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Jew stuff (from ‘Spengler’):

Israeli leaders of all major parties warn of two existential threats to Israel: a U.N. resolution forcing Israel back to the 1967 armistice line, and a nuclear-armed Iran. With Donald Trump’s election both threats have receded into the distance, and the State of Israel is more secure than it has been in its history. Yet American Jews, at least the majority of politically active Jews of high public profile, are miserable. America’s best-known Jewish conservatives—the “neocons” — have burnt their bridges to the incoming administration. It is one of the strangest, and silliest, episodes in Jewish political history. …

Lots of treasure subsequently.

December 15, 2016admin 32 Comments »
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  • Wagner Says:

    So glad that the Patchwork of the future isn’t going to be centralized by the same old anglo-jewry that brought us the benevolent cathedral. Atlanteans have sovereignty over one patch, Hyperboreans the other, right? Something tells me you want anglo-jewry totalitarianism 2.0, Dr. Land!

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    Wagner Reply:

    How does it feel to have kids with a Jew? I bet you have moments of feeling cornered. It’s all right, it’s all part of Gnon’s plan, but your testimony is important for history’s sake.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Whether you’re necessarily compromised or not is going to boil down to whether you were redpilled before or after you fell in love.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    WAG
    While I also fail to see how lands utopia really differs from the current one; except his particular multicultural cognitive elite pals get to run it while saying naughty things. Supposedly it will have some nifty gadgets that make it work this time, or the lower classes are so overpowered they cant make trouble this time, but dont worry , its super stable this time.

    Still is it really OK to deride the mother of his children. Sure I think its fine to do it theoretically, and in fairness to Land if a bit inditing to him as well, He routinely encourages discussing the JQ, he really invites comments such as yours, this post case in point. Yeah its a bit mixed signal but thats his thing.

    In a way it makes sense because there are legitimate JQs ( is it really smart to have a 2% ethnic minority in your nation control 50% of wealth and power?). Yet its really difficult to find a solution, as the Nazis discoverd, and also because since then the jews are fracturing biologically and politically.This seems to be everyones objection to ethnat, that its too late, and if not the path too horrible.They have points.

    Its true we find ourselves at a point in time, that to my mind is an existential crises, and which could not have developed without the Jews mischief. It may also be true the Jews also are the linchpin holding it together even now. But i think its probably true they will be hoisted by their own petard if they dont flip.

    Three things can happen; the most likely is, we continue as we are until murdered in our beds. Second most likely,Jews will flip and we will return to a saner classical liberalism and unwind some multiculturalism and perhaps tech will be able to shape a more libertarian government, probably by privatizing. { hey im just the messenger] Whites will continue to be squeezed by east asians and jews above, and browns below. In this case breeding jew bitches is a good thing while preventing jew men from breeding is also a good.
    And the very unlikely third possibility is, whites will wake up and kill everyone or at least deport them. Obviously this is the best option for whites and likely the human race generally, and reaction is stupid for not getting this basic principle of ethnic patches. What can you say they are all former marxists and libertarians.

    While i have no doubt white nations could more than hold their own against Israel or east Asia despite the IQ issue, I dont see how we transition to that from here. Of course reaction has much more ambitious plans and that doesnt stop them from dreaming.
    So fucking the jew out of jew bitches seems a good Idea. Yes its true 1/4 jews still see themselves as jews but i bet 1/8 jews cant hold on. Whats your concern? That we wont be able to sort them to deport them? that ships passed, its a mess and if it ever happens it will be a mess, if we were at a point that were possible political suppression would also be possible until the jews were assimilated to the point of not being able to know themselves. If your point is how could he care so little about his own heritage both biological and civilization well its a good question, my guess is he wasnt thinking in those terms when he made the choices and can hardly be expected to work against his childrens interest, particularly by writing something they might one day read.
    Calling jews out on their traitorous behavior and demanding amends and public declaration of loyalty seems smart. Good nazi bad nazi seems to be the play to encourage jews to flip. But they must be given hope or they will circle the wagons. That is unless you really believe there is a way to an ethnostate with a better chance of success. I think the first step to an ethno state would be to first flip the jews to help normalize a more reactionary conservatism, to use their fear of being devoured by the leftist Golem they built to get them to promote the normalization of race realism etc.From that point going the next step would be more doable. You have to realize they worked slowly, it will have to be unwound as slowly. Unless as i say you have a plan.
    Religious jews are not even a problem except as welfare cheats.They vote social conservative and pro israel. look at the voting maps of the big cities those red islands are religious jews.We should agree with those jews on social issues and Israel, the SJWs hate these jews in the cities and those jews are easilly identifiable, they’re a not problem.The ethno state of Israel is a good example to be supported, as well is it a good Idea to give jews a place of their own in case they must or can be deported.

