Quote note (#281)

Amerika:

The grim fact is that evolution is not binary. It happens in degrees, like shades of a color on a detailed painting. Some rise above, and the rest remain in the middle, in varying degrees. Humanity has not risen above its ape ancestors, only some have, and the rest remain “talking monkeys with car keys.” […] We see this daily. …

XS has just one substantial disagreement with the place this post goes, as distilled here:
“… there is a 1% of mental ability, moral integrity and character who should rule the rest of us, because our judgment is poor.” No. The rare exceptions are too precious to be squandered on social zoo-keeping.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    That’s a good point. My idea of “rule” is hybridized with my general approach to life, which is minimalism with laziness (few hours of work a day, per Nietzsche’s maxim, a man who does not have two-thirds of his time to himself is a slave). Lovely to see Amerika in a quote note!

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    Henk Reply:

    Looks like you managed to lift into the genomic realm the progressive pastime of tearing down Chesterton’s fences: dissing cultural traditions because they’re old, time-tested, and not understood by progressives.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    On the contrary, it seems to me that idealizing competence — versus equality — is the essence of tradition.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    What should they be squandered on?

    Neo-Liberal Grinder capitalist mills like Shanghai?

    Next Gen Davosie?

    Besides their natural impulse and indeed ultimately their interests will drive them to rule. See Trump.
    See all of human history.

    Now in fairness you openly want to move beyond humanity – and it’s a good guess that’s what you want to expend this human resource on. Problem is they are unlikely to want that nor is it good for the rest of us even if possible.

    Maybe you can get Thiel to download himself but if it requires the necessary physical next steps you think he’ll go for it?

    For me to believe he would I’d have to get threatening Basilisk emails from PayPal. Then I’d believe it.

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    oh_really Reply:

    How about squandering themselves on Steve Hsu projects, for editing our way from 1% to 2%?

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    admin Reply:

    Indeed, yes.

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    michael Reply:

    well at least he finally came out

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    michael Reply:

    What gets me is why such smart guys dont get they are messing with shit they know nothing about.thinking you can take the top 1% and exit, practical absurdities aside its just begging Gnon to put a Zeus sized sandal up their hubristic arses. At the risk of sounding like some Gaia hippy, populations really are a holistic organism in a certain respect messing with the balance is about as insane as the plan they have to pull this off by volunteering for Hsus ebay genetic profiles.And thats not even getting into the software the social biology. oh but they will do it and it will work out like last centuries project by them

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    frank Reply:

    If it’s carried out as a state program, it will unleash unimaginable terror. If it’s A/B tested privately in isolated gene pools, it’ll work out fine overall — but not for all.

    I hope the Chinese have learnt from their last grand government project. If they’re ruthless enough, they’ll first try CRISPR in Africa — by which time there hopefully won’t be a global theocracy to shut it down.

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  • woods Says:

    I’ll be fine with the .96-.99 rulership.
    The 1.0 can go and figure out interstellar travel.

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    Orthodox Reply:

    The Buckley Standard. No government should be so powerful or so complex that you wouldn’t entrust it to 50 people randomly selected from the phone book.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    Abolish government, select aristocracy. 😉

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    Irving Reply:

    yes, precisely. let the .96-.99 — actually, the .975-.99 — go to Harvard Law or whatever and take care of the bureaucratic stuff. let the .99+ do the real work.

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  • Wrong Side of History Says:

    Great quote.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    #What should they be squandered on?

    a lot of interesting staff in happening, like private particle accelerators which would generate and encode neutrinos in order to bore submolecular pathway through earth, 21st century internet connections. accelerating, increasing speed and ‘What is eliminated by speed is the earth’ P. Virilio Grey Ecology.

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    admin Reply:

    “What should they be squandered on?” — Intelligence advancement.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Intelligence advancement begs the question of what intelligence is for, and it seems like it’s largely for helping others.

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    admin Reply:

    We completely disagree (unsurprisingly).

    Teleological subordination of intelligence is the worst thing in the world.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    There is a danger in inverting the progressive worldview and forgetting that they kind of had a point about certain things. You have said that

    “Man is fallen, naturally selected, and / or economically self-interested, and this is a basic condition. It’s not a remediable flaw, to be thrashed out of a mud-spattered angel.”

    Sometimes it seems like you’re trying to thrash the angel out of a mud-spatter. The teleological subordination of intelligence to helping-others is also a basic condition. You’re using your intelligence to try to help me now e.g.

    I think you’re just trying to prepare for the *advancement of helping-others* BY advancing intelligence. You see the failure of the Cathedral and recoil (you forget you’re a monkey too, just less of one than almost everyone else). You think: If only we can have advanced intelligence, THEN we can have a Cathedral–a caring-for-others–that won’t be a failure.

    “One must be a sea, to receive a polluted stream without becoming impure.” – Zarathustra

    Alrenous Reply:

    Intelligence is raw power. It’s for whatever the holder wants it for.

    As Sith, I agree raw power is good, but not only intelligence is power.

    NRK Reply:

    @admin
    Two things:
    1. The (admittedly spurious) suggestion that intelligence exists for the purpose of cooperation is hardly exclusive to utilitarianism.
    2. Would you go as far as saying that intelligence is an end in itself?

    frank Reply:

    @NRK

    Intelligence optimization is the only end that respects Darwinism, i.e. reality. Any ‘transcendent goal’ that dares subordinate intelligence is at best a local optimum — a counterfeit end — and at worst a death cult.

    NRK Reply:

    @frank
    Doesn’t this still teleologically subordinate intelligence, namely under whatever goals you have while (or believe are entailed by) respecting darwinism?
    At least tell me what is inherently wrong with death and its fan clubs.

    frank Reply:

    > At least tell me what is inherently wrong with death and its fan clubs.

    Nothing wrong with it. It just doesn’t perpetuate itself. So it’s a false telos.

    Darwinist constraints don’t subordinate intelligence, they give form to intelligence and vice versa. Replication doesn’t subordinate intelligence, because it’s short sighted, i.e. stupid; optimizing for intelligence defeats pure replication as telos. On the other hand, replication is embedded in intelligence optimization.

    This is why orthogonality hypothesis is dumb. If you try to subordinate intelligence to something else, you’re not optimizing for intelligence — which means someone else who does, outsmarts you.

    NRK Reply:

    @frank
    Death seems pretty good at perpetuating itself if you’re asking me…at least within un-strange aeons, that is. Also, why do you think this is a necessary condition for a telos im order to be good?
    Apart from this, it’s easy to imagine a death cult-ish form of organized intelligence optimization: the continuation and growth of life is subordinated to the continuation and growth of intelligence, even if it does mean omnicide, as anything else would be, and I quote: “the worst thing in the world”.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    A successful death cult will end, the sooner the more successful. No more teleos.

    And this is a strange aeon.

    NRK Reply:

    Now you’re making it sound like arriving at your destination is a failure state for the journey. Reaching/fulfilling your telos always means that it can no longer be your telos. Are you saying that the only.things worth pursuing are the ones you cannot possibly have?

    Also, a death cult is a cult that embraces the death of all its members and, if possible, everyone else. That doesn’t imply that death has to be the only aspiration of such an organization. As I said, its goals may be compatible to, even driven by intelligence optimization, in which case the cult might begrudgingly accept the continued life of certain people as long as this life is conductive to the creation of a superior intelligence that doesn’t live in the traditional sense.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Sounds like normie society. I.e. what is know to transhumanists as deathism.

    NRK Reply:

    Normie society: organizing omnicide for the purpose of AI ascendance since 1776.

    Brett Stevens Reply:

    Intelligence is raw ability, and can be applied to anything. Specific abilities are less flexible.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What if a pseudo-intelligence explosion leads to wireheading or “cancer”?

    Or, can we trust It to be Wise? Wise enough not to kill itself and leave a dead or degenerate planet (Before being able to go elsewhere)?

    I have doubts. The intelligence that’s being advanced right now is not general intelligence, if anything, I see stupid-smart getting ingrained in the world. Markets as/shaping “circuits” surely provide the power that is required but they also subordinate the emerging “intelligence” to runaway ape bullshit.

    If the drive for true intelligence optimization is powerful enough to take care of itself, perhaps it would be convenient to focus on anti-cancer and anti-wireheading mechanisms that don’t interfere growth and evolution…

    What if accelerating intelligence helps it too much, makes things too easy. Wouldn’t degeneration (Of the objective variety) be the outcome of this, as usual? How do we teach discipline to Techno-Capital?

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  • Ahote Says:

    One interesting thing about Communist (now post-Communist) countries is seeing how grandchildren of the class enemies are doing in contrast to grandchildren of the commissars. The class enemies i.e. aristocracy, entrepreneurs, scientists, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and clergy were executed, their property confiscated, whereas the commissars ended up rulers of the new states. Grandchildren of the commissars are doing badly, they’re either beggars, or crooks and criminals, or if they’re doing well, they’re politicians (I suppose that falls into crooks and criminals category). In contrast, grandchildren of the class enemies are doing rather well, not as well as their grandparents of course (they don’t own hospitals and drug store chains, corporations and factories, mansions and city blocks), democratic socialism of post-Communist countries doesn’t provide the same opportunities the laissez-faire of their grandparents did, but still (they own their little private ambulance, or a small engineering firm, or a small IT company, etc.), it’s interesting that even under socialism it becomes obvious that some people simply *are* better than everyone else (you can take all of their property, but you can’t take away their genes).

    “The belief, not only of the socialists but also of those so-called Liberals who are diligently preparing the way for them, is that by due skill an ill-working humanity may be framed into well-working institutions. It is a delusion. The defective natures of citizens will show themselves in the bad acting of whatever social structure they are arranged into. There is no political alchemy by which you can get golden conduct out of leaden instincts.” — Herbert Spencer, “The Man Versus the State”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Reminds me of Tomislav Sunic´s «Sociobiology of a Communist Killing Field: The Croatian Bleiburg».

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Suffice to say, Socialism, Nationalsocialism, National-Communism, all have had a dysgenic effect on their own “ruled ” “over” peoples.

    The method of means justifying the ends always makes the ends worse than the intended.

    Not everyone can see this. Thus souls are different.

    Some are evil. Insane.

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    michael Reply:

    there’s evidence of this even with norman names in england but theres other factors proles produce half the new high IQ population every year and in meritocracies they meet at university and marry into more stabilized tranches increasing the smart fraction this is working fairly well and maybe in time we can start to work the margins on increasing IQ at the top or all levels the tech will tell us
    But the low fruit now is raising the average by working on the tail. Even if we give up on finding a way to chop the 40% non whites population with 85 IQs off; we could still sterilize them offer them bounties or welfare prohibitions or genetically modified embryos. and frankly we have a “culture” where 100 IQ people are acting like 70 IQ people because that what elites want. That could stop.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Blacks have only thought they “have a dream” for a few generations, that conditioning can be reversed. If you call a black person a chimp they only chimp-out on you over it because white people trained them to. If we had them well-trained to respect racial hierarchy I don’t see why we have to chop them off when they’re a perfectly good servant caste.

