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How to understand Trump’s core constituency:

The white working class and evangelicals know that ‘political correctness’ is not just about ‘treating people with respect’ as some suppose, but is a whip to keep them in line, a calculated means of stigmatizing certain viewpoints, excluding challenges to liberal orthodoxies from public conversation, and imposing a set of tendentious ideological values upon the public in a manner that precludes serious contestation. Rather than appeal for a more respectful and open civil society, political correctness takes meddlesome, officious, and censorious measures to stigmatize or root out speech that it finds objectionable, often resorting to force and authority over persuasion where possible.

The working class and evangelicals know that political correctness is a powerful tool for dismissing their valid concerns. If they complain about the effect immigration is having on their communities they can be told that they are being xenophobic. If they honestly report the reality of crime in their neighbourhoods as something highly shaped by ethnicity and religion, such as the systemic sexual abuse of girls by Asian gangs in Rotherham in the UK, they can be told that they are being Islamophobic and racist. If they do not believe that an inner sense of one’s gender is sufficient to constitute you as a member of the other sex, they can be dismissed as transphobic, apart from any serious engagement. If they believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, they are homophobic, driven by hatred, their conscience deserving no protection. If they question various feminist orthodoxies they risk being labelled misogynists. Branded with such pathologizing labels, ideological lepers from society, they can be conveniently excluded from public discourse and its institutions, and their concerns will be unaddressed.

Trump’s discourse is frequently uncivil, crude, and morally objectionable. However, Trump has demonstrated his readiness to flout the illiberal and officious policing of discourse that evangelicals and the working class have suffered under in many quarters and by which they are slowly being frozen out of public life. Trump’s demonstration of his ability to resist the shaming and ostracization by which progressives police speech and determine those who are allowed to voice opinions publicly is a sign of hope to such people for the breaking open of an extremely narrow Overton Window.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Branded with such pathologizing labels, ideological lepers from society, they can be conveniently excluded from public discourse and its institutions, and their concerns will be unaddressed.

    And that is why we live in a soft totalitarian state…

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    And Something the author doesn’t fully understand is just how badly the working classes, middle and below, are doing economically in America. Their real income has dropped more than 20% in the last 3 decades, probably more like 40% with legitimate inflation figures. And it has recently been discovered that the death rate of this class has skyrocketed, along with their rates of depression and substance abuse….The middle class is literally being destroyed.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I’m in my 30s and almost everyone around my age or a little younger that I know – intelligent, white males with decent basic credentials – is unemployed. If you don’t have the upper-middle class connexions from high-end school networking it can be almost impossible to get entry-level jobs, and just as hard to get out of McDonalds. Those who are working at McDonalds will probably do so forever, or until they get sick of it and move back in with their parents. And it’s only going to get worse from here.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    This is also why the Right needs to abandon the liberal, middle-class fetish with being nice, social approval, etc. When need to fat-shame fatties, shoot dindus when they put hands on us, and call trannies ugly men – in public. Liberals don’t understand how much people hate them, and non-liberals don’t either. Changing that is essential to shifting the Overton Window and, besides, wtf use do we have for slave morality norms to begin with? People who can’t take it were never worth shit to begin with.

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    Seth Reply:

    Yes, name-calling fat women and shooting blacks who touch whites are two well-founded principles of sound governance.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I don’t mean ‘Thomas Sowell bumps you at the back of the bus’, I mean a ‘gentle giant’ wants to educate you. And this is well founded on principles of not being a pussy and a bitch, which granted Silicon Valley nerds may be afraid of (being personally liberal and generally sissies). Anyone who won’t defend themselves deserves everything they get. Good governance is just rationalizing and institutionalizing private virtu.

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  • Hesiod Says:

    Top-liked comment for that article:

    I appreciate this piece. I really do. But, what am I, a woman, to make of his dismissive and hateful comments about women? What are blacks or other minorities to make of Trump’s derisive comments?

