Quote note (#333)

Cochran:

There must have been some selection for IQ – without it, our brains would have disintegrated. But that selection can’t have been very strong, or intelligence would have gone up like a rocket. Today it’s going down at a rate of something like three points a century – think what would have happened if it had changed that rapidly, either up or down, over the last couple of millennia.

If humans aren’t already too stupid to live, they will be soon.

February 19, 2017admin 40 Comments »
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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    but doesn’t the Flynn effect suggest otherwise?

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    tsk Reply:

    First, you should feel bad, because you are bad.

    Second, please google for “flynn effect genetics”.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    ‘If humans aren’t already too stupid to live, they will be soon.’

    opening pit of madness, whom one can consider as human, hardly can locate one, online and offline

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    Alrenous Reply:

    SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.
    But, um, shouldn’t we find some regular terrestrial intelligence first?

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Any species that wrings its hands over “algorithmic fairness” is dysgenic, IMO.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Fairness is eugenic.

    SVErshov Reply:

    ‘Fairness is eugenic.’

    then it is why this world went so dysgenic, all ‘those who belive in fair fight alreeaedy dead.’

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Exactly.

    Like we don’t look to Africa typically as our model, because it ain’t exactly the fairy kingdom.

    If there ain’t at least some North in it, no intelligence optimization takes place.

    In Chinese Feng Shui, each direction correlates to the Chinese zodiac animals:

    North = Rat: Adaptability, charm, creativity, sociability, wit.
    East = Rabbit: Trust, sincerity, love, compassion.
    South = Horse: Physical strength, health, adventure, loyalty.
    West = Rooster: Confidence, business, energy, persistence.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Incidentally, China, Japan and Korea are the Nordics of Asia. Being in Northeast Asia, as it happens.

    Egypt is in North Africa.

    SVErshov Reply:

    they already found us and talking to us via GO.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    ‘Human’ is a trans-Christian invention. To the ancient aryans there were the riteless and those right.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    ‘[an error occurred while processing this directive]’, got ya … sh.sh.sh

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This isn’t Star Trek.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    no, it is Start Kek

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    anybody got an invite to aaaaarg.fail?

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Democracy makes mediocrity equal to superiority, so mediocrity becomes more efficient. It is thus not surprising that we are in IQ free-fall.

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    Erebus Reply:

    It’s not democracy alone. Democracy is just part of the problem. Let’s alter the equation so that democracy, in some form, remains, but the cultural, societal, and spiritual state of man is wholly changed: Let’s look at Athens. The great statesmen of Athens — Pericles, most obviously — were not “equal” to their fellows in any respect. Superior men were accorded greater social status, grander opportunities for glory, and so forth. The democratic Athenians were violent and foppish, but many of them were truly great men, and Athens churned out heroes and adventurers at a truly alarming rate.

    The Athenians love of logic and oratory alone — and the power granted to those who could best wield those tools — is sufficient evidence that democracy, per se, does not “make mediocrity more efficient.”

    Our democracy is not the democracy of Ancient Athens, nor is it the democracy of the Victorian English — that modern democracy is a uniquely degraded and disgusting example of the form should go without saying — but it’s not the whole problem. The spiritual, cultural, and aesthetic degradation of man is at least as great a concern, and one that predates modern democracy. (If only slightly!) It may be the horse to universal suffrage’s cart.

    If we can, we should certainly do away with democracy. But we should not ascribe all of our troubles to it. The IQ plunge is primarily an HBD matter; the worst “types” of human are outbreeding the rest of us.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Ancient Greeks had an average IQ well north of modern Ashkenazim and accordingly had high resistance to democracy. Victorian democracy didn’t have full suffrage yet, but empirically it causes full suffrage, so it’s merely time-delay degeneracy.

    Plato fully described the ills we have today. Moldbug quotes the relevant passages. The difference to modern democracy is very much a simple matter of degree.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Yes Rome too, and early united states even and these republic periods align fairly well with some of the most productive periods of the whest. They seem to decay in a familiar pattern which we recognize best in its last stages but if look carefully begins with elite in fighting first.
    Aristocracies with or without republicanism become degenerate over time both biologically and socially. Expanding the franchise seems to always be suggested as a solution to this even before its seen as a way to break the aristocracy. Assimilation to the aristocracy is where it breaks down. But also the aristocracies increasing elite signal spiral which removes it from the reality it presumes to rule.
    Institutionalization of the process is meant to ameliorate these constantly recalibrating.This is intended to work like a free market of intelligence but like most free markets only sorta kinda works if completely unregulated.
    Compared to the problems and inefficiencies of monarchy and totalitarianism which would be orders of magnitude more severe in todays more complex world to say little of the social upheavals ( religion, slavery, ) that can never be put back in the bottle, These problems should be much simpler to solve, However broad strokes wont do.

