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Williamson:

Republicans should designate the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization, based simply on the weight of the evidence. But if they’re feeling a little bit mean — and why not? — they should wait until the Democrats have put Keith Ellison in charge of their party to do it.

(It just keeps getting better.)

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  • Salger Says:

    Has Kevin Williamson admitted the source of his hatred.for Whitey yet?

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Now my Irish “mate” (cyber-dude) accused me of parroting Land for liking things I´ve liked since I was a kid. I saw Terminator 2 on TV when I was a kid.

    »▬> His work follows the hyper-modern trajectory towards an edgy sounding nihilism, a material psychic trans-humanism into A.I singularity. Currently, through the Dark Enlightenment, from his abode in Shanghai, promoting the idea of an unrestrained capitalism, freed from a social democratic progressivism, to act as a deterritorializing agent to usher in the reterritorializing A.I. techno singularity. Accordingly, this dark galvanized vitalistic psychism is inevitable so why not accelerate towards this end. By Traditional standards however, this infra-human drive (or death-drive even) appears Faustian, titanic and yes daimonic/demonic in character. Is all this welcomed?

    That is taking an almost fatalistic, inevitable vector, or constrained telos placed on an abstracted mechanised (systematised) humanity, seen through the historical processes of a Freudian, libidinal HBD Darwinism. It’s understandable on the purely scientific plane but abstracts from cultural, ethnic and spiritual differentiation, into classes, originating from Marxist economic models. Organic ethnic bio-spheres get overridden by assimilations of neo-speciation through assortative mating.

    At the very least he’s endeavored to be explicable in how he’s arrived where he is today. Stylistically, whether it can be admitted it or not it appears you have borrowed much from him and the Cybernetic culture research unit, dare I say parrot, no? (pun intended: no? at end of sentence, a Landian habit). It’s all fun and games. Again I stress I was being diplomatic, so to speak, perhaps this also went unnoticed after a previous quarrel when referring to the movie list. Land cites films as precursors to the singularity as Videodrome, Terminator 2, Bladerunner and books like Gibsons Nueromancer. Perhaps these references is where your praise for them have come, apart from other cyberpunk titles which have explored similar themes. »
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    I´ve never seen, so far as I remember, Land use “no?” at the end of a sentence. Has anyone here?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Frankly I only discovered Land in 2014. CCRU some months later. But I´ve been into Sci-Fi since I was a kid. This Irish mate has a tendency to do this.

    He accuses me of being mentored or having as mentors people who´ve never mentored me.

    His case tends to be that I have “no originality” — yet this mate was under my supervision in a Project of mine in my early twenties. Wherein I had the creative lead and an output of about 10 to 1 against any other member. This is all documented.

    I´ve told him that I am Abel and he is Cain. He wants to murder his brother and inherit his land. Jealousy is the primal sin. Origin of sin. Mimetic desire, Girard calls it.

    I was already an Anarcho-Capitalist in 2009. This is documented as well.

    »▬>Look, if it is all an experiment (even the uncited texts, eccentricity and modernist rule-bending wordplay) and you are still in the heavy experimental stages then at least say so or place it within that context to minimise potential hostilities. If you do not wish to do even that, then simply say so. This is where modernists like Land, Bataille, Deleuze, Foccualt (even for all his depravity), strove to make themselves comprehensible yet I may not always agree with them. »

    The dumb little twat doesn´t realize that entities like Google Chrome, Gmail and Facebook, as well as MySpace, have all their entries dated.

    I´ve already pointed this out to him, but he´s an old-timer (intellectually) who doesn´t seem to be able to register this fact in his brain matter.

    As well he tries to maximise any hypothetized “damage” “drugs” may have done ever, to his “benefit” of trying to paint me as being brain damaged from drug use. LOL

    In fact, my English has never been better. Nor has my rationality.

    It was, as the matter resides, far worse before I tried

    any drug. The little dunce is pseudonymous.

    I´ve relied on cyberspace itself for contextuality. The twatter is a Traditionalist “Catholic” / Nazi / Irish nationalist.

    I cherish hob-knobs like these, and some of the commentators here.

    The more I release to them, the better theories they

    construct. Narratives. Like Feminists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment#Kierkegaard_and_Nietzsche

    I´ve never felt the need to joke about “my superiors”

    I´ve never felt I had superiors.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I think you meant to write this in the diary you keep under your mattress. Hannon, meet me in Iceland. Bring the powdered datura to blow in Erikson’s face and I’ll bring the brainwash films.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No, you little dort. I meant to write it here.

    I don´t have schizophrenic modern mind like the most of you, so I don´t have this mindspace of thought wherein I plan and decide on things and then do them or not, not to the same degree as you dolts.

    It´s spontaneous. I don´t then later “regret” “to have meant to do” this or that.

