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Is capitalism defecting from democracy?

The central reason why Western democracy is in decline is that its capitalist bedfellow can no longer afford the financial demands that full-blown democracy is placing upon it. History has shown that capitalism can adapt, consorting with a variety of political systems in the past 5,000 years. Looking ahead, it will probably find another political host to aid its survival. Democracy — capitalism’s host over the past century — is far more brittle. …

(Via.)

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  • SVErshov Says:

    Kind of great observations, always made by someonesle, and not by me, unfortunately .

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    Hegemonizing Swarm Reply:

    Absolutely. Seems to me that capital, having become ever more fluid and globalized, doesn’t see the need for cooperation with specific governments anymore, and whatever wins the jurisdictional arbitrage is likely not democracy, with its high overhead. The writing has been on the wall for decades, but it’s now becoming pronounced even in rich countries.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Capital is trans-national not supra-national.

    Capital will become supra-national when there is supra-national government to enforce property rights.

    The difference between trans and supra is the between Investor State Dispute Settlements and outright expropriation.

    Stay Swarmin’.

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    Hegemonizing Swarm Reply:

    I agree. Though I’m not sure a supra-national government is necessary in practice (or realistic). Most of the manipulation by capital is incredibly subtle, with carrots in the right places and threatening exit. Bigger sticks such as State Dispute Settlements are almost exclusively used in resource conflicts, by necessity bound to geography. For the rest, capital is less dependent on specific countries, especially with ongoing automation and virtualization of labor. Countries are pitted against each other to be competitive on the world stage.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Supra-national government is already in action, the question is how formalistic it is.

    Government is not a human creation. It comes through men.

    Governed ‘things’, means there is

    govern-ment.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I said

    Government is not a human creation. It comes through men.

    Government and hierarchy are essentially the same thing. Monkey troupe has hierarchy. Insects do. They have government. Chief monkey decide. Enforce.

    The question is, how intelligent the government is. Government is not an invention but something trans-human. Pre-human. Now cybernetic and cyb-org too. I’m not throwing around jargon, this is in the sciences. Possibly they won’t call it government, but they speak of “governed by…”. No?

    The homo sapiens sapiens brain is smartest, except it seems to be a receiver of hierarchy.

    Say what? Well, this is Landian: the Principle of Capitalism

    made flesh. Cybernetic governors. It’s no human. Human learn

    to become Cybernaut. Steersmanship. Cybersea, seen, sentient bein’, we in

    I win

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    After this I click a link on Xenosystems.net I’ve plausibly never clicked before. It’s under «More Reality» by the name of Urban. Its first posted item is http://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html

    It says ☻▬» The mind-bending bigness of Neuralink’s mission, combined with the labyrinth of impossible complexity that is the human brain, made this the hardest set of concepts yet to fully wrap my head around ». Fortuitous.

    However it also says

    The problem is that no one had any nerves. Without nerves, you can’t move, or think, or process information of any kind. So you just had to kind of exist and wait there until you died.

    This is wrong. Organisms without nervous systems process information.

    ▬» The question of whether paramecia exhibit learning has been the object of a great deal of experimentation, yielding equivocal results. However, a study published in 2006 seems to show that Paramecium caudatum may be trained, through the application of a 6.5 volt electric current, to discriminate between brightness levels.[23] »

    It learns also how to get out of tubes, with its microtubules.

    Rohme Reply:

    Erik,

    You always win. You are a great writer. I’m curious, and don’t reply if this is overly-familiar, but what is your occupation?

    Also, I would agree with your views on hierarchy but hierarchy in the abstract sense.

    All manifestations of hierarchy are products of this abstract hierarchy. They are manifestations of its dynamism, and as such as manifestations, are unstable, and breed and die. 🙂

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I work my bulldozer on my family’s property on our estate. I also am a landlord, a householder, and a freiwillige writer.

    My great-grandfather was the first Icelander to import a bulldozer. He founded this estate. He founded the business and was involved in municipal development.

    My grandfather after him inherited the estate, and continued the bulldozing business.

    They were cow farmers, and sheep farmers, and horse farmers as well. Indeed they bound books too.

    My father bought this land from grandpa. He continued the bulldozing and rented out land to horse-farmers.

    He died from cancer, from unresolved emotional tensions.

    I am his inheritor, and drive his machine.

    I will make my own Disney

    Park. & Castle

    Rock

    Rohme Reply:

    I am sorry to hear about your father.

    But that is quite a distinguished and colorful genealogy.

    I am glad your work affords you creative indulgences. If you write anything of considerable length and worth, I hope you’re able to share it.

