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SSC awesomeness:

I am pretty sure there was, at one point, such a thing as western civilization. I think it involved things like dancing around maypoles and copying Latin manuscripts. At some point Thor might have been involved. That civilization is dead. It summoned an alien entity from beyond the void which devoured its summoner and is proceeding to eat the rest of the world.

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  • xheimlichkeit Says:

    Linky no worky.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Links are dead.

    google.com/search?q=I+am+pretty+sure+there+was%2C+at+one+point%2C+such+a+thing+as+western+civilization.+I+think+it+involved+things+like+dancing

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    admin Reply:

    Thanks. Punchy after just getting back from NY with a ten-hour flight-delay. Fixed.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Terribly sorry we could not have grabbed a beer, or a goats blood wine, whilst you were here.

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    admin Reply:

    It was completely wall-to-wall. If I’d thought there was going to be any chill time, I’d have reached out to the dark brotherhood.

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  • Kgaard Says:

    The SSC piece is very good. Lots to chew on. I have to say that I am very tired of Caplan. He is annoying. Recently I’ve taken some potshots at him in the comments section of his site. Don’t know when, exactly, he got so annoying (I’ve been aware of his existence for a while) but he definitely is now. His inner globalist is bursting through.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    > muh annoying

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    I don’t need need to read him..everyone seems to quote him constantly

    perhaps he comes across as smug

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Arian Machinechrist is some of the only “outside” this blog has had in a long time.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Outside in.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Still, better to write a The Dark Enlightenment a la Land than quasi-shitpost up his blog.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    People that write tracts.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Are not from the Laconic regime.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Aristotle vs. Leonidas

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Nonsense. It summoned a mundane failing of all humanity and gave into it. No mystery involved. Hubris — evil — is always with us.

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    Garr Reply:

    But you’re a “nihilist” — what can this word “evil” mean to you? Stuff you don’t like? (My attitude isn’t hostile; I’m genuinely curious as to how you can on the one hand reject “absolutes” and on the other hand frequently recommend some sort of “transcendence” and use words such as “excellence” and “beauty” without embarrassment.)

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    Garr Reply:

    Oh — I just went back and saw that you’d finally addressed this question (I always assume that when you’ve posted five essays after the one I’ve asked you about in the comments page you’re done with those comments); you say that you “love reality” and equate “truth” (=reality?) with “goodness” and “beauty”. Fine; I like that. But then why do you call yourself a “nihilist”? You agree with Plato and Iris Murdoch, and I suppose that the “transcendence” you’re looking for consists in our getting beyond (“transcending”) our false images of things so that we can reach this Reality. Great. So no more Nietzsche and Black Metal?

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    There are two types of Nihilism, at least, and the latter is active.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    There is a SPECTRE haunting Youranus — it is the specter of Post-Modernism.

    Garr Reply:

    Arian etc, there is a boot stomping Yourface forever — the boot of intellectual clarity. It stomps YOUR face, not mine, because it is you who prefer lying supine in the mud of Continental gibberish.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    if we first assume a certain threshold of cognitive ability for said monkeys yeah thats why

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Garr (Cryptocuck) — there is a boot stomping your ass forever, the booty of superior I.

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  • Piglet Says:

    You left out of the skin-wearing thing. That’s the best part.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Borderer people are modeling this season’s hottest Puritan skins…

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    They are. Wolf skins.

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  • Erebus Says:

    That has to be the most self-evidently stupid essay that Scott Alexander has ever written.

    Only an American Jew could write that there’s “no such thing” as Western culture, or that it’s dead.

    I’m not going to bother with it further. This is what Schopenhauer would call “intellectual poison.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Westerner gets triggered.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    yeah … we schould kill ourselves because we are racists.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are trans-westerners and westerkin real westerners?

    SVErshov Reply:

    that question never crossed my mind, honestly.

    everybody can be sceptical, sometimes just to make fun of others. but in case of seriouse question , that can boil down to what Carl Sagan call difference between scientists and politicians in THE BURDEN OF SKEPTICISM

    “Some ideas are better than others. The machinery for distinguishing them is an essential tool in dealing with the world and especially in dealing with the future. And it is precisely the mix of these two modes of thought that is central to the success of science.
    Really good scientists do both. On their own, talking to themselves, they churn up huge numbers of new ideas and criticize them ruthlessly. Most of the ideas never make it to the outside world. Only the ideas that pass through rigorous self-filtration make it out and are criticized by the rest of the scientific community. It sometimes happens that ideas that are accepted by everybody turn out to be wrong, or at least partially wrong, or at least superseded by ideas of greater generality. And, while there are of course some personal losses — emotional bonds to the idea that you yourself played a role inventing — nevertheless the collective ethic is that every time such an idea is overthrown and replaced by something better the enterprise of science has benefited. In science it often happens that scientists say, “You know that’s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,” and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn’t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. 1 cannot recall the last time something like that has happened in politics or religion. It’s very rare that a senator, say, replies, “That’s a good argument. I will now change by political affiliation.”