    It´s authentic. Not inauthentic academic cocksuckery like you spend probably ca. 8 hours per day in, at least.

    http://www.google.is/search?q=modern+mind+schizophrenica

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You cheesy little dork niggas. Why not throw some Icelandic Hip-Hop at you.

    Maybe, Land mentored that as well. https://youtu.be/32VuNtUdRqU

    The rapper is the modern philosopher (lover of wisdom)…

    said none other than Kayne West, my favorite.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I think this (the above) video shows with style « the rational and dull buildings that are the hives of the mass-man » except I don´t think they are dull.

    Call me an ultramodern Bolshevist, but They are impressive. It feels good to stand next to them, to walk in between them. Under them. To be surrounded by these « titanic temples ».

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMgkt9jdjTU

    To include both videos

    —« Moreover, contemporary society looks like an organism that has shifted from a human to a subhuman type, in which every activity and reaction is determined by the needs of the dictate of purely physical life. Man’s dominating principles are those of the material part of traditional hierarchies: gold and work. This is how things are today; these two elements, almost without exception, affect every possibility of existence and give shape to the ideologies and myths that clearly testify to the gravity of he modern perversion of all values. »

    He refers to the people but some of these artists are indeed mostly on the physical plane; even the infracorporeal (the plane of drug reactions). But few are (are any?) bereft of the psychic. So “purely physical” is an overstatement.

    Who´d be “purely physical”? Even beings consumed by sex, drugs and libidinal entertainment have a psychic plane.

    Of course. They are reached through it.

    Are you?

    John Hannon Reply:

    “Icelandic Hip-Hop”

    Now there’s a mad ting.
    Here’s some from my hood (barman at my local went to school with her) –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVeT27F8CPY

    Cute, no?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    @John Hannon

    Takes 3 sec to see this is fresh.

    Thought for a sec this was Azealia Banks tho, who is prettier and more talented.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk

    As for Wagner´s concern that race-mixing might happen, it isn´t that common. The problem for Whites is below-replacement fertility vs. the darker races.

    But who wants to be subordinated to a tribe by now?

    Is Trump and the others wave, a re-forming

    of tribes of White people? How??

    It looks Land is right while the others who claim they know better aren´t presenting any alternatives, just complaining and denigrating from ressentiment.

    Land is realistic, if you forget about the A.I. thing for a moment.

    The quality people for a tribe I would care for have not been found yet…..

    You have to be self-made to be Made. It ain´t no riding on Hitler´s back anymore.

    Ain´t no nationalsocialist welfare check coming. Tribes were ride or die, and a lot of them died.

    The Cryptogens of the world ain´t gonna change nothing while they suck cocks of their bosses in their dayjobs for the Man. To buy collectors item consumer crap like a Star Wars collector figure nerd. Unhappy with the new “black” Star Wars.

    Make forum posts elsewhere. Dream of all sorts of fantasy.

    Thus I salute their complaint of the Negroes.

    I enjoy Cryptogen´s suffering.

    Crying over SJW.

    <3

    krietzsche Reply:

    “to usher in the reterritorializing A.I. techno singularity” is very wrong. @admin doesn’t believe in singletons (thermodynamic reasons). His vision is intelligence explosion/disintegration of Earth into nanobot swarm which then deterritorializes the Sun and … who knows what happens next. Your buddy should read his “Lure of the void” essay. Or his early works “Thirst for annihilation”, how the sun is treated there, etc.

    Is seems that the academic Left doesn’t get @admin’s sharp turn to the Right at all. But it’s very simple. Just ask yourself, what praxis follows from such views ? Certainly not ‘Workers of the world, unite’. Absolutely not autonomist ‘back to the small scale appropriate tech (shovels and gardens)’. Right-marxist Stalinist acceleration towards inhuman, maybe, but it’s ultimately just lobotomised Capitalism.

    But Moldbug, Thiel (Californian ideology steered right, in general) fits the shape of his thoughts rather well. Alt-Right in general … not at all. ‘Whiteys unite’ is too similar to ‘Workers unite’.

    It’s a compromise (as his residence in China is). But what he’s after this (in his own words)

    “To describe this circuit, as it consumes the human species, is to define our bionic horizon: the threshold of conclusive nature-culture fusion at which a population becomes indistinguishable from its technology. This is neither hereditarian determinism, nor social constructivism, but it is what both would have referred to, had they indicated anything real. It is a syndrome vividly anticipated by Octavia Butler, whose Xenogenesis trilogy is devoted to the examination of a population beyond the bionic horizon. Her Oankali ‘gene traders’ have no identity separable from the biotechnological program that they perpetually implement upon themselves, as they commercially acquire, industrially produce, and sexually reproduce their population within a single, integral process. Between what the Oankali are, and the way they live, or behave, there is no firm difference. Because they make themselves, their nature is their culture and (of course) reciprocally. What they are is exactly what they do.”

