Progress (IV)


Facile progressivism is over.

January 12, 2016admin 36 Comments »
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  • Different T Says:

    LOL. Great find.


    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 5:34 pm Reply | Quote
  • viriya Says:

    The Churchian progs excommunicated Dawkins years ago.


    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 6:16 pm Reply | Quote
  • Hurlock Says:

    I distinctly remember how just 10 years ago Richard Dawkins was a rising star of progressive liberalism…now he is officially a conservative…

    My, time really does fly, doesn’t it? Cthulhu is really fast these days…


    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 7:31 pm Reply | Quote
  • Thales Says:

    Dawkins wrote that over five years ago — you’d think he’d have joined us revanchists by now…


    Hurlock Reply:

    I bet he secretly checks out Xenosystems every night before bed…


    Mike Reply:

    Almost certainly he’s read How Dawkins Got Pwned by now – I doubt it could have escaped his notice for this long.


    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    He has. I think soap find it in his twitter feed awhile ago.

    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 7:49 pm Reply | Quote
  • Bettega Says:

    Having “mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity”, in so far as Christianity being a “bulwark against something worse” is what’s been saving Christianity from actualy disappearing since it was rationally refuted somwhere in the XVIIIth century.

    After seeing the horror unleashed by the French Revolution, celebrated by the rationalistic “philosophes”, François-René de Chateaubriand reverted to the Christianity of his childhood and wrote the “Génie du christianisme”, which was responsible for the Christian revival of the XIXth century. In the XXth century too, Christianity has been used as a bulwark against communism, from South Korea to Italy, and of course in the United States.


    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 8:24 pm Reply | Quote
  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    That’s rubbish!
    US Christian organisations directly finance & orchestrate terrorism in India.
    They spend billions on it.


    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    Really? Link with evidence please. I’m interested.


    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 8:30 pm Reply | Quote
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  • Neo Soliar Says:

    First citations? Second if true then the militant groups are probably Muslims.


    Neo Soliar Reply:

    Intended for @Artex Knaphni


    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    @Neo Soliar & @SanguineEmpiricist

    There lots:

    Further information: Tripura rebellion

    The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), is a rebel group that seeks the secession of Tripura, North-East India, and is a proscribed terrorist organization in India. Group activities have been described as Christian terrorists engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs.[42][54][55] The NLFT includes in its aims the forced conversion of all tribespeople in Tripura to Christianity.[56] The NLFT says that it is fighting not only for the removal of Bengali immigrants from the tribal areas, “but also for the tribal areas of the state to become overtly Christian”, and “has warned members of the tribal community that they may be attacked if they do not accept its Christian agenda”.[57] The NLFT is listed as a terrorist organization in the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002.[58] The state government contends that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT.[59][60][61] Reports from the state government and Indian media describe activities such as the acquisition by the NLFT of explosives through the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura,[61] and threats of killing Hindus celebrating religious festivals.[62] Over 20 Hindus in Tripura were reported to have been killed by the NLFT from 1999 to 2001 for resisting forced conversion to Christianity.[63] According to Hindus in the area, there have also been forced conversions of tribal villagers to Christianity by armed NLFT militants.[63] These forcible conversions, sometimes including the use of “rape as a means of intimidation”, have also been noted by academics outside of India.[64] In 2000, the NLFT broke into a temple and gunned down a popular Hindu preacher popularly known as Shanti Kali.[65]
    Further information: Ethnic conflict in Nagaland

    The Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN) is also a Christian[66] Naga nationalist Militant group operating in North India.[67][68] The main aim of the organization is to establish a sovereign Christian state, “Nagalim”[69] unifying all the areas inhabited by the Naga people in Northeast India and Burma.[70] The organization’s slogan is “Nagaland for Christ”.[71][72][73][74][75][76] Its manifesto is based on the principle of Socialism for economic development and a Baptist Christian religious outlook ‘Nagaland for Christ’.[77] In some of their documents the NSCN has called for recognizing only Christianity in Nagalim.[78] They believe in Christian theocracy.[79] The NSCN has been declared a terrorist organisation in India under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967.[80] It is believed that the organisation primarily raises funds through trafficking drugs from Burma and selling smuggled weapons to other insurgent groups in the region.[81] The group reportedly indulges in kidnapping, extortion and other terrorist activities.[82][83][84][85][86][87][88][89][90] NSCN is accused of carrying out the 1992–1993 ethnic cleansing of Kuki tribes in Manipur, said to have leave over 900 people dead. During that NSCN-IM operation, 350 Kuki villages were driven out and about 100,000 Kukis were turned into refugees[91]

    On 3 August 2015 NSCN leader T. Muivah signed a peace accord with the Government of India in the presence of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Home Minister Rajnath Singh, and NSA Ajit Doval.[92]”


    “Is there any evidence of external funding of these Christian terrorists?

