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Chinese racism informs their view of the United States. From the Chinese perspective, the United States used to be a strong society that the Chinese respected when it was unicultural, defined by the centrality of Anglo-Protestant culture at the core of American national identity aligned with the political ideology of liberalism, the rule of law, and free market capitalism. The Chinese see multiculturalism as a sickness that has overtaken the United States, and a component of U.S. decline.

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  • Daniel Chieh Says:

    We have 55 other ethnic groups classified as minorities in China; we are a multicultural society.

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    smg Reply:

    Do those ethnic groups use democracy as a means to fight over political spoils?

    Right.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Democracy: the faith that collective wisdom rises from massed individual idiocy.

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    Brett Stevens Reply:

    Seems accurate. In addition, the denial that people in groups act like panicked, herded sheep.

    collen ryan Reply:

    I thought that was evolution?

    ArcticAlamut Reply:

    You’re not. You’re a multiethnic society. Big difference. A multicultural society has a very weak or even a non-existent Leitkultur.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Useful distinction. One might also use ‘polycultural’ to distinguish it from de so-called melting pot (i.e. corrosive or conflictive multiculturalism).

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    peterstone Reply:

    I wonder if Tibetans or Uighurs would have anything to say about that.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    There is least one representative per each minority group in the Chinese National People’s Congress, so that the best decisions can be made in an well-advised and democratic manner.

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    R. Reply:

    😀

    I wish I could give you an upvote for making me fondly remember the good old times

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyaKmZmL2Q0

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I wish I could give you an upvote

    No democracy here.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Democracy with Chinese characteristics.

    pyrrhus Reply:

    All of which minorities are treated as second class citizens by the Han. China is 80%+ Han, and is governed by the Han, and for the Han Chinese, who are regarded as citizens wherever they live worldwide.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Well, in a democratic government we must take care of the majority, after all.

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    Are China’s large cities 80-90% Han as well? Looking at maps, it appears that China’s ethnic minorities are scattered around the outskirts of a central Han state that stretches from the sea well into the interior. Or is this a misrepresentation? Are China’s cities as multiracial as America’s?

    admin Reply:

    No, that impression is accurate.

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  • Stirner Says:

    It would appear that GNON has an inside track on retaining the Mandate of Heaven.

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  • William Tarbush Says:

    “Seventh, as lamentable as it is, Chinese racism helps to make the Chinese a
    formidable adversary. There are three critical consequences that result from
    this. The first is the sense of unity the Chinese possess. Second, it allows the
    Chinese to have a strong sense of identity, which in turn permits them to
    weather adversity, and to be focused and secure confidence that the rest of
    the nation is with them. Third, China is not plagued by self-doubt or guilt
    about its past.”

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    “as lamentable as it is”, LOL! Here’s a guy who wants to keep his job….

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    snorlax Reply:

    China is not plagued by self-doubt or guilt about its past.

    They are, however afflicted by outrageous lies about their past for the aggrandizement of the ruling regime.

    (So are we, of course, but these sorts of things are more obvious to outsiders).

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  • Irving Says:

    “For Liang, the yellow and white races are wise; red and black are ignorant. Yellow and white are masters; red and black are slaves. Yellow and white are tight-knit groups; red and black are dispersed.

    “India’s failure to rise,” he wrote, is due to limitations of the race. All black, red, and brown peoples are in the micro-organisms of their blood and the slope of their brains is quite inferior to white men. Only the yellows and the white are not far removed from one another. Hence anything whites can do, yellows can do also.”

    “According to Liang, the great struggle for world domination would be between the Chinese and the whites. “Someday in the twentieth century, we Chinese will be the most powerful race in the world….The whites are arrogant and not up to the hardship. The blacks and browns are lazy and unintelligent. Therefore, except for us yellows, there is no race that could undertake such a task. North America and Australia today are areas for the white race’s colonies. South America and Africa will someday be areas for the yellow race’s colonies,…of that there is no doubt.””

    this report is pretty interesting….admin, what’s your sense of chinese attitudes, based on your personal experience?

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Gordon Chang is the best source on the future of China.

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    Irving Reply:

    i dislike and distrust gordon chang

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Aw. But he’s so adorable.

    In all seriousness, my evaluation and admin may have a better one, is that the Chinese are trying to overcome some major internal challenges. I don’t think there’s a lot of energy put into expansionary urges at all; colonization would be seen as wasteful and expensive. Cajoling the foreign leader is always superior when possible, often outright through bribes. This is not always possible, though, sometimes due to massive incompetence on many levels in, for example, Congo.

    Stabilizing the economy, reducing capital flight and attempting to improve the air quality appear to be the priority, as well as staking out enough space to try to drive American influence away from Asia. The Party needs strength to appear legitimate, and being able to stand up to the Final Boss, USA, is certainly something that can help prop up unity.

    Much of Western thought: diversity is strength, equality of outcomes, or even inviolate human rights are pretty much alien ideas in China. Some Western ideas have made inroads, but they’ve yet to become very dominant and the government actively tries to combat a lot of concepts.

    snorlax Reply:

    diversity is strength

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Races_Under_One_Union ?

    equality of outcomes

    Isn’t that the promise of Communism? (Yeah, sure, oversimplification; nevertheless the concept comes from Marx). Or did you mean equality of educational outcomes?

    On a different subject I have to say the XS comments section has become increasingly dismal, mostly cranks and people trolling the cranks for amusement. If he has the time I think it’d help if admin increased the ratio of long-form original content relative to links to Twitter.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    And according to the propaganda arm, China is also a democracy. As a culture, we’ve practiced saying one thing and doing another for at least two thousand years.

    Wagner Reply:

    @SNORLAX

    Cranks, trolls, michaels, et al can all agree we wish Land would write like he used to. The eye of history is gazing upon him so he’s freezing up. Wu wei! Wu wei! Wu wei is the only Way.

    snorlax Reply:

    @Daniel

    Sure, but they can’t be “alien ideas” if they currently are or have in living memory been linchpins of ChinaGov’s domestic-facing propaganda.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    In living memory, equality of outcomes is mocked pretty much openly as “eating from the same pot.” I suspect it may have originally had a positive connotation, but now is seen as negative.

    There’s no real fondness for diversity as the West knows it, its hard to really do Western-style diversity when the entire notion of self-esteem is rather alien. Its more of the assimilation ethic: how even barbarians can take to Confucian norms and become proper people.

    This is often portrayed as education having an uplifting and civilization force, but the distance between education and indoctrination is always fuzzy.

    admin Reply:

    Stereotypes are still definitely considered valuable cognitive resources in China, rather than as marks of original sin. So, Chinese-style, I’m tempted to say, the stereotypes are roughly true.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [admin] “Stereotypes are still definitely considered valuable cognitive resources in China, rather than as marks of original sin. So, Chinese-style, I’m tempted to say, the stereotypes are roughly true.”

    {AK}: Your ‘temptation’ arises as a nostalgic and defensive response, in the face of rising intimations of the inadequacy and collapse of those stereotypical categories.

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  • yado Says:

    If I were Chinese I would remain silent on this in order to ensure the end of an opposing power.

    Then again, it may be in their interest at this time to show solidarity with the struggles we’re facing. I view Chinese from a position of respect, in terms of the choices they’ve made and the strength of their tradition. I always have. Anglo-Chinese relations can take a few different paths, I think it’s one of – if not the absolute most important – defining aspects of how the future is going to look

    The more we work together the more excellent things will be. I M O

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    Seth Largo Reply:

    We don’t even need to work “together.” We simply need to recognize and respect our proper and separate spheres of influence, interfacing only where mutual benefits are to be found, minimizing points of contact that might lead to mutually assured instability.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    John Derbyshire’s “Arctic Alliance”: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/NationalQuestion/arcticalliance.html
    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/NationalQuestion/arcticalliance2.html

    It is not impossible to imagine the Japanese getting pozzed, flinging open their borders, etc. Even a Chinese Cathedral, though unlikely, is not a completely unreasonable extrapolation.