    Surely, you would agree the bulldozer and the pen are the same instrument, only for different objects!

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Anarchy is the admittal of “I don’t see the order-ing”.

    But yes, Mr. Giuliano — I will share IT.

    Pens, & bulldozers, agreed

    are the same thing

    Cold be hand and heart and bone
    And cold be sleep under stone:
    Never more to wake on stony bed
    Never, till the sun fails and the moon is dead
    In the black wind the stars shall die
    And still on gold here let them lie
    Till the dark lord lifts his hand
    Over dead sea and withered land
    When the winter first begins to bite
    And stones crack in the frosty night
    When pools are black and trees are bare
    It is evil in the wild to fare
    To lay down my will upon the Land, Lugburz
    No sound disturbs this place of blackened souls
    This winter walls of stone and ice behold thy might
    Again I’m kneeling down to hear these strange tunes of war
    Night, oh beloved night, your wisdom floats into my mind
    And forms my thoughts of Middle-Earth
    To build up a new mighty empire

    Rohme Reply:

    No, anarchy does the ordering!

    Anarchy, hierarchy, order are all dynamisms.

    Civilizations collapse because each tide brings a wave that skirts the beach until one finally knocks over the sand castle.

    That’s quite a remarkable poem. Yours?

    This is a great example of Left and Right Acceleration:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmDkn-VVuQ

    Tipper Gore is R/ACC and Jello Biafra is L/ACC.

    Both of their little castles have waves coming for them.

    The only thing vaguely connected with futurity is the vaporwave commercial break Muzak.

    “Marx invented the vaporwave aesthetic.” Haha. One of your many great quotes.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Chaos itself is a reason.

    A reason.

    Logos

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Anarchy is as nonexistant as equality. It’s an abstraction, like a perfect circle, but nonexistant like a perfect circle. Which is to say that it exists only in the imagination.

    Difference exists beyond the imagination. Ordering exists beyond the imagination.

    That’s why you can order a pizza, but a call for anarchy just revolutionizes one order for another.

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    Rohme Reply:

    You admit to order you’re also admitting to disorder.

    I already said anarchy as a political project is impossible.

    I’m talking about entropy, flux, Heraclitean fire.

    Everything is in motion, in contact, colliding.

    The stronger bonds hold he weaker bonds together. That’s the hierarchy.

    Black hole center. Galaxy. Solar system. Solar Logos.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Anarchy means disorder, that’s right. But the cosmos is order. Disorder is only an apparition of an order one hasn’t correctly perceived.

    The sea, seems disorderly. It is perfectly orderly.

    The humans seem random.

    Things seem.

    Rohme Reply:

    We fundamentally, cosmologically disagree.

    Rohme Reply:

    Don’t confuse stability with permanence.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Disagree about what?

    It is evident that what was previously thought as chaos becomes reason under study.

    ▬» The unreal subsumes under itself all the preconceived intellectual formulations arbitrarily constructed without achieving the corresponding state. »

    Wagner Reply:

    If there were no chaos there would be no need to discuss chaos. Chaos is a chaotic enough concept that Rohme seeks to give order to it. Order is likewise chaotic enough to inspire Erikson to seek to give order to it (order). Inversion-wise, Rohme gives chaos to order and Erikson gives chaos to chaos. If Erikson is right that it’s order all the way down then whence cometh the order/chaos debate itself? From order? But if Rohme is right that the “center” is a “Black hole” then whence cometh his order-giving to chaos? From chaos?

    Epicurus, paleo-shitlord and exit pioneer, classically articulated this essential query in a theological rather than physicalist manner when he asked whence cometh evil. Speaking non-astrologically, I think the black hole has an effect on the young. The black hole may be a physical phenomenon but in practice by its believers it acts as a subconscious metaphor. It is a postmodern cosmological myth that grounds the irresolvability of the problem of evil. Chaos, black, hole, evil, same thing: suffering. The problem of suffering, there is no solution to the problem of suffering. Christianity during the early middle ages, said Nietzsche, was a dog kennel; chillingly and with Yahwehan wrath Land judged us post-Christians to be a “pack of broken dogs.” We have our dignity, we can believe in “the universe”, “reality”, or other such consensus-reality myth-word dog-toys, flux among them, but street dogs get worms and die of starvation. If we had the choice between not being able to transcend to the Logos and being able to transcend to the Logos by kennel-means, we would choose the former, and do. Our conscience forbids us from kennels. Maybe Erikson is right that there is merit to LARPing, unless he’s just LARPing when he says that.

