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I’m not saying the election was rigged. I have no evidence of such a thing, and I’m sure the good people of Iowa are honest and competent. […] But just for fun, watch me build my case for a rigged election.

Since a lot of enraged Trumpenproletarians* are going to be talking about this, I should add some minimal local framing. This blog is:
(a) Loftily detached from Trump enthusiasm, and
(b) Unable to morally discriminate between fixed democracy, and ‘clean’ democracy. (Though, perhaps, the latter is ultimately slightly less depraved.)
Still, this story is already out there, and it isn’t unimportant at the level of popcorn-positive political disintegration, regardless of the final — and probably irrecoverable — facts.

* See this (+) persuasive introduction to early 21st century American class war. (Plus.)

ADDED: For obvious relevance

February 3, 2016admin 31 Comments »
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  • R. J. Moore II Says:

    Am I the only one looking forward to the collapse of the American Empire so we can see the immigrant brown and dispossesed white proles burning the liberals alive in their McMansions? At some point, these people really deserve to get the shit dumped right on their heads, whenever I hear about some Yankee getting knifed by wandering semi-criminal cliques all I can think is, “serves him right for living in New York.”

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    spandrell Reply:

    It doesn’t quite work like that. Worst case scenario you get Brazil, where the country sucks but the permanent bureaucracy goes on forever.

    Best case scenario in karmic justice terms is Mexico, where you get a big revolution with proles killing everything on sight, then things calm down and the revolutionaries grab power; but the people are still the same, so you still get a white-ish ruling class lording over 88 IQ peasants.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Yes, that’s true, and in this case no matter how retarded Blue Tribe is they’re still better at running bureaucracies and businesses than most of the Hordes are. Just the same, I find it impossible to sympathize or even give a shit about Europeans being raped and stabbed by people they invited and whom they’re unwilling to defend themselves against in principle. They are, quite literally, asking for it. The only downside in my sight is that more of the lilly-white sissies who run the bureaucracies aren’t being lynch-mobbed by Kebabs. Whine Nationalists see them as the enemy, I’m more Judaic: this is the wrath of God, or Nemesis, if you prefer paganista rhetoric.

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    michael Reply:

    that was before welfare states and cheap travel at any moment we could be camp of saints and at 60% already theres no room in boat it might be much uglier

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    it’s called Marxism–Leninism

    immigrant brown and dispossesed white proles

    These groups tend to be more liberal, contrary to the myth of the poor, uneducated Republican. Republicans tent to be middle class or above and better educated than the very poor. I discuss this on a post on my site which I will shamelessly plug here http://tinyurl.com/hgf8lv9

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Well, I’m not saying it’s salutary in the sense that I would permit it in My Country, but since this is basically a 3rd world waiting to happen I am pro-hate enough to enjoy the destruction. And yes, lower class whites like the lower tiers of indo-european society in the past tend to be more functionally egalitarian, and communitarian. However, they’re also more isolationist (our upper classes tend to be priests or warriors, thus Crusaders) and, like Montana, would rather ignore strangers than chide them. I certainly have no illusions about the quality of proles, whether imported or domestic.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    You might also add that (before the Ron Paul Revolution/Lefty Invasion) libertarians and contrarians tend to be the best educated and least important of any political tendency. As others have pointed out, hard right and contrarian leftists tend to get along/agree with nobody and appeal to even fewer people, thus a sort of congenital problem with getting off the ground.

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    michael Reply:

    Yankee? I take it your one of the proud sons of the south that imported the biohazard in the first place- great work really far thinking.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Though a Southron’r by birth I’m actually from a recently arrived group of Danish-Dutch plantation owners from the Indes, who had their own slaves but not the ones we’re talking about in the States. And Yankees are the Anglophilic religious psychopaths who birthed this misceginated Union and preserved it by force when it sought its natural division.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    And I moved to the Pacific Northwest, that used to be a bunch of conservatives, rednecks and libertarians until all the NE and California faggots started fleeing their nightmare zones of Tolerance. Pretty soon I’ll have to move to Shenzhen just to make sure no Goddamn white liberals or Welfare Refugees show up next door.