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  • reactionaryfuture Says:

    This, form both sides, is premised on assumptions and understanding of historical events which are simply…false. Demonstrably false. The first thing I did when scouring the first pages was note the reference to Civil Rights. How does the author, and the Chinese, view the Civil Rights movement? just same way that yourself, admin, must view it – random, spontaneous and somehow organic. An illness against “the political ideology of liberalism, the rule of law, and free market capitalism” as opposed to a symptom of it. You must of necessity, blind yourself to evidence laid out for you. This is simply self-delusion.

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  • AMK Says:

    “Most insidious is the Chinese belief that Africans
    in particular need Chinese leadership”

    Do I detect some Asianman’s burden?

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    admin Reply:

    It’s positively Galtonian.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    OH so its great when the chinese are racist but not NRX

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    I think you’ve confused “great” with “hilarious”

    collen ryan Reply:

    I have used the argument of what a chinese hegemony will mean to niggers to no avail. However the answer to your question is there is no burden without christianity.The niggers will carry the chinese burdens with or without mass castration, or the chinese will eradicate the niggers and try another race or robots. the chinese are not sentimental faggots they get theres is to survive by any means necessary and their success is the proof of their worth. I say this with no great pleasure but the brown races should have been eradicated 100 years ago they simply serve no purpose and are destroying us by their mere existence. this could have been done humanely now it will be a huge horrible mess

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    You misapprehend our methods and intent. We largely don’t care to dominate the rest of the world; you can’t have a siege mentality without trying to build up walls locally. There is neither an universalist religion nor an universalist attitude; when China was the world’s superpower in history, its notable that she chose to build Great Walls rather than invade and expand for colonies.

    Anon below has mentioned the more accurate method of how Chinese have ever tried to extend influence: through bribery or support of China-friendly politicians in other countries. We’re not all that fond of the use of violence when politics can be employed.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I must have missed that class on when china was a superpower, or did you mean potential superpower? when was that exactly?

    But thanks for demonstrating my point you refer to the communist chinese as “we” and yet If im not mistaken you’re a second generation american with a great job. So let me be clear I once was a cuck and beleived in libertarian utopia of multiculturalism and then i learned that really was a white thing that will never work because HBD.So while its great to know you won’t chimp out on us like the niggers and intend to follow a jew approach, somehow i’m not relieved. Maybe its because you slants already tipped your hand the past few years when you joined the anti white brigade.So Im sorry I reached my point also in the past few years and Im not going to pretend anymore we are friends. And you can tell yourself or tell the world its because im a troglodyte racist hater but we both know the truth white were fine with multiculturalist meritocracies in fact we invented and promoted them its you slant jews niggers and browns and sand niggers that turned it into a race war. so race war it will be

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Its been a pleasure.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    撫番 (“soothing the barbarians”) doesn’t work as well in comments sections, you may have noticed,

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    One of the fundamental realizations of HBD is the number of illusions that we all hold: this leads naturally to an the understanding of the impracticality of communicating with those who would not hear.

    collen ryan Reply:

    yeah well Daniel like the jews and the Arabs and the blacks i dont see the good Asians out in the streets saying hey we are not down with this white privilege meme i here crickets. And you know as well as ai know there was a sea change in this last generation of asians you know the ones with names like danny that grew up with all the benefits of living in the white world and how was that repaid?

    so yeah its been a pleasure, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Both China and India were economically dominant global powers for millennia. Europe only became somewhat comparable, by the 1600s.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Things moldbug never taught me

    Unitarians are jews

    https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170301/upper-west-side/fourth-universalist-society-vandalism-sanctuary-movement

    Wagner Reply:

    “so yeah its been a pleasure, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.”

    Nota bene, Daniel. If I were raised in China and had the first name Kungfu I would feel like an absolute slimeball encouraging Chinese genocide. And why do so many people like you encourage, and gleefully pine, for white genocide? Well, everyone else is doing it so why not?

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Kungfu isn’t a Chinese first name. I don’t encourage or pine for genocide, I am quite opposed to universalist notions and the Cathedral morals as a whole.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Also, it’ll be easier for me to identify with the West, if the West hasn’t lately become synonymous with the POZ.

    Wagner Reply:

    Daniel, kungfu isn’t a Chinese name but that is the level of respect your people warrants. You’re going to trust Land’s evaluation over mine but the Chinese are worthless, Land’s pathetic Christian pity is the only thing keeping you afloat intellectually. You have done nothing and you will do nothing. If you’re going to be complicit (despite your denials) in the desecration of my people, boy, I am metaphorically going to cave your head in, and one day perhaps non-metaphorically.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    You sound pretty tough for an Internet guy.

    Wagner Reply:

    The Chinese are responsible for the most deaths in world history. Your only virtue is you know how to screw like rabbits ad Confucianly ape the previous generation. You don’t care if the West is circling the drain, because if it goes down it just means you barbarians get a leg up.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Big W, producing clumsy and erroneous articulations, then resorting to threats, is so obvious a mark of your intellectual inferiority, laboured explanations are unnecessary. Your comments, and those of that other stupid maggot, only demonstrates the fevered mentality of highly contrived and simplistic politicisation, characterising a truly rootless American (USA) alienation. The huge irony of people like you, is your assumption of the very democratic values you despise, as the core legitimation of your incredible incompetence. The other irony of the inferior ‘All-Trite’, is compensating for intellectual failures with threats, whilst simultaneously condemning the so-called left tendencies over riots and protests. Daniel is intellectually superior to you, so you threaten him, confirming only your inferiority.

    There is no doubt, that Christian and Islamic cultures have far more blood on their hands then anyone else, save perhaps for Genghis Khan. European and Middle Eastern atrocities, however, have been their most significant exports.
    Chinese massacres have been largely internal, not visited on other nations. The other factors, you stupidly neglected, are discrepancy of base population sizes; historical durations; and regionalising choices.

    Wagner Reply:

    “The huge irony of people like you, is your assumption of the very democratic values you despise, as the core legitimation of your incredible incompetence.”

    Fair enough, this gave me a good chuckle. However, what I said still stands, for China as well as India: it is apparent that you people breed a lot and innovate little, much like beasts.

    Wagner Reply:

    “Boring damned people. All over the earth. Propagating more boring damned people. What a horror show. The earth swarmed with them”
    — Charles Bukowski

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Wagner] “Fair enough, this gave me a good chuckle. However, what I said still stands, for China as well as India: it is apparent that you people breed a lot and innovate little, much like beasts.”

    {AK}: Nothing you say ‘stands’, Big W, your outlook is biased and ignorant; your knowledge is fragmentary, disconnected, and configured only by the base distortions of that ignorance.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    I suppose I’m supporting certain alt-right movements with hard cold cash because I want the West “circling down the drain.” As for having a large population, entertaining as the thought is, the creation of said population required significant infrastructure and stable social systems, both which were assisted by Confucianism.

    For someone who claims to be so knowledgeable, perhaps you should try to understand the basics of how and why something works, rather than doing free association of ideas to suit your biases. Cognitive bias happens to the best of us, but usually, one tries to reduce it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Also, it’ll be easier for me to identify with the West, if the West hasn’t lately become synonymous with the POZ.

    I suppose I’m supporting certain alt-right movements with hard cold cash because I want the West “circling down the drain.”

    required significant infrastructure and stable social systems, both which were assisted by Confucianism.

    perhaps you should try to understand the basics of how and why something works,

    Your entire generation is genetic garbage, the stupidest most cowardly useless POS ever to be spat out a cunt God help you when the niggers come

    anon Reply:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Ping

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Not an argument in favor of extreme miscegenation. I’m convinced one of his parents was actually an extremely lumpy potato.

