Open Secret

NRx has been accused, by its friends more than its enemies, of talking about itself too much. Here XS is, doing that again, not only stuck in ‘meta’ but determinedly pushing ever deeper in. There are some easily communicable reasons for that — an attachment to methodical nonlinearity perhaps foremost among them — and then there are cryptic drivers or attachments, unsuited to immediate publicization. These latter are many (even Legion). It is the firm assertion of this blog that Neoreaction is intrinsically arcane.

We do not talk very much about Leo Strauss. Once again, there are some obvious reasons for this, but also others.

Steve Sailer’s recent Takimag article on Strauss makes for a convenient introduction, because — despite its light touch — it moves a number of issues into place. The constellation of voices is complex from the start. There is the (now notorious) ‘Neo-Conservatism’ of Strauss and his disciples, or manipulators, and the other conservatism of Sailer, each working to manage, openly and in secret, its own peculiar mix of public statement and discretion. Out beyond them — because even the shadowiest figures have further shadows — are more alien, scarcely perceptible shapes.

Sailer’s article is typically smart, but also deliberately crude. It glosses the Straussian idea of esoteric writing as “talking out of both sides of your mouth” — as if hermetic traditionalism were reducible to a lucid political strategy, or simple conspiracy — to ‘Illuminism’, politically conceived. In the wake of its Neo-Con trauma, conservatism has little patience for “secret decoder rings”. Yet, despite his aversion to the recent workings of inner-circle ‘conservative’ sophisticates, Sailer does not let his distaste lure him into stupidity:

We haven’t heard much about Straussianism lately due to the unfortunate series of events in Iraq that befell the best-laid plans of the sages. But that doesn’t mean that Strauss was necessarily wrong about the ancients. And that has interesting implications for how we should read current works.

As the approaching 20th anniversary of the publication of The Bell Curve reminds us, the best minds of our age have reasons for being less than wholly frank.

Sailer is not, of course, a neoreactionary. Not even secretly. (That is what his article is primarily about.) He believes in the public sphere, and seeks to heal it with honesty. Any pessimism he might harbor in regards to this ambition falls far short of the dark scission that would hurl him over the line. His differences with the Straussians are, in the end, merely tactical. Both retain confidence in the Outer Party as a vehicle for policy promotion, with the potential to master the public sphere. The question is only about the degree of deviousness this will require (minimal for Sailer, substantial for the Straussians).

When adopted into Neoreaction, the HBD current has an altogether more corrosive influence upon attitudes to the public sphere, which is understood as a teleologically cohesive (or self-organizing), inherently directional, and (from ‘our’ perspective) radically hostile social agency. To baptize the public sphere as ‘the Cathedral’ is to depart from conservatism. It is no longer possible to imagine it as a space that could be conquered — even surreptitiously — by forces differing significantly from those it already incarnates. It is what it is, and that is something historically singular, ideologically specific, and highly determined in its social orientation. It swims left, essentially. The public sphere is not the battlefield, but the enemy.

Hail-hydra00

As NRx seeks to navigate this hostile territory, it is tempted ambiguously, by a strategic Scylla and Charybdis. A populist lure drags it towards a reconciliation with the public sphere, as something it could potentially dominate, while a contrary hermetic politics guides it towards the formation of closed groups (whose parodic symbol is the locked twitter account). Both options — ‘clearly’ — are a flight from the complexity of the integral open secret. They both promise a relaxation of semiotic stress, through collapse of multi-level communication into a simplified frank discourse, whether implanted within a redeemed public culture, or circulated cautiously within restricted circles. The problem of hierarchy would be extracted from the signs of Neoreaction, through conversion into a public or private object, rather than working them incessantly from within. What is underway would become (simply) clear.

Such clarity cannot happen. The alternative is not an (equally simple) obscurity. NRx, insofar as it continues to propagate, advances by becoming clear and also unclear. Double writing scarcely scratches the surface. It realizes hierarchy through signs, continuously, in accordance with Providence, or the Occult Order of nature (the OOon). To assume that the author is fully initiated into this spectrum of meanings is a grave error. It is the process that speaks, multiplicitously, and predominantly in secret, as it spreads across an open, publicly-policed space.