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  • Dark Psy-Ops Says:

    Hilarious, I was only just thinking the other day how perfect it would be if Rubio won the nomination, but Cruz is the second-best option for sinking the republican primary into total irrelevance. Unfortunately he still has some anti-establishment cred among the dissident right, but thankfully not too much, although Ace thinks he is a real rebel. Again, the sooner Trump is kicked out of the campaign the sooner disillusionment will set in for the working class. Though, again, most of the alt-right will never give up their precious democracy, they really do seem to have a fetish for the face-stomping boot of the Illuminati. “More boot please!” is the rallying cry of the alt-right, though they think their the one’s wearing the boot, but somehow their foot keeps reaching their own face. “if only we could put our foot down!” they think, “it’s only a matter of time before our faces crawl out from underneath our own stomping boots!”

    It is in the interest of the PTB to have an establishment republican win this election, so they can placate the conservative masses with manufactured opposition. “Hey, you didn’t get Trump guys, but we gave you Rubio, be happy and stfu about it.” That said, it’s likely Trump would be complete disaster, regarding the goal of democratic delegitimation. All round not a bad outcome for NRx and the popcorn industry, now all we have to do is cross our fingers for a democrat win, I can’t even decide which would be more disastrous, Hillary or Bernie.

    One major upset is the loss of hearing the media cry about a Trump victory, and now I guess we’ll have to put up with their relieved gloating, if they’re stupid they’ll start to hammer down on Cruz just as hard, because then he really will get some rebel cred.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    The Alt-Right, like most people, are stuck in the modern state paradigm and seem to think it’s eternal. Likewise, mass politics/populism. They are still clipping hedges at the margins, and they’re constitutionally incapable of ‘striking the root’.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I don’t think they will realise, though. People with strong identarian tendencies and the conformity that comes with it usually save every last bit of status quo they can. This is why they call them conservatives. This is also why they are scared to do anything about it and Cuck themselves, again, conformity and social obsession. The real people who are screwed over are the Ubermensch, who are reluctantly yoked to Red tribe due to our mutual antipathy with moralizing sissies. Red and Blue deserve each other, I wish they would just wipe each other out without ruining everything in the process.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    An optimistic prognosis would be the man on horseback – who tells these idiots what they want to hear and then does whatever he wants. Unfortunately the USA is desperately short on full scrotums.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Aside from eugenics, this is a lot of the appeal of space and transhumanism – the problem is the human race, not some particular idea or individual. The whole species is a product of blind evolution for an environment which no longer exists and are just a frustrating and dangerous squandering of potential. This is also why supervillains are cooler: Bane is right, Apocalypse is right, but most people are too maudlin to embrace it. Some men are born posthumously.

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    michael Reply:

    I think the attachment is no viable alternative kings and robots are just ridiculous neo cameralism and crypto locks is not well thought it in its implementation or execution we are the race that invented democracy its DNA.Ans people look back at the past and think why not reboot. why not revolt kill commies chase out browns and take away the shoes and votes of women.sure its far fetched but a lot less so than cyborgs kings, if NTX wants to be taken seriously it has to get serious, this aint CBGBs