    How does one battle against Cathedral propaganda that criticism of the one or the few is criticism of all? This is the root of Me-Gyn Kelly’s attack on Trump during the first debate.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Women are praise-obsessed, but the fact is that a lot of the traditional attitudes – iei women shouldn’t be involved in politics, are conformist and attention obsessed, etc. is bourne out both in modern and classical societies. Women don’t like to hear it, but that’s not my problem.

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  • Mark Citadel Says:

    Like I said, its all about the Overton Window. The office of the presidency is a triviality at this point. Trump is like a baseball bat, and we should swing it at the glass as much as we can in the limited time frame available, because ultimately, he will be stopped.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Even if he won the Presidency it’s not like (contra libertarian memes) the President is some kind of dictator controlling a centralized bureaucracy. We at the reactionary/radical fringe know that this country is a cottonball despotism, or anarcho-tyranny, and even if he had congress packed he’d barely make a dent in the overall motion of Leviathan. You’re right, it’s all about the Overton Window. Liberals live in extremely isolated social bubbles (ala Star Slate Codex or wth it’s called) and they probably don’t even realise that Red and Grey actually routinely make fun of them in open conversation, just not in public. Now they’re finding that out, and it’s turning our private memes into public trolling. ‘Niceness’ is a liberal value and is vastly overrated. Our Cathedral deserves no respect, and neither do its little pig-people in office.

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  • michael Says:

    The scott adams video link is them gem in this

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  • Lawrence1978 Says:

    Totally off topic: I’ve just set up this blog that aggregates alt right blogs and sites: http://theshitlordhub.blogspot.co.uk/. The idea is to use it as a go-to source where you can constantly check on the updates of alt right publications in a convenient, time-saving way, avoiding the task of browsing through a plethora of sites and blogs just to see if they have been updated or not. This blog was conceived as a tool along the lines of another blog, “Mapping the Dark Enlightenment” (http://neoreactionarymap.blogspot.com/), but by aggregating feeds for the latest 5 articles of each of the sites and blogs aggregated (some 90 so far and counting), plus links to mainstream news aggregators, plus links to other red-pill sites and online WN resources, I think it is a bit more comprehensive and user-friendly. OUTSIDE IN, by the way, is there. Give it a look and, if you find it useful, feel free to spread the word. Thank you for your attention!

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Neat-o.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Thumbs up. I found myself thinking how useful such a site would be the other day.

    A Google for non-Satanists.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    There’s no reason to go defaming Anton LaVey and the Prince of Darkness. The Lord of the Earth would never be as pussy and tasteless as liberal scum.

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    michael Reply:

    I like it but its only a tenth of whats out there id like to sort as well ie manosphere, european right,alt reich,future tech,HBD,etc and by keyword, maybe a way to know if someones new to the world and if theres discussion or links to them,I would like an authot index a whos who of the blogs tweets etc anonymous for those who want it and not for those who are open I find it really hard to remember whos who, perhaps they would be willing to describe their definition of their right which could also be used to assemble a index of alt right perspectives. Begin a history of the alt right and keep working on it. this could include whats being debated by who index. and dont forget a index of inactives like Griffe etc
    But great work thanks

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    Freedom of speech or reactionary govt. One or the other. I don’t think we can have both. I would prefer the right-wing reactionary system than a left-wing one.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    ‘Free speech’ is an issue of private property. As non-left (ie real) libertarians have been saying for 100 years, you can say what you like in your own house. ‘Authoritarianism’ and libertarianism have more in common than most libertarians would like to imagine (because they’re usually liberals in sentiment).

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    michael Reply:

    I think thought needs to go into whats actually possible telling americans they cant speak think freely is a tough sell- yeah no politics bl;ah blah blah how do you get farther than libertarians have – oh yeah “the collapse” still waiting.Can I suggest the Cathedral is brilliant take it over. and if you want star with the Nuremberg trials 2.0 and hang a bunch of commie multiculturalists then root the remainder out of public service and start brainwashing a new generation.It wont be as legal to be a commie multi marxist as it is to be a neo nazi now technically free speech reality youre a potential domestic terrorist.

