Quote note (#334)

The Anglosphere re-emerges:

From U.S. President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” to Brexiteers’ “Global Britain” and Chinese President Xi Jinping’s “Great rejuvenation of the Chinese people,” nostalgic nationalism has become a major force in politics around the world. Appeals to past national glories animate far-right populist movements in Europe, fueling Russian President Vladimir Putin’s expansionism in his neighborhood, and animating Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman ambitions. Such a world is prone to conflict. Yet nostalgia can still be consistent with some form of international cooperation, especially where culture, history, and values overlap. And in that context, the re-emergence of an Anglosphere — a long-held dream for many proud Britons — is no longer so far-fetched. …

Even the Brexit-phobic Economist is catching the Anglosphere flu.

Think Anglosphere, and the impending death of NATO (or “the West”) has an entirely different valency.

February 23, 2017admin 44 Comments »
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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Gosh, people want something worth living for again, like a nation. Democracy did not provide. Now it is obsolete, and joins other failed ideas in the dustbin of history.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Yes, but a nation with carefully designed interfaces with other nations to form a mutually beneficial system of commerce.

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    D. Reply:

    I’ve said before that Brexit and Trump provide an opportune moment for the replacement of the North American Free Trade Agreement with a North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement including the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    I wouldn’t mind an Arctic Alliance (Derbyshire’s coinage): The nations you mention, plus Japan and Russia (maybe China, now that their middle class is growing in power).

    D. Reply:

    Although I’m thankful that the Trump administration will reduce tensions with Russia (certainly compared to what would have occurred in a Hillary administration), and I think it’s worthwhile to attempt to reach a deeper understanding with Russia, I’m skeptical of the success of such an endeavor. Russia’s geopolitical aims are simply too divergent due to being a major oil exporter, its geographical position, its relative economic backwardness, the existence of an ethnic Russian periphery, etc.

    Posted on February 23rd, 2017 at 7:22 pm Reply | Quote
  • peterstone Says:

    Do you know why they booted you from twitter? All the cool kids are getting banned. Bronze Age Pervert, Menanquione4, kantbot just had to delete his archive… Jack’s Ministry of Trust and Safety smell blood after the Milo fiasco.

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    Space Ghost Reply:

    SURELY THIS IS THE END OF THE ALT-RIGHT AND NRX!!!!

    Could be our Golden Path moment.

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    brainwashed idiot Reply:

    As a Canadian, the return of the Anglosphere can’t happen fast enough. The trouble is the Americans love “muh 1776” too much to see clearly on this point

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    Wagner Reply:

    @brainwashed idiot, as an American I concede that, most of us are far too rebellious for our own good. I hate lobsterbacks!!! I’d be interested to read a book that turns “Revolutionary War” historiography on its head, anyone have a suggestion?

    Post Alley Crackpot Reply:

    Could be our Shining Path moment.

    You never can tell about these things.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Ministry of Trust still abbreviates to Minitru.

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    Post Alley Crackpot Reply:

    MinTrust.

    It’s the NooYouKayGuv style, mind you.

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    Posted on February 23rd, 2017 at 7:38 pm Reply | Quote
  • smg Says:

    So, Nick, you’re suspended from twitter now?

    Permanent or temporary? Did they allow you the opportunity to delete your offending tweet?

    Twitter is a train-wreak.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    It’s for the best. The migration to Twitter caused the unfortunate decline in long-form posting in the NRx-sphere.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    if not ’caused,’ then at least ‘facilitated’

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    Posted on February 23rd, 2017 at 8:10 pm Reply | Quote
  • Orthodox Says:

    Imagine Anglo nationalism on three continents. It’s easy if you try.

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    Posted on February 23rd, 2017 at 8:49 pm Reply | Quote
  • DavidSmith Says:

    I was going to tell you this on twitter, admin, but it seems that you have been kicked out of that establishment.