    The United States government and the CIA was—and if the Indian government is right— still is the major supplier of arms and ammunition to these Christian terror groups. Presently the terror groups are also known to have links with the Maoists in Nepal, Karens in Burma and the drug lords in Cambodia, Burma and Laos.””

    “Census Data, which was released in 2010, summarizes the pathetic situation of the Hindus in Manipur. On average, a Hindu Manipuri woman is having just 2.35 children in her life (just above the 2.33 needed for population growth). Christian women are having 3.71 children each and Muslim women are having 4.15 children each.

    As the Hindu population decreases, terrorist organisations like NSCN are likely to strengthen their hold on the general population and demands for secession are likely to follow. Just look at the case of Nagaland. In 1960s, Jawaharlal Nehru opened up Tripura and Nagaland for Christian missionaries. Tripuris have a long Hindu history and were mostly unsympathetic to Christian conversion, and only a few Kukis and Halam converted there. But in Nagaland, almost 95% of the population converted and now the remaining Hindus, mostly the Dima people are facing forced religious conversions.”


    India is losing Manipur due to Christian terrorism


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    more here, “christian terrorists in india”


    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 10:33 pm Reply | Quote
  • Cristina Says:

    “Having “mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity”, in so far as Christianity being a “bulwark against something worse” is what’s been saving Christianity from actualy disappearing since it was rationally refuted somwhere in the XVIIIth century.”
    Why is that, I wonder? How is it possible that the rational mind have not been able to be a “bulwark” against that “something worse”?


    Tokoloshe Reply:

    When a horse “spooks”, it’s a completely irrational response—a trait, passed on by their ancestors, that has allowed them to survive over ~3.5 million years. Christianity is no different.


    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    “Astronomers quail at the three-body problem and throw up their hands in surrender before the four-body problem. Any given moment in history is a problem of at least two billion bodies.”

    — “F. W. Taylor”, from C. M. Kornbluth’s novel, Syndic


    Mark Citadel Reply:

    There are undoubtedly many reasons, but remember that De Maistre critiqued reason itself as the new god of the French Enlightenment, declaring that it would plunge the character of France into constant revolution as the crude nature of science was repeatedly overthrown by every new theory.

    I maintain, the core of society must be unquestionable, it must be shrouded in mystery and the esoteric, something the Catholic and Orthodox Churches managed to do so well, just as most of their religious predecessors around the world had done to varying degrees. This is one of the key sociopolitical functions of religion as the axis of the state, and of course its attending priestly caste. Dawkins, I’m sure, thinks he is very reasonable, but if he has reasoned his own suicide then what use truly is his reason in the first place?

    Human reason is very much fallible, and at most junctures suboptimal. It follows from this then, that while reason can comb the superficial structures of a state and improve them, experiment and tinker, and generally make livelihoods better, systems more efficient, and dealings more realistic, it should be restrained from an approach to the ‘engine room’.

    If we can imagine the coupled metaphysics and physics of a society as a kind of Titanic, somebody of Dawkins’ nature would re-arrange deck chairs wonderfully and according to a perfect geometry for maximum wow effect. Let him down below however, and he is liable to tell us how our engine could run better on an experimental fuel which would subsequently detonate the entire ship and sink us to a watery grave.


    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    @Mark Citadel “coupled metaphysics and physics”

    The structural hierarchy you’re suggesting, with its deckchairs & engine, is precisely the kind of metaphysical model put in question by philosophical critique.
    Using a modernist metaphor, a ‘vessel with an engine’; to valorise “mystery and the esoteric”, & “key sociopolitical functions of religion”, over the alleged crudities of Science; is an interesting, if potentially ironic, combination.
    Is this ‘functionalisation’ of “mystery and the esoteric”, not scientific?
    Does not the chosen metaphor, a Heideggerian “enframing”, reflect such ‘functionalisation’, a turning of “mystery and the esoteric” into “equipment”?
    These questions do not necessarily refute your assertions, rather they invite deeper consideration, beyond the conventional images attributed to “Science” & “Mystery”.