    Xenogenesis is commonly read as anti-hierarcy, leftist. But @admin simply notes the obvious: Oankali are gene traders, disintegrationist-capitalists, without ‘is-ought’ problems and Cathedralic Rube-Goldberg ‘solutions’.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    PS. I have to admit that ‘Cathedral’ is a very fitting term for all this Ex-Cathedra hollering of what ought to be (human neuro-biological uniformity, efficacy of managed democracy, universal human rights) and how ‘the problem of is’ is solved.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    Moldbug is too damn confused / convoluted (like the scriptures), so that’s up in the air, but I’ll be damned if Thiel and Land have anything besides a belief that ‘technological innovation’ is in some sense desirable* in common.

    (*) — note, they don’t even share the meaning of ‘desirable’ between them

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    krietzsche Reply:

    Thiel is supposedly anti-democracy and for seasteading Exit. I agree, it’s a square peg in a round hole, but @admin has a large hammer.

    I’m more perplexed by @admin’s veneration of Sino-capitalism … seems like a hell of a drug.

    Wagner Reply:

    “‘Whiteys unite’ is too similar to ‘Workers unite’.”

    @krietzsche, could you expound on this? I feel it’s essential but it also rubs me a bit like a non sequitur.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    There’s not much to expand, @admin clearly dislikes tribal unification and mobilization.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Admin feels white affinity will be inefficient in the same way socialism is, that tribal sentimentality will get in the way of progress.(oddly he doesn’t see this as a problem in communist china). He extends this to human affinity, (so at least hes honest where he is is heading with this).So he’s fine with Progress transcending humans.

    Like most modern Marxists, he now recognizes capitalism to be the engine of progress; And like old school Stalinist Marxists, humans to be the disposable fly in the ointment.He’s not honest however, about what it is he’s up to over on the “conservative” side of the fence, there’s nothing he wants to conserve. And hes doesn’t provide an explanation for why any of us on planet earth would want to help him, let alone why he’s so thrilled with the prospect, Alt righters are correct he’s Tim Wise taken to the next level.
    Hes sure its all inevitable, but cant explain why humans suddenly have no agency. While he’s no doubt correct that our technology will continue to exert pressure on us, he seems to give us no credit for steering our destiny,tellingly he;s concerned with those who suggest we might try.One would think ethno state patches would be at least a step in the right direction of his cognitive singularity, So i suspect he’s aware a re energized western civilization particularly one aware of it’s biological exceptionalism would be equal to the task of thwarting the immanentization of his Progressive eschaton. Land is the Stalin of the stars, we can only hope if he gets his way some disillusioned skinjob will ring his bloody neck.Of course he would like that cuck ending to be the blood sacrifice.
    Moldbug and Theil are trying to conserve the lived experience of white classical liberalism circa 1959, but recognize aspects of it sow the seeds of its destruction, and are looking for workarounds.
    Moldbugs a jew and freely admits precisely where he suggests camerlism, that were he not a jew, he might revisit a reworked nazism,And that nazism contradicts his law that right activism can not succeed, Of course there are other examples he ignores as well.
    Many of his followers pretty much concur, thus the monarchy pose.Lets be frank nazism IS problematic, while its understandable in such an existential crisis that its problems are tempting to minimize, they are never the less problematic. That aside for a moment non Landian reactionaries are not honest about what they are suggesting, predominantly by not suggesting much specifically, but to the extent they do, it’s not much different from the nazi approach.
    They want a dictator, and they want either apartheid, or jim crow. As I said they like to be cagey about the details but if you parse what they do suggest it runs something like either a Galts gulch where the lower classes all sink or swim mostly sink, Ok but we all know what colors those lower classes will be, and that we have tried this. We have tried to have a semi free state in which the lower classes predominantly minority are ignored and socially excluded and power is held by a white elite. It becomes a moral eyesore that festers. The other solution is the apartheid, oh they think by calling it exit rather than partition, it will in practice or morally be different, it wont it will be south africa 2.0 again they dont explain how this will work this time. The implication is it will work because muh king will enforce it.

    Early on in neoreaction, many were a bit more explicit about the fascist aspirations and a lot of evola larping went on. This has been tempered by the alt right upping the ante and making them uncomfortable. The leftists at least recognize this is nothing new this neo reaction.And many explained to neoreaction the left would fail to discern the nuance so stop limiting yourself within a moral framework like a cuckserve.

    Both extra racial, and intra racial problematic differences as expressed sociologically economically etc, are simply most efficiently handled with the races separated into their own nations.While the extent of the mixing in the US is severe enough to seem hopeless, its equally hopeless from a reactionary liberal or nazi perspective,The its too late is a fallacious argument except from the leftist side, The reality is it isnt actually hopeless yet. The immigrants are almost entirely here illegitimately even if the left claims dubious legal standing for half of them they are simply lying and everyone knows it. we still, as does Europe, maintain the military capability to simply expel them. No one need die on the middle passage, march of tears, or Auschwitz. We are fully capable of resettling them back in their nations of origins humanely.From their we could he we chose continue to help them as a separate people. Once we had reduced the national genetic range by such a huge margin we could more easilly begin to address the intra ethnic discrepancies in a much freer and confident manor and of course with a lot more discretionary wealth.Yes this would also be an apartheid in a sense but a natural one, that no one feel morally repugnant about.

