Quote note (#170)

Some sheer Gnon gospel from Captain Capitalism:

Understand that previous to democracy and even modern day civilizations, there were automatic punishments built into the world that people would pay should they make stupid decisions.

Did you poke a saber tooth tiger with a stick?
Did you spook a herd of mammoth into stampeding the village?
Did you eat berries that you saw no other animal eat?

If you did any one of these stupid things, you would die and your stupid genes along with it.

However, even within civilization stupid decisions were punished.

Did you breed without being married, thereby forcing the tribe or village to support your mistake?
Did you parasite off of society insisting on being a talentless bard instead of an industrious farmer?
Did you commit crimes, stealing from people precious food and items that were in short supply?

Well at best you’d be ostracized, and at worst, you’d be killed. Again, taking your inferior genes and decision making ability out of the gene pool.

The point is that yes, you had the personal freedom to do many things. But neither society nor nature was going to protect you from the costs and consequences of making bad decisions. In other words, yes you had maximum, 100% freedom, but you also had maximum, 100% responsibility.

Enter democracy. …

(Liberty without Social Darwinism is an abnomination in the eyes of Gnon.)

June 20, 2015admin 23 Comments »


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  • Quote note (#170) | Reaction Times Says:

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    Posted on June 20th, 2015 at 11:53 am Reply | Quote
  • Michael Says:

    I think gene editing will have to be a prerequisite to a birth license. I hate the idea but there are no natural culls i imagine people will lie and brag about how much they had to edit like SAT scores today.perhaps it can simply be popularized so people do it without coercion


    Posted on June 20th, 2015 at 1:25 pm Reply | Quote
  • freihals Says:

    However hard modernism tries it cannot prevent democracy’s great stumble. The failed social experiment is leading to a massive biological bubble-order will be re-introduced. The system has failed so we’re only waiting to see which direction the stumble pushes us.


    SVErshov Reply:

    most popular direction at the moment is by boat to Europe, tickets quite costly and journey is dangerous, buy still so popular among African tourists. I guess, not so much of a choice.


    Posted on June 20th, 2015 at 1:43 pm Reply | Quote
  • OLF Says:

    You can [try to] run, but you can’t hide. Gnon will [eventually] have his due. West is [already] living on a borrowed time…


    Posted on June 20th, 2015 at 2:17 pm Reply | Quote
  • peter connor Says:

    As I commented on other occasions:
    Rev. Malthus has not left the scene, he is merely taking a smoking break. When he reenters the room, the problem of vast numbers of useless stupids will be solved in fairly short order…..


    mountaingazer Reply:

    I think anyone thinking the situation (and I’m focusing on the United States) will be “solved” in the near future is being wildly optimistic. There are things that could scramble the existing variables and add new ones to the mix. Yellowstone might blow; the U.S. might end up in war with Russia and/or China. Jade Helm …. OK, I can’t even write that with a straight face since Jade Helm has to be an exercise in psy-op play: conduct odd military drills at home, stir folks up with fear-porn, and see what the reaction is for later data-crunching and analysis.

    But things can just go on as they are for quite some time. If the Cathedral can continue to ride the Tiger — and its chief lieutenants are so arrogant that they don’t even think they’re riding the Tiger — staving off any real conflict with nuclear-armed powers and keeping the economic side show afloat — the situation could stretch for another 50 or 60 years without any earth-shattering reckoning. How long can it go if people accept their planned existence of techno-hovels, with their video games, porn (including robo-porn), few or no kids, no cars (which will be severely restricted with driverless cars), universal basic income, and a daily soap opera of gender/identity reconstruction? With all that is real and substantial kept at bay, made illegal in many cases, the masses may will swirl and swirl in media-created storms, self-refrential circles of identity masturbation, not bothering anyone. Outside the hovels could well be no-go zones with occasional bouts of anarchy which will keep the SJW hovel dwellers nicely entertained and the rest digging deeper into virtual worlds where their egos can run wild.

    As long as the Cathedral can keep the magical money system in the air (eventually, it will drop and when it does … wham), this system isn’t going away anytime soon.


    Lesser Bull Reply:

    If you take Spengler seriously, we probably have a good few hundred years left to go, though we are getting closer to the point where we have to have an Emperor and a few nuclear civil wars.


    Posted on June 20th, 2015 at 3:59 pm Reply | Quote
  • William Newman Says:

    Is a tendency specific to democracy, or a general bloat-of-governing-coalition tendency which has been able to grow to the sky with the growth of technological economic output multipliers outrunning the growth of population?

    To me, the general weirdness attributed to democracy above do not seem to be specific enough to distinguish reliably distinguish USA (or other wealthy democracies, for that matter) from Saudi Arabia. Admittedly, SA doesn’t have the same specific details of weirdness (like welfare payments specifically to bogus families based on single mothers, as opposed to the kind of featherbedding for bogus workers that they seem to favor) but SA, in its own way, is doing historically impressive amounts of wealth transfer from the central government to slackers. And if we switched the specifics around (so that some Muslim democracy had the SA-today pattern of transfers and privileges, and some post-Christian progressive monarchy, perhaps the somehow-victorious Kaiser or somehow-undeposed Tsar, had the USA-today pattern of transfers and privileges) I think it would still be about as stable and natural as today’s pattern of specifics where the welfare mothers are on the democracy side and the featherbedders are on the autocracy side. Also, democratic Japan seems to have done quite a bit of going astray in its own way, and while I don’t fully understand it, it looks to me much more like bloated featherbedding than the pattern that the OP attributes to democracy (subsidizing single mothers, subsidizing underwater basketweaving multimedia deconstructionism, and tolerating opportunistic street crime or strategic astroturf mob street crime).


