Post-Democratic Politics

Apparently we’re already in the next phase:

To call Trumpism fascist is to suggest that it demands from us a unique response. We can deploy the “fascism” moniker to Trump’s ascendance by recognizing features like selective populism, nationalism, racism, traditionalism, the deployment of Newspeak and disregard for reasoned debate. The reason we should use the term is because, taken together, these aspects of Trumpism are not well combated or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason. It is constitutive of its fascism that it demands a different sort of opposition.

I doubt whether they’ve thought this through, but don’t let that get in the way of progress.

January 22, 2017admin 38 Comments »
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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    these aspects of Trumpism are not well combated or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason.

    The Enlightenment™ angle comes out. Human reason, by the Leftist definition, means the lowest common denominator human problems like impulse control, pathological self-deception, fear and paranoia.

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    Asher Reply:

    Yeah, that bit immediately grabbed me too. Anyone spending any amount of time on Twitter is going to laugh at “standard liberal appeals to reason”.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I should have gotten on twitter sooner, it’s making me more evil and more beautiful. Careful though, the groupthink there is strong.

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    The left’s version of the Enlightenment is that “the lowest common denominator human problems” and generally anti-civilizational behavior are to be pandered to at all costs. That might surprise philosophers like John Locke, but that’s because there hadn’t been a French Revolution at the time.
    “Antifa” is simply a communist movement aiming at dictatorship, nothing more.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Karl Rove channeling Lewis Carols Tortoise back in 2003

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” (Ron Suskind, NYTimes Magazine, Oct. 17, 2004).

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 2:35 pm Reply | Quote
  • Space Ghost Says:

    She has a point. The reason there was never a second World War is that antifa spent *years* streetfighting and beer-hall-fighting the Freikorps in the 20s. Imagine what sort of terrifying organization the Freikorps would have turned into without that sort of opposition.

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 3:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • darkreformation101 Says:

    The Tribal trap.

    As Caesar said after Pharsulus: “they wanted this.”

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 4:22 pm Reply | Quote
  • darkreformation101 Says:

    Looks like Alrenous was right: democracy is finished in America.

    It would be good to get the left to push that meme hard — push the dialectic.

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    Erebus Reply:

    It would be good, and perhaps even necessary, to really push secessionism hard as well — with Calexit and every other emerging movement. Otherwise… well… things might get ugly.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Its True secession like other unthinkable are now remote possibilities and perhaps tempting but I havnt seen that really examined do we really win with flyover country and the gulf, do we ask for more, do we lose the smart fraction at first then attract them over time? Can we push the minorities out by things like eliminating welfare without them rioting or the cathedral states invading, whats the two state immigration policy and other policies.

    My gut feeling is we already have a technically still binding constitution of autonomous states with a common military and foreign affairs and the offer should be instead of civil war and secession how about we go back to live and let live. Even one state that gets hardcore will succeed enough to cause a chain reaction.

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 4:26 pm Reply | Quote
  • bomag Says:

    it demands a different sort of opposition.

    I.e., we need more boots on more faces.

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 4:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • Apatheos Says:

    Univ of Washington president responds to violence with “Why did I let the event to go on?”

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    Apatheos Reply:

    *allow

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 5:46 pm Reply | Quote
  • Jefferson Says:

    I had suggested that something like this might happen if Trump were to win, but this is exceeding my expectations considerably.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    It happened faster than I thought. The Cathedral caught on with commendable alacrity.

    The Cathedral rightly considers DJT’s mission to destroy the Cathedral – ironically, because DJT does not appreciate that the Cathedral exists. DJT still thinks POTUS rules. The Cathedral will escalate until it is dead, because if it loses, it’s dead anyway.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    The Cathedral could have been overconfident. A younger version could have rolled with DJT’s punches. The old sclerotic version cannot, so it’s completely correct to come out of the gate swinging. (This is what will blindside many, e.g. Scott Adams.)

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 6:01 pm Reply | Quote
  • SVErshov Says:

    Definitely they did not ‘thought this through’ – diagnisys: senile infantilism of left. Trump is essentially instrumentalist, RealPoliticker. that would be mistake to see his position as based on any kind of ideological or radical principles. he would demonstrate unprincipled readiness to sacrifice any popular sentiments for political benefites. he operate by very simple and effective paradigm: cost of instrument vs its utilities. he is going to dissapoint more people then any other US president in history. first of all because what he got: on one hand is country fool of infintile autists on another hand set of immanent impossibilities. so, at least theoretically civil war is very likely.