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Don´t.

    Garr Reply:

    Schopenhauer would agree with Alexander’s basic point (that the West summoned what has now assimilated it); he’d probably just disagree with Alexander’s not-unqualified fondness for the demon that the West summoned. Have you actually read Schopenhauer, or do you just pick up slogans that turn you on wherever you find them? Alexander LIKES Western culture, and sympathizes with its vestigial representatives, who are mocked as “cucks” both by the deracinated (yes) ruffians of the alt-right (who would have been thoroughly scoured from the Shire that was the West) and as “gun-toting Bible-clingers” (or whatever) by the Orcs of the Left; the alt-right and BLM are natural allies — in fact, I expect that in the coming decades about half of the people who now pluck quotes from Schopenhauer will have converted to Islam … because they love the “West” so much.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    > muh

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    Aristocles Invictvs Reply:

    >muh horseshoe theory of politics, the far left and the alt-right are the same :DDDD

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    It could be said that both were birthed in the French révolution.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Was there a ‘Left’ in Rome? only proles.

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Schophenhauer was a pessimist.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Westerkinlosun.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    I suppose the value of reading opposing or tangential views is that they can help us strengthen our own views. Scott’s articles are well-written and cover topics that the mainstream media ignores

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Right.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    What is dead may never die.

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    Jesse M. Reply:

    If you disagree with Scott’s argument, consider a thought-experiment in which we imagine an alternate history that diverges from ours in the distant past, before any modern cultures have really formed–say, 10,000 years ago. Say in this alternate world, one of the various cultures that arises eventually ends up going through an industrial revolution, scientific revolution, and transition to a market economy, but beyond whatever preconditions are needed for that, it may have very little in common with Western culture. The question is, what types of broad aspects of the modern “universal” culture that Scott posits do you think would not be very likely to develop in this alternate history?

    Here’s what I said about this thought-experiment in the comments on Scott’s post:

    … to really get a “universalist” culture that parallels our own despite its different origins I think you have to imagine some other culture having a full scientific revolution and developing similar ideas about a material universe governed by mathematical laws, since I think a culture that manages to do that will likely also be one where there’s a significant contingent of intellectuals questioning previous traditional beliefs and trying to come up with a new rationalistic foundation for philosophical thought along with science. Probably such thinkers would tend to come up with ideas like humans-as-material-systems, some form of consequentialist morality, etc. (and of course assuming this culture also has a Darwin, the intellectuals of this culture will probably do a lot of serious reckoning with the philosophical implications of that as well). And I would also imagine that the new interest in rational reevaluation of tradition would be coupled to more attempts to understand their own history in objective terms, less in terms of grand spiritual destinies or cycles, and not necessarily trusting founding myths even if they had been central to the culture’s conception of itself, along with more interest in comparative studies of other cultures that don’t just denigrate them or view them as barbarians.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    You really didn´t need so many words to state your assumption.

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    Erebus Reply:

    The answer to your thought experiment seems obvious: Anything that you haven’t granted, and that is not rooted in biology, is beyond conjecture.

    The SSC essay makes examples of medicine, food/drink, and gender politics.

    -Our alternate history culture would develop medicine similar to our own. This is because chemical space is incomprehensibly vast, and natural products derived from plants, bacteria, molds, etc. have always guided the efforts of medicinal chemists. They still do; a promising antibiotic peptide produced by staphylococcus lugdunensis (lugdunin) was in the news just earlier today.

    -Our alternate history culture would enjoy energy-dense food and drinks. This could be Coca-Cola and Burger King, but, of course, could be something completely different. Taste is not universal; the Romans were extremely fond of fermented fish paste; Nordsee is very popular in Germany, but would never catch on in the USA. The only universals are that humans and other animals tend to enjoy calorie-dense foods, and tend to eat more than is good for them when they’re able to eat to their heart’s content.

    -It is impossible to state with any degree of confidence what this alternate history culture’s gender norms would be. Market economies are certainly not incompatible with autocracy and patriarchy. Scott’s assertions on this point are laughable and objectively invalid. (One could even note that autocracy and patriarchy have been, historically, much more common than egalitarian gender norms over the past 10,000 years. So, on balance, it may be that our alternate history culture has a reduced chance of exhibiting egalitarian gender norms.)