    In order for this to happen first the right needs to come together and face facts that it needs to happen. They need to discard their internalized leftist morality. Stop kidding themselves that far fetch and convoluted solutions have a better chance than the simple common sense response humans have always had. The most humane outcome possible is an almost immediate political takeover by those willing to expel as swiftly yet humanly all non whites. failing this we continue to slip until we either rise up in a populist blood bath or are slowly subsumed.

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  • reactionaryfuture Says:

    The poverty of the political analysis allowed by classical liberalism and every other strand of liberalism is striking. This is evident in the approach to the Muslim Brotherhood which obviously simply must be a spontaneous organisation. So obviously in fact, that the act of googling their origins is simply redundant.

    What do you and by extension Williams make of this – http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2011/02/05/washingtons-secret-history-muslim-brotherhood/

    Can your “tech comm” nrx explain this?

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Diversity makes enemies of us all. Muslims are fulfilling their cultural mandate for dominance; when do we do the same?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I read recently that immigrant birthrates have dropped down from a high in previous years to almost the same low as that of ethnic Danes.

    The pseudoestrogen gets into their bloodpool too.

    And other effectors of antifertility.

    As well.

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    krietzsche Reply:

    That’s why fresh imports are needed, it seems. To solve demography. Starving Assad of cannon fodder and (un)elected elites waging war against its own populace are purely unintended consequences which shouldn’t be mentioned.

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  • Apothecary Says:

    God, can we have one XS post without G. Eiriksson shitting up the comments thread? I swear he writes more here than Admin and the rest of the commentariat combined.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Cry more, you miniature soul. No doubt it was the Hip Hop that triggered your whining (I might predict you´ll deny this and try to list something else for insult “mum mum mum”). And most of it (my text) is often copy-pasting re the discussion. I.e. answers to specific points.* You exaggerate, which you think is a strength but it comes from weakness. Little cry from the dark, but the soul hopes it is screechy enough to catch Big Dad´s attention (the moderator).

    * E.g. like now:

    ▬ « According to Kierkegaard, ressentiment occurs in a “reflective, passionless age”, in which the populace stifles creativity and passion in passionate individuals. Kierkegaard argues that individuals who do not conform to the masses are made scapegoats and objects of ridicule by the masses, in order to maintain status quo and to instill into the masses their own sense of superiority. »

    Try to contribute something of worth yourself.

    Or alternatively hang yourself.

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    FromTheNewWorld Reply:

    One has to wonder whether admin’s pruning policy isn’t perhaps an experiment in permissiveness and its consequences. But then again, maybe reactionaryfuture’s idée fixe is rightfully static, and admin’s bleeding heart won’t allow him to do any better, much as he just might understand the detriments of inaction in the abstract.

    How much does a comment cost?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Who would´ve thought you would´ve chimed in? I at least thought so.

    I´d be pleased to see Cryptogen join in, fraught voices

    cry to God to avert the incarnation….

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This is admin´s feel for the Commentarium:

    ▬ « Night City was like a deranged experiment in social Darwinism, designed by a bored researcher who kept one thumb permanently on the fast-forward button. »

    Since it was mentioned, I´ll state that I had no idea that Land existed (but I had hopes) when I read Neuromancer in ca 2011.

    To me Xenosystems magically manifested in my Welt.

    https://youtu.be/agYvieDpOnA

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    krietzsche Reply:

    Maybe he’s hoping for a ‘spontaneous order’ ? In any case, your ‘it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to work the trigger of a good sniper rifle’ approach to it is most welcome. It reminds me of Erik Naggum.

    And yes, I really mean it, no qualifiers or (reverse) flattery attached.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yes, spontaneous order. It is. Not aught.

    Seem to vaguely recognize Mr. Naggum´s persona, but not sure at all.

    The first thing I read is spot on: People search for the meaning of life, but this is the easy question: we are born into a world that presents us with many millennia of collected knowledge and information, and all our predecessors ask of us is that we not waste our brief life ignoring the past only to rediscover or reinvent its lessons badly.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    I use a comment-blocking script and haven’t seen his autism in months.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I foresaw this exact comment. I swear it.

