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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6144</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Cui bono&lt;/i&gt;?  Who wins from keeping the cold civil war going?  Obviously the top X% has done the best to elevate themselves to the truly global empire aristocrats.  As has the whole &quot;Cathedral Class&quot; (? - Analogue to Irving Kristol&#039;s American &quot;New Class&quot;?) - and I&#039;ll include myself in the lower reaches of the comfortable part of that set, kind of like Derb&#039;s &quot;Lower Lower Upper Middle Class&quot;.  

And I think one cannot deny that, materially (if not culturally or ethically), the bottom Y%, especially Blacks and Mexicans (and immigrants in general), are doing much better than the Cathedral-suppressed counterfactual.  The elite Blacks and Mexicans (actually elite-anything-except-white-hetero-males) are doing orders of magnitude better.

So, is the &quot;outer-third&quot; is just Moldbug&#039;s OBV alliance, keeping the white middle class at war within itself over ridiculous distraction politics?

In other news, the proposition that Syria is really about Iran (not Russia or China) is that Russia and China sell arms and &#039;consult&#039; (as they always do for anybody), but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-will-send-4000-troops-to-aid-bashar-alassads-forces-in-syria-8660358.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iran actually send boots on the ground&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cui bono</i>?  Who wins from keeping the cold civil war going?  Obviously the top X% has done the best to elevate themselves to the truly global empire aristocrats.  As has the whole &#8220;Cathedral Class&#8221; (? &#8211; Analogue to Irving Kristol&#8217;s American &#8220;New Class&#8221;?) &#8211; and I&#8217;ll include myself in the lower reaches of the comfortable part of that set, kind of like Derb&#8217;s &#8220;Lower Lower Upper Middle Class&#8221;.  </p>
<p>And I think one cannot deny that, materially (if not culturally or ethically), the bottom Y%, especially Blacks and Mexicans (and immigrants in general), are doing much better than the Cathedral-suppressed counterfactual.  The elite Blacks and Mexicans (actually elite-anything-except-white-hetero-males) are doing orders of magnitude better.</p>
<p>So, is the &#8220;outer-third&#8221; is just Moldbug&#8217;s OBV alliance, keeping the white middle class at war within itself over ridiculous distraction politics?</p>
<p>In other news, the proposition that Syria is really about Iran (not Russia or China) is that Russia and China sell arms and &#8216;consult&#8217; (as they always do for anybody), but <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-will-send-4000-troops-to-aid-bashar-alassads-forces-in-syria-8660358.html" rel="nofollow">Iran actually send boots on the ground</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: fotrkd</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6136</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert Fisk, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-will-send-4000-troops-to-aid-bashar-alassads-forces-in-syria-8660358.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;writing&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;I&gt;The Independent&lt;/I&gt; today, doesn&#039;t go quite as far as rough triangles, but he begs the question (and, not surprisingly, contradicts everything Cameron has been uttering over recent days).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Fisk, <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-will-send-4000-troops-to-aid-bashar-alassads-forces-in-syria-8660358.html" rel="nofollow">writing</a> in <i>The Independent</i> today, doesn&#8217;t go quite as far as rough triangles, but he begs the question (and, not surprisingly, contradicts everything Cameron has been uttering over recent days).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6126</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If one was to try to shoe-horn it in, who would be the outer third party? It&#039;s a sufficiently intriguing thought-experiment to pursue, but ARs musing doesn&#039;t rely on it. America could be &#039;played&#039; in an enveloping triangle by constituting, as a whole, one pole of an antagonism manipulated from an outside third.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one was to try to shoe-horn it in, who would be the outer third party? It&#8217;s a sufficiently intriguing thought-experiment to pursue, but ARs musing doesn&#8217;t rely on it. America could be &#8216;played&#8217; in an enveloping triangle by constituting, as a whole, one pole of an antagonism manipulated from an outside third.  </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6125</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Handle
On the Turkish angle, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/stefano-casertano--3/7022-us-policy-in-the-middle-east&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is worth looking at. (It contains this little gem in passing: &quot;Then the region collapsed – some call it the &#039;Arab Spring&#039;&quot;.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Handle<br />
On the Turkish angle, <a href="http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/stefano-casertano--3/7022-us-policy-in-the-middle-east" rel="nofollow">this</a> is worth looking at. (It contains this little gem in passing: &#8220;Then the region collapsed – some call it the &#8216;Arab Spring'&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;cold civil war&quot; in America is way too one-sided to fit the &quot;rough triangle&quot; model.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;cold civil war&#8221; in America is way too one-sided to fit the &#8220;rough triangle&#8221; model.</p>
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		<title>By: anarco-reactionary</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6111</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Retrospectively, it’s noteworthy that this phrase was already being applied to a Sunni-Shi’a conflict (from outside).&quot;