    -We cannot say for certain whether the culture would be a secular one, but we can suppose that it would also exhibit a dual conception of the world — one where the scientific revolution fractured a previously unified worldview — with some degree of conflict between science and religion. Jan Patočka has written about this at length. The modern “dual world” is likely a universal feature of scientific revolutions.

    The SSC essay was one part Moldbug’s “Massachusetts conquered the world in 1945,” one part lazy and childish rhetoric (“summoned alien entities which consumed the world!”), one part nonsense and falsehoods.

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  • michael Says:

    so hes saying that if a trillion trillion monkeys had enough test tubes they would eventually invent penicillin and diet coke? Or do i really have to read all of it cause its off to a bad start monkeys aint never going to invent nothin nevr

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Michael´s Monkey Business Ltd.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Aw Michael the people hate it, they downvotin´

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    michael Reply:

    Im all about the monkeys all the way down its monkeys. Unlike our host to me the foundation of the new right is HBD IS FACT and that is mother fuckin monkey business deal with it. But we can excuse our host because hes english and english science teaches only the irish descend from monkeys while the english are water babies or some shit.
    but me loves me some Strewel Peter

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    How about Delezuean Raciology rather than primitive zoology?

    wu-wei Reply:

    Scott is differentiating between random memetic drift (Thor) versus convergent evolution (Coca Cola).

    So if a trillion trillion monkeys had enough test tubes, eventually, they would ALL, independently, develop sugar-water and penicillin (at least, if we first assume a certain threshold of cognitive ability for said monkeys…). It’s not the million-monkeys-on-a-typewriter effect; rather, it’s the opposite. It’s not random noise; it’s natural selection.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Creation.

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    michael Reply:

    if we first assume a certain threshold of cognitive ability for said monkeys yeah thats why i stopped reading because duh niggers are ever inventing nothing

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    John Hannon Reply:

    nuthin’ but the Blues –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTONBjpj3-Y

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    I´m blue daba dee daba da daba dee daba daba deedabada

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    michael Reply:

    you think niggers invented the blues huh?do they have guitars in west africa? english scottish irish folk music is the framework yes they contributed much riffing on it but a lot less than is thought

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  • michael Says:

    My commie neighbors defended open borders to western countries by denying their was such a thing as western civilization. Its actually an intriguing question but so fraught hard to address. I think what the left is saying is leftism has replaced west civ and is all smoke and mirrors which is true in a way. and while its true some of the heavy hitters of west civ are less known today they are hardly dead or dying but whats ignored is that theres a hundred times a hundred more to west civ than Spenser

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    global civilization

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    michael Reply:

    yes but global civilization leftist civilization is not western civilization i will live in vienna in 1900 any day over seattle today

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  • Tom Says:

    I was going to say it’s high past time Scott nutted up and just accepted that Moldbug was right, and then I saw this in the comments:

    //Moldbug demonstrates at length with lots of historical evidence that the modern progressive perspective isn’t universal and is only “universal” because of military force which on the side of progressivism due to historical accident (progressives gaining control over a massive continent protected by two oceans). Scott either doesn’t see or pretends not to see the amount of coercion necessary to keep people acting like good progressives and how this force is only able to be brought to bear because (as someone else pointed out in a comment earlier) Massachusetts conquered the world in 1945.// -Anon

    Which seems pretty accurate.

    How much longer can Scott keep the NRx beast at bay in his own mind? Surely he must have considered that ‘universal culture’, wherever it spreads, makes birthrates plummet, while those who are better at resisting it continue to breed prodigiously.

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    michael Reply:

    you know what gets me is Massachusetts still hadnt conquered the lower east side of nyc by the 80s and has yet to invade idaho so its not like these idiots are not aware they are thugs they just dont want to admit it

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    { you know what gets me }

    WARNING: WE HAVE A WHITE FRUSTRATED MALE IN THE AREA

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    michael Reply:

    well yeah thats kind of the point sport

    michael Reply:

    I guess your one of the revenge of the nerds reactionaries

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    How do you imagine this Race War™ will happen? If you could delineate that in a few most significant steps.

    michael Reply:

    I dont have much hope this race war will happen but it is thousands of times more likely than Davos calling up Nick Land,America electing a king.AI taking over,the states succeeding and deeding all propertyy to elon musk and co. Whats more is if race distribution were again normalized we know pretty well what the outcome would be and it works where these other progressive ideas will have the usual progressive unintended consequences accompanied by more progressive ideas as solutions. What fucking difference does it make if nick land runs the world for the benefit of his elites as opposed to George Soros and Clinton for their pals?