    Not word for word but the

    content, totally.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You won the debate you guys had a few months ago, but it was a very adolescent debate, very hormonal. Both of you should get over it and collaborate instead of passive-aggressively being catty numales. Actin like a couplea Bernie voters. .. Pretty sad that the two avenues for rebel-types to be filtered thru were Trump and Bernie and we all feel our being impelled toward Trump… Trump is the incarnation of the Ethos and I catch myself partaking of it, but there’s a MUCH higher ideal than Trump, just not one that’s flesh, yet.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Speaking words of wisdom, « let it be » 🎵

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This creates the delusion that I am at loss here and Cryptogen is at gain. It is the reverse. He´s saccharine. If I wanted to reach his utterly mediocre brain I would simply change account and style.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    If admin is indeed using his current comment policy as an experiment in emergent order, then I suppose the first step we must take is to recognize and name the problem, which is precisely what leftists fail to do with creeping Islamism.

    So now that we’ve named the problem (G. Eiriksson, michael something or other), what’s the next step toward exporting their entropy-inducing word vomit?

    Wagner Reply:

    Largo, I catch a whiff of corruption from you that I don’t from 96% of commentators. You are someone who can’t stomach the destruction that is necessary before the new order can be built.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yeah, I catch the same from largo. He´s a construction worker.

    Wagner Reply:

    One funny thing NRx has to face is that something good came out of a democracy. Are the people to be trusted, or no? That’s one presupposition that is likely the result of reverse-brainwash but brainwash nonetheless: democracy’s bad mkay. The people should be commanded mkay.

    Wagner Reply:

    eARLY lAND is my mentor. If he doesn’t adjust to his old ways he’s going to be covered by the avalanche.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I´m not as pretentiously or self-deludingly anti-democrat as some of the hangers here. I am into Land´s and Moldbug´s formalizations of fair trade.

    Contractualism, etc. Not venting. Art.

    Xoth Reply:

    G is for Garrulous.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    V is for Voice

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    I suspect after admin’s Bitcoin book is completed and he returns to blogging proper, there will be a hacking off and placing in a pile of little autistic arms.

    There is a spectrum haunting Europe.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    You´ve made this hope a comment how often?

    Trying to emotionally manipulate Land

    You´re a nobody here. Half of your comments are complaints. And saccharine sycophancy. You have nothing to contribute to the NRx project.

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  • smg Says:

    It is fun. Intending to dominate via demographics Dems have instead marginalized themselves. Good Whites can’t get elected in Dem strongholds or authority positions (minus Pelosi) or they’re old (Pelosi). Browns & blacks aren’t good at running the machinery of party politics – prove incompetent. Jews are being marginalized – well not their $$$, but they can’t get elected either. The Democrats are the party of the 3rd world. Ellison just solidifies it. He’ll get the job & Jews will just suck it up even though he’ll be terrible at it. Fun times.

    There was a long “think” piece in one of the major papers complaining that the Dems in the Senate are too white – they are all white & how this needs to change. Yes, it will change. Most of these Dems are ancient. Their replacements will be either Republicans or brown.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Look, names are important. It’s not “browns and blacks.” I, for one, would welcome onto our seastead the 10% of blacks and 30% of Hispanics who voted for Trump.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Yes but then in 30 years you would have a problem. Go look into the problems with wealthy black enclaves, the problems with the children of elites blacks. The comparisons between black kids from familys making over 250 k, and white kids from familys making under 30 k. IQ is only one trait difference, I have better things to do with a quadrillion dollars and 100 years than genetically re engineer negros, Since some wag will quip it anyway yes genetically re engineer whites is one of those things.

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    “The question is not whether a U.S. political party should be led by a Muslim man, but by this Muslim man.”

    NR in a nutshell.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    No, intelligence in a nutshell. I’d gladly put Razib Khan in charge of US politics.

    None are better at throwing their own under the bus than those who recognize the suicidal tendencies of their own.

    NRx, for example, used to make an art of positioning fellow whites as the greatest obstacle to political evolution. Mutatis mutandis, I’d trust an Arab who shits on Islamism before I trust a gringo who shits on Islamism.

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    Xoth Reply:

    Houellebecq wrote a book about that, didn’t he?

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    TexasCapitalist Reply:

    Razib goes out of his way to correct people when they call him a Muslim atheist. He prefers not to be considered Muslim at all if possible

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Pretty sure Razib Khan is not a practicing Muslim and completely sure NR are properly horrified by his “chilling” ideas.

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  • Melanie L'Heuremaudit Says:

    Daily Stormer has officially endorsed Keith Ellison as head of the Democrat Party

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    I am a fan of Reactionary Future’s work, and he has helped me clarify some issues to which I am grateful. Indeed, I have expressed the view that he is one of the best on the network.

    However, his recent post on Islam is open to question.

    Firstly, his source for his claim is a cathedral source. Now, it is not the case that we should outright reject these sources — far from it. However, given that the Cathedral is detached from reality, and has Machevellian reasons to spin, we should be doubtful. The blue government has reasons to undermine the red government, after all.

