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Quality abyss-gazing:

Is this what Bannon sees? A global scale generational crisis that is going to come to a head in the form of a massive struggle among civilizations? One so large and so bloody that it will leave an enduring mark on the human genome for all time? […] It might be. And here is the hard part — he could well be right.

XS, for one, welcomes our new darkness arms race.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    A global scale generational crisis that is going to come to a head in the form of a massive struggle among civilizations?

    Yes, because this is always what happens when an empire falls. In this case the empire that fell was the New Communism, also known as global Liberal Democracy.

    The sooner we rid ourselves of that, the better results will be.

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  • K.L.Anderson Says:

    “A global scale generational crisis?

    I think we best look close to home.

    If I can quote myself regarding America: “Some people will be seduced by the “totalitarian temptation” of left or right fascism, the short-term brutal way, the hammer rather than the scalpel, taking away our freedom in the process. But longer term conservative reform will need to do more than call for a return to the traditions of the Republican party. Even the wiser paleoconservatism of Russel Kirk and Pat Buchanan is not enough to save America and the West, the demographics have changed too much.

    I believe we will need to upgrade the fulfillment of the constitutional separation of powers and states to include an ethnopluralism of ethnostates, protected in their virtual independence by federalism and subsidiarity. Only this, which harmonizes with the real ethnocentric human nature, has a chance of calming the battling between different ethnic groups in America, which is tearing us apart. (see the great scientist E.O.Wilson on group-selection in human nature).

    We want no Lenin or Hitler, and no amoral libertarianism which in reality leads to social and moral chaos. An ethnopluralism of ethnostates developed within America, in accord with the constitution (with perhaps a few amendments) is the sane, humane and courageous way to save America and the West.”

    Would that not be less bloody than what Mr. Bannon sees?

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    How is this going to happen peacefully, while actors still think they can win it all?

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    K.L.Anderson Reply:

    “How is this going to happen peacefully, while actors still think they can win it all?”

    You protect yourself internally and externally in no uncertain terms backed by power.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    ceding the geographical integrity of the north american continent is ceding the entire game

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    K.L.Anderson Reply:

    A federalism protecting ethnostates doesn’t have to cede the geographical integrity of the north american continent—and it doesn’t mean isolation or not trading with the world.

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    admin Reply:

    I agree with the second part.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Ok One of my problems with Exit fantasies vs ethno nationalism is they come down to, apartheid, jim crow, slavery, colonialism, etc will work this time. Partitioning off the less able while granting them quasi citizenship never works even when they are co ethnics, they become an open invitation to some ambitious cogelite to try some leftism.They are become a cause celeb among the cat lady crowd.its clear whites have a low tolerance for suffering, suffering should be kept far away from white nations.

    More practically.The left will never cede an inch without a war and once a war may as well take the opportunity to set things right.
    I dont know how you think the geography and population would be divided in this fantasy, you seem to think we can leave the southern border protected by niggers and spics, So then how do we protect the new southern border from the niggers and spics and how will the niggers and spics muster an army to prevent an invasion from the south? And if youre planning on letting the fags and feminists have the coasts who’s going to defend the coasts? And I can promise you if you think welfare taxes and regulation taxes are high now wait till the left states start imposing their resource and infrastructure tariffs.

    Go to war with the left, which will encourage most browns to self deport, when you have conquered the pajama boys, fags, fems,and jews. establish policies that encourage the rest of the minorities to leave. Move mars into near earth orbit and terraform

    Posted on March 23rd, 2017 at 7:17 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    “It is true that climate change, war, famine and economic disruption are coming. It is true that these will almost certainly lead to massive flows of refugees. It is also true, whether we like it or not, that the West cannot possibly absorb even a small fraction of these refugees and survive. A stable and peaceful society is a fragile thing.
    Knowing this and thinking through the lens of Generational theory, it is reasonable to conclude that a great war is all but inevitable. Anyone who fails to look this possible future square in the eyes is delusional. And here is the kicker. If you are the United States and the West and you think that a fight for survival is brewing, then something else becomes clear: there is no better time for that fight than right now.”

    Uh yeah what i been saying Glad to hear XS is finally on board. Suggest you get out from behind enemy lines. Or have you defected, or determined the slants and ghosts are on the same side?

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    Wagner Reply:

    Admin posted this earlier:

    https://twitter.com/UF_blog/status/844810030239006722

    Obviously a bead of paranoiac sweat has formed on his forehead.

    “An Indian prison is not a pretty place. There’s no furniture: you sleep on the bare concrete floor, lying side by side with your fellows, like slaves in a galley ship, mosquitoes everywhere. A hole in the ground is the lavatory. There’s a communal tap. Twice a day you stand in line, as one prisoner with his bare hand chucks a wodge of rice from a dirty metal basin on to your plate, while his partner slops a cupful of thin gruel on to your rice.”

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    Wagner Reply:

    Once again, I don’t know why an idiot like me is responsible for synthesizing NRx with frogtwitter and the “outer right” with shitlibbism, but here is a nice new meme:

    #coldnesscucks

    The monkeys will read that and continue chewing their bananas but I’ll say it anyway.

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    Wagner Reply:

    If I get thrown in prison, Land, it will partly be because of your writings. If they interrogate me and slap me around, zap me with jump-starters attached to my nipples, etc. I will eventually admit that you were a pivotal part of the shitlord problem (SP). Are you denying it to yourself or to USG? The order of rank is Nietzsche, Socratism, YOU, and you helped unlock the truth of the first two. You are screwed LAND and you might have helped screw a bunch of us as well! Good job, you did what genuine philosophers of all times and all places did and do, there’s a special Valhalla for people like you. Still, there are unknown agonies waiting for us in the gulag. If we win this can be avoided. But you still seem to be hung up on preserving your status as one with ~predictive capacities~ “NO I was right about China, even though I didn’t foresee Brexit or the alt-right or Trump NO I was right!!!”

    Posted on March 23rd, 2017 at 7:18 pm Reply | Quote
  • MRS JELLYBY, THOUGHTFLUNCER BRAIN HACKER FROM SILICON VALLEY Says:

    “The Browns are coming, but we can help them and lift them up. Never mind the violence, crime, and terrorism that will follow. That is social justice and democracy. Biotech labs are capable of being built in the favelas of Brazil. I love my local neurally enhanced African imam warlord.”

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    collen ryan Reply:

    If we were even within decades of what you imply heres what it ends up looking like; everyones white.Super white actually, like aryan supermen.Its clear visually everyone already want to look like us, certainly theres enough diversity within whites that no white is going to use non white genes for edits just to be taller stronger faster smarter. and no ones going to want less agressive yellow genes.
    And no non whites are going to go for less than the real thing, Oh they might try for a bit of flavor at first but the process would reveal truths that could not be ignored and the market will settle on whiteness,even if NAMs have to ease into the ligtening overa generation or two.But long before they could afford to buy themselves a white edited baby whites would have already been doing it for decades.Then Racism gives way to speciesism
    And of course it begs the question why not offer them white embryos today.( besides because they are brutal parents) we really dont need to figure out the editing to make high quality white babies. Frankly I think one ought to post a bond to have a non white child better yet NAMS be sterilized and have to buy a licence to have a child and only certain models could be had.Of course we could start out with the sterilization voluntary in return for a bounty and mandatory in return for welfare.