    “Essentially the Nigger Question was one of the smallest; and in itself did not much concern mankind in the present time of struggles and hurries. One always rather likes the Nigger; evidently a poor blockhead with good dispositions, with affections, attachments, — with a turn for Nigger Melodies, and the like: — he is the only Savage of all the coloured races that doesn’t die out on sight of the White Man; but can actually live beside him, and work and increase and be merry. The Almighty Maker has appointed him to be a Servant. Under penalty of Heaven’s curse, neither party to this pre-appointment shall neglect or misdo his duties therein…”

    Thomas Carlyle, Shooting Niagara

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    michael Reply:

    We used to have more need of dolts, today we have more need of jobs for our own dolts who by the way are ever so much pleasanter than the nigger. The nigger is like a lead weight around our neck while we race the chinese and jews we can beat them despite their slightly higher IQs but not while carrying the nigger the amerindian and not being permitted to chasten our own indolent lest the niggers are offended.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Aesthetically their appearance is unpleasant, there’s no getting around that (their hair could be replaced artificially that’s one part of the solution). They behave unpleasantly because the theo-political panopticon commands thou shalt be equal. If we snuck up the tower secret agent – or even Attila the Hun – style and tossed the guards down the stairs we could invert–rather de-invert–the Official Religion to Hierarchism (and if we get squirrelly a dialectic of hierarchism and equalism with hierarchy in control). That’s one thing we need to get real about, what the next Cathedral would look like fine-tuned. And how to prevent Leftist versions of NRx from cropping up. Did the people in power today begin from something similar in kind to Neoreaction?

    michael Reply:

    Yes I think the cathedral could be insidiously or forcefully re directed either way would take effort.But I think its the only way to rule a modern society of western people nrx is wreaking of north korea meets elysium its going nowhere time to salvage whats worthwhile and move on the beta coders like its excuse to be fags and feel superior about it, That said alt rights got some issues too first the socialist need to be purged,But you are correct fine tuned is the crux policies that are achievable the jew question the woman question the wn question even the type of state question need to be thought of in terms of what is the ideal v what is possible v what is the plan to get to the ideal eventually. the left moved slowly and won that may not be the model maybe all out war or 4g war but time decay must be calculated. knowing what the cathedral is really up to plans and is capable crucial. nrx has really gone no where in years actually backwards.too bad had much potential but attracted wrong crowd alt right same problem only kind of opposite although alt right at least is serious about actually fighting a war and gets the bedrock of non multiculturalism but it gets pulled into nazism like nrx gets pulled into cathedralism

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    What are the allures of Cathedralism? What are the allures of Nazism?

    michael Reply:

    if you want to try and trace the schism I guess start with the trichotomy then there were a few excommunications asimov was one followed by a nicene council which i gather is social matter im not really interested enough to have bothered following the scandal all over the web but i gather there was a secret off line meeting and a agreement on orthodoxy, oddly social matter seems fairly human and even a bit alt right only land seems to be off on his tangent and encouraging the social signaling, but he always was the odd kid.The meme wars was another trigger it actually started when I forget which of them made up playing cards with superheroes of the alt right i guess they were like pokemon cards and that pissed some off as not serious. but when the channers and twitter started mixing and some nrx got into it it caused this they will think we are racists scare. it caused more ruckus particularly the cuck thing and then of course trump supporting was a sin if you actually wanted him to win but ok if ….yeah it was like sex was ok if you didnt use contraception.
    My thing is moldbug had some useful stuff but it was hardly a blue print and as Ive said a hundred times if you actually see what is happening you get that we can not afford a hundred years we cant afford a year demographic collapse is forever moldbug was predicting fiat collapse.But because he is so revered and appeals to a lot of less than manly men it conveniently has nrx hamstrung. It comes down to are we organizing humans in real life [yes taking MMs warnings and all elese we leanrn from history into consideration to stay out of the mire] or are we larping/ larping is fun but this aint no cbgb this aint no mudd club this aint no fooling around aint got time for that now.
    since the task is herculean its easy to dismiss anyone who suggest we take it seriously, But the task is to survive to have ones children and grandchildren survive ultimately to have humans survive. so no matter how daunting it needs to be attempted and anyone who A} still doesnt get its existential in the immediate future or B} give a damn then frankly …..

    michael Reply:

    I think speaking of the two in the sense that i was which is as vectors of alt right and nrx to some extent its easy answers in both cases. at least when you think about the motivations of the people that count. Both are very class conscious. I have an odd background and can identify from either perspective and am also annoyed by either perspective.Not even a few years ago [before the ‘alt right’ was exiled or exited] the idea was the DE had three legs a trichotomy ironically ethnonationalism wasn’t controversial. But if you looked at the various representation of the trichotomy you could seem it was structurally dubious first it was a political treaty by allegedly post political parties. And it was drawn with the same fault lines as conservatism in some ways. Particularly making religion one tine. Like conservatives the religious conservatives were too tempting to pass on. and most of reaction saw a need for culture as a foundation of civilization. the problem is if there’s is an essence to the dark enlightenment its truth reality reason which is what put HBd as the actual foundation. and any civilization built on reason and racial reality is going to have a problem eventually with christianity. it may be sad but its true. christianity is a universalist socialist self abnegating philosophy and like any religion based not on reason. so no matter how you try to fortify it with a right wing veneer theres always going to be some lefty come around and ask what would jesus do and another lefty come around and ridicules its anti reason. Capitalism works well with reason and with our race but its clear it can also destroy the civilization that supports it. This is true for tech as well. The problem is all know checks on tech and capital trigger anti socialist myself included. never the less it clear capitalism can destroy itself as well as the civilizations that support it if not kept from doing so. not an easy answer. From where we stand right now ethno nationalism is a no brainer it would be light years better than what we have but it triggers a lot of nrx who are often millennials raised on cathedralism or jews who have bad associations and of course this is complicated by the fact that the JQ is a reasonable question to be discussing unfortunately its not really being discussed alt right seems to have settled on a conspiracy theory that’s not debatable and nrx doesn’t want to alienate some smart jewish reactionaries like MM himself or a lot of others. God theres so many problems I could go on.

    I would say there’s a fairly good middle ground from which to begin,which is essentially nrx as it described itself about two years ago. The real fight wasn’t really about race it was about action vs inaction, those for action rightly saw race was the most promising path forward as well as the issue that would soon make the entire DE project moot. Ironically of all the players in the Techno futurist tine only land is still considered to be in the nrx club and he has become more and more clear hes an anti humanist, his vision is robots doing perfect capitalism and science without us. well fine i wish the robots statistical unlikihoods but frankly who cares whats it got to do with what moldbug was writing about human organization. technology and capitalism are weapons of european peoples and we had best not let them fall into disrepair or foreign hands but techno futurism is some kind of abortion thought of an ex commie.
    Things in moldbug have to be addressed to proceed. moldbug seems to prove to many that doing nothing will lead to them getting to run the world and that t lift a finger is to be counter productive its kind of a randian strike, as long as the hope of exit they remain in denial but there is no exit. but theres is 6 billion various shades of niggers pouring in. we do not have the luxury of awaiting collapse and Davos to call begging for help. If this were simply awaiting socialism’s ultimate denouement but its not they have opened the gates you dont come back from that type of collapse. I argue to reconsider democracy of a formalized [not representation without taxation] because its a more likely realistic path than a return to monarchy or cameralism idea that we should all volunteer to be serfs on zucks patch. democracy was in the vein of evolution capitalism and information exchange and worked well to an extent against the problems of monarchy etc, but like religion it got pwnd.mainly because it gave votes to the unproductive. But MM other problem which he admits is property is owned by whoever has the violence capable of taking or holding it. zucks dont have any violent power nor would any patch fag, and who on earth would invest their life into a patch owned by someone else. no one of any worth. People invest in their nations because while they may have entrusted the most capable to administer them they know they are the actual owners. the useless scum know they are not the owners. so yes their issues with formal power and democracy but the argument cuts both ways the actual owners of a nation range all the way from elon musk down to the idaho farm boy who joins the military and sits on the wall they all own by virtue of having helped build and maintain and by virtue being able to take possession of if need be,the nations and so they invest in it like owners. niggers and slackers dont. but zuck and gates didnt build ths world they invented a couple apps is all and without that idaho farm boy in the nuclear silo they would would have their apps robbed and their asses raped so formalism needs to get finer grained and simply make sure you cant vote to spend taxes you didnt pay including by going into debt we need to negotiate with business who want access to our infrastructure markets etc like we are not a bunch of cucked faggots with kick me signs on our foreheads. well its complicated but nothings being discussed you got some playing fascist others playing elysium

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    “a few years ago [before the ‘alt right’ was exiled or exited] the idea was the DE had three legs a trichotomy ironically ethnonationalism wasn’t controversial”

    This schism piques me–it is concealed now. What were the crucial events and discussions that led to this?

    “techno futurism is some kind of abortion thought of an ex commie. Things in moldbug have to be addressed to proceed.”

    @Admin, the ghost of Christmas past is knocking at your door.

    “moldbug seems to prove to many that doing nothing will lead to them getting to run the world”

    “Prove” and “assert” are two incredibly different things.

    I understand Moldbug’s impulse however. Unless we have sharpened, disciplined rulers Cathedral 2.0 is what comes next, and after that a Leftist-style NRx to uproot them, and the cycle continues on down to hell. We need good rulers. It’s a matter of timing is how the schism boils down to me. Is the NRx intelligentsia prepared? If they sic’d the alt-right on the Cathedral would it bring it down, or would the Cathedral merely incur a flesh-wound and subsequently have the alt-right dog taken to the pound?

    This is sci-fi but imagine that twenty four years down the road there is an alt-right uprising only larger, more fervid, and the NRx intelligentsia is no longer a laughing-stock. Then, THEN is when to strike. But will that ever come or will Hillary’s victory result in the alt-right dog getting neutered?

    Thankfully we can count on God, Gnon, what have you, that bitches can’t breed with bitches. This is a cosmic struggle of proportions we don’t have any percent of an inkling of.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It doesn’t help that they are essentially full of hate. Hate niggers, hate faggots, hate jews, hate liberals, etc.

    It’s pretty easy to differentiate hate and envy from healthy thought or gallows humor, even when the ideas and conclusions are the same.

    They’re foul, insufferable creatures.

    admin Reply:

    The fact commentators here are not even slightly ashamed at dropping this kind of vacuous, drunkenly generalizing, garbage remarks is depressing. Michael and Dick Wagner, of course, bear much of the responsibility for pulling the tone down into the gutter. Thanks guys [attempted ‘sarc’ tag tries to do something impossible in HTML].

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ “techno futurism is some kind of abortion thought of an ex commie.”

    This is an extremely Evolian point. Michael is very Evolian in certain respects.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Being Anonymous is slightly ashamed. Tyranny breeds repression.

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  • Yves Vannes Says:

    Reads like something our current crop of plutocrats would say.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Not long ago did the whites who had more power enslave the whites who had lesser power.

    http://imgur.com/gallery/u0FEa Certainly foul behaving amoral whites did not receive charity.

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    michael Reply:

    yeah seems nrx is going cathedral or maybe it always was

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  • Aristocles Invictvs Says:

    Seems like you do not wish to heed to Plato’s warning, those who do not wished to be ruled badly must themselves rule, otherwise you have no right to complain…

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Good point. I don´t think it´s either “put your whole time into ruling monkeys” or “spend your whole time on the development of some obscure scientific experimentalism which might have a great pay-off.”