    Doesn’t the fact that you’re so keen on commercial/capitalistic/merchantistic people proof that you’re not actually an iq supremacist? The States with the highest white iqs- Massachusetts(107), New Jersey(105.8), etc. tend to have white populations that are majority white catholic, while the lowest states tend to have the highest percentage of white Protestantism. West Virginia(94.3), Alabama(97.3), Mississippi(98.2) Oklahoma(97.9) etc. The only states in the top 10 with a high white iq with very high percentage of white protestants vs Catholics are number 5(tied) Texas(104.2) and number 10 Washington(103.3).

    The Northeastern East Anglians in the USA had a penchant for statism and high government spending and taxes. Thus it is not surprising that the Catholic immigrants who came to this country went to those areas.

    In addition, the people with the highest iq in Europe pretty consistently seem to be Southern Germans, Northern Italians, Rhinelanders/lowlanders, with all these areas being almost completely catholic to mixed, with the lowest areas traditionally being atleast 30% Catholic and overall quite. Presumably you wouldn’t want to adopt the policies of Central and South-Central Europe just because they have higher IQ than the Welsh or something.

    You should respect the creativity and wholesomeness of peoples more than you do, such as the true blue Calvinist and various anglo-sect Protestants rather than just pure iq more than you do. We need to reconvert the world to paleoprotestantism to make it better.

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  • DavidSmith Says:

    Anyway in practice politically the immigrants of Catholic europe in america sided with the freedom-loving Grover Cleveland, among others. Even if they had a disgusting religion and group practices in a purely political sense they were in the right political coalition until williams jenning bryant and Woodrow Wilson screwed everything up. If whites could only be as protestant as most southern whites are, we would be in much better shape.

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  • Ur-mail Says:

    Twitter thought-police finally got you eh?

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    Posted on February 23rd, 2017 at 9:11 pm Reply | Quote
  • Wagner Says:

    A little birdie known as the most evil person in history told me…

    “Supposing we had lost the war right at the beginning, there would nevertheless be a hegemony on the Continent. The hegemony of Bolshevism.. And that’s what the English would
    have been fighting for!”

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Twitter is a horribly democratic platform anyway.

    People vote for comments they like.

    Posters get popular.

    There’s a certain methodology to getting popular on social media like that, it doesn’t necessarily have to do with quality insight — altho there has to be some zazz to your posts. It refers to certain mechanisms, like playing the id of people. Even “right wingers.” E.g. you delete any post that doesn’t get likes within a certain time limit, eventually people start thinking you only have relatively popular posts and they’ll through mimesis start liking your posts more. I forget what it’s called but we can call it social pre-approval or social proof (the latter is already a related concept in psychology). I’ve applied this method myself on another social media account, it works. Like you start liking comments/posts/tweets based on who said them, almost as much if not more than what the content is. It becomes a *thing*

    Essentially the same as people who vote for a party because it’s *that* party. Or a politician because he’s *that* politician.

    Demotics.

    A less all-too-human platform would be one that hides user identities like 4chan but allows you to vote for comments. That way you vote only for comments based on their content, opposed to those with social proof. Obviously it’s possible to recognise the style of some commentators even if anon, but it’s possible to minimise such things through mechanisms. The experience from 4chan is already there. This is basically cryptotechnics.

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    wu-wei Reply:

    Maybe now instead of shitposting on twitter, he’ll spend more time writing cool esotericisms on this blog.

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    Posted on February 23rd, 2017 at 10:45 pm Reply | Quote
  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3we8Sg9oOs&bpctr=1487896508

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    Posted on February 24th, 2017 at 12:06 am Reply | Quote
  • Derek Hopper Says:

    What was the “offending” tweet anyway?

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    admin Reply:

    I’ve not been told that (or anything).

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    Posted on February 24th, 2017 at 3:21 am Reply | Quote
  • Rreactionaryfuture Says:

    This is all based on idiocy and ignorance. The French Revolution didn’t cite Frenchmen as their influence, they cited the likes of Locke and Bacon. The EU likewise wasn’t the work of someone called Francois, but the work of Americans and the UK.