hmm, makes one wonder how we (america) are being played from outside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Retrospectively, it’s noteworthy that this phrase was already being applied to a Sunni-Shi’a conflict (from outside).&#8221;</p>
<p>hmm, makes one wonder how we (america) are being played from outside.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6101</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Iran-Iraq War was the occasion for Kissinger&#039;s rough triangles classic: &quot;It&#039;s too bad they both can&#039;t lose.&quot; Retrospectively, it&#039;s noteworthy that this phrase was already being applied to a Sunni-Shi&#039;a conflict (from outside).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iran-Iraq War was the occasion for Kissinger&#8217;s rough triangles classic: &#8220;It&#8217;s too bad they both can&#8217;t lose.&#8221; Retrospectively, it&#8217;s noteworthy that this phrase was already being applied to a Sunni-Shi&#8217;a conflict (from outside).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So this is what the Iran-Iraq war felt like. Snicker. Get the popcorn.

The Cathedral had a devil of a time with that one. They were horrified when two regimes they liked - Soviet-client Iraq and post-Shah Iran - went to war, but they completely melted down when the US gubment started helping whichever one was behind, thus prolonging the war and probably making a buck to boot.

The Iran-Contra scandal (the Contras being another group loathed by the Cathedral, for committing the unspeakable heresy of being anti-communist) was therefore the political manifestation of the Cathedral&#039;s animus at getting rolled. (Does anyone think that Iran-Contra would have been a story if the Contras had been communists?)

The Iran-Iraq war may very well qualify as one of the few comprehensive Cathedral losses I can think of. Too bad it didn&#039;t directly involve the Cathedral, but we&#039;ll take our wins where we can get them, I suppose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is what the Iran-Iraq war felt like. Snicker. Get the popcorn.</p>
<p>The Cathedral had a devil of a time with that one. They were horrified when two regimes they liked &#8211; Soviet-client Iraq and post-Shah Iran &#8211; went to war, but they completely melted down when the US gubment started helping whichever one was behind, thus prolonging the war and probably making a buck to boot.</p>
<p>The Iran-Contra scandal (the Contras being another group loathed by the Cathedral, for committing the unspeakable heresy of being anti-communist) was therefore the political manifestation of the Cathedral&#8217;s animus at getting rolled. (Does anyone think that Iran-Contra would have been a story if the Contras had been communists?)</p>
<p>The Iran-Iraq war may very well qualify as one of the few comprehensive Cathedral losses I can think of. Too bad it didn&#8217;t directly involve the Cathedral, but we&#8217;ll take our wins where we can get them, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6066</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clumsy blundering on an ever increasing scale.  America entering her senescence at far too young an age, leaving her (the world&#039;s) children ever more puzzled, bitter, and alienated.  The American Empire ends not in a blaze of glory, but in months of painful visits to the nursing home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clumsy blundering on an ever increasing scale.  America entering her senescence at far too young an age, leaving her (the world&#8217;s) children ever more puzzled, bitter, and alienated.  The American Empire ends not in a blaze of glory, but in months of painful visits to the nursing home.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-ally-the-enemy/#comment-6062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Handle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a pretty picture of the future.  Every administration clumsily blundering in an effort to undo the geopolitical results of the previous administration&#039;s clumsy blundering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a pretty picture of the future.  Every administration clumsily blundering in an effort to undo the geopolitical results of the previous administration&#8217;s clumsy blundering.</p>
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