    Apparently Mr. Land manages to do a bit of both. In subtle ways, that is —which might escape some, and does escape many.

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  • S.C. Hickman Says:

    No. The rare exceptions are too precious to be squandered on social zoo-keeping. Yea, let middling management do it… they’ve always kept the status quo, well… status quo… allow the .01% to continue optimizing intelligence!

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    michael Reply:

    besides the geeks are to stay in the coding room

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬ “Well, the main problem was that the Prussians supported the so called “Kleindeutsche Lösung” (Small-German solution), which means a German Empire but without Austria. Why leaving Austria out? Because Austrian monarchy within the German Empire were an equal power to the Prussians, but the Prussians wanted to have the sole power an say in the German Empire-to-be. Austria was an opponent in means of power, so they wanted to keep Austria out of the German Empire.

    Supporters of the “Großdeutsche Lösung” (Greater-German solution) supported a German unification as an Empire, but WITH Austria. They didn´t want to have the Prussians as the sole rulers of the Empire. Bavarian King Ludwig II. was a staunch supporter of the Großdeutsche Lösung.

    The Prussians used a trick: They provoked a short but successful war against our arch enemy France, and all German states were more or less forced to support the Prussians against the French army. This created a feeling of national unity, and the supporters of the “Kleindeutsche Lösung” won at the end. The German Empire and Austria – German people here and there – walk on different paths since then.”

    >oh mein glorified royal polities, behaving like monkeys, setting off wars, best blame “da Jooz” for everything, Fascism will make this reicht. we will trample ze untermenschen with great bravado, and no Wu-Tung!

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    You don’t have the spine to be a tyrant so you’re a jester.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    We are all fools, but I am not a mere jester.

    Stop making these “YEAH I´M CALLING IT” it´s just your fucking subjective feels.

    You´re an anarcho-fascist teenbrain, you constantly use humorous tactics but when it doesn´t suit you you cry “entarte kunst!” or something similar against what you yourself deploy.

    Difference is I make historical points, you make grievance or bully points.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    What do you stand for?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Liberty, Justice, Truth.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    In that order?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Truth came first to mind. I find these three to be indistinguishable, so no specific order. If all tell the truth, all is just, and all are free.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    They are, so to speak, interdependent. You need the liberty to speak to be able to tell the truth. You need to be able to tell the truth to be a part of a society that values Libertas highly. There is justice in the world in that those who lie come to be known as liars. There is justice in society that you are free to not associate with people who lie too much. It is just to denounce liars. Under a tyrant you must lie, and are thus not at liberty to be just and tell the truth. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    There´s a reason all civilizations put values as gods or angels — except our Communist/Democratic post-1789 aberration . Because these are living things more so than utterly beuro-plannable.

    The dynamics of values are as dynamic as human relations.

    So there are 12 gods in every European pantheon. Each with dozens of values in different configurations.

    These are now replaced with Pop stars, & politicians.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ “Under a tyrant you must lie, and are thus not at liberty to be just and tell the truth.”

    Actually, a Free Man never lies. If he lies he is not free but coerced.

    Difference between honorable man, and dishonor.

    This is a stairway to heaven ↑↑↑

    S.C. Hickman Reply:

    @(N) G. Eiríksson What? Liberty, Justice, Truth. …

    Oh, okay, you’re a follower of Plato… that explains a lot. All those Universals seem to hang over the Abyss like forgotten gods or – more likely, devils about to be gobbled up by the archontes. Yea, keep on defending your Idealism… us devils need some good munchies. 🙂

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´m not a “follower of Plato” nor do I especially identify as an idealist.

    Truth, liberty, justice, these are all common terms a random person on the street thinks with. Even the most basest eliminative materialist or Marxist ‘has’ these values.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´m just a sane crazy person, able to engage differently with identities than most people, an alpha to omega male. I interpret everything in the way that I can see it work. Maybe a Platonic Materialist & Libert-aryan Transcendental Hayekian-Nitzean trans-Marxist. Don´t see how I disagree with Aristótle tho. Satanic Christian. Omniversalist.
    Definitely not a Communist.

    I agree with something from every person I´ve ever read or heard from, obviously.

    I quite like Hegel and Lacan, and I think Zizek´s «The Reality of the Virtual» is top-tier stuff. It´s more comprehensible than a lot of his other talks. https://youtu.be/LuG8ElyirC0 He also gets a few things about Christianity better than most Christians.

    Incidentally, someone commented this to my re-blogging and commenting on an article on Mr. Land´s Horrorism («Apocalyptic Fantasies»), he said: : I’m not sure the Fourth Way clique fairly represent Land’s oevre in that piece. Like Nietzsche and Aleister Crowley, Land invites creative reinterpretation. He nudges us to gaze abysses like ISIS, and the Kurtz motif appears in his much earlier work, but at the end of the day, he is unambiguous that “Violent criminality is not even slightly ok. (It’s questionable whether politics is even slightly ok.)”(http://www.xenosystems.net/lunatic-activism/) Seems to me he sees a link between “politics” itself to “violent criminality.” Kurtz, in Apocalypse Now, recognizes that the logic of political order demands that some babies arms be hacked off. In the long run, the only way to avoid becoming Kurtz is to exit from politics. [End of what he said.]
    https://informationtradition.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/apocalyptic-fantasies-nick-lands-horrorism/

    I agree with him, and I agree with Land. With the reservation that he´s using the term ‘politics’ in a particular manner. He´s left it to the dogs.

    As for my Platonic Materialism, I guess I did write a ca. 9000 word article on it, but someone in the comment sections of Xenosystems.net seems to have phrased the same in far fewer words:

    A very quiet American on June 30th, 2016 at 4:47 pm, said:

    No. You make the common mistake of confusing ‘matter’ with some notion of ‘stuff’ (admittedly, the Germans use ‘Stoff’ for matter)—that is, ‘things’ in contrast to the ‘ghostly’ (as in the vulgar interpretation of the soul as the ‘ghost in the machine’)—‘sensibilia’ in traditional language. Yet anything evident at all to the senses is not pure matter, but Form-in-matter (whether understood as presence or participation). It is so evident first and foremost not because of its material substrate, but because of the order or arrangement (taxis) within it—the ‘presence’ of Form, which is the principle of any being’s unity and being.

    Pure ‘matter’ (if there be such a thing) is nothing other than pure ‘potency’, pure ‘malleability’, pure ‘possibility.’ As such, ‘money’ is MORE material than most things you think of as material precisely because it is the most ‘formless’, because it connotes infinite possibilities. It is just another name for the Principle that is also called ‘freedom’ or ‘liberty’, ‘equality, ‘power’ etc.—the notion of the Limitless (ἄπειρον)—which liberal modernity identifies as the only unqualified good.

    This mistake does not belong to liberal modernity alone—it is coëval, or even older, than humanity—admin will appreciate Paradise Lost V.851-866, which is not the same point, but based on it—but liberal modernity exceeds all in its stubborn wilful insistence on adhering to this mistake because it defines itself by its rejection of the saner view.

    What saner view? It is founded on the recognition that matter/potency is posterior to Form/activity and depends on it for its Being—that apart from Form, matter is but non-being of a certain sort—that matter, far from being a principle of goodness because of its infinity, rather loves or yearns for Form the way that the ugly desires the beautiful or the female the male (Physics 1.9)—just because Form—genuine order—is what is good for it.

    This view need not contradict modern science (founded upon the hypotheses [cf. Republic 510b-511e] of mathematical physics and, finally, dependent on an interpretation of Being as inFORMation), only materialist interpretations of the same (which cannot give any genuine explanation of the presence and priority of information in the world—the men labouring under these interpretations are worse than dreamers who do not know they dream [Republic 533b ff.]). Such interpretations are based not on any serene observation of the empirical facts, but rather on the prior commitment to an ethics founded on rebellion—the devil was the first Whig—which dominates their vision.

    Until it break out of this view, no matter how many elaborate castles-in-the-air it constructs—or sophomoric fantasies of a future humanity technologically divinised through History it enjoys—, Neoreaction will find it impossible to find a ‘horizon beyond liberalism’. The challenge of doing so is not to be underestimated—even Heidegger said Höher als die Wirklichkeit steht die Möglichkeit. But without succeeding in this, Neoreaction will just be the latest in a series of Gnostic rebellions against the order of the world, in service to our bellies and our fancies.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    About Communism, I wonder tho: if it would have ‘at all’ been possible to funnel Russia and China, or for them to arrive at all, so fast into Industrial Society without Communist mania?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Being a tyrant, if you simply mean ‘absolute ruler’, is one thing (altho the word was negative to Plato) but being a botched ruler or polity is another.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    What are liberty, justice, and truth next to God?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    What is God but truth?

    Btw. you already derided me for you suspecting me to be a Christian, now you´re—anarchistically—citing Christianity?

    Anyway, these values are highly regarded in all religions and civilizations.

    But still, not equally. The subtle rules the dense.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Or be it Platón. He holds the same values, they are forms of his god.

    Indeed, components of the good. I´d recommend

    Boethius´ The Consolation of Philosophy:

    ▬ “Since men become happy by acquiring happiness, and since happiness is divinity itself, it follows that men become happy by acquiring divinity. For as men become just by acquiring integrity, and wise by acquiring wisdom, so they must in a similar way become gods by acquiring divinity.”
    http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=2325

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    God is beyond truth. When you talk about those abstract values you’re putting everything into your own hands and forgetting you’re always already in God’s. Why is Truth True? God made you to perceive Truth that way. God is beyond Truth and beyond You (and whatever weird furry “liberties” You indulge in).

    We’ve inherited anti-theological ire, likely rightly so, from the decay of Christianity, but now we need a new God. Should we not call it “God”? There’s something disingenuous about calling it anything but, as if we’re trying to hide how similar it is to the previous “mask of the divine”. I have no such squeamishness. Christianity was a religion for peasants (aside from various, isolated mystical appropriations–“mysticism begins in mist and ends in schism” runs a Medieval proverb) and we are in the position now to create a religion for the hoi mesoi. We could go with Nietzsche and Admin’s attitude and create a religion for aristocrats and as it were let the weak drop off (https://66.media.tumblr.com/9d7592baf1f7f743434a7d0ac64febb7/tumblr_o2tqn8lcuM1rjwablo1_1280.png)… Problem with this is children and grandmothers are weak and any social order needs those. So we can never do away with some form of “platonism for the masses”. But I believe in progress – we were once apes, before that we were dust – we can do better than Christianity, especially with the help of Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger. Plato’s Mass-Religion lasted 2000 years, we can learn from him and craft a Religion whose God won’t die for 10000.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You can say about anything that it´s abstract. Any word is an abstraction. Anyway, what you´re saying is nothing new. We could just as well go into “beyond God” discussions, it depends on the system that is used — or the ‘beyond theism and antitheism’ of “Ride the Tiger.” The vantage point you try to attain by your type of maneuvers is dishonorable and only is a testament to yourself. It´s below Socrates´ maneuvers, and even his´ got his conversers annoyed and him killed.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    It’s nothing new because God is an abstraction to you. “We could just as well go into “beyond God” discussions” – if we go into these God will become less of an abstraction. Politics, the necessary dirt involved in politics, is hostile to ontology. “…Baeumler does not grasp metaphysically but interprets politically” (Heidegger).

