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		<title>By: Rasputin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2015 23:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVm7hBfDVGE" rel="nofollow">http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVm7hBfDVGE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Contemplationist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-141/#comment-167809</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are now involved in &#039;harvesting souls&#039; in the 3rd world, specifically India and China.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are now involved in &#8216;harvesting souls&#8217; in the 3rd world, specifically India and China.</p>
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		<title>By: Contemplationist</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-141/#comment-167808</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had this idea of Singapore exporting and training sensible civil servants with some sort of premier, prestigious institution. India could make use of this, as could many other countries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had this idea of Singapore exporting and training sensible civil servants with some sort of premier, prestigious institution. India could make use of this, as could many other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well perhaps it makes sense to make a distinction between frothing-at-the-mouth fundamentalists and what we might call serious christians with a largely literal interpretation of the bible. My sense, having just driven across the country and back, eating at 10 Cracker Barrel restaurants, listening to a lot of radio and looking at a lot of people, is that serious Christianity is re-emerging as the organizing principle of rural America among all age groups, particularly the young. The issue is that there&#039;s simply nothing else out there. The aftermath of the sex drugs and rock and roll approach is on display at every turn and it ain&#039;t pretty. Anyone can see that, but it&#039;s especially evident in the sticks.

Leonard Peikofff&#039;s recent book, The DIM Hypothesis, covers this. He argued that Christianity would re-emerge by default because nothing else offers a human telos. (He was an Ayn Rand acolyte.) At the time I read it I just thought, &quot;Hmm ... that&#039;s an odd conclusion for a Randian.&quot; But now I see that he was spot on.

There&#039;s also a tribal affinity thing going on, like with the Mormons. It costs you something to be a Christian, but to not be one out in the middle of Texas and Tennessee and Alabama  is worse ... more isolating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well perhaps it makes sense to make a distinction between frothing-at-the-mouth fundamentalists and what we might call serious christians with a largely literal interpretation of the bible. My sense, having just driven across the country and back, eating at 10 Cracker Barrel restaurants, listening to a lot of radio and looking at a lot of people, is that serious Christianity is re-emerging as the organizing principle of rural America among all age groups, particularly the young. The issue is that there&#8217;s simply nothing else out there. The aftermath of the sex drugs and rock and roll approach is on display at every turn and it ain&#8217;t pretty. Anyone can see that, but it&#8217;s especially evident in the sticks.</p>
<p>Leonard Peikofff&#8217;s recent book, The DIM Hypothesis, covers this. He argued that Christianity would re-emerge by default because nothing else offers a human telos. (He was an Ayn Rand acolyte.) At the time I read it I just thought, &#8220;Hmm &#8230; that&#8217;s an odd conclusion for a Randian.&#8221; But now I see that he was spot on.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a tribal affinity thing going on, like with the Mormons. It costs you something to be a Christian, but to not be one out in the middle of Texas and Tennessee and Alabama  is worse &#8230; more isolating.</p>
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		<title>By: snorlax</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2015 02:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The evangelicals already did a big push for just that, about 20 years ago.  Fell flat.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_marriage

And they aren&#039;t really &quot;booming&quot; any more, prog hysteria after the &#039;04 election (the &quot;Jesusland&quot; map, the film &quot;Jesus Camp&quot;) notwithstanding.  The evangelicals peaked in the late 80s and have pretty much been in continuous decline ever since Jim Bakker got busted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evangelicals already did a big push for just that, about 20 years ago.  Fell flat.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_marriage" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_marriage</a></p>
<p>And they aren&#8217;t really &#8220;booming&#8221; any more, prog hysteria after the &#8217;04 election (the &#8220;Jesusland&#8221; map, the film &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221;) notwithstanding.  The evangelicals peaked in the late 80s and have pretty much been in continuous decline ever since Jim Bakker got busted.</p>
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		<title>By: blogospheroid</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2015 13:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suicide by bad memes - example - Shakers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suicide by bad memes &#8211; example &#8211; Shakers</p>
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		<title>By: soapjackal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ah good. Another intellectually honesty one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah good. Another intellectually honesty one.</p>
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		<title>By: soapjackal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally I was defending Jim there. I think that many sane and necessary practices are never going to be implemented in a democratic system. Whats important isnt that Jims ideas are practical to win at democracy but that the consequences that occur if said ideas arent implemented are important to note.

What will women vote for once they get suffrage?

and

What happens to Economics of the Home on a national scale when 2 partner incomes are requirements to raise kids?

These are both questions which have consequences. Bad ones.

Now as far as the your question goes:

&gt;Once we get unstuck from the mud and become rigorous in the analysis again..and yes it’s all quite stuck…no doubt about it…where are we going?

