Quote note (#295)

A committed Clinton supporter (really) outlines the bright prospects for her administration:

… The rest is just a blur. There was so much violence in so many places across the country. […] Then the stock market crashed. Trillions of dollars were lost, mutual funds tanked, and Occupy Wall Street was instantly revived — in New York City, most spectacularly (the day after the crash, 75,000 people effectively shut down the city south of Chambers Street), but also in other cities and on college campuses across the country. […] The violence escalated from there over the following weeks. And then came martial law. …

(“The State of our Union is Strong.”)

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    This is what Leftists hope for: sudden confrontation.

    The reality is a slow, gradual, incremental slide to Brazil.

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    neovictorian23 Reply:

    Brett: A significant minority of Americans have a lot more gumption and guns than Brazilians ever did. But your right; this is Progressive fantasy about them being the Good Ones. The post-2018 part won’t happen, because the imposition of martial law by Hillary would trigger secession in several states, in my opinion.

    At any rate, the slow slide scenario doesn’t match my perception of the White Remnant character.

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    smg Reply:

    Question is, have white Americans been decultured & deracinated sufficient to prevent a backlash. We do love our guns & God with more dedication than Europeans or Brits. My guess it there’ll be a fuse. Something like a SCOTUS decision limiting 2a or a reach-around attempt to regulate guns via ammo or lawsuits targeting manufacturers. Another fuse is immigration. Watching thousands pour over the Southern border, many of them now from Haiti, Cuba, Africa, fills most of us with rage. The right & alt-right has been completely gas-lit now. If Hillary attempted to shore up popularity & restrain crazies on left demanding gibs, speech codes, and gun control, they might be able to keep it together for 4 more years. Hahahahaha. But the left can’t control itself & they’ll keep pushing – keep gaslighting. And this is just commenting on domestic policy. If we get further into another shooting war with . . whoever, who’s gonna serve?

    The article never mentioned immigration, not once. Immigration & the 2a are the red lines for Red America and limitless immigration is a sure thing with Hillary, so conflict is gonna happen.

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    ” The worse it gets, the better it will be.”

    It is a hard call to make: do you want collapse, so that order will emerge? Or, do you want to take a slow, careful gradualist approach?

    The problem is one of time and space. Space can be recovered, time never, and time is running out. Immigration is out of control, demographic collapse, SJWs are proliferating; Islam is growing; the blacks are getting riled, the Mexicans smell blood, and the liberals are out to lunch.

    The Thucydidean trap: the dominant but declining power of the OVs and the rising, resentful, righteous and raging BDHs.

    My Dark Enlightenment is the realisation that people — the vast majority — are beyond reason. When once factors in IQ, personality and horror of horrors race, then we have the dark conclusion.

    Strike now, from the position of strength, but risk losing everything. Or, wait and eventually lose it all.

    That is the dillema.

    Is it better that Trump loses? Perhaps, if that article play out and Trump does build his media empire and if this happens:

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    michael Reply:

    you are right time decay is key, we are not looking like Brasil we are looking like south africa. Theres a point where you realize you hoped too long. if 49% are voting for trump and 95% of them are white thats more than enough.But for what? sure if somehow it could be provoked its actually enough of the right sort [the most well armed and the most civilized] to kill em all. But thats a big if, so probably not a good first choice. what other choices are there though.
    Liberals really really are stupid to wish for this they will be trapped between the well armed whites and their apemen, they are the least capable of surviving any prolonged unrest for too many reasons to list and the cops and military are going to be protecting not hipsterville but their own neighborhoods.
    I think the hispanics could be sent running very easilly as long as they are given a safe exit path. the blacks are going to riot but that will not effect a war only trapped yuppies lol. how alienated and infiltrated the police and mil is a good question. again while i dont think its the first choice it also shouldnt be dismissed because well its actually that late in the game.you dont come back from demographic collapse.
    I disagree about the stupidity of the average person its been a major effort to brainwash even enough whites to make it look good and swing a vote with a 40% minority population. most white americans have consistently asked for less liberalism, sure less is reletive and even the conservative 60% are feeling the frog boil, but even the liberals are really just being manipulated. the manipulation is really fantastic and i cant blame most liberals they are brainwashed from preschool, evolutionary traits are repurposed to move them emotionally and to trigger traits like tribalism [yeah that] alpha beta dynamics, and we have been breeding betas for hundreds of years while our minorities are doing the opposite so fear, theres a thousand reasons whites liberals are frozen in their tracks.
    smart people could start to turn this around yeah it might take some wet work at times but the prime force would be psychological to reframe. attacking te systems infrrastructure might be wise their technology is really out of control opticon that can be done from a leftist false flag perspective both physical cyber and 4g,
    its silly trying to argue in a comment what could be done the point is millions of smart things could be done without an ounce of violence even the war is easily winnable the problem is admitting where we are at and finding the resolve and courage. those opposed to any violence ought to be most energized to start a non violent overthrow NOW.

