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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-5984</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We got off the leash fairly successfully in Kashgar -- the local Han admin people were so deep in the bunker that they didn&#039;t insist on fine-tuned direction, and our (Uyghur) government guide was great. We&#039;d all begun to split up to meander around the city individually or in small groups by the end of the trip, so &quot;choreography&quot; wasn&#039;t a serious a problem. 

Your observations sound very reasonable. There&#039;s clearly a rise in Islamic fundamentalism taking place in certain parts of the UAR, but not to the extent that civilized life is becoming impossible. Kashgar is nothing at all like Urumqi. The terrain is harshly beautiful (in the north as well as the south -- there are serious mountain ranges in every direction). 

It seems to me simple common sense that the level of violence is vastly lower than it would be without Han administrative influence, but that&#039;s debatable (I suppose), as well as an irresolvable counter-factual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got off the leash fairly successfully in Kashgar &#8212; the local Han admin people were so deep in the bunker that they didn&#8217;t insist on fine-tuned direction, and our (Uyghur) government guide was great. We&#8217;d all begun to split up to meander around the city individually or in small groups by the end of the trip, so &#8220;choreography&#8221; wasn&#8217;t a serious a problem. </p>
<p>Your observations sound very reasonable. There&#8217;s clearly a rise in Islamic fundamentalism taking place in certain parts of the UAR, but not to the extent that civilized life is becoming impossible. Kashgar is nothing at all like Urumqi. The terrain is harshly beautiful (in the north as well as the south &#8212; there are serious mountain ranges in every direction). </p>
<p>It seems to me simple common sense that the level of violence is vastly lower than it would be without Han administrative influence, but that&#8217;s debatable (I suppose), as well as an irresolvable counter-factual.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-5966</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 01:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s probably hard for a visible foreigner on a choreographed trip  to get a feel for things... 

As someone traveling alone who was sometimes taken for Han at first glance (once I started speaking Uyghur, the perception often defaulted to &quot;Kazakh&quot; until I explained further), there was a harder edge to Kashgar than Urumqi ... the resentments were fresher, palpably closer to surfacing.  That said, I never once felt physically threatened ... it was mostly little things like the rebuffing of greetings or questions for directions with confused and suspicious shakes of the head.  Demographic trajectory + geographic situation (so much closer to the chest of Ferghana and western Turkestan ... hence the more &#039;Iranian&#039; cut of the features, the greater frequency of full-length veils), themselves intertwined, go a long way towards accounting for it.

In all honesty, I got far more out of this corner of Xinjiang than the Han-dominated eastern and northern cities, in no small part thanks to the proximity of still wilder reaches ... headed down the KKH to Karakol, where I had the chance to chat with some of the local Kyrgyz in a memorably exquisite setting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably hard for a visible foreigner on a choreographed trip  to get a feel for things&#8230; </p>
<p>As someone traveling alone who was sometimes taken for Han at first glance (once I started speaking Uyghur, the perception often defaulted to &#8220;Kazakh&#8221; until I explained further), there was a harder edge to Kashgar than Urumqi &#8230; the resentments were fresher, palpably closer to surfacing.  That said, I never once felt physically threatened &#8230; it was mostly little things like the rebuffing of greetings or questions for directions with confused and suspicious shakes of the head.  Demographic trajectory + geographic situation (so much closer to the chest of Ferghana and western Turkestan &#8230; hence the more &#8216;Iranian&#8217; cut of the features, the greater frequency of full-length veils), themselves intertwined, go a long way towards accounting for it.</p>
<p>In all honesty, I got far more out of this corner of Xinjiang than the Han-dominated eastern and northern cities, in no small part thanks to the proximity of still wilder reaches &#8230; headed down the KKH to Karakol, where I had the chance to chat with some of the local Kyrgyz in a memorably exquisite setting.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1512</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to the Old Town today -- there&#039;s not much left. There&#039;s a Xintiandi style annex, which will probably be fun for tourists. The real old part (Gao Tai) is amazing, but to be fair on the forces of ruinous modernity, I&#039;m not sure how comfortable it would be to live there. 