    Tom Reply:

    //its not like these idiots are not aware they are thugs//

    Which idiots are you talking about?

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    michael Reply:

    progressives.

    Steve Johnson Reply:

    That wouldn’t have come from an anonymous if the author wasn’t banned for rattling the chains in Scott’s head.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    ban the trolls.

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    Contaminated NEET Reply:

    N-notice me Scott-kun!

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    A commenteur d´réssentiménte.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    There are no accidents in history.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    he doesn’t need to go ‘full NRx’..just talking about NRx themes is good enough

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    What is full NRx?

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Black Capitalism?

    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Universal Cult must re-vitalize if it´s to survive.

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  • Uncle Saturday Says:

    “When God put man in a garden
    He girt him with a sword,
    And sent him forth a free knight
    That might betray his lord;

    “He brake Him and betrayed Him,
    And fast and far he fell,
    Till you and I may stretch our necks
    And burn our beards in hell.

    “But though I lie on the floor of the world,
    With the seven sins for rods,
    I would rather fall with Adam
    Than rise with all your gods.

    “What have the strong gods given?
    Where have the glad gods led?
    When Guthrum sits on a hero’s throne
    And asks if he is dead?

    “Sirs, I am but a nameless man,
    A rhymester without home,
    Yet since I come of the Wessex clay
    And carry the cross of Rome,

    “I will even answer the mighty earl
    That asked of Wessex men
    Why they be meek and monkish folk,
    And bow to the White Lord’s broken yoke;
    What sign have we save blood and smoke? Here is my answer then.

    “That on you is fallen the shadow,
    And not upon the Name;
    That though we scatter and though we fly,
    And you hang over us like the sky,
    You are more tired of victory,
    Than we are tired of shame.

    “That though you hunt the Christian man
    Like a hare on the hill-side,
    The hare has still more heart to run
    Than you have heart to ride.

    “That though all lances split on you,
    All swords be heaved in vain,
    We have more lust again to lose
    Than you to win again.

    “Your lord sits high in the saddle,
    A broken-hearted king,
    But our king Alfred, lost from fame,
    Fallen among foes or bonds of shame,
    In I know not what mean trade or name,
    Has still some song to sing;

    “Our monks go robed in rain and snow,
    But the heart of flame therein,
    But you go clothed in feasts and flames,
    When all is ice within;

    “Nor shall all iron dooms make dumb
    Men wondering ceaselessly,
    If it be not better to fast for joy
    Than feast for misery.

    “Nor monkish order only
    Slides down, as field to fen,
    All things achieved and chosen pass,
    As the White Horse fades in the grass,
    No work of Christian men.

    “Ere the sad gods that made your gods
    Saw their sad sunrise pass,
    The White Horse of the White Horse Vale,
    That you have left to darken and fail,
    Was cut out of the grass.

    “Therefore your end is on you,
    Is on you and your kings,
    Not for a fire in Ely fen,
    Not that your gods are nine or ten,
    But because it is only Christian men
    Guard even heathen things.

    “For our God hath blessed creation,
    Calling it good. I know
    What spirit with whom you blindly band
    Hath blessed destruction with his hand;
    Yet by God’s death the stars shall stand
    And the small apples grow.”

    And the King, with harp on shoulder,
    Stood up and ceased his song;
    And the owls moaned from the mighty trees, And the Danes laughed loud and long.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Good.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Touching.

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  • Chris P. Michael Says:

    Even for the most staunch traditionalist this is hard to deny. I’d call it a sad occurance but I try not to place value judgements on things out of my control.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Judge all, ye must.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    “dancing around maypoles … that civilization is dead” 

    that explains everything! civilisation is dead, it danced itself to death.
    and truth is that nobody ever danced like girls from Strasbourg, dancing to the death literally.

    Dancing Plague
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    that axplains nothing

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  • cyborg_nomade Says:

    all hail the basilisk

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    hail

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  • Marco Says:

    Cool, it was a kind of “Universalism: postwar progressivism as a Christian sect”, but tailored for a librul audience.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    tailor and it will fit

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  • John Says:

    A glaring mistake Scott makes is lumping all things universalist into the “demonstrably superior universal culture” when really only the things that have been rapidly adopted every place they’ve touched are proven to be demonstrably superior. By this measure, Coca Cola and modern automobiles are far superior to homosexual tolerance and transsexual bathroom rights.

    By Scott’s own definitions, homophilia and it’s correlates shouldn’t belong to universal culture because it takes a massive energy input to force its adoption in most places. They should be considered an idiosyncratic cultural tradition originated at Harvard. It just so happened through an accident of history that this Harvard culture managed to gain control of the resources generated by the truly “superior culture” and rode that rocket ship to world domination.