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    pyrrhus Reply:

    When the Chinese take over southern Africa in the 2040s, the Africans will be a burden indeed, and one that China most likely will want to dispense with….

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  • Anonymous Says:

    In case you don’t know, that comes from here:

    http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/Reading_Room/Other/

    CTRL-F “Litigation Release”

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    admin Reply:

    Thanks.

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  • conway Says:

    Don’t they have to actually win before such aspersions are validated though?

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  • Kino Says:

    《爱情》
    我买一把刀
    我们可以共用
    如果你不爱我了
    我就杀掉你
    如果我不爱你了
    你就杀掉我
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    你不在我身边的时候
    我想去找很多陌生人做爱
    然后再打电话全都告诉你

    如果你愤怒
    你越愤怒
    我才越感到安稳
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    我们喝了很多酒
    我们说了很多话
    很多真话
    很多假话
    是假话
    不是谎话

    为了故意
    伤害对方的假话
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    我回头
    你还站在那里
    我又回头
    你还站在那里

    我再回头
    门关上了
    我看不到你
    但是我知道
    你还站在那里
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    我知道
    我会爱你
    可是我怎么
    也想不到
    你也会爱我

    更让我不敢
    相信的是
    你竟然也是
    这样想的
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    鸟会不会飞着飞着就死了
    死了就停在那里
    像一只悬空的标本

    人会不会走着走着就死了
    在路口等红灯的时候就死了
    死了还站在那里
    像一棵树在冬天死了
    也不会马上被人发现

    想到你
    我真的好痛苦
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    我看着你
    还是会怕你会消失
    我抱着你
    还是会怕你会消失

    月亮不会消失
    太阳不会消失

    即使阴天
    即使你抬头看不到它们
    你也知道它们没有消失
    (我只有这样安慰自己)
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    有那么几天
    我们一起洗澡
    一起睡觉
    一起起床
    一起吃饭
    连撒尿也一起
    连拉屎也一起
    我拉屎
    你在旁边看着

    但是也
    只有那么几天
    2017.01.04

    《爱情》
    到了半夜
    大家都喝醉了
    有的在哭
    有的晕睡在地板上
    有的抱着垃圾桶在吐

    你在阳台晾洗衣机里
    早晨就洗好了的
    内裤和袜子

    我坐在沙发上看着你
    就像我们已经在一起
    生活了很久
    很久
    2017.01.04

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    You are applauded for your grasp of XS interface in actually getting Chinese characters up there…most of us have a hard time in English or indeed anything 😉

    maybe that was the PLA sysadmin….

    I’m here all day 😀

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Chinese is a world within the world.

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  • Sam Says:

    That paper was released by the DOD in response to a FOIA lawsuit. You can see the entire set of documents (from the Pentagon’s so-called “internal think tank”, the Office of Net Assessment) at http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/Reading_Room/Other/. Do a CTRL-F for “litigation release” to see the relevant files. There are some other gems in the collection, such as “21st century cultures of war: Advantage Them”, and “Trends in Elite American Attitudes Toward War”.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I could have saved them millions every race thinks they are the best race

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    John Hannon Reply:

    Like how “Trends in Elite American Attitudes Toward War” traces the cosmopolitan undermining of American nationalism back to Diogenes.
    Who’d have thought a cranky old bloke living in a barrel could be so influential?

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  • Sam Says:

    @Irving I think the One Belt One Road initiative is very clearly an (economic) expansionary project.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Its much much more than that russia and china have married,Symbiotically militarily and economically they have made commitments that are far more than allys they have become one in a relationship that makes them equally vulnerable to each other but so much stronger as a unit .
    and ethnically in the sense they both manage similar multi ethnic empires they intend to not end up with the problems of the west.

    when it sinks in whats happened the nigger obama will be remembered for a thousand years as the stupidest man in the world. And of course the jews will again be hoisted by heir own petard

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWHabwv0OwQ

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  • James James Says:

    @Anonymous

    The original is here: http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/Reading_Room/Other/Litigation%20Release%20-%20The%20Strategic%20Consequences%20of%20Chinese%20Racism%20%20201301.pdf

    The second report is here: http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/Reading_Room/Other/Litigation%20Release%20-%20China's%20Perception%20of%20Strategic%20Advantages%20of%20First%20Strike,%20Preemption,%20and%20Preventive%20Wars%20%20201406.pdf

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  • Wagner Says:

    “I say this with no great pleasure but the brown races should have been eradicated 100 years ago they simply serve no purpose and are destroying us by their mere existence. this could have been done humanely now it will be a huge horrible mess”

    This gave me a fit of the giggles! It’s the truth everyone knows deep in their hearts, it’s the reason Hitler is Satan, and it’s the reason we have political correctness today. The (((globalists))) are simply fairies who cannot do what needs to be done.

    “However, it was a fact; the Pacific had done nothing toward colonization of the planets. It was involved – bogged down, rather – in South America. While the Germans were busy bustling enormous robot construction systems across space, the Japs were still burning off the jungles in the interior of Brazil, erecting eightfloor clay apartment houses for ex-headhunters. By the time the Japs got their first spaceship off the ground the Germans would have the entire solar system sewed up tight. Back in the quaint old history-book days, the Germans had missed out while the rest of Europe put the final touches on their colonial empires. However, Frink reflected, they were not going to be last this time; they had learned.

    And then he thought about Africa, and the Nazi experiment there. And his blood stopped in his veins, hesitated, at last went on.

    That huge empty ruin.

    The radio said: ’… we must consider with pride however our emphasis on the fundamental physical needs of peoples of all place, their subspiritual aspirations which must be …’

    Frink shut the radio off. Then, calmer, he turned it back on.

    Christ on the crapper, he thought. Africa. For the ghosts of dead tribes. Wiped out to make a land of – what? Who knew? Maybe even the master architects in Berlin did not know. […]

    But Africa. They had simply let their enthusiasm get the better of them there, and you had to admire that, although more thoughtful advice would have cautioned them to perhaps let it wait a bit until, for instance, Project Farmland had been completed. Now there the Nazis had shown genius; the artist in them had truly emerged. The Mediterranean Sea bottled up, drained, made into tillable farmland, through the use of atomic power – what daring! How the sniggerers had been set back on their heels, for instance certain scoffing merchants along Montgomery Street. And as a matter of fact, Africa had almost been successful … but in a project of that sort, almost was an ominous word to begin to hear. Rosenberg’s well-known powerful pamphlet issued in 1958; the word had first shown up, then. As to the Final Solution of the African Problem, we have almost achieved our objectives. Unfortunately, however –

    Still, it had taken two hundred years to dispose of the American aborigines, and Germany had almost done it in Africa in fifteen years. So no criticism was legitimately in order. Childan had, in fact, argued it out recently while having lunch with certain of those other merchants. They expected miracles, evidently, as if the Nazis could remold the world by magic. No, it was science and technology and that fabulous talent for hard work; the Germans never stopped applying themselves. And when they did a task, they did it right.”

    Philip K. Dick, The Man in the High Castle

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    collen ryan Reply:

    wag have you read radish? its a better brand of reaction than lands its odd he seems to have gone down the memory hole

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    admin Reply:

    Highly recommended from here, too.