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    the stakes aren’t as high as the media hype would suggest

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  • Malcolm Pollack Says:

    Actually, not an implausible scenario. There are scores of millions who will not sit quietly waiting for New Brazil.

    At least dissolution might lead to reconstitution. Brazil is just “heat death”.

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    Lesser Bull Reply:

    Those scores of millions are sitting pretty damn quietly waiting right now.

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    grey enlightenment Reply:

    if Americans were going to rebel en masse they would have done so in the late 1970’s -a period of high inflation and much worse economy. Or maybe the 30’s, which were much worse.

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    michael Reply:

    it only takes a spark we are a tinder box, you want it to happen incite the blacks to do something heinous enough. the better question is, is that the best option or can the cathedral be taken another way.
    here just imagine you were convinced the cathedral had to be stopped [maybe they are degrading your broadband or outlawing fedoras] and you determined armed revolution were impossible. or pretend its a video game you play, how would you go about it? do you seriously believe the cathedral is unbeatable i think they are a pushover by any number of means.I think all it would take is neo inaction to turn neo reactionary

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    We’d be imprisoned and stamped “white supremacist/fascist cult” and down the memory-hole we’d go–or worse, we’d serve as a Hitlerian what-not-to-do exemplar of evil irrationality for the educational nourishment of the good children of the Cathedral. For now all we can do is study material and intellectual history until one of us is inspired by Zeus to write a quasi-biblical reactionary samizdat that captures the soul of the masses. This could be as simple and terse as the Tao Te Ching or it could be like 9 seasons of a right-wing version of Seinfeld. Or nuclear fallout and its consequential desperation will prime people for the Shepherds.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >quasi-biblical

    this is the task.

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    I still don’t get why admin abhors the subordination of intelligence. The telos of Zarathustra is to descend the mountain, the telos of Nietzsche is to write Thus Spoke Zarathustra. The eternal return of the small and the botched was MOST tortuous for Z to will, and I’m sure for a lot of us here as well. It reminds me of when Bataille said “Communist workers appear to the bourgeois to be as ugly and dirty as hairy sexual organs, or lower parts”–which is a sublimated form of gnostic (or for that matter puritanical) body-denial. But even AIs will have bodies; to be is to be incarnated.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >”the subordination of intelligence”

    i think there is a misunderstanding here. intelligence is not subordinateable.

    frank Reply:

    Trump’s working on setting a preference cascade in motion: “I know it, you know it, everybody knows it”.

    If 2-3 simultaneous and credibly serious secessionist movements erupt, the mind control machine will rev out of control. They have to shut the counter-propaganda down, which means cutting off internet and possibly martial law. In an environment where trust in media is in the single digit percents, this overreaction would create hundreds of McVeighs with remotely controlled drones. They could make life of government employees and journalists (>implying they’re not government employees) extremely unpleasant.

    Now note that this is not your usual right-wing insurgency against Cathedral in a foreign land. This is US army, manned by high T white boys, against high T white americans in America of 2016 wherein white boys’ support for Trump is proportional to their T levels. Also note that this time, there’s a real possibility that Russia or China could patronize anti-Cathedral forces. I’d say in the Civil War 2.0 racists have a real chance. How ironic that the POTUS would be in Assad’s current position in this scenario. I’m sure Russian and Chinese media would gladly invert anti-Assad anti-muh-barrel-bombs Cathedral propaganda against it.