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Egalitarian political institutions in modern mass societies have even less a chance of functioning than kings, and Identarianism in the Americas is less likely than robots – we’re not only deracinated by race, but we’re also totally lacking in local roots or national character. America is a standard fuck party and needs to be destroyed, not saved. Maybe in 2068 Texas can be a real country with actual citizens, right now it’s a parking lot for transient workers, white and brown. Personally, I despise most whites, especially liberals (half the country) and stupid people (most of the country). I don’t see that we have much in common to work with.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Michael, I have met thousands of white proles in my time, from the country to the city, from the most conservative area in Australia, to some of the most progressive city centers and college campuses, from boomers, to gen x, or millennials, it makes no difference, the vast majority of those people are of absolutely no use to us at all. I have as much hope for them to “become woke” as I do for a stone in my garden to become woke, grow legs, and take a walk. You want democracy? You’re looking at it. These are the results of suffrage, of the expansion of franchise, and all the other stupid ideas that go into making “progress”. Now, not only that, but we are going to witness the widespread destruction of Western people, and if we do not cultivate a hard, cold spiritual and emotional detachment from communist Europe and America, we will end up consumed by impotent rage, pity and resentment watching the degenerate morons some of us mistakenly call brothers willfully ruin themselves. Those people are going to win nothing but a large trophy from the cosmic Darwin awards. We are not seeing a “blip” in the otherwise glorious ideal of democracy, we are witnessing the final chapter of democracy, the veritable Omega of democracy. This was what Gnon always had in store for them, from the beginning, and now it is revealed in providence, and we, who are cultists of Gnon, are going to dry our tears, and take notes on the meaning of justice, as it is scrawled in blood upon the ensanguined walls of crimson nature.

    Ok, so that’s that, but what is it you say, we still need a plan? Well, I can only make a few predictions, and this is what I think:

    The mass murder-suicide of whites will not take the whole race down with them, and economic collapse will not launch the entire West into a new stone age, no matter how grisly things get, and in my bet things are going to get blacker than the asshole of a gnat. All we need is enough defections to destabilize the modern security apparatus, leaving the system vulnerable to secession dynamics. We don’t need to win control of the whole West, just a portion of it, or even a portion of Africa would do, or maybe we could escape to Hungary, or Western Australia, or bloody Antarctica, and all we need for that is to acquire enough military power to make us a player in the global strategy of MAD. Long-term goal is to get our hands on some nukes, or yes, robots, as well as men who are loyal to the cause, or money enough to pay mercenaries. This is insane and will never happen, you say? I respond, how many enemies has the Cathedral made and will make? How many will desire a redoubt away from the revolution, and its economic catastrophe? How stable is the Union anyway? And, most importantly, what sort of conspiracies are being hatched in the deepest networks of the state? Red-Blue civil war is only the beginning, the break up of USA will come next, and pan-secession is the logical outcome. The American establishment is not one beast, but works as something of an inverse Hydra, with many bodies sharing a single head, but such a creature can only exist in the democratic imagination, which sees unity where there is only plurality, and representation where there is only dissociation.

    What is essential is to build a structural framework that can sit and wait for things to click into place. And do not tell me you have not seen the signs of a new autocratic era of crypto-locked systems. Or the beginning of a shadow economy of crypto-currencies. It is a select elite that will look for exit and create the means to do so. Crypto-locked systems (blockchain) and neocameralism are precisely a framework for the non-democratic means of civil control. I cannot believe such a thing will not be attractive to the people who need it most. And once the algorithm is up and running, it will expand, unless it is abandoned completely, and I mean 100%. Keeping it small is in fact the better option, for it allows time for irreversible trends to set in, and massive roll-out to go unnoticed.

    Basically, when this thing comes down it’s going to come down in all directions at once, we’re not going to be able to make up our mind which exit door to take, as they’ll proliferate like methheads in Missouri. Do not take this for high-time preference, but I really do not see the fabric of the modern state holding together much longer, the collapse is imminent. Thinking democracy will correct itself is a dead-end, we need a way to survive and implement an alternate system, and work through non-democratic ideas of sovereignty and encryption.