I do not think the analysis was ever rigorous. Many interesting tomes and ideas are discussed but NRx hasnt cleared the hump of blogosphere comments and twitter. I see on google hangout much more decent and interesting discourse which not only kindles local community action but truly opening new avenues of thought that have been hidden away in dusty libraries for years. Actually spending some times to work on how to think and setting higher standards for what we think (judged against effective metrics, which is part of the problem figuring out.) is a necessary step. Moldbug isnt the high water mark (Hopefully!)

Its why I ask Kgaard to be specific and detail what he thinks is wrong and figure out what the context is for his statements. Much of his recommendations I agree with to a certain extent and I think its necessary to have disagreements as long as work is done as a result.

Its not stuck as much as the prior momentum was just insight porn. Now that the actual thinking and research have to happen the ball can get rolling. Of course at the same time real life has to go on and actually inspiring a community is necessary. Fighting the Morally bankrupt demons that infect our families minds, taking back control of our money,  training ourselves to defend life, finding ways of gathering young men in effective institutions. Its all simultaneous. Macro/Micro cant be unbalanced. 

Now where are we going? Depends on your personal goals. I want to see if NRx has what it takes to actually think hard and work hard. I&#039;m working hard to put the money where my mouth is both in thought and action. 2015. There are grandiose dreams but I like to keep things simple for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I was defending Jim there. I think that many sane and necessary practices are never going to be implemented in a democratic system. Whats important isnt that Jims ideas are practical to win at democracy but that the consequences that occur if said ideas arent implemented are important to note.</p>
<p>What will women vote for once they get suffrage?</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>What happens to Economics of the Home on a national scale when 2 partner incomes are requirements to raise kids?</p>
<p>These are both questions which have consequences. Bad ones.</p>
<p>Now as far as the your question goes:</p>
<p>&gt;Once we get unstuck from the mud and become rigorous in the analysis again..and yes it’s all quite stuck…no doubt about it…where are we going?</p>
<p>I do not think the analysis was ever rigorous. Many interesting tomes and ideas are discussed but NRx hasnt cleared the hump of blogosphere comments and twitter. I see on google hangout much more decent and interesting discourse which not only kindles local community action but truly opening new avenues of thought that have been hidden away in dusty libraries for years. Actually spending some times to work on how to think and setting higher standards for what we think (judged against effective metrics, which is part of the problem figuring out.) is a necessary step. Moldbug isnt the high water mark (Hopefully!)</p>
<p>Its why I ask Kgaard to be specific and detail what he thinks is wrong and figure out what the context is for his statements. Much of his recommendations I agree with to a certain extent and I think its necessary to have disagreements as long as work is done as a result.</p>
<p>Its not stuck as much as the prior momentum was just insight porn. Now that the actual thinking and research have to happen the ball can get rolling. Of course at the same time real life has to go on and actually inspiring a community is necessary. Fighting the Morally bankrupt demons that infect our families minds, taking back control of our money,  training ourselves to defend life, finding ways of gathering young men in effective institutions. Its all simultaneous. Macro/Micro cant be unbalanced. </p>
<p>Now where are we going? Depends on your personal goals. I want to see if NRx has what it takes to actually think hard and work hard. I&#8217;m working hard to put the money where my mouth is both in thought and action. 2015. There are grandiose dreams but I like to keep things simple for now.</p>
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		<title>By: soapjackal</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-141/#comment-167202</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a blog is one way. I just mean gathering some thoughts and pointing to areas you think are weak. Sure more well fleshed out formal arguments helps but just setting the stage for some debate and throwing some primary sources to the wind only can help expand the box.

I&#039;ll throw a few books your way for an ebook but I&#039;m not a professional writer so I have no idea what the scene is for that kind of work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a blog is one way. I just mean gathering some thoughts and pointing to areas you think are weak. Sure more well fleshed out formal arguments helps but just setting the stage for some debate and throwing some primary sources to the wind only can help expand the box.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll throw a few books your way for an ebook but I&#8217;m not a professional writer so I have no idea what the scene is for that kind of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kgaard</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-141/#comment-167129</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2015 04:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lifetime monogamy is imposed by men, period. It&#039;s a male invention. Women don&#039;t want it. And men only want it to the extent they get exclusive access to one hot white chick from the years 18-35. Beyond that the dudes don&#039;t want it either. Without extreme external economic incentives it&#039;s a non-starter, and those incentives are gone. Plus, the pill has radically changed the implications of non-marital sex. So, no, patriarchal ownership of daughters is not coming back for more than, say, 20% of the western population at an absolute maximum. (The SJs, in Myers Briggs terms.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifetime monogamy is imposed by men, period. It&#8217;s a male invention. Women don&#8217;t want it. And men only want it to the extent they get exclusive access to one hot white chick from the years 18-35. Beyond that the dudes don&#8217;t want it either. Without extreme external economic incentives it&#8217;s a non-starter, and those incentives are gone. Plus, the pill has radically changed the implications of non-marital sex. So, no, patriarchal ownership of daughters is not coming back for more than, say, 20% of the western population at an absolute maximum. (The SJs, in Myers Briggs terms.)</p>
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