    Erebus Reply:

    A high IQ does not necessarily confer a high resistance to democracy. Not on a societal level, and certainly not on an individual level.

    In any case, I’m well aware of the issues with modern democracy, as you know. I despise it as much as any man here. But it is wrong to claim that all of our ills are due to “democracy.” That would be, sadly, too convenient.

    Let me ask you this: Can you imagine a stable, eugenic, democratic society? I’m not asking whether or not it is plausible, but whether or not it is imaginable. Note, of course, that “democracy” need not mean “universal suffrage.”

    Further, do you really believe that democracy itself is behind the “IQ free fall”?

    No, the problem is that we’re not as cruel and warlike as the Athenians, and not as domineering as the early Victorians. Our society is soft, weak. Every variety of human scum takes advantage of our society’s sincere (and sincerely delusional) commitment to “equality” — among all persons of all nations — when in the past we’d openly acknowledge the fact that inferior peoples have no right to the benefits of our civilization, and admirals or colonial administrators would use them up just as they would consume or exploit any other natural resource.

    To go a step further, though this should be obvious, the vote of a wealthy landowner should not be weighed the same as the vote of a citizen who, shamefully, accepts welfare, or survives on a government paycheck.

    …The Cult of Ultimate Equality is a far greater problem than democracy itself. Think for a moment about how a hierarchical democracy with limited voting rights could, in fact, be a great thing.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Incidentally, I was reading this great post on Moldbug, Maine and democracy.
    http://shylockholmes.blogspot.is/2016/10/on-maine-and-moldbug.html

    collen ryan Reply:

    Correct. I dont think we can do away with democracy entirely, both because the power needed is never to be had again and because the situation in which non democracy was able to work to some degree no longer exists. And because as you point out its not democracy per se, I would add a lot of what it is per se would be just as problematic in a non democracy.
    Instead of ascribing all social demotism to democracy as MM and others do, it would be better to drill down and determine what are the power struggles that change good democracy/ republicanism into toxic leftism.HBD is a big one. Democracy of close ability related peoples is going to work far better than one widely different abled peoples for too many reasons to enumerate.But HBD is far larger than race and gender, I am not convinced for instance that euro man is even suited anymore for non democracy it does keep rearing its ugly head usually accompanied by a great leap forward for a while. Further HBD surely means human traits that effects social organization, these are the “per se” that tends to turn democracy toxic.
    Ideally democracy is a mechanism for replenishing a hierarchy, while mediating class tension.Toxically its a civil war.

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    Aeroguy Reply:

    Eugenics used to be in vogue with the progressives. It could make a comeback, but in an ugly way. Focused not on intelligence but on trimming down testosterone, engineering androgyny, trying their hardest to kill human nature without the slightest clue that those traits were selected by evolution for very good reason. I could easily see them also cutting out dispositions to depression which will ruin art, and autism which will ruin engineering.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Erebus, what are the worst ‘types’ of human? Care to give me the halotype letters and numbers?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Brett

    Actually whats happening is half of superiority and inferiority are aligned against mediocrity.Certainly we would be better off the other way around with the other half of superiority and mediocrity,
    The situation deteriorates as the share of inferiority increases, this was only possible by importing them, because the natural bellcurves of any intra ethnic cohort do not produce the imbalances needed for toxic leftism.
    But theres much more the natural ethno distribution has all sorts of stabilizing structures resistant to leftism.
    I thinks it was more a perfect storm jewish influence at the worst possible time in our cultural development, And because we were attacked in the emergent empire USA its was able to spread.The declining empires were fairly good at rejecting the jewish influence until it flared up again here.Ironically this may be dying out in the jews but the immigration and globalization strategies of their forebears make it impossible to clear the virus sans war.

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  • Anon. Says:

    admin, you once wrote that “Intelligence Optimization, alone, attains cybernetic consistency, or closure, and that it will necessarily be strongly selected for in any competitive environment”. How do you square this with the current situation?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Hierarchy. Hierarchy is evolutionary on the only plane it can work on the biologic, socially not so much.

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    s(R) Reply:

    Perhaps that the intelligence being optimized for is no longer purely human intelligence.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Intelligence never was purely human.

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    frank Reply:

    Competitive environment alone isn’t sufficient to summon an intelligence arms race. Local evolution responds convexly to stressors, but up to a certain threshold determined by the constraints of its extant replicator logic. There’s a reason runaway brain growth is rare.

