Putsch

As XS readers are most probably already aware, there’s an extremely intriguing experiment in authority taking place within the shadowy halls of NRx right now. The principal document, released by the Hestia Society, can be found here. It is succinct, sane, and merits careful digestion. Associated re-adjustments are noted in this More Right post, announcing a new home for “the Rationalist branch of NRx”, here.

In the absence of a formal foundation of sovereign property, a putsch is an entirely unobjectionable mechanism for the transfer — and in this case, more accurately, initial establishment — of social authority. The new inner council has been remarkably well-selected for sobriety and judgment (i.e., for what, in the English political parlance, is known as ‘bottom’). In both psychological and ideological respects, it incarnates a promise of sound government. The occasion for this development, as explained in the HS statement, is worth repeating here, due to the commendable lucidity of its diagnosis:

It’s become clear over the past year (mid 2014 to mid 2015) that “Neoreaction” is suffering a tragedy of the commons and lack of formal structure. Because no one has formally owned the #NRx brand, there have been a lot of territorial skirmishes, confusion about who’s in, who’s out, and who’s in charge, disruption of the interesting theoretical work, and bad behaviour lasting months or years that wouldn’t last days in a serious organization.

There are a great many, very interesting, theoretical questions remaining about the viability of any authoritative institution in the absence of definite disciplinary mechanisms. This blog will certainly be delving into such problems, in future posts. For the moment, however, something approximating closely to a declaration of fealty seems appropriate. From the Xenosystems perspective, the NRx brand has never been entrusted to safer hands.

ADDED: The Inner Council.

ADDED: Some background.

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  • Ted Colt Says:

    “…bad behaviour lasting months or years that wouldn’t last days in a serious organization.”

    Ever followed the latest news from the Freemasons and Shriners? No? I’ll help.

    http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2012/01/shrine-response-to-grand-lodge-of.html

    Sanity may yet prevail, but I don’t _yet_ anticipate it for NRx.

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  • Warg Franklin Says:

    Ha! Thanks for your support. We hope this keeps the drama down so we can all focus on the important part: advancing the theory and strategic position of this thing, whatever it turns out to be.

    Yes we’re quite aware of the untrodden territory we are now entering, and are quite pleased with how well Moldbug’s Procedure has worked so far:

    1. Become Worthy
    2. Accept Power
    3. Rule

    If we seek to do anything interesting and sovereign, we can’t be relying on Cathedral or USG granted institutional legitimacy like a LLC. But then what do we rely on? Crypto shares? Blood and honor? Control of key institutions? Raw ape politics? Drones? We’ll just have to wait and see.

    Very interesting times ahead.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    This is probably going to come across as more pointed than I intend.

    I’ve been thinking about how not-passivism contradicts ‘become worthy’ lately. The attempt to court popular opinion seems to cause betrayal of the virtues necessary for good rule with startlingly rapidity.

    I haven’t yet got to the point where I can outline an essence, but for example it’s inevitable that the correct honest attitude for ruler to ruled is condescension, which is rhetorically counterproductive. However, lying is bad mmmkay.

    Further there’s the issue of petitioning the masses. Whether for scholar sovereignty or warrior sovereignty, petitioning in this way is 100% demotist and/or leftist. The rightist makes the masses petition them. (One again annoyed that I forgot the only good definition of left/right I ever saw.)

    I should perhaps note that activism is only leftist if it’s political. Someone engaging in self-promotion isn’t necessarily going to poison themselves, it’s only if they’re doing it for the purposes of engaging in or influencing coercion.*

    *(Defined as imposing your values on someone else who hasn’t first tried to do the same to you.)

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  • Chris B Says:

    Better late than never. Now if you all have any sense you will start dealing with the MPC/natsoc/ 8chan attacks which Anissimov has helpfully attracted. Excellent opportunity for reverse colonisation.

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    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Seconded.

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  • xaver Says:

    This is basically sorcery. A deliberately constructed mass hallucination made real by the coherent agreement in vision among the ingroup, and then braced and given structural integrity by the idea itself (the idea being formalism/property rights) (annisimov plays the role of the scapegoat/sacrifice for the necessary human drama part of the ritual)

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  • Spandrell Says:

    Lol.

    That’s all I have to say

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    Thales Reply:

    +1 and +popcorn

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    Hurlock Reply:

    Sit back and enjoy the show, fellas.

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Says:

    The inner circle has auspicious timing. A good portent for the future. All felicity to the Hestia Society!

