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Douthat (whatever his status quo sins) is participating in our conversation:

… Others, especially in the intelligentsia, have a kind of highbrow nihilism about our politics, a sense that American democracy’s decadence — or the Republican Party’s decadence, in particular — is so advanced that a cleansing Trumpian fire might be just the thing we need.

March 6, 2016admin 10 Comments »
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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    Others, especially in the intelligentsia, have a kind of highbrow nihilism about our politics, a sense that American democracy’s decadence — or the Republican Party’s decadence, in particular — is so advanced that a cleansing Trumpian fire might be just the thing we need.

    I have also noticed a trend of smart, well-read people (the opposite of the stereotypical Trump supporter) supporting Trump, or rebuking the childish leftists criticisms against him.

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    Seth Reply:

    Source? Not saying you’re wrong, but collecting the samples would make for an interesting butterfly collection.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    I have also noticed a trend of smart, well-read people (the opposite of the stereotypical Trump supporter) supporting Trump, or rebuking the childish leftists criticisms against him.

    The great secret is that the smartest people have always supported the kind of right-wing outlook that would make even Trump blush. They keep quiet about it because they know they will be destroyed if they emerge as the enemy of the crowd, most of whom are capable of being industrious tinkerers but have zero ability for both abstract and realistic thought at the same time. Literature, philosophy and classical music — with a few exceptions — generally read as a who’s who of unvocalized far-right thought. The Leftists realized this and so manufactured hoop-jumping contests like modern education so that they could reward the mediocre, and claim that mediocre as “intelligent,” and use that to displace the actually intelligent. It’s straight out of Idiocracy: “You talk like a fag.”

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Indeed.

    Or, in short, every successful Jedi is simply a disguised Sith.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    With the exception some aspects of social justice and affirmative action, even the academic process itself is illiberal, somewhat elitist, and impersonal, where quantifiable results and merit matters, not feelings, connections, or emotions. Although some on the ‘right’ praise capitalism, it also has tendency to borrow aspects of liberalism its want or need to ‘please’ people and dumb things down for money, whereas academia and esoteric stuff is above pandering. Capitalism has a tendency to value quantity over quality.

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    Erebus Reply:

    It’s not always unvocalized.

    In the USA, there was not a single great man of letters who was not openly a man of the right. Poe despised democracy. (And, interestingly enough, democracy may have killed him.) Washington Irving was considered a “political reactionary” and distrusted democracy. Hawthorne cared nothing for the plight of black slaves & deeply hated the Whigs. Henry James was a reactionary & always wished he were a real aristocrat. Ambrose Bierce would fit in perfectly with the Xenosystems crowd. Lovecraft held rightist and race-realist views & is now persona non grata among leftists.

    In France it’s even more interesting, because most of their literary “innovators” were rightists. Baudelaire — forerunner of the fin de siècle “decadent” movement — was an avowed reactionary and a student of de Maistre. Many of the great writers influenced by him — from Villiers de l’Isle-Adam to Huysmans — were also men of the right. And, of course, so was arch-dandy Barbey d’Aurevilly.

    From Tokyo to St. Petersburg to London, it’s much the same: I can’t bring to mind any great leftist authors — yet very many of them have been, openly, of the right.

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    Grotesque Body Reply:

    Bierce’s Fantastic Fables could have been written by Moldbug, or maybe Jim. An incredibly based guy.

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    Indeed, the great thinkers generally become reactionaries, I think, simply through their knowledge of history, and the catastrophes that have resulted, over and over, from “progressive” idealism in government or culture.
    The medical injunction to “first do no harm” comes to mind.

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  • Bill Johnson Says:

    I visit this site through other sites, but I frankly don’t understand what is being said most of the time. However, I followed the link and began to read the article. I stopped at this sentence, “The core of that support is a white working class that the Democratic Party has half-abandoned and the Republican Party has poorly served…”

    Why did I stop? Because at that point I knew the author was dishonest. Obviously, he is smart. So he must know that it is n’t being “half-abandoned” it is being scorned and ridiculed. And actually the wordage chosen is simply another example of what I am referring to. Oh those petulant children didn’t get their ice cream so they are upset. That is, we understand they are upset, but they are having a temper tantrum.

    Game research shows that we would hurt ourselves to punish others. Yes, Trump is a fucking asshole, but I am willing to sacrifice if it means taking this fuck-head down a few notches.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    problem is that they always electing new people, who practically knew near to nothing about running a country or international affairs. instead they can have presidents rotation system, Let people have wilder/wider choises, Putin to USA, Obama to Nigeria or Kenya, Merkel to Australia (as far as possible from Europe), Mugabe to …. not so sure about that one. If they are serious about globalisation, why not to demonstrate some personal commitment.

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