    An armed assassination attempt against Trump could be the spark that starts the fire. Russia could orchestrate a false-flag in this vein, before, or after the election — especially if they believe Hillary really means what she says against them.

    Xoth Reply:

    DDoS the EBT system for a week and see what happens. Or hack it and award half the population the EBT bucks of the other half.

    Malcolm Pollack Reply:

    If we actually want to predict whether it’s going to be dissolution or Heat Death, we need a metric for tinder-boxiness.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    From Objekt #1 (2011) on Objekt.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t42BUNSju1E

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    michael Reply:

    Tunisian fruit monger self-immolates 200 years of conventional wisdom on middle east goes up in smoke with him

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    michael Reply:

    @ dick wagnor

    it seems if im not prepared to single handedly devise the cathedral counter in every detail any argument no matter how laden with suggestions about how to counter them non [muh militia] will be interpreted as mu militia.
    for the 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 time there are many ways they could be fought seriously fought between muh militia and neo inactionaryism i suggest we are on the eve of destruction[ that used to be a given in the dark enlightenment] and so waiting for muh AI robot army is well you know what it is you feel it in your panties. all I ask is some smart guys take this seriously and start brainstorming like your lives depend upon it. Ok I was wrong I thought reaction was going to be a better path than whats called alt right just dont whine when they get to write the rules

    Dick Wagner Reply:

    michael you trash talk like a plumber plunges BBCs down the toilet drain. One point I agree with you is that genetic demographics cannot be replaced. The whites are being polluted and eventually there will be no more whites. Well, except for, as Jim calls the survivors, “oddball types, subscribers to reactionary and rather silly religions in barren edge regions like Alaska”. So the genes that made Shakespeare and Goethe are gone. Do we want our grandkids bumping uglies with eskimos? Would an aryan-robot breed with an eskimo-robot is the bottom line here. The order of rank is eternal and if it matters for robots it matters for monkeys.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    you both are horribly repetitive. michael has made essentially the same message dozens of times, and Dick Wagner is on his heels somewhere.

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/19/fed-risks-repeating-lehman-blunder-as-us-recession-storm-gathers/

    ……Then Hilary and Modern Struture will get the blame and that will serve as the cause belli.

    Seems like Carlyle was right: America will have to wrestle with these two serpents “born of mud.”

    P.S

    Trump said in his debate last night that he was “keeping everyone in suspense” as to if would concede if he lost.

    Interesting Time Gang.

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  • Etiologist Says:

    There really should be a requirement to read the article before commenting.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    what specifically in the article are you referring to?

    that´s no argument.

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    Zimriel Reply:

    I did RTFA. I think it’s mostly implausible.

    Donald J Trump is already elderly and he isn’t going to go demagogue if he loses by nine points. He’s going to shore up his legacy which means his son. I won’t say I’ve “met” the younger one, but I *have* seen him speak. He doesn’t offer anything to the table on his own. I’m not seeing in him much of the charisma his parents passed down. More likely for that family is a slow withdrawal from their US interests, very possibly to the Black Sea.

    The Drumpfs are not going to be our men on the horses.

    What *is* plausible is the ongoing suck of the Hillary Presidency, along with a broken GOP and millions of armed and permanently disenfranchised white boys. I don’t want to say what happens beyond that.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Dark Reformation, et al. I think you´d enjoy “Playing Mind Games: Tactical PsyOp in WWII” – Dr. Joseph R. Fischer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8WbhL2Ino

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  • Dick Wagner Says:

    One thing the right doesn’t face is why the left came about in the first place. It was because of the right, wasn’t it? Was Frederick the Great really that great judging by what followed after him? Moldbug isn’t the end, one day there will be an Übermencius. No one ever anticipates paradigm shifts – that’s the very nature of a paradigm shift; eventually Mildbug is going to be leapfrogged, along with HBD, and the hole mindset that spawned them. Or what–is Neoreaction the pinnacle of progress on the way to John Calvin the Joseph Smith of Frogressivism? Here’s a synchronicity: St. Nick. Is Nick Land going to degenerate into a Santa Claus myth someday? Theology is always there but never acknowledged – why’s that? Every generation considers itself in-the-know, that means even this one! Why didn’t admin write part C to the Interlude on Freedoom? Because freedom is doomed to be doomed. You knew Calvin was going to rule the world by his hand https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/John_Calvin_by_Holbein.png/800px-John_Calvin_by_Holbein.png

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    there are some authors on the right who write about the origin of the left. the simplistic divide is symptomatic of the autism of modernity. all the fundamental leftie processes proceed their (recent) designation as Left.

