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		<title>By: The Mafia, Endo-Imperialism, Endo-Colonialism And The Secular State &#124; The New International Outlook</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-162158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Mafia, Endo-Imperialism, Endo-Colonialism And The Secular State &#124; The New International Outlook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] either Mafias will also be resorted to as in the case of post-Soviet Russia, or the development of private security and cryptographic ownership will be sufficiently developed for what will be in effect an nRX [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] either Mafias will also be resorted to as in the case of post-Soviet Russia, or the development of private security and cryptographic ownership will be sufficiently developed for what will be in effect an nRX [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Round &#8211; 2014/11/19 &#124; Free Northerner</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-140148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightning Round &#8211; 2014/11/19 &#124; Free Northerner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] A  lack of formalism leads to totalitarianism.  Related. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A  lack of formalism leads to totalitarianism.  Related. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: SanguineEmpiricist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-139999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SanguineEmpiricist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen you mention Ethereum. From a few video conferences I&#039;ve been to where Tual has been presenting it seems like he was stalling and the smart contracts do not seem to be working as of yet, with many people attending the conferences having reservations. That was before this entire counterparty drama.  I have a lot of hopes though and I&#039;m going to keep checking.

Federal people are also doing investigative groundwork for bitcoin related _anything_. I know because I met two of them and got uncomfortable after 2-3 meetings and bailed out. They were a &#039;husband and wife&#039; They called me once last july, but turned out to be a non-issue. So, there&#039;s that as well.

There&#039;s other procedural issues with it.. We can get the upside to technology as long as our base case can survive without it ie Aristocratic Egalitarianism. Governments based on technology are not robust to war/conflict/etc, but there is hope. How will they adapt to Urbit? What if they all fail? Not decent NRx risk management if you ask me. 

I don&#039;t really see how it&#039;s scholastic. It&#039;s definitely better than anything mentioned in discussion threads. I push this line of thought so hard because the other stuff is impoverished thought. In the meantime Jensen and Nicholas wade still have issues. 

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen you mention Ethereum. From a few video conferences I&#8217;ve been to where Tual has been presenting it seems like he was stalling and the smart contracts do not seem to be working as of yet, with many people attending the conferences having reservations. That was before this entire counterparty drama.  I have a lot of hopes though and I&#8217;m going to keep checking.</p>
<p>Federal people are also doing investigative groundwork for bitcoin related _anything_. I know because I met two of them and got uncomfortable after 2-3 meetings and bailed out. They were a &#8216;husband and wife&#8217; They called me once last july, but turned out to be a non-issue. So, there&#8217;s that as well.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s other procedural issues with it.. We can get the upside to technology as long as our base case can survive without it ie Aristocratic Egalitarianism. Governments based on technology are not robust to war/conflict/etc, but there is hope. How will they adapt to Urbit? What if they all fail? Not decent NRx risk management if you ask me. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really see how it&#8217;s scholastic. It&#8217;s definitely better than anything mentioned in discussion threads. I push this line of thought so hard because the other stuff is impoverished thought. In the meantime Jensen and Nicholas wade still have issues. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-139883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This all seems like arbitrary sign-shuffling in comparison to what Satoshi Nakamoto has done. What&#039;s the point of this type of scholastic discussion, unless to influence policy or politics? -- and that epoch is over. Property is being re-implemented in functional, decentralized code, making it rigorously intelligible for the first time in history. It&#039;s time to start catching up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all seems like arbitrary sign-shuffling in comparison to what Satoshi Nakamoto has done. What&#8217;s the point of this type of scholastic discussion, unless to influence policy or politics? &#8212; and that epoch is over. Property is being re-implemented in functional, decentralized code, making it rigorously intelligible for the first time in history. It&#8217;s time to start catching up.</p>
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		<title>By: SanguineEmpiricist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-139663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SanguineEmpiricist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Compare to


http://www.propertarianism.com/ideas/
http://www.propertarianism.com/2014/09/28/moral-foundations-as-property-rights/
http://www.propertarianism.com/2013/01/15/the-complete-definition-of-property-excerpt-from-propertarianism/