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  • Wagner Says:

    I think that a second civil war is afoot and we shouldn’t hesitate to put a gun to the heads of leftists and let their brains spray out. That is our holy mission. The Age of Lies is coming to a close.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I see no scenario where it does not come down to fight or submit and eventually die, its debatable if war is even winnable anymore. This is pretty much my entire argument with some reaction its a pipe dream.
    good whites are naive and think we can all get along, jews and asians can never see themselves as white or fully assimilate or feel safe in white lands but will not give up white lands and so will always triangulate the ape people against whites to attain dominance.
    land and moldbug do not want to face the leftism of good whites and the leftism of jews while intermingled are of completely different genomes. good white leftism is not anti white its give peace a chance why cant we all get along. jew leftism is anti white. Because jews can not see themselves as white and in fact see whites as the great satan they are comfortable in anti whiteness, and white replacement and genocide. Good whites almost never are ok with this though we are at a maximum. Most goodwhites brush of anti white talk as hyperbole or excusable on some level and not really a serious threat at any rate.

    elite leftists are not simply silly naive people they control the armed forces both civilian and military and intelligence agencies of the world and they routinely use them to murder by the hundreds of thousands they are very clear they intend to use them on any whites that attempt to thwart white replacement. Few goodwhites understand whats being done, they think they are being kind following order maintaining order following laws righting wrongs being christian. Its the rare good white understands, those that due are getting a lot of money and power out of the deal

    so when smart people who see this suggest we will escape via space colony, we will use a robot army and bitcoin ti force them to give us a place to set up a monarchy or that they will collapse and simply surrender. well I get a little frustrated because thats all fucking bullshit. even MM explains BTC can be shut down in a nanosec. Newsflash darpa already has a robot army they already have genetically engineered animals to be controlled by electronic implants anything you can imagine they already did ten years ago.This blog exists at their pleasure.you exist at their pleasure.That offends me and any man that is not offended by that im sorry to say is a fucking faggot that does not deserve to live.

    The great reply to all this is dude you cant fight city hall wheres my tendies.fucking sad. The reality is now is the last opportunity to fight them and at least half the world wants to fight them they have not completed their opticon. Clever people could find all sorts of ways to start to take them out. This reply that its about muh militia is a faggots attempt to justify inaction. where are your robot armies mr Land? because if you can really deploy them now would be the time, and if its the larp we all know it to be then now would be the time to admit it and settles for a good virus or hack, a good political trap, a clever false flag op. or a thousand other strategies. Take this kid Wilson an anarchist he releases a 3D PRINTED GUN funny the great reactionary futurists couldnt come up with that too busy writing about the JQ so he can then gotcha everyone who had the wrong answer to JQ.

    Im sorry I know you guys who are not wish you were in the master race of jews or at least Asians, i get it but heres the thing HBD- there is no master race called cogelites despite what the cathedral would have you believe. jews dont want you they dont trust you they only want to temporarily ally with you. You know what that saddens me too, I really wish that redhead jeffersons little plan would have worked out niggers and all. But it didnt it cant it never will. The next closest thing is maybe possibly a detente among nations. So Im willing to give that a shot however Im skeptical even that will work out.

    nations are patches, nations on reactionary principles will have sub patches,ethno nations get HBD a reactionary foundation principle,I dont see any reason white /western ethno nations would suddenly abandon capitalism or technology.
    While its fine to want to shorten the left tail of your ethno state and lengthen the right and which will be so much easier in an ethno state. deciding 1% of the state is going to move up to Elysium is retarded you wont survive alone peoples are organisms the head cant survive alone but the entire body can be bred. while democracy like religion capitalism and other systems has been pwnd by leftists it really not the problem per se- im really sorry that triggers you MM acoltytes but the fact is The cathedral is the model for a reactionary monarchy. even moldbug explains the entire cathedral is an end run around democracy. this is not to say its a great system its just I see no evidence the problem is white proles using democracy to vote for free shit, i see white proles tryin ti no avail to vote for a more reactionary government and jews using the cathedral to thwart this. i only argue this pro democracy because i think the chance of reimposing monarchy or serfdom on whites is zero because HBD and so why waste the effort when all you need to do is seize the cathedral. I do think democracy could be tweaked in very reactionary favorable ways without objection. and i do see a loot of problems with monarchy type systems thats never been addressed in reaction.

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  • J Says:

    Very poor paper. It deals a lot with winning over African public opinion by pointing out that the Chinese feel superior to Africans. Is that unknown? The Chinese have been second class citizens in their own country since the Yuan dynasty, they have profound sense of humiliation and inferiority. They necessarily have a lot of psychological issues vis-a-vis foreigners. Second, how important is for the DoD African public opinion? Zero?

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    D. Reply:

    What happened to your blog, J?

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  • SVErshov Says:

    @KINO if this analysis would be translated to Chinies and published in China that only can be undertood as complete lunacy.

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  • spandrell Says:

    This is pretty much bullshit; but like Tacitus making up Germanic virtue in order to criticize his fellow citizens, I can only approve of the attempt to use the Chinese threat in order to get Americans to be more racist.

    Not that I think it’s going to work, but still.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @
    you dont think the chinese think they are the best race? you dont think the chinese understand niggers are sub human? maybe its only american chinese that are race realists huh

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    I don’t think we are “best” race. Our admixture is incredible, to be honest. Race informs governance, but governance also informs governance.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Obviously daniel I wasnt refering to you,or you wouldnt be here calling yourself daniel.
    I meant chinese people youre nothing but a race traitor.
    heres the deal with multiculturalism when you are raised to think all races/cultures are great kids like you come to understand race/culture is meaningless and when you get bored with your gadgets life is meaningless.
    People that are raised to love their race/culture see the humanity is other race/cultures and like a hunter honoring the prey they have killed respect it.

    you neither love my culture nor your own like a man a real human does, you are a rootless cosmopolitan a jew like race traitor you love nothing you are nothing you sow nothing and will reap the wind. Asian or my people may win but you will share nothing

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    That’s some epic projection. Well done.

    By the way, having one Western name and having one Eastern name is very common and doesn’t actually speak of anything of someone’s opinions. I’ll rather not have to trouble others in an obviously English board with my traditional Chinese name.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Don’t mind our local orcs, Mr. Chieh.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Thank you Daniel for having a Biblical name. Naming sensibility is not distributed equally among any population today, and Chinese aren’t immune. I have worked with Chinese people named Clabby, Ice and even Mutant.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Or the blind imitation of names they see in Western movies. Some of the best moments on Weibo:

    “hello my name is George Clooney. How do you do.”

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    John Derbyshire once mentioned a Chinese professional bowler with the first name Hitler.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Whats a point in all this analiticity when meaning is lost. Essentialism without meaning is a pure lunacy.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Stupidity, obstinacy, and mental illness.
    Neoreaction is full of it.
    They are inferior; and they know it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    arty so when was this that the wogs ruled the world? or did you just mean some wogs ruled some other wogs and that made them a super power among wogs? cause last time i checked china and india never conquered their own lands let alone the world. i notice youre not off on a wog blog moving the world why is that arty why did you come to the white mans world?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [collen ryan] “arty so when was this that the wogs ruled the world? or did you just mean some wogs ruled some other wogs and that made them a super power among wogs? cause last time i checked china and india never conquered their own lands let alone the world. i notice youre not off on a wog blog moving the world why is that arty why did you come to the white mans world?”

    {AK}: What does this say; “Both China and India were economically dominant global powers for millennia. Europe only became somewhat comparable, by the 1600s.”?

    Does it say anything about “ruling the world”? No.
    It says “economically dominant global powers”.
    The comparison concerns economic regions, not territories of militarised acquisition.
    In those days, there was nothing else, no reason or inclination to conquer.
    But both India and China sent out emissaries of their civilisations, as gestures of genorosity.
    If you knew how to read, you would know that I’ve got a blog.