    Although reflecting more, I also think there is a feedback dynamic at play, where the least adopted aspects of universalist culture must be foisted on non-conforming societies because they generate the ideal fodder that must be consumed to produce the desirable aspects. So perhaps if you want Coca Cola, Hollywood movies, and western medicine, eventually the bill comes due and the demon extracts its pound of flesh in the form of universalist degeneracy and the obliteration of tradition.

    It seems the Northern European peoples have proven the ideal substrate for universal culture while in Africa, for example, it just doesn’t take. So the demon hollows out those lands and extracts all resources back to itself. Are those now Africans happier for having Coca Cola and NGO gibs? Is anyone actually happier or spiritually better off for trading all connection to the past for the wonders of the modern world?

    And what do we make of ourselves? People raise in the belly of the universalist beast in active rebellion against it?

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    abstractions gonna abstract.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Would not be so sure that the emergence of Coca Cola past war, & queer rights, are not ipsius radix, somewhat, cognomergent.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Mount the beast.

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  • dale rooster Says:

    “Given half a chance, it survives, spreads, and conquers. Peacefully.”

    -I am not sure Moldbug would agree here. Progress (universal culture) has spread through war and destruction.

    “So these groups have all managed to maintain strong cultures while being vastly outnumbered by people who are different from them.”

    Through the Cathedral’s propaganda. The real culture is not stronger than the numbers.

    “I think it makes more sense when we realize that Tibet is competing not against Western culture, but against universal culture.”

    This is the tricky part. What is Western and what is Universal (Progressive) Culture? He wants to say Prog culture is capitalism but he sounds like an advocate for global Social Democracy writing for The Economist.

    “Because universal culture is better at dealing with multicultural societies, the more immigrants there are, the more likely everyone will just default to universal culture in public spaces. And eventually the public space will creep further and further until universal culture becomes the norm.”

    It’s not working. The religion of Progress does not tolerate dissent. The public space peer pressures people into accepting Prog culture, but lots of people are upset by this now. Hence Trump.

    “If you don’t understand the difference between western culture and universal culture…”

    Progs adopted and adapted to a a very regulated, very controlled form of capitalism after the Soviets fell. They control the Universal culture through the Cathedral. Hence, multicultural liberal democratic “capitalism” is a universal moral duty and right that you must embrace and reinforce or you’re the new Hitler.

    “On the one hand, universal culture is objectively better….its political systems are (necessarily) freer”

    Dear god.

    “Mostly the confusion makes me want to err on the side of allowing people to go either direction as they see fit, barring atrocities. Which are of course hard to define.”

    The Cathedral defines and decides on all atrocities. Never let a crisis go to waste. This is and has been a big problem for quite some time. He can’t even define what an atrocity is. The Cathedral will for him.

    Western Culture is probably dead, though. I think it could be resurrected through patchwork capitalism after the fall of the Union. I hope. (Patchwork Western Civ would allow for tons of multiculturalism and diversity without Universal Culture mandating that everyone must love and adopt multiculturalism and diversity.)

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Rome spread its universalism through join us or die.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    > muh

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Never let a crime go to waste

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  • michael Says:

    Has it occurred to anyone that Universal Culture is an oxymoron.Or that cultures that turn out tend to die

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    It´s not . consider ecology. were you to attempt to study, a.m.a.p., as wide an ecosystem as you could conceive of, woudln´t that be an universalite endeavor

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    universal cul.

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    michael Reply:

    cul de sac

    michael Reply:

    not sure what you mean but i meant cult ture comes from religion a means of binding together universalism or movements that seek to turn a people out and pull others in is the opposite. and it never works in fact thats the basis of neo reaction that culture is part of evolution and neither fungible nor transferable so cultures that attempt to cross biological barriers are doomed and as goes a culture so goes its people

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  • Apatheos Says:

    Western Civ is a useful topic for post-subcultural theory. A dialogue around it as hyperstitional could be beneficial for its general conception.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Wise.

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  • wu-wei Says:

    Scott sums up the virtues of Universalism perfectly:

    “On the one hand, universal culture is objectively better. Its science is more correct, its economy will grow faster, its soft drinks are more refreshing, its political systems are (necessarily) freer, and it is (in a certain specific sense) what everybody would select if given a free choice.”

    Its science is more correct

    Ultimately true – but outside of physics, engineering, and medicine, our “universal” “science” is as dismal as any other – and probably at least as morbid to civilization.

    its economy will grow faster

    Debatable, even if we first pretend to nail down exactly what this even means (gdp growth?).

    its soft drinks are more refreshing

    And also a major cause of obesity and diabetes.

    its political systems are (necessarily) freer

    There’s that demotic telos again, implicitly supposing that “political freedom” and good government are tautological.

    and it is (in a certain specific sense) what everybody would select if given a free choice.

