Quote note (#210)

Noah Smith wants everyone to know that his head has exploded:

The right’s way of talking – and thinking – about race is just totally poisonous. The conservative movement has been recruiting working-class whites and Southern whites for decades by using anti-black dog-whistles, and by promoting the idea that government spending equals white-to-black racial redistribution. More recently, the Trump campaign has ridden – and possibly spurred – a wave of anti-immigrant xenophobia. In the online social science discussion, racial theorists like Steve Sailer have gained an inordinately huge amount of currency among right-leaning intellectuals. Then there are the Twitter Nazis and the Reddit Nazis (and let us speak no more of them). So it is basically now impossible to talk to people on the right about race in a rational way.

So people on the left are the only ones I can talk to. …

“Rational.”

January 9, 2016admin 34 Comments »
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  • Neo Soliar Says:

    “promoting the idea that government spending equals white-to-black racial redistribution”. I don’t see how you could think this is a lie…

    “Twitter Nazis and the Reddit Nazis” Clearly missing the most important faction… He thinks thinks that reddit is full of nazis.

    But really besides trolling on these points he is basically correct. The american right has always pushed opinions that are unfashionable, and appealed to proles. He is just upset that the latest clothes have yet to make it into the homes of commoners. Why would anyone be caught dead wearing that scarf when all the fashionable people are now using silk.

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    Lord Auch Reply:

    Worth the read just to hear Matt Y say that liberals are excessively reluctant to yell racism.

    Yes, I’ve often noted that.

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    Steve Johnson Reply:

    The specifically amusing thing there is that journolist (created by Yglesias’ employer / partner at vox) specifically had a discussion about how to inoculate Obama against the Jeremiah Wright tapes where it was proposed that they should just pick some right leaning journalist and accuse them of racism to serve as an example to frighten the rest of the herd.

    He was also once polar bear hunted and didn’t mention the race of his attackers.

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    michael Reply:

    interesting that he says aloud that whats going on is marxism has changed from class redistribution to race redistribution. and they now understand power has a cash value so things like elite jobs degrees etc are often whats redistributed rather than cash.But i still am not convinced most of them understand what they are doing, it may be they are so racist they dont think any amount of power transfer will end up like south afrika. Their education is so insanely brain washing that nothng ever triggers warnings they simply can not think outside the contructs of newspeak

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  • Grotesque Body Says:

    @admin

    Didn’t you know that rational is the antonym of ‘problematic’?

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    Izak Reply:

    Ha!

    Although we can always “problematize” things, don’t forget that.

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  • The_Dancing_Judge Says:

    Always surprises me to see people talk like that about Steve Sailer. The dude is such a nice guy. He’s no scary neo-nazi. The fact that he fits right in at star slate codex should tell you everything you need to know.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    the obv. never spent any time on his site

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    Gentile Ben Reply:

    Sailer was recently quoted in a major news outlet, though I can’t recall which one. And not in a Dark Side way but as a respectable source. I can only guess the responsible cubicle journalist/clickbait crafter was just googling around and had no idea who Sailer was. Then again, maybe not.

    Sailer = Premier biorealist. A font of Gnonological wisdom.

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    Migod, next thing they’ll be quoting Greg Cochran…..

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    The ‘rationalist left’ oh which Noah is a part of are anti -racialists . That’s just thee way they are, like most leftists

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    bomag Reply:

    But anti-racialist in a way that makes them the biggest racialists around. Like the anti-porn guy who spends all day investigating the enemy.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    yeah it’s like atheists who talk about religion all the time

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    Gentile Ben Reply:

    Race denialists merely talk about race. Or rather they talk about how to talk about race, which doesn’t exist. Basically signaling sessions.

    If you can actually engage them (“OK, I’ll bite” they say wearily as they prepare to school a backwards racist) they only have these arguments:

    1. Lewontin (You’re genetically closer to a black guy than your own family)
    2. Gould (Everyone was zapped with the same cognitive ability 50,000 years ago and then froze in time)
    3. Race is “junk DNA”

    Followed up with “Everyone learns this in biology 101.” I don’t doubt it.

    And that’s literally it. I like Derb’s application of the concept of revealed preference to such people: It turns out race plays a huge role in where they live, go to school, who they socialize with, and so on. They have a revealed preference for white supremacy. But they are GOOD people and will signal their goodness at every opportunity, so they get a free pass. They need to be segregated so they can go about their righteous work undisturbed by minorities, who are egged on to punish the bad people.

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    bomag Reply:

    I would add:

    4) An anecdote about the Other that proves they are awesome.
    5) A history of Preference has kept them down; but the next proper intervention will prove once and for all their inherent equality if not their inherent superiority.

