Quote note (#297)

The center-left is dying, and the post-WWII Western social order with it. The invalid in ‘better days’:

After World War II, European societies were built on principles that owed a lot to center-left ideas. There was widespread agreement after the war that the political chaos and social upheaval associated with the Great Depression had been the consequence of unregulated markets, so the idea that they should be left unregulated again was an anathema. And so, when European political economies were rebuilt, they were designed to ensure that capitalism was reined in by governments. This postwar order worked remarkably well: The three decades after 1945 remain Europe’s period of fastest growth ever. […] Politically, this order’s effects were equally important. Workers and employers became more willing to cooperate, and in place of the centrifugal dynamics of the interwar years, when tough times drove voters to the extremes, good times during the postwar years drove voters back to the center. Thanks to a new relationship between democratic governments and capitalism, Europe was able — for the first time in its history — to combine economic growth, well-functioning democracy and social stability.

When you’re putting your crack cocaine habit together, it probably feels pretty good too (for a while).

ADDED: For relevance.

October 26, 2016admin 21 Comments »


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  • Alrenous Says:

    Rebuilding is so easy it was able to get on with itself despite some communism. “Growth.” Democratic regimes, true to themselves, attributed it to the communism purely because it happened at the same time.

    “The postwar cancer was remarkably benign.” It was hardly killing the patient at all.


    Posted on October 26th, 2016 at 2:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • Artxell Knaphni Says:


    It’s significant that cocaine was, initially or for a while, the ‘Capitalist’ drug, par exellence, as well as being a great favourite of Freud’s. Is Narcotics still the third biggest industry? The Nazis, too, were not at all averse to substance abuse. & Of course, the formation of Northern European Capitalism is intimately linked to the opium trade.

    It would be interesting to see how the mania for strained conceptions of ‘efficiency’ of the sort ‘Outside in’ propagates, share structural similarities with the logic of cocaine addiction. How the structural justifications for these ‘efficiencies’, might generally recapitulate the apologia of addiction? How the canalised mentality of addiction, & it’s characteristic insularisations, are repeated in religious fundamentalisms, scientisms, dogmatisms generally?

    To what degree, is the telegraphic abruptness of the Neoreactionary style (as shown regularly on ‘Outside in’), an argot of dehumanised abbreviations constituting psychotic reduction as linguistic narcotic?


    admin Reply:

    I don’t think you mean ‘narcotic’. (Capital is tuned to the wavelength of amphetamine, so steal from Gibson.)


    Artxell Knaphni Reply:


    It doesn’t really matter what the narcotic is, the key elements or operations of a Capitalist system would be financial transaction; & distribution of states-of-consciousness, moods, & cultures; in ways that are in overall accord with ‘profit’.

    Stimulants, like amphetamine, would reflect the accelerative aspect your earlier work is known for, which I haven’t got round to reading yet, but can acknowledge the validity of in advance. Speed & technique feature largely in considerations of competence & performance. Then there’s Virilio. But the ecstasy of speed, as Virilio might say, is only one facet. I can understand that there’s a visceral nature to extreme speed that has a positive appeal to the Deleuzian that you were, but one has to consider to what extent it becomes a simplistic & homogenising substitute for other ways of proceeding.

    Does Cocaine lend itself to the intensifying of a Capitalist pleasure viscerality, which canalises into an addiction displacing all else? Does that, combined with a Capitalist hyper-competitiveness, lead the psychological detritus of the broken addict into direct, visceral repetition of the indirect, sadistic practices corporate Capitalism wages around the globe?
    (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3873504/British-banker-killed-tortured-two-prostitutes-Hong-Kong-taken-cocaine-normal-person-coma-court-hears-drug-brought-fantasies-violent-sex.html ;
    & https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/26/rurik-jutting-deeply-addicted-to-cocaine-hong-kong-trial-hears)

    It’s understandable that speed can give, in addition to the comforts of ecstasy; & the security of high performance; the ability to quickly escape from the sadistic horrors of the Capitalist system; as well as the forgetfulness (there’s your Gibson; ‘Johnny Mnemonic’) of attention-grabbing busyness (Capitalist activity) displacing those sadistic horrors.