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  • Peter A. Taylor Says:

    “The Rationalist branch”? This doesn’t seem to map onto the Trichotemy. Is there some group in particular from whom the “rationalists” feel a need to distance themselves (other than obviously the members of the black list)?

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    “Rationalist” in that they came out of the Less Wrong/Rationalist movement.

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    Warg Franklin Reply:

    The trichotomy is neat as a conceptual tool for not getting too far down any of its branches, but I don’t think it’s accurate as a description of actual factions. As far as I can tell, all the best NRx theorists don’t take sides on it. HBD-aware nationalism, religious traditionalism, and neocameralist capitalism all contain useful insights, but I think the trike just reminds us not to neglect any of them, rather than describing actual categories we could or should fit into.

    The “Rationalist Branch” refers to there being a number of us: Erik M, Nyan, Konkvistador, Anton, Athrelon, Myself, sortof Jim, sortof Sarah, etc, who take particular interest in achieving personal sanity, and who have some background with Lesswrong. It’s a branch of NRx in that we tend to group together in our opinions in distinctive ways, collaborate together, and have some degree of collective pull on NRx.

    Rationality is about distancing yourself from insanity, I guess. Not that the rest of NRx is insane; they’re not, which is why we like it here, but we are extra interested in *producing* that sanity in ourselves.

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    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    Count me in with the Rationalists if it’s not invite only or something. I’ll be making my own bloc eventually but I need to affiliate with sane people.

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    Mechanomica Reply:

    Pleasantly surprised by the new blog. This looks to be a genuinely mature and considered effort.

    NRx has long been in need of a sustainable way of keeping its more valuable nodes in a state of energetic (yet strategically sound) productivity. Without such a system in place, it becomes a magnet for people who have no idea how to keep their lives together and everything descends into a never-ending whine festival.

    Your team is laying out some clearly defined and useful objectives, as well as highlighting the importance of a firm commitment to behaviors and habits oriented toward the achievement of those objectives. From my perspective this is a very welcome development. A cultural shift in expectations along these lines carries with it the potential to spark a real renewal of the initial aims of the Dark Enlightenment.

    So… nice work! And thank you.

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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    A worthy experiment. Unfortunately, the descriptions the leadership have given themselves at the Fellows page are beaucoup cutesy-dumb.

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    Thales Reply:

    Placeholders, I hope. Dampier at least can surely do better. *harrumph*harrumph*

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  • Thrasymachus Says:

    There is no property, and nobody has any authority.

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    Erebus Reply:

    Agreed. What’s more, that’s the obviously “sane and rational” position. NRx is little more than a network of loosely-affiliated bloggers — it neither has nor needs “leadership.”

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    Hurlock Reply:

    People naturally feel the need for leadership and cohesive structure, especially the not-so-intelligent ones.
    If NRx was what it used to be, this idea of “official leadership” and what not would not even pass the laugh test. Unfortunately now that it is becoming a demotist movement pretty fast, you need something like it to handle the entropy.

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    Orthodox Laissez-fairist Reply:

    In all honesty it was junk even back then in the olden days of purported “Golden Age” of Dark Enlightenment, probably even greater junk than it is now. It’s just that back then you had Moldbug, Foseti and Handle blogging so it seemed as if you had something good going on, while all kind of stuff was being considered part of Neoreaction (WNs, manospheans, neo-confederates, paleoconservatives, libertarians etc.). If anything, it’s much better now, things have crystallized, and are much clearer. Namely now people automatically associate Neoreaction with Moldbug, and ‘Neoreaction’ is no longer synonym for ‘Alt-right’. And, of course, it’s probable that none of this would’ve been even contemplated without deadly combination of Twitter and Anissimov, that made it necessary. Conclusion – Anissimov is deranged, Twitter is toxic. I see good things for NRx in the future, despite lack of high-level contributors (I mean how many Moldbug completionists do you know anyway, let alone Foseti and Handle completionists); what was already written [hopefully] ain’t going away.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    This leadership is not credible because it does not include any of the most significant contributors to the formulation and development of Neoreactionary political theory. This is no doubt in part because those individuals have largely fallen silent as a direct consequence of the ever increasing volume – but ever decreasing quality – of Neoractionary discourse. Taking charge of a corpse will do little to reanimate it.

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    forkinhell Reply:

    NRx isn’t a rolling stone. It’s a cluster-bomb (or clusterfuck) or something akin. ‘A movement’ is fundamentally misleading, mentally. Like I say, that’s not how we roll.

