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Goldman on the Liberal Inquisition:

The fragility of medieval society required the elimination of heretics. […] Today’s Inquisition is energized by a similar sense of fragility. The liberal establishment lives in terror that the people will rise in revolt. Its program has failed. After eight years of the most liberal administration in American history, most Americans believe the economy still is in recession. Labor force participation is at the lowest level since the early 1930s, and real household median income remains almost a tenth below its peak. […] … Even the liberal elite has suffered from liberal hegemony. What has liberal intellectual life accomplished in the past fifty years? The universities train legions of students in deconstructionist literary criticism, ethnic studies, gender studies, postcolonial studies, and similar ideology-driven claptrap. It has created an incomprehensible language in which it can talk to itself but to no one else. And it cannot find jobs for its most committed cadre. […] Liberal intellectual life is a scam, a goof, a fraud, a hoax. There are no reasonable liberals to whom Christians might appeal in the name of fairness and free speech. There are only terrified, beleaguered, fanatical, and embittered liberals, painfully aware of the spreading discontent among the untutored masses. If they were not sure of it before 2016, Donald Trump has made it clear to them. …

July 2, 2016admin 15 Comments »
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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    the liberal establishment lives in terror that the people will rise in revolt.

    I always thought it was the opposite: the lefts want people to revolt against their imagined oppressors, to create upheaval and reset things

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    Chris P. Michael Reply:

    Correct, they want them to revolt against their imagined oppressors, rather than their real ones.

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  • Zimriel Says:

    Goldman doesn’t know the first thing about the Inquisition, which is that it holds authority only over professed Catholics. If a Jew lives in his Jewish quarter and keeps Jewish law, the Church cannot touch him. It never claimed to touch him (although it might suggest policy to the local sovereign).

    Torquemada was all about the search for crypto-Jewish networks among Marranos and Moriscos, the “New Christians” of Spain. He didn’t care about non-Christians except insofar as they were in contact with the New Christians.

    This makes Goldman’s thesis hard to read.

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    admin Reply:

    Doesn’t he say pretty much exactly that in the article?

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    Zimriel Reply:

    Not according to this sentence: “For its part, the Spanish Inquisition eliminated all the Jews, Muslims, and Protestants”. Again it was royal decree that banned Jews and Muslims, not the internal Catholic purges which only dealt with professed Christians.

    Goldman’s whole analogy doesn’t make sense if you accept both witch-hunts and Inquisitions as internal purges. Christians who don’t accept gmarriage – which is to say, Christians – need fear an Inquisition directly only if the Inquisitor comes down from his own church. Otherwise it’s not (directly) their problem.

    Relative to the modern Western state, the Christian is in the same position as a Muslim was to the Spanish king; he may fear the state and state-aligned thugs, and he might worry about the later effects of what the Inquisition is doing to them, but he is not under their jurisdiction.

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    admin Reply:

    The paragraph directly above the section quoted reads:

    There is something to be learned about this from the Albigensian Crusade. The Catholic philosopher Michael Novak observed that St. Thomas Aquinas, whom Novak hailed as the “first Whig,” supported the extermination of the Cathar heretics. It wasn’t that Aquinas wanted to kill everyone who disagreed with him; on the contrary, he expressly forbade the killing of Jews, a common occurrence in the thirteenth century. Unlike the Jews, who practiced their religion in isolation, Christian heretics formed a threat to the social and political order.

    Orthodox Reply:

    This Inquisition is done by the democratic State in the name of Democracy and Equality. Rome was not totalitarian. Progressivism is totalitarian. There will be no quarter.

    michael Reply:

    Kind of like saying harvard and the state dept are not on the same page. Christendom was a good cop bad cop system which supported each other moriscaos and morranos support the authors argument not yours.Though it may be true when not perceived as a threat jews for instance were at times tolerated.You dont see the cathedral persecuting unitarians and quakers anymore.many would argue they are part of the cathedral hell maybe muslims are too.
    The fragile anti fragile question. The author councils attack from enlightenment perspective, enlightenment took out christianity yes but it did it by digesting it, you are what you eat and reason became less reasonable because it chose to keep the good cop bad cop system. Its a tough call getting rid of a religion is tough and leaves a void. nazis and commies went the other way commies had a problem with reality reason even without religion nazis had a problem with the cathedral being more powerful. It may be the nazi race nation meme was bound to put it into opposition or it moved too fast, but it did seem to replace the religious impulse in a way less susceptible to reason attack,muh peeps right or wrong, DENRX thinking it can use christianity like it was the middle ages is madness.Its what the GOP keeps failing at.

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  • Walter Oleg Says:

    Here’s a SWOT analysis for Trump-like power players to use the current situation in the West for a path to power.
    https://watchfulness.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/swot-analysis-for-power-players/

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    michael Reply:

    not all seek power some seek to weaken others power. Boomers reacted to their parents power.most SJWs are uncomfortable with power they seek to eliminate power entirely stupid yeah but only a few of them are seeking power.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    they seek to eliminate power

    It seems to me the Leftist pathology is to seek to eliminate positive power, i.e. demands that people must affirmatively fulfill.

    Instead, it likes negative power, or the ability to reject social norms in favor of individual convenience.

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    admin Reply:

    I don’t know about that. Negative power doesn’t get you to metastasizing welfare socialism.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    The liberal establishment lives in terror that the people will rise in revolt.

    I do not agree with Mr. Goldman here. The liberal establishment lives in terror that the upper middle class, who rely on it as a demonstration of their bourgeois value of salesmanship, will abandon it.

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    michael Reply:

    How many divisions have the upper middle classes? I think the immigration etc is aimed at the lower middle classes who are legion and well armed and not getting a cut of the new world order.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    The faux-elites hope to eliminate the voter base with any kind of consistent culture, so that government is required to rule them, yes. At least, that is my read on it.

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