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    michael Reply:

    the left ratchet is the only direction to turn once a civilization is optimized. At which point Bright young things who have no inkling of what it took to build a civilization want to make their mark on the world,simply keeping tuned the successful machine their elders built does not grant glory. They begin to question the diminishing return curves with the careless math of someone whos life never depended on getting the math correct. When their returns diminish they dont accept they were wrong they instead develop a new policy to fix that and so on.They come from a land of plenty and can not understand limitations. To them anything is fixable. the ratchet turns left because its the only direction it can turn and then it cant stop.

    uhh no moldbug is even all that hes jus a clever guy that found a way to talk some liberals into reason without triggering them.The entire cathedral meme is hardly original the right has complained of it for decades and the left still feigns to be fighting the establishment the man the whatever. the power centers of a civilization will support the hegemonic ideology of that civilization, the left marched through those power centers, the right including neo inaction is too civilized to take the ground back so is locked out. what moldbug does with the Protestantism meme is really done better more accurately by Nietzche as slave morality or even by the alt right as cuckism. because its Christianity generally not simply Protestantism but because of MM a decade had been wasted on larping throne and alter. MM is wrong about democracy, there zero evidence that democracy is anything more than just another pwnd cover leftism uses to justify its actions, it rode christianity till it was dead and has transferred most of those moral trappings to democracy, but the reality the people who were once christians and are now democratists consistently have resisted leftism, its not mobs of proles pushing leftism its cabals of high IQ elites pushing it. democracy gets in their way so they increasingly game democracy with courts immigration and election fraud without even getting into the mind control which is 75% of their energy yet still yields a minority of white votes.
    Moldbug had an idea we call cameralism a decade almost later and no one can really even describe it in practice except in scifi terms of basically giving soros and clinton and gates and musk a patch of land where they rule absolutely over modern serfs enforced by crypto lock AI robot armies- or something. I guess you all beleive you too will invent face book or something and get your own patch because no man is going to voluntarilly sign up for serfdom. -ok we wont get into the whole freedom power yad yada issue because its a waste the niggers are overunning us here and now theres never going to be AI robot armies if something isnt done now , because no ones going for that high tech serfdom in fact thats what we are fighting against, and mainly because theres a simpler way.
    moldbugs correct the problem is the diffusion of power to those without skin in the game. hes way off about what constitutes skin because he convinced the idaho farm boy manning the nuclear subs in the china sea defending the tankers full of Iphones and oil,is a political liability that will vote for free shit. The reverse is true its apple and exon that are voting for free shit and the idaho farm boy is still serving the nation,No ones saying the farm boys and jobs contributions are equal just the dividends are not equaitable you cant make iphones even conceive of them without idaho farm boys manning guns. hes got skin in the game. Imagine you wake up and find that from now on only net taxpayers can vote on how to spend taxes and only on the taxes they paid, which means government can not borrow print or owe itself it cant spend money of unborn taxpayers it can only spend the taxes paid by the people voting.LIBERALISM DISAPEARES IMMEDIATELY. the leftiest leftist is never going to choose some hair brained scheeme over his own self interest with real money, hes not voting for wefare mom babysitting over AP courses in suburbia, or less cops and more sociual workers. leftism is the product of the illusion of unlimited time andd money other peoples money. This would actually be cameralism thats possible.Obviously there will be racial inequality if we remain multicultural, whites can not handle watching suffering and for a thousand other non hateful reasons we need some form of white nationalism. sorry if thats seems lowbrow but even rednecks can be right sometimes even if for wrong reasons multiculturalism can ot stand the differences are too great and innate racial competition makes for unstable civilization.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    “no man is going to voluntarily sign up for serfdom”