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  • strelkov Says:

    NR[… 8chan-style juvenilia …]x only got their brand back because weev brutally pwnd Anissimov. Funny how they had to wait for a WN to act before they could clean house.

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    admin Reply:

    You know nothing about the actual time-line here, and what you’re guessing is wrong.

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    ReactionaryFerret Reply:

    All Weev did was document SoBL and Snark Enlightenment pwning Anissimov on twitter so that you WN half-wits could be aware of what he observed was going on. Weev contributed damn near nothing to the process, other than struct around like he accomplished something for nothing more than having been a witness to it.

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  • Frog Do Says:

    For goodness sake, their contact information is “hestiasociety@gmail.com”. They don’t even have their own servers, and are therefore directly subsidiary to Google, and therefore the USG. How can you even begin to make a claim to sovereignty without physical or digital territory?

    And another obvious question, does NRx have a stated position on intellectual property as property, in the context of brands? Is there some formalist legal system people can appeal to that I have not seen discussion of? I sincerely hope so.

    “From the Xenosystems perspective, the NRx brand has never been entrusted to safer hands.”
    It is not a particular good look for Xenosystems. I suppose this violates the idea of “no enemies to the Right”.

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    Rasputin Reply:

    No doubt, “quibbles” to follow…

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    going this far and not realizing that just having your own domain doesn’t mean you aren’t operating on the behest of google, and that all of your data isn’t being inspected by the NSA.

    To copy your data and have it sent to nearly any of us means the USG/Cathedral has access to it.

    I’m sure when they get around to it they’ll put a server in someone’s basement, attach a t1 line and run dovecot.

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    Frog Do Reply:

    I suppose because buglers can sledgehammer open a door you don’t bother locking it.

    And I was sure More Right could pay to keep its’ site up and Mike wouldn’t lose his shit on Twitter.

    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    if they just sign w/ pgp they will be fine, handling your own mail server is even riskier but using email for secure communications is also just wrong

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    Plot Reply:

    nice we’re already demanding new expenses. glory the infinite criteria!

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  • 9 Eyes Says:

    You tried to work from the outside in, and ended up with this as the terrestrial form that hosted your efforts. This as your lord and master. Surely that’s real degeneracy?

    Box yourself in with this company by all means. You know that nobody of merit will be attracted to this paltry internet authoritarianism. You are memetically dead in the water. This illusory control is a poor consolation prize for the trash-heap your movement has become.

    Excuse me whilst I go and craft another hyperstition to annihilate such mundanities.

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    admin Reply:

    “This as your lord and master.” — get a grip.

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    ReactionaryFerret Reply:

    Not likely. Checked out the /fringe shit. Full on schizo weirdness.

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    admin Reply:

    At least the ‘Aryan Wizards’ occasionally say something we haven’t all heard at least six million times before (excepting those of us who happen to work in secure psychiatric facilities).

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  • SVErshov Says:

    something is better then nothing. at least in this situation NRx leadership proved they can do some adequate steps and consolidate.

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  • Mark Citadel Says:

    As an outsider who is just plain Rx, I can’t really swear fealty, but Hestia’s command of the Social Matter website has seen some great content produced, and is a real asset to the radical right. This is a good step forward after months of frankly embarrassing crap on Twitter and such. My only improvement would be the addition of Nick B Steves, as he seems to be the issuer of Nrx Papal Excommunications.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Ah yes well great luck and this is an improvement, although authority is confined to ‘stay away from these guys as they’re mentally ill’, an improvement.

    Americans should remember on Memorial Day, as I believe the Brits and Canadians do on their respective days.

    Yes of course there’s no authority or property, but putting up a list of people who don’t speak for the ah ‘thing’ as they happen to be insane is needed.

    *As far as the Right makes the masses petition them: Yes when they have armies. At present the Left has [formal] control of the armies, as they listen to the masses, are engaged in a symbiotic relationship with them that is turning toxic …however without anyplace else to turn…vote GOP and hope for anything at all… if not the best.

    May I suggest that’s sufficient inward gazing for now, NRx is inherently amalgamation of ideas to attack Progress and it’s unwise to be pointed inwards.

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    Erebus Reply:

    @Vxxc2014 (also @Hurlock)

    If “NRx” is a term which denotes an intellectual movement, then “stay away from these guys as they’re mentally ill” is precisely the wrong attitude to take. I believe that people should be judged by the content they produce, solely. How they behave towards other people is of zero consequence.