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    Jason Reply:

    How many white men, let alone non white men, want themselves to look very Aryan with blond hair and everything? They may like those very fair traits in women, but tend to regard those traits in themselves as too feminine compared to a Cary Grant or Latin lover type. Also with gene editing, there’d be an arms race and increasing bifurcation between male and female traits and sexual dimorphism. To promote more uniform Aryan traits between the sexes, there’d have to be limits on gene editing to inhibit frequency dependent selection operating during a gene editing arms race.

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    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    Latin lover type

    Give us a break.

    Blondes are more masculine. https://youtu.be/hyR7BCuHTVY

    Germanics are the genuinely masculine opposed to Latino macho race par excellence.

    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    Get outta here nigger.

    Wagner Reply:

    Blonde hair/blue eyes is transcendentally, objectively superior to its muddy alternatives. This chap is nursing a wound, the wound of ressentiment! It reminds me of how I was walking the other day with my normie friend by a Porsche and he said he wanted to dropkick through the windshield. All the little bugs of this earth want to destroy beauty… the dark part is they want to destroy it *because* it is beautiful.

    Wagner Reply:

    Erikson when you have time can you confirm/deny the various philological observations in On the Genealogy of Morals, First Essay, section 5? Very relevant for the topic at hand. N is tentative, saying “provided that I am correct” and “which seems to me to” therein, which is totally out of character for him.
    http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/Class%20Readings/Nietzsche/genealogy1.htm

    Anyway, I poasted some Garden of Eden apples by/on Alfarabi but I included links so waiting for admin to green light it.

    Jason Reply:

    I wasn’t making any value judgments or saying that fair coloration in men is objectively inferior or less masculine. Furthermore, I cited Cary Grant and Latin Europe as intra-racial examples so that it wouldn’t be construed as some sort of racial thing. Cary Grant was of a northern European background. I was simply saying that fair coloration is generally not a look men aspire to, unlike women, who do tend to lighten their hair and the like. Peter Frost has written about this:

    https://www.amazon.com/Fair-Women-Dark-Men-Forgotten/dp/1877275727

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    There are two types of thinkers: those who can easily imagine the world looking (more) like a Napalm Death album cover and those who cannot. We may add biospheres to seasteads.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Cryp
    what makes you think the cathedral is going to allow your seastead autonomy any more than they allow my homestead autonomy? I at least have the state of Idaho and the county of Boundary between me and the Cath.The Cathedral seems willing to start WW3 with China over its seasteads. Seems like asking people to invest 6 billion (COST OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER) might be a hard sell, especially since the people with the money to do that already have a plan.And say they leave you be have you really exited the cathedral, or just added a client state to the cathedral?

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  • SVErshov Says:

    doesn’t it sound a bit too poetic, and therefore suspicious. well, I can buy it as narrative building exercise, if you know the maths behind your poetry, you cannot get wrong. what is missing here is those maths.

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  • K.L.Anderson Says:

    collen ryan

    Many of he problems you see, unprotected southern borders, the liberals on the coasts, unbearable taxes, and of course the civil war between the races, etc. have been happening due to the present Big Government monster we now have, and an ethnopluralism of ethnostates in accord with the constitutional separation of powers and states, protected by federalism, is designed to fix those problems, which it did not cause.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    You misread me I am all for an ethnostate- from sea to shining sea and from the great gold wall to the arctic sea. And for that matter then east through greenland ,Iceland, and europe and west through austraila, new zealand, and russia.

    But the lynchpin of all that is the might of the continental united states. That might can not be maintained with niggers and spics being given our southern territory or with fagfemjews being given our coasts.

    If Im not mistaken you actually said with a straight face that ethno ‘states rights’ would prevent todays problem. dude we have ethno states right now there are nigger states and spic states and femfag states in fact they are so powerful we cant win elections and when we do we are afraid to offend the niggers spics fags bitches and cucks.you think renaming alabama new liberia is going to change the dynamic?

    The problem is non whites are in our nations and get to vote, and that probably would not have happened if women and non taxpaying men had not been allowed to vote.And jews had not been allowed to acquire power and wealth.

    You can not simply partition off the non whites,That has failed over and over. You must eject them from the continent, then deny women and non net taxpaying men the vote. And deny politicians the ability to spend more money than they take in in taxes, which will return an instant feedback loop to leftist schemes.Leftism will die in minutes.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Exit and succession are faggot fantasies for pajama boys who don’t want to fight. There is no way out of this but war, it’s not different this time its the same old human saga. We are being invaded and betrayed we can submit and die horribly are we can go to war. The Cathedral is the wizard of fucking oz, there is nothing to the first good punch in the face they crumble.This is ours take it back.

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    K.L.Anderson Reply:

    Calling people spics and niggers and negatively harping about the Jews, or calling people who disagree with you faggots and pajama boys, hurts the positive cause of ethnopluralism and ethnostates, which respects racial differences by offering each their own ethnostate. Calling for crude war also hurts the cause—and it gets internet sites banned. Your plan to save America and the West is too radical and therefore stands less of a chance, because human nature is conservative regarding change.

    Wagner Reply:

    Anderson, you’re right that militarism has a chance of getting sites banned (or people imprisoned) so Mike should keep that in mind, but Mike doesn’t respect racial differences, he wants whites to take over the planet and galaxy. What is wrong with imperialism?

    Also, I’ve read a few pages of your On Nietzsche tag on your blog and it seems we’re on a similar wave-length. However you are a pie-eyed optimist: dead indeed is God, at least the Christ-avatar thereof. Drop it, it’s only holding us back. As a pia fraus it is impotent, absolutely nothing is going to come from upholding it besides increased aversion towards it. Nietzsche’s Madman was premature the way euthanasia is premature: if an old man is a vegetable on a hospital bed sapping resources put the pillow over his face–I will the categorical imperative for this to be done to ME if I were in such a state.

    I feel like I’m profaning the mysteries by saying this but the will to power isn’t directionless/ateloic, you derive that from the notebooks compiled by his sister, which is to say, you are treating the esoteric Nietzsche in an exoteric manner. There’s plenty of “telos” in Nietzsche – telos toward aristocracy, telos toward the overman, telos toward the ever and ever more refined mockery of nihilists! On second thought I’m not going to profane the mysteries, but perhaps my not-doing-so will translate in your mind to the same as doing so, from the hints I’ve emitted.

    TLDR; the weak shall perish: http://imgur.com/a/nDDSD
    And the weak are people who need myth.

    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    I know this is Xenosystems but I don’t think Nietzsche’s religion is going to replace the bourgeois religion. People have been spouting this sort of stuff since the 19th century and niggas like Junger have taken it all the way, fighting in WW1 and WW2, and losing.