    Not if it’s called serfdom

    “Here we must beware of superficiality and get to the bottom of the matter, resisting all sentimental weakness: life itself is essentially appropriation, injury, overpowering of what is alien and weaker; suppression, hardness, imposition of one’s own forms, incorporation and at least, at its mildest, exploitation–but why should one always use those words in which a slanderous intent has been imprinted for ages?” (BGE)

    Eventually we could be more honest but speaking practically, since most people have been thoroughly indoctrinated to be diehard democrats they’re going to have to be duped. After a couple generations of gradual, de- and re-brainwash maybe humanity will be more aligned with reality so that they can look at their lot in life and say Yes, plebeian or patrician. The problem with our gulagbound Marxist pals (choo choo) is they teach the people an unjust type of justice, as ntzsch says, they teach the worker envy and revenge against the commanders (or as MM amusingly called them, the pilots), a dis and malcontentment with his small existence. If we had a reality-based Cathedral we could use media and education to emblazon AFFIRMATION OF ONE’S PLACE in the socius. Of course no one will sign up for serfdom now, you act like since people won’t they must be right to not–well, they’ve been poorly trained, they’re ideological cripples, in a word, nihilists. The tricky part is transitioning the mob from denial of the ontological fact that the fabric of reality is Commanding and Obeying to acceptance–and even love–of Obeisance. If people were remade to be leftist they can be deremade to be rightist. As Foseti once said, one generation pretends, the next generation actually believes. We get one generation of larper serfs, the next generation serfs. Indeed, we are that first generation, hence my repeated insistence that Hierarchy is a noble lie.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    Schopenhauer–two perspectives on the order of rank:

    “Nature is aristocratic, more so than any feudal or caste system. Accordingly, her pyramid rises up from a very broad base to a very sharp apex. Even if the mob and rabble who will tolerate nothing over them succeeded in overthrowing all aristocracies, they would still have to allow this one to exist; and for this they shall get no reward; for it is quite properly ‘by the grace of God’.”

    “Let us take rank first, as it may be dismissed in a few words, although it plays an important part in the eyes of the masses and of the philistines, and is a most useful wheel in the machinery of the State. It has a purely conventional value. Strictly speaking, it is a sham; its method is to extract an artificial respect, and, as a matter of fact, the whole thing is a mere farce.”

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    interesting. the first Commies in Russia were lefties. but as time passed on the became more right. now they are a catholic orthodox autocracy.

    Xoth Reply:

    Serfs are a liability, so who wants them?

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    @Erikisson

    Nice link.

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  • Erebus Says:

    If nothing else, that article works perfectly as a prequel to this pulp novel.

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  • michael Says:

    @

    Dick
    yeah Im frustrated and it shows as i said ill have to accept soon that NRX is not ever going to be what it once promised. The Inaction was in the moldbug mix, things changed a lot I thought reaction would understand that i was wrong.Its a catch 22 the type of people who might be able to come up with a peacful or at least violent transition are the ones least disposed to action. and the opposite is true as well. Your writing off the entire european race at this point without a fight or even a regret is frankly disgusting its exactly the mentality of the most debauched leftists, its og well nothing can be done in the current year. I have always had this problem where i assume inteligence and insanity are mutually exclusive so i argue till blue in the face with crazy intelligent people. When I see a bunch of obviously smart guys who have no illusions it seems about HBD and are confident in the immanence [pun intended] of technology that is so far away as to be pretty ridiculaous but simultaneously shrug that its impossible to stop a bunch of zulus and amazonians from overwhelming the entire european race – well i just think you need a little nudge it never occurs to me youre simply out of your fucking minds. stopping the cathedral is orders of magnitude of orders of magnitude easier than building robot armies with crypto locks to defend your new system of serfdom.
    That no matter how many times I ;just to get my general idea across throw out a few suggestions like developing media and communication not controllable by the cathedral in order to buy time, or decide how reactionary patriarchy would be practiced so if there were a power inflection we had a policy to offer. It always uniformly reflected back as i want you all to go out into the woods with your ARs and take on the special forces.Is it because I insist that would be better than dying like women and slaves? I figured out the cathedral in 78 by the time I got to north idaho in 92 all the rednecks you all laugh at had it down better than even i did it took me another 10 years to figure out how it was possible the biggest capitalists and communists could possibly be in conspiracy together. so for all your moldbuggian superiority youre all way behind the curve.you dont need crypto locks and weird new forms of manoralism, democracy is not the cause stupid white people are not the cause, stupid white people have been voting against the cathedral since forever. its smart people with weird ideas about new forms of serfdom that are the problem, reactionaries are a new variant. This particular landian strain the most bizzare of them all. Thats not to say moldbug had no game at all, but to take him as gospel and martyr yourselves and the rest of us in his name , well im not kidding theres something very suspicious that a bunch of very beta nerd types has adopted this excuse that both excuses their lack of fight and tells them they are superior for this cowardice.Any way youre wrong which you would know if you ever left your computer screens urban cafes and hipster towns, whites are going to fight and win the armed forces will be on the peoples sides and reaction is not ready with one concrete suggestion for policy, Its probably going to be violent because smart people are all dodging the draft that blood will be on the hands of those who could have found another way not on the hands of those who did what had to be done.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    NRx didn´t promise anything.