    Take a look at some of the greatest thinkers and writers of European history:

    -Nietzche was downright insane, could not maintain long-lasting friendships, and seems to have died a virgin.
    -Edgar Allan Poe was disliked by all of his contemporaries, suffered from numerous addictions, and died alone in a ditch. If you’ve ever read his letters, 80% of them seem to involve begging acquaintances for money. (Ostensibly for business ventures, but typically spent on drink.)
    -Both Kant and Schopenhauer were exceedingly strange personalities. The latter nearly beat a woman to death, had a pathological relationship with his own mother, and was a devoted narcissist. (As Bertrand Russell wrote: “It is hard to find in his life evidences of any virtue except kindness to animals.”) Kant was an antisocial type and also died a virgin.
    -Europe’s most highly-regarded composers — Mozart and Beethoven — suffered from wild mood-swings. It has been posited, in multiple journals, that both of them suffered from manic-depressive disorder. (If they had access to Twitter, I’m sure their antics would be legendary.)
    -The logician Claude Shannon was… eccentric. His near-antecedent Kurt Gödel was especially strange, prone to paranoid fits of delusion.

    …The list goes on. You can’t discount thinkers on account of “insanity”. In doing so, you’d disqualify fully half of the greatest thinkers, writers, and artists of Europe and America.

    I’m not saying that people should be given carte blanche to act like fools. Give such people what they deserve: Shun them, ignore them, insult them. But, in the end, people can only be judged on account of what they produce, and how they act on a personal level is irrelevant. For example, if Anisimmov’s writings are aligned with the principles of NRx, then he’s part of the NRx movement. If he starts promoting populist fascism, he’s not (or is no longer) part of the NRx movement.
    …NRx is an intellectual movement, I hope — and not a demotist or quasi-religious one. No excommunications, no leaders, no nonsense.

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    Plot Reply:

    did Schopenhauer tour Europe, beating women in lecture halls?

    MA embarrasses the right in plain view. if his writings r correct that’s great, but they can b read without his attendance

    Nietzsche should’ve kept his mouth shut, or – in his view – published in French

    apolitical, private eccentricity is fine

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    Erebus Reply:

    Two things have happened:

    -Four people have declared themselves to be the “leaders of NRx” — and they appear to be entirely serious about it. Two of them are known members of the community; the other two are entirely unknown.
    -This group of people has started a “blacklist.”

    If NRx is an intellectual movement — something amorphous and non-rigid in its essential structure, based on the propagation of ideas and the generation of original productions of thought — then both are ridiculous.

    You can blacklist somebody from a salon or a gentleman’s club, you can purge somebody from a political party, and you can excommunicate somebody from a religious organization, but you can’t blacklist somebody from an intellectual or aesthetic movement. (Or a religion, for that matter.) It’s impossible. The only things that matter are thought and output — and if somebody’s output is consistently aligned with the mainstream of neoreactionary thought, then that person can rightfully call himself a neoreactionary… for better or worse.

    Poor behaviour in social settings is a trait common to many prominent thinkers and leaders. Childish behaviour and stupid comments should be challenged or ignored; when the unworthy claim to speak on behalf of NRx, they should be mocked; but NRx being what it is, one cannot say “you are no longer one of us.”

    It should go without saying that “leadership” is also quite unnecessary at this time. What’s needed is simply more and better output. One could start a media company. Better still, one could start the Antiversity. The authentic leadership of an intellectual movement can only follow output or action.
    …Out of curiosity, has Moldbug ever declared himself to be the leader of anything?

    admin Reply:

    @ Eerebus — that’s all entirely sensible, until someone declares themselves ‘Leader of NRx’. At that point, a bizarre micro-political game becomes unavoidable.

    Of course, “Moldbug [has never] declared himself to be the leader of anything” — which is why no one sane would ever seek to depose him. NRx, however, is post-Moldbug in the specific sense of being Moldbuggian. It isn’t Moldbug’s task to sort out the ensuing mess.

    One can indeed say “you are no longer one of us.” It has been said. The consequences of it having been said, of course, remain undecided. It would be neat to say there simply won’t be any consequences, but I don’t find that plausible. Really, do you?

    As for the Antiversity idea — it’s Moldbug’s least thought-through suggestion, and wholly question-begging. If it was possible to institute an Antiversity, there wouldn’t be a Cathedral to worry about at all.