    Salmed Reply:

    He’s going We Wuz. Angus Maddison’s work demonstrates the Far Eastern and South Asian GDP per capitas weren’t significantly higher than Europes.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    If we were to contrast NRx with similarly high IQ leftists, the latter would outpace the former in all manner of pathology despite kicking in a world made by and for them. To begin with, I’m pretty sure no one within NRx has AIDS.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    All political groupings are basically ‘socialist’.
    ‘Left’ and ‘Right’, are contingent and arbitrary.
    Politics is pathology.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    @SVErshov

    Appears to support contrary perspective, actually.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Maddison#/media/File:1_AD_to_2003_AD_Historical_Trends_in_global_distribution_of_GDP_China_India_Western_Europe_USA_Middle_East.png

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It supports exactly what I said.
    But these mentally ill ‘All-Triters’, who you’ve been nothing but polite to; can only dig the substandard ‘Bull-shit’, as they say; located between their ears; and shovel it into their ‘comments’.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @SVErshov
    the wog has a blog and you wuz kangs got it
    BTW what caste are you?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Learn to read, then ask questions.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    negro it is

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    >highly contrived and simplistic politicisation, characterising a truly rootless American (USA) alienation

    Good phrase.

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    Wagner Reply:

    If you guys were a white male in America you’d get ragey from time to time too.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    “If you guys were a white male in America [with no marketable skills and low serotonin] you’d get ragey [as opposed to angry, because anger is an adult emotion] from time to time too.”

    FTFY.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Cryptogenic, the Eryximachean quack that knows everything about vaginal discharge and nothing about life.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Well, infants aren’t discharged, they are delivered.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    dischargd’coropreal

    collen ryan Reply:

    thats not true i have lots of skills money alpha male status family tall built good looking ive fucked more girls in the ass than you have even spoken to.and Im homicidally pissed its the only appropriate reaction to whats going on. this stiff upper lip faggotry is just faggotry dressed up as Im above standing up to the bullies brutallity my pocket protector signals this didnt you notice my pocket protector im not a coward im a nerd and we will have our revenge just as soon as I finish my spy vs spy paradoy zine and finish wacking off to sissification porn and……

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Nothing is wrong with anger, as it can be motivating. Direct it appropriately, though. NRX is not the enemy.

    You’ll do more good for the white race if you print out posters in AmRen and post them up in the local community college than any of your venting toward us.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Crypt, maybe you should take some time off and work on delivering yourself. I would say to expect a stillborn but you’re admittedly a more or less smart guy so I won’t exaggerate. Good luck, I recommend zazen.

    Dan, I’m glad there’s both. I wouldn’t call it venting as much as impassioned chastisement. This blog is pozzed! and I get rotten eggs thrown at me for pointing it out.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    lol. Wagner, how about you present some ideological alternatives? or at least some positive replacement of what you deride

    If you want to see white I slam, it ain’t gonna ex nihilo itself out of the bag

    collen ryan Reply:

    actually NRx says pwn the elites dont incite an insurrection of proles. My intent is to radicalize you elites to finish your thought

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Thanks, G. Eiríksson, glad you like it. 🙂

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    😉

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    Wagner, you’re not the first to point out the perceived shortcomings of Land from a or b perspective. The problem (and it is common problem) is, you just haven’t used the search function adequately. Typically he has set down his positions clearly. In fact, I can’t think of any other blogger who has so often articulated himself from the ground up. I mean, you sound as if you haven’t even read The Dark Enlightenment or Hell Baked or Hyper Racism. What has Land deviated from so drastically? Or is there something at the core of his thought that is logically compromised? Kind of don’t trust you to be able to root this out.

    The “arguments” that Land is a crypto-leftist, not pro-white enough, or is compromised because of his personal life are hackneyed and stupid at this point.

    You have a very Boolean notion of distance/dramatization, as if anyone surviving and regulating their serotonin by positioning themselves in a hierarchy, itself a human structure older than trees, must be a “merely objective” laborer (BGE 6, “We Scholars”). This is coming from someone who listens to audiobooks while filling orders at Amazon or whatever.

    Cruel, yes, but if you’re going to question others’ modes of existence, it is fair to wonder about yours. Then it becomes clear.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I’m sorry you’re offended that I think your choice to live a normal life is slavish, but it’s true. Someone has to do the dirty work, and the real men have to do the real work. Moldbug wanted us to read old books, not spend 40 hours a week being a baby-cog. You’re just spoiled potential, crypt, quit trying to rub it off on me. And I hope you enjoy your gold-digger “pussy” for now as I expect your conscience will catch up to you eventually, as will Jack’s, assuming his heart doesn’t go POP beforehand from all that amphetamine-abuse.

    It’s been a while since I read Hell Baked so I’ll have to get back to you on that (perhaps tomorrow) but I have expressed my reservation about Hyper-Racism and the end of the Dark Enlightenment before a few times now (I agree with DE for the most part but the end sort of frames the whole thing): postulating the AI creates a relativism about race and about leaders, and thus has the psychological effect of leftism. Jack’s never shown any sign he’s absorbed this critique, hence I keep coming after him with hammer and tongs.

    Put differently, my impression is that his intent is to forget about the petty squabbles that divide humanity because there is something much greater that is going to come, which, in contrast with even our best (it’s between Anglos, Germans, and Jews) will be the literal Ubermensch and dwarf them all beyond imagination. Okay, that may be true, but as michael has been hammering in again and again this is somewhat of a fairy tale (well, for Heidegger AI isn’t even possible whatsoever)–it’s an ideal that makes us forget about the reality that we have in our hands right now, which is, a bunch of equalist-vengeance kikes, masochistic-christian whites, and Little Artxells are attempting to vaporize the greatest race that has ever lived. I hope an AI comes but in the meantime we need to concern ourselves with the *prevention of leveling*. Say it will take us 200 years to spawn a competent AI, well, with multicultural bullshit it’s going to take 2000 years because everyone will be half-chinese, which is to say humbly obedient, calm (non-ragey!!!), unwilling to take risks. If we want an AI (and frankly I don’t give a damn about an AI, may the AI smite me) it’s going to be people with white or whitish skin that invent it, Jack is a Dummkopf for thinking Asian math skillz mean they have the innovative faculties of whites that history has abundantly, to the point of HUMILIATION of other races, demonstrated.

    Furthermore, Exit is a philosophy that betrays an insufficient misanthropy. If 99% of people are complete idiots, I’m sorry let me be polite, if 98% if people are complete idiots why should they have the right to exit? If they exit they will exit to the most hedonistic patch possible. Ontologically, humans need shepherds; without them they wander off and get devoured by wolves of vice. I think Moldbug was much more of an authoritarian than Jack, maybe you can link me to posts that demonstrate the contrary? The dude never mentions Carlyle, it always made me laugh when he spoke of entryism, as if he weren’t entryist scum himself. Reactionary Future may be on a similar wave-length here; I haven’t read much of his stuff but the disdain that Jack consistently slaps him with is rather telling, it almost gives one the impression that RF is a threat??

    Anyway, Cryptogenic, I appreciate the question and I hope you can respond to my criticisms fairly and eloquently. I would love to be banished from this place, it’s just no one has given me the green light. Today at my job (which is much more chandala-esque than an Amazon drone) while sitting at the feet of Tacitus I thought of you:

    “You indeed will cling with the same constancy to honor, freedom, friendship, the best possessions of the human spirit, but others will seek to weaken them with their servility. You will be fiercely assailed by adulation, by flattery, that worst poison of the true heart, and by the selfish interests of individuals. You and I speak together to-day with perfect frankness, but others will be more ready to address us as emperors than as men. For to urge his duty upon a prince is indeed a hard matter; to flatter him, whatever his character, is a mere routine gone through without any heart.”

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Right, I remember the part where Moldbug said “Don’t practice medicine.” A damning critique.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    I also remember the part where Moldbug suggests that any industry is wrong, which is why he hermits and no longer develops anything.