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  • Quote note (#216) | Reaction Times Says:

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  • Bettega Says:

    We need to introduce Eastern Bloc dissident classics again in public conscience, they are more important than ever, works like Czeslaw Milosw’s “The Captive Mind”, Vaclav Havel’s “The Power of the Powerless” and Leszek Kolakowski’s “Theses on Hope and Hopelessness” help us understand the society we live in and how can we change that.

    Such books used to be more widely read, or at least known by public intelligentsia, but they became to be purged just as the same intelligentsia began to copy the same Soviet methods they described.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    They haven’t just done this to Sov Dissident lit., they’ve done the same with triumphalist Atlanticism, too – a lot of the ‘conspiracy theory’ stuff they castigate comes straight out of Carrol Quiggly or various 20th century pro-technocracy establishment writers; this has been done not just to cover their tracks but also because the reality of their psychotic despotism is something liberals desperately want to avoid confronting – which is why they refuse to interact with anyone except rich white liberals in gated communities.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Power.

    The issue is Power, not Conscience.

    So no reading Gulag Archipelago won’t work.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Not to mention most people don’t have the intellect, background or literacy skills to even get through, much less process the implications, of Solzhenitsyn. This is a basic problem: reality is complex and multipolar, people are binary bullshitters.

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  • hm Says:

    @Bettega

    One of the recommendations given above:

    Vaclav Havel’s “The Power of the Powerless”
    http://vaclavhavel.cz/showtrans.php?cat=eseje&val=2_aj_eseje.html&typ=HTML

    For anyone interested, this is absolutely essential reading. Some absolutely devastating quotes:

    “Ideology is a specious way of relating to the world. It offers human beings the illusion of an identity, of dignity, and of morality while making it easier for them to part with them. As the repository of something suprapersonal and objective, it enables people to deceive their conscience and conceal their true position and their inglorious modus vivendi, both from the world and from themselves. It is a very pragmatic but, at the same time, an apparently dignified way of legitimizing what is above, below, and on either side. It is directed toward people and toward God. It is a veil behind which human beings can hide their own fallen existence, their trivialization, and their adaptation to the status quo. It is an excuse that everyone can use, from the greengrocer, who conceals his fear of losing his job behind an alleged interest in the unification of the workers of the world, to the highest functionary, whose interest in staying in power can be cloaked in phrases about service to the working class. The primary excusatory function of ideology, therefore, is to provide people, both as victims and pillars of the post-totalitarian system, with the illusion that the system is in harmony with the human order and the order of the universe.”

    I also liked this:

    THE MANAGER of a fruit-and-vegetable shop places in his window, among the onions and carrots, the slogan: “Workers of the world, unite!” Why does he do it? What is he trying to communicate to the world? Is he genuinely enthusiastic about the idea of unity among the workers of the world? Is his enthusiasm so great that he feels an irrepressible impulse to acquaint the public with his ideals? Has he really given more than a moment’s thought to how such a unification might occur and what it would mean?

    I think it can safely be assumed that the overwhelming majority of shopkeepers never think about the slogans they put in their windows, nor do they use them to express their real opinions. That poster was delivered to our greengrocer from the enterprise headquarters along with the onions and carrots. He put them all into the window simply because it has been done that way for years, because everyone does it, and because that is the way it has to be. If he were to refuse, there could be trouble. He could be reproached for not having the proper decoration in his window; someone might even accuse him of disloyalty. He does it because these things must be done if one is to get along in life. It is one of the thousands of details that guarantee him a relatively tranquil life “in harmony with society,” as they say.

    Obviously the greengrocer is indifferent to the semantic content of the slogan on exhibit; he does not put the slogan in his window from any personal desire to acquaint the public with the ideal it expresses. This, of course, does not mean that his action has no motive or significance at all, or that the slogan communicates nothing to anyone. The slogan is really a sign, and as such it contains a subliminal but very definite message. Verbally, it might be expressed this way: “I, the greengrocer XY, live here and I know what I must do. I behave in the manner expected of me. I can be depended upon and am beyond reproach. I am obedient and therefore I have the right to be left in peace.” This message, of course, has an addressee: it is directed above, to the greengrocer’s superior, and at the same time it is a shield that protects the greengrocer from potential informers. The slogan’s real meaning, therefore, is rooted firmly in the greengrocer’s existence. It reflects his vital interests. But what are those vital interests?