This post is now determined to slip the leash, and leap into the raggedness of thematic notes. The Open Secret intersects:

(1) Cathedral censure, in the case of HBD most prominently, but also everywhere that firedup SJWs make a fight. War is deception, which makes frankness a tactic. Deontological honesty is inept. Anonymity is often crucial to survival. (Demands that all enemies of the Cathedral boldly ‘come out’ are ludicrously misconceived.) Camouflage is to be treasured.

(2) Crypto-technologies are central to any NRx concerns emphasizing practicality. (The idea that classic Moldbug attention to the prospects of ‘crypto-locking’ is a joke, it itself thoughtless.) Urbit — an Open Secret — could quite easily be more NRx than NRx, just as Bitcoin is more An-Cap than Anarcho-Capitalism.

(3) The intelligence services have been under-theorized, and perhaps even under-solicited, by NRx to date. At the lowest, i.e. most publicly accessible — level of discussion, this is quite possibly a virtue. At more cryptic levels of micro-social and analytical endeavor, it is almost certainly an inadequacy. People trained to keep secrets have to be interesting to us. Subtle questions of subversion arise.

(4) “Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.” — Let’s try not to be simple-minded.

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  • pjebleak Says:

    Point 4 is often overlooked. The Cathedral is winning the social justice war, someone is winning the economic war (and tangling with Bitcoin is coming soon surely), but the deep state (intelligence services) is always winning, whomever happens to be running the frontshop. Dictator, monarch and democratic state alike need ’em.

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    At the risk of utterly missing the point of this post, I have to ask the obvious question in response to, “Such clarity cannot happen.”

    Why not? Is it simply too much of a tactical risk to join a Strauss-style secret society? That one behind the masque, banging Nicole Kidman, could be a saboteur? He could reveal us and collapse the wave function?

    Is it because we must signal subtly to cloak the movement from proles? The price of admission is being smart enough to find the door?

    Is it a mistake to even try to articulate as much as I have? But if it is, why isn’t it a mistake to articulate as much as you have?

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    admin Reply:

    To be realistic is to be multi-leveled. There are tactical reasons for caution about disclosure, which deserve to be respected. It’s especially mindless to attempt to strip away Internet anonymity in the name of a romantic antagonism (that simply assists the Cathedral in its own intelligence operations).

    …. but, far more important is the secrecy that comes not from prudential decision, but from the providential order of signs. Every text is a system of secrets, as extensive as the number of potential cryptographic approaches that could be brought to bear upon it. (This is what Qabbalistic method demonstrates.) So …

    (1) Be careful
    (2) Then be clear
    (3) Then be incrementally attentive to the vast submerged iceberg-mass of meanings whose channel you are, and which ultimately — in writing with any seriousness, and perhaps even with obliviousness — you work for. The real agency ‘behind’ NRx is not anything we could betray, even if we desired to do so.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    The real agency ‘behind’ NRx is not anything we could betray

    Such refreshing words! Pregnant with unknown destinies…

    I promise to Admin an email within a day or two, providential signs notwithstanding.

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    Can’t risk losing the battle for Gotham’s soul in a fistfight with Batman.

    “Is it a mistake to even try to articulate as much as I have? But if it is, why isn’t it a mistake to articulate as much as you have?”

    Picture a cephalopod who gives the impression of fleeing a hunt but actually goes for the depths not for escape but entrapment, upon reaching the deepest the chase can go, the trap is sprung and someone dies (doesn’t really matter who) . Making the trap a bit more visible looks counterproductive but it pressures the aquatic menace into fashioning more opaque traps and yet more appealing bait, into becoming a better prey/predator. Opacity without appeal is noise, appeal without opacity is banality. A more real, peculiar problem would arise from a man-in-the-middle attack (in this case more a defense of the diver/hunter/prey), which would alter the message in such a way as to keep the target in shallow waters. The tension between bait and trap is defused by eliminating the trap and the incentive to reach deeper.