    Secondly, and here I am going to out Moldbug Moldbug; both Reactionary Future and Moldbug fail to engage primary sources. Moldbug writes little on Islam, but does make an unsubstantiated claim (one of the last parts — if not the last— of Gentle Introduction) that Jihad and Islamism are consequences of the Modern Structure.

    This is ambiguous. Firstly, if you engage a primary source such as Sayid Qutub’s Milestones (written in the fifties, after Qutub visited America) then yes, in a sense, Jihad and Islamism are a reaction (a true reaction) to both the American system (capitalism as Qutub saw it) and the atheistic Communism of the Soviet Union. In short, Islam was in danger from a pincer attack of Capitalism and Communism.

    However, Qutub also makes the claim that Muslims in his day have fallen into ignorance and paganism. His attempt was to “reboot” the Islamic world. Qutub’s brother taught Bin Laden, by the way,

    So, there is an external and internal aspect to the Islam problem.

    The upshot here, is that, Islam would have “rebooted” regardless of the CIA or American intervention in the Soviet Afgan war for example, or, indeed, the existence of Israel.

    We must distinguish between ultimate causation (Islam’s inner dynamics) and sustaining and contributing causes (the Modern Structure).

    My advice is Moldbuggian, read primary sources and try to understand these people in their own terms (like the way Moldbug tries to do with confederates and the Nazis.)

    Read the Koran (essential). Read Qutub. Read the theological works of Zawhiri and Bin Laden (a good book which contains this is the AQ Reader by Raymond Ibrahim, who translates the works.) Read the theological works by Muslims (a thousand years worth) translated and complied in Andrew Bostom’s Legacy of Jihad. Read Ed Husain’s the Islamist (an ex “English” Islamist.)

    For secondary sources I recommend Terry McDermott’s Perfect Soldiers (an account of the lives and the process of radicalisation of the 19 hijackers.) Read the Looming Tower by Lawerence Wright. Read the Road to Martyrs Square by Anne Marie Oliver.

    For more extensive theological, historical, and political takes by Western and Ex-Islamic writers I recommend: Ibn Warraq Why I Am Not a Muslim; Hirsi Ali’s Caged Virgin and Nomad; The Suicide of Reason by Lee Harris and Clash of Civilisations by Samuel Huntington; What Went Wrong Bernard Lewis and Crisis of Islam by Lewis.

    Now, I have a question for RF and others here.

    If power is above culture (I agree with this statement regarding the Modern Struture, with caveats), then how is either Moldbug possible or NRx possible?

    Now, I should say, when I first grasped the Moldbug system (light dawns slowly over the whole) I considered it a possibility that it was a deep state sponsored op to build what Moldbug’s calls “an eject button” i.e a philosophical justification of the military and big corporations taking over an creating something like what Moldbug is calling for. I.e it was a “red government” operation to escape from the mess of the Modern Structure.

    If so, this is consistent with power above culture.

    However, if not, this proves a problem. Or am I missing something (I am genuinely open-minded here.)

    I think, however, Moldbug is a “great man” in the Carlyean sense of “great men.” Muhammad, like Marx, changed history. Great men fight the system and create new systems (Napoleon, Hiter, Deng Xioping.)

    So, while determinism (poltical determinism) explains a lot, it cannot explain the emergence of and consequences of Great Men. Carlyle would no doubt agree.

    Discuss.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Link or cite, bro.

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    reactionaryfuture Reply:

    Islam didn’t reboot. It got dumped with the secular/ religious divide which has marked the modern west, and which the modern west has dumped on the rest of the world. Look into the British, yes, British invention of Buddhism and Hinduism for example. In all cases, these religions were “discovered” by westerners and reformatted along the lines of protestantism. They went from being systems of beliefs tied up in practice and societal structure, to internal “religions”. The state seems to clearly be the culprit, as it establishes an area as non-religious (atheism, which is retarded frankly as a concept and really just state worship at core) and a private sphere of religion. Secularism and religion therefore come into being together as twins. There is shockingly a wealth of scholarship on this which is ignored, go start with William Cavanaugh and work from there (https://www.firstthings.com/article/2013/05/modern-conceit).

    Now with Islam, you can take the example of Afghanistan. The cities (like Kabul) were well on their way to full secularism. The tribes people still under the education of the Islamic madrassas were irrelevant and would have been crushed slowly. Having the USA ship weapons in obviously changes this calculation, and don’t miss that that there is a wealth of primary records of the US printing Islamist literature for distribution. Frankly, the idea of Islamism without the US is laughable, which is precisely where it is clear power conflict created this culture. There is also many primary sources on the including US intelligence reports, see here for directions on this – http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2006/01/americas-devils-game-extremist-islam

    In this all, we can see a precise parallels with the Reformation. A ridiculous construction of “pure” religion being pushed by power actors as a means to crowd out other power actors. There is no mysticism to it, it is power conflict and the resultant sewerage it creates.