    My dear Wagner: the issue is that your premises are wrong, as I see it. For example, what is artificial intelligence and what it does, is largely not related to innovation or creativity. Machine learning is largely just predictive analysis and is indeed very heavily based around calculations: set analysis, covariable determination, etc. This is something I once worked with; it doesn’t seem like you have really done anything with it before.

    Your issues with Exit are similar. It really doesn’t matter if hedonistically driven humans go to the places of least resistance and proceed to self-destruct. Its a self-solving problem. For example, from a corporate standpoint, is there indeed a reason why I want to retain low performers? No, of course not.

    The assumption that IQ and “match skillz” are exactly matched is pretty off. Raven Matrices, etc, really have little to do with mathematics per se, and are more involved with mental manipulations. That said, I’m pretty much in agreement that East Asians largely are more incurious but I can note this without feeling passionate one way or another. One works with one’s strengths, and weaknesses.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Guys, I’m sick of liars. You wonder why I have the impulse to kill, well, it’s because I don’t think killing robots is really killing. You’re kind of just being powered off. Sorry I’m the only one that tells you the truth, you shouldn’t hate me, you should just take my advice and grow from it. Jack, if he were not Trump-POZ’d would agree, but alas.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    That doesn’t sound psychotic at all.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    @Wagner Theanine is useful for stress relief and can be found in green tea, as well as a supplement. I don’t think we hate you, that’ll take a lot of emotion.

    Wagner Reply:

    Suffice it to say I combined ad hominem with actual points, and I’m waiting for you to respond to the latter.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Just for the record when many think I imply Land is a leftist I am actually saying the Cathedral is reactionary is the sense the cathedral is authoritarian, religious, contemptuous of the people’s will, elitist, aristocratic, fascist, etc I say if you want to tweak the religion a bit then take over the cathedral but you will probably find cathedral aristocrats dont believe the religion anyway and simply use it as a reactionary would. Even the cathedral spendthrift economics are probably done in full knowledge once the project is complete debt will be irrelevant.Patchwork is far more demotist than the cathedral ambitions.I frankly could care less about either of your philosophies except that neither will work.

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    Wagner Reply:

    The people are stupid and slave-like, why shouldn’t we be contemptuous of their will?

    “According to Aristotle, the apparent rule of all in democracy is in fact the rule of a part. Among equals, the fair, nay, the only possible way compatible with deliberation, of deciding issues where unanimity is lacking is to abide by the will of the majority, but it so happens that the majority of freemen in practically every city is the poor; hence democracy is the rule of the poor. Democracy presents itself as the rule of all or it bases its claim on freedom and not on poverty, because titles to rule are more credible if based on an excellence rather than on a defect or a need. But if democracy is rule of the poor, of those who lack leisure, it is the rule of the uneducated and therefore undesirable.”

    […]

    “[I]t is just to enslave men who are by nature slaves; men who are slaves not by nature but only by law and compulsion are unjustly enslaved; a man is a slave by nature if he is too stupid to guide himself or can do only a kind of work little superior to the work done by beasts of burden; such a man is better off as a slave than free.”

    Leo Strauss, “On Aristotle’s Politics”

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    collen ryan Reply:

    “The people are stupid and slave-like, why shouldn’t we be contemptuous of their will?”

    Wag I wasn’t actually judging contempt for the people’s will rather pointing out the cathedral is as much or more contempt for it as reaction.It seems to me I am not alone moldbug himself seems to critique and describe “the Cathedral;” as mechanism for subverting the people’s will. Personally I think The Cathedral is brilliant in its way. And i think a reactionary aspirant ought to simply take over the Cathedral although i wonder sometimes if that’s even necessary because once you understand cathedral Elites dont actually believe the religion you start to wonder if its not already a reactionary system. Thus I tease land that hes just mad they haven’t invited him to head Davos or Elysium.
    Of course all this sort of depends on definitions of elites and people and who is really running the cathedral and for what ends. I dont see your average cathedral SJW as really being in on the game, I dont think Clinton is actually an egalitarian,I dont think clinton land differ much in their contempt for teh peeeps. But i also question of course who these peeps are and what actually constitutes an elite person vs an elite position.I have had an interesting life and can move freely between street thugs and black tie events at the met. I dont see the strong cognitive or otherwise meritorious distinctions falling where they seem to be presumed to fall, or at least there is tremendous overlap. In short I am not unconvinced the first hundred names in the boston white pages couldnt do a better job than Soros Clinton frankly gasp im not sure Musk theil would really do any better, maybe better than Clinton the phone book not so much.Ruling i find is not really about raw IQ and raw IQ I find impairs ruling, thus Clinton Obama are not Theil Musk. But if you read some things Theil musk say you realize while its who as king i would put in charge of building a chaper rocket i would not give them free reign over the realms entire transportation system.
    None of this should be interpreted to mean i dont believe in hierarchy of course i do its just that we have it and we still have problems.
    But all that said
    But i will take the bait.
    Why shouldnt we have contempt for the will of the” people”.

    well first off its bad for the health, I think sovereignty and ownership resides in the people because if moved to they can rise up and kill you. When elites want to challenge other elites they have a habit of enlisting this normally dormant ultimate power. So if as a ruler you have not made and honored a contract with the people you are going to eventually find your challengers have trumped you.

    Its not necessary the peoples will and your own are not at odds, the people are not micro managers, the people understand hierarchies work best, most people grasp their true position in a hierarchy in fact they grasp it more accurately the lower on the pecking order they are.The peoples will is good government to be left alone with dignity to raise a family. Its takes quite a lot to rouse the people to pitchfork you. Because of this elites usually get greedy and see how far they can push the people. giving the competition to the challenger.

    This idea that its the people that are messing things up I find specious Clinton and Soros Bush and Zuckerberg are messing things up. The people keep voting for sanity, the elites use the cathedral psy ops and immigration and courts and whatever tricks they can to thwart the peoples votes for sanity. people are reactionary elites are liberal

    To the extent the people are stupid and slave like is tue though sort of a spectrum. as said the peole know this and in their wisdom hire rulers. But in terms of the spectrum the less stupid and slave like expect the rulers they contracted to keep the worst in line through criminal law. but they also expect elites to use culture law tradition etc to cultivate the stupid and slavelike. It really shouldn’t be hard for cogelites to do this particularly since the people want this and the targets so easy to manipulate but elites instead of using the tried and true like to experiment which make the people wonder if the elites are not the stupid ones.

    Its capitalism the people not only own the nation because they can they own it because they built it. No one denies that its the newtons and the musks and henry fords that took the nation leaps forward, the people get this and have no problem paying these people handsomely but their is no elon musk without his mom making him peanut butter sandwhiches, or henry ford without a highway system, theres no capitalism without consumers there no international trade without idaho farm boys manning aircraft carriers, no iphones …… This is not a workers of the world unite but amazon doesnt exist without the cooperation of the entire nation and they need to get paid a fair share. in a perfect world this is an accepted wage. Now some may think if bezos can import mexicans and drive wages down thats fair. I dont I think the infrastructure that bezos uses was built before bezos by the proles forebears and passed down ti the proles they give it away fairly cheap but will not give it away free for long. I would go farther and offer bezos and his corporation staus as an american company or to operate as an international company. Someone owns that infrastructure the coursts that enforce his contracts the pilce that maintain his warehouse security the aircraft carrier that guards his container ships the highways his UPS trucks deliver the right of way for the cables carrying his bandwidth.the universities that produced his employees.What is the value of access to the american consumer and labor market? Heres a thought experiment imagine all that infrastructure was owned by Halliburton, what do you think they would charge for it to all the businesses that use it.?? To a ;large extent the commie obama is correct he didnt build that. yeah i threw up in my mouth typing that but there is some truth its a matter of price discovery. While i see ample evidence of cog elites trying to inflate the value of that infrastructure to gain power i havnt noticed a crowd with pitchforks demanding to be paid more for its use.The idaho navy seal and arizona road builder and NYC cop all get that their personal dividend is tiny compared to say bezos
    But this all goes deeper still its biological I like to think i would be included in any Elysium exit (although one objection is an elite cog spiral where no one is included) but the fact remains elites could not realistically abandon the rest of their relatives and survive, I think the most exclusive club that sustainable would be an ethnostate. Granted it not that exclusive but i thinks its the smallest possible starting point and i think it would be possible from that point to engineer a much more talented and less far distributed population. I think that would be far more likely to survive than a multicultural Elysium I would bet my life on it. Elysium fantasy is not only not sustainable because look around you, its not ever going to happen. And i promise i have no moral qualms as you no m the guy who just said the lower races should have been eradicated 100 years ago Im fine eradicating the the left tail of the white race in fact im strongly in favor of it and i think the way to go about it is to start with a ethno state or actually many ethno states of euro peoples and then proceed to up our game