    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    “The Antiversity is an independent producer of veracity – a truth service. It rests automatic confidence in no other institution. Its goal is to uncover any truth available to it: both matters of fact and perspective. It needs to always be right and never be wrong. Where multiple coherent perspectives of an issue exist, the Antiversity must provide all – each composed with the highest quality available.”

    Kind of sounds like something that you could start on right away, although it would be very difficult to actually finish unless you got money.

    Interested to hear more fleshed out version of admin’s reasoning for disregarding it.

    Erebus Reply:

    @admin —
    It has been said, but I’m not sure if there are going to be any consequences. What consequences do you foresee? Anissimov is going to keep writing, and it’s safe to say that his opinions haven’t changed substantially over the past few days, thus the themes and tone of his writing are not likely to change. He’s “blacklisted” — but by a bunch of people who have claimed leadership of a heretofore leaderless intellectual movement. (Unless one takes Anissimov’s — or Weev’s — claims seriously.) As Anissimov is unanimously disliked, this “blacklist” is meaningless; the most it can do is further exclude him socially. But just as a painting in the impressionist style can be described as “an impressionist painting,” so can writings which are aligned with NRx thought be described as “neoreactionary.” For better or worse, Anissimov is still “a neoreactionary writer.”

    The Antiversity is eventually going to be necessary, I think. What NRx needs is precisely that — a Standards Organization which codifies what “mainstream NRx thought” is, and which, much more importantly, serves as a repository for truth in history, politics, and even art. This Antiversity would be the fundamental point of reference for members of the community, and a beacon to others in search of the truth. It needs to be free of the day-to-day social and political commentary that fills the NRx blogs, and free of the puerility that plagues Twitter. I believe that the Hestia Society is uniquely positioned to fill this role. (Though I’m sure it would take lots of time and money to properly attempt this sort of project.)

    …In any case, if NRx is to ever have authentic leadership, it’ll come from the Antiversity or something like it. The only other option is that it arises via genuine thought leadership a la Moldbug. Right now, the Hestia Society is not an Antiversity, and The Future Primeval is not yet worthy of comparison to UR.

    With all that said, more rationalism and more cohesion in the NRx community sounds alright to me, and I wish the Hestia Society all the best, whatever role it decides to take.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >if NRx is to ever have authentic leadership, it’ll come from the Antiversity or something like it

    yes. Antiversity as defined in your post above is like an NRx Wikipedia, something that is relatively quite evidently neutral, but more than that: it does not exclude as many strains of viewing as Wikipedia does.

    we´re talking about the Black Library here.

    Moldbug and Land are obviously among chief librarians.

    ▬ « The Antiversity is an independent producer of veracity – a truth service. It rests automatic confidence in no other institution. Its goal is to uncover any truth available to it: both matters of fact and perspective. It needs to always be right and never be wrong. Where multiple coherent perspectives of an issue exist, the Antiversity must provide all – each composed with the highest quality available. »

    i´d venture to say that it´d be a Nietzschean encyclopedia, with philology on every article. Deleuzean and what not.

    Rasputin Reply:

    He refered to himself “as a bit of a cult leader myself” in Mr Jones, but I rather think he was taking the piss.

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    Rasputin Reply:

    @admin: “As for the Antiversity idea — it’s Moldbug’s least thought-through suggestion, and wholly question-begging. If it was possible to institute an Antiversity, there wouldn’t be a Cathedral to worry about at all.”

    Any chance you could extend this thought a bit further? In GI p9b [interestingly he says that the veracity side of the Antiversy will be dealt with in greater detail in the next part of the essay, but there is no part c] seemed to regard the creation of the Antiversy – the crediible, precise alternative, or “red button” – as the essential first step in the procedure, without which there was no plan. Indeed, he says that he can “imagine no other way to solve the problem”. If you regard it as auxiliary, what’s the workaround?

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    The not-saying kind of esotericism:

    “In GI p9b [interestingly he says that the veracity side of the Antiversy will be dealt with in greater detail in the next part of the essay, but there is no part c]”

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  • Scharlach Says:

    Continue writing, continue saying interesting things, and continue ignoring the idiot hangers-on. That’s all anyone can do.

