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		<title>By: Different T</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-133/#comment-145556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Different T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dams are built on flowing waters, not under-oxygenated ponds gradually becoming cesspools.

Do not flatter yourself.

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What does the inclusion of this &quot;quote&quot; signify.  If it were dismissed as ridiculous, would a follow up comment read &quot;Globa is a vastly more unattractive outcome than a Gigadeath War IMHO (de Garis, of course, thinks we’re going to get both.)&quot;  Gaming out the possibilities seems to indicate it is not &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; a quote.

If the substance of such a quote  is viewed as a possibility &quot;worth exploring&quot; (or to use the corrupt language of this place, an inevitability), surely you cede that helping (or hoping) the &quot;Cathedral&quot; to &lt;i&gt;keep it together&lt;/i&gt; for a while longer is a sound strategy (even if not of your taste).  After all, what is race when faced with a &lt;b&gt;quintillion&lt;/b&gt; times the computational power of a brain?  What do the current quibbles about government have to do with such a future?  Is the ridiculousness of this babbling in the face of  such an event why you consider yourself a &quot;pitiably stupid ape?&quot;

&quot;Just a while longer&quot; is likely very much what you could imagine some tech exec telling himself in a moment of doubt, just before his dominatrix shits on his face.  &quot;Just a while longer, and it&#039;ll all be anew.&quot;

But, hey, that exec paid the dominatrix good money and received quite a service.  TechComm FTMFW!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dams are built on flowing waters, not under-oxygenated ponds gradually becoming cesspools.</p>
<p>Do not flatter yourself.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>What does the inclusion of this &#8220;quote&#8221; signify.  If it were dismissed as ridiculous, would a follow up comment read &#8220;Globa is a vastly more unattractive outcome than a Gigadeath War IMHO (de Garis, of course, thinks we’re going to get both.)&#8221;  Gaming out the possibilities seems to indicate it is not <i>only</i> a quote.</p>
<p>If the substance of such a quote  is viewed as a possibility &#8220;worth exploring&#8221; (or to use the corrupt language of this place, an inevitability), surely you cede that helping (or hoping) the &#8220;Cathedral&#8221; to <i>keep it together</i> for a while longer is a sound strategy (even if not of your taste).  After all, what is race when faced with a <b>quintillion</b> times the computational power of a brain?  What do the current quibbles about government have to do with such a future?  Is the ridiculousness of this babbling in the face of  such an event why you consider yourself a &#8220;pitiably stupid ape?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Just a while longer&#8221; is likely very much what you could imagine some tech exec telling himself in a moment of doubt, just before his dominatrix shits on his face.  &#8220;Just a while longer, and it&#8217;ll all be anew.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, hey, that exec paid the dominatrix good money and received quite a service.  TechComm FTMFW!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-133/#comment-144101</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2014 02:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[De Garis appears to have gone full retard. You never go full retard....

I haven&#039;t been following him and only read about him and his work in the past in mainstream outlets where he came across as pretty sober minded, so it&#039;s kind of funny to see him go full retard. 

Just shows you what internet addiction and watching too many Youtube videos can do. He mentions that Youtube videos are his primary way of learning about things....

&quot;MEJews&quot; stands for &quot;massively evil Jews&quot;. He seems to use the term as well as talk about the space lizards thing with complete earnestness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>De Garis appears to have gone full retard. You never go full retard&#8230;.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been following him and only read about him and his work in the past in mainstream outlets where he came across as pretty sober minded, so it&#8217;s kind of funny to see him go full retard. </p>
<p>Just shows you what internet addiction and watching too many Youtube videos can do. He mentions that Youtube videos are his primary way of learning about things&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;MEJews&#8221; stands for &#8220;massively evil Jews&#8221;. He seems to use the term as well as talk about the space lizards thing with complete earnestness.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Antony Gray (@RiverC)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2014 01:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No signs of swastika revaunchism? I guess that&#039;s why it&#039;s only an 8/10]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No signs of swastika revaunchism? I guess that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s only an 8/10</p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, de Garis appears to have been over-promising and under-delivering throughout his entire career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, de Garis appears to have been over-promising and under-delivering throughout his entire career.</p>
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		<title>By: Erebus</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-133/#comment-143769</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve actually been thinking about this a lot over the past day.  I believe that there&#039;s no practical way for a top-down approach to work.  A bottom-up approach -- starting with the manipulation of subatomic protons and electrons in some sort of electromagnetic field that allows for their manipulation -- may not be entirely inconceivable, but the technology we&#039;d need isn&#039;t in our near-future, and I don&#039;t know what quantum effects and other issues one might run into.  Not my area of expertise, I&#039;m afraid.  This sort of thing isn&#039;t nanotech or even picotech.  It&#039;s smaller than that.