    I could probably thnk of more reasons but its basically comes down to check your premises and definitions and work the alternatives down to the last detail and you find the fantasies are fantasies and democracy is not the real problem. switzerland i think is a place to look at democracy per se and white people but thats an ill formed guess

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    @SVErshov

    Hi Artxell,

    I’ve been trying to become familiar with the locals. What stripe are you? I notice you like to practice an exotic hermeneutic on the savages.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Rohme Giuliano] “Hi Artxell,

    I’ve been trying to become familiar with the locals. What stripe are you? I notice you like to practice an exotic hermeneutic on the savages.” The

    {AK}: In no way, is my “exotic hermeneutic” localised!
    Any effect of ‘apparent intervention’ is merely coincidental.
    A different circuit of ‘communication’ occurs through my ‘hermeneutic’; I hesitate to say, ‘greater’, because that would suggest the possibility of comparison between ‘hermeneutic’ and the static, of ‘savagery’.
    It is only as a necessary and subsidiary ‘noise’ or ‘disturbance’ phenomenon, with respect to Artxell Knaphni’s incomparable Hermeneutic Glory, that Neoreaction and the ‘All-Trite’ eternally find their function.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    THE SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS OF THE ALL-TRITE AND THEIR EXCEPTIONAL STUPIDITY

    The founding assumptions behind Wagner’s and Collen’s questions are wrong. It’s difficult to explain the finer points to them, because they lack sufficient background knowledge, philosophical acumen, and most importantly, they don’t have open minds. I say all this, not to insult them, but to point out that cultural comparison is not easy and straightforward to do well.

    People such as ‘Wagner’ and ‘Collen’, are quite obviously indoctrinated foot soldiers of the typical Occidental regime, their fevered outputs conditioned only by the fundamentalist bent of their indoctrinations. There is no ‘enlightenment’ involved,
    whether ‘dark’ or otherwise.
    The emphasis of a particular set of Darwinian fixations has never ceased, forming the basic folk-cultural background that we all grew up with, in Britain. Land’s ‘dark’ emphasis of these fixations renders no illumination at all, but only totalitarian reduction to an impoverished image of these folk-cultural fixations, with their limited and narrow terms. Such simplification has enormous appeal to those of a fundamentalist disposition, offering easy but often erroneous routes of connection at the most basic of levels.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Advocates of Eurocentric exceptionalism often fall into contradiction over their claims. For instance, a general schema that is often followed, is the valorisation of whatever the Eurocentric advocate perceives European contributions to be, until non-European precedence is shown, at which point, disingenuous shifts occur:

    If the Eurocentric advocate privilege’s theoretical knowledge over practice and labour, in order to diminish, say, the contributions of manual workers; that would valorise originating ideas. In most significant cases, however, Europeans didn’t actually originate, or innovate, very much at all, working mostly in the area of technical implementations.

    If the Eurocentric advocate privilege’s technical implementation over theoretical knowledge, in order to diminish the contributions of non-European origination of ideas; that would privilege practical implementation, the management of manual work. One could then say, that it is not in the realm of originating innovation that Europe is significant, but in that of a highly motivated application.

    So, the advocate of Eurocentric exceptionalism typically justifies manual exploitations through citing and valorising European theoretical contributions. Hilariously, the same advocate of the Eurocentric, diminishes non-European theoretical contributions, through citations of European application and implementation.
    Trapped between two exploitations of the non-European, which he tries to justify with contradictory logics, the Eurocentric advocate has always had to resort to disingenuous misrepresentations, more to convince himself than anyone else. When an entire culture bases itself on such founding dishonesty, that chosen foundation can only be the horizon of its dissolution.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Neoreactionaries make a lot of noise about ‘high-trust’ institutions, implicitly suggesting racial characteristics of honesty, discipline, and organisation.
    On analysis, however, the germinating conditions of those three characteristics can be seen as born out of necessity. As they say, ‘Necessity is the mother of invention’. So it’s easy to see the highly conditional nature of European institutional emergences. The institutional emergences were not at all to do with the alleged racial characteristics cited, but merely followed a logical line of incentivisations conforming to prior historical and environmental developments. Through implementing organised structures, the disincentives of honest behaviour could be distributed elsewhere, mainly to the Colonies. This ‘shell game’of moral distributions, in conjunction with the earlier mentioned contradictory justifications, constitutes a mechanism of perpetually deferred ethical responsibilities, in favour of avaricious gains. Beset by contradiction and mechanised deferral of responsibility, ethical intuition is obliterated, and the European psyche is itself reduced to being only a reflex of its avaricious gains; just another Occidental android, of the European type.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Structural racism is real in the USA, it isn’t obviated by surface inflations of so-called ‘Cultural Marxism’ in universities and colleges; or tawdry PC and ‘Affirmative Action’ legislations; all of that creates a lot of media noise, but has very little actual effect.
    Without some form of global responsibility, at least to the extent of actual human global operations, most political claptrap is just primate social narcissism, extended through political irresponsibility, into devastating global effects.
    In the aftermath of this scenario, not even the programmed mechanisms of primate hatred and irresponsibility are left, as testament to innumerable neglects.

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  • Wagner Says:

    @crypt:

    As Jim and Land have said,

    “a little psychopathy provides immunity to Cathedralization.”

    Do you even neoreaction?

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    I didn’t say you were psychopathic, which you aren’t (you’re depressed). I said you sounded psychotic, i.e. not grasping reality well. I don’t wonder about any of your impulses.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Respond to my arguments, coward.

    If you think Gentle Mencius’s “Reset” is going to be as hunky-dory and idealized as he depicts it you’re deluded.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    you realize this NRX is just NRO 2.0

    admin Reply:

    Sure, if “NRO 2.0” is zero-democracy commercialized government. That seems a stretch, but whatever.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Got about two graphs in and :rolleyes: at muh huh-wyte race this, that and the t’other. Not the first time a humanist has taken Romantic offense here, and not the first one to INGENIOUSLY find the etiology in Land’s private life. Maybe the first one to openly admit to being a disappointed serf. Remember, dominance hierarchies are serotonin regulated and even appear in lobsters who almost entirely lack a CNS. If you think you can exist apart from hierarchies, you seriously misunderstand the biological structure of humans (and lobsters). This is why you took anti-depressants after not making the cut in college.

    Surprising inability to grasp the non-dialectical character of Exit. Who cares if hedonists set up a patch with UBI and full automation, even if they manage to deter enemies? No mention of CRISPR editing or even libidinal economy. What’s up with that? Not even a thought given to lesser possibilities like nootropics.