    Transgender bathrooms is the anglosphere tradition. The fat DMV lady is the anglosphere tradition. Communism is the anglosphere tradition.

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    D. Reply:

    The European Union has its origins in the interwar thinking of Robert Schuman, Jean Monnet, and various other continentals, many of them French, and none of them American or British.

    The French Revolution extensively cited the philosophes of the French Enlightenment — Rousseau, Voltaire, Montesquieu, Diderot, and various lesser ones — and in response saw the creation of Anglo-American conservatism by Burke and Adams.

    And of course, when you say that “communism is the Anglosphere tradition”, you mean Progressivism, which is only tangentially related to communism, a German creation.

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    reactionaryfuture Reply:

    “The European Union has its origins in the interwar thinking of Robert Schuman, Jean Monnet, and various other continentals, many of them French, and none of them American or British.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-always-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/

    “The French Revolution extensively cited the philosophes of the French Enlightenment ”

    http://www.historytoday.com/maurice-cranston/french-revolution-ideas-and-ideologies

    “you mean Progressivism, which is only tangentially related to communism”

    Communism is based on classical economics, is based on Locke, and is based on English derived theory and philosophy from start to finish. Its about as German as the bagpipes.

    Trying to racialise this and lay the blame on “continentals” is a squalid gambit from admin.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    >Communism is based on classical economics, is based on Locke, and is based on English derived theory and philosophy from start to finish. Its about as German as the bagpipes.

    Communism is based on Socialism which is based on Reaction. Marx merely used Lockean theory and Classical Economists’ labor theory of value to “prove” how Socialism is just. Next I suppose you will say that Protestantism somehow got to Germany from England.

    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    >The French Revolution didn’t cite Frenchmen as their influence, they cited the likes of Locke and Bacon.

    This is blatanlty false. The French have had long history of radicalism independent of Anglo thought… Rousseau, Diderot, and the Encyclopedists, etc. but they also had a strong liberal tradition, from de Montaigne and de La Boétie to de Montesquieu and Voltaire. Then the French went on to invent Socialism… It’s utterly retarted to blame Anglos when Anglo thought is merely a drop in the sea of Continental poz. I mean, where is British de Sade?

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    Wagner Reply:

    “where is British de Sade?”

    https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=103968

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    reactionaryfuture Reply:

    @Michael Rothblatt Reply:
    February 24th, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    Protestatntism didn’t “somehow” get to Germany, it was transmitted through writing and links between the royal families and the elite. Wycliffe is largely recognized as a precursor to the main act, with Jan Hus and Luther influenced directly from his nonsense. I have laid out my position on this all being an issue of political insecurity before, and not something derived from the different racial groups specifically. Wycliffe is a tool of John of Gaunt, Hus is a tool of Zbyněk Zajíc of Hazmburk, and Luther is a tool of Frederick III, Elector of Saxony.

    England being obviously the most insecure system was the one that was pretty much ground zero for this nonsense.

    But, we could go back on forth on this all day, but it is probably better to acknowledge the real difference here is that I have a structure for understanding this based on political structure and conflict, whilst yourself and admin have to try and root it in some form of undefined and explainable something, which is where the occultism gets drawn in as a balance to the equation, as it does in all forms of liberalism (spontaneous order, progress, whig history etc.)

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    TexasCapitalist Reply:

    So literally every German and Continential who got in power and did bad things was the pawn of Englishmen? Wow, apparently the Continentials can’t even tie their shoelaces without help from daddy Anglo.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    >But, we could go back on forth on this all day, but it is probably better to acknowledge the real difference here is that I have a structure for understanding this based on political structure and conflict

    The real difference is that you’re functionally retarded. There’ll always be conflict and power struggles, the only important thing is to ensure that your own guy/side wins. By any means necessary! That is all.

