Quote note (#245)

Nydwracu on Great Awakenings:

La Wik:

First Great Awakening: 1730-1755
Second Great Awakening: 1790-1840
Third Great Awakening: 1850-1900
Fourth Great Awakening: 1960-1980
From 1730 to 1790 is 60 years. From 1790 to 1850 is 60 years. From 1850 to 1960 is 110 years. 110 / 2 = 55. Close enough. 1960 + 60 = 2020.

As we all know, the Fourth Great Awakening had secular and folk-religious components. We should expect the fifth one to as well. The obvious candidates for the secular component are the already-existing revivals of Communism, Fascism, and flat-earthism, and the obvious candidates for the folk-religious component are Tumblrism, fad diets, and singularitarianism. There are probably more.

What will the religious component look like?

Well, things are getting weird. Really weird. …

As for that missing episode, it would be preposterous to advance this (1904) as the apex of a ‘Great Awakening’ in the sense at stake here, but perhaps not such a stretch to think it was picking up on some strange turbulence in the Aethyrs.

May 7, 2016admin 21 Comments »


21 Responses to this entry

  • wu-wei Says:

    My bet is a revival of a form of idolatry as the worship of internet memes.


    Posted on May 7th, 2016 at 2:14 pm Reply | Quote
  • SVErshov Says:

    interesting question also, what exactly helped religion to survive. ortodox christians, buddists, islam survived even in communists Russia. if we will use direct extrapolation from Darvinian theorem “selection favor adaptability” then they should vanish. religion not really adapt as to adapt it have to change. it did not changed, its internal structure or theology, dress code or anything remains the same.


    Posted on May 7th, 2016 at 2:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • grey enlightenment Says:

    this seems more like an example of apophenia


    Posted on May 7th, 2016 at 2:29 pm Reply | Quote
  • Bill Says:

    The other recent posts have been either (a) horrifying, or (b) delightful. This one is (c) dumb. I can easily name important ‘awakening’ dates not listed. For instance, in 1543 Vesalius published the Fabric of the Human Body and Copernicus published On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres. Robert Hooke published Micrographia in 1655, wherein Hooke described the body of a flea and the craters on the Moon; and leading Leeuwenhoek who went on to find and describe the first microorganisms using early microscopes in the 1680s. The claims in this post are highly subjective, and my guess is that they predict nothing. That doesn’t mean something won’t happen in 2020. A short prediction doesn’t require a crystal ball, just two eyes and an Internet connection to see something is brewing.


    admin Reply:

    Great Awakenings are an established historical category. If you find them implausible, you have deep problems with mainstream scholarship (which is, of course, fine — but I’m reluctant to carry the can for it, and I don’t think Nydwracu is under any obligation to do so, either).


    Bill Reply:

    @admin I was not aware of the established scholarship. The historical methodology that would create temporal periods of “awakening” seems implausible to me. In my opinion, and I won’t continue to argue, this feels like a house built on wet sand. If I didn’t know the history of xenosystems I would feel as though I’m being gas lighted.


    Chris P Michael Reply:

    Great Awakenings are a specifically American phenomenon, corresponding to times of renewed religious interest in the United States. Those events, therefore, are not relevant.


    Bill Reply:

    I need to read more about it. If I am wrong, then I apologize.


    Posted on May 7th, 2016 at 6:00 pm Reply | Quote
  • TexasCapitalist Says:

    I just read this at the Guardian:

    Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, has come out in support of Brexit, saying the UK would be “better off” outside of the European Union and lamenting the consequences of migration in the continent.

    The billionaire, who secured the backing of Republican voters on a staunchly anti-immigration platform, said that his support for the UK leaving the EU was a personal belief and not a “recommendation”.

    “I think the migration has been a horrible thing for Europe,” Trump told Fox News late on Thursday. “A lot of that was pushed by the EU. I would say that they’re better off without it, personally, but I’m not making that as a recommendation. Just my feeling.”

    “I know Great Britain very well,” Trump continued. “I know, you know, the country very well. I have a lot of investments there. I would say that they’re better off without it. But I want them to make their own decision.”

    How much XS credit does Trump get for this?


    Grotesque Body Reply:

    For a while my prediction was that Trump would be cheated by the GOP establishment, who would opt for Ryan or somebody else, permanently destroying the trust of every person who voted for Trump, after which things would get really interesting. Hillary would then be the full-blown top-bottom alliance against the middle candidate, accelerating American decline. If Hillary is still elected, I’ve started to think that she might be sufficiently beholden to wiser politikers who can see this coming that this might not happen.