    “in a certain specific sense”, indeed.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    the ecco-nomy
    is the hmn
    bodies

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    michael Reply:

    how is it that universal culture gets credit for the science and other developments that western civilization invented, If anything western civilization should get negative credit for universal culture as a failed experiment but of course is universalism of western civilization or not or to what degree? does trying more democratic means of government over monarchy constitute universalism or simply euro mans historical predilections applied problems they were facing as communications and commerce were impacting the old system? is abolishing serfdom slavery etc really utopianism or just common sense [put aside marxism or what came after they were dealing with a problem that needing solving]

    Yes sure protestantism and parliamentary govt were a break in a major way from an authoritarian system but it was a patchwork of sorts it was responding to the strain of rapid innovation against slow to move kings.This myth that kings pretty much let you do what you wanted as long as it wasn’t seditious is bullshit you needed a charter to wipe your ass.And it quickly becomes a game for only court favorites hardly efficient, but made worse when you make aristocratic blood a prerequisite.Look what happens in america when the controls are completely off.

    If niggers had been repatriated its likely progressivism would never have goten a foothold in the US and would have its success made such mockery of socialism in europe that it too would have died off

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  • Mariani Says:

    Never though I’d see Scott construct his own motte-and-bailey argument

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    Mariani Reply:

    Is the West maypoles and Latin manuscripts? Because that’s not how most people define it, and it’s also a relatively indefensible definition.

    The West is real because these kinds of ideas arereal as long as people behave as though they are. We can look at people’s revealed preferences for an accurate look into their heads. People in Europe are increasing anxiety over “non-Western” immigrants, and they aren’t referring to Canadians or Australians or even Ukrainians. If people from these three parts of the world live as though they have something in common, then they do.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Right. Altho it is (among other things) may-pole dances & Latinae manu-scripts.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Latin pole dance

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    @‘Nihilism’ itself is somewhat a fad, a nihil. It means extreme passivism. Devaluation of values is never absolute. Nihilistic Video Gamers still love their games. They value.

    Active nihilism is basically just Zen without the mumbo.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Right.

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    huge earnings from Facebook..gnon wins again

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    There are better systems than faceberg.

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    Xoth Reply:

    Well, there’s Mr Right and Mr Right Now.

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  • Aristocles Invictvs Says:

    My comment on the article:

    I think you are conflating the universalizability (Kantian term) of Western technological achievements and pop culture with what I would term, provisionally, “Deep Western Culture”. In other words, what is universalizable are the effects of that the “Deep Western Culture”, or DWC, produces, but not the culture itself. Also to suggest that, “The West has no culture” is simply patently absurd, and only useful as a provocative assertion. Only a “rootless Cosmopolitan”, with no visceral connection to anything Western except it’s superficial emanations, could purport that unironically.

    Making the, as Moldbug demonstrated, ridiculous claim that “gender egalitarianism” and other such pet projects of progressivism, which is certainly a branch of DWC, are synonymous with technical/functional achievements of DWC is erroneous. The fact that much force, or the threat of force, had to be used for these to be ostensibly accepted by non-Western countries should be evidence enough. Also not to mention the inordinate amounts of ideological enforcement and pseudo-disciplines needed to actively reinforce the malignant chimera of “Western progressive values”, should show amply that it is not universally preferable.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    The Pseudo-Western Egalitarian system by now rejects its own citizens.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    or rather, the pseudo-egalitarian ‘western’ system, by now, rejects its own citizens.

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  • Xoth Says:

    The maypole dancer summoned a demon who now wears the maypole dancer’s skin. This demon after some time of revelry summoned a second demon, who now wears the skin of Science.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Science

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  • illegal Says:

    I think the Pure Racial Question is looming over things more and more. I mean, is there really any even theory of race in philosophy? We had Deleuze’s sort of structuralization of difference and repetition, in generality. I still think that race in and of itself is this question, this problem, this area… which needs to be given serious thought. We all know the movements and stuff that already answer the question… yet there is this whole field of potential there for more radical and deep theorizing on a philosophical basis.

    I’m not satisfied with the analysis here that leaves out questions of genetics. What is race other than genetics? HBD is a field of science, yet the philosophical and conceptual side of how we find ourselves in that data, is left out. We need that, period. Without a new concept for race, we have no concept for how to think about it within the theories and ways neoreaction and life in general points toward.

