Quote note (#319)

Greer’s analysis has its questionable idiosyncrasies, but at its level of maximum abstraction it’s hard to contest:

As 2017 dawns, in a great many ways, modern industrial civilization has flung itself forward into a darkness where no stars offer guidance and no echoes tell what lies ahead. I suspect that when we look back at the end of this year, the predictable unfolding of ongoing trends will have to be weighed against sudden discontinuities that nobody anywhere saw coming. We’re not discussing the end of the world, of course; we’re talking events like those that can be found repeated many times in the histories of other failing civilizations.

He systematically underestimates the contribution of unprecedented positive-feedbacks, in the opinion of this blog, but — perhaps ironically — factoring those in only strengthens the broad prognosis. It’s mostly night now.

January 2, 2017admin 12 Comments »
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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Doom meme

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    peterstone Reply:

    Moderate peak oil doom – or at least energy pessimism – has yet to be refuted, particularly in regards to A) the bad EROEI and unprofitability of unconventional oil plays (deepwater, shale, etc) and B) the bad EROEI and unprofitability of renewables.

    When price is oil is high enough to justify investment in A or B in a free market, energy is too expensive for the broader economy to sustain. If oil price is too low, the unconventional plays go bust, oil companies and petrostates hemmorhage capital, workers lose their jobs, meanwhile renewables need massive help from the state to compete. It’s not clear what the “goldilocks” oil price is any more, if it even exists.

    And people wonder why the economy has sucked for 10 years.

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    Posted on January 2nd, 2017 at 2:05 pm Reply | Quote
  • Johan Schmidt Says:

    Meme meme.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Dawkins is a Puritan, Dawkins popularized the “meme” meme–is there something crypto-Christian about meme culture?

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    Posted on January 2nd, 2017 at 3:09 pm Reply | Quote
  • Brett Stevens Says:

    We’re not discussing the end of the world, of course; we’re talking events like those that can be found repeated many times in the histories of other failing civilizations.

    At least he is talking about civilization collapse, or so it seems, instead of scapegoating technology or climate as most of these Leftist drones do.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    another common element of left they talking about things, which slready happened in the past, like about something what is happening now. that way effectively elliminating themselves from present and future.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    another common element of left narrative, they are talking about things, which slready happened in the past, like about something what is happening now. that way effectively elliminating themselves from present and future.

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    Wally D. Reply:

    Pretty much a far cry from the “End of History” scenario.

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    Posted on January 2nd, 2017 at 3:43 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    The Internet is the new Gutenberg Press but there are still restrictions here. We cannot be honest about race, power, or truth here at xenosystems.net.

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    Posted on January 3rd, 2017 at 6:46 am Reply | Quote
  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Admin don’t commit to the demise of Western Civ dogmatically.

    If it’s negative feedback we’re doomed. HRC or Jeb or Conservative vs Labor.

    But yuge positive feedback we’re doomed. Brexit/Trump/Le Pen…

    Are you willing at all to question the base premise and desired conclusion of DOOM?

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    Posted on January 3rd, 2017 at 11:11 am Reply | Quote
  • vxxc2014 Says:

    This needs a Deep Dive.

    Masterful.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/#abc89c52f50f

    No?

    This is exactly the Hi-Jack you’ve been saying you want…here it is…won USA election.

    The election was coded by programmers. Exactly the hijack you wanted. Trump’s man Kushner did it.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    russian Duma prohibited MPs from using “expensive software” last year around July. AI going after politicians. I going to need much bigger TV for this year. not sure if those smart TVs are safe, tough.

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    Posted on January 3rd, 2017 at 11:33 am Reply | Quote

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