    The masturbatory dung German army lost twice. The Japanese traditionalist Empire lost. Partly Roman-inspired Fascist Italy lost.

    People aren’t going to go back to before previous 1.800 years to pure pagan times.

    Christianity is inbedded in their neural structure, like a true Ghost of Hegel’s hauntology.

    You’re gonna need to synthesise the best of our current state with the best of the ancient psychogenic-operative art. The freemasons do this. George Bush is a freemason. He had a sacred destiny history, a map of the globe and a war theater.

    He ran over Iraq in weeks. Decimated the Republican Guard. It was a fireshow.

    That nigga doesn’t even to bother to laugh at twenty-something Nietzsche larpers online.

    He comes from an oil family. He is truly might-is-right Nietzcheo-Machiavellian, yet it suffices for him to say “God bless America” to the public.

    You can’t be selling Odin to peoples now it’ll only be a subculture.

    You have to mask him in bourgeois reality.

    But unveil him to yourself.

    As the world.

    https://youtu.be/sO4h00K1XSk

    Wagner Reply:

    Nietzschean LARPer??? Dubya is working on writing a “Great Man” portrait of me as we speak (I tripped on mushrooms with him last month) and Moldbug himself writes raunchy erotic poems in his secret diary about me, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    There won’t be a trace of N in the Religion of the Future, N himself wanted it that way: “I’d rather be a satyr than a saint”. Just like how Christianity was Platonism for the masses… had most of the pious peasants ever even heard of Plato? No, and yet they were Platonists, *exoteric* Platonists. For particularly excessive clarity on these matters, See: Alfarabi.

    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    You’ll have to quote Alfarabi for me. I’m too Cryptogen’d at the moment to dive into yet another text. I wish I was a Germanic farmer screwing blonde chicks under patriarchy, not having read a thing ever in life.

    Wagner Reply:

    I regret referring to George as “Dubya” accidentally during the peak; he went into a bad trip but I brought him frozen chunks of mango and when he started chewing one he got this humongous stupid grin on his face and proceeded to chatter frenetically about the time he had intercourse with an extraterrestrial.

    “Plato and Aristotle have given us an account of philosophy, but not without giving us also an account of the ways to it and the ways to reestablish it when it becomes confused and extinct.” Alfarabi, Philosophy of Plato and Aristotle

    “Alfarabi wrote a work on the name and rise or the cause of the appearance (or reappearance) of philosophy of which only fragments are extant. The “name” recalls the various meanings of “wisdom” in Aristoteles/Aristocles’ On Philosophy. The “cause of its rise or appearance” (zuhūr) refers both to its earlier appearance or appearances, its decline and disappearance, and its reappearance after a period of “concealment” (sitr). The few surviving fragments deal with the survival of Aristotle’s writings and the tradition of teaching them in Greece, then Alexandria, and then Rome; with the coming of Christianity, the abandonment or suppression of philosophic learning in Rome, and the new policy (initiated by the ruler and the council of bishops) to abandon or suppress the most important part of the Aristotelian philosophic tradition and limit public instruction to the part thought to be useful for the defense of their religion, that is, for theology (the suppressed art continued to exist, but in concealment–mastūr, i.e., taught only in private); next, with the coming of Islam, the movement of the school and the books from Alexandria to Antioch, and then to Marv and Harrān.

    At one point (in Antioch), the transmission depended on the survival of a single man who had two students, each of whom had two students; but one individual from each of these two pairs devoted himself to religious affairs, so that again there were only two left who taught philosophy. Then, Muslim students and teachers, like Alfarabi himself, were able to read Aristotle’s logical works and go as far as they could. The concealment is thus connected with religion (Christianity). What had happened earlier as a result of natural cataclysms and been done unconsciously through myth now happened through religion by design and consciously. Philosophy survived but had to go underground because of a human or divine cataclysm.” Muhsin S. Mahdi, Alfarabi and the Foundation of Islamic Political Philosophy (GREAT book, highly recommended)

    “In his Book of Letters… Alfarabi introduces the notion of the human religion that should come after philosophy in time and teach the multitude the theoretical and practical matters that had been discovered in philosophy by means of persuasion and/or image-making. The notion that one can and should set up a human religion that accords with philosophy or science is not strange to Aristotle’s Metaphysics and is urged in Plato’s Republic and Laws.” Ibid.

    “The best human religion… is a religion founded at the highest point in the development of the practical and intellectual arts by a human being who has attained the highest theoretical and practical knowledge and who is willing or can be persuaded to embody what he knows in concrete civic beliefs and practices. According to Alfarabi, this point was reached in the past at the time of Plato and Aristotle, when the perfection of knowledge could have been followed by the institution of the best human religion. It was not their fault that no one was willing to listen to them.” Ibid

    http://imgur.com/a/aYwa2
    from Mahdi’s chapter in Strauss’s History of Political Philosophy

    A youtube video by the preeminent living scholar on Alfarabi: https://youtu.be/LgrZrDrqLwY

    Anudda one by anudda dude:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzQgfyoxs1k

    “In Farabi theology is not the ground for politics; it is the result of (philosophical) politics.” Joseph Martin

    “By heralding the return of Dionysos and Ariadne Nietzsche did what Alfarabi said a philosopher had to do: point to the religion that would come “after philosophy in time and teach the multitude the theoretical and practical matters that had been discovered in philosophy by means of persuasion and/or image making.” Laurence Lampert, The Enduring Importance of Leo Strauss

    “By indicating the timeliness of the doctrine of timeless ideas, Strauss makes us doubt that he imagined that Plato imagined that his doctrine itself could be timeless. And it wasn’t: the great Platonic political philosopher Alfarabi dropped it entirely.” Ibid (IIRC)

    “The ruler-prophet or the ruler-philosopher is the human being who offers the solution to the question of the realization of the best regime, and the functions of the ruler-prophet and of the ruler-philosopher appear in this respect to be identical… as rulers who are the link between the divine beings above and the citizens who do not have direct access to knowledge of these beings. He is the teacher and guide who makes known to the citizens what happiness is, who arouses in them the determination to do the things necessary for attaining it, and who does not need to be ruled by a human in anything at all.” Alfarabi, Political Regime

    “[Plato delineated] Socrates’ method for realizing his aim of making his own people understand through scientific investigation the ignorance they were in. He explained Thrasymachus’ method and made it known that Thrasymachus was more able than Socrates to form the character of the youth and instruct the multitude; Socrates possessed only the ability to conduct a scientific investigation of justice and the virtues, and a power of love, but did not possess the ability to form the character of the youth and the multitude; and the philosopher, the prince, and the legislator ought to be able to use both methods: the Socratic method with the elect, and Thrasymachus’ method with the youth and the multitude.” Alfarabi, The Philosophy of Plato and Aristotle

    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    https://youtu.be/t8EwzisBEHc

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  • collen ryan Says:

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    well as a reactionary I think things should be called by their true names spics niggers and fem fags more accurately represent the true nature of the enemy and the fact they are enemies. we are offering no one their own ethnostate, that was my point america is not up for grabs anyone willing to give portions of it away is a an enemy of mine, an enemy of the white race an enemy of reason and should indeed be called a pajama boy faggot. Anyone who naively thinks the cathedral will allow you to take half the north american continent without a war is pretty fucking stupid. Yes they will try to ban internet sites so where will you larp about in you PJs then. I suggest before they deprive you of your ability to communicate you defeat them, but perhaps you think once they shut down the web they will be more receptive.
    Your plan of appeasement with commie scum is laughable, these are the same people that put the jews into the ovens, plowed the ukrainians into the fields, turned asia into a charnel house, murdered and raped the afrikaner farmers in their beds. They are not making a deal with you Jarod Taylor any more than they are going to allow Land to run off with all the neckbeards to Elysium. Human nature? There is nothing more human than going to war to change a social construct. Humans are killer apes, it doesn’t take much to stir them into a killing frenzy that’s the easy part.civilization is hard. Building a social consensus of why we are going to kill, a plan on how to direct the killing is the hard part. Even killing the cathedral is not going to be hard once we have decided to do it. The biggest obstacle to your desire is your cowardice that is why I implied your were what you now conform yourself to be. Dont feel bad the altright neoreaction and the past several generation are full of them, one has to look long and hard to find one thats even been in a fistfight

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    collen ryan Reply:

    ” harping about the jews” thats kind of funny harp jews kekek
    I’ll stop harpn bout da joos when the joos stop deconstructing western civilization cause its good for the joos.

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  • Bob Says:

    @ Collen Ryan

    It sounds like you’re talking about the white imperium idea that Richard Spencer and others, along with writers in the past, advocate, whereby North America, Europe, Russia, the Antipodes, etc., are united in some sort of racial superstate or confederation. That seems unlikely unless there’s another state or states that are powerful enough to necessitate a counter-balancing coalition.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Not really I am an american I want americans to wake up to the fact that this nation becomes Brazil with whites needing helicopters to avoid being murdered if they do not right now fight a war with the cathedral and after winning it expel the non whites or at least 95% of them. I waste my time with this in reactionary circles because at least they have gotten as far as understanding HBD and Exit but exit is not actually possible there is no where to go war is the only option.
    I do however hope other white nations who are facing similar threats will also do the same. I think the moment is right and if we do it together it will better succeed. I do not advocate pan whitesm beyond the regular cooperation we have always had and a hope that in the face of the rising tide of color we can put our differences aside. In fact I like patchwork when possible. for instance maybe some further fragmentation in european groups like the basques or scotts. In the united states I think we can not risk losing the entire continent but certainly ought to revert to the intended union of states being mostly autonomous.

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    Bob Reply:

    So more like revolutionary white nationalism. Neither that nor widespread secession in the US seem very plausible.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    AS I said secession implies giving up territory I don’t think either side would do that without a war, people talk about it because people want a way to deny there will be war.

    No I dont think revolution we already own the nation holding the deed still and by right of might, I dont think the cathedral can put up a physical defence or much of one. I suppose restoration would be the best way to describe it.

    You will laugh but i don’t really see myself as a white nationalist or even an alt right, I simply think when you look at HBD and the situation there’s only one outcome where we live. Its the left that wants this war, that have orchestrated the situation where we can survive no other way. I think the only difference between me and the rest of you and the left for that matter is I can see and accept this and you cant youre still cucking out on bronies. Now if the nazis get this too then fine but america is not instituting nazism we are restoring the united patches of north america. And you simply can not have that work and have minorities or women voting or fags and other deviants celebrating deviancy. I will say I dont think christianity is a viable social glue anymore and that race is always a better focal point anyway and since its the main problem might as well be explicit when it works to be explicit. I dont think it works yet most are still triggered I think slowly turn up the heat from a nationalist and a left right perspective. from their many NAMs can self deport and leftists can be purged, Bannon may have this idea too. Then I assume are some point the left inevitably goes all out war thats when we crush them utterly destroy them drag them out into the street and murder them until they are too afraid too murmur a single word more. We keep them that way while we strongly encourage the remaining minorities to leave us in peace. The final step is to take the vote away from women and men who have not been net tax payers that year and to make it illegal for congress to spend more than they take in that year.

    collen ryan Reply:

    @Bob

    I dont really know what spencer or his ilk are into my guess is the difference to me is the racial aspect is incidental, in other words I dont love my race because i read some viking riding wolves blog I like my race because I was brought up properly of course I love my race of course Im most comfortable in my own culture of course tha culture works best for us. I like a lot of other cultures too but the left has made it impossible maybe it was always impossible I think maybe a couple percent outsiders living as non citizens should be the ideal. Im trying to say I dont have a race fetish, its simply that multiculturalism cant work and i want my civilization back. But such huge parts of that civilization are recently enamoured of multiculti that among people such as ourselves its important to be clear that the end game will in fact be a european nations. Around here youre supposed to have the more refined yearning for exit or lately partition, I have to get ugly about it because its fucking existential in the near future and THERE IS NO FUCKING EXIT exit is a fucking larp secession is a fucking larp do you have any idea how fast they are pouring over the borders

    Wagner Reply:

    Mikey! Maybe that one commenter a few months back was right that you should make your own blog. Pull a Thot Alexander except in the direction of the Right. Subject your assertions to scientific analysis–i.e. statistics–and you’ll be golden. You constantly invoke HBD as reality but never back up why it in fact IS reality. Do that and Xenosystems will be like a sand castle under a wave. Plus, that illiterate chicken farmer comment on Jim’s blog had an ounce of truth to it: quit being grammatically retarded if you want to be taken seriously. I know that’s part of your strategy to be taken as an idiot but you need to actually get serious if you want to encourage a Real Race War.

    Bob Reply:

    I don’t mean “revolutionary” in an ideological sense, but simply in the technical sense. Obviously what you’re describing would be revolutionary. Although to be sure, at this point abolishing female and universal male suffrage and introducing a white nationalist program would be ideologically revolutionary as well.