    In what way, is the notion of a destabilising “constant revolution”, unlike that of religious upheaval, with its attendant schisms & transformations, & even “new god[s]”?


    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Religious upheavals have occurred certainly, and each have their reasons, but I would argue this often is caused by the natural spiritual degradation that occurs and is unavoidable. By the end of its life, European Paganism had degraded into a very much “lunar” spirituality according to Evola. This was part of the reason why it was so easily wiped away. Also, it should be noted that despite spiritual upheavals and changes in ritual practices among people, either through conversion, invasion, top-down decree, or bottom-up explosions, the fundamental character of Traditional society is not changed. The same kinds of sociopolitical structures emerge. Going from Ancient Rome to the Ghibelline Middle Ages was a little like “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

    When all mystery was torn asunder, there has been a perpetual massacring of people’s beliefs with each passing generation. How long did it take for Americans to begin considering the Founding Fathers as nasty racists for slavery, and Columbus an evil madman for smallpox blankets? A reasonably lengthy amount of time for that evolution in moral value to shift and become rank condemnation in light of ‘real history’, free of romanticizing. Then consider how quickly it occurred that views on marriage from a mere ten years ago were now utterly reprehensible and worse than rape. That occurred within a single presidential term. Not only are the upheavals more frequent, but they are in fact increasing in velocity towards some end…

    Richard Dawkins is actually a prime example. Many good ardent Liberals are now turning against him for his faults, his heresies, and yet just yesterday it seemed he was the cat who got the cream.

    Would I consider mystery and religion a kind of science in the sociopolitical sense? I’m unsure. René Guénon distinguished between what he called “sacred science” and “profane science”. They certainly aren’t a kind of science which we can study and perfect in the same way as chemistry. We only appear to get fragments, signs and symbols, momentary revelations and prophesy, like a flicker of light that comes into existence for a second and then disappears. It appears less and less now that we have entered the depths of this Iron Age of acceleration.

    I was using the metaphor to illustrate a point, I hope that wasn’t misinterpreted as being more connected than it was. I only mean to say that men like Dawkins shouldn’t be at the switch, but their talents can be put to good use on superficial elements.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    “I maintain, the core of society must be unquestionable, it must be shrouded in mystery and the esoteric”

    It is called the Cathedral, after all.


    Mark Citadel Reply:

    You see, I disagree. The Cathedral can be questioned, but only by its up-and-coming Brahmins and select classes. Its internal evolution is driven by constant self-scrutiny from its most puritanical elements.The Cathedral of the American Revolution was felled by another Cathedral, and that has subsequently been felled by an ever-increasing succession. A good visual for this was presented on the various university campuses recently in places like Missouri:

    Smug white Liberals who no doubt considered themselves Brahmins with all the correct doctrines on race, were hounded out of their jobs by a new Cathedral iteration which sees the very existence of white skin as being racist.

    The Cathedral shifts as the occult motivator behind it warps itself, a virus that overthrows itself from within. Of course, we cannot question it, because we’re… how do they say it now… “privileged”? But what exactly is it that we’re not allowed to question? Yesterday it was democracy, today its transgender nine year olds. The occult motivator we’re dealing with here is the most unstable religion in known history. Draw from that what you will about its nature.

    The more I observe about the current ruling elite, the more Moldbug’s hypothesis about ‘ultracalvinism’ seems to fit with what we’re seeing. He was, at the very least, partially correct.

    Posted on January 12th, 2016 at 11:47 pm Reply | Quote
  • NRx_N00B Says:

    admin, if you haven’t already seen it, check out his ClockBoy Twitter rant, you might find it amusing.


    Posted on January 13th, 2016 at 1:16 am Reply | Quote
  • TJEL Says:

    An old quote, but still enjoyable to read. It’s refreshing to know that Dawkins possesses more common sense reasonableness than the staunch and unwavering dogmatic atheists who prop him up as their unofficial king representative. It really reinforces the fact that we’re living in a Kafka reality.


    Posted on January 13th, 2016 at 3:25 am Reply | Quote
  • pyrrhus Says:

    The light dawns….something far worse slouches towards Bethlehem to be born….