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 6:12 pm Reply | Quote
  • SVErshov Says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq6MS1zFOkQ
    Philip Glass Symphony No.6 (Plutonian Ode) – 3rd movement

    require some patience for the first 4 minutes

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Cool.
    Here’s my favourite piece of Glass –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OacVy8_nJi0

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    SVErshov Reply:

    my favorite Violin Conferto/ Schnittke Concerto Grosso by Kremer , kind of quick switch between realities, mental exit.

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 6:37 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    SVErshov is the cool Hindu archetype of the “Brahmin”, Artxell Knaphni the not cool Moldbuggian archetype of the “Brahmin”.

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 7:30 pm Reply | Quote
  • Ur-mail Says:

    http://thoughtsonthedead.com/on-the-propriety-of-punching-nazis-an-faq/

    The left already preparing its bizarre dialectic for genocide

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 10:17 pm Reply | Quote
  • Durtal Says:

    For me the most interesting thing about the article was the admission that antifas don’t really do (or understand) memes.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    They were really saying damn the right figured out how to do it too.

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    Posted on January 22nd, 2017 at 11:40 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    This Fascism is a ruse the antifa go nowhere what they want is speech laws and control of the internet, this is just special pleading to get the laws, Trumps going to want to distance himself and may cave on this, The entire right will be shut down, hate crimes, hate speech,fake news,its all the their last piece of the puzzle.

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  • John Hannon Says:

    @admin
    Just heard Laurie Taylor on the radio paying tribute to Mark Fisher.
    An interesting looking legacy to look into.

    http://www.factmag.com/2017/01/14/mark-fisher-k-punk-capitalist-realism-has-died/

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  • yado Says:

    @bomagIt’s just a justification for heightened violence, less discussion, less thinking, less actual engagement.

    I just can’t wrap my head around it. At this point I’m starting to realize I’m – in some way – a leftist. It’s frustrating since I honestly despise – HATE – the people running the left right now. I hate the silence about these SJW types, I hate the total lack of criticism toward them and their “aura” or the general way they act. I just don’t remember the so called “left” ever really being like this. I know these people have always existed – but forgive me, it really seems to me that the left used to have a rational reason to exist. Some will disagree, but giving women a right to vote, helping make minorities have more rights, etc… these things had to happen. The left basically created that.

    And even in the 70s and so on… I think that some of the intellectual stuff going on about things was interesting and fun to read. What I don’t understand is … what went wrong? This Modern Left … I can’t even call it the left anymore. It’s like a pseudo-left more than anything. I just don’t get what happened. I don’t see anything of actual interest happening, or really just a very minor degree of interesting things being said. The “Cathedral” is real and actually I think it extends mostly toward the academy. The thing is, I just don’t think the left always had this stream of pure, distilled anti-intellectualism inside of it. I mean, it seems like there was a time when invention and creativity in and of themselves were respected as a sort of “energy” or something that is fundamental to the progressive “project” – whatever that project would be.

    I’m wanting to articulate this. I just don’t see that – at all – in the left anymore. They’ve been essentially undermined and completely subverted by bullies – lowest common denominator gutter trash of the human race makes up a large portion of the most vocal bully kinds of people. But I know that ALL leftists aren’t like that… “gutter trash.” Not sure what I’m trying to say, this just frustrates me. Wasn’t always like this. I honestly even thought Occupy was smart in a way. Something changed. This wasn’t a natural change. Good, decent people changed by these events. The “SJW” contingent in the left is a cancer, and honestly if it got cut out like a cancer I’d probably consider myself a leftist again. I just don’t see that happening. Nobody wants to call the problem what it is because they think it empowers them to have these lump in a high state of agitation, then they can be militarized to get involved. Of course at the cost of any level of actual creativity or culture being allowed, because that requires some degree of actual unity – which is absolutely impossible when your entire “movement” is comprised of bullying and repression.

    It’s time for it to be destroyed.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    few leftists actually have thought through leftismm those that have consider it in opposition to a false opposition. The only fully awake leftists are the ones running it purely for power

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    Pseudo-chrysostom Reply:

    >but giving women a right to vote, helping make minorities have more rights, etc… these things had to happen.

    Lol, no.