Back to reality:
I&#039;ve been spending a lot of time working, professionally, with nacre.  Nacre, or mother-of-pearl, is a nanostructured material with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://butane.chem.uiuc.edu/pshapley/GenChem1/L25/calciteblocks.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;staggered bricks-and-mortar arrangement.&lt;/a&gt;  The &#039;bricks&#039; are crystallites of calcium carbonate as aragonite, approximately 300nm thick, 10-15µm in diameter, and with a grain size of around 30nm.  The mortar is a mixture of elastic proteins mostly comprising conchiolin and peptides with names like n16N.  What&#039;s interesting about this material is that aragonite in itself is very brittle, but nacre is &lt;i&gt;extremely&lt;/i&gt; tough, despite the fact that it&#039;s 95% aragonite by weight.  Nacre&#039;s structure, due to bridging, twisting, and crack-propagation defeat effects, amplifies its stiffness, strength, and toughness to degrees unmatched by any synthetic structured material.  Nothing even comes close.

Synthetic nacre -- with solid &quot;nano-bricks&quot; of a material far harder and more resilient than aragonite, and a &quot;mortar&quot; far tougher and more elastic than those proteins (for instance: Silicon carbide ceramic plates in a nanotube-toughened biopolymer -- e.g. chitosan -- matrix) -- would make for armors, surgical implants, and structural materials of downright astounding resiliency.  

...Unfortunately it&#039;s extremely difficult to make such things.  Almost all attempts at synthetic nacre with thin films and laminates have failed, and the crude and limited successes mentioned in the scientific literature are not worth mentioning here.

Now, with all that said, I can get to the point:  Making thick sheets of synthetic super-tough nacre &lt;i&gt;has got to be about a quintillion times less complicated than making an array of single-atom switches.&lt;/i&gt;  We don&#039;t yet have the former; we&#039;re nowhere near the latter.  And let&#039;s not forget that nacre, although truly nanostructured, is a dumb and extremely coarse thing when compared to computronium...

I really like this blog&#039;s technical and scientific &quot;digressions&quot; (if that&#039;s how some perceive them!) and I appreciate de Garis and his visionary works, for, at the very least, they inspire reverie.  However, in this particular case I think that he&#039;s glossed-over the hard part -- how that grain of sand could possibly be so &quot;nanoteched&quot; -- and rushed straight to the easy part -- what the social and political implications of such &quot;nanoteching&quot; would be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually been thinking about this a lot over the past day.  I believe that there&#8217;s no practical way for a top-down approach to work.  A bottom-up approach &#8212; starting with the manipulation of subatomic protons and electrons in some sort of electromagnetic field that allows for their manipulation &#8212; may not be entirely inconceivable, but the technology we&#8217;d need isn&#8217;t in our near-future, and I don&#8217;t know what quantum effects and other issues one might run into.  Not my area of expertise, I&#8217;m afraid.  This sort of thing isn&#8217;t nanotech or even picotech.  It&#8217;s smaller than that.</p>
<p>Back to reality:<br />
I&#8217;ve been spending a lot of time working, professionally, with nacre.  Nacre, or mother-of-pearl, is a nanostructured material with a <a href="http://butane.chem.uiuc.edu/pshapley/GenChem1/L25/calciteblocks.gif" rel="nofollow">staggered bricks-and-mortar arrangement.</a>  The &#8216;bricks&#8217; are crystallites of calcium carbonate as aragonite, approximately 300nm thick, 10-15µm in diameter, and with a grain size of around 30nm.  The mortar is a mixture of elastic proteins mostly comprising conchiolin and peptides with names like n16N.  What&#8217;s interesting about this material is that aragonite in itself is very brittle, but nacre is <i>extremely</i> tough, despite the fact that it&#8217;s 95% aragonite by weight.  Nacre&#8217;s structure, due to bridging, twisting, and crack-propagation defeat effects, amplifies its stiffness, strength, and toughness to degrees unmatched by any synthetic structured material.  Nothing even comes close.</p>
<p>Synthetic nacre &#8212; with solid &#8220;nano-bricks&#8221; of a material far harder and more resilient than aragonite, and a &#8220;mortar&#8221; far tougher and more elastic than those proteins (for instance: Silicon carbide ceramic plates in a nanotube-toughened biopolymer &#8212; e.g. chitosan &#8212; matrix) &#8212; would make for armors, surgical implants, and structural materials of downright astounding resiliency.  </p>
<p>&#8230;Unfortunately it&#8217;s extremely difficult to make such things.  Almost all attempts at synthetic nacre with thin films and laminates have failed, and the crude and limited successes mentioned in the scientific literature are not worth mentioning here.</p>
<p>Now, with all that said, I can get to the point:  Making thick sheets of synthetic super-tough nacre <i>has got to be about a quintillion times less complicated than making an array of single-atom switches.</i>  We don&#8217;t yet have the former; we&#8217;re nowhere near the latter.  And let&#8217;s not forget that nacre, although truly nanostructured, is a dumb and extremely coarse thing when compared to computronium&#8230;</p>
<p>I really like this blog&#8217;s technical and scientific &#8220;digressions&#8221; (if that&#8217;s how some perceive them!) and I appreciate de Garis and his visionary works, for, at the very least, they inspire reverie.  However, in this particular case I think that he&#8217;s glossed-over the hard part &#8212; how that grain of sand could possibly be so &#8220;nanoteched&#8221; &#8212; and rushed straight to the easy part &#8212; what the social and political implications of such &#8220;nanoteching&#8221; would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambacti</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-133/#comment-143731</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Listened to the whole thing, the video is depressing as hell. De Garis is the Bobby Fischer of AI.