    For instance, there is no question that “RACE” exists in terms of genetics. I’m not interested in any kind of deep analysis of genes. I personally think on the side here, the main focus has to be how we think about… division, and what it means to be “Of” a genetic identity, “Of” a mixed identity, the role these identities have to play in various contexts (1. MULTICULTURALISM, 2. MONOCULTURE (SELF), 3. MONOCULTURE (OTHER)). These are the theoretical pivot points, for instance, which will shape reality. As of right now the very idea of even entertaining MONOCULTURE is so far outside of the norm that even considering it seems radical. This is the potential for a new theory.

    It seems self evident to me that MONOCULTURE is something which should exist, that is MONOGENETIC. Unfortunately a very bad kind of science can trickle into this, and it should be of the utmost importance to avoid such pitfalls. It seems clear that monogenetic societies all exist on a spectrum, or sliding scale. The “ARYAN” ideal exists as a sort of extreme to one end. I am not versed in the science of HBD and so, I merely another pleb suggesting ideas for other people to do.

    The writer suggests a very radical idea of capitalism which will have results leading to unknown situations. I am very skeptical of this particular analysis. I am a cracker, and thus I must say that I have seen the results of unchecked multigenetic incorporation into the white monogenetic society, and its subtle effects. The most important pivot for analysis regards the Indian and Asian monogenetic societies which tend to bring a huge amount of high level immigration – more well put, incorporation – into the open 50% white monocultures. If you follow the way I am thinking about this.

    What I am trying to say is that now we have a concept to use to analyze any given monogenetic culture or society and analyze the effects various chemical admixtures have on it. Some will say this is evil or whatever, I’m merely suggesting the ability to observe, analyze, and theorize 100% for the sake of doing so. That is the nature of free thinking. These are tools that should be put to use more, monoculture/monogenetic, and the notion of a sliding scale with varying elements of change (multivariance: the amount of diversity in any given spectrum, and its pointers).

    Genes refer to race, and gene-culture to the culture heavily influenced by genes/race, and culture by the things most far removed from race or genetic influence. Culture then is simply universal, as said in SSCodex article. Yet there is this middle point: gene-culture. To what extent do genes influence culture? An obvious, maybe even irritatingly trite point, yet one which has been avoided for many many years. A tensely guarded secret.

    These are mere tools for thinking, analyzing, and coming up with creative ideas for the future. Also for dealing with reality. Yet at the same time, one must remember not to ever allow ideas to become… I don’t know, bad or something.

    These are going to be the pivot points which define the next few years. If they are understood and well thought, they will lead to positive creations. If they are not, negative creations will take place.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    race is about adaptiveness.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    The best racial theorist is Agrippa @ Skadi Forum.

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    michael Reply:

    start with eo wilson

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    he´s a cuck

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Racial Science is its own discipline. The most important.

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  • Barnabas Says:

    Most of the objections to Alexander’s piece don’t allow for the fact that there is a process at work. Even Coca Cola had to win the soda wars. Yes universalist culture won WWII but it also won a lot of countries over with little more than consumerism, most evidently Eastern Europe. It seeps into the most remote tribes of the Amazon where the American deep state has no strategic interest. There are some gaps to fill such as how the system will assimilate the African population explosion, perhaps with new birth control technology. The essay is tough to refute.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    alchemy is played on the masses. coca loca

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    michael Reply:

    assimilate the african population explosion with ebola thats how

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Yes, the New World Order did win. It´s ‘all’ documented as well. How the CIA used (cooperated with) Coca-Cola.

    They got AIDS infectin’ the globe, laser weapons and clones
    Conquerors, presidents, death, artificial intelligence
    Frozen organs, post mortem, Alien Malachi York
    And Five Percenters, drug trials forever
    Get your mind together
    Who decides truth? guys in ties and suits?
    Violent coups, or private schools?
    Keep-out rules are taught, duels are fought, using thoughts like swords
    Pay for groceries with the DNA codes in your vocal cords
    The order of the world has already been bought

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  • ErisGuy Says:

    “its political systems are (necessarily) freer”

    Which is why the most progressive areas of the world, Canada, the EU, American college campuses respect the right to bear arms; would never force someone to repudiate their religion or engage in vile parodies of their religious rituals; would never prosecute anyone for expressing any opinion in speech, on paper, or on Internet; would never force any organization to admit to its membership someone the organization rejects; and would certainly never establish governmental or official organs to determine if anyone had violated state morality.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    I’m not just a trapper, I’m an artist, I pound the hardest
    Bars tha shot the globe to make the dope sound retarded
    The guards get involved with some of the harshest mosh pits
    Non fiction’s back bitch, roll out the red carpet

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    Damn the comments @ SSC are boring. It´s like they have no ‘central view.’