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    Warg Franklin Reply:

    “The new Hestia is a framework for ignoring idiots…”

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  • Dark Psy-Ops Says:

    I think here’s a good time (if a tad late to the thread) to offer an appreciation of Xenosystems as a long established site of neoreactionary influence and a proven model of first-class private media. ‘Core NRx’ from my (marginal) perspective would include many Xenosystems commenters such as Brett Stevens, Erebus, Rasputin, Mechanomica, Aeroguy, Scientism, Hurlock, Chris B, Forkinhell, VXXC, E. Antony Gray, Lesser Bull to name a few. Many of these commenters are anonymous, some have their own blogs, a few are on twitter, and some I have only encountered within Land’s dark abode. Land is blockchain proprietor of Xenosystems and has access to the disciplinary mechanism of the ‘kill switch’, which is regulatory power enough for one man. Neoreaction is growing too large for anyone to count themselves a loyal follower, however ‘cold’, of all its pockets of local consolidation, and seeing as I can claim Xenosystem (and Urban Future) completionism, having not missed a post for a year and a half, and in that time having read the majority of comments, commented myself, and opened more links than I could follow, I might have a few coins of stock left enough to declare fealty, as a ‘most abject valet’, to Xenosystems and the political ideas it is in the process of forming. For when it comes to Neoreaction, if you don’t hear about it on Xenosystems, it’s probably not worth your time.

    Regarding Hestia society, it promises to produce valuable contributions, and I look forward to reading their work, but there’s a portal on my homepage straight to Outside In, and that’s not changing.

    Better a Landian ‘surveillance’ than an Anisimovian terror.

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    Warg Franklin Reply:

    Hear Hear!

    Land has done a fantastic job of developing and providing a space to develop these fascinating ideas we’re all playing with. I’ve been around here in various forms since 2013, and I also have to admit, Xenosystems (and linked material) is one of the very few blogs I have bothered to regularly check for the whole time.

    Here’s to more of that, and more collaboration between the sane and interesting parts of NRx as things get more serious.

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    Michael Anissimov Reply:

    XS is a decent site but this hagiographic [unworthy abuse] shows you need to cultivate your intellectual horizons a bit.

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  • Authority | Free Northerner Says:

    […] the other contenders for leadership, both NBS and Land have already accepted their leadership, Anissimov has wasted his legitimacy through doxxing and […]

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    It’s become clear over the past year (mid 2014 to mid 2015) that “Neoreaction” is suffering a tragedy of the commons and lack of formal structure.

    This will continue as long as it continues to pick its elites by demotic means (ad impressions, social media) instead of strength of idea.

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    admin Reply:

    I only agree with part of that. Leadership skills, under the conditions relevant here, are not the same as intellectual incandescence. NRx management should be more conservative (in the colloquial rather than ideological sense), more tolerant, more modest, and more flexible than its theorists need to be. The crucial requirements are psychological balance, patience, and a lack of debilitating egotism. Moldbug and Jim are the most crucial NRx thinkers, but their absence from the brand management council is not any kind of tragedy.

    ADDED: In clarification, it’s not that I’m denying zones of extreme intellectual incandescence in the Inner Council, but those are the points that are probably most problematic viz the criterion of sound managerial judgment.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    I’m not sure the distinction is so important. Once the demotism achieves entry, subtle changes in the meanings of details will occur and conspire upward. But as the sages say, time shall tell.

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  • admin Says:

    In a sane world it would not have come to this. It came to this.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Admin/Dr. Land is right as are the others, this needed to be done.

    Now with some experience in leadership…I’d stop on any negative stick applying at this point.

    Concentrate on what is good in men and you’ll see them produce it, and they’ll suppress what is flawed in them to the best of their ability and with minimal correction.

    As for the mad we can only pity, pray and yes shun them.

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  • About the NRx Re-Organization - Henry Dampier Says:

    […] recent reorganization under Hestia Society was less sudden than it seems. The sudden bit which I didn’t know anything about until it […]

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  • About the NRx Re-Organization | Neoreactive Says:

    […] recent reorganization under Hestia Society was less sudden than it seems. The sudden bit which I didn’t know anything about until it […]

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  • Warg Franklin Says:

    Re: Antiversity skepticism.

    Moldbug may or may not have thought it out in much detail. Either way, building a more serious institution to execute our analytical program seems like a good idea. I’m curious what admin thinks of the idea in general, and what he thought was missing from Moldbug’s account.

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    Frog Do Reply:

    Maybe more as a way for structuring an institution, with classes and syllabi and most importantly correct answers. The most recent post is very helpful, in that sense.