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    His point about ideology is why religion/theocracy are non-starters, the Theonomists (actually) appeal to a social tradition that is dead and can’t be resurrected (small town life, bourgeousie peaceful society, hard capitalism) and associate it (fallaciously) with the cult that coincided it. Of course, Germanic tribal law and industrial politics have more to do with that than any ‘Christianity’, which is so contradictory and nebulous as to support any number of lunatic apocalyptic cults but with scarce coincidence with actual European society they admire. Christian Fundamentalism is a deluded appeal to European cultural and lifestyle norms. Since both Christianity and the background that gave rise to those norms are dead the whole effort is a bad joke.

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    frank Reply:

    I’m firmly convinced that a healthy human polity that doesn’t have a religion is an impossibility. Human mode of networking is through cults. I’ve never seen an alternative to this in my life, nor do I expect to see one at this point.

    So the problem is: how to build a eucivic and eugenic religion that is highly infectious. As far as I’m concerned, this is the central problem eth-nat faction of NRx is trying to solve. Warg et al. in particular are working on building a framework of socio-religious studies–not the bullshit Academia version, but a real, true version.

    Curt Doolittle, on the other hand, is still convinced that he can salvage Enlightenment. So he accuses Moldbug of trying to replace a state religion –progressivism– with another one — instead of instating a true revolution™ (his words not mine) and getting done with religion once and for all.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I’m firmly convinced that a healthy polity is almost an accident given our modern materials. Seriously, apartheid and eugenics or fail. Aside from Super AI God there is no alternative. Narrative and bad ideas are built into everyone, and dominate most. The answer is not to cater to fucktards, but to remove them to the jungles they belong in.

    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    A big part of this is to discourage out-group empathy. People who are shitty by nature should be ignored and left to die, just like stray cats and pandas. The whole problem of voting rights, welfare, etc. comes from a lack of aristocratic disdain in the elites and too much regard for what little nobodies ‘think’ ie feel.

    frank Reply:

    >Seriously, apartheid and eugenics or fail. Aside from Super AI God there is no alternative.

    Absolute monarchy would take care of almost all the retardation stemming from democracy. When the incentives of the management is aligned correctly, even a company with shitty assets can be made great.

    Absolute monarchy is just another cult though. That’s why it works. Good companies are efficient cults.

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  • R. J. Moore II Says:

    This is why many people who don’t really care about politics or even immigration like the God-Emperor, myself included. I am probably only about 25% in agreement with Trump’s stated positions, but since politicians’ positions are factually irrelevant what he stands for – a flouting of orthodoxy and a standing threat to unelected, soulless bureaucratic scum – he is vaguely positive. And, insofar as I disagree with him, none of the other candidates are better, and they’re also criminal scum who ought to be deported and/or tried and hung.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    “Trump’s demonstration of his ability to resist the shaming and ostracization by which progressives police speech and determine those who are allowed to voice opinions publicly is a sign of hope to such people for the breaking open of an extremely narrow Overton Window.”

    branding EXIT without HOPE, at least more honest and realistic.

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  • Hattori Says:

    Trump badly needs a win in NH or the race is Rubio’s. The media jumped into the Rubio bandwagon as fast as possible. Don’t know if Trump can keep his momentum on for a month without being in the spotlight.

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    frank Reply:

    He needs another truth bomb so as to create another Trumpencraze vortex. Race realism, and hate facts about negro crime would do. Somewhat counterintuitively, such a move could boost his popularity among black voters.