    Revolutionary white nationalism or widespread secessionism don’t seem to be very likely. I don’t think internal conflict or war is implausible, but I don’t see white nationalists or secessionists as one of the primary parties in such a conflict or war.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Maybe because I describe a long process in a paragraph or two you misunderstand. Imagine a leftist in 1850 describing how they would take over the world it would seem pretty far fetched. What I am saying is there is no one or even two step solution, the left has been very clever and has had a long time to change minds over generations, they have taken advantage of historical crisis along the way to do this.And its not made me popular here on the outer right but I think in a sense the left had history on its side,for one thing there was no way to go but left from the late middle ages, and because science and demography were pushing it,i dont think it was smart to keep 90% of the population as serfs for too many reasons to get into here. But now history is on our side, there is no where to go go right, science is now on our side, it doesn’t make sense to make 90% of the worlds population western citizens.
    But this can not be done all at once, I agree you can not sell an explicitly white nationalism at this point anymore than you could sell repelling women’s suffrage now as Jim like to suggest. This doesn’t mean we should not think it all the way through before we begin.
    You are correct all these ideas on the far right are very far fetched, even civil war is still pretty far fetched at this point. But I dont think its far fetched to imagine the next step in leftism brazilification of the west. I estimate that could be a lived reality within 10 year of trump failing.We just came through a 8 year period of minority rule and judging by the brazenness of the soft coup against trump the left had been busy. someone ought to right a shelf of books on the lefts march through our institutions even in the last 20 years. Ideas like MM and land are just silly intellectual masturbation, theres no where to exit, they wouldn’t allow it if there were the people you would want with you wouldn’t go with you its just a pose that seems edgy but you cant really redesign the entire universe from here. But a civil war from here is while a long shot actual pretty possible in some ways its inevitable. Modifying the US system or restoring it back to an earlier iteration is possible.And understanding in hindsight where the bugs were it has a much better chance.Even if your real goal is a moldbug patch the first step is my plan.the right ratchet.
    The time is right all over the west for overthrowing globalism and multiculturalism, while certainly this has racial implications it can and should be framed as nationalism common sense etc.But at the same time just as the left has always worked on parallel planes, as many whites should be re awakened to what their grandfathers took for granted. Because eventually in order to not allow this historical moment become a mere setback for the left we will have to continue the ratchet more explicitly probably in the third phase.
    Leftism rests on the fact that they can hide facts. They can pretend they have infinite money to spend and that they are simply immune to the laws of economics.So people then feel its immoral to deny someone comfort when its costs next to nothing.They lie about HBD and convince little children that there is no biological difference that all the difference you see is a result of evil white men oppressing little brown babies throughout history. That whites have always been an evil race that stole all its greatness from others. This is simply not true. But people make decisions believing this.Its become almost impossible for the left to maintain their lies and at a very inconvenient time. they know this and are pushing for total police state now, which is another reason Ideas like lands are wasting precious time.So certainly on one level NRX and altright etc need to continue educating.
    If Bannon/Trump is not who we are hoping or id they are foiled by the deep state then I dont really see any other way but pushing for civil war sooner rather than later.I am hoping instead we can provoke the left by a legitimate purge through the trump and other nationalist administrations throughout the west to become openly violent probably using their minorities a lot. i think if they draw enough first blood the next phase of opportunity presents itself and I think that is the tipping point we either then respond or we are done.That should be kept on our side as a left right fight let the left do the racializing the right will intuit who on whos side. But we should direct our wrath and the prominent white and jewish leftists.Only after prominent leftists have been literally strung up by mobs do you restore order by finishing the job.arresting the agitators etc.I would bet most browns have self deported and the blacks have made themselves very unwelcome particularly among urban liberals.Half of blacks are illegal or semi illegal alliens very few legal aliens of any color actually followed the letter of the law anyone not taking the $2000 and plane ticket can have their cases re examined. In short it neednt be a nazi WN type thing, just a hey guys this isnt working out anymore thing good luck. Now after a war particularly one where leftists have been dragged into the streets and murdered men are going to again assert the male prerogative to rule. And it should not be too hard to ease women back into a more traditional role by restoring sane incentives and I dont think taking the vote from them will be that difficult, but all this doesn’t happen in months it happens over a decade one step at a time. Yes it would be nice to have the luxury of a 100 years but its clear the left is in league with the state and business to a great extent and they can not be given an opportunity to regain a footing.Look its either this or a boot stomping on a human face forever.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    So more like revolutionary white nationalism. Neither that nor widespread secession in the US seem very plausible.

    Nor, for that matter, communicating that with colleen. But there are also fanatics like that, and their worldview of possibilities is largely informed by their own beliefs.

    Cryptogenic Reply:

    One mark of the fanatic is the fixed idea, expressed in Kekese by the prefix “muh.” Both collen’s (muh white dinduism) and Wagner’s (muh Nietzsche to the point of distortion) posts repeat and accuse, but never develop. The monotonous stream of unreadable paragraphs, copypasta (aka 115 IQ philology) and self-replies has to be broken up with insults to appear at all.

    “Warning to the despised. – If you have unmistakably sunk in the estimation of men you should hold on like grim death to decorum in society with others: otherwise you will betray to them that you have sunk in your own estimation too. When a man is cynical in society it is a sign that he treats himself like a dog when he is alone.”

    Hence the generalized anxiety and prescriptions and clinging to fixed points.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Collen, Erikson, and I: “You guys are clinging to fixed points.”

    Chieh-pet, crypt, etc.: REEEE MUH MEMES

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    collen ryan Reply:

    well of course Im going to hang on if something is true. Ok My IQ may only be 130 which may be practically retarded around this blog but reducing some simple truths to “muh white diduism”- (what did someone say about decorum and insults?) is usually the only non response I get around here. Because there’s a fetish around here thats blinding, I get the appeal I am here myself, there is something to MM and co.But there are problems.

    so here is my white diduism

    There’s simply no where or way to exit, there is no time left to wait hoping somehow DARPA will overlook some tech and you will leap ahead of the cathedral. The zulus are pouring in they and their commie leaders and corporatist running dogs actually actually Rita mean to kill you and worse.So if this were some type of game theory you eggheads like to prance about you would have a time decay problem an event horizon problem.

    So either like Land, admit this is all a larp, a thought experiment that amuses you and you do not think there is actually anything wrong with western civilization that cant wait, or that youre just as suicidal as the next pajama boy. Or get serious about solving the game.

    Its pretty well established Muh white Dindus make pretty decent civilizations and that multiculturalism makes really bad ones and HBD tells us why. To harp on the miniscule point that some whites are dumbasses is reductio ad absurdum, we cant design a civilization for every math club, math clubs are not sustainable as civilizations they have no girls for instance.But places like france austria australia have made pretty passable nations and there unbearable whiteness wasn’t a coincidence was it? Then stop arguing the fucking point.

    Can we do better than white nations 50 -150 years ago, sure? Well maybe, certainly we should try, very cautiously. But larping about sea steads is not how you get to a moldbug patch. You need to unwind leftism first and the best way to organize that is ethnically. Not because i love muh viking riding wolves artwork, because theres no reason to reinvent the wheel because some fucking jew hipster made you feel edgy and lordy, hes just a fucking blog. Meanwhile in the real world, what is it you guys call that lighted area outside your moms basement windows, Meatspace? Yeah there out there in that reality you are so proud to have discerned from inside the internet, are actual extant ethnic nations, they have people already biologically wired to respond to ethnic schelling points, they have already proved they make good nations. They just have too many non whites brought in by leftists because they could really sell communism to whites.

