Quote note (#323)

The Cathedral rises in visibility as it dies. Fernandez:

If Eastern socialism died with the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989, the Western version may at last be crumbling before a monumental wall of kicked cans. The Gramscian termites ate through the institutions and found with their last triumphant bite that they had eaten it all. […] Its demise will leave an historic hole in Western civilization. For good or ill the Left was the West’s familiar: the wheedling family bum, what we defined ourselves through and in opposition to. Without the Left neither the 20th century, the EU or the American progressive project is even comprehensible. It was the future that never happened, the madness over which mankind walked the narrow path of nuclear destruction yet which framed the debate. Now it is passing from the scene with all the drama of an empty ramen wrapper on the sidewalk. […] The great locomotive of history is out of gas and we have to walk the remainder of the way wherever it is that the road leads. It’s demise marks the fall of a great civilizational cathedral.

(Follow the last link if you doubt the neo-orthodoxy of his usage.)

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  • Rreactionaryfuture Says:

    “Follow the last link if you doubt the neo-orthodoxy of his usage.”

    You mean the wrestling of it from its proper context as an analysis of unsecured power in Moldbug, for its current usage of promiting basic classical liberalism and anti-“leftism.”

    The stupidity of the NRx project knows no depths.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Good. This uncertainty provides the excitement that the West needs in order to save itself.

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  • Thales Says:

    Now that is an optimistic appraisal of the situation if ever there was one.

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    tsk Reply:

    Very premature, the termites are far from finished with their feast.

    But he’s right on one account: the Alt-Right appears slated to become the new familiar.

    For good or for ill, NRx is now a tributary to the Alt-Right, and “Cathedral” is now Alt-Right terminology, originating in NRx. What is unclear to me is whether admin intends to have an effect on what Hines’ Los Pepes will do, or feels too good to dirty himself.

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  • FutureDeadman Says:

    What do we make of this ?
    Nick Land — original traitor, contingent on perspective, to modernist humanity project. Known for predictive capacities and possible links to Chinese state.

    https://medium.com/@paulennis/list-of-identified-skynet-agents-1cc69b1e9ebc#.j0lqjv1g3

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    Wagner Reply:

    If you ever are exposed as a spy, Land, plastic surgery, moving to the Polynesian islands, the whole nine yards including your ‘predictive capacities’, will not stop me from finding you.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “Are you schizophrenic or something, Wagner? Your conspiracy theories are paranoid and delusional. Land is a harmless – albeit eccentric – British occultis–”

    https://archive.org/details/Episode4-AleisterCrowleyBritishIntelligenceAndTheOccultWithDr

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    Wagner Reply:

    Is this a troll? If it’s true we still can’t rule out that Land is a mole (i.e. a meta-mole)–would not put it past his capacities. If you infiltrated skynet, cheers m8.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    That’s one epic troll.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “I’ve just been workin on muh bitcoin book!”

    *is actually doing James Bond shit*

    (Maybe those aren’t mutually exclusive).

    I hate to say it but I guess I trust Land, I just hope he goes out of his way not to be compromised by the demands of the monkey perched on the top of the gold-coin pile. Or, to put it in a way that will cut: I hope he hasn’t subordinated his intelligence.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    No need to click the link MM is mainstream contribution to critique now even respectable. But we always knew what couldnt go on wouldnt go on forever, well at least those of us that were not marxists did. Even without the russia -china marriage that killed the chance of a one world order it was doomed.But that was is something we can recover from just as china and russia are recovering. We can not recover from niggerization

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  • SVErshov Says:

    That can boil down to the question of what kind illusion is better practical or theoretical. I think with theoretical illusion one can be just mad, but with practical illusion one can just dead. Critique from the Left (Bifo) : restoration of historical social forms is nostalgic self delusion. Criticue from the Right : to be able to think one have to learn how to forget.

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  • Alrenous Says:

    Nazis and (largely) the alt-right continue to define themselves in opposition to the left.