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    michael Reply:

    it promises Gnon HBD that men will defend their lives but “men” are not defending their lives.
    which brings us to another problem of neo inaction: capitalism is problematic if men dont act rationally. Personally I think those on the alt right that lean socialist are REALLY wrong on this , but it was years before there was such a ethnat alt reich that HBD and reason revealed to me problems with capitalism that need to be faced as well as other problem of human behavior traits expressed economically that need to be faced.To be clear those problems could e faced and we could still have much much freer markets than today if thats not saying much then to be clear we could have almost pure capitalism but we still have to face fact first and one fact is humans are not yet optimized for capitalism maybe never maybe possible not desirable doesnt matter
    monarchy was abolished because of this, even moldbug is clear that a patch lord would answer to a board of diectors so really please enough of the crypto lock hes just suggesting a stronger constitution but in a way that completely impossible to implement technically and politically

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >”it promises Gnon HBD that men will defend their lives but “men” are not defending their lives.”

    i´ve defended my life a few times.

    michael Reply:

    and BTW Thats the exact snark that makes neo inaction a really stupid waste of time this one hand clapping crap.Go ahead explain how nrx is meaningless yet meaningful without the reconstruct speak thats like some nightmarish redux of the franjkfurt school

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    your brain needs to conceive of that ideas need to spread first

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    Lucian Reply:

    The Moldbuggian formula is “Become worthy, accept power,” not complete inaction.

    Michael, the question is are YOU worthy? If so, then go and take power. If not, stop signalling that you’re in any way more active or productive than every other Internet addict in the Alt-Right/NRx.

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    Jesus H. Christ, it seems many people still haven’t grasped who are the principal exponents of the massive non-White immigration invasion into White countries and of course only into White countries.

    Examples include Job Cohen in Holland, Barbara Spectre in Sweden, Ervin Kohn in Norway, Anneta Kahane, Angela Merkel and Gregor Gysi in Germany, Gerald Kaufman and David Cameron in England, Ronit Lentin and Alan Shatter in Ireland, and George Soros and Larry Summers in the USA.

    Just a few examples….

    And the motivation behind it is very simple, really…. mass third world immigration to Europe and the USA is to prevent anything like this from ever happening again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NblOHH6327Y

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    apologies for posting the comment above on the wrong thread, before reposting to Sentences #77

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  • jack arcalon Says:

    The only possible solution is more radicalism by those who oppose the dominant religion of political correctness.
    A total refusal to cooperate with this religion, and to counter it in every way possible, regardless of the personal costs.

    That’s it. Nothing else can work.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    it can actually be co-opted by the master-logic that i deploy.

    i´m just too lazy to strive at it.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    @Jack Arcalon, philosophy has been about compromise since day one. There’s no good reason not to be a sneaky little crypto-fascist. The only alternative is pissing and moaning from the sideline. The system can be infiltrated, but a mask and double-mask is required. The hazard is, in pretending, one can lose one’s soul, forget it’s all an act, and morph into the Man without realizing it, dying on one’s deathbed a prog with a clean conscience. Espionage is possible, corrupting the youth in subtle ways is possible. Whereas radicalist subversion from outside is effortlessly subdued.