    “If power is above culture (I agree with this statement regarding the Modern Struture, with caveats), then how is either Moldbug possible or NRx possible?” You are misreading it as a totalitarian central planning concept, the typical strawman.

    What it means for power to be above culture is power bounds what is possible by default, and promotes what is acceptable and useful. Individual creativity and production while bound by the social relationship and inheritance (language, knowledge etc.) is still not dictated directly by power. Take an extreme example, take cannibalism. Can you promote cannibalism? no, why? the government and the legal system have outlawed it, so they have bounded the possible. This is a similar case to the idea of free speech, a shocking joke of a concept. The power system always bounds what is possible by default.

    Not only is this bounding and determination negative, but is also positive. While one will be suppressed, another will be feted and allowed free reign. A nazi will be suppressed, while an anarchist will be allowed free reign up to the point at which they become a direct issue (attacking a key state strategic point for example.)

    Moldbug was possible because he read literature from very old sources who had been cut out of society by this negative and positive bounding process. So effectively cut out that specific barrier no longer remain. No one even remembers or treats Carlyle or Filmer seriously, hence they are not a threat. If Moldbug used his thinking to conclude that suicide bombing the Democratic convention was a good idea, then he would have been shut down.

    As for NRx, it is nothing threatening or new. Just Lockean theory.

    So power over culture is not determinism. It is the application of logic and understanding of human nature, as opposed to the frankly magical thinking of culture over power.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Did European missionaries build a lot of universities in the mid east which turned around and developed jihadi Islam way before the bombing started? Was that a failed attempts at a Islamic reboot?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Its also occurred to me moldbug is a wily jew anticipating, and pwning the inevitable reaction of whites to multicultural extinction.

    I think at some level of deep state [possibly not the deepest and possible a level being manipulated by a deeper level for a different reason]. At this mid deep level,Cathedralism is thought to be the most moral and rational response to future trends. That its the only way to navigate through it. That an all powerful opticon must be built because tech is out of the bag, borders can not be maintained, global warming? etc.The question is, is that the real reason, or have some well meaning generals spooks and wonks been cucked. Who would do such a thing?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Borders are no problem, statewise, if people are allowed to form their own border patrols.

    Neighborhood watches, I believe they call them. Augment.

    Securitization of capital.

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    Wagner Reply:

    If Moldbug ran for president in 2024 and wikileaks divulged documents that exposed that he’s a neocon mole would anyone be shocked that MM could be capable of such a feat of espionage?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No. But I don´t think that´s the case.

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    I did yo.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Iceland seems to be the dummys of the world

    New PISA scores released, the six top western nations are all outside the Hajinal line, with Estonia in third place just under Japan and Singapore. And Finland in fifth between Taipei and Macau regions. Even poland at 22 beats half of western Europe.

    Several of the top 6 western nations are Angloshphere nations with heavily celtic foundations like Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. Ireland makes 19 place worldwide, beating most of western Europe, and reinforcing my theory that the Irish Diasporas’ success in places like Australia and America, puts a lie to the low Irish IQ as measured decades ago. Ireland seems to be recovering from an emigration brain drain, [caused by 800 years of English war on it].Eastern Europe seems also to be recovering and puts in a good showing.

    Obviously the more “intelligent nations” inside the line are being only temporarily hampered by their brilliant idea of inviting in diversity, and doubtless at some point in the future this plan will bear fruit, and they will catapult ahead of the dumb whites outside the Hajinal line that didnt think of that strategy.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/new-pisa-test-results/

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/new-pisa-test-results/

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Is this your real name? Or are you another coward protecting his career from Leftists?

    Iceland has ranked high in all sorts of international standards. It has close to 100% computer & Internet use. Highest living standards in the world, often.

    You really are among the trash of the WN horde.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Have we been introduced?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No.

    John Hannon Reply:

    Re the Irish “brain drain” – if Ireland was losing its finest minds, then how to explain this sort of thing? –

    http://www.the-latest.com/sites/default/files/images/577339689_f1942fb410.jpg

    They can’t all have been Oscar Wildes or James Joyces.
    (used to amuse me how my dad would take the mick out of the t’ick micks when his own dad was Irish)

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Look, there´s a certain autochtonization running thru the Irish blood. Dark brood of Gaelic runners. It isn´t necessarily bad.

    Ast the Race Science genius calling himself Agrippa on various internet web-sites has obstructed: race is not about purity. It is about adaptation and progressiveness.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    LOL
    No doubt, the Irish have their faults, however blowing up English pubs full of British Soldiers is not one of them. They have most of their land back and will get it all soon.

    Much of early deep state electronic surveillance was in developed response to IRA counter electronic surveillance of the Brits in the 70s.I think in the end they will get the cathedral officially out of Ireland but its seeped into the Finians through Marxism. A historical shame. We shall see if The Irish wake up to the irony of fighting their first cousins for 800 years to be cucked by some africans of Bono’s because it suits the political ambitions of the Finians.So far they are doing better than the rest of europe but i see bad signs.