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´re obnoxious.

    The word ‘God’ is an abstraction, it´s a drawing up (to stract). It´s descended from a word meaning “to call, invoke.”

    Still God is not a mere abstraction to me. And you are an offense to god. Replacing numinousity with hysteria, and holiness with feminist machismo.

    ▬ “The personification of the divine was almost completely lacking in the ancient Roman ‘religion’, so much so that images were absent in the cult. The ancient Roman had a fundamental aversion to thinking by means of images. Hence, in the profane field, one of the reasons for the contempt which ancient Romans had for the artist was their original pride for distinguishing themselves by very different ideals than the creation of images and the sculpture of marble. Hence, in the field of the sacred, the non-existence, in the first Romanity, of a mythology of the kind of that which used to be called Greek, but which it would be better to call the Greek decadence. The Roman knew even less gods as philosophical abstractions, as theological concepts, as speculative hypotheses. In Roman reality, thought, taken in this sense, had just as little place as, precisely, the outwardness of figurative arts had.”

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The sort of tactics you use are of the same spirit as that of the vexation of sub-human blobs occupied by infrahuman forces.

    Anyway, I think the experimentalism of the Roman cult meets well with Mr. Land.

    ▬ Thus, it was not as ‘thought’, nor as a mythological world, nor even as backbone of a mere faith, that the Roman knew the divine. The Roman knew the divine as action. Before that of the deus, the sensation of the numen was deep in the Roman: and the numen is the divinity conceived of not so much as a ‘person’ than as a ‘power’, a principle of action; it is the entity whose representation did not matter (at best, the ancient Roman used symbolical objects to represent the numina: the spear, the flame, the shield, and so on), but only its positive action. Thus, it may well be said that the ancient Roman ‘religion’ had an ‘experimental’ character. Servius, in the commentary on the Eneade (III, 456), brought distinctly to light this point by saying that ancient Romans, maiores nostri, placed the whole religion not in faith, but in experience: maiores enim expugnando religionem totum in experientia collocabunt. To this can be added the testimony of Lactancius (Divine Institutions, IV, 3), who informs us that Roman ‘religion’ was not aimed at searching for the ‘truth’, but only at knowing the rite: nec habet inquisitionem aliquam veritatis sed tantummodo ritum colendi.

    It is thus legitimate to speak of a specifically Roman active-intensive conception of the sacred. It seems that the ancient Roman still kept that relationship with the sphere of essentiality, which made him exclude from his original traditions any fantastic and mythological form of supra-sensitive perception. We know well that traditional mythologies, with their various figures, are not creations of human imagination, but systems of forms in which imagination, with its images, expresses, corporealizes supra-sensitive experiences. But we also know well that those modes of an indirect and mythologized experience are inferior to an experience which is direct and absolute, that is, without forms and without images: mute, essential. This is precisely the level of the Roman conception of the sacred. This conception can be seen as the coherent sacred counterpart of that realism, of that intolerance for the unessential, the nonessential, the sentimental and the subjectivity which, originally, was always a Roman rule on the ethical, political and social plane. And just as the consciousness of a higher ethos—that inner style of life directly possessed which made the first ambassador of an already altered Hellas say that he had found himself, in the Roman Senate, not in a gathering of barbarians, as he had feared, but almost as in a ‘council of kings’—was hidden in the Roman contempt for aesthetes and ‘philosophers’, so, in the apparent poverty of the original Roman cult, in its dry and bare forms, foreign to any mysticism and pathos, to any fanciful and aesthetic rags, there is something mysterious and powerful, which, in its greatness, turns out to be hard to conceive: a breath of primordiality.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    https://youtu.be/qyIjetPpEXQ?t=28m0s

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    [Hook: Yasiin Bey]
    Yo the king closed his cloak the set was overfull
    Such a excellent moment, so emotional
    He rushed out on the field, so devoted for
    Final victory clutch they went postal cold
    Glory overload, hold up hold my coat
    Please remember this day
    This changes everything we can do anything
    Until you show anyway

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    The gods in the guise of strangers from afar put on all manner of shapes, and visit the cities, beholding the violence and the righteousness of men.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ { In his Zorn und Zeit (translated as Rage and Time), Sloterdijk characterizes the emotion of rage as a psychopolitical force throughout human history. The political aspects are especially pronounced in the Western tradition, beginning with the opening words of Homer’s Iliad, “Of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, sing, O Goddess…”. Sloterdijk acknowledges the contributions of psychoanalysis for our understanding of strong emotional attitudes: “In conformity with its basic erotodynamic approach, psychoanalysis brought much hatred to light, the other side of life.” (Rage and Time, p. 14)

    Judeo-Christian conceptions of God ultimately “piggyback” on the feelings of rage and resentment, creating “metaphysical revenge banks”. For Sloterdijk, “God thus becomes the location of a transcendent repository of suspended human rage-savings and frozen plans of revenge.” }

    Your kind is outdated now, omega male.

    Powerless spewer of rhetoric.

    You complained that NRx wasn´t “leading the Alt-Right” — are you doing that? 😀

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    The AltRight gets tiresome. There isn’t just a large intelligence-gap, there’s a *really large* intelligence-gap, between it and those with Moldbug like Buddha on their mantle. Then there’s NRx compared to a couple handfuls of minds from the canon of Western philosophy and there’s no comparison. I guess that’s taken as a given but I figured I’d offer a reminder.

    “Through Jesus’ crucifixion–a “stroke of genius”–God intervened on behalf of the debtor, to relieve the human suffering borne from guilt, from our original indebtedness. While such a solution seemed to alleviate suffering, by having God assume it himself–his self-consumption in suffering–out of love for the sinners, what is remarkable, paradoxical, and horrifying to the Christian solution is precisely the fact that it compounds human guilt. Now, mankind intensifies the cause of his suffering by adding the guilt for God’s own sacrifice, Jesus’ crucifixion, to his own earlier situation of an already infinitized guilt.”

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    actually, you´re not even aryan, so your kind has always been outdated…

    [VERSE 1]
    Hollow a mountain out
    Build a villa in it, pimp that’s what I’m talkin’ bout
    Uh, Closed minded lil’ children, I write my way to a million, lookin’ out the plane windows
    Fuck around get popped like a collar
    For slippin’ in my city get bitten, chewed, swallowed
    Fool, what you think you like me
    Your idol and your rival I be

    Holdin’ the title with the precision of a hunter’s rifle
    Shots fired, the forest too quiet, trees ignited
    Fall back baby girl let me get high chick
    Eagle droppings, fly shit, who gon’ stop him
    On the grind I am like a quarterback attackin’ defensive lineman homie who gon’ block em
    [HOOK]
    Tearin thru the city
    Snatchin’ bitches top of the building
    King Kong ain’t got shit on me
    25-8, goin ape for the cake nigga
    King Kong ain’t got shit on me
    Wanna be pilots, get swatted out the sky around I
    King Kong ain’t got shit on me
    Larger than life, they hate me because they ain’t me
    King Kong ain’t got shit on me

    [VERSE 2]
    Yea, came up, put it down for my set what I did Jets nigga
    Founder of a flyer society raisin’ the partition so the driver won’t bother me
    Women wishin for a position on either side of me
    Hopin’ for a free ride to the top with me

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    What gets me is why such smart guys dont get they are messing with shit they know nothing about.

    admin Reply:

    As if life essentially isn’t “messing with shit you know nothing about”.

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  • Dark Reformation Says:

    @ahote

    I encountered similar things in China. One particular incident was a boy who told me his grandfather owned lots of land and a temple. His father was a mid-level Party functionary, but he was quite wealthy. The son, however, was very gifted. Always involved in the politics of the school — a bright future I am sure. A few other incidents like this also occurred to me.

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  • Aeroguy Says:

    This ignores the fact that more formidable intelligences than human geniuses already exist. Collective intelligence, markets being a prime example, are far more powerful than any individual man or machine. I’m inclined towards agreeing with Admin about the orthogonality question, however machines that lack the raw intelligence of man can still constantly dominate man at chess and many other contests because of how they specialize. Of course it’s really the programmers winning these trophies (thus undermining orthogonality). In the case of markets teams of programmers with their algorithms are apex predictors/predators, competing against each other while at the top of the information chain in a complex ecosystem of lesser intelligences gleaning valuable information. The ecosystem as a whole is orders of magnitude smarter than any individual apex predator, further an ecosystem of only apex predators would be enormously inefficient if sustainable at all.

    Which would yield greater dividends, having human geniuses work directly on intelligence advancement (isolated pockets of genetic engineering labs), or having them figure out how to leverage collective intelligence to aid them (the full backing of a civilization’s gdp output towards intelligence optimization). Living in a tiny microcosm or feeding at the top of a mighty ecosystem.

    More poignantly, the cathedral can be thought of as a collective intelligence utilizing social status (technically monkey politic is still a son of Gnon, not a phase but a reoccurring issue that will always have to be accounted for, like r-selection.) the way markets utilize money, a demon that consumed the misguided enlightenment era programmers who summoned it and most importantly barricades any exits. Either wait for it to die while in an isolated bunker (though it seems quite successful at reproducing itself by infecting new hosts, so you’d also need to be able to immunize uninfected hosts against it, China has antibodies but is hardly immune), or it would take nothing short of a more powerful collective intelligence to defeat it.

    The market is an candidate to fight it in this giant eldritch monster battle, however markets distort in the presence of power the way space-time distorts in the presence of gravity. Since the Cathedral is wrapped in power, market forces can’t hit it. NRx as a competing mind virus (benign or even symbiotic as opposed to malignant) has been suggested, however pursuit of truth in of itself can’t compete with pursuit of power which uses truth as means rather than end. Creating competing institutions of power (with built in immunity) could work in the sense that it’s theoretically not impossible, if it’s practically possible is debatable, though the return on investment in long term intelligence optimization by altering the political environment really is too good to pass up (of course you have a mixed portfolio of some geniuses working immediate returns in genetic engineering and others working for long term optimization).

    If the Cathedral is optimizing for status and markets for wealth, then what’s optimizing for intelligence? The universe itself, though technically only as a means for optimizing maximization of entropy production. We’re so many layers down that looking for the big picture at the macroscopic level is convoluted and messy.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Because people are relatively nihilistic, and hedonistic, they are not buying shares in the glorious space race.

    Or maybe, nobody is selling?

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    Alrenous Reply:

    You seem confused.
    People don’t make their own decisions. They are sheep. They go where they are lead. The leaders aren’t buying into the space race because it doesn’t get them sexed. Most of ’em are married already anyway.

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    michael Reply:

    If people are sheep why are we worried about democracy?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I seem confused. Where did that come from? It itself seems like a confused retort to my submittal: Because people are relatively nihilistic, and hedonistic, they are not buying shares in the glorious space race.

    Or maybe, nobody is selling?