Highlights include:

Lives in China with his Chinese wife. Seems like he&#039;s out of work and she supports him.

He hates Chinese people and refuses to learn Chinese.

Stays locked indoors and spends nights on internet.

Derisively calls average people &quot;peakers&quot; as in peak of the the bell curve, he has nothing to do with them.

Call wise people like himself &quot;sages&quot;, he is the only sage in his family.

He gets most of his political information from youtube videos.

Jews did holocaust and 9/11

He believe the Rothschilds want to create an undemorcratic world government headquartered in Jerusalem, as opposed to his plan to create a democratic world government... not headquarted in Jerusalem.

Calls Jews &quot;meeJews&quot;, not sure what that is about.

&lt;a&gt;David Icke&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;&quot;Jews are space reptiles theory&quot; bandied about unsarcastically.

Wishes he were a Jew.

TheRavagesofAutism.mpeg - 8/10 would watch again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listened to the whole thing, the video is depressing as hell. De Garis is the Bobby Fischer of AI.</p>
<p>Highlights include:</p>
<p>Lives in China with his Chinese wife. Seems like he&#8217;s out of work and she supports him.</p>
<p>He hates Chinese people and refuses to learn Chinese.</p>
<p>Stays locked indoors and spends nights on internet.</p>
<p>Derisively calls average people &#8220;peakers&#8221; as in peak of the the bell curve, he has nothing to do with them.</p>
<p>Call wise people like himself &#8220;sages&#8221;, he is the only sage in his family.</p>
<p>He gets most of his political information from youtube videos.</p>
<p>Jews did holocaust and 9/11</p>
<p>He believe the Rothschilds want to create an undemorcratic world government headquartered in Jerusalem, as opposed to his plan to create a democratic world government&#8230; not headquarted in Jerusalem.</p>
<p>Calls Jews &#8220;meeJews&#8221;, not sure what that is about.</p>
<p><a>David Icke&#8217;s</a>&#8220;Jews are space reptiles theory&#8221; bandied about unsarcastically.</p>
<p>Wishes he were a Jew.</p>
<p>TheRavagesofAutism.mpeg &#8211; 8/10 would watch again.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-133/#comment-143695</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Different Y -- It&#039;s a quote, goddamit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Different Y &#8212; It&#8217;s a quote, goddamit.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Globa is a vastly more unattractive outcome than a Gigadeath War IMHO (de Garis, of course, thinks we&#039;re going to get both.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Globa is a vastly more unattractive outcome than a Gigadeath War IMHO (de Garis, of course, thinks we&#8217;re going to get both.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Hannon</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-133/#comment-143640</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s very &quot;open-minded,&quot; isn&#039;t he? A very clever silly. Hear him at 23 min talking about China for example (his mouth and voice not syncing perhaps suggesting that it&#039;s not his mouth he&#039;s talking out of). -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw5m-Zl8r4Y]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s very &#8220;open-minded,&#8221; isn&#8217;t he? A very clever silly. Hear him at 23 min talking about China for example (his mouth and voice not syncing perhaps suggesting that it&#8217;s not his mouth he&#8217;s talking out of). &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: vxxc2014</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t despair, human distractions always come along in the form of great events.

And in them is both hope and despair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t despair, human distractions always come along in the form of great events.</p>
<p>And in them is both hope and despair.</p>
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