    Dreyfus — Dreydegger — is more pessimistic about AI than Heidegger (ostensibly), whose philosophy I am not convinced cannot accommodate a Daseining AI. But even if it can’t, there is no logical reason why Daseining will be necessary. There is no reason why language will be necessary. There is no reason why sensibility as a form of experience will be logically necessary, as we know since the Transcendental Aesthetic.

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    Wagner Reply:

    What have non-whites done? I went through a phase when I believed white supremacy doesn’t real, then I stopped being a liberal. If you want to breed with a chink go for it, take one for Team One-Humanity. I’ve been to China, they’re an inferior, second-world people, feebly masquerading as wypipo; it fills one with pity to behold.

    Hierarchies are ineluctable, mine is:

    Nietzsche > Plato > Heidegger > Strauss > Bataille > secondary philosophers like Jack and Laurence Lampert > me

    What’s yours? Wizened old coot doctor who suggests you pop xanax to cope with the wailing of women giving birth > you > nurses > the janitor? Sounds satisfying, like it really hits the neurophysiological spot.

    Antidepressants are deficient nootropics, entheogens make you a little strange and unlikeable but that’s the price you pay for turning your back on the Cathedral. Man up, midget.

    It’s not just going to be a pocket of hedonists here a pocket of hedonists there, it’s going to be most people flocking to hedonist patches–and then where does the surplus labor come from to support aristocracies? Under patchwork eventually the disgusting masses (of whom I count you among) will encroach on and then overwhelm the nobler. People need to be kept on a leash. “It is painfully evident that post-Christian humanity is a pack of broken dogs.” We need a new religion and a new priest-caste, but I digress.

    CRISPR is a Last Man fantasy, similar in spirit to the longing for full communism. The rabble is never going to be done away with, it’s best to accept them as they are, that is, “ungrateful, fickle, liars, and deceivers, [that] shun danger and are greedy for profit” (assuming Machiavelli has any relevance in your cog-doctor hierarchy).

    Look, I know you’re no brain surgeon but this is interesting:

    “There is no reason why sensibility as a form of experience will be logically necessary” – Elaborate.

    By your own logic, why do you assume even logic will be necessary? It seems being-there is more fundamental than logicking, and if not more, at least just as.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    Don’t think you’re getting the point. Man is a profoundly social animal. If you’re knocked out of a hierarchy, your serotonin drops, and you yourself have admitted to taking anti-depressants (because you were knocked out of a hierarchy). SSRI’s aren’t nootropics at all. Why did you think they were? As of yet there are no nootropics that permanently increase general intelligence, which is what I was proffering as a further though unlikely possibility for editing up humans that you left out.

    I guess you haven’t visited any genome research centers lately, or at all. If you can even find room to stand in a CRISPR lecture you wouldn’t be so flippant about what is already taking place. In my field of pregnancy management we will be working directly with this sort of thing. Maybe you just can’t face a probable new horizon because the old, shitty one wouldn’t even select you and left you in the dust.

    I assume you haven’t been reading Bostrom:

    https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom-ebook/dp/B00LOOCGB2?ie=UTF8&tag=ieet-20

    As Land pointed out, we are exiting the world of words and actions and entering the world of code. I don’t know if there could be other forms of intellect besides the discursive. Logic is a pretty firm Ground.

    According to the Transcendental Aesthetic — have you not studied Kant? So much for scholarship — our manner of intuition is the receptive kind, namely sensibility. The forms of sensibility are space and time. Logically there may be other types of intuition possible or available, but we don’t know of them.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    “It’s not just going to be a pocket of hedonists here a pocket of hedonists there, it’s going to be most people flocking to hedonist patches–and then where does the surplus labor come from to support aristocracies?”

    Automation. The only people developing anything will be specialists in the upmarket patch where audiobook enthusiasts are superfluous.

    “Under patchwork eventually the disgusting masses (of whom I count you among) will encroach on and then overwhelm the nobler. People need to be kept on a leash. “It is painfully evident that post-Christian humanity is a pack of broken dogs.” We need a new religion and a new priest-caste, but I digress.”

    The absolute baseline for any successful microstate is security. If you can’t deter every possible aggression, you’re not serious and game theory is lost on you. This is a problem for UBI communist paradises, not serious govcorp.

    Wagner Reply:

    Can you spend more time addressing my points and less defending your insecure ego?

    “we are exiting the world of words and actions”

    Ya can’t get much more pretentious than that. I thought ol michael was misguided but if you actually believe that then yup, LARPer detected.

    “Logically there may be other types of intuition possible or available, but we don’t know of them.”

    I don’t understand what you mean by “logically”? How is logic firmer than language or Dasein? Seems they’re all necessary for each other.

    Wagner Reply:

    “audiobook enthusiasts are superfluous”

    Yeah, the monks who studied sacred scripture all day for years were dillholes. Too bad there weren’t pills in the middle ages, that would have fixed them.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    @WarNeg

    somewhat of a fairy tale (well, for Heidegger AI isn’t even possible whatsoever)–it’s an ideal that makes us forget about the reality that we have in our hands right now, which is, a bunch of equalist-vengeance kikes, masochistic-christian whites, and Little Artxells are attempting to vaporize the greatest race that has ever lived

    Hah, this may be some of your best yet.

    This. Is true. But I think you need to synchronise yourself with Harlem Venison’s (@draknats) methods instead of kkkalling for an all out genocide like a jackboot plebe thug.

    I won’t allow genocide. I enjoy Negro music too much.

    C’mon Wagnie, open up your (he)art!

    Fly on the wingz, of luv

    https://youtu.be/HAfFfqiYLp0

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    Wagner Reply:

    I love the Overman. The copycat Chinese are too conservative-blooded for such an endeavor. I like blacks, we need a working-class in the meantime while we figure out how to replace them with robots. I’m not a genocidist, but sterilization sounds good to prevent over-population. I’m not concerned with foraging through the jungles to eliminate every last gorilla, and I feel the same about blacks. Their music sucks though, you should read up on Plato’s critique of music (Roger Scruton is a good resource)–music isn’t neutral, it affects the soul. Some music makes it baser, some makes it nobler; rap certainly makes it baser.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3GD3B1Bi1o

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    @Wagner

    Monks had position within a hierarchy. You’re not a monk and you’re not studying anything. I’m not sure where your outsized sense of spiritual election comes from, actually. You’re just completely unthreatening.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I imagine it’s easier to find a non-POZ’d grad school in which to study baby-delivery, or whatever it is you do, than to find one in which to study the above-mentioned thinkers. If you know of one let me know. Honestly I’m not even that interested, I think you underestimate how fulfilling the autodidactic life is, and are maybe even a bit jelly I’m not a scrubs-grunt like you.

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    Cryptogenic Reply:

    But I have never needed a psych script. So, not sure what you’re tempting me with.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Hey, something had to take the edge off from all the hours I was forced to sit through prog-philosophy classes. And no, I’m not too familiar with Kant–yes he’s on my list, mostly because I vaguely sense there would have been no Nietzsche without Kant. My goal is to write a non-POZ’d book on N someday, I think there are worse people out there than me to spend your time trolling, sport.

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    @Wagner

    Re: Kant

    Intuition, wherein objects (appearances) are given, is more abstract than sensibility, our receptive/affective type of intuition. There is no reason why other types or intuition may not be or are not possible. That is, there is no logical reason to say sensibility is the only type of possible intuition.

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    @Cryptogenic

    It’s your whining and self-pity + lashing out at your betters with psychotic hubris that is so contemptuous. “I was forced to sit in class!” No you weren’t.

    But that’s enough. I’m re-concealing your comments. Wonder how long you’ll last before you’re vaporized?

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    Wagner Reply:

    http://imgur.com/a/eJ1Sq

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