    The Cathedral will not be able to pull off an Iron Curtain regime. They cannot even close their borders from an invasion of people smugglers in rusty boats. They are simply not that competent, and they will not manage to dissolve all the power latent in the Western world. The pendulum will swing, but the pendulum will not give us Trump, but a much larger meteorite. The impact has already happened, but the shock-waves are yet to reach us. What holds the economy together is magic glue. What holds society together is nothing at all. This is why dissent is considered so dangerous, for the truth is that a strong system need not punish its detractors, for it does not fear them, but a weak system is prone to frenzy at the slightest rebuke. The strong can tolerate parasites, for they barely notice them, but parasites must always watch and be weary of the strong, so precarious is their position. Now, the parasites have grown legion for they were not punished, and they think themselves in a golden age for blood-suckers, but they are blind to the declining health of their host, and so cannot see their victory will be short-lived. The plan is to take a knife to the lifeless parts of the system, and cut them away, let the parasites have their last feed, and escape while doomed gluttony distracts them.

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    Xoth Reply:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more European countries de facto fell apart, actually. Germany and Sweden for starters. (The UK and Spain might too, but seemingly just as a form of progressive posturing.) Some face saving but ineffectual institutions will of course remain to not make it too obvious.

    Xoth Reply:

    Also, I think hoping for fat cheeked blue haired heads on pikes at some point does not make me a bad person.

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Regarding the uselessness of proles: these people lack agency. This is a foundational feature of them being proles since the nomads invaded Europe, mediterranean farmer types are conformist and think with their bellies. This is why a lot of WN types are delusional, if they think these people will do more than bitch and blame the wrong people then accept any faux-solution that refuses to blame them for their own impotence. The same goes, in a way, for a lot of women in the West -they’re depressed, delusional cat-ladies who don’t want the one thing that would really help, i.e. stop being a narcissistic sluts, because 1) it’s too hard and 2) it hurts their feelings.

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Re: Xoth – I feel exactly the same way about 90% of the victims of these crime-infested cities and migrant ‘invasions’ – literally the only reason this is happening is because they’re conformist, obedient and cowardly. If these people are so upset the Kebabs are rapin’ and pillaging maybe they should learn to form lynch mobs – what, is there a shortage of rope in Germany? Nothing’s more pathetic than a person who won’t even defend himself.

    michael Reply:

    Galt speaks. Serious its a compliment.Maybe its that I dont have the technical understanding Honestly Im not even sure what a crypto country is, sure I understood how BTC could be disruptive to fiat thats within existing frame. I know a lot of gold hoarders most think they are prepping for end times I laugh and tell them if that happens golds value related to things that are much cheaper will fall, people cant do much with gold but seeds, sweatsocks,ammo, freeze dried antibiotics,digitized knowledge, auto and machine parts,fuel will be invaluable. How much less likely will people be to trade things for BTC. Maybe you envision the collapse and some patch president seizes some wmds and puts a crypto lock on them he trades protection from the cathedral and hells angels for these things he needs. Yeah but his control is less secure because the world is less secure more black swanns swimmig around and one might grab him and get his keys everyone talks but the keys are distributed then they are neutralized if shooting all the children doesnt produce them wmds no longer in game back to hells angel power. I said a while back they are not going to let exit happen in as much as the rich and smart will have to go somewhere really nasty to get away and probably not getting money out and cant buy much in kenya with it.
    I was not touting democracy but pointing out if you want to replace it youre fighting the tape its euro dna now i think we could be swayed but a coherant argument must be assembled i disagree that all proles are useless i think you do too many are lost and good riddance but one needs to hold terratory and places like idaho have the good type of proles that already get patriarchy and that theres no free lunch and that euros are not equal to ghanans and they will fight most have military training but preparations should be made in places like that. and I agree cathedral can be got but intelligence on them needs to commence. I say they can be got and I sometimes say there will be no meaningful collapse that they will use any collapse as an excuse to implement martial law and reward the stasi and increase anarcho tyranny. UNLESS they can not control the media and information and privacy. G washington understood he could defeat the cathedral if he could just stay in the field they would wear out their welcome with the populace. when cathedral troops abuse citizens and thats on the web they lose, mass defection, mass unrest and sabotage etc. then you get patchwork no USSR2. But right now you have Fb google etc as arms of usg alternate software and hardware must be developed now while leftys will embrace it still thinking the man is running things. In short I dont disagree your veiw is possible just a lot would need doing to make it happen.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    The power of arguments to persuade people is greatly overestimated.