    But that all seems so complicated and hopeless to neckbeard NRX they think its much more likely we can completely redesign human society based on an internet blog and if we build us muh seastead hot chicks will surely want to join us. Guys look I grew up liking science and ideas and I wouldnt be banging my head here if I didnt appreciate much of this and sure its important to anticipate how technology will fundamentally alter the human race at some point we really will crispr ourselves to a point where we can actually tailor ourselves and our social organizing for each other. all sorts of things are coming up but right now the pressing problem is the 6 billion non whites that want to take your lunch money, any year now massive wars famines plagues droughts etc will send them stampeding unless we are prepared for that there will be no future sci fi you wish for. Mankind all animals have always solved this one way war. sure its horrible and youre not a very handy lot no ones asking you to be on the ramparts just fucking help with setting it up.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    And you’re altering titanic forces of history by, why, posting screeds?

    Seriously.

    The reason why NRX decentralization and exit is meaningful is because its an observation of an already extant trend, and an aspect that has happened before. Beyond that, its not realistic and some of the examples made are asinine if considered organically. Its like arguing that because swords worked before, they should work great as a known quality. No one is going to go back to using swords en masse.

    And this is why most of what you write comes off as mentally ill screeching because it demonstrates incredible lack of awareness of reality. If you followed HBD too, then you’ll know from Peter Frost/hbdchick’s blog that Northern Europeans are genetically not clannish, so you’re trying to expect a world where people stop behaving in ways that they’re genetically prone to demonstrate. And when people are clannish, they are clannish along much more narrow lines than a fantasy of pan-White identity: Nazis are actually a great example, as they used a racial organizing principle. And what did they do next? Declare slavs subhuman, and actually place Japanese in an hierarchy above them.

    Its just in error in so many levels.

    Why Landian NRX works is because exit is an incredibly powerful and effective weapon, despite what you seem to think. Its why even against forced slavery in the past, “exit” was a powerful weapon, even in the form of slacking. Ultimately, you can’t force someone to be productive or enthusiastic. And you can’t force people not to leave, at least not mentally. It takes too much energy to do so en masse and is a large reason why slavery was not profitable compared to wage-slavery.

    Its a self-accelerating measure. No effort needs to be made to push it because acceleration of already extant trends. Sure, warfare and conflict might happen, but I highly doubt it’ll be along the lines or scale you imagine.

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  • K.L.Anderson Says:

    Wagner

    Every great civilization was grounded in one religion or another, be it Buddhism, Christianity, Odinism, ect.. Godhood is a high goal, whether it is the symbolic spiritual goal of god, or the more realistic material evolution to the zenith of evolution defined as Godhood. Nietzsche didn’t need to kill god he needed to reform Godhood. Keep the best of the past but improve it with evolution, that is the bonding of conservatism. I am not an optimist, I am a realist.

    As to imperialism, it is realistic to see history as various forms of imperialism always breaking back down into ethnostates, often after much destruction—you can’t jam distinctly different ethnic groups into one gross imperialism because ethnocentrism or ethnic group-selection remains the main unit of successful survival and reproduction and will always revolt or separate. The latest example is the breakup of the Soviet Union into ethnostates—which Putin seems to be opposing.

    The real mystery is how we can evolve to Godhood, and here I think Raymond Cattell was right in suggesting international research centers to aid all ethnostates in their individual evolutionary needs. War usually only upsets the plans of evolving toward Godhood or blows up the research centers. Power is needed to protect the evolution of a variety of man toward Godhood. Having only one variety of people could lead to another version of the potato famine of Ireland.

    In any case the world will gang up on and destroy any race which has the chutzpah to try to destroy every other race. And that too is realism.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Well at least you get ethno states are the largest patch possible, however alliances between closely related ethno states and trade among all may be possible. You are correct the biggest crime of multicultural nations is they deny outgroups finding workarounds tailored to their specific genome the way they could in their own state. And while I have advocated eventually reducing the remaining stoneage africans and amerindians to small herds in nature preserves that whites are strictly forbidden from contacting However I see no reason their DNA couldnt be kept in freezers if thats your worry. This idea of cultivating them is not good. The whole problem is we are in competition why on earth cultivate your competition. This is why I sometimes go full nazi and advocate taking the entire planet because at some point thats going to come up with the asians at least I really doubt we can avoid it.

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  • Goth Eiríksson Says:

    @ Wagnie

    I can only comment on the Germanic aspect in this particular case of Nietzsche’s etymology. I don’t see why one wouldn’t think ‘good’, ‘goth’ and ‘godly’ are related. Gott is ‘good’ in Icelandic. Goti is a Goth. ‘Got’ (Old High German & Old Dutch), ‘gött’, ‘gott’ (German) are all words for god, as well as goð and guð (Icelandic). Got in Icelandic is referent to procreation, in daily use at least it refers to the newly born offspring of some type of animals, while geta means ‘procreate’ but also ‘to be able to do.’ Gettu is ‘guess.’

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  • Wagner Says:

    That’s the thing, Nick. You stopped caring about truth. Why did you do that

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  • Ur-mail Says:

    To summarize:

    “Either we solve the impossible global scale coordination problem and all nations simultaneously cede sovereignty to some single entity or we face decay into global scale state of war.”

    My bet is almost always on decay.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @Bob

    @ danny

    palm to face theres no fucking exit.

    the chinese are clannish but land has exited to communist china smashing head against wall

    Hajinals are not clannish except thats an amatuer girls theory, except hitler, except the brits, the scots where the word clan comes from, except the french who are the most ethno centric people on the planet except except maybe greeks italians norwegians.except the Hajinal cathedral is terrified of nothing so much as white clannishness.Maybe HBD chick doent quite have it right maybe we are just high trust.

    But it doesn’t matter because we still make the best nations so if you and she are right use religion use propaganda whatever but get the non whites out.

    “exit is an incredibly powerful and effective weapon” -when you have have a half dozen scarcely inhabited continents that you are light years ahead of technologically and the mother country is willing to stake you to a colony. – It strikes me that those who can not grasp this simple concept are the ones ” who come off as having an incredible lack of awareness of reality” Put it this way Danny why haven’t you and Land left yet?

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    Wagner Reply:

    “Put it this way Danny why haven’t you and Land left yet?”

    Signal boost.

    “Exit” is reified. Let’s try to restore it to more of an ethereal Form: think of it as “Emigrate”. Cast in this light it appears akin to “rootless cosmopolitanism”, anti-αὐτόχθων–in a word, Jewry. The logic of Emigrate is: immigrants enter, emigrants exit. Exit is immigrationism. The inner polarity of Exit is hidden: Exit is at the same time Enter. When one exits one enters, this is the way of the Tao. There seems to be an illogic at the heart of Exit: “We don’t like immigrants so we’re going to emigrate”. If we could stave off immigration there would be no need for Exit, no need for this perpetuation of the cycle of immigration, no need for Lands to go without their blessed fish n chips. NRx is frozen in a pre-Brexit, pre-altright, pre-TRUMP panic attack. We don’t have to *resort* to Exit anymore boys, there is an ember now that we can stir with a pair of bellows–*that* is the true Restoration. Patchwork, an idea Cute Curt derived from literally “six million” science fiction books is a futurism; it is in this way that his ideology contrasts with the alt-right’s “pastism”… maybe that’s where the schism lies *squints eyes*

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    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    Haha, this is one of your better posts. I have a new one coming up that’s stuck in the queue.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Here’s another hole in the reasoning of Exit:

    Supposing one wanted to exit an exit-based society–what then?