    Sovereignty is conserved; the lionization and accrual of greater privileges by inferior kinds naturally comes through the marginalization of the true, good, and beautiful.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I think hes demonstrably right. Because of various advancements it no linger was possible or preferable to keep 98% of the worlds population under slaver serfdom colonialism etc. This was bound to cause lots of social change. I think its a no brainier that these things were bound to happen and once started bound to play all the way out. Sure in hindsight we can imagine a very narrow path where we get through the transition without making any mistakes, Im not convinced even with foreknowledge that narrow path could actually have been navigated. So hes correct it had to happen but you are correct its not the ideal. However Im not so sure its even for naught, Having been there and done that its out of the way we are inoculated. This is not a minor point. I think much of reaction assumes the way things played out once wlll be the way they might again if allowed. Initial conditions can never be the same.We cant unknow we made mistakes. Conversely we cant simply rewind to before the mistakes and re enslave the world.At least not in the same way. I can see doing colonialism as management for fee, nigger nations with something worth trading could contract with nations to manage them in return for what the first world wants, though i think exterminating them is a better plan. women think is a tough problem particularly in the transition, war is probably the best way to get them back in the kitchen, once back in a traditional role they will adjust but getting them from here to there tough. Ethno states is only way to get anything done, its nothing to do with muh fuher and peeps its just the best way to organize

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    Collen, you’re confusing freedom (being allowed to do what you want, within reason) with power (being allowed to tell other people what to do).

    You can argue that gunpowder made it impossible to avoid sharing power with the common man, but that’s not what you seem to be saying here.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    He’s confused because he’s intellectually inferior & doesn’t know his place.
    There’s nothing wrong with being stupid, but he could at least be pleasant about it, instead of the nasty genocidal nutcase he seems so wont to portray.

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  • T Says:

    @yado: Be cool bud. True story, the *vast* majority of folk who subscribe to NRX and its variants were, once upon a time, progs. I was a prog though and through, honestly speaking, not that long ago (4 years maybe).

    We get here in different ways, for me it was /r/theredpill. For others it was race realism, etc etc. For others, maybe ribbonfarm, maybe overcoming bias, maybe the last psychiatrist, maybe edge.org, or neuropolitics.org … Welcome to the dark side.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    All identity politics are regressive for the times. How an anachronism such as separatism is becoming so trendy makes me think that almost 90% of the people on both sides are participating in some national, perverse form of hipster culture.

    The post-democratic meltdown we are seeing shows the limits of politics in a national framework. It also portends a transnational-demotist body politic, if the people can add up two and two.

    Why not a TPP for the commoner who has to compete internationally for jobs in productive capital? We should emulate power through our demands if only to magnify the disparity of the relative power of our social classes. An ironist standpoint within politics is the first step to building a faithful politics for our time.

    The lack of irony is a lack of faith itself. The right and left are truly in a holy war of non-believers. Only sentimentality saves them from the dishonesty of their own work.

    The Left denies multiculturalism is a form of nationalism. Yet it is a nationalism that – while de-emphasizing whites – also adds wars, foreign interventions and military adventurism to its list of activities. As refugees flood in, the Left can claim their victimhood as terrorists push the populace towards harder forms of nationalism. If the Left isn’t the arsonist and the fireman!

    The Right correctly assumes multiculturalism implies transnational identity. What they do not see is that the trans-national (with all allusion to the anxiety and revulsion marked by the trans-sexual) is not some cultural essence into which we reflexively self-categorize. It structures our being. It structures the factical. It is the center of relativism. It produces black, white, queer, and female concepts of nationality and ends politics.

    The collective forfeiture of identity for transnational subject-hood would effectively reenter us into politics.

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  • c23 Says:

    The debate among the left is whether it’s morally justified to violently silence “fascists.” It doesn’t seem to occur to any of them that “fascists” might hit back. This Natasha Lennard has a twitter where she makes it abundantly clear that she’s an black bloc antifa herself, and she has a lot of friends/followers/followees like that who are essentially doxxing themselves. They might get a knock and the door one night and regret that they escalated violence back in ’17. The fact that they are self-doxxing and openly advocating violence indicates that they probably haven’t even considered that possibility, or at least haven’t taken it seriously.

    Some of these people are writers for respectable publications. Mainstream liberals could still stop this by marginalizing antifas, but if they’re giving them a platform, that’s not what’s happening.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    This neo-tribal fervor is a sure sign we’re in postmodernity. People want back what they never had.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Man, I wish Moldbug was still around. I’d like to read an obnoxiously long essay of his titled “Donald Trump, without that warm glow”.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    @SVErshov

    One of my recent favorites:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vYzrD9eBE

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