    Goes back to Socrates, I believe. Aristotle ran with it, in case Socrates’ prestige wasn’t enough. He stated an ideal as fact.
    Making decisions rationally is strictly superior. Most cannot, however, for one reason or another.
    Of course this leads into another classical philosophy point – those who cannot reason are literally slaves to those who can. Which appears to be straightforwardly correct. (Yud’s cult is so novel it’s a slave to a 2400-year-old mistake.)

    This Alastair Roberts guy seems refreshingly non-ignorant. Makes me wonder how much of Greer’s shtick is about pushing a conclusion instead of grappling with the facts. Well…that, or I’m woefully confused about this whole Trump thing. I will nitpick regardless.

    America is pathological, though. It was born of s-jew personalities and obviously continues to nurture such things to this day. The apparently ‘decent’ American Johnny is reliably bamboozled by them. Perhaps this fact explains working class/HRx/WN hatred for Moldbug: they cannot stomach the truth that communism is American as apple pie. (Goes double for the ones that idolize a thing that calls itself ‘socialist’.)

    Apparently doesn’t know what Capitalism is. Seems Christian communist sympathies reliably cause symptoms.

    on issues such as immigration are appalling

    /facepalm
    On the scale of nations, immigration is a side-issue. A healthy society can handle doing it or not doing it. An unhealthy society will die either way.
    In the micro, Vox Day is correct: white can ‘respect’ the immigrants back to their countries, or whites can slaughter the immigrants in an epic bloodbath. There are no other options – it’s not like the beige clan is going to win at organized violence. I would have thought a Christian would be more appalled at massacres. But then I would not expect someone possessed by the anti-Capitalist devil to understand how scarcity works.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    To push my narrative, it all starts with the abolition of aristocracy – the most agency-minded, eugenically bred, elitist and heavily armed in Europe. It’s particularly bad in the USA and Australia because they never even had that aristocracy, and the people who chose to came here tended to not be of that genetic stock (much less social class). America is a nation of bourgeousie and proles, both who are fundamentally unsuitable for rulership. Old Roman and Greek republics were the property of the elite, i.e. the heirs of the Aryan nomads. We’ve translated that onto people who couldn’t take initiative if they rolled a 20.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    Don’t underestimate the brain drain America enjoyed and the practice of assorted mating. Also the eugenics of the old elites was weak and they became weak, so weak that they had it coming. The breeder’s equation shows that it takes quite a bit of sorting and potentially fresh blood to actually effect a desired change (the old aristocratic “breeding” was woefully insufficient), meanwhile medical advances lead to genetic loading taking it’s toll. The better breeding of Americans is at least on par with the old ways, which is to say again, woefully insufficient.

    With the right changes, I do think it possible to restore the primacy of agency and importantly, sanity. To get there requires a critical mass of agency and sanity in the right high places (not politicians). I think there may be just enough agency in those places and if not the right people could be maneuvered there, rather it’s a matter of restoring their sanity.

    Rule of the people is purely symbolic, like an infant king (because their agency can never be more than such), the real difference is that the present elite is insecure in it’s authority so they must continuously wage a power struggle. Also don’t underestimate the decay of the old republics, as much as I admire Cato the younger but I understand he was hardly representative of his contemporary Patricians.

    Too much internal competition risks cancer, too much external competition risks predation/starvation. Too little of either type of competition risks stagnation/decay.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    And regarding intelligence (and agency) there’s a good counter-proverb from Ragnar Redbeard – “the meek shall inherit the yoke.”

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  • John Hannon Says:

    Poor Trump – he’s never going to win now such warriors as these are at war with him –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfrRzW-Yqog

    What a freak show.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    殺殺殺殺殺殺殺

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  • whatwedontknow Says:

    All I hope is that a handful of smart people can keep technological progress going as 98% of mankind wallows in low-IQ idiocy.

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