    Posted on January 13th, 2016 at 6:10 am Reply | Quote
  • Mark Citadel Says:

    Oh, dear. Has that secular-Jihad soldier of yore perhaps seen the ‘sinister glow’ cast by his world’s own fall I wonder? Too late now, Richard. We’re already in too deep and this septic tank will only be escaped by swimming down and through the pipes.

    I’m glad however that he recognized the pleasantness of the Occidental character combined with Christian spirituality, vis-a-vis the Arab/Islamic way of day to day life. Had he spent less time pulling a classic Bill Nye, and convincing the world of non-existent philosophy credentials in order to peddle books, he might have put what I’m sure is a brain of some prowess to better use and discovered something meaningful about what passed unseen in the world around him, he might have smelt the rotting stench of the West’s carcass, and yes, he might have just fallen to his knees and begged God for redemption.


    RJ Moore II Reply:

    Even better, he might have stuck to what he was good at and done some more useful work in evolution and biology, instead of traveling about having debates with idiots in front of smug college students.


    Grotesque Body Reply:

    As far as I’m aware Chomsky created the formula for famous scientists leveraging their intellectual capital into juicier political areas. Unless there’s an antecedent to Chomsky (although arguably we could go all the way back to Plato on this) I’m unaware of, Dawkins, Nye and the rest are his spawn.


    Mark Citadel Reply:

    The parallels between Dawkins and Nye are uncanny. Both smugly exploit the brahmin status given to ‘experts’ in order to make cash, feigning knowledge in fields that their academic qualifications are entirely unrelated to.

    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Yeah. Although as naive as Dawkins is, he’s nowhere near as much of a clown as Nye. There’s no way to know this for sure, but I suspect that Dawkins’ career has been driving by about 50% earnest conviction in athest rationalism and 50% lust for book sales, while I reckon Nye is more cynical and self-serving, probably a 20-80 split there.

    R.J. Moore II Reply:

    As an archnemesis of the Cathedral and its credentialist annointing of Priests, I should say that Dawkins’ field and his lecturing circuit being unrelated is not the problem. In fact, outside particle physics, going to Uni. is likely to make you less likely to hold realistic views than any random shit you get from a meth addict tranny in a gas station. Smart people status seek, thus smart people end up in seminary; seminary does not make people smart.

    R.J. Moore II Reply:

    We played a superhero RPG (D&D nerdery) and my friend was Evil Bill Nye, he was a universe hopping mad scientist bent on white supremacy and nuclear power. He had a goatee.

    Posted on January 13th, 2016 at 8:16 am Reply | Quote
  • RJ Moore II Says:

    That ‘something worse’ is probably his own ideology, as mildly sane as he appears thanks to his intelligence and being an older, whiter sort of Westerner. The nutballs running around today are the products of Dawkinsian liberalism, whether Da’esh or the Rainbow Coalition in the USA.


    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Dawkins fell into a strange gray area, where he was very lonely. On the one hand, Conservatives who still valued Christianity despised him for his poisonous tongue, but the purer adherents of Progress than he despised his ‘cloaked racism’, sexism, and Islamophobia. Dawkins ultimately was a casualty of the rapid increase in velocity present at the centroid of the Cult of Progress, but Moldbug got it right, he was at heart a good Progressive pseudo-Protestant, just not good enough as the ground shifted beneath him. Men who only know how to sneer typically lose the wars of virtue signaling.

    My estimation is that, depending on how long the Cathedral can keep things together in Europe, Dawkins will either end up in a re-education camp or his head will decorate the wall of an Islamist. Even then he’d probably still just lament the Islamist’s “imaginary friend”.


    R.J. Moore II Reply:

    It’s all quite annoying, the way the Cathedral sends people off onto these IdiotQuests, because Dawkins’ stuff that is actually on biology is not only interesting but very well written. Comparing ‘The Selfish Gene’ or even ‘The Blind Watchmaker’ to his ‘God Delusion: 35 Bad Arguments I Found on Wikipedia’ was not only boring and poorly written but manages to miss out on all the really solid arguments against magical nonsense (i.e. George H. Smith). Of course, smug atheist 112 IQ college kids can’t handle George H. Smith, Aristotilianism and ontological materialism is way too intolerant and patriarchal.


    Posted on January 13th, 2016 at 9:15 pm Reply | Quote
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