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    tsk Reply:

    They also have an authoritarian bent, and define themselves (to an extent) according to their betters. I’ve witnessed Nick Land discussed at length on TRS’ forum, in two different threads. I think much of the pepesphere is hungry for rooted thinkers, the ideology has an inherent bias towards aristocracy and hierarchy.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    From what I have read,the nazis are exactly that, ethnat socialists, alt right seems to be hybrid reaction/ ethnat. The nazis despite the hitler fetish and probably a willingness to accept any solution that gets them what they want seem fairly skeptical of authority.They seem to recognize they are not the sharpest tools in the shed and therefore susceptible to elite betrayal.Of course americans are democrat raised. Altright is certainly influenced by MM, they are essentially reactionaries who have come to the conclusion the best chance for any successful reaction is ethnostate to some degree. All three reaction, alt right, and ‘nazis’ are orphans in search of a daddy. This is because they are the outgroup and because leftism has been targetting family culture authority etc for a long time so we are all undernourished.And yes because MM has sold a authority fetish as the only salvation and all are desperate for a magic fix.

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    Wally D. Reply:

    The search for a “daddy” seems to be universal and timeless, whether in the form of God, Allah, Trump, Putin etc. and not necessarily limited to the 3 groups you mention. Everyone, in their heart of hearts, seeks a bit of magical intervention from Daddy or some other totem. Nevertheless, yours is an interesting and thought-provoking take on it.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    Winning too much already?

    Surely not Admin.

    Uncomfortable I’m sure.

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  • yado Says:

    The “Cathedral” article is quite good. It dives into the issue analytically and psychologically in a way that is much needed. Best elements of all ideologies desire philosophical justice. Justice isn’t in the mind, it exists in the society and is thus a political matter. The desire for justice is the same for everyone. Ultimately a striving for what the individual believes to actually be in his or her best interest. For some, leftism is the path to justice. For others, libertarianism or traditionalism is the path to such things. However for all members of the species, political involvement is essentially arising from the same material structure of the human mind. The concern with justice is the entire background of political belief and action. Each side will have preferences for what it wants to happen. However commonality exists in the basic striving and belief in justice of some type. The leftist believes that class equality is the ultimate form of justice. The rightist believes that freedom from the crowd, as well as morality for some, are the highest forms of justice. They each have their own path and tendencies to the things they believe to generally constitute justice. However, each side is concerned with the same core matter: that the best thing be done for the world. In this sense, there is a commonality. This is not really very much discussed in political groups. Morality as a “thing” is the bedrock which forms the passion of the leftist, and of the rightist. Both sides will forget this. It is almost “uncool” to talk about it. There are other factors: interest, community, inclusion, etc. However what it usually comes to at some point is that a person wants their beliefs to be respected because they believe that those beliefs are the most effective and important at making the world a better place. Leftists and rightists both have this identical feeling and belief and are driven by this identical motivation. They feel there is injustice or imperfection in the world, and desire to make it more perfect. Most any mentally active human will desire this. Thus leftists and rightists are common in their caring about the state of the planet and the human race, though in different ways. Dogmatists are those do not acknowledge this commonality in those on the other side of their color wheel. There is a hidden harmony inside of all things, and opposing colors especially often produce a pleasant clash. It is from that clash of colors that all great art is produced. Are the “left” and the “right” like a minor seventh chord… or the tritone? A minor second? Or are they – in some sense – the perfect fifth, true opposites. It is a fact that the dominant chord forms the basis of all Western music – and that the two notes are essentially “opposites” before the unity of the octave. The right stands for the identity of the self, the left stands for fairness of the whole. The right stands for connection with a higher power, the left stands for the collective without the self. Both are beautiful. Both are valid. Both exist. Both have their experiential state. There really ARE different truths for different people, and even different truths throughout the course of the individual life. The individual doesn’t even exist when you realize that the self changes from moment to moment. Yet at the same time, it does. Both are philosophically valid thoughts. One or the other cannot be held to. And yet we do. There is no truth, and also there is. So it really does just come down to Zen. This might sound like a centrist political perspective. Curious… that by the above definition of the left/Cathedral… there is little difference in the reaction of the left to a centrist to a radical rightist. This could suggest that “centrism” is inherently “Right” in some way. If we assume that that definition of the Cathedral is philosophically objective, and that this is how the left operates a priori, then by this definition the “Centrist” is inherently ‘right.’ What does it even mean to be a centrist anymore? Philosophy often is like a fashion which you wear, and in this sense, fashion is actually vital to some extent. A fashion is a tool, something put to use daily – it’s not a “fact.” It’s something you wear. It’s a context. You construct a philosophy in order to interface with society. At the higher level. It is little more than a fashion. Philosophers design mental fashion. Fashion is always social and tied with the present, always contextual. Fashion does seem to rise up from that which is repressed. If you treat philosophy like a fashion, you see that it’s all about choosing which parts are good to wear. Any given day. Different concepts are like fashion accessories. I think this is very important for centrists, I think it’s a big part of what centrism “is.” Being a centrist is not merely balancing aspects of each side, it has character of its own. It has definition apart from simply moderation. It has character. I think it’s very colorful. It’s a rich spectrum of harmonies, it’s polystylistic. It changes all the time. It sees political ideologies like genres that can be pieced together. To the rightist, it appears leftist – radically so – and also to the leftist, it appears “fascist” or racist. It’s sampling everything. It’s sympathetic to the struggles of every group and the ideas of every group. In a time when people are divided so severely to their “club” of choice, centrism becomes the truly radical belief. The struggle for a centrist is representing those ideas in a new form, with distinctive aesthetic, separate from either end, and not just smashing things but instead forming new breeds.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Centrism is centered between centrism and non-centrism.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    No, Yado, it’s much simpler than that. Most people’s political thinking is a bunch of rationalizations which they use to justify a predetermined conclusion: that my clique is morally superior to any rival cliques. The rationalizations come and go. In Woodrow Wilson’s day, racism was cool. In Barack Obama’s day, anti-racism is cool. Only the conclusion remains the same: My clique is morally superior to your clique.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You’re doing the SAME EXACT thing right now Peter. You know how people got really fed up with the left’s tired repetition of mindless platitudes? That’s going to happen to the right if people follow your behavior.

