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		<title>By: Rasputin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasputin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(1) Cathedral censure: 

&quot;Theresa May will announce the measure as part of a widely drawn counter-extremism strategy that is intended to catch so-called hate preachers...

The home secretary’s new orders would be aimed at those who undertake activities “for the purpose of overthrowing democracy”, a wide-ranging definition that could also catch a far wider range of political activists.&quot;

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/30/theresa-may-ban-extremists-television

Hmm... sounds like they&#039;re formalising things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Cathedral censure: </p>
<p>&#8220;Theresa May will announce the measure as part of a widely drawn counter-extremism strategy that is intended to catch so-called hate preachers&#8230;</p>
<p>The home secretary’s new orders would be aimed at those who undertake activities “for the purpose of overthrowing democracy”, a wide-ranging definition that could also catch a far wider range of political activists.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/30/theresa-may-ban-extremists-television" rel="nofollow">http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/30/theresa-may-ban-extremists-television</a></p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; sounds like they&#8217;re formalising things.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Psy-Ops</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Psy-Ops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real agency ‘behind’ NRx is not anything we could betray

Such refreshing words! Pregnant with unknown destinies... 

I promise to Admin an email within a day or two, providential signs notwithstanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real agency ‘behind’ NRx is not anything we could betray</p>
<p>Such refreshing words! Pregnant with unknown destinies&#8230; </p>
<p>I promise to Admin an email within a day or two, providential signs notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: blogospheroid</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blogospheroid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder what the stance would be towards prediction markets. The entire shtick of prediction markets is making the hidden visible by incentivizing the holders of any true knowledge. Thus it may seem that prediction markets and the strain of NRx shown here in OP, may not see eye to eye. 

But imagine if the culture of prediction markets was there a few decades ago when divorce was made easier and the cultural conservatives were the only ones crying hoarse about the slippery slope. Divorce rate goes up beyond a certain level and bingo, payday for the reactionaries. 

Cold hard cash in hand makes living in the decline so much more bearable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the stance would be towards prediction markets. The entire shtick of prediction markets is making the hidden visible by incentivizing the holders of any true knowledge. Thus it may seem that prediction markets and the strain of NRx shown here in OP, may not see eye to eye. </p>
<p>But imagine if the culture of prediction markets was there a few decades ago when divorce was made easier and the cultural conservatives were the only ones crying hoarse about the slippery slope. Divorce rate goes up beyond a certain level and bingo, payday for the reactionaries. </p>
<p>Cold hard cash in hand makes living in the decline so much more bearable.</p>
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		<title>By: Izak</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115301</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Izak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The jargon-based esoterism could be useful for the reasons elucidated in the main post, but if you wind up creating a popular image of NRx as something quasi-occult, &quot;techno-fascistic&quot; (or whatever), hermetic, Lovecraftian, blah blah, you can wind up becoming a mark (that&#039;s pro wrestling jargon) for your own hype and allow the latter to dictate actual thought rather than the reverse. That&#039;s the danger of refusing to engage in the public sphere even when it engages with you. You&#039;re essentially going to be in a psychological war with a reified brand, maybe even a doppelganger. That sort of thing can destroy your whole enterprise.

I also find it funny when NRx people go, &quot;Look at Arthur Chu! Look at this other journo! They don&#039;t even understand us! They haven&#039;t even read us!&quot; 
Well, are they not following the script you&#039;ve essentially laid out for them? But then, the righteous indignation has to be part of the strategy, so I suppose I&#039;ll be witnessing more and more of it as time goes on. 

Incidentally, this sort of thing has also kept Thomas Hobbes from being properly understood by a bunch of people for hundreds of years. I&#039;m not even talking about what I call &quot;zany Hobbes&quot; (IE, Hobbes as understood by Strauss), but just Hobbes on his own terms. The book title he chose, Leviathan, a symbol long-associated with Satanism and worldly post-lapsarian corruption, wound up enshrouding and smothering his actual proposition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jargon-based esoterism could be useful for the reasons elucidated in the main post, but if you wind up creating a popular image of NRx as something quasi-occult, &#8220;techno-fascistic&#8221; (or whatever), hermetic, Lovecraftian, blah blah, you can wind up becoming a mark (that&#8217;s pro wrestling jargon) for your own hype and allow the latter to dictate actual thought rather than the reverse. That&#8217;s the danger of refusing to engage in the public sphere even when it engages with you. You&#8217;re essentially going to be in a psychological war with a reified brand, maybe even a doppelganger. That sort of thing can destroy your whole enterprise.</p>
<p>I also find it funny when NRx people go, &#8220;Look at Arthur Chu! Look at this other journo! They don&#8217;t even understand us! They haven&#8217;t even read us!&#8221;<br />
Well, are they not following the script you&#8217;ve essentially laid out for them? But then, the righteous indignation has to be part of the strategy, so I suppose I&#8217;ll be witnessing more and more of it as time goes on. </p>
<p>Incidentally, this sort of thing has also kept Thomas Hobbes from being properly understood by a bunch of people for hundreds of years. I&#8217;m not even talking about what I call &#8220;zany Hobbes&#8221; (IE, Hobbes as understood by Strauss), but just Hobbes on his own terms. The book title he chose, Leviathan, a symbol long-associated with Satanism and worldly post-lapsarian corruption, wound up enshrouding and smothering his actual proposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Aeroguy</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aeroguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I concur with Pjebleak with the caveat that conquest&#039;s second law still applies to the CIA and NSA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Pjebleak with the caveat that conquest&#8217;s second law still applies to the CIA and NSA.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Admin,