    Sailor or someone, also was on about this Irish rising IQ thing just this week. Their point was the scores seems to be climbing fastest among the youngest native irish indicating the emigration effect is tapering. As you might guess from my name Im somewhat familiar with the Irish and i have never noticed them to be dull.In fact I find them a clever lot on the whole, but we certainly have our lummoxes. The Greeks and the Romans also found the celts to be rather clever. One Roman wag which I cant recall remarked that they always answer a questions with a question, which sounded familiar.

    I suppose you can argue if they were subjugated they were not bright and any further loss of abilities from the deprivations of subjugation accrues to their inability to ward it off in the first place. On the other hand they seem to have held on, and are one of the few European strains to remain almost prehistoric in genes, language, and many customs, they survived intact on their home turf, and have sent out several nations worth of population who have done quite well. it could be argued we put men on the moon.

    Certainly we punch above our weight, and certainly the dozen or so celtic european nations have also done well. As did the several celtic civilizations like the Hallstatt, Keltoi and others. Im no geneticist and from what I have read by them, they are not quite sure themselves, but it does seem these sometimes fair haired, light eyed, tall, handsome people that make that strange art, must all come from the same common ancestors.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    When are these mediocre creatures, if ever, gonna get that group voice necessarily doesn´t have any value here. It might be Cryptogen using 3-5 accounts, or simply a few similar type of para-WN nihilist losers thinking they´re doing “survival of the fittest, kill or be killed” by ganging up on their superior. This is very much seen in such groups such as MS13 or neo-Nazi gangs, and I wouldn´t be surprised if Cryptogen was a broadheaded skull.

    Seeing how uncreative they are in their voices, it´s vapid. A valuable lesson for me though, living samples straight out of Nietzsche´s welt. Passages that fit with military precision.

    Of the commentators here, aside from the obviously friendly ones, Erebus is among those more clean cut in thinking. Target precision.

    Wagner has grown from teenage angst and nihilism. Perhaps soon from Socialism. Altho I see what he means re Leftism of sorts, and can´t say I disagree.

    michael was driven away by me.

    It is not for no reason that they say samefag on 4chan, because of the tendency of lower creatures to repost the same agenda-linked (i.e. unauthentic) voiceful groupthink as if they were many and different. To say the clearer person is paranoid or with another mental disturbance is just basic tactic, seen in markets with low health. Honorable men know that dishonorable men are like this. That these are not best practices. These sort of men are really not fit to live in the 21st century, unless they do something to loosen their dead crawling psyches from such lows.

    Often the those complaining of other´s lack of worth are actually wasting everybody else´s time. E.g. when Cryptogen makes comments just to create another try of him manipulating Land into banning me. Cryptogen is so myopic that he doesn´t see that it is exactly His comment that is devoid of content.

    His little “hue hue joke and complaint”.

    His infecting inferiority.

    But it is practice for me, and often fun, and I get to forward other points through it.

    But I won´t say unlike some have suggested to mass execute them: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    There is work they can do. Forgive them they know not what they do and all that, but forgiving is making use of. Extracting value.

    Beyond purely pathetic masturbatory saccharine “pass the popcorn hue hue” libidinal excitation of the schadenfreude node.

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  • darkreformation101 Says:

    @RF

    Hi, thanks for the reply.

    I anticipated your response about power over culture — good. No problems there, just wanted to be clear.

    You linked that mother Jones piece. My points 1 and 2 were written in response to that and you didn’t reply to it, nor to the rest of my post.

    Let me put this another way: Islam predates Protestantism by nearly a thousand years. America, by over thousand, and progressivism by nearly a thousand and a half.

    You’re a good critic on the epistemological blinkers of others, I am suggesting not to make the same mistake when it comes to Islam.

    Again, and I am not saying this in a scacastic or hostile way, but have you any literature on Islam by Jihadists or Islamists? Or, have you read anything on Islamic theology and Islamic history?

    Best

    DF

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Sometimes I´m like „Is land every character commenting here except me and a few others?”

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    Wagner Reply:

    He is on a psychic level. This isn’t a metaphor.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    lol mos def

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    John Hannon Reply:

    “There is something within us – that deep sense of I-ness – that is not memory, thoughts, mind, body, experience, surroundings, feelings or sensations. For all these have changed and can change without substantially affecting that inner I-ness.
    Is it then so difficult to realize that every conscious being has that same inner I-ness? And that, therefore, the overall number of transcendent I’s is but one? We have surmised that if you had a different body you would still basically feel the same I-ness – but that is already the very same way every other person feels right now. Isn’t it just as easy to say that there is but one single I-ness or Self taking on different views, different memories, different feelings and sensations?”
    – Wilber

    “I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.”
    – Lennon

    But surely that way madness lies.

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