    Which referred to, not “selling the idea” as in merely promoting it; but actually selling it. It was a rhetoric to say: we must promote, and eventually real-world marketize the glorious space race!

    michael Reply:

    devils advocate but markets intelligent, at finding price? its basically an auction, and when it stops being an auction it starts being a tulip fest monkey brains. Maybe you mean at signaling a desire for iphones? because they dont they had no idea what an iphone was and were astounded when they saw it.But they will signal for things to destroy themselves with. What markets do is stir the pot create opportunity for constant innovation. But the incentive money empowers the last rounds winners to stymie the next rounds and to fuck with the markets as well in destructive ways destroying civilizations that support free markets and capitalism.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >they had no idea what an iphone was and were astounded when they saw it

    That´s b.s. Even ‘phone watches’ e.g. existed in pop-culture, such as The Dick Tracy Show, to mention one thing from 1961.

    Many (most) things are foreshadowed before they arrive.

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    michael Reply:

    this is the problem with letting kids your age participate in adult conversations you dont even remember what the world was like even a few years ago.

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  • pyrrhus Says:

    The solution will be dictated by Rev. Malthus, when he returns from his brief smoking break….You didn’t really think that 8 billion people were going to be living on the planet indefinitely, did you?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Don´t think I ever specifically had the thought that 8 billion people were going to be living on the planet indefinitely.

    sic itur ad astra

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    On September 10, 2014 at 6:33 pm RiskWerk said:
    ▬ “It’s a wonder that Napoleon was allowed to live after the Russian campaign, but that same experiment was repeated in 1941, and in dozens of countries and times since 1812. A “collage” of leadership failures ala Minard might raise some questions about how our next great adventure should end, if not so, and why not, and even more so for the civilian populations in their path.”

    On September 21, 2014 at 7:18 pm Ellie Kesselman said:
    ▬ “Hello Mr. Goetze. Napoleon’s Russian campaign was worse than I realized. The fatalities documented by Minard were for the march to and from Poland to Moscow. I do not think the final portion from Krakow to Paris, or thereabouts, was included. The death toll would be even greater.

    Yes, it is a wonder that Napoleon had any future after leading so many men into death. Minard designed and published the map in the final year of his life, 1869. I am merely speculating, but have wondered if fear of reprisal or incitement of public protest motivated Minard to wait 55 years to create such an eloquent testament to human folly.

    Sometimes, armed conflict, no, more honest to call it what it is, war, is unavoidable. Sacrificing lives as Napoleon and his lieutenants did, through poor planning, vanity, and worse, should be a vivid reminder of a worst-case scenario, even now. Thank you for visiting, and for your thought-provoking comment.”

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    If Polybius and the philosophers are right about Anacyclosis Tyranny precedes Aristocracy.

    http://anacyclosis.org/

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´ve seen this brilliance before.

    There´s this one too:
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/05/oswald-spengler-and-the-controversy-of-caesarism/

    The struggle for the Caesar-title became steadily more and more negroid [Obama, etc], and might have gone on century after century in increasingly primitive and, therefore, eternal” forms.

    Apparently all three phases of dissolution are happening to us at the same time.

    I predict RaHoWa within my lifetime. 😀

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  • Worm Says:

    This (from the BBC) is almost as funny as the president of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte, calling Obama “the son of a whore”:

    “A Chinese airline has reportedly warned passengers that “precautions” should be taken when visiting areas in London mainly populated by “Indians, Pakistanis and black people”.

    Air China included the comments as part of a feature in its in-flight magazine on visiting the city.

    It also advised tourists not to go out alone at night, and for females to always be accompanied when travelling.

    A London MP has written to the Chinese ambassador to the UK for an apology.”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Saw this on Twitter. Glorious Chinese Space Race.

    Mao enhanced cybernetically revived

    with Capitalism 3.0 fluid

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    @Fallen Leif

    “It is not always easy to be Heideggerian. It would be easier to understand a great painter or musician falling into shame in this way (but, precisely, they did not). It had to be a philosopher, as if shame had to enter into philosophy itself. He wanted to rejoin the Greeks through
    the Germans, at the worst moment in their history: is there anything worse, said Nietzsche, than to find oneself facing a German when one was expecting a Greek?” (D&G, What is Philosophy?)

    Touché but of course Deleuze would say that, he was a Jew. If Admin aspires to be cold, what’s colder than Heidegger becoming a Nazi and then being unrepentant about it for 30 years? The only thing colder than that is inventing the nuke.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >what’s colder than Heidegger becoming a Nazi and then being unrepentant about it for 30 years

    Many things.

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  • Anonymous Says:

    “Observation shows that there is a direct ratio between the intelligence of the leader and that of the led. To be a leader of his contemporaries a child must be more intelligent but not too much more intelligent than those to be led… But generally speaking, a leadership pattern will not form–or it will break up–when a discrepancy of more than about 30 points of IQ comes to exist between leader and led [3, p. 287].”

    From http://www.worlddreambank.org/O/OUTSIDRS.HTM

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    We do not talk very much about Leo Strauss. Once again, there are some obvious reasons for this, but also others.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    http://imgur.com/gallery/YfWpB

    ▬ “Nihilism is the rejection of the principles of civilization …”

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    It’s nihilistic to talk about Leo Strauss. There’s a difference between talking about noble lies and *doing* noble lies. This is the difference between Plato’s Republic and Plato’s Timaeus, Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil and Nietzsche’s Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

    But I thought nihilism was what this blog was all about?

    Until we talk about Leo Strauss – until the esoteric/exoteric distinction is made exoteric – NRx is similar in kind to a populist movement. L. S. is the brahmin of brahmins. What Ntzsch wrote in his notebook about Plato could just as well apply to L. S.: he “is a man with many caves out back and many facades out front… he knows the forbidden entrances of every holy place.”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The atheisation, even the athenization, of the concept of ‘brahmin’ is but a symptom of nihilism.

    Obviously Strauss is but a quasi-brahmin, while Evola is neo-brahmin. As per Confucius´ Analects we will avoid the dilution of names, and we will avoid the misappropriation of terms that have survived millennia intact, we will not participate in the demo-demonic mishandling of fevered pseudophilosophical calling-its, these misbehaviors being Leftism in its ever shifting dis-guise.

    ▬ “The term nihilism was first used by Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi (1743–1819). Jacobi used the term to characterize rationalism[14] and in particular Immanuel Kant’s “critical” philosophy to carry out a reductio ad absurdum according to which all rationalism (philosophy as criticism) reduces to nihilism—and thus it should be avoided and replaced with a return to some type of faith and revelation. Bret W. Davis writes, for example, “The first philosophical development of the idea of nihilism is generally ascribed to Friedrich Jacobi, who in a famous letter criticized Fichte’s idealism as falling into nihilism. According to Jacobi, Fichte’s absolutization of the ego (the ‘absolute I’ that posits the ‘not-I’) is an inflation of subjectivity that denies the absolute transcendence of God.”[15] A related but oppositional concept is fideism, which sees reason as hostile and inferior to faith.”

    Nationalsocialism, like any Nationalism, and any Socialism, is nihilism because it is a break from 5.000 years of Indo-European tradition of law, ethics and religion.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    “The atheisation, even the athenization, of the concept of ‘brahmin’ is but a symptom of nihilism.”

    Arbitrary word-play is a symptom of surrealism (or mind-melting psychedelic trips) which is a symptom of nihilism. There’s a difference between word-play and world-play.

    “Obviously Strauss is but a quasi-brahmin, while Evola is neo-brahmin”

    What Evola has on Strauss is comparative philosophy–Strauss is mostly silent about the East. What Strauss has on Evola is the immersion in the Western Classics–Classics which dwarf the rice-eaters’ classics.

    >muh Aryanism
    >worships a Sicilian cripple

    I do love Confucius though. (As did notorious kike-shamer Ezra Pound). This sums up life tbh: http://66.media.tumblr.com/5897e3c95404140d4f099ed229dc0de3/tumblr_o4nq86DYUw1rjwablo1_500.png
    The ntzschmeister himself hones in on man as the promise-making and keeping animal in the Genealogy. Loki-males like yourself are going to neglect and altogether slaughter The Promise and thereby screw up the New Religion of the New Cathedral for everyone else.

    I’m sorry but you entirely missed my point again.

    Esotericism is a bull continuing uninterruptedly to chew hay as it hears a jet pass by overhead.

    Don’t be that bull.

    A student of Strauss, Stanley Rosen, put the point like this: “There is a fundamental difference between understanding Zarathustra, or in other words Nietzsche’s teaching, and being a product of that teaching.”

    This insight can, of course, help us understand Xenosystems, or in other words Land’s teaching.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >Arbitrary word-play

    This is not arbitrary but has a specific meaning. It means ‘increasing atheism’ and increasing ‘being like Athens in decline.’

    Immediately when someone does something you don´t like (like a kid) or immediately understand, you revert to a hostile mode of corrupting, indee abasing, the argument you are met with rather than honestly working with it. That is Leftist and Oedipal, not Right.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    “Aristophanes’s Socrates, Strauss notes, seems to teach two things: natural science, like a “pre-Socratic” philosopher, and rhetoric. Bringing these fields together symbolically are his new gods, who are natural beings, the Clouds—and who form Aristophanes’s chorus in the comedy. Above the Clouds, we learn, is a first cosmic principle, the ether and vortex. The clouds, as their shifting forms suggest, teach the art of being able to speak persuasively, and appear differently to different audiences. They can imitate all things, and bestow knowledge of how to speak well to all men. In any case, just as it was enough for Strepsiades to state his desire to learn for Socrates’s students to begin their physical demonstrations, so too Aristophanes’s Socrates does not hesitate to imprudently reveal immediately to his neophyte the shocking implications of his new philosophy: “Zeus does not exist.” Lightning is not Zeus’s way of punishing the wicked, as the naïve believe. It is a naturally occurring phenomenon that strikes equally the good, the bad, and morally indifferent. Perfectly natural, indeed comically base, explanations can likewise be given for thunder, which the uneducated associate with Zeus’s justice. For these reasons: [Socrates] demands of Strepsiades that he no longer recognise the gods worshiped by the city, and Strepsiades, mind you, complies with this request without any hesitation. The strange thing is that Socrates blurts out these things before he has tested Strepsiades regarding his worthiness to hear of them and his ability to understand them.”

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >What Evola has on Strauss is comparative philosophy–Strauss is mostly silent about the East. What Strauss has on Evola is the immersion in the Western Classics–Classics which dwarf the rice-eaters’ classics.

    This is an exhibition an of ignorance of E´s writings. He was far more penetrating than a mere comparative mythologist (a relatively horizontal method, opposed to the vertical method of initiatory tradition), as he was also an initiatory writer, being among the top authorities on not merely eastern esoteric traditions, but also Western ones. He even wrote a book about a certain Luciferian Christianity (The Mystery of the “Grail”) and one on Western mystery tradition: The hermetic tradition in its symbols, doctrine, and “royal art.”

    https://twitter.com/apocalyptocrat/status/774432627252224000

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Strauss never stooped to squandering his time on savages. He knew Plato and Aristotle and what followed after them to be supreme. White-guilt will make our head nod a bit–it has an opiate effect(effete)–to compel us to chuckle Jee this Buddha knew what was up! but let’s quit the bullshitting: Chuang-Tzu and Nagarjuna don’t even touch Plato–and Descartes, forget about him.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    It´s a trap that the White civilization or philosophy begins with Platón, or so. It´s far from the truth. Philosophy, really, means love of wisdom, and starts with sapience itself.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    That begins the whole question of the Hierarchy among Sapiens. Different monkeys reached different levels of “Sapience”. Europeans reached such a level that it bends away from itself and evaluates the inferior “sapiens” for any possible charms. The virtues are there but to go 50/50 will only result in a leveling. To be charitable, since I’m European too, it’s about at a 80/20.