    Allan Holdsworth – Devil Take the Hindmost


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    tha´s some good jazz bro

    SVErshov Reply:

    development of new fascinating concepts and ideas is not always possible, but distilling sanity and reinstalling it in the center of human thought, just a job, anybody can do that. but isn’t those who actually doing it, deserve some respect.


    spigot Reply:

    Read the chapter on stimulants in Marcus Boon’s ‘The Road of Excess: A History of Writers on Drugs’ for good shit in this vein (eg. relationship between ideas of “efficiency” and stimulants): http://libgen.io/search.php?req=road+of+excess&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def


    Posted on October 26th, 2016 at 3:20 pm Reply | Quote
  • darkreformation101 Says:

    I read that Wapo article yesterday. Red meat.

    As for the ZH article, it was pretty good. One problem with the progressives is that the only real answer that have is the three MMM (more money — economic growth — more Muslims and more Mexicans.). They are very weak when it comes to offering any real or honest cultural analysis.

    This problem pertains to the global level as well:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGloontqaU (Coker: Was Huntington right?)
    Would it be fair to say that NRx has under theorised Huntington’s clash thesis, especially as it pertains to to foreign policy and the Patchwork vision of world peace?

    (I have tried to grapple with this in my own meagre output. In short, NRx is a solution in search of a problem — global conflict. Despite my antagonism to Islam, which is, in part, a problem because of progressivism, if the West went reactionary, I believe it would improve our relations with Islam, Russian and China immensely.)

    On the topic of politics of rage, the decline of the “centre” etc, can I recommend the following from Michael J Totten:


    (This article shows the future Brahmin politics and thus the future of America.
    Can I just say, that Moldbug, Yudowsky and Land have proved truly perceptive on this issue of “leftist ratcheting” (Land). Nick Land’s claims about the left really stood out to me when I read the following. He claims that the left is a “progressive degenerative disease”. I’m only in this game, six months but it is remarkably how useful this framing is….)

    Some selections from Children Of the Revolution.

    “On the first day, I headed for the Convention Center for the morning meetings before the televised portion from the Wells Fargo Center kicked off in the late afternoon. On my way inside, a man on the corner handed me a pamphlet for the Communist Party. Everyone who went in got one. The DNC couldn’t keep Communists away from the perimeter any more than it could keep the angry Bernie legions away.

    I tossed the Communist propaganda into the garbage and sighed, relieved that I could put the heat, the anger, the yelling, and the political whack jobs behind me. No one could set foot in the convention center without credentials, and the air inside the building was 30 degrees cooler and 50 percent less humid. Still, 100 percent of the T-shirts inside the Convention Center had Bernie Sanders’s name on them. Had I been whisked into an alternate universe where Hillary Clinton lost the primary? Were the halls of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland the previous week filled with people wearing Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio T-shirts? Not a chance.”

    (It is still amazing to me how resilient this communist nonsense is. Thomas Sowell had a recent article, ZH as well, that shows that millennials have little understanding of the “evils of communism.” This also speaks to the thought experiment that Moldbug used about how would you feel if you saw a communist parade v a Nazi one. Very perceptive.)

    “The data support my observations. Young primary voters overwhelmingly pulled the lever for Sanders, while older voters went overwhelmingly for Clinton. In New York, for instance, Sanders beat Clinton among voters under 30 by a whopping 53 points, yet Clinton still carried the state by 16 points.

    Those aren’t the only political data that set young millennials apart from their elders. According to an exhaustive report by political scientists Roberto Stefan Foa and Yascha Mounk in the Journal of Democracy, young people today are considerably more authoritarian and antidemocratic by attitude and temperament than any other generational cohort, especially baby boomers. Only 30 percent think that it’s “essential” to live in a country with a democratic system of government, and a terrifying 24 percent actually think that a democratic system of government is a badthing. Only 32 percent of millennials think that it’s “absolutely essential” that “civil rights protect people’s liberty.” According to a Pew Research Center report, 40 percent of millennials want the government to ban “offensive” speech.