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    Warg Franklin Reply:

    Whose most recent post?

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    Frog Do Reply:

    On Future Primeval, the list based argument for tradition. Breaking down everything into talking points and elaborating is very helpful, like Summa Theologica.

    Posted on May 24th, 2015 at 9:27 pm Reply | Quote
  • Patri Friedman Says:

    I enjoy Mencius’ and Nick Land’s writing a lot, as well as many of those at More Right. But I just don’t get Jim’s place in the ‘sphere. When I make occasional forays into his writing, it seems puerile and oversimplified; and when he writes about something I know a lot about (ie the working environment at Google), sure enough it turns out he’s just making shit up that fits his viewpoint, has no idea what he’s talking about, and won’t listen to those who do. The idea of classifying Jim in the same category as Moldbug or Radish Mag makes no sense to me.

    Anyway, best of luck to Hestia. Deliberate political change is as immensely important as it is insanely difficult. Don’t give up, don’t burn out, the number of people who see that Western society cannot continue as it is, and the amount of resources available should a true solution surface, are growing steadily. The reddit-reading college students of yesterday are the startup founders of today and the billionaires of tomorrow, and they want to live under civilization, not barbarism.

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    Chris B Reply:

    @Patri Friedman Jim is a superb thinker who is fearless in exploring the ramifications of social and political trends. His analysis of British colonisation and imperialism being two distinct waves in particular is proving to be invaluable to me. I’m even vaguely sensing an echo in Greek colonisation and subsequent Hellenic imperialism.

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    Warg Franklin Reply:

    What Chris said.

    When I first encountered Jim, I had the same reaction as you. He is quite obviously insane, evil, and distorts everything to fit his weird ass narrative. And yet, when I look closer, he knows surprising things I don’t which are easily derived from his crazy narrative, but hard to explain otherwise. His narrative turns out to be an extremely productive way of looking at things, in my experience.

    The insights he does produce cannot be explained by modelling him as insane as he appears. There is a powerful rationalist in there somewhere, under a thin but transparent layer of entertainingly hyperbolic and direct writing. It is therefore possible to learn how to read him and learn things.

    As for his tendency to not change his mind, when you look closer, he is only ever stubborn for the duration of the thread, after which he seems to reconsider and settle on an improved model for next time.

    We’re glad to have your good wishes. We’re balls deep in this thing whether we like it or not now so there’s probably no giving up. We do look forward to your advice and commentary in the future as we advance.

    Here’s to a civilized future.

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    Patri Friedman Reply:

    “As for his tendency to not change his mind, when you look closer, he is only ever stubborn for the duration of the thread, after which he seems to reconsider and settle on an improved model for next time.”

    Heh. I know what that’s like.

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  • mico Says:

    I’m not sure how great an idea it is to announce your movement to the world with the last word being a shitlist accusing some of your supporters of, being “dangerously unstable”, “death threats, excessive antisocial behavior” and being an “obsessive troll with too many sock puppets”.

    It comes across much more like a social media dramawagon than a serious attempt to take over the world or whatever.

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  • This Week in Reaction (2015/05/24) | The Reactivity Place Says:

    […] Land’s endorsement (and naming) of The Putsch is here. Oh if we’d only had a beer hall. Henry Dampier’s thoughts are here. Henry’s new […]

    Posted on May 25th, 2015 at 11:31 pm Reply | Quote
  • Shenpen Says:

    I will take NRx as a community seriously when it manages to provide an editor for Moldbug. Everybody agrees he needs one, but editing is far more low-prestige than writing your own blog. People willing to invest into lower-prestige jobs would be a sign of it all growing up and becoming serious.

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    admin Reply:

    “Everyone”? — The idea strikes me as more than slightly blasphemous.

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    Sam Reply:

    Taking majority’s opinion into consideration does not a demotist rule make.

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    Marxist toady Reply:

    I’m fairly certain that you’re missing admin’s objection, here — the problem isn’t with the “everybody,” so much as with the “agrees he needs one.”

    I would not want to see a sentence of Moldbug pruned.

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    admin Reply:

    Indeed, yes.

    Posted on May 27th, 2015 at 11:54 am Reply | Quote
  • Rambling About NRx | The Z Blog Says:

    […] now there is a power struggle within that club. Free Northerner reports on it here and Nick Land comments on it here. I have no idea what any of it means, but there it […]

    Posted on May 28th, 2015 at 3:17 am Reply | Quote

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