    Mama, what does science say Being is? A mysterious black hole that devours matter. Wh-here? In the center of you, me, everything. In th-the center of daddy? Yes, in the center of daddy, grandpa, your dollies, umm duckies, it’s motion all the way down to the teeniest atom. What is an atom? It’s, erm, chaotically structured, it goes down deeper, sweety. Am I evil mommy?

    Erikson, the black hole is a bullet hole through God and God is Tupac and Science is Biggie, pop pop muffugga. Biggie got hiz dinny hiz azz got capped TOO@@! BOOF BOOF

    In the new religion the black hole mythos, if it is not expurgated entirely, will be subordinated to the Main God (void knows what that will be). Maybe he’ll be like a mixture of Tupac and Biggie, son.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I didn’t say anarchy, which you equate here with chaos, is nonexistant. I said it’s as nonexistant as equality. And I said it is existant in the imagination.

    Really, that deals with your whole post.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    there is no solution to the problem of suffering.

    Philosopher’s mumbo. Or ‘philosophic’ mumbo. Just take care of yourself and you won’t suffer.

    If you’re born with a disease, or sum shit, solve it or kill yourself, or miminize your suffering as you can until someone solve’s it.

    Philosophy has killed the world. It’s ascetic in Nietzsche’s bad sense.

    Everybody has their philosophy or ideology now.

    Stoicism is a sign of degeneration.

    Just fuck White girls

    make babies

    eat pay

    slay

    Rohme Reply:

    Order is appearance. Chimera.

    Don’t confuse stability with permanence.

    That’s the only koan I have for you, Erik’s Son, Lord of the Dozers, 33rd Degree Vaporwave Mason.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Appearance is order. Anarchy is appearance. Anarchy is an appearance of another order. It is order. Out of the appearance of chaos.

    Some see chaos where others know the plan. 33

    The world, the cosmos, is order.

    This is order, lingua

    Reason

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    not trying to convince you of supervening order upon disorder

    no, instead im trying to get you to admit to a pre-order

    just like a hasty consumer, the universe pre-orders

    identities in their various chemical constitutions

    anyone would accept as material to an order

    but what of multiplicities, potentialities?

    morphogenesis is not pre-figured, no

    at the very limits of our empiricism

    nestles divine incompleteness no?

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  • Erebus Says:

    Hassle-free version: http://archive.is/fP3j4

    >Only India’s ascendancy might yet give Western-style democracy a second chance and a new lease on life.

    Hah! If that’s the case, stick a fork in ‘er. “Western-style democracy” is done.

    Look to history: Capitalism is older than Ancient Babylon; it has always been one of the more dominant features of human civilization. Democracy is exceedingly rare, has always been unstable, and a democracy based on universal suffrage is something new. (And exceedingly stupid.) Its foundations are already under severe strain. It can’t and won’t last.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    >Only India’s ascendancy might yet give Western-style democracy a second chance and a new lease on life.”

    Maybe, but in a way that author hardly can imagine. Heavy billing on Indian capital always goes with heavy looting, that way Indian business always get back every cent. Not sure if it can be called Western-style democracy.

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    Orthodox Reply:

    Everyone knows India has been held back because of democracy. Now it is making strides because Hindu nationalist Modi rules more like an authoritarian.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    Democracy have to end in tyranny and Modi does not fit that bill. He is not even nationalist but just playing that card. He is trying to run goverment a la Putin corporation style, but curve is too sharp and speed is too high.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Liberal democracy began to die the minute it won WWII. Without competition to keep it honest, it went down the Soviet rabbit hole.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Good point.

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    Wagner Reply:

    > liberal democracy won WWII

    What a fucking nightmare.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Axis Powers would have had their United Nations.

    I thankful Greece and Russia sacrificed so many that that didn’t happen.

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    Anon Reply:

    >axis powers collaborating
    >he hasn’t read moldbug’s historical passages on axis power diplomatic infighting and showing they had no real alliance to speak of

    You from reddit or /lit/?

    also, sure glad that our totalitarian globalized islamo-rainbow-mud Brazil with the gdp widget-humans came about than the “terrible” modally impossible axis UN.

    Rohme Reply:

    From the Tripartite Pact

    ARTICLE III. Italy, Germany and Japan, even after the victorious conclusion of this war, will collaborate closely in the spirit of the Tripartite Pact, concluded Sept. 21, 1940, in order to realize and establish an equitable new order in the world.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    No where.. not any where, did the Founding Fathers mention democracy.

    It was Republic, Republic, Republic!

    I bet they said it with such zeal they even rolled their r’s like a bunch of mestizos.

    Anyway, if you’re expecting there to be a change in government now, even in the face of mounting pressures, you’re giving government too much credit.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    And if you’re expecting ‘the people’ to do anything about it, you’re giving ‘the people’ too much credit.