    If it’s a trap is the Cathedral even real?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Real and illusion are not mutually exclusive.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >Esotericism is a bull continuing uninterruptedly to chew hay as it hears a jet pass by overhead.

    esoterikos “belonging to an inner circle”. Strauss was esoteric, so too was Plato.

    So is top-tier warfighter jet building and flying.

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    Theres messing intelligently and charging in half cocked.
    lets you make a list of all the never before tried experiments nrx wants to implement, i cant be bothere they rad like some 15 year old beta geeks suicide diary . hbd tells us even minor ones can have catastrophic effects. simple multiculturalism of the post jet age may yet prove to be fatal to the human race.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬ “You forgot to add Prometheus in Hitler’s “pantheon”. He saw him, and thus was the official position in the Third Reich, as the paragon of Aryanity, which is an extremely serious mistake. It is even difficult to understand how it is possible to make such a mistake, except of being duped of what Aryanity is. This Semitic deity, in revolt against a superior and transcendent authority, is thus a fundamentally negative figure who is the Founding Mother of what would be called humanism during the alleged “Renaissance”. The revolt against any superior and transcendent authority induces a revolt against race too because race is originally a spiritual formative force, and so the baseline for any spiritual life; also, race is in an Aryan the only inalterable character, at least from a biological standpoint. A revolt against the “gods” involves a revolt against one own race as a spiritual formative force and so the denial that race is also characterized in an individual by spiritual and mental attributes. From there, race will only be seen as a set of physical/biological characteristic and, for the most raceless and stupid, only as a “skin color”. Then, it is easy to make one accept miscegenation as something normal and even positive, as it is today in Europe, which will be reduced in 50 years to a Negro-Asian and Judeo-Islamic continent, what should rejoice the aforementioned scholar. The whole alleged “Western” civilization and so-called “modern” World is a promethean abomination, worshipping its totems: [pseudo-]Liberty, [pseudo-]Equality, [pseudo-]Fraternity, Technology, Miscegenation, etc.”
    —rouesolaire Oct 4, 2014

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    Let it be known that ‘mystery’ is something that one simply doesn´t know.

    ▬ { mystery (n.1)
    early 14c., in a theological sense, “religious truth via divine revelation, hidden spiritual significance, mystical truth,” from Anglo-French *misterie, Old French mistere “secret, mystery, hidden meaning” (Modern French mystère), from Latin mysterium “secret rite, secret worship; a secret thing,” from Greek mysterion (usually in plural mysteria) “secret rite or doctrine,” from mystes “one who has been initiated,” from myein “to close, shut” (see mute (adj.)); perhaps referring to the lips (in secrecy) or to the eyes (only initiates were allowed to see the sacred rites).

    The Greek word was used in Septuagint for “secret counsel of God,” translated in Vulgate as sacramentum. Non-theological use in English, “a hidden or secret thing,” is from late 14c. In reference to the ancient rites of Greece, Egypt, etc. it is attested from 1640s. Meaning “detective story” first recorded in English 1908.

    mystery (n.2)
    “handicraft, trade, art” (archaic), late 14c., from Medieval Latin misterium, alteration of Latin ministerium “service, occupation, office, ministry” (see ministry), influenced in form by Medieval Latin mysterium (see mystery (n.1)) and in sense by maistrie “mastery.” Now only in mystery play, in reference to the medieval performances, which often were staged by members of craft guilds. The two senses of mystery formed a common pun in (secular) Tudor theater. }

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬ The community was homogenous and organic, and its homogeneity and its organicity were due, as insightfully explained by J. Evola, to the regular and closed hereditary transmission of a force that as a magnet established contacts, created a psychic atmosphere, stabilised the social structure and determined a system of coordination and gravitation between the individual elements and the centre in view of the regular development on the part of single individuals of prenatal determinations on the plane of human existence. It was a racial community, the only community worth of the name, and this explains why, even though full awareness of individual freedom and of its value may have existed from early times, it did not, and could not, transcend individual feelings to the point of leading the `polis’ to value highly `freedom’ and to conceptualise it. Even better, it was one of the « deep-seated condition in the aristocratic way of life which prevented freedom, in whatever context, from being brought to general attention and entering the political arena as a programmatic rallying cry in its own right. » (5) There was a higher concern, which was the `autonomia’ of the `oikos’ and of the `polis’. (6)

    The fact that the nobles took freedom for granted can account for the fact that no positive definition of freedom (`eleutheria’) is found in the early Greek literature, and that « From its earliest appearance… eleutheros… forms a pair of opposites with doulos. In Homer donlion emar and eleutheron emar illuminate the same event from two sides. Both expressions are used only when attention is focused on the fact and moment of the loss of freedom… lack of freedom is determined on the one hand by subjugation to force and a foreign will — in other words, by restricted freedom of action — and on the other by loss of protection, home, and country, » so that it seems reasonable to assume that the Homeric idea of `being free’ must at the very least include control over one’s own person and actions and the security of living in an intact, stable community. (7) The adjective `eleutheros’ is « primarily used in a single fixed formula referring to the moment when freedom is lost ; that is, it refers not directly to a person but to a change in the condition of that person. Eleutheros in Homer never designates the status of individuals or a group among the free or dominant part of society in contrast to those who are unfree or dependent. Thought of the community is prompted by only one phrase containing eleutheros. » (8)

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Interesting, Erikson. Know what I’ve never seen? A point by point comparison/contrast list between Evola and Moldbug. Are you able to sketch out a rough one?

    Have you encountered slavros’s Evola screeds? http://ironmarch.org/index.php?/topic/3261-fascism-restoring-tradition/

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´ve ventured into that unhygienic den a few times, can´t say I am very interested in having a look. Fascists & Bolshevists are just ideological criminal psychopaths. I´m not saying this as to offend or to virtue signal, but that they match centuries of literature that describe mental maladies & maldevelopments.

    ▬ “It goes without saying that I am not referring here to the harem or analogous institutions in mere materialistic terms. I have in mind what the harem meant to the pure traditional idea, and the superior possibility inspiring these institutions. It is the task of Tradition to create solid riverbeds, so that the chaotic currents of life may flow in the right direction. Free are those people who, upon undertaking this traditional direction, do not experience it as a burden but rather develop it naturally and recognize themselves in it so as to actualize through an inner elan the highest and most “traditional” possibility of their own nature. The others, those who blindly fol- low the institutions and obey and Jive them without understanding them are not what we may call “self-supported” beings: although devoid of light, their obedience virtually leads them beyond their limitations as individuals and orients them in the same direction followed by those who are free. But for those who follow neither the spirit nor the form of the traditional riverbed, there is nothing but [going from one supposed solution to the next]”. Leftisim is ever shifting to one “solution” to the next.

    The Right knows what is right.

    I don´t remember enough Moldbuggian argumentations to do a comparison. It´s not my modus or vocation to do dry philosophy. Not even with MM´s humour, I´m not big into jokers either. Altho I like some of Sam Hyde´s, also some British shows but who cares.

    I´m one of the few Evolians who´s also a techno-commercialist.

    Me and Mr. B. Stevens have some similarities there, e.g. I agree with what he said on Mr. Spencer´s, as it were, archeofuturism: “Technology reflects the values of its host civilization. Its arrangement is more important than the technologies themselves.” [Emphasis mine.]

    I am not in activism or agitation over the Leftist world (or the “Cathedral” or whatever) because it´s a symptom of an age of dissolution. It´s a terminal process that no one can stop.

    One might as well join the SJW to hasten this process, as Evola suggested in 1927.

    ▬ “The most decisive episode in the unleashing of the European plebs, the French Revolution, already displays the typical traits of this overthrow. When studying the French Revolution it is possible to see how these forces soon escape from the control of those who have evoked them. Once the Revolution was unleashed, it seems as if it assumed a life of its own, leading men, rather than the other way around; it eventually devoured its own “children” one by one. Its leaders, rather than real personalities, appear to be the embodiment of the revolutionary spirit and to be carried along as inane and automatic objects. They ride the wave, so to speak, as long as they follow the current and are useful to the goals set by the Revolution; but as soon as they try to dominate it or to stop it, the maelstrom submerges them. Some specific traits of the French Revolution include the speed and the power with which it spread and the speed with which events followed one another and obstacles in its way were overcome; in these traits what is visible is the emergence of a nonhuman element and a subpersonal reality that has a mind and a life of its own and that employs men as mere tools.

    This very same phenomenon may be observed, though in different degrees and forms, in some salient aspects of modern society in general, especially after the collapse of the last “dams.” Politically, the anonymous character of the structures that credit the people and the “nation” with the origin of all powers is interrupted only to generate phenomena that resemble totally the ancient popular tyrannies; that is, personalities that enjoy a brief popularity by virtue of their being masters in awakening the irrational forces of the demos and in directing their course, all the while lacking an authentically superior principle and thus having only an illusory dominion over what they have awakened. The acceleration that characterizes all falling bodies causes the phase of individualism and rationalism to be overcome and to be followed by the emergence of irrational and elemental forces characterized by mystical overtones. It is here that we encounter further developments in the well-known process of regression. In the domain of culture this regression is accompanied by an upheaval that has been characterized with the expression “treason of the clerics.” 8

    The people who still reacted against the materialism of the masses by adhering to disinterested forms of activity and to superior values, and who, by opposing their own faithfulness to higher interests and principles to the masses’ passionate and irrational life represented the vestiges of transcendence that at least prevented the inferior elements from turning their ambitions and their way of life into the only religion — these very same people in recent times have extolled that plebeian realism and that deconsecrated and inferior existence, and have conferred upon it the aura of a mysticism, a morality, and a religion. Not only did they began to cultivate realistic passions, particularisms, and political rivalries; not only did they begin frantically to pursue temporal achievements and conquests right at the time their moderating and contrasting role was needed the most …”

    ‘Insanity’ originally means unhealthiness.

    What are the people living in the South doing? They have fallen asleep in the
    heat; but they will reawaken in the storm and many among them will be
    terrified unto death.

    — J. Boehme, Aurora, 2.11.43

    Many things are known by the Wise. They foresee many things; the
    decline of the world and the end of the Aesir.

    That which is falling should also be pushed!

    — Völuspá ,44

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    That relies on a myth of decadence. To the “ascendencists” pushing a falling thing down is Satanic. Have you asked yourself whether you are doing the devil’s work lately?

    I think it is crucial to acknowledge that whether one believes in hierarchy or equality it is largely a belief and not knowledge, it’s a doctrine or dogma. Only our priests *really* know what it is to subscribe to those things. Which isn’t to say that Aristotle’s Unmoved Mover isn’t on the same continuum as the being Mrs. Johanson down the street prays to when she squeezes her rosary.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    The bio-survival imprints, especially traumatic ones, are all-over-the-body, frozen (in Reich’s metaphor) in chronic muscle and gland mechanisms… If [the] initial imprint is negative—if the universe in general and other humans in particular are imprinted as dangerous, hostile and frightening—the Prover will go on throughout life adjusting all perceptions to fit this map. This is what is known as the “Injustice Collector” syndrome (in the language of Dr. Edmund Bergler). The female members of this imprint group become Radical Feminists; the male members are less organized and can be found in fringe groups of the extreme Left and extreme Right.