    ” Every text is a system of secrets, as extensive as the number of potential cryptographic approaches that could be brought to bear upon it. ”

    An artifact of trying to compress large volumes of high dimensional data. A supermarket places similar items in proximity with each other, each aisle presenting two 2D planes for your selection. So if you’re looking for tuna, and you know where sardines are then you probably have a partial solution to your search for tuna, it’s likely they’ll be near the sardines. But with 2D you could look for anchovies and they might be near pizza toppings instead of near the sardines or tuna. Not much you can do with only two dimensions.

    But in 30 dimensions you could have a whole bunch of things near each other and many variations of any particular thing. Organic over there, cheap over here, newer, older, etc. Speaking frankly circumnavigates this process which is induced naturally by initiation. It only presents selected, easily digestible manifolds of much more complex spaces, like giving someone a 2D strip of an orange’s surface instead of the multidimensional complexity of the whole orange (color, shape, proportions, taste, smell).

    And obviously the funny thing is that if you have a method for compression you can also get new samples from it which still fit expected patterns (the intuitive notion behind Ideological Turing Tests, “can you replicate ideology X’s compression? “). An uninitiated one is incapable of becoming a generator of such types of clustering accordingly to some compression system.

    A concrete example of what I’m saying:

    Fire, mountains, clarity, simplicity, action, commandment, enrapturement, apotheosis.

    Water, deep oceans, obscurity, complexity, contemplation, adaptation, horror, exile.

    Add a few dimensions like solitude, cognition, search and two funnily familiar but otherwise distant and opposed clusters become a lot more similar. It’s like finding shortcuts in a semantic space, similarly to how worm holes could give us shortcuts in spacetime.

    http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~rsalakhu/papers/semantic_final.pdf

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~grauman/temp/GraumanFergus_Hashing_chapterdraft.pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoencoder

    It doesn’t matter if this isn’t exactly how brains work, they have to face the same problems and are likely to stumble upon similar phenomena even if using quite different mechanisms for resolution.

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    In the spirit of compressibility :

    TL;DR: Pragmatic deobfuscation demands the cognitive mutilation of faculties necessary for the navigation of highly dimensional mental spaces, subsequently subverting analytic prowess.

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  • Xaver Says:

    >Urbit — an Open Secret — could quite easily be more NRx than NRx

    What are you basing this on? I can see how some analogies between moldbug’s political prescriptions and is goals for the internet can be made, but you seem to be taking it much further. Moldbug himself has said that urbit has nothing to do with his politics. I ask this because I don’t really understand urbit despite reading quite a bit about it, and I’m betting you don’t either and I can’t imagine how you can have this certainty without an in depth understanding.

    Is the logic just that increasing possibilities for disintegration/decentralization/exit in any sphere will inevitably have political consequences aligned with NRx?

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    admin Reply:

    Start here.

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  • Wyrd Says:

    The Cathedral tries to p-p-put Nick Land down!
    (Talking about my Neoreaction!)
    Just b-b-because Moldbug abounds!
    (Talking about my Neoreaction!)

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    ReactionaryFerret Reply:

    The rhythm doesn’t work.

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    Wyrd Reply:

    That depends on the 16th notes, don’t it?

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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    *The intelligence services have been under-theorized*

    Speaking of Sailer, he has some interesting dark suspicions about how the CIA is and has been in the bed with the non-communist left, with interesting ties into the career of one Barack Hussein Obama. The prole paleo right bubbles up some stuff about actual KGB cultural subversion from time to time to. There is also at least some indication that Bush II may have had some CIA ops run on him–nothing too dramatic, just organized, covert efforts to embarrass him and frustrate his projects.

