ecstatic scrutiny can even be a good thing, when it’s done well, if it leads to better informed improvements. That doesn’t really seem to be happening so much, though. Given the nature of people, the problems might be structural, requiring radical rethinking of what’s going on.
    The video was interesting, I knew people who were into that scene, still do. It led me onto a personal reverie of general reminiscences, too much to recount.

    Wagner Reply:

    “your Halloween message to “@Jews” shows your sick nature. Your comment before that one, predicted the atrocity your Halloween message was mocking. That could suggest your involvement?”

    Fed: “Did you or did you not use ‘voodoo’ to murder those Jews?”

    Me: “Is that a serious question?”

    Wagner Reply:

    @Hannon that gives me an idea… part of the gulag reeducation could involve psychedelic raves wherein right-wing messages are subliminally intoned in the music. I’ve brainwashed a few normies using LSD and they were the better for it. Hey Artxell when are you coming over to my house??

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Peasant, vice signalling, using compensatory, millennium-old, ethnographic and colonial fictions, over and over, again and again.
    Wagner, the loud, devious, and lonely; millennium-old, financial system, vice signalling, peasant servomechanism. The bedroom basement psychopath, with nothing else to say, hiding his emptiness and self-hatred in anti-government, ideology cybertheatre. Rolling the coal, rolling the role. Trucking with inventions of self-hatred.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    An interesting point Colitis admitted, was the need for an ethnocentric screen of the ‘white collective’ in order to produce the comforts of ethnocentric advantage, presumably because the testing grounds of multicultural openness usually show those comforts as the default, compensatory architectures of dishonesty, that they are, at least in the case of those like himself.

    Emphasising ethnocentric scaremongering, displaces attention from such habits of cultural dishonesty, producing a theology of ethnocentric celebration; one dredged up by the losers of a competition that they never stopped subscribing to, except on the accusatory grounds of a so-called, multicultural corruption, their own incessant practice of which they always seem reluctant to acknowledge.

    Whatever seems to threaten persisting traces of subcultural, colonial advantage, affects most of all those whose dependency on compensatory architectures of dishonesty is greatest. For those with high levels of status anxiety and hubris, but with low levels of ability, such compensatory structures effectively constitute their self-identity. Questioning such compensations, questions that self-identity, questions its contradictions, delusions, and hypocrisy. The resulting hysteria of chaotic and contradictory reasonings is an unavoidable symptom or reaction of such questioning, as this form of dishonest, self-identity, seeks everywhere for justification, eventually arriving at the reductions of survivalist ideology as its characteristically simplistic habitat.

    From such an impoverished location, no justifications are necessary, all biases and contradictions are permitted. At base, it’s an irrational and existentialist consumerism, unable to discern any relations or ideas beyond those of positivist commodification. That culture of positivist commodification configures all its attempts to mythologise whatever it imagines to be beyond that culture, ironically, according to a commercial enthusiasm conforming to populist and consumerist appeal. This is a horizon of belonging in which such enthusiasts can offer the productions of their diseased imaginations as factual reports on allegedly novel developments which only they seem to discern. In truth, they are giving expression to a loss of self-identity, an expression directed to

    Reading old books
    trying to repeat old traditions
    it’s a nostalgic project of identity recovery

    Rolling coal and producing fumes of noxious resentment, isn’t exactly a self-improvement strategy. It only evangelises the unfortunate and unnecessary limitations of a stubborn and default inferiority. It’s an outlook where demons hallucinated or projected without, are merely invited back in as a pretext for resentful possessions, as indicated by this blog’s title. It’s a deliberate choice by those who can’t regain their nostalgic self-delusions.

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    Wagner Reply:

    sigh Okay I’m going to try to be real with you. I’ve been talking with you for so long that it just seems like you keep repeating the same things. You don’t know how to have a conversation. I ask you questions and you avoid them. Rohme did this too, constantly. Can you just answer the one question I asked: Why did Nietzsche go insane? It drives ME insane. I told you before that to Nietzscheans, Derrideans are “that” cousin that you pretend you’re not related to. I don’t think you’ll ever trust me when I tell you that we’re similar enough that I can understand you and kind of see some of your flaws. I judge a man by his assessment of Nietzsche’s insanity.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    From whence does the determination of madness derive? What system of sanity, what phonocentric economy of ‘sound mind’, determines that exclusion?
    Was a Cartesian and humanist model of exclusion being abandoned, or revised, when he understood the transcendent nobility and freedom of the horse that was being whipped?

    If you’re not able to consider all the usual options attaching to the question, developing an understanding that transcends them all, without neglecting their relations to the systematic of the true, you’re asking to be whipped into reductive comforts of a determination, because you’re unable to develop satisfactory understandings of your own.