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  • Wally D. Says:

    A very good diagnostic deconstruction of the liberal mindset.

    “Socialists in the same position can only expel and/or exterminate- a feature of Socialist practice that, history unfortunately documents, the Left unfailingly implements wherever, and as soon as, it gets the chance.”

    Millions of people have been sacrificed on this altar already and could easily be sacrificed again, therefore, it is good to understand their mindset .

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  • Mark Citadel Says:

    The AltRight is essentially eating itself, so I doubt it will become a new familiar. I still think there are a couple of chews left in this wooden structure. The Gramsciian termites aren’t full yet.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/joe-bidens-final-speech-at-davos.html

    Watching this Biden speech its perfect, every word he says is the exact opposite of the truth. But whats really clear is just what a watershed Trump was. First he forces the republican party to expose that it nothing more than shills for the inner party.

    But I think this Biden speech puts to rest any doubts that what we cant believe we are seeing is exactly what we are seeing; the deep state exists and it is pissed and its willing or cant contain itself to come out in the open.In fact its in open warfare with the new president which means it publiclyopposes the peoples will. Its running a disinformation campaign a color revolution like we are some banana republic, which of course means we are some banana republic as far as they are concerned. Could that matching purple get up the clintons both wore really have been ….. i cant believe Im saying this. The importance of whats happened cant be overstated, they are what they accuse Putin of being, actually far worse Russia expects and wants nothing less.

    What we dont know yet is how long has it been like this, do they have any ideology or is leftism just something they use because it works. where is the military, and a 100 other questions

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    “My working of definition of leftism is ‘whatever ideas psychopaths with
    power lust come up with to fool the populace into supporting them’.”
    — Spandrell

    https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/we-need-a-new-religion-4/#comment-9131

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