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    Dick Wagner Reply:

    “No sooner did Anaxagoras, the first philosopher, arrive in Athens, than the Athenian populace began reacting with an unparalleled sentiment of uneasiness. The Greeks found a word in their language to categorize the varieties of human conduct that elicited this displeasure: they called it excessive. Aristotle explicitly relates that the populace criticized men like Anaxagoras and Thales because the latter busied themselves with extravagances. The word he used does not translate readily into our tongues because of its numerous semantic overtones. On the one hand it signifies an extraordinary act or work of laudatory value, and on the other it denotes excessive, extravagant, and particularly in the religious sense, improper and hence sacrilegious conduct. Pedro Simon Abril, a sixteenth-century Spanish humanist, and a translator of the Ethics, translated ‘extravagance’ in this passage as ‘knowing too much.’ To my mind that is the closest translation.
    As soon as the populace became aware of the ‘thinker’ as a figure, the latter’s position altered radically, for the social reaction was negative and the thinker in his action had to resort to certain precautionary defenses. The religious attitude prevailed with full force among the Athenian populace. This conviction included the belief that certain earthly secrets existed which warranted the respect of mortals, inasmuch as any knowledge of them was the privilege of the gods. Hence, Athenians believed that all attempts to scrutinize these secrets were tantamount to disbelief in the gods.”

    Jose Ortega y Gasset, The Origin of Philosophy

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    ▬ The criticism launched by Pythagorians, Eleates, Ionians at the Homeric pantheon was not unjustified, since this pantheon testifies to pre-Hellenic non Aryan influences ; rather, it was illegitimate, since, instead of being made on the basis of a higher conception of the sacred, it was built on a truly Semitic approach of it; it was built on and could not but be built on such approach, for the simple reason that most of the so-called pre-Socratic philosophers were of Semitic origin. These had put forward so many contradictory notions that a school had to emerge to wipe out their shaky systems. Sophism developed from the endless arguments which dogmatism based on abstract subtleties gave rise to, only to pave the way to the seeming simplicity of Socrates’ humanistic method. Socrates may be considered as the one who “revealed the moral God” and who introduced the subjectivist standpoint into the Greek cosmos. Socrates claims to have the utmost respect for Athenian laws, preaches obedience to authority, and pretends to accept that laws are of divine institution and to respect the gods of the city-state, but, above the laws of the city-state, he points at laws supposedly engraved by God in the heart of all men and which require the same things in all countries. His morality is subversive in that it does not only seek to regulate, as did Greek political right, the bonds between citizens and the state, but to establish a universal morality, duties reciprocally binding all men ; that is precisely why Socrates declared himself to be a “citizen of the world”. He laid in Greece the foundations for the doctrine of universal brotherhood, which, having been professed by Platonism and then consecrated by Christianity, later gave birth to “natural law”, whose doctrine was not developed until modern times. In all these regards, Socrates’ teaching reflects his racial pedigree.

    Plato, a student of Socrates, “continued the philosophy of [the latter] and struck traditional mythology a blow from which it never recovered. He combined some of the theories of Pythagoras with those of Cratylus and Heraclitus and so composed a body of doctrine in which he introduced the morality of Socrates”. (L.-F. Alfred Maury, Histoire des religions de la Grèce antique, 1859) Indeed, Platonism is based on Reason and inner conscience. Plato’s political views represent a destructive criticism against Athenian politics. Sure, the city-state is divided into four classes : labourers, artisans, whose respective function is to work and obey warriors and magistrates, who are respectively in charge of defending and of ruling the city-state. Prudence is the virtue of the magistrate, courage, the attribute of warriors ; temperance consists in the subordination of the lower classes to the upper classes ; justice lies in the accomplishment by each class of its own function and in the harmonious cooperation between each for a single purpose. Unity is the true good of the city-state. As much these views fit perfectly within traditional Greek policy, as much the views, expressed in the Republic, that the two obstacles to this unity is family and property, regarded as principles of division and enmity, are highly seditious. Everything must be common : property, women, children. True community can only be achieved if the government is in the hands of philosophers : – implicitly – of foreigners. Plato makes hospitality to these an obligation : “Our city should receive all strangers of either sex who come from other countries.”. “For the stranger having no kindred and friends, is more to be pitied by gods and men. Wherefore, also, he who is able to assist him is more zealous in his cause.” The stranger “ought to have entertainment provided them at the temples by hospitable persons, and the priests and ministers of the temples should see and attend to them.” We are here light years away from Aristotle, who, according to Diogenes Laertius, believed the activity of philosophy to have originated in Barbarians, and whose own philosophy, leaving aside its ethical aspect, with its eudemonism, a typical feature of all ancient philosophical schools, is almost completely free from exotic influences.