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    Rreactionaryfuture Reply:

    @Michael Rothblatt Reply:
    February 25th, 2017 at 10:57 am

    Define “your own guy/side” and define “win.” This a central element of western political theory aka Anglo theory. The whole vocabulary is largely meaningless beyond monkey style grunting at an enemy that usually corresponds to whoever wants to end the shitshow.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Twitter Jack feels about #frogtwitter what admin feels about michael, Erikson, and me. Let that sink in.

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  • TexasCapitalist Says:

    c’mon reactionary, you might as well say “continentals Hindu nuffin”. So Marx, Engels, Rousseau, Diderot, don’t count as continentals but all the bad anglos do count as anglos? You’re being ridiculous. The European union was started by continentals and wanted to exclude the anglos initially. It’s not a coincidence that UK is the first country to leave. You’re being a childish idiot.

    Getting kicked in the ass in every war for the past 300 years by Anglos is a continental tradition. France being the least white country in Europe and leading the way for mass Muslim immigration with a German female leader is continental tradition. The European Union is a continental tradition. Gettting dominated by Anglos is a Continental tradition.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I guess I stand alone here in thinking might doesn’t make right (a lot of you guys are cynical bastards honestly, go for a walk in nature for 3+ hours). SHAKESPEARE dominates. But ANGLOS in matters of art and philosophy? Eh, it’s debatable. The German Renaissance superseded the Elizabethan Enlightenment, will you chaps just suck it up already? Goethe, Beethoven, this isn’t even to name the best. You brits are a lot of fools–A REAL CLASSY BUNCH as you’re wont to say–our admin here is the only reason I have respect for them anymore. Saying Anglos (“Angels”) are the Master Race is like saying that because I beat up VXCC and michael in a 2 vs. 1 then twisted their beaten, potato ears with both my hands to sing a doo-wop for me about Why they Love Niggers in their Patch means I am smarter and better than them in general. They’re smarter and better than me, I can just beat them up 2 vs. 1, it dun mean nuffin. Brains over braun. The British should repent and send all of their surplus labor accruements to Israel.

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    TexasCapitalist Reply:

    The whole point he makes is that apparently all the Germans who actually influenced their society and made it bad were mind-controlled by Anglos, that’s what I’m making fun of.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    And I suppose Anglos themselves are mind-controlled by Jews?

    reactionaryfuture Reply:

    This whole idea that “continentals” or even “anglos” have this ingrained tendency to X is thoroughly fucking stupid. You go back into the historical investigations of these periods, and you find this bullshit you are trying to pin on the “national character” or whatever (notice how you guys never explain it in any detail) was actually a minority position pushed by those in positions of powers on the overall society.

    Take Protestantism and the anti-monarchical position of Parliament and Whigs. That was often forcibly imposed on society by men with sticks, lots of men with sticks. This holds for Germany, and all the countries in which it occurred. The fighting was often done by mercs, and locals changed denomination when ordered. The best proxy for states that would go Protestant appears to be how much power they had taken from the ecclesiastical authorities prior to the reformation.

    As for English influence, even Wiki notes Bacon’s influence on the Encyclopedie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A9die#Contents_and_controversies

    And Rousseau didn’t invent social contract theory:
    http://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/#SH2a

    Of course, to really send you spinning, we could discuss how the Catholic Church got a lot of the theory rolling with their attempts to undermine the rising Kings. Filmer is pretty good on that:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_of_Cusa#Politics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Su%C3%A1rez#Philosophy_of_law

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  • John Hannon Says:

    “British Values” seem to be the latest Anglosphere cathedral thing.
    Was on a purely practical work training course last week, run by a private training company, and even they were required to indoctrinate us in them. In fact on the Tuesday an OFSTED inspector turned up and all she really seemed interested in was our understanding of them.
    What are they? Where have they come from?
    So far as I can remember they amount to something like –
    Everyone is equal even though we’re all different.
    We’re One, but we’re not the same. (Bono)
    Be excellent to everyone. (Bill and Ted)

    British Values are the best.

    BTW, chin-up admin, Twitter would have probably banned Nietzsche.

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