    I think there is a case to be made for salvaging the jews. It can be argued whether its really possible, but I think if it were its worth thinking about, however i say this with the understanding that they wouldnt even be able to identify themselves as jews in the near future. Thats not too far fetched for the non religious, its ironic they are victims of their own success.

    Wagner Reply:

    Zenosystems’ Overton window’s cracks invite hammer taps. I’m only bringing to light a relevant fact. Our crypto-conformist administrator has no qualms with shattering my family – those English are polite chaps – preferring to reinforce the $$$ Cathedral $$$ narrative of germans-as-official-scapegoats and stab his own brothers in the back, and what can I say – monkey see monkey do. Land is like a Big Brother. The nodding hillside flowers under the crowleyan spell of his blog have on their subconscious that he has a genetic stake in the game–and likely had one PRE-Moldbug–and chimps out when people mention it. Well, I just mentioned it so have fun with that in your consciousness now. The married philosopher belongs to comedy, especially one (((quietly))) married to a member of the scapegoat-race of his rival sect.

    I think it’s fair to say that Neoreaction could be more suspicious of Jews and the alt-right could be less.

    The bird of truth shall flap its ugly wings.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    There isn´t more a Jewish question any more than a question about any group or ethnicity, such as the French question.

    This is just leftovers from religion where the Jews were those who supposedly rejected Jesus.

    The Jews are not a supernatural evil waiting to crawl through any defense.

    admin Reply:

    “The X question” is a way of talking about market dominant minorities. There’s a “Chinese question” throughout the South-Eastern Asian region, for instance.

    Wagner Reply:

    Who has higher ontological status, the penniless mystic or the cunning money-grubber? (This question is a booby-trap because Land is a penniless mystic).

    I understand this appears on the surface as a rehash of communists who hate capitalists because they’re successful and I don’t deny that such an attitude is cut with ressentiment but there’s also an irreducible righteousness that plays a part. Darwin and Gnon may favor shysters but do Jesus and God?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHEOGrkhDp0

    It is an interesting (horrifying) hermeneutic (hermetic) of suspicion, I will give you that, that whoever has the most money has the highest ontological (and therefore moral) status, and is thus closest to God. But whatever kinds of slippery rhetoric one can use as a mere devil’s advocate, the actual hierarchy is: Love > Power/Money. The alt-right is a response to this, nasty and unkempt as we are. Our leaders have deviated from the path of love, and our leader are–

    admin Reply:

    Like I’m going to talk about my family with a bunch of jackasses on the Internet. Anything else in this vein gets dumped in the trash immediately.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Dumped in the trash of your blog or your own conscience? Your silences are going to catch up to others even if they do not catch up to you.

    admin Reply:

    You have a bizarre sense of what falls within the bounds of basic decorum. English rules here. You try not to talk about yourself, and you definitely don’t talk about friends or family behind their backs (or with impertinent ill-bred strangers who don’t know how to mind their own business, if you’d rather put it that way).

    This is what people with a similar sense of decency are doing to Richard Spencer’s family right now: https://medium.com/@recnepss/does-love-really-live-here-fff159563ba3#.7op11ukud
    I have massive disagreements with the guy, but this behavior should revolt anybody.

    Wagner Reply:

    It’s justice that people take your views on the Jewish question with a grain of salt.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Yes I would say there’s an Asian, or at least Chinese question in the USA as well. While the Chinese 2% dont yet control 50% of the wealth and power of the USA, they certainly might end up with it.In fact imagining that might be a way for the squeamish to understand the JQ without being triggered.
    If it happens it might be worse since its likelier the Jews could be assimilated than the Han. In the meantime they are spies for the chicoms,and leftist allies, and are certainly not helping the european race in return for being brought out of the iron age.
    This idea that you can have open borders, or a welfare state, well you can have resident aliens or enlightenment values not both. Any delusions that Chinese americans, will fight a war against china, or not betray us as the cold war escalates is naive.Sure some will, just as some jews are real conservatives. But the mindset you hope for in these aliens is a biological trait of only one race.Though Im willing to give the jews one last chance, they would have to come to the table with something huuuuuge.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Something told me the Neocon opposition was feigned opposition. But what do I know.

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  • Seth Largo Says:

    Trumpism exists at odds with conservatism, and the party as reconstituted in 2017 must be one built up around conservative ideals of limited government, free trade, an internationalist foreign policy, and an unqualified rejection of identity politics.