    And so a large part of our future is segregated communities frantically status signalling while not over dosing on their various “cures”; akin to an aging junky throttling larger and larger hits while avoiding a bad outcome.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    If your opponents can hear your dog whistle, it’s not a dog whistle. This is a fundamental property of dog whistles. So: liar or idiot? Projection, maybe? It’s like everyone calling a thing a bubble – if they do, it can’t possibly be a bubble.

    Now, Trump dog whistles all the time. You can tell because the media is baffled when hobbits like him, and can’t even agree which bizarre accusation they’re going to attribute it to.

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  • fnn Says:

    “Code words” was the term used before “dog whistling.” Same problem: If the enemy can understand the code it’s not really a code.

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  • Erebus Says:

    This is Noah Smith we’re talking about. The same idiot who brought us this:
    http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/academic-racism-has-kn-problem.html

    Which ranks very highly among the stupidest things ever written by a professional academic. The last paragraph is particularly disingenuous.
    …And his non-response to commenters on that post — including Steve Sailer, whom he unfairly and most dishonorably maligns — is just utterly pathetic. When he deigns to respond, he’s evasive; he doesn’t appear to have any confidence in his arguments, nor does he defend them, but he clings to them with religious zeal nevertheless.

    “The Cathedral” was well named. The medieval cathedrals took generations to build — their builders sustained by a religious mania that carried them through their labours, even though they would likely see little progress throughout their lifetimes. The modern establishment that we call The Cathedral demands the same zeal and fervour of its acolytes. Observe how Noah Smith refuses to believe anything — refuses to even see anything — that isn’t in lockstep agreement with the current stream of inner-party thought. His life’s work: Constructing flimsy legalistic arguments which prop-up that same orthodoxy. He’s like Krugman’s retarded kid brother.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    NRx is small enough that even bad press is better than none. SJWs denigrating NRx and the ‘alt right’ helps generate discussion . Noah is a good rabble-rouser with a lot of influence.

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    Gentile Ben Reply:

    It’s worth reading All of the comments section again. Painful. Noah’s discomfort manifests in those godawful antiquated 3-character winking smilies: 😉

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    Erebus Reply:

    …Painful is right.

    This post & comment thread, vs. Scott Alexander, was also a classic. Stunning evasiveness and cowardice, puerile and uncalled-for insults (“derp”), the wholesale regurgitation of the most fashionable progressive position… it’s downright characteristic.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Race “rationalism” is no different than other liberal lies. They will say whatever they think we will believe. Their goal is not equality, but destruction of the higher, so mediocrity is not noticed. This is why all societies that liberals take over end up in third-world status.

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  • Bettega Says:

    My favorite Noah Smith moment is when he said Ta-Nehisi Coates was better than Tolstoy, of whom he only listened the audiobook of “War and Peace”.

    There is no better symbol of the decline of Jewish intelligentsia in the United States. These guys used to be polymaths! They went from Mortimer Adler to Noah Smith in what, three generations?

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  • bomag Says:

    “This is why all societies that liberals take over end up in third-world status.”

    Yeah, but the rapid fall here bugs me. We went from a moon shot to mass rape in the town square within 50 years. I thought we should have had at least a couple hundred years of coasting.

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  • Skilluminati Says:

    “Steve was really preoccupied by becoming a famous evolutionist.”

    Lewontin from a 2015 interview:
    http://evolution-institute.org/article/the-spandrels-of-san-marco-revisited-an-interview-with-richard-c-lewontin/

    I believe Richard is a Vermonter these days, residing in Brattleboro, an armed compound for NY expats.

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  • blah Says:

    Semi-off topic, but have you seen this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TisxfLCAz8E

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  • pyrrhus Says:

    @Bettega I’m sure that the Cathedral will soon find someone even dumber than Ta-Nehisi who is much greater than Shakespeare, maybe a nascent rap artist….

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    I just looked up Ta-Nehisi and it turns out he’s a MacArthur Fellow.

    Just cuck my civilization up fam (not really, Sontag’s presence on that list should speak for itself).

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  • Xoth Says:

    Since we have mentioned South Africa and by extension its campus activities, has Action Commando NRx struck to destroy or at least deface a Woodrow Wilson statue yet? If not now, when?

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Sometime after NRx loses its way and becomes just another vulgar feels-oriented right wing clique, I guess.

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    Xoth Reply:

    It’s rather louche isn’t it?

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  • whatwedontknow Says:

    For some strange reason I feel exactly the same way about Noah Smith as I do about Trevor Noah.

    The nazis here are unworthy of their refined presence and they should move to a place without nazis.

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