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  • Raymund Eich Says:

    @RJ Moore II

    I’m in my 30s and almost everyone around my age or a little younger that I know – intelligent, white males with decent basic credentials – is unemployed. If you don’t have the upper-middle class connexions from high-end school networking it can be almost impossible to get entry-level jobs, and just as hard to get out of McDonalds. Those who are working at McDonalds will probably do so forever, or until they get sick of it and move back in with their parents. And it’s only going to get worse from here.

    Since you recognize you have little to lose, and will have even less to lose if present trends continue, have you considered waging guerrilla warfare against the Cathedral? Yes, the risks are extremely high (large chances of death, permanent disability, imprisonment, prison rape, and torture), but the potential rewards for successful guerrillas far outweigh video games, anime, forged painkiller prescriptions, and pr0n. Plus, there’s a huge and guaranteed risk in withdrawing to your parent’s basement: in 40 years or so you’ll be dead anyway.

    More generally, the Cathedral has taken a huge risk in reneging on the implied promise it made to men like RJ Moore II, “follow our rules and you’ll have fulfilling work, loyal wives, and legitimate children, all embedded in tradition.”

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    Mike Reply:

    Um, I don’t think that was quite the cathedral’s promise. At least, not in the past half-century or so. The cathedral’s promise, for some time now, to men at least, has been “give us support and you’ll be popular with women and get laid a lot”. A covert contract par excellence, which not surprisingly gets discarded once the support from men has been rendered.

    This, incidentally, is why the manosphere is essential – absolutely compulsory – to any successful right-wing movement: because it debunks the left’s traditional sales pitch to young men, which, duh, is essential to selling right-wing ideology to young men. Their promises of sex are bullshit. That’s basically where the millennial alt-right (a mostly-redundant term) begins.

    Second, guerilla warfare is unlikely to achieve anything (see Moldbug’s warnings against it, though he concedes Franco might have been an exception).

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    Raymund Eich Reply:

    Um, I don’t think that was quite the cathedral’s promise. At least, not in the past half-century or so.

    True. “follow our rules and you’ll have fulfilling work, loyal wives, and legitimate children, all embedded in tradition” was the promise made by the 1933-1968 Cathedral. Which it inherited from every stable government in European and US history.

    Second, guerilla warfare is unlikely to achieve anything (see Moldbug’s warnings against it,

    I very much agree with you and Moldbug. For anyone considering guerrilla warfare against the Cathedral who doesn’t want to wade through Moldbug’s prose, here’s the tl;dr. Twentieth century guerrillas won in places like China, Vietnam, and Algeria because the Cathedral sided with them.

    Stark example: the French military was winning the war in Algeria until French journalists and intellectuals denounced its use of torture against the Algerian rebels. Those same journalists and intellectuals turned a blind eye to tortures and atrocities committed by the Algerian rebels against both European settlers and Algerian moderates. The net result was a manufactured consent in the French public to withdraw the military from Algeria and abandon the European settlers to their fate.

    Against alt-right guerrillas in the US, torture would be fair game. CNN & NY Times would at first not report on it, then would come out in favor of it. The manufactured consent in the US public would be that the alt-right guerrillas had it coming, and in case there’s any doubt about our loyalty to the Cathedral, we’ll put “workers of the world, unite!” signs in our windows.

    That said, I can see three weak points in the Cathedral’s ability to respond to alt-right guerrillas. (1) most of the police and military forces at the Cathedral’s disposal have ethnic/religious/regional/cultural ties to the likely guerrillas. (2) thanks to the dissident-right media, the Cathedral doesn’t have a monopoly on consent manufacturing. (3) the alt-right guerrillas could get support from the Cathedral’s external enemies (e.g., Russia) or realpolitik power players (e.g., China).

    Even with that, an alt-right guerrilla movement faces an uphill climb. But if young men like RJ Moore II have nothing to lose and enough to gain, even at long odds the might roll the dice.

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    Bettega Reply:

    Case in point: communist government had no difficulty crushing anti-communist guerrillas in Eastern Europe after World War II. The “cursed soldiers” of Poland, the “Forest Brothers” of the Baltic nations, Chetniks in Yugoslavia the UPA in Ukraine, they were all obliterated, their very memory being forgotten.