    I don’t know if I believe any of it, but in our consensus that the Cathedral just happened, it might do to remember that the old argument between Huck and Jim has two sides. Maybe these walls didn’t just happen. Maybe they were made.

    You see a pretty common reading of LOTR where the One Ring of too-dangerous power that the allies, Boromir-like, took up during WWII was the Bomb. But there may be an even more plausible reading that the One Ring was organized intelligence and covert ops.

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    Nyan Sandwich Reply:

    I’ve been updating recently away from the “self-organizing consensus” model of the cathedral towards something a bit more centralized and deliberate. The “it’s not a conspiracy” thing was necessary for us to take it seriously back when we were open minded progressives, but I wonder if that model is actually accurate.

    Not that there’s any defined leadership, just that they are collaborating behind the scenes to push a particular agenda, as revealed with the #gamergate stuff.

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    pjebleak Reply:

    What we have are a series of fractured operations that often have unintended consequences. The NSA might be swaying something one way and the FBI messing with a group in another (say infiltrating Anonymous or radical green groups and pushing them harder than they would be alone). The insertion of memetics of often down to the culture of informants.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    I say it’s a prospiracy of conspiracies.
    So Jobs had to pay somebody off by hiring Cook. So Cook knows he owes his job to that person. They don’t have any legal or perhaps even social authority over Cook, it’s gratitude and the fact that this shadowy person got to pick someone who already agreed with their aims.

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    pjebleak Reply:

    ‘Speaking of Sailer, he has some interesting dark suspicions about how the CIA is and has been in the bed with the non-communist left, with interesting ties into the career of one Barack Hussein Obama. The prole paleo right bubbles up some stuff about actual KGB cultural subversion from time to time to. There is also at least some indication that Bush II may have had some CIA ops run on him–nothing too dramatic, just organized, covert efforts to embarrass him and frustrate his projects.

    I don’t know if I believe any of it, but in our consensus that the Cathedral just happened, it might do to remember that the old argument between Huck and Jim has two sides. Maybe these walls didn’t just happen. Maybe they were made.

    You see a pretty common reading of LOTR where the One Ring of too-dangerous power that the allies, Boromir-like, took up during WWII was the Bomb. But there may be an even more plausible reading that the One Ring was organized intelligence and covert ops.’

    Obama and Bush are far too domestic ‘good’ to be targeted by the intelligence services. They are quite capable, with plenty of record, of subverting law and engaging in counter-intel against politic dissidents mind. If you want to see the tool-kit you can see it in Snowden’s GCHQ leaks (HUMINT or human intelligence). It’s less than you expect, but they can do interesting things including swaying pools and washing around in social media.

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    pjebleak Reply:

    *polls of course.

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    admin Reply:

    The CIA is quite obviously rotten with progressivism. That’s why I’m punting on the NSA.

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    This is the strongest evidence in favor of conspiracy theory. Because is there any restraining principle in progressivism? Nope.

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  • Alex Says:

    http://www.nudelmanbooks.com/pictures/400_3.jpg

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  • Kgaard Says:

    On the topic of conspiracies … I am really starting to wonder if American go-grrl music is a conspiracy. Everywhere in the world one hears the same damn songs sung by the same small group of women, all with the same themes: “I am the eye of the tiger and you’re gonna hear me roar,” or “I just need you tonight … need to feel your body … forget about tomorrow … no consequences.”

    It’s over and over and over. There are no variations on the theme. Literally it’s every song in every country. Been this way for years now. I’m really starting to wonder if this is a Bilderberg plot to westernize women in the eastern bloc (and everywhere else). There are no tattoos in East Europe yet, but you know they are right around the corner. That music is a siren song that goes to the soul even if the words aren’t 100% understood.

    Who benefits from the en-trash-ination of eastern bloc women? Who benefits from it so much that they would consciously seek to make it happen?

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    Mike Reply:

    “Who benefits from it so much that they would consciously seek to make it happen?”

    Let me guess: the same demographic who approve of IMBRA?