    “The decline in support for democracy,” Foa and Mounk write, “is not just a story of the young being more critical than the old; it is, in the language of survey research, owed to a ‘cohort’ effect rather than an ‘age’ effect.” In other words, millennials are likely to carry these ideas and attitudes with them for the rest of their lives. Their contempt for free speech is a stunning reversal of the Free Speech Movement on university campuses in the 1960s led by young boomers who fought hard to topple institutional censorship. Many of today’s young adults, by contrast, want to impose institutional censorship—not just on college campuses but across the nation.”

    (Swims slow……. Democracy slides, eventually into socialism….. A “cohort” effect means that these people (the next generation) are not going away…..)

    “I asked them to tell me the biggest problem they had with Hillary Clinton and the Democratic establishment, to narrow it down to one or two things. I got a variety of answers.
    “Our biggest problem,” a young man said, “is her lack of integrity.” Everyone nodded. They had other complaints, though, that set them far apart from Clinton and the party’s establishment and placed them firmly in the camp of the alt-Left

    “The Democratic Party hasn’t gotten rid of patriotism yet.” This was a complaint.
    “Chants of USA, USA were disturbing. I felt like I was in Germany in the 1930s.”
    “They brought out the flag and sang the national anthem.”
    “You have a problem with the national anthem?” I asked.
    “It makes me uncomfortable.”
    “Every country in the world has a national anthem,” I said. “It’s perfectly normal.”
    “Just because something is normal doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.”

    (Moldbug’s red government v blue government. “I hate my (red) government, but love my (blue) country/government”.)

    “Some surprised me again by agreeing with Trump’s lambasting of NATO. “These entangling alliances are going to get us into World War III.” At least two of these Sanders delegates said that the United States should completely disarm and have no military at all, like Costa Rica.
    These kinds of ideas, if they’re ever championed from the stage at a Democratic National Convention in the future, would overturn the long-standing bipartisan foreign-policy consensus and severely strain the alliance holding the West together. Even if isolationism undergirds a new foreign-policy consensus in America, a party espousing these ideas would find it extraordinarily difficult to win a general election. The alt-Left is no more palatable to moderate swing voters than the alt-Right. That, I suspect, is one of the unspoken reasons that the Democratic establishment wanted to muzzle these people, why it wanted to push them so hard that they do not come back, why it wanted Bernie Sanders beaten.”

    ( If it was not for immigration, we could let these people rule, the country would then economically collapse and the the military and deep state would take over — like Putin in Russia, but America and Europe are in deeper problems than Russia.)
    “I asked everyone at the table if they intend to quit or to keep fighting inside the party. All said that they would keep fighting. None said that they would vote for Clinton. As far as they’re concerned, she’s a Republican.”

    (Swims slow…..)

    “How long can these people peacefully coexist in the same political party as the likes of Joe Biden? These young millennial delegates are the rising generation. They preferred Sanders over Clinton by a margin so overwhelming that the word “landslide” doesn’t even begin to describe it. Their collective vote was more like a tectonic shift that forced a new mountain range up out of the plains.

    There’s nothing inevitable in politics, but these delegates, if they take over the Democratic Party in the future, will control the platform and the messaging, and their extreme views, combined with their generation’s startling disregard and even contempt for democratic and broadly liberal principles, will scare the daylights out of moderates in the party and could easily trigger an existential crisis. Don’t think it can happen? Nobody saw the rupture of the Republican Party coming. If the Democrats crack up after another election cycle or two, however, we’ll look back to the 2016 primary and the convention that followed, when Bernie Sanders and his young revolutionaries nearly toppled an establishment icon, and say that, yes, this was bound to happen—and sooner rather than later.”
    (The money shot.)


    Posted on October 26th, 2016 at 4:13 pm Reply | Quote
  • Brett Stevens Says:

    The definition of a bubble: long time between inception and realization of its failure.

    We had a seventy year liberalism bubble.