    Robert Anton Wilson, Prometheus Rising

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´m beginning to think there´s an eternally unbridgeable gulf between us. Or to rephrase Darth Vader, “I find your lack of faith in me boring.”

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >To the “ascendencists” pushing a falling thing down is Satanic.

    Betrays ignorance of traditions. They´re all about pushing what is rotten down.

    Just google St. Michael or Archangel Michael [pun unintended]. Justice stands on the head of the indignant. Even the Alt-R thing is rotten. The supposed “saviors”. Who is not rotten? I await God´s execution.

    To avoid an ignorant answer from you, I´ll also point out that the same is shewed in Germanic and Greek myth.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Betcha didn’t for one second during this whole thread contemplate how you yourself are merely a talking monkey with car keys. This place is all about monkey-izing the other and ennobling one’s inner monkey as a not-monkey. That’ll be real good. When the mob bestows the jeweled crown and there’s a chimp with a shit-eating grin underneath.

    It is abundantly clear that you find the Truth repugnant but I’ll say it anyway: the reason Land nipped the discussion about NRx’s complicity with Cathedralism in the bud the other day is because he has his eye on the paypal monkeys’ banana-piles.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >merely a talking monkey with car keys

    People like you and Michael think you are “calling it” … Yet nobody here makes as many historically erroneous statements & ignorant declarations as you two. You are both pseudoscientific. And pseudophilosophical emotional drama queens. Who, because you do not have the brain development to understand the upper layers of the discussion here, think that we who are saying things beyond you “must be Cathedralists.” Without ever specifying what you mean by that. Of course, one can guess that by that you mean that we aren´t proclaiming loudly brute Americanism (in M´s case) or brute Jew & Negro hating Fascism.

    It is not that I disagree with you on everything, but that how brutish you two are (including repeating error already corrected, shewing a certain recalcitrance against learning and health). Which makes your two´s repeated proclamations of being nothing but monkeys quite correlate.

    You are both atheists, and to the left of the best commentators here. You are simply Leninists for a vague pseudoanthropological horizontal “White race,” far below even the racism of the Schutzstaffel. National-Bolshevist psychopaths full of hate.
    ( Benito Mussolini positively reviewed Stalinism as having transformed Soviet Bolshevism into a Slavic fascism. Et cetera. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism)

    The only person that has showed affinity with you, besides a sore-throated-from-screaming WN nutcase, is Mr. Hickman, who, if you look at his blog, is a stated Leftist Marxist — indeed, a proud, proletariat-intending-to-“save” part of “the Revolution.”
    (https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/letters-to-a-young-communist-is-communism-dead/)

    As Goethe said: elective affinities.

    You have stated that you would be ready to see the White race mix with the Eastern Asian ones.

    Bolshevism of course is Eurasianist.

    Your statements on race, and admiration of Soviet methods, show you are to the left of the NSDAP.

    ▬ “Their anti-democratic, anti-bourgeois, anti-capitalist, pro-Bolshevik movement had a strong socialist and revolutionary character. Incidentally, just as Slavophil diatribes against the “Rotten West” had their roots in “German romanticists’ criticism of the French Enlightenment, of aspects of the French revolution, and of the first glimmerings of modern technical and materialistic thinking” (The Eastern Orthodox Church: Its Thought and Life, p. 190), so National-Bolshevism originated in World War I Germany, where so-called National-conservative authors such as Moller van den Bruck, Karl Radek, and Ernst Niekisch championed Soviet Russia against Western capitalism.”

    [Addendum, just for the sake of History:]

    ▬ “Radek’s journal, entitled ‘Widerstand’, soon became a platform of opposition to all ‘western oriented’ politics and expressed a turn to the East, an Ostorientierung. The influence of the Widerstand-Kreis spread in different directions, towards the Youth Movement and towards the volkische sects, as well as towards the nationalrevolutionar Bewegung of Junger.” (Studies in the Theory of Ideology, p. 215). The importance of National Bolshevism became clear in 1930, when, as abovementioned, Otto Strasser left the NSDAP, to found the ‘Fighting Community of Revolutionary National Socialists’, latter called the ‘Black Front’, whose programme was outwardly socialist. By then, J. Goebbels had unconditionally sided with A. Hitler. In the mid-1920’s, however, he had joined forces with Gregor Strasser, with whom he created and published a semi-monthly periodical, not designed for public consumption. “The first issue appeared on October 1,1925, and the slogan was the “Reconciliation of Socialism with the East.” The program of this group was formulated by Goebbels in the middle of 1925 in an article in the Völkischer Beobachter, where the following statement appeared: “The future lies with the dictatorships of the Socialist idea.” The Strasser-Goebbels group attacked Rosenberg’s anti-Russian and anti-Semitic conceptions. It demanded eastern orientation of the Nazi Party, opposition to American and English imperialism and assistance to Russia’s fight against this imperialism. Germany’s place was on the side of Russia, Turkey, China, India, in short on the side of all those people which are hostile to Versailles. Russia therefore is the natural ally of Germany and it is nobody’s concern how Russia is internally governed (Secret Reports on Nazi Germany, p.157).

    By the time A. Hitler had become Chancellor, National Bolshevik trends were reportedly no longer represented in the NSDAP leadership. Ten years later, the campaign in Russia showed it was not the case: “STALIN knew the value of national myths. According to his political needs, he glorified some Czars, such as Ivan the Terrible or Peter the Great and former Russian military chiefs as Koutousov, Napoleon’s conqueror. At the time of international tension before the Second World War, STALIN sought the support of the population. He had well understood that one day the Red Army would be engaged militarily-and soldiers without a national ideal fight badly. This is why and in the line with ”red patriotism”, during the years of the civil war he re-established the honour of the ideals of former Russia: hence the red army received uniforms fashioned after czarist times. The war that had to be waged, STALIN called the’big patriotic war.’”

    “In the beginning of 1943, after the battle of Stalingrad for the first time a number of high ranking German officers, who rightly felt betrayed and sold by Hitler, capitulated. STALIN, together with the cadres of the KPD harboured in the USSR and Anglo-Saxon countries, decided to win these officers over to soviet objectives and with them the rest of the German prisoners of war. They didn’t do so with the red flag of the Communist world revolution, but with the traditional colours of Germany: black-white-red, while evoking the memory of the German-Russian coalition against Napoleon in 1812 and the German-Russian political alliance with Bismarck around 1880. This is how in Krasnogorsk July 12, 1943 in the model prisoners camp n° 27 close to Moscow, the ”NATIONAL COMMITTEE of FREE GERMANY” was born under the united portraits of LENIN and the German imperial flag. The Committee immediately published a MANIFESTO co-signed by the KPD’s leaders and the German soldiers. The signatures of eleven Communist leaders – amongst whom were PIECK and ULBRICHT- stood by those of 16 soldiers and non-commissioned officers, as well as those of 11 officers- three of them high ranking officials. The Committee was presided by a Communist militant, Erich WEINERT, former fighter in Spain and author of the famous poem ‘Song of the international Brigades.’”

    “Hitler’s adversaries in the officers’ corps, whose adherence was sought after, followed in September 1943 when ”the German Officers UNION” was founded. Then Marshal VON PAULUS, loser at Stalingrad, general VON SEYDLITZS, VON DANIEL, KORFES, LATTMENN and other hundreds of general officers joined the National Committee.”

    ”Hitler’s old adversaries were found there again, such as Ottomar PECH, future general of the NVA, who belonged to the Berliner network of the ”RED ORCHESTRA” controlled by the national ARNACK Bolsheviks and SCHULZE-BOYSEN. Or General Otto KORFES, member of the national-revolutionary group of STAUFFENBERG (his brother-in-law was executed for having participated in the heroic uprising of July 20, 1944).”

    “The propaganda campaign of the ”National Committee”, with its millions of newspaper tracts and the daily calls in Radio Moscow ”to the German people and in the German Wehrmacht”, contributed to the disintegration of the Nazi war machine.” (http://vansternationell.wordpress.com/national-bolshevik-documents/east-german-communitarism-and-european-communitarism-the-national-communist-vision-of-the-other-socialist-and-prussian-germany/)

    Some of these officers, which appeared to have embraced, either out of conviction, or out of necessity, National Bolshevik beliefs, were to serve as a nucleus of the German government, administration and future army of the Federal Republic of Germany ; others, to be instrumental in the setting up the National Democratic Party in East Germany. (Marxism and the reality of power, 1919-1980, p. 117)”
    [End of quote.]

    Incidentally, I saw this accurate point earlier today:

    ▬ “‘Blood and Soil’ is a core value of yours, although you don’t have a garden and would be very confused as to how to even plant or prune a simple tree. You have since long noticed that extracting your food from the soil of the Fatherland requires significantly more efforts and persistence than buying it from the folks at [, so you carefully leave that to the leftist hippies (who curiously seem to have much more success at creating their own autonomous intentional communities).”

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I am willing to discuss though if something like the Soviet Union or the Islamic Republic of Iran would be better for the West than the Cathedral, which is easily arguable since the Cathedral is literally killing our cities all over Western Europe.

    This would include Cosmism, synthesized with Integral Traditionalism.

    https://twitter.com/thelateempire/status/775168278071304192
    Should this link go dead at a later date, it´s the Khomeini offering Gorbachev to make the Soviet Union islamic to revitalize it. “the USSR collapsed two years after Khomeini sent this letter when nobody in the intelligence community saw it coming.” A Chinese-American Right-wing Christian (L. Yee) reports in the thread: “Some Chinese Christians have also publicly called upon the Chinese Communist Party to go Christian.”

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    “I am willing to discuss though if something like the Soviet Union or the Islamic Republic of Iran would be better for the West than the Cathedral”

    I am loyal to Rightism but before that I’m loyal to the Truth. National Bolshevism and Fascism are artefacts to be analyzed objectively for their value and put to use in the political order to come. Likewise with the assorted Leftist bloopers. I mentioned previously that hierarchism and equalism are similar in the sense that they’re both noble lies. Really they’re both dependent on and interrelated with one another. But priestcraft demands that the line is drawn sharply. Ideally we should have no qualms with thought-experiments involving historical leftism and leftism in itself, and in fact empathy toward the enemy should be encouraged. If Equalists run rampant now we don’t want to bleep up in the opposite direction. Imagine a Hierarchist SJW! Actually just look in the mirror! This means it is important to establish a dialectic of hierarchy and equality. Obviously we lean more toward hierarchy now and are destined to be swallowed up by Equalists who will arise to balance our rash hyperbole but God assigns everyone their part in this Tragicomedy and we have ours.

    And Jünger had his:

    “But when the curve of life’s wave swings back to the red line of the primitive, the mask falls, and the Urmensch, the cave dweller breaks forth in the total release of impulse… In battle, the animal ascends as the secret horror at the soul’s base, shooting high as a consuming flame, an irresistible rapture that intoxicates the masses, a godhead enthroned above the hosts.”

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    From the nec plus ultra right, lies are leftism.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    D.W., would you admit to being a Salo type of Fascist?