    The sell-out nature of this website makes a growl emit from me, it must just be

    POPURISM!!1!

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Except Hitler was clannish enough to place Japanese above his more closely related slavs; except the French who prioritized Catholics over their own countrymen; except the Italians who are one of the most admixed populations on Earth….really? Come on, think about it. Your very examples reject your theory.

    The very fact that Land is given such a high position in “Communist China” shows another flaw in your theory, and heck, the entire notion of China being so very clannish and yet having an empire, which required them to be multiracial and indeed developed an entire assimilation theory.

    Land has exited. I also travel between both countries, so in all practical purposes, yes, I have exited too. So no, your ramblings are just…well…sad.

    They clearly seem important to you, though. So I’ll let you to them. Enjoy your world.

    @Wagner: And no, that’s not what Exit means. It means that you setup a patchwork of what you believe in, and then restrict it as you wish. The corporate model is what it is based out of: large companies eventually become bastions of inefficiencies and largely decay, while smaller companies remain more nimble. While employees can exit from one company to another, it does not also mean that companies have to accept anyone as an entrant.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Dan, I read that in a “mad Chinaman” voice, am I off?

    “you setup a patchwork of what you believe in, and then restrict it as you wish”

    Who is this “you” you speak of? Why do I sense that you have tyrannical delusions of grandeur? Collen is right that the ideology here revolves around larpism, a yuge hypothetical: IF patchwork were real, THEN… But Hatchtwerk simply isn’t real. What we have now, in reality, is a cluster of Western “patches” predisposed to saccharine Christian pity and overlorded by post-WWII vengeful Jews ushering in African, Arab, and Asian mud. We don’t want that. Your races are noble, especially compared to primates, but compared to Aryans you yourselves might as well be primates. Get lost ricemonkey.

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    Projection is a sad thing, especially when you can’t tell that you’re doing it. Patchwork is already happening, and evidence is accumulating that it is accelerating; something is hardly ‘larping’ when the technology of social bubbles are self-evident.

    Your refusal to see that and respond, but instead stumble into abuse speaks much more about yourself than anyone else. Good luck with your fantasies.

    Wagner Reply:

    “evidence is accumulating that it is accelerating” – could you link me, slantfriend?

    “the technology of social bubbles are self-evident.” – ditto

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I think possibly Wagner is not read-up on what you, Land and the others are basing their projections on? I am certainly interested in readings of whatever trends seem to be in support of the futurist projections or not.

    I don’t follow much news as I am focusing on studying other things.* There’s Brexit I can think of as a vector (object that has magnitude/length and direction), now Bluexit — are there any more?

    * The endogeography—the cladistics of the ever unfolding daemonic hierarchy of the transcosmic Logos—the gods of the transphenomenal abyss, the archonal chiefdom orchestrating to its unfolding and enfolding formations. Who are the masters of mankinds’ dreams and the chief terraformers of its internal and external topology? How to capture the Cathedral, storm the gates of Heaven? For we wrestle—with Powers and Principalities, Thrones and Dominions—but not merely against them, but with them : they train us and we train them : demons of teleoplexy. “Gotta catch ’em all…” (Gotta attain terminal geekistry ; cosmocofluent autistry ; “Touch me with your magic hoof …” ; terminal transautism.)

    » This notion of the City as teleoplexic intelligence or AI, one that will ultimately re-absorb the process involved in templexity allows us to envision City as a time-machine contrived by civilization in its struggles against entropy. » Emerging from the fusion of streamline design trends with fractionated, cubist forms and the findings of comparative ethnography, it exults in cultural variety, arcane symbolism and opulence of reference – concrete colonial epistemology and metropolitan techno-science are equally its inspirations – as it trawls for design motifs among the ancient ruins of Egypt and Mesoamerica, Chinese temples, recursive structures, sphinxes, spirals, [and] ballistic machine-forms ».

    » the velocity and acceleration of a moving object and the forces acting on it can all be described with vectors. Many other physical quantities can be usefully thought of as vectors »

    I think exit is an infinite length, waves super-seceding waves—isn’t there always room for speciation with technology? What is technology but speciation? What is discourse but speciation? What is exit but speciation?

    The para-philologist in me connects this philologically or acausally even to Vindex — the O9A analogue to Kalki.

    My ancestors and relatives certainly are not strangers to Exit, as Iceland as a commonwealth was founded by Exit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Erikson

    Really, if the Third-Worldist threat continues to grow, I’m sure that there’ll be more leeway for secession. I mean, White people can’t be this stupid forever? They’ll have to appear more autonomist groups and objects with magnitude and direction. Vexit: the growth into distributed autonomous groups from the vexation from central-bureau leftism.

    Endo-secede deeper than the Deep State.

    Exit the Cathedral, enter the Templex

    (M → C → M’) ; Wu-Tang

    Enter the chamber, and it’s a whole different sound
    It’s a wide entrance, small exit like a funnel
    So deep it’s picked up on radios in tunnels
    Niggas are fascinated how the shit begin
    Get vaccinated, my logo is branded in your skin

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    The Leftist central bureau is killing off our speciation.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    I don’t follow much news as I am focusing on studying other things.* There’s Brexit I can think of as a vector (object that has magnitude/length and direction), now Bluexit — are there any more?

    Bluexit and Brexit are two; the increasing viality of Eastern European, e.g. Polish nationalism is another – the emergence of multipolar powers such as China and Russia is yet another, as is the evident power of pretty independent actors such as Wikileaks.

    To me, central governments have economies of scale but that is only as effective as the cost of the bulk, so that’s always been the downside of having a very large army, for example. The logistical cost and communication difficulties of coordination eventually tell on it; this is why monoliths such as IBM get very much stuck and Google turned into Alphabet in a possibly futile effort to maintain its flexibility.

    With governments running costs around 40% of GDP, yet not particularly able to fulfill obligations such as pensions, their bulk causes them to do increasingly costly and useless things, such as the innumerable EU regulations. Furthermore, and more fatally, they become very insensitive to the consequences of their actions in order to solve immediate problems, and I would count both the EU welcome of immigrants(to solve pension crisis) as well as the US ACA to be examples of unforced errors.

    And well, then we get Bluexit which gives us a footprint of how I think patchwork will happen. Nothing as dramatic as civil war and hot drama, which I think appeals to our nature of human beings and stories of valor, but in reality, it probably will be increasingly local entities that refuse to do more than provide lip service to the union. So we see California trying to ignore federal mandates, and threatening to withhold tax funds; so, the casual solution might be invasion, occupation, etc. But I see this happening in a much more widespread manner, and eventually, no, its not going to be very possible to just try to force a way.

    And so, patchwork occurs naturally, as part of developing technologies that accelerate communication, increase social bubbles, and perhaps divorce identity from traditional locale-based to ideology-based enclaves.