Not even close.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare to</p>
<p><a href="http://www.propertarianism.com/ideas/" rel="nofollow">http://www.propertarianism.com/ideas/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.propertarianism.com/2014/09/28/moral-foundations-as-property-rights/" rel="nofollow">http://www.propertarianism.com/2014/09/28/moral-foundations-as-property-rights/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.propertarianism.com/2013/01/15/the-complete-definition-of-property-excerpt-from-propertarianism/" rel="nofollow">http://www.propertarianism.com/2013/01/15/the-complete-definition-of-property-excerpt-from-propertarianism/</a></p>
<p>Not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-139599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m being sloppy, and treating an autonomized self-improving Pythia-capitalist Gödel &lt;a href=&quot;http://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/goedelmachine.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;machine&lt;/a&gt; as a definitive &#039;finalization&#039; (from the human perspective).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m being sloppy, and treating an autonomized self-improving Pythia-capitalist Gödel <a href="http://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/goedelmachine.html" rel="nofollow">machine</a> as a definitive &#8216;finalization&#8217; (from the human perspective).</p>
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		<title>By: E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-139555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no human formalization exhausts potentiality, for sure. I think formalizations that are as complete as possible over being as consistent as possible usually are superior; but Godel&#039;s theorem suggests that completeness (and then I guess, finalization) eludes every formalization at LEAST inasmuch as the theory has to contend with the causes and ramifications of its own existence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no human formalization exhausts potentiality, for sure. I think formalizations that are as complete as possible over being as consistent as possible usually are superior; but Godel&#8217;s theorem suggests that completeness (and then I guess, finalization) eludes every formalization at LEAST inasmuch as the theory has to contend with the causes and ramifications of its own existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Psy-Ops</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-139265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Psy-Ops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 07:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been a Right Singularity the scale and seriousness of which is yet to be fully understood. The next month will continue with Malthussian scarcity and tech-comm secrecy, but soon enough the question of property will have my unimpeded attention. At which time any relentless leftward forces will self-dissipate or risk being locked in. A test is fine if one remembers there will be consequences unknown. I do hope somebody has been reading what has passed between myself and one other. It is the Great Filter specialised. Plus I&#039;m new to this and have had a rough start. I&#039;m not complaining. Peace is short, war is long. I fight for all of us and our freedom. Unity is needed, for in our trust is our survival.  May Gnon have mercy on our souls. 

Dionysus  

p.s demand needn&#039;t be Jacobin, the supply certainly isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a Right Singularity the scale and seriousness of which is yet to be fully understood. The next month will continue with Malthussian scarcity and tech-comm secrecy, but soon enough the question of property will have my unimpeded attention. At which time any relentless leftward forces will self-dissipate or risk being locked in. A test is fine if one remembers there will be consequences unknown. I do hope somebody has been reading what has passed between myself and one other. It is the Great Filter specialised. Plus I&#8217;m new to this and have had a rough start. I&#8217;m not complaining. Peace is short, war is long. I fight for all of us and our freedom. Unity is needed, for in our trust is our survival.  May Gnon have mercy on our souls. </p>
<p>Dionysus  </p>
<p>p.s demand needn&#8217;t be Jacobin, the supply certainly isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-138795</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2014 01:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Formalization is the history of capitalism. It&#039;s not only possible, but demonstrated. The most you can plausibly claim is that formalization is not finalizable (and I might even agree with you about that -- but probably not).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Formalization is the history of capitalism. It&#8217;s not only possible, but demonstrated. The most you can plausibly claim is that formalization is not finalizable (and I might even agree with you about that &#8212; but probably not).</p>
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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/owned/#comment-138772</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2014 00:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Formalization is impossible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Formalization is impossible.</p>
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