    The doctrines of the Stoics did not contain much that had not already been taught by their predecessors. Stoicism focused on certain aspects of the doctrine of their predecessors and push their ideas to their logical consequences ; for example, the Stoic emphasis on introspection and self-examination contributed to the acknowledgment of subjectivity and, therefore, of individualism as a value. They generalised their ideas and made them a “lifestyle”. Again, the founders of Stoicism were all Semites, not to mention their disciples. What is worth noting is that they took to a completely new level the Cynic notion, abhorrent to ancient Greeks, of a caste of “wise men” expecting to be supported by citizens, no questions asked. In Rome, where Stoics met Christians, magistrates won over to Stoicism applied themselves to passing laws designed to weaken civil law, to blur the distinction between Roman law and provincial law, to subordinate the rights of the city-state to “natural” and individual rights.

    To quote F. de Coulanges, “philosophy appeared, and overthrew all the rules of the ancient polity. It was impossible to touch the opinions of men without also touching the fundamental principles of their government.” This is precisely the point we elaborated on in the first part of our French revamped version of ‘From Freedom to Feedom’, to be published soon at http://elementsdeducationraciale.wordpress.com/, followed by a study on the genesis of the subjective standpoint through the work of philosophers, then by a study on the rise and the development of the concept of freedom from pre-Socratic philosophers to Christianity. These three studies show unambiguously that, far from having “[reinvigorated] what was left of the traditional Patriciate” (http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id20.html) the late Stoa, which, in Rome, was no longer detached from politics, hastened its end.

    One only has to look at the distinctive features of early Greek civilisation to see, not only that Stoicism is an imported doctrine, but also that all schools of philosophy, whether born in Athens or elsewhere, are alien doctrines, which remained quite foreign even to the mentality of the science-, poetry-, eloquence- and arts-loving and therefore already partly easternised Greek in the century of Pericles. On the other hand, Stoic ethics bears some similarities with the Roman character, and that is precisely why some Romans fell for it ; why, much later, J. Evola was fooled by it. A Stoic knows how to die ; yet he does not know how to die smiling as did Leonidas and his companions at Thermopylae and most importantly, he does not know how to die for his fatherland. The Stoic claims to be a citizen, yet a citizen of the world (Evola mistook Stoics’ cosmopolitanism for an “ideal state”). Stoicism could train excellent cosmopolitans, that is to say, poor citizens. Stoicism meant Romanity without pietas, and without pietas Romanity was nothing.

    Modern artists – no matter how schematic this typological analogy may seem – can be compared to ancient Cynics ; modern technocrats to ancient Stoics ; modern intellectuals, media people and political schemers to ancient Sophists.

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    Posted on October 22nd, 2016 at 1:53 pm Reply | Quote
  • Rick Derris Says:

    What a load of horsesh!t. The left has been hand-wringing over right-wing terrorists for decades and nothing has ever happened. That clown Alan Moore predicted a theocratic totalitarian state in the UK in “V for Vendetta” and he was SO off the mark. If there is going to be a theocratic totalitarian state in the UK it’s going to be an Islamic one, not one by the Church of England.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    What are you going to do about it?

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    Posted on October 23rd, 2016 at 6:09 pm Reply | Quote
  • uncle joe Says:

    His envisioning rightists actually succeeding in affecting the direction of the country is unlikely to make us want to change course now.

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    Posted on October 24th, 2016 at 6:59 pm Reply | Quote
  • Xoth Says:

    Not with a bang but with a whimper, is my view. To an ever-increasing extent, shit doesn’t get done, and at an ever-increasing cost.

    Politically, we are waiting for the moment when a certain part of the electorate looks around the poker table and can’t see the patsy.

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    Posted on October 24th, 2016 at 8:24 pm Reply | Quote

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