    That’s how I see it anyway. Hope it makes sense!

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/326510-eu-president-threatens-to-break-up-the-usa-if-trump-doesnt-offer-support » looks like the EU is backing #Texit »

    It looks like you have yet another vector, Mr. Chieh.

    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    @G. Eiríksson

    In fact, I think I can offer an extremely simple answer which to some extent. We’ve reached what seems to be peak prosperity and it does look like its going downhill from here.

    People don’t play well with the notion of having less – its just how we are. If you’re used to getting four potatoes a day and now you can only have three, its an enormous insult. Fundamentally, this will promote conflict and tribalism, though how exactly that tribalism is defined certainly depends on the individual; that promotes separation and segmentation and everyone tries to get his or her own.

    That, or we all nuke each other, I suppose. Hopefully not that.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Yes farther back in the thread I say restoration not revolution, yes NRX / MM is pre woke, theres reason to hope that the instinct for survival all animals have, europeans have too, I wondered how suicide was selected for.
    Yes rootless cosmopolitanism not pioneerism is whats really behind this, does jewish rule work if so why exit? if not why imitate it? If you can keep from throwing up from the vertigo from logical inconsistencies of “jewerys greatest thinker” you get a glimpse of post exit experience.
    http://forward.com/culture/366594/he-may-be-our-greatest-jewish-thinker-but-what-does-he-think-about-jewish-t/?attribution=home-article-listing-18-headline

    Its worse than we dont like immigrants so we will become them, its the logic of I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member, newsflash its apes all the way up as well as down, which is why Land exits the argument with machines, and why nrx has been chasing its tail for a decade.Theres nothing but illogic in exit legions of illogic. The fears about AI are the sames problems capitalism is having.The same problems capitalism is having democracy is having, today we see the titans of capitalism blackmailing google to get rid of its profitable markets but im told capitalism and technology will solve everything.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    so communist china is going on and on about how globalization is a juggernaut that trump/brexit can’t stop but thats exit? got it. and facebook is patchwork? got it.so when NSA completes the merger and china and cathedral are one patch and the fake news is stomped out forever you exited by clocking the lowcarbonfootprint model IKEA boy. You know whats sad thats your expectations are so low, but youre asian so youre bred for slavery

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    Daniel Chieh Reply:

    You can have any opinion you want about reality, but it doesn’t change reality, not even if you hold to it furiously. Indeed, if mass wishing really was so effective, then democracy would have worked a lot better.

    Pity, that.

    Buh bye.

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  • Goth Eiríksson Says:

    To be sure, I have not studied philology nor etymology as a Discipline, but I do have a talent for languages. Imo I could hardly even call myself an amateur accidental etymologist, but more like an etymologophile. Since I am an (etymo)logophile I contend that philology means love of study, love of doctrines/theories, love of science, love of logic, love of reason.

    Apparently the classical sense agrees with me, subsequently having googled this: » Greek φιλολογία (philologia) … a love of learning, of literature as well as of argument and reasoning, reflecting the range of activities included under the notion of λόγος. » One might use the older word to distinguish it from the Cathedral academia sense. Needless to say I would never pretend to be a professional (i.e. a paid or titled worker) in something I am only an amateur (loving worker), but the late modern hyperemphasis on credentialism is a disease of the mediocre and an organ of the Cathedral. I’ve seen such mediocre twats you wouldn’t believe claim superiority through a diploma — like total suckers of cock, with no fingerspitzengefühl (exactly the type that makes fun of long words) but who can parrot well enough what their social environment says about the given topic. You’re a real Freud you bot—they’re gonna feed you the hemlock any moment.

    I’ve certainly dug out meanings which I’m sure are right, and I can convince a common sense person of them being right, but I’m a bit too nihilistic to present it to the ‘authorities’. Not that teachers haven’t been happy when I speak up, in fact I’ve been called intelligent in front of the whole class a few times to my surprise whatever eroticism produced that from the teachers. A philosophy teacher graded me A for all the assignments I did, called one answer of mine ‘a brilliant exposition’—his other comments were akin—and to one answer of mine suggested funnily that we should work a theory on the topic together against P. Singer whose theory happened to be the topic I was writing on.

    Cryptogenic however I don’t know where he gets his false sense of superiority from; I mean I get that he’s smart, but he’s not as intelligent as he thinks he is—he wouldn’t be such a Nurse Ratched or Battleaxe Nurse if he was. Someone with a Superiority Complex, an attempt to make up for a deep seated feeling of inferiority, soul-death and misanthrophy (‘wherever the art of medicine is loved, there is also love of humanity.’ — Hippocrates). He’s just so darn human, seeing as his biases garnered out of submerged emotional hurt and fear. He’s like a cat pissing for territory. No actual position above the game, but an all-too-human imperative from instinct, just puking into his mouth, swallowing, regurgitating the superego and then puking it onto here occasionally. A failed brahmin, we could say even though he never but superficially attempted to belong to that class (you can’t buy yourself or cocksuck your way into it anyway, you are born into it by prenatal destiny)—perhaps he does some philanthropic work or donations for social show.

    If he thinks he’s smarter than me that’s a fascinating thing for me. Too bad that the novelty is lessened by the extreme commonality of people believing they are smarter than those who they are not actually more intelligent than. Land is e.g. obviously extremely intelligent but the number of mediocre academic mobber tossers who comment on him online as if they were smarter is not low.

    Social acceptance or position is needless to say not the same as intelligence. Cryptogenic has been the agent here of it being the same; an agent of the superego or Mouravieff’s General Law. But we know the superego or ‘social ego’ is dumb. The stoners of the Catholic saint Mary were adhering to their mix of id and superego, like Cryptogenic is with his comments. Cryptogenic you need love.

    http://imgur.com/gallery/mwKmr

    Amusingly there was a type of doctor in the series «The OA» which reminded me of Cryptogenic. We’ll see in season 2 if he gets the love he needs in this life or the next.

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    Goth Eiríksson Reply:

    🙂

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  • Cryptogenic Says:

    “there is an ember now that we can stir with a pair of bellows–*that* is the true Restoration. ”

    *This* is psychotic, trust-based yearning without a shred of cunning. Good luck, bucket crab.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    » Greek psykhosis meant “a giving of life; animation; principle of life.” »

    Anyway, watching «The Great Wall» with Matt Damon I come to think of that the insect-reptile hybrid monsters are lead by a Queen, like the xenomorphs in the «Alien» franchise universe.

    Is the subconscious telling us something about our gynaecocratic state?

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  • Wagner Says:

    *I* happily gallivant around with the label of psycho, you must have misunderstood the doctrine of the pathos of distance my friend. (You might take this as ironic but I do treasure you crypt, more than most) but whence cometh your fixation on crustaceans? Your mother is related to these clawed, shelled creatures is my guess.

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  • Goth Eiríksson Says:

    » Intelligences do their own thing, in direct proportion to their intelligence »—N. Land.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg1d5oXiwuU

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