Kevin Williamson&#039;s latest should cheer you up, and definitely falls into Esoteric forced into Exoteric. 

 Five Reasons Why You’re Too Dumb to Vote
Reason 1: You get your politics from Lena Dunham 


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388945/five-reasons-why-youre-too-dumb-vote-kevin-d-williamson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admin,</p>
<p>Kevin Williamson&#8217;s latest should cheer you up, and definitely falls into Esoteric forced into Exoteric. </p>
<p> Five Reasons Why You’re Too Dumb to Vote<br />
Reason 1: You get your politics from Lena Dunham </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388945/five-reasons-why-youre-too-dumb-vote-kevin-d-williamson" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388945/five-reasons-why-youre-too-dumb-vote-kevin-d-williamson</a></p>
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		<title>By: pjebleak</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pjebleak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lesser Bull: That&#039;s conjecture, not evidence. There is no real motivation either to be found for why the CIA would back either conservatism or progressivism. Neither has much to do with their remit or even their interests.

@admin: I would be cautious. The NSA is simply the cryptologic wing of the American military and the only real focus it has in terms of politics is ensuring oversight is not overbearing on what they do (and they are quite &#039;normal&#039; in as much as they seem to reflect this core American anti-terrorism angle). They see everything in terms of American interests and advantage in pure geopolitical realist terms. The other area they tend to talk about, even openly, is funding and to that end we see their heads routinely pop up to warn against cuts (and what is needed to defend the &#039;Homeland&#039;). In this precise sense they are their own entity, enmeshed in military culture (they call their enemies adversaries which is a distinct term in encryption culture that even their interns use), but one that mostly feeds off the world being a little chaotic. To that end I would imagine they even look away when the CIA gets up to no good because it creates more chaos. It is entirely plausible that a group like ISIS, aided early on by the CIA, is greeted with joy by the NSA because it means the budget will pass quite easily. Self-sustaining self-interest by a group of obscure cryptologic math heads dressed up in military garb. Maybe better seen as a model to emulate than an ally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lesser Bull: That&#8217;s conjecture, not evidence. There is no real motivation either to be found for why the CIA would back either conservatism or progressivism. Neither has much to do with their remit or even their interests.</p>
<p>@admin: I would be cautious. The NSA is simply the cryptologic wing of the American military and the only real focus it has in terms of politics is ensuring oversight is not overbearing on what they do (and they are quite &#8216;normal&#8217; in as much as they seem to reflect this core American anti-terrorism angle). They see everything in terms of American interests and advantage in pure geopolitical realist terms. The other area they tend to talk about, even openly, is funding and to that end we see their heads routinely pop up to warn against cuts (and what is needed to defend the &#8216;Homeland&#8217;). In this precise sense they are their own entity, enmeshed in military culture (they call their enemies adversaries which is a distinct term in encryption culture that even their interns use), but one that mostly feeds off the world being a little chaotic. To that end I would imagine they even look away when the CIA gets up to no good because it creates more chaos. It is entirely plausible that a group like ISIS, aided early on by the CIA, is greeted with joy by the NSA because it means the budget will pass quite easily. Self-sustaining self-interest by a group of obscure cryptologic math heads dressed up in military garb. Maybe better seen as a model to emulate than an ally.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the strongest evidence in favor of conspiracy theory.  Because is there any restraining principle in progressivism?  Nope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the strongest evidence in favor of conspiracy theory.  Because is there any restraining principle in progressivism?  Nope.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be interested in more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested in more.</p>
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		<title>By: Backside lifting domages the blain</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/open-secret/#comment-115108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Backside lifting domages the blain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your writing reminds me of all those hermetic situationist texts I read as a student in the late 60&#039;s except that theyused the word &#039;spectacle&#039; all the time , while you use the word &#039;cathedral.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your writing reminds me of all those hermetic situationist texts I read as a student in the late 60&#8217;s except that theyused the word &#8216;spectacle&#8217; all the time , while you use the word &#8216;cathedral.&#8217;</p>
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