    I expect that any XS/NRx credit to Trump has to be accompanied by the reminder that democracy itself is Doom.


    grey enlightenment Reply:

    too many overestimated the GOP ‘establishment’, which like OPEC is mostly a paper tiger anyway. The GOP wants their guys in power, they don’t care about culture wars as much as many assume


    John Reply:

    >> I expect that any XS/NRx credit to Trump has to be accompanied by the reminder that democracy itself is Doom.

    If democracy is doom, then what is the off ramp? We the people vote themselves out of democracy? Seems more likely that when the right conditions align, the right guy gets elected, then later declares himself Supreme Leader to throngs of cheering masses. Seems like Trump is the most likely potential off ramp America has seen in a very long time.

    Terrifying, yes.


    Aeroguy Reply:

    Enormous difference between a king and a dictator. The defining trait of demotism, is the claim to legitimacy is based on the will of the people.

    Shlomo Maistre Reply:

    John, you know little of reaction. Joseph de Maistre explains that the will of the people generally tends towards degrees of democracy, while formation of more orderly forms of government depend not – and often arise in spite of – the will of the people.

    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    Texas Capitalist, please send me an email.

    Peter Taylor


    Posted on May 7th, 2016 at 7:02 pm Reply | Quote
  • John Hannon Says:

    Reading that “Really weird” Counterfeit Revival link – especially the bit about the “Holy Ghost Bartender” – inevitably recalls this old classic –



    Posted on May 7th, 2016 at 11:21 pm Reply | Quote
  • Izak Says:

    Not sure that Hunter Hunt-Hendrix is going to have anything to do with any new Great Awakenings. He was a critical darling for a while — mostly because he was trying to intellectualize black metal away from all the scary racism and right-wing politics. Then people realized that he’s basically retarded, and the indie press took to doing what it does best: devouring its own young.

    The second link was pretty good though.


    Erebus Reply:

    Hunter Hunt-Hendrix’s treatise on Black Metal was probably the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. His new article is almost as bad.

    >”1. There are no transcendent laws of any kind, be they social, biological, natural. The cosmos could yield literally anything, and it requires no reason for activating one law versus another. This is for the most part substantiated by our current understanding of the Big Bang as giving rise to many universes with different electromagnetic and gravitational laws (6). Quentin Meillassoux, for his part, has made a strange but also compelling argument that if we rigorously follow through with this reasoning about the contingency of the material world, we arrive at the conclusion that it is logically and physically possible for a messiah to be born who could resurrect the dead and grant eternal life to all humans. (7).

    >2. There is a continuity between the ideal and the real. Mind, society, life, art, and matter are all woven together and follow the same basic contours of creation. Concepts, biological species, organs like the hand or the eye, social structures like banks, nations and scenes, geological structures—these all appear, become, and pass away according to the same principles, and they directly engage with and affect one another. The social energy thresholds at a party—the way it starts off sort of awkwardly, reaches a critical mass of hive mind consciousness, boils over and dissipates—obeys the same abstract principles as the transformation of water from ice to liquid, as well as the evolution of species, chemicals, hormones, intentions in architecture, fashion cycles, electricity, and sound waves. Are join together in assemblages.

    >Since a redeemer-messiah could be born (because of the first principle), and since human art could cause this to happen (because of the second principle), it follows that music could, in principle, yield the birth of this redeemer-messiah. I know this formulation is elliptical, but I hope it is clear.”

    The “first principle” is essentially: “The transcendent does not exist, but in an infinite universe anything we can conceive is possible.” It’s banal. There are children who have deeper thoughts than that.

    The “second principle” is nonsense — nothing more than gibberish — and, even so, I don’t see how that word salad somehow implies that human art can cause a redeemer-messiah to be born.

    But let’s ignore all of that and take his argument at face-value: The scenario he posits is not even worth thinking about. It is utterly pointless.

    Yes, he is retarded.


    John Hannon Reply:

    H H-H’s only notable musical innovation was to replace blastbeats with “burst beats,” which, for all his wordy intellectualizing about them, seem only to diminish the music’s power and drive. Take for instance any burst beat driven Liturgy track and compare it to the mad blasting intensity of something like this –


    No contest. Rhythmic subtlety simply has no place in extreme metal.
    He’d be better off producing breakcore.


    Izak Reply:

    The funny thing is, he wasn’t really doing anything except combining black metal with goofy tech-hardcore stuff, like Dillinger Escape Plan.

    Deathspell Omega did that earlier, and they did it better. Now that I’m thinking about it, Deathspell Omega are more likely to inspire a new “Great Awakening” than Liturgy.


    Posted on May 8th, 2016 at 8:38 am Reply | Quote
  • Harold Says:

    This is right in line with Peter Turchin’s prediction of upheaval.

    It is also right in line with various people’s prediction of our discovering of the genetic architecture of intelligence.


    Posted on May 8th, 2016 at 11:34 am Reply | Quote

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