    Winning against a guerrilla is ridiculously easy when the media and the intelligentsia is on your side. You just kill them all. No one will denounce abuses against “kulaks”.

    Bettega Reply:

    Franco won for the same reason why Hitler and Mussolini won. They had people sympathetic to their cause inside the Establishment. The Catholic Church, in the case of Franco, and the judiciary and military, in the case of Hitler and Mussolini.

    For example, if Nazi brownshirts and communist street thugs fought on the streets, the Nazis would be released with a pat in the back, the communists would be jailed for a long period. Of course, nowaday is the opposite, any militarist strategy on the right is doomed to failure for this reason, the Antifas may be weaklings, but they will win the same.

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    Raymund Eich Reply:

    Also, the Communists crushed anti-communist uprisings in East Germany 1953, Hungary 1956, and Prague 1968. But not Solidarity in 1980 or the Velvet Revolutions of 1989. What was different?

    One possibility: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_%28Polish_trade_union%29 that the US funneled $1 billion to Solidarity in the early ’80s.

    Another possibility: Solidarity and the Velvet Revolutions never took up arms, thereby denying the security forces the justification to violently crush them… but the kulaks in the ’30s didn’t take up arms against Stalin either. Next.

    A third possibility: the Soviet Bloc’s rulers lost asabiyya between 1968 and 1980, and so failed to unify themselves against Solidarity before it was too late. Or skillful operators had totally jettisoned any loyalty to Communism. They saw personal profit opportunities in the collapse of the old regime and took them, ideology be damned.

    A fourth possibility: Polish-American politicians made Solidarity enough of an issue to keep it in US public consciousness and US foreign policy.

    A fifth possibility: by 1980, the Inner Party of the US Cathedral saw the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Bloc and decided to finally support anti-communist movements.

    None of these explanations seem particularly satisfying. Anyone have another?

    Raymund Eich Reply:

    How much of the US military would favor the alt-right? Not the Pentagon brass, of course, they’ll follow enough orders from the Blue State to get their pet procurement projects/post-active-duty sinecures with defense contractors. But what about lower ranks, the men directly able to destroy things and kill people?

    frank Reply:

    >This, incidentally, is why the manosphere is essential – absolutely compulsory – to any successful right-wing movement: because it debunks the left’s traditional sales pitch to young men, which, duh, is essential to selling right-wing ideology to young men. Their promises of sex are bullshit. That’s basically where the millennial alt-right (a mostly-redundant term) begins.

    Great analysis.

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    michael Reply:

    I have to say CH is becoming a devastating critic and funny we should give him a TV show

    michael Reply:

    a thousand virgins?

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    I think anyone with a soul and a set of testicles has considered guerilla warfare, as Mencken said of all decent men they will inevitably entertain the temptation to “spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats.” The problem is the social-signaling and conformity of the masses, combined with the mixed populations of Red and Blue tribe. This is why purposeful white flight and social segregation help, because eventually we might have a supermajority Red state that is composed of manly non-progressives who have guns and reinforce each other’s hatred. If that does happen some day I’ve already got my Black tshirt ready.

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    michael Reply:

    Theres plenty of states like this already theyre so nice to live progs start moving there and get into local politics california was the first to go idaho will be the last.
    Top anyone contemplating the blag flag you really need to think log and hard and get outside opinions on how any actions might be spun to do more harm than good.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Hell, I don’t even care about the propaganda effects, just the possibility of actually winning fights. I mean, if this were an action movie I’d alreday be blowing away platoons of cops with my hand-portable minigun. Unfortunartely, it’s rather difficult to actually fight the Stasi when you have no support base, and pretty pointless. And, to top if off, I don’t think most people deserve a God damn thing, certainly not anything that requires the slightest effort or sacrifice on my part. People worth saving don’t need it.