    Understood generously, the neocons wanted a Pax Americana to ensure that the globe became its own free trade zone. The hardcore capitalist in me is sympathetic to that goal. But it doesn’t take a genius to realize that being the world’s policeman and democracy delivery system was bound to extend the state’s reach and to stir up identity politics everywhere—as GWB’s presidency aptly demonstrated. Neoconservatism, as formulated above, had 3 solid pillars and a fourth that crumbled them all.

    We don’t need a Pax Americana. We don’t need world peace. We just need middling levels of political tolerance between those states who have proven themselves worth trading with.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Goals beyond localism are needed.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I think it was a bit more evil than that, The “capitalists” didnt want free trade, they wanted guaranteed trade, regulation barriers to competition, cheap labor through immigration and outsourcing subsidized by welfare and foreign aid, and were offering USG joint stockholders nothing, having cut a deal with the globalist Marxist management team whatever they needed. They needed arms, espionage,propaganda, and financing.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Hence my qualifier “understood generously.” I agree with the way you put it, but I’d rather steelman things when attacking them.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Leftism in any doses causes insanity. American Jews have too long flirted with the idea of neoconservatism.

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  • Zimriel Says:

    I’m reading this: the neocon collapse “leaves a giant lacuna in American Jewish political life”.

    I’m hoping JewAmongYou and other dissident-right Jews can step in. The anti-traditionalist Left aren’t even doctrinally Jewish, and need to be called out on that. That leaves Zionism in alliance with European and other non-Arab nationalism.

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  • froth_city Says:

    @Wagner

    just their genes!

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  • izvirk Says:

    You have children admin? I didn’t know. That makes me very happy to hear. Apologies for any intrusions.

    Anyway, I enjoyed this article a lot. I would’ve thought the establishment would’ve been wise enough to simply ignore the alt-right but it seems everybody was thrown all into a tizzy regarding its spectacle. This, of course, emboldens it further.

    I suppose even stranger times await us.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Published on Dec 15, 2016 The Atlantic
    « Rebranding White Nationalism: Inside Richard Spencer’s Alt-Right »

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVeZ0_Lhazw

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  • collen ryan Says:

    So this article is interesting? These Jews masquerading as the conservative opposition, are forced along with these beta wasps masquerading as conservatives, to show their hand, because this meshugenah Trump might actually conserve a few things if elected,including the only thing they actually wanted conserved Israel.
    They already had Israel in the bag with their other candidate Clinton so they had little to lose.And they lost little,This is the Cathedral after all, facts, history, just dross. Not only will they have their loyal opposition narrative back in a few months they are all already busy cuckening the Trumpster, and spinning the facts into neocon talking points about the axis of evil. And Israel will get more than Clinton could have given.
    Wake me when Trump demands Israel endorse USG s right to an ethno state, in return for USGs endorsement of Israel as an ethno state.Wake me if you find any actual capitalists in those free markets, you know the kind that doesnt use a chatroom to coordinate gold and silver oil and stock and currency prices, or conspire with marxists to set labor prices, or spend billions on leftist propaganda, demand tougher regulations to keep out competitors that cant afford them.

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  • Y. Ilan Says:

    Smart, realistic Israelis view Trump as a breath of fresh air. I’ve been doing reserve duty with my friends from the bomb disposal unit; we’re mostly a bunch of engineers or engineers-to-be, a great microcosm of the third of the Israeli population that does all the work around here and eats all the shit. We’ve had enough preaching from our American co-ethnics to last a lifetime.

    There’s a differentiation happening within global Jewry. On one side, the future; Israelis and the Orthodox. On the other, the decomposing yet still powerful assimilationist and reformist stream. This has happened in our past and it is happening again; too bad that our internal conflicts always tend to affect everyone else.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I was thinking of linking the religious Jews in the USA, with the actual patriotic Israelis. Or at least contrasting them both with the leftist jews who like to shock the goys with their pretty hateful talk about religious jews, and more and more routine critiques of Israel. But what do I know?
    I didnt because its still pretty muddled.There’s still in the US at least, plenty of religious but marxist activist jews, that are far from assimilated, and staunchly pro Israel, I think every generation this red diaper brigade recedes.

    And while i get from your perspective the lefty jews are assimilated, from my perspective the Hasidim and orthodox are more assimilated. I mean that literally, I love the Hasids and orthodox, and they love america. How much more assimilated can you ask for, they dont vote to deconstruct western civilization, they simply reject its cancerous iteration and ask to be left to breed like welfare rabbits.
    The leftists might intermarry but that just makes them more difficult to identify when they are doing their thing. The browns are figuring out the lefty jew game and are naming them uberwhites not uber minorities, i hope the alt right helps the left with that force them into the open and into a choice.My guess is they will choose white privilege over 2% of an ethnic pie.