    Sockpuppet Reply:

    Brett, I’m Curious, are you condemning non-Germanic immigration to the USA, or even Non-British Immigration into the USA? Recently you seemed to be targetting [[[O’Sullivan]]], was that a reference to Irish people in the USA? As far as I know her real name is Castillo, but forget that for a moment.

    If you’re attacking non-British, or perhaps non-Germanic immigration, what’s your plan? I know a lot of people have basically given up on a USA that isn’t overwhelmingly non-white, and quite possibly right.

    Do you hope for an America that has a majority “European” population? And if you do, how do you ever expect that to be remotely possible if you just base it on English and Scottish Americans? Even if you include Germans/Scandinavians it seems hard to pull off. Do you just want English/Scottish microstates then?

    What’s your endgame?


    Dick Wagner Reply:

    You potato-heads think it’s a coincidence the rest of the world let a million of you starve to death… haha. But the problem is the English and French more than the Irish. Let all the jungle-bunnies have Georgia and Virginia and throw the disgusting betrayers of high culture in there with them. I don’t care if this is a sublimation of ethnomasochism, I hate white people! Just nuke the US, or prod the genetic cowards off the plank into the oceans on each side.


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    let´s convert huyute peoplpe to Space Negroism

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    they will succumb to our slithering tounges

    Wagner Reply:

    Important genealogical note:

    “What is called “modern ideas,” or “the ideas of the eighteenth century,” or “French ideas”—that, consequently, against which the GERMAN mind rose up with profound disgust—is of English origin, there is no doubt about it. The French were only the apes and actors of these ideas, their best soldiers, and likewise, alas! their first and profoundest VICTIMS; for owing to the diabolical Anglomania of “modern ideas,” the AME FRANCAIS has in the end become so thin and emaciated, that at present one recalls its sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, its profound, passionate strength, its inventive excellency, almost with disbelief. One must, however, maintain this verdict of historical justice in a determined manner, and defend it against present prejudices and appearances: the European NOBLESSE—of sentiment, taste, and manners, taking the word in every high sense—is the work and invention of FRANCE; European ignobleness, the plebeianism of modern ideas—is ENGLAND’S work and invention.”

    Beyond Good and Evil

    “England’s small-mindedness is the great danger now on earth. I observe more inclination towards greatness in the feelings of the Russian Nihilists than in those of the English Utilitarians. We require an intergrowth of the German and Slav races, and we require, too, the cleverest financiers, the Jews, for us to become masters of the world.”

    On the Genealogy of Morals

    Ryan C Reply:

    only seventy year?


    grey enlightenment Reply:

    post ww2 liberalism is 70 years, which is a good starting point for when things really began to go downhill


    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    things really started going downhill when the Indo-European families of the sacred and revered city of Rome started losing their foothill in that power.

    Posted on October 26th, 2016 at 5:27 pm Reply | Quote
  • Orthodox Says:

    Hungary and Poland seem to be doing fine with right-wing opposition to the right-wing (technically now centrist) government. I think we can channel Spengler (ATimes) and say “It’s not the end of the world. It’s the end of you.”


    Posted on October 27th, 2016 at 3:43 pm Reply | Quote
  • michael Says:

    Interesting choice of analogy, cocaine sales for or against? please elaborate.


    Posted on October 28th, 2016 at 1:39 am Reply | Quote
  • michael Says:

    denying there can be problems with capitalism from the right perspective is no less stupid than from the left perspective.moral hazard is a two way street. Certainly capitalism self-solves many more problems than not capitalism.But Capitalism will indeed sell the rope that hangs itself. The first strand of that rope is to confuse why we like capitalism. because it serves us, not because we wish to serve it.Capitalism must be subordinated to civilizations which support it. Of course this does not mean a little socialism,It simply means HBD tells us we are not yet perfectly selected for capitalism, maybe never. Given the opportunity capitalism devolves into the chimp in the experiment that trades his bananas for cocaine injections until dead, imagine your the capitalist in this equation trading bananas, or the capitalist in a nation of shaopkeepers who trades it for a nation full of iphone buying sand niggers on welfare.


    Posted on October 28th, 2016 at 1:30 pm Reply | Quote
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