    Like discussing how Coca-Cola got invented and popular.

    That´s possibly one of the most document’d

    things in the world. Pathetic.

    It´s Wikipedia-tier.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    democtic voices

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    When I’m dungeon-trappin’ it’s like an autopsy
    Or some more to ya or dasity or an orgasm
    From dying on crosses to spying more ships
    The future is present, peasant
    Wake up or stay lying with corpses

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    Had the time of his life, a capitalist with a communist wife
    Started to fight and did to cats what God did to Christ
    Hardly the type to give garbage advice, he was larger than life
    He’d penetrate the roof of your car with a spike
    Trained by an insane ex-marine
    CIA trained a renegade assassin android
    Passport pilot to black helicopter choppers over Bosnia
    Sniffed so much coke nose was fucked up and bled a lot
    For all y’all bystanders baggy ass jeans to hide ya banga wranglers
    Thugged the fuck out hang with bash-in-ya-face-gat-gangsta governments
    These other kids is like the drunken bitch

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    The life taker, followers fly planes into skyscrapers
    Send you a disease through the mail wrapped inside paper
    The gospel preacher, the hostile teacher
    The face of God with an impostor’s features
    This is the prophecy — the cult leader

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEscHqWpjq8

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    got it wrong, perhaps he did. Technique is the most religious power ever e-merged.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    It rarely happens so far but occasionally the cops or equivalent show up or call on the parents of people like the above Arian Machinechrist….

    And they’re totally sniveling bitches. Sometimes the police are kind and let their fathers if present thrash them.

    Sometimes not.

    Just kids following edgy trends around at a safe distance. He apparently thinks nigger level rhyming is clever.

    As to the race war it’s being started by J school kids a little more motivated than you, who can get through J-School. At least they’ve committed to something.

    Moldbug attracts his like. What he’s actually done is Oedipal, not transcendent. Self loathing cliche.

    Mike don’t bother answering such trolls except once, as I have done here. Remember if he ever sees our like never mind a raging coon he’s going to pee himself and crawl crying all over the floor. Don’t bother mike. Useless even as floor mop.

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    Arian´s apo-logia Reply:

    Nah, been calm cool with polizei.

    Except when the German prison police tortured me; but I did enjoy that.

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  • Apotheotic Monkey Business Ltd. Says:

    Who else is gonna defend «Race War» but you and Mike?

    I might as well defend it too, Hitler´s active racial Nihilism.

    So, a historically real Race War was World War 2, OK.

    One might presume that other wars are also RWs.

    That they are unconscious race wars. E.g.

    what is an Ethnic conflict but a subwar

    of the larger global race war, of th’

    southern races vs. the northern?

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    @
    >muh 3rd grade intellectuality, domesticated

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  • Mercer Says:

    Power pushes its favored memes for as far as it can extend. You don`t need to suppose a “universal culture“. Particular cultures do the trick just fine.

    Scott is desperate to believe in his preferred Elder God

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    There is no particular without the universal. “Lest the particular be(come) the universal”, but then why two concepts?

    Just because you cannot model (or believe in) a universal culture doesn´t mean it´s not there.

    A universal culture would be the synthesis of all the particular ones, even past ones, ascending or descending in influence.

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  • Arian Machinechrist Says:

    There´s one thing I am not and that is self-loathing. I assume that was inspired by the ‘loser’ self-designation commented earlier. What do you call someone who loses a baseball match? A loser, for the moment. What´s an ‘absolute loser’? Well, you´d have to lose everything that it´s possible to lose. But then it depends on how much you claim or identify with. Is an aborted baby a loser? Is an aborted crack baby a loser? Is EMINEM a loser? What did he lose? The traditionalist lifestyle?

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlmezywdxPImuh white “race”

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    4K Reply:

    Dude! What happened? Contrition lasted for all of a few hours, huh? Don’t let the bastards grind you down, that’s what I say.

    But yeah, Eminem is a loser. Vanilla Ice for the never jilted generation.

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    Arian Machinechrist Reply:

    “… stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin …” rgveda IX.73

    “Finding nothing in the present except deteriorated hints of other things, reaction soon slides into what it most detests: an impotent micro-culture of vocal, repetitive protest. This isn’t right, this isn’t right, this isn’t right quickly becomes white noise, or worse (intelligible whining). Even when it escapes the ceaseless, mechanical reiteration of a critical diagnosis (whose tedium is commensurate to the narrowed times it damns), its schemes of restoration fall prey to a more extended repetition, which calls only — and uselessly — for what has been to be once more.” N.L. xx13.

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