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    J Reply:

    Differentiation? No. Ask yourself: In what sense are assimilated Western Jews and their half bred children and grandchildren Jews at all? Do they keep kosher, do they rest on Saturday? They don’t do anything Jews do, ergo, they are not “different” Jews but anything but. The “Jews” talked about in this blog, say Soros and family, have long left the house.

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    Y. Ilan Reply:

    We’re an ethnoreligious group, ergo even completely non-practicing Jews are still Jews in the hereditary sense. We cannot simply wash our hands off of our cousins across the Atlantic, although they are fast dissapearing.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    They are not jews in the religious sense, some really extreme ones will actually claim they are not jews at all because Judaism is a religion. But thats a con, and a poorly thought out one, just say something they take as anti semetic and you will see they are indeed jews.

    But i agree as they abandon their religion and marry out, it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain the tribalism. The leftist atmosphere is atomizing, we all find it increasingly difficult to find identity outside ourselves. That was the point of the design, break off the individual in order to marry them to the state.
    However they do seem to do a much much better job of holding out against it. Certainly they have a culture of otherness going back thousands of years. And the victim- identity politics of leftism, while fracturing the nation/ civilization as a whole has a way of reinforcing at least to some extent minority identification. Theres a payoff off for being a minority.They also need to maintain the minority status as a defense against their jew privilege, otherwise the math says they are the most privileged of all.
    Some claim a sort of secular jewish religion, that leftism and Judaism are the same thing only without the supernatural. Sort of moldbugs holier than jesus Unitarianism. They are raised to believe everyone hates them, and secretly plots against them, so they become vigilant to detect this which ironically more often than not causes anti jewish feelings, never the less it reinforces this jewish identity.This i think is primarily how the identity lingers in the half and quarter jews. They seem to be taught that because Nuremberg or something, even part jews might as well be all jews as far as the goys are concerned. Again more often than not this creates the problem they claim to want to avoid. Also they have the whole’ is it good for the jews’ thing, and the ‘whos a famous jew’ thing, So they are keeping track of all the half breeds, which hilariously the nazis seem to use their research against them.

    But I think in the end they are losing their identity like the wasps did. Its pretty hard to imagine how one could actually, if one had the power, expel the jews from america at this point.Digesting them would be the better method, now this might require some incentives to lose their identity.You simply have to be out of your mind to allow an outside group to control your nation no matter how swell they are

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    It´s less adaptive in the long-term to be a shyster. Co-operation (which is a part of capitalism) is adaptive long term, more so than hucksterism, and will get us to the moon faster.

    Greatest co-operation we saw before the Internet was World War 2 and the Cold War. The Internet is born out of a Defense Research Project of the latter.

    Half of the shit in iPhones is from DARPA or other government projects.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    — >”whoever has the most money has the highest ontological (and therefore moral) status, and is thus closest to God.”

    This is not the case. Firstly, what god is it? Money is nothing if not used.

    No one here is masturbating over mere economics.

    We´re interested in improvement

    in colonisation of space

    colonisation of

    bodies

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  • Hanfeizi Says:

    @Wagner

    “Yes I would say there’s an Asian, or at least Chinese question in the USA as well. While the Chinese 2% dont yet control 50% of the wealth and power of the USA, they certainly might end up with it.In fact imagining that might be a way for the squeamish to understand the JQ without being triggered.”

    I would say the significant difference here is memetic; Chinese-Americans show no signs of emerging as a significant force in American academic and media discourse, other than as well-trained regurgitators of other memes, mainly of Anglo or Judeo extraction (those who want to actively promote Chinese memes are an eccentric fringe – even barely inside the mainstream within China itself these days, which is now a bastion of Marxist-Leninist/Neoliberal fusionism, as odd as that may seem). This would parallell their position in SE Asia (outside of Singapore, anyway) – the Chinese are mercantile leaders, but not necessarily thought leaders. They have more in common with the position of Christians in the Muslim world than of Jews (while Orthodox have become an oppressed minority, historically the Christians shared a similar position to Jews – they were a wealthy mercantile class, who retained their religion rather than convert because, for wealthy merchants and bankers, the jizya was a very small price to pay compared to having their sons pressed into military service. Dhimmitude actually has it’s advantages if you’re rich.)

    I see the Chinese as emerging as an important caste in American business and professional life – like the Armenians multiplied by fifty. But distinct from the Jews, as their memetic influence will probably amount to only slightly more than nil.

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