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    Kgaard Reply:

    Yes but they don’t run radio stations. Seems like it’s higher up than that.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    We know Michael Mann, climate Stalin, answered to someone even scarier.

    We know Ukraine’s government functioned the same way. http://blog.jim.com/war/cathedral-imperialism-revealed/

    Jim believes the Occupy cops were given orders that amounted to ‘go out there and look like thugs, don’t be cops.’ This is corroborated by the riots in England the other year, where the cops were instructed to show fear and run away in most cases.

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  • pjebleak Says:

    ‘Who benefits from the en-trash-ination of eastern bloc women? Who benefits from it so much that they would consciously seek to make it happen?’

    Wrong question. What degree of passivity among conservatives to allow it to happens is the right one. If a meme is blocked it struggles. No constraints it runs free. Simple as. Nobody can orchestrate the memetic spread you describe without some form of leakage from the conspirators (conspiracies are mundane, often relate to intelligence, corporate secrets or anything high stakes – the Cathedral is closer to an unchecked cult).

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  • Rasputin Says:

    “The public sphere is not the battlefield, but the enemy.” This is the Red Pill that makes any form of retreat to ‘politics’ impossible. Urbit and Bitcoin – technologies that have the potential to rupture and reorganise our civilisation, without seeking permission to do so – alongside a deep, far reaching analysis of the engineering problems of government, are likely to be the only way out of this mess; short of total collapse, real-war and death camps.

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    Agreed, though to many mainstream rightists this is tantamount to an insult.

    Well, whatever, I can’t stand the ‘public sphere’ anway

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    Erebus Reply:

    One could very easily argue that this Red Pill is glaringly obvious, that it’s staring us all right in the face. The single most common trope of Cyberpunk SF literature has always been governmental collapse (or a more subtle form of exit/evaporation) — typically where corporations, tribes, or other societal structures more suited to anarcho-techno-capitalism pick up where public sphere government left off. (Worth noting that the distinctions between these groups always seem to get increasingly fuzzy.)

    …Whether or not this is inevitable is the more interesting question.

    And perhaps the most interesting question is: What can we do to hasten progress in this direction? Bitcoin and Urbit are a good start, I suppose. More ubiquitous end-to-end encryption technologies would undoubtedly help, and it’s more than passing strange that end-to-end encrypted smartphone messaging doesn’t yet exist. Research into life-extension and AI can very easily disrupt societal structure. Scientific research into the neurological basis of religion may also help; an optimized religion/cult, complete with drug or TMS-induced raptures-on-demand (or command) would be interesting.
    Anything I’ve missed?

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  • strelkov Says:

    Sailer is the American Trotskii. He’s not in power, but everything he says matters.

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  • Wyrd Says:

    Sailer is the American Trotskii.

    Ever Left…

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  • SanguineEmpiricist Says:

    Yes, I agree completely. I have seperated many of my identities but this is my main ‘running’ identity for NRx. Unfortunately Land, you are already in the radar so you are probably best left to a executive director role while the kids try to put it together.

    I think every one needs a bit of security culture, to stop flaming off ethnic tensions that are unjustified and to run a somewhat tight ship. Some basic operational skills will have to be learned, but we have grugq & b3rn3d for that. Just enough to understand exactly what is and is not a risk.

    I have *some* understanding in this area, but there’s a good amount of security culture how to’s for journalists already written up.

    If itrs anonymity research we’re looking for I have a ton of papers and stuff I could write together for every one. But I second this concern completely. It would be foolish not to put in an ounce of sweat for basic concerns like this in preventative fashion.

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    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    This minimum prototype thing isn’t working for writing without an edit function. I think we should talk about intelligence agencies a bit more in general it’s one of the more hostile parts of the cathehdral that have common assosiation with budding political movements.

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    I’d be interested in more.

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  • Backside lifting domages the blain Says:

    Your writing reminds me of all those hermetic situationist texts I read as a student in the late 60’s except that theyused the word ‘spectacle’ all the time , while you use the word ‘cathedral.’