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  • Boldmug Says:

    Something that really needs to be said is that if you are a billionaire who doesn’t say WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS, WHENEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS, you are pathetic. I do that and I’m not even a billionaire. Are you pathetic or are you pathetic? There’s no option c here.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Your conception of freedom of expression seems to be contingent on a system of financial determination.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Rabble everywhere is the main problem. Here, twitter, blogspots, forums. There are masters that can free us of this. A return to the dead geniuses is needed.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Now you’re looking for ‘Masters’? Or you claim to have found them?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You seem to be capitalising the liberty of that financial determination, emphasising the equating of liberty of expression with a financial determination, of the system of ‘capitalism’.
    This emphasis seems to follow practices of evangelical expression, of strongly held beliefs attempting to communicate their emotional intensity through the largeness of the letters being used in such communications.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Artxell, you were formative in the development of the NPC meme, for that we thank you for your service.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    NPC? Neoreaction _ _?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Occidental androids, regimented by social status games? That’s the nostalgia for a system of hierarchical determination. Different cultural systems in the electronic abyss, struggling to re-establish their assumptions through quantitative expressions. Swarming socialisms of the inscribed electron, seeking a reality that electron flow always seems to exceed. It’s a game of trying to produce social effects.

    Characterising social justice aspirations as games of oppression merely shows the essential nature of Occidental regimentation and its practices, as wargames. Heraclitus saw that, though, a long time ago. Heraclitus was a misanthropic recluse; hating the human and choosing exit. Sartre said, in a ‘play’, that there is ‘no exit’, whilst elsewhere he was busy re-establishing the Cartesian centrality of self-consciousness, as an exploitable cybernetic principle.
    But as I’ve always said, the category of the ‘human’ is a Latinate conception, an imperialist conception, at the outset. The ‘anti-human’, would merely be a reverse regimentation, based on the same assumption or conception.

    So it’s a game of identity distributions and mediations. Theatres of social swarming, all assuming the same luddic (sic), metaphysical structure. An anxiety game concerning social representations of the determined and the undetermined, the quantity symbol of the ‘billionaire’ offered as transcendence of such social determination. But all the determinations of such luddic theatricks, rest on the Occidental metaphysical assumption outlined by Heraclitus and Sartre. The cybernetic principle of regimentation through self-exploitation, in the figure of the Occidental android.

    Wagner Reply:

    No worries buddy, that totally didn’t sound like something an NPC would say. omfg

    I am serious I’d let you crash on my couch though. I’m also just as serious that I’d gulag you.

    I feel the same about the various left-Landians I check in on on twitter from time to time (which one of you tried to Freddy Krueger me the other night? jk I know which one)

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The identity-robot has a nostalgia for gulags!
    The identity-robot has a nostalgia for social relations of mastery, by which it seeks to measure itself into its mythology of self-reliant, individualism.
    The identity-robot only recognises identity instructions.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Let’s formalize a question.

    WHO will Hitler 2.0 BE?

    Is he alive now?

    Is he smirking now from the shadows?

    What will the rotkikes do now?

    *grab their heads, pace around* “They’re on to us.”

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re talking rubbish again, so an old comment.

    In the Global Village, there was a family of criminals called the Europeans, always feuding amongst themselves, they

    Shipping ventures took considerable investment, so were usually commercial, conducted for profit, or benefit.
    In those days, criminal activity was manual, requiring the presence of the thief at the location of the wealth to be purloined.
    Any Indian or Chinese ships around Europe? No! India and China were the richest countries in the world. They had everything they wanted, no need to send out for anything.
    It was Europe that wanted Asian goods, but lacked the gold and silver which would be accepted as payment. So why, then, were European ships loitering around Asia?
    Free samples? Yoga courses? No!
    They did have guns, though, and the Asians didn’t.
    Why did they poke their noses into the political scene? To give advice? No! Both India and China had produced advanced treatises on statecraft many centuries ago.
    Or were they waiting for an opportunity? Were they “casing the joint”?

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  • Wagner Says:

    Land’s new book is worth nothing as long as he submits to his Jewish wife’s mind-rays.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Derrida on ‘nothing’ –

    “Ronse: This properly infinite movement might be a little
    bit like the patient metaphor for your work.

    Derrida: I try to write (in) the space in which is posed
    the question of speech and meaning. I try to write the
    question: (what is) meaning to say? Therefore it is nec-
    essary in such a space, and guided by such a question,
    that writing literally mean nothing. Not that it is absurd
    in the way that absurdity has always been in solidarity
    with metaphysical meaning. It simply tempts itself, ten-
    ders itself, attempts to keep itself at the point of the
    exhaustion of meaning.To risk meaning nothing is to
    start to play, and first to enter into the play of differance
    which prevents any word, any concept, any major enun-
    ciation from coming to summarize and to govern from
    the theological presence of a center the movement and
    textual spacing of differences. Whence, for example, the
    chain of substitutions of which you were speaking a
    while ago (archi-trace, arch i-writing, reserve, brisure, ar-
    ticulation, supplement, differance; there will be others)
    which is not simply a metonymical operation that would
    leave intact the conceptual identities, the signified
    idealities, that the chain would be happy just to translate,
    to put in circulation. It is in this sense that I risk meaning
    nothing that can simply be heard, or that is a simple af-
    fair of hearing. To be entangled in hundreds of pages of a
    Writing simul