    Erebus Reply:

    History shows that it is, if not specific to, at least characteristic of democracy. In fact, the more democratic, the quicker and more catastrophic the collapse. Ancient Athens was a very inclusive democracy — a direct democracy the likes of which does not exist today — and it destroyed itself within a couple of generations. The failure mode was something we would recognize today: Their democracy devlolved into a “collective tyranny” which placated the low and poor at the expense of the rich and upright… and the Athenian demos had a knack for making astoundingly stupid decisions.

    The democratic experiments conducted by medieval and Renaissance Italian city-states and guilds also tended to collapse into oligarchy and other more stable forms. They didn’t last very long, even though they were very narrow democracies in scope.

    I also think that you underestimate the amount of influence the USA has on its allies/servitors.
    -Japan is the USA’s most lowly and slavish vassal-state. If USG tells Japan to jump, Japan will smile, bow, and ask “How high?” (It is also worth mentioning that the USG’s direct involvement — meddling, really — in post-war Japanese politics showed nothing but contempt for Japan’s people and their fledgling democracy. One could fairly argue that the USG is contemptuous of democracy in general.)
    -Saudi Arabia’s continued existence depends on the goodwill of the US government, and on keeping its poor underclass placated. Surely you can see why they behave as they do. Saudi Arabia is a young state, an artificial state, and a very, very vulnerable state.

    …The USA controls this era’s zeitgeist, and this wretched zeitgeist has gone global.

    With all that said, I’m not claiming that the US Government is a democratic one. It plainly isn’t; it’s as democratic as modern China is communist. A democracy may be preferable to the mixed oligarchy-kakistocracy the USA is stuck with right now… if only for those “pass the popcorn” moments.


    SVErshov Reply:

    in decrypting future, history is a public key, but private key with Gnom.


    Lesser Bull Reply:


    Blogospheroid Reply:

    Good analysis.

    Interestingly, when asked to list anti-fragile societies, Nassim Taleb actually listed Saudi Arabia as one. Maybe in the sense of society, not state. I don’t know.


    Posted on June 20th, 2015 at 4:47 pm Reply | Quote
  • Irving Says:

    There is no theoretical reason why things can’t go on the way they are currently going. It is true that in pre-modern societies, the cost for stupidity and incompetence was invariably death. But that was then, and this is now. Today, there is material abundance the likes of which has never been seen in history. There is more than enough to go around, enough that basically everyone can have what they need, and more, to live on. The end game here is obviously going to be some universal guaranteed income. Soon enough, we will have a world in which 98 percent of the people eat, sleep, have meaningless sex and watch reality TV all day, while 2 percent of the people, who have 150+ IQs, will spend their days pointlessly coding and innovating their lives away, trying to generate “economic growth”. If we were to going to reorganize society on the basis of social Darwinistic ideas, it would not be out of necessity but out of choice. And clearly no one is going to make that choice.


    admin Reply:

    On that scenario — highly probable, I agree — the machines end up exterminating us, and if there was a hint of nobility remaining in our wretched species, we would thank them for it.


    Posted on June 20th, 2015 at 8:11 pm Reply | Quote
  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Liberty without Social Darwinism is an abnomination

    It is how most societies go out, also. The Americans just think they invented it.


    William Newman Reply:

    “Liberty without Social Darwinism is an abnomination”

    “It is how most societies go out, also.”

    I think it’s more general than that, along two axes.

    It’s just one of the many specific ways to implement the general theme of decoupling responsibility from authority.

    And something recognizably similar can happen to various kinds of organizations, not just specifically to societies and their governments. Big bloated business organizations or religious organizations, for example.

    It isn’t guaranteed to kill an organization, but when comfortably idle organizations have the resources to fool around in Gnon’s big handguns and tequila room, it’s one of the kinds of ammo they find conveniently available.


    Posted on June 21st, 2015 at 2:46 am Reply | Quote
  • an inanimate aluminum tube Says:

    Your post seems to conflate social darwinism and regular darwinism.

    If you commit a transgression against the laws of the tribe and they kill you, that’s regular darwinism.

    If you fail to obtain enough food and starve to death, that’s regular darwinism.

    Social Darwinism is not really very well defined, but it seems to be an evolutionary strategy where a winner uses his verbal skills to deploy some pseudo-science that tricks a bunch of losers so that they agree to rig society for his benefit.

    “the strong should see their wealth and power increase while the weak should see their wealth and power decrease”

    But who are the strong? Is it Zuckerberg, with his moderately high verbal IQ, sub-clinical sociopathy and pieces of paper that say he owns facebook? Or is a political leader with few million friends (and their pitchforks)?


    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    My understanding is that there are three possibilities:

    If you knowingly do things that increase the frequency of bad genes in the population, that’s called “dysgenics”, and it’s obviously a bad thing, if not the most evil thing in the universe.

    If you try to decrease the frequency of bad genes in the population, that’s called “eugenics”, and it’s the most evil thing in the universe (because Hitler).

    If you don’t do either, and just let nature take its course, that’s called “social Darwinism”, and it’s the most evil thing in the universe (because compassion).


    Lesser Bull Reply:

    Droll. But the people who think dysgenics is terribilissima are the same ones who think eugenics and social Darwinism are terribilisima.


    Exfernal Reply:

    The involvement of the State would turn either one of them into a ‘terribilissimum’.

    Posted on June 21st, 2015 at 4:32 am Reply | Quote
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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    *Liberty without Social Darwinism is an abnomination in the eyes of Gnon*

    For Mormons, that’s almost literally true. Liberty is the ability to make meaningful choices, which is the same thing as making choices that have consequences. So liberty without Darwinism is like liberty without freedom, or marriage without spouses.

    It is, literally, Satan’s plan.


    Posted on June 23rd, 2015 at 12:36 am Reply | Quote

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