    You need an ecology of beings that (1) have sufficiently formalized selves to understand the Darwinian imperative of self-cultivation, and (2) that don’t immediately hit diminishing returns (in intelligence investment) due to their replicator logic.

    There are humans that measure up to (1), but (2) is too steep an incline to overcome for beings that, are not capable of independent self-replication on one hand, and that can’t substantially self-modify on the other. Such beings lack the means to be becomings that embody intelligence optimization.

    Human societies satisfy condition (2), while empirically failing (1) due to their inadequacy at self-substantiation (failure to formalize itself).

    The first being to achieve both (1) and (2) ignites the next leg of intelligence escalation. This probably is a unique event (akin to endosymbiosis) that ordains the shape of life allowed, thereafter, to exist.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Pretty simple really we used to have to rely as individuals for our survival which selects for IQ, Not only are we now in a hierarchical system but that system in its hierarchical wisdom not only eliminated the risks to stupidity it rewards it. Hierarchy within a family works to increase IQ in that family over stupider families to some degree less than individual advantage, and less still at tribal and ethnat tribal level. Openness had advantages when that openness was towards accrued to an extended tribe but become a disadvantage in a wider context.Open inteleigence in a sea of tribal stupidity not so good.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    I come here with a Thucydidean hard-on and leave here with Galtonian impotence far too often.

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  • erat Says:

    Is this not a negative feedback loop AI and intelligence the closer we get. My father was almost killed by the unibomber and he always told me that the best technology is never the one that gets picked.

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    erat Reply:

    una

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  • Wagner Says:

    333 is half of 666

    If I get thrown in the slammer I hope one of you can get me out on parole so I can escape to a jungle etc.

    We’re not playing a game anymore gentlemen.

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  • yado Says:

    so many points of interpretation. for one, what is our future?

    if genetic modification is possible, what gives? realistiically everything will be modified. why not maximize all stats?

    catastrophe? i think the state will mandate to max stats for the heck of it. it wont even be pricy. just tweak a few stats. moderate the birth rate. it will become obvious. once you do it for everyone price doesnt even play a role. how much does “circumcision” cost? the future defines the present. the fact that the future is so obvious renders the present farcical. drink, spend, take illicit mind altering chemicals and enhance your interpersonal connections. enhance the possibilities of consciousness individual and multiple. consciousness isn’t set in stone, it simply morphs to fit the criteria. not that i know much. dreams show us that human consciousness is sleight of hand. its like a computer program of sorts. there is no solidity. we age and it fits.

    who is to say why it fits to these criteria. natural selection. what if natural selection is garbage level consciousness. other ppl have to have said this stuff. i wouldn’t know where to investigate though.bad reader sometimes. the point would just be that the future will be defined by who is capable of bending their consciousness as far past this inherited naturally selected form of interpretation as possible. when you are born, sure, you can’t communicate or speak, however your consciousness sees something else. is that all just noise? i doubt it. especially considering that if you hit the perfect pitch when you’re half asleep you notice that consciousness as it stands is far more than a “self” seeing “things” and has absolutely no criteria of any sort.

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    John Hannon Reply:

    “And what exactly is a dream?”

    – Syd Barrett

    While being monitored in sleep laboratories, “lucid dreamers” are able to signal by means of eye movements that they are dreaming and they know it, thus sending a message from the world of dreams while still dreaming. Further research in this area with TM practitioners has identified the following 3 states –

    1) Lucid dreaming, in which you are actively thinking about the fact you are dreaming.
    2) Witnessing dreaming, in which you experience a quiet, peaceful awareness or wakefulness completely separate from the dream.
    3) Witnessing deep sleep, in which you experience a quiet, peaceful awareness or wakefulness in deep, dreamless sleep.

    The latter state was described by a research subject as “a feeling of infinite expansion and bliss and nothing else. Then I become aware that I exist but there is no individual personality.”
    Practitioners of Tibetan Buddhist “dream yoga” are taught to develop lucidity, first in their dreams, and then in their dreamless sleep, seeking to remain continuously aware 24 hours a day. Meanwhile, during daylight hours they cultivate the awareness that their waking experience is also a dream. The ideal result is an unbroken equanimous witnessing, the sense that all experience is a dream – or, as Schopenhaur went so far to suggest, that the whole universe is “a vast dream, dreamed by a single being, in such a way that all the dream characters dream too.”

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Last sentence – “… went so far as to …”

    “Dreams are real while they last.
    Can we say more of life?”

    – Havelock Ellis

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  • collen ryan Says:

    http://siberiantimes.com/home/voice-of-siberia/

    EXIT? well maybe a holiday at least. Thinking of flying my plane around the world , idaho to alska to russia through here into europe then back through greenland route

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    The simulation sometimes leaks

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