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  • michael Says:

    @Ahote

    well admin youre right my recent adoption of nigger for all non whites is disrespectful of your blogs esthete its mostly because I have decided to stop pretending they are human and partly because you essentially call all humans niggers and it amuses me that when i call the worst of them so it irks you. But its your blog and i will tone it down.But its also because while I dont consider myself WN or even alt right I do think neo reaction if it is still what it was a couple years ago has to face that it is a philosophy? that can only be supported and instituted by european peoples. the asians will have their own thing and we ought to come to some detente with them maybe. But what i see instead is NRX abandoning HBD and adopting an anti human position. This I warned about years ago I said that thinking would lead to an IQ arms race where eventually theres only one guy left in the patch. Clearly youre fine with that and I just think you should stop posing as someone who is working on human organization.

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  • Outliers (#22) Says:

    […] Emptiness consumes us all, unless we fight back with existential bravery. Who’s up? Masculinity inverted. Media lies. Leftist subversion. Ecocide (viva Linkola et Kaczynski). […]

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  • Worm Says:

    Heidegger, reflecting on Heraclitus’ fragment 53 (“War is the father of all things” in the summer of 1933- 1934), and the need for combat/war/struggle with an internal enemy:

    “The enemy is one who poses an essential threat to the existence of the people and its members. The enemy is not necessarily the outside enemy, and the outside enemy is not necessarily the most dangerous.

    It may even appear that there is no enemy at all. The root requirement is then to find the enemy, bring him to light or even to create him, so that there may be that standing up to the enemy, and so that existence does not become apathetic.

    The enemy may have grafted himself onto the innermost root of the existence of a people, and oppose the latter’s ownmost essence, acting contrary to it.

    All the keener and harsher and more difficult is then the struggle, for only a very small part of the struggle consists in mutual blows; it is often much harder and more exhausting to seek out the enemy as such, and to lead him to reveal himself…

    to avoid nurturing illusions about him, to remain ready to attack, to cultivate and increase constant preparedness and to initiate the attack on a long-term basis, with the goal of total extermination [völligen Vernichtung].”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >The root requirement is then to find the enemy, bring him to light or even to create him, so that there may be that standing up to the enemy

    This standing up to “the enemy” went ‘well’ the last times ze Germans tried it.

    Got them occupied by said enemy, and now chancellor Merkel.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    Heidegger is an ugly mundane Existentialist
    He could as well be a Jew

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The guy looks almost like the pathological sort case Julius Streicher

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Erikson, if anyone in this forum is a Jew it’s you.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    There are actual Jews here, you creep.

    If I was one, I wouldn´t be ashamed nor hide it, you shifty omega male freak

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Ever the ’tistic idiot, this takes the cake. Daughter of Eric wouldn’t know the first thing about fundamental ontology, aka, close Gnon-detection.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´re such a slimeball that you think very honest individualistic people are autistic. Not nothing that hasn´t been seen before. In fact very common, for trolls to think good people are autistic.

    Instead of trolling, argue for your pseudophilosophical nihilistic literary verbiage positions.

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  • Worm Says:

    That’s the orthodox version of history, written by the victors.

    But a revisionist history is coming, and may have already started, with books such as Richard Tedor’s Hitler’s Revolution.

    A 5 second Internet search turned up the following review on some website called goodreads dot com:

    “[Hitler’s Revolution]…..describing how Adolf Hitler overcame Germany’s bankruptcy, massive unemployment and exploitation by Western high finance to restore public prosperity and international influence during the mid-1930 s.

    Challenging democracy, he shaped a diametrical philosophy of life that experienced widespread approval in his own country and limited acceptance in other European lands. Regarding the German social and economic renaissance as a threat to their political and commercial interests, Western statesmen opposed Hitler’s peacetime diplomacy and prepared for war. Passages cited from period German publications and speeches, most of which are unavailable in English, offer penetrating insight into the National Socialist creed and the waning age of European nationalism.

    The author critically examines the supposedly idealistic motives of members of the German resistance, whose covert sabotage of the war effort is overlooked by military historians. A fresh perspective based on research from over 200 published volumes, the majority in German language, as well as on documents from British, Russian and U.S. archives.”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Evola was already criticizing “Right” socialists before they had lost, and before even the war! Now why would he do that? He diagnosed 5.000 years of non-socialist civilizations.

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  • Worm Says:

    (N) G. Eiríksson Says: “Heidegger is an ugly mundane Existentialist….He could as well be a Jew”

    then you’re misreading Heidegger

    “….declines the gambit, shows fatigue….”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    He´s a nihilist. And the Nazis were nihilists.

    There´s a reason history is written by the victors: because they´re not the losers.

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  • Worm Says:

    @ N.G. Eriksson

    Don’t worry, I’m no Nazi, and was just fucking with you.

    My real name is Rothsteinberg, and I work for the ADL.

    I monitor “alternative blogs” for any signs of hatespeech or anti-semitism.

    The way this works is I casually slip in one or two comments expressing some measure of sympathy for the Nazis, however slight.

    Then I wait for the result….

    Unless that Nazi comment is IMMEDIATELY condemned, and in no uncertain terms, then I report the blog to the ADL, and we assign a member of our team to monitor it 24/7

    Congratulations!

    Because guess what, this blog has passed the ADL test with flying colors, and you’re free to get on with your commenting.

    But if you spot any commenters here suspected of being Nazi sympathizers, or notice any anti-semitic incidents anywhere, take ACTION and report it to:

    Rothsteinberg at ADL dot org

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Irony is a form of nihilism, you know.

    Dick Trollenstein.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    You bend like a molten paper clip. Inauthentic.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Bend how? According to your subjective standard you can mentally perceive anything as bending, no matter how straight.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Are you even conscious of how often you back out of argumentation?

    Just because you listen to so-called Classical music and like to read “philosophy” and literature, you believe you are superior? You´re like a caricature from a Hollywood movie. One is reminded of 1998´s «Apt Pupil».

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    @ Cryptogen, since admin has already said (twice actually, I see looking at older comments) it is his preference, how about sticking to a single username you “no bloodlines in the future” bastard?

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    You must not have an ear for the differing cadences of personalities. Or is it that you hear what you want to hear and you can’t bear that multiple people are pillorying you you utter schlub?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I suspected this would come.

    You two have so many similarities, like “not believing in race.” They´re all documented in your own comments. Both nihilists, both listen to Classical music, hate “niggers” and Jews, both Heidegger fans, total literary dorks, both got riled up when I shot at the idol Heidegger, and many more. Both have attacked Land.

    Both these sockpuppets…

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´re a pathological case who hugely overestimates your own smartness, and underestimates (and are unable to even see) how others see through you. One is tempted to think that the autism that these two sockpuppets keeps mentioning, is something that this one dork failed puppetmaster is, or was called, in his school environment.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    What is sad, bordering on humiliating, about you is that I’m probably over a decade younger than you and yet your uncreative, off-target cheapshots consistently leave me unfazed. There are people whose comments I’d be afraid to click but with you there’s zero mysterium tremendum et fascinans, you’re just amusing, like Admin’s personal little half-parrot half-poodle guardbird.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    OK. Can you stop the trolling from now on, and just do philosophical argumentation?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Granted that you have a far higher I.Q., but you really have some worrying similarities with Elliot Rodger. Totally warped relation-to-other & understanding-of-self. Huge inferiority complex that comes out as malignant narcissism (pathos. Self-sabotaging hatred of the other. “Niggers.”)

    He was the ‘Supreme Gentleman’ you are the Wagnerian ‘ubermensch’.

    He had his BMW, you have your Classical music and literary figures.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/ElliotRodger

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    I’m too busy saving your daughter from mudsharking for philosophy.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yet you have time for trolling? Look, someone needs to reach you. There´s a bright young man in there that could have a positive influence on the world.

    The things I said about Heidegger, being a mere Existentialist and a nihilist, these are things I can argue for. Not for vain “philosophy”, but exactly for improving the lot of civilization.

    Firstly, it ain´t philosophy if it ain´t about the Good as those who coined the term meant it.

    Aristotle was known as the Philosopher in the West, for how long, a 1.000 years?

    That I am merely “Land´s puppy” or whatever how you phrased it is observably wrong in that I am a Western traditionalist.

    I think ‘the Good’ is more actualized through Free Association and other Anarcho-Capitalist like concepts.

    However, my Germanic-Roman aristocratic tradition makes me ‘dark’ for most other Anarcho-Capitalists. And my Anarcho-Capitalism makes me ‘dark’ for some Christians.

    Land is a pretty unique thinker. But he´s not so unique that nobody can have cognate ideas without being his ‘fan’ or whatever.

    I´m nobody´s ‘fan’ so far as that means anything more than valuing what I may perceive as valuable works.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Heidegger is a nihilist insofar as he was a historicist. The standard criticism leveled against him is that if historicism is the alpha and the omega then historicism itself is merely historically-situated. This is fine and dandy; he was, following Nietzsche’s philosophy of Becoming, merely being honest, or at least more honest than Plato/nism for the masses was. H and N alongside their alleged relativism also posited eternal structures, for N the eternal return e.g., for H “thrownness” (which separates him from existentialism proper), Angst, being-toward-death, etc. If philosophy is about the Good then to hell with philosophy, philosophy should be about the Truth, not to mention Beauty.

    Aristotle was “the” philosopher to cushion the blow to Revelation that the twin pagan threat Plato AND Aristotle would’ve presented:

    “Although it is not reasonable to suggest that Arab and Muslim philosophers were totally ignorant of those differences and disagreements [between Plato and Aristotle], one must recognize that their writings present the modern reader with a difficult problem. Many of them appear more interested in stressing the unity of the philosophic tradition than with explaining its diversity; they tend to hide rather than publicize differences of opinion about difficult and unresolved issues in philosophy. Not being modern historians of philosophy, they were concerned primarily with the issues themselves rather than with their genesis. And they seem to have thought it more important that the potential philosopher not be discouraged by disagreements among philosophers and fall prey to the doctrines of the skeptics and the preaching of those who claimed that disagreements among philosophers prove that philosophy is a fruitless enterprise.”

    There is a resonating trace of this sort of maneuver on this blog i/r/t Moldbug. Notice He is King, whereas the aristocrats Plato, Nietzsche, Evola, etc. are several leagues wiser?

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >If philosophy is about the Good then to hell with philosophy, philosophy should be about the Truth

    That you think the Truth and the Good are opposites, or an either-or, just makes me conclude what I had suspected about the gulf between us. Good and Truth (bonum and verum) are unum. They are one and the same.

    As for this blog, it restricts itself to a certain tradition of Newtonian mechanics. I really don´t get your trouble with it.

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    @(N) G. Eiríksson

    I just think you’re autistic.

    I also play piano and have a STEM job. Enjoy the view of my Goodyear-welted Italian soles, nobody.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You could be the sultan of an Arabic kingdom but you´re still a scumbag.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    http://gph.is/XGJeHj

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Please refrain from such a low standard of commenting.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Ever since this “talking monkeys with car keys” post I’ve been wondering–are a lot of you guys psychonauts? I was detached from humanity before psychedelics, but after… let’s just say they pushed me far over the edge. Too bad a few of us couldn’t trip out this fine Halloween and do some satanic sacrifice stuff in a forest. Oh well

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