As to your additional recommendations, the trip is highly scripted, so I&#039;m not sure how much flexibility I&#039;ll have to add new venues. It&#039;s mostly historic sites and markets chalked in for the next few days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the Old Town today &#8212; there&#8217;s not much left. There&#8217;s a Xintiandi style annex, which will probably be fun for tourists. The real old part (Gao Tai) is amazing, but to be fair on the forces of ruinous modernity, I&#8217;m not sure how comfortable it would be to live there. </p>
<p>As to your additional recommendations, the trip is highly scripted, so I&#8217;m not sure how much flexibility I&#8217;ll have to add new venues. It&#8217;s mostly historic sites and markets chalked in for the next few days.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1510</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s right -- I&#039;ve got two more trips after this one, with the final one designed to deposit me in the northern oil fields.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right &#8212; I&#8217;ve got two more trips after this one, with the final one designed to deposit me in the northern oil fields.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1483</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the oil industry centered further north, at Yili? 

My impression is that Kashgar is little else than a bordertown bazaar. Not my area of expertise though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the oil industry centered further north, at Yili? </p>
<p>My impression is that Kashgar is little else than a bordertown bazaar. Not my area of expertise though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1474</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if you know, but about 80 percent of the old city of Kashgar was demolished in 2009. Old Central Asian Turkic architecture not to be found anywhere else in China. What was interesting is that the government, at least in some neighbourhoods, planned on building replicas of the old houses. But not just your bog standard Chinese-style replicas – but rather providing local dwellers with moveable walls and roofs so that they could re-construct the old houses in a more or less precise fashion to how they existed prior. You have probably lived in China long enough to know Chinese have a quite different value systems attached to originals and copies – but this is 5th-order of simulation stuff! Anyway, would be interesting to see if they do indeed exist.

As an aside, the world’s largest natural rock arch exists about 60 km outside Kashgar (not very visited); also if you can, make a trip to Muztagh Ata mountain in the nearby Parmirs (very well visited, but too vast to make much difference).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if you know, but about 80 percent of the old city of Kashgar was demolished in 2009. Old Central Asian Turkic architecture not to be found anywhere else in China. What was interesting is that the government, at least in some neighbourhoods, planned on building replicas of the old houses. But not just your bog standard Chinese-style replicas – but rather providing local dwellers with moveable walls and roofs so that they could re-construct the old houses in a more or less precise fashion to how they existed prior. You have probably lived in China long enough to know Chinese have a quite different value systems attached to originals and copies – but this is 5th-order of simulation stuff! Anyway, would be interesting to see if they do indeed exist.</p>
<p>As an aside, the world’s largest natural rock arch exists about 60 km outside Kashgar (not very visited); also if you can, make a trip to Muztagh Ata mountain in the nearby Parmirs (very well visited, but too vast to make much difference).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1470</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, a delicate but unavoidable topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a delicate but unavoidable topic.</p>
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		<title>By: SDL</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1469</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[General thoughts/observations on the Uyghurs would be interesting, if that&#039;s allowable from your position in PRC. I&#039;m always interested in how majority/minority relations play out in contemporary nation-states.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General thoughts/observations on the Uyghurs would be interesting, if that&#8217;s allowable from your position in PRC. I&#8217;m always interested in how majority/minority relations play out in contemporary nation-states.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1467</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It does all feel rather more Lawrence of Arabia than I&#039;m cut out for.
 
I&#039;m hoping to get a chance to research the oil industry out there, but I gather that&#039;s considered a little sensitive, so it might be difficult. With my naive affection for petrochemical plutocracy, I found that quite shocking. Maybe it&#039;s the global Halliburton PR effect. Perhaps I should ask to look at windmills, or something equally ridiculous ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does all feel rather more Lawrence of Arabia than I&#8217;m cut out for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping to get a chance to research the oil industry out there, but I gather that&#8217;s considered a little sensitive, so it might be difficult. With my naive affection for petrochemical plutocracy, I found that quite shocking. Maybe it&#8217;s the global Halliburton PR effect. Perhaps I should ask to look at windmills, or something equally ridiculous &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/out-west/#comment-1446</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, being you, perhaps you&#039;ll enjoy more the rationalistic Chinese boot stomping the natives rather than the old Islamic vibrancy of the place.
Enjoy though, I always wanted to check out the place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, being you, perhaps you&#8217;ll enjoy more the rationalistic Chinese boot stomping the natives rather than the old Islamic vibrancy of the place.<br />
Enjoy though, I always wanted to check out the place.</p>
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