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  • D. Says:

    Regarding Solidarity, the Polish military carried out a coup at the end of 1981 out of fear that the Soviets would regard as intolerable the inability of Poland’s communist government to suppress Solidarity and therefore intervene in Poland as they had previously in Hungary and Czechoslovakia. The military government proceeded to use martial law to effectively suppress Solidarity and other protest movements. Even after the lifting of martial law in 1983, it took a few years for Solidarity to re-emerge as an effective force, playing an important role in the demise of Poland’s communist regime in 1989, which leads into the broader question of why the Soviet Union permitted the collapse of communist regimes in its satellite states in 1989 rather than maintaining them by force.

    I think there were three main factors involved: economic, military, and ideological. The Soviet Union in the 1980s became dependent on Western food imports paid for with credit arranged by Western banks with the cooperation of Western governments. This provided the West with leverage against the Soviets, who were no longer willing to experience the food scarcity they had endured in earlier communist periods. The massive arms-buildup of the Reagan administration with its accompanying R&D spending put fear into the Soviet leadership that they would be completely out-classed with even their nuclear arsenal rendered obsolete by missile defense systems. Meanwhile, the Soviets were drained by their Afghan intervention and strained to support their massive military presence in the satellite states, which would have been even more costly if they needed to use their military to directly prop up even one satellite state. Finally, by the 1980s, there were few communist true believers even in the upper echelons of the Party and fewer willing to endorse mass bloodshed to prevent communist regimes from toppling. Boris Yeltsin, for example, in the 1980s was appointed to the Central Committee and became Moscow Party Chief but played a leading role in dissolving the USSR while taking power over Russia for himself.

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    D. Reply:

    This was intended as a reply to Raymund Eich above.

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  • whatwedontknow Says:

    But what mysterious force is responsible for all the conformists acting so conforming?
    It must be a particularly mindless and crude gene, probably shared with the lower apes. To be so common, it must aid low-IQ individuals in breeding.

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    michael Reply:

    we are social animals we live in tribes alphas are few and needless violence is repressed cooperation is selected for.But there are other instincts and cooperation is a two way street.

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    Bob Reply:

    There’s no mysterious force. They’re just selfish genes expressing extended phenotypes among the conformists.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    The survival of mediocrity is one of the effects of all eusocial societies, which is why Faustian individualism is less reliable but infinitely cooler. Jaguars deserve this planet more than humans do, at this point.

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  • Bob Says:

    Regarding guerrilla warfare, the leftist national liberation guerrilla movements of the 20th century had significant domestic popular support and international support and sponsorship. It wasn’t simply a matter of “the Cathedral” siding with them, which incidentally was in the context of geopolitical competition. For example, the US backed the French in Indochina, and then tried to cut its losses by backing a native Catholic leadership in South Vietnam that were regarded by many natives as being cultists and had no mass support and prospects for the future.

    If we assume that the country is half Blue, and that part of the Red half would be unsympathetic, I’m not sure how much popular support alt-right guerrillas would have at their disposal. The dissident-right media is an alternative to mainstream media, but it tends to range from post-American to explicitly anti-American, which restricts its broader appeal. And there’s nothing comparable to the international support that the communist bloc provided. Alexander Dugin’s geopolitical textbook recommends promoting racial and sectarian conflict and separatism, but that’s for the purposes of fomenting instability and weakening the US state, rather than securing a functional and stable US state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Content

    Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke “Afro-American racists”. Russia should “introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.”[1]

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Post/Anti-Americanism as a dividing line is pretty clear even in online circles of radicals, much of the AltRight is still obsessed with this gigantic, unworkable nation-state/empire system which started as a bad leftist experiment but these fags are still attached to it because ‘muh nationalism’.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Moldbug doesn’t know what he’s talking about with war.

    Or frankly America. He knows his own secret history – and it isn’t.

    Lot of that going around.

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    R. J. Moore II Reply:

    Moldbug has a lot of insight into abstractions, but tends to get Julius Evolaesque when he tries application.

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    Posted on February 7th, 2016 at 9:25 pm Reply | Quote

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