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  • pjebleak Says:

    Lesser Bull: That’s conjecture, not evidence. There is no real motivation either to be found for why the CIA would back either conservatism or progressivism. Neither has much to do with their remit or even their interests.

    @admin: I would be cautious. The NSA is simply the cryptologic wing of the American military and the only real focus it has in terms of politics is ensuring oversight is not overbearing on what they do (and they are quite ‘normal’ in as much as they seem to reflect this core American anti-terrorism angle). They see everything in terms of American interests and advantage in pure geopolitical realist terms. The other area they tend to talk about, even openly, is funding and to that end we see their heads routinely pop up to warn against cuts (and what is needed to defend the ‘Homeland’). In this precise sense they are their own entity, enmeshed in military culture (they call their enemies adversaries which is a distinct term in encryption culture that even their interns use), but one that mostly feeds off the world being a little chaotic. To that end I would imagine they even look away when the CIA gets up to no good because it creates more chaos. It is entirely plausible that a group like ISIS, aided early on by the CIA, is greeted with joy by the NSA because it means the budget will pass quite easily. Self-sustaining self-interest by a group of obscure cryptologic math heads dressed up in military garb. Maybe better seen as a model to emulate than an ally.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    I concur with Pjebleak with the caveat that conquest’s second law still applies to the CIA and NSA.

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  • VXXC Says:

    Admin,

    Kevin Williamson’s latest should cheer you up, and definitely falls into Esoteric forced into Exoteric.

    Five Reasons Why You’re Too Dumb to Vote
    Reason 1: You get your politics from Lena Dunham

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388945/five-reasons-why-youre-too-dumb-vote-kevin-d-williamson

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  • Izak Says:

    The jargon-based esoterism could be useful for the reasons elucidated in the main post, but if you wind up creating a popular image of NRx as something quasi-occult, “techno-fascistic” (or whatever), hermetic, Lovecraftian, blah blah, you can wind up becoming a mark (that’s pro wrestling jargon) for your own hype and allow the latter to dictate actual thought rather than the reverse. That’s the danger of refusing to engage in the public sphere even when it engages with you. You’re essentially going to be in a psychological war with a reified brand, maybe even a doppelganger. That sort of thing can destroy your whole enterprise.

    I also find it funny when NRx people go, “Look at Arthur Chu! Look at this other journo! They don’t even understand us! They haven’t even read us!”
    Well, are they not following the script you’ve essentially laid out for them? But then, the righteous indignation has to be part of the strategy, so I suppose I’ll be witnessing more and more of it as time goes on.

    Incidentally, this sort of thing has also kept Thomas Hobbes from being properly understood by a bunch of people for hundreds of years. I’m not even talking about what I call “zany Hobbes” (IE, Hobbes as understood by Strauss), but just Hobbes on his own terms. The book title he chose, Leviathan, a symbol long-associated with Satanism and worldly post-lapsarian corruption, wound up enshrouding and smothering his actual proposition.

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  • blogospheroid Says:

    I wonder what the stance would be towards prediction markets. The entire shtick of prediction markets is making the hidden visible by incentivizing the holders of any true knowledge. Thus it may seem that prediction markets and the strain of NRx shown here in OP, may not see eye to eye.

    But imagine if the culture of prediction markets was there a few decades ago when divorce was made easier and the cultural conservatives were the only ones crying hoarse about the slippery slope. Divorce rate goes up beyond a certain level and bingo, payday for the reactionaries.

    Cold hard cash in hand makes living in the decline so much more bearable.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    (1) Cathedral censure:

    “Theresa May will announce the measure as part of a widely drawn counter-extremism strategy that is intended to catch so-called hate preachers…

    The home secretary’s new orders would be aimed at those who undertake activities “for the purpose of overthrowing democracy”, a wide-ranging definition that could also catch a far wider range of political activists.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/30/theresa-may-ban-extremists-television

    Hmm… sounds like they’re formalising things.

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