    Centripetal and centrifugal forces.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Seems to me the “capitalists that matter, ( not the dry cleaners owner) have allied with communism or at least communism’s latest iteration racial redistributionism via globalism.It seems the two of them actually believed it was time for a sustainable compromise, which jibes with the last 200 year push towards global demotism from both “sides” Or they each intend to stab each other in the back when the moment is right.

    For now the game seems to be cheap labor for votes, regulation for high barriers to entry from competitors, larger markets aforlarger spheres of power.,fiat money but guarantees to have as much as you want for free and to be able to monetize the debt, and shake down the recalcitrant nations. The merely wealthy who can benefit from the asset appreciation ahem inflation, enjoy the system, they are allowed their borders, they are allowed to kil the niggers if they can afford to do it by proxy just no private nigger killing for the masses.

    No I don’t see “capitalists abandoning “democracy ” anytime soon.But you might find democracy abandoning capitalism in the near future, if they cant get enough niggers in in time.
    So much for intelligence, you would think the capitalists would be the intelligent ones and the cathedralists morons out of a bad atlas shrugged production. But it was clearly the capitalists that surrendered on the eve of victory, and seemed to overlook that the cathedralists would hold all the levers of power and guns. What they were thinking is beyond … short term profits we suppose.This seems to be a recurring theme with capitalism its short sighted.

    The jews play the long game. Of course its worth noting there was a lot of jew entry into capitalism by the time they surrendered, so perhaps it wasnt such a voluntary surrender. The jews tended to target capital projects that are integral to cathedralism and so have a better bargaining position with it. also anyone familiar with jew business practice knows they are really good at making money under harsh conditions, they basically keep two sets of books, one actual for the authority and the other in their head of who is owed what on the next deal. Its actually quite interesting to watch this unspoken but highly detailed process play out.

    The case for democracys and capitalisms syncretism has been the are both synthetic evolution, self adjusting to changes in reality. and that because of this they reinforce and benefit each other. But both are targets for those with agendas of their own.It may have been thought each would keep the other in check but that was as naive as the idea that each would keep itself in check.

    I like capitalism but I cant help feeling I like it the way I used to like catholicism and democracy once.Unlike the D and D players around and despite liking the middle ages I always thought a meritocracy was an improvement on an aristocracy.Alas both are a confederacy of dunces.It never takes long for enough betas to figure out how to neutralize the alpha. Anyone who wants to argue what we have is simply the triumph of the true aristocracy i submit our last ten presidents.

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    The only thing to do as pre-humanoid robots is learn more house dancing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_e95wXQZw

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    Hegemonizing Swarm Reply:

    > Seems to me the “capitalists that matter, ( not the dry cleaners owner) have allied with communism or at least communism’s latest iteration racial redistributionism via globalism.

    If that’s the case, the OP still holds. However weird allying “communism” and global capitalism sounds, it’s clearly no longer western-style democracy.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    for decades I thought the conspiracy theorists that, with variations, claimed the elites/rich were allied with the international communists were seriously in need of a lesson in where the two sides self interest lay.Of course that seems naive now its all out in the open now.billionaire bolsheviks are legion its almost a requirement, and communists no longer seek to seize capitalism assets just use them and tax them, in return giving them protection. the marxists gave up on winning on economics and took over culture.Culture trumps economics, economics runs on top of culture, wealth like other systems was a means to power power exists in culture the only thing that trumps it is biology ie kill them.The right seems not to have grasped this deeply enough so they lost the culture war defending the economic war then lost the capitalists in the end too. Trump intuits this a bit and the right hates him.Lands reaction is to his own former marxism, hes wearing sackcloth in overcorrection.

    Youre right in a sense its not democracy, but moldbug already explained that the masses are manipulated to vote for who they are told to. so that one way to go seize the cathedral by any means necessary and reprogram the masses to vote for reality.

    Or seize the cathedral and restore democracy to the intended system of a meritocratic search for rulers.that responds to reality in a real time market. I think this might be possible for the people who can invent machines smarter than themselves. Right now we tolerate incredibly absurd and corrupt influence on our system, its the genius of the cathedral to disperse the responsibility in such a way that we become convinced no one person can be blamed or held to account and so nothing can be done but shrug. This is of course not true we know exactly who is doing what and could easily stop it.well we might have to shoot them but thats not so hard even quite enjoyable.

    the main point is to eradicate democracy and replace it with a monarch or more absurd still some weird scifi experimental system would be impossible you would not just have to kill the left but the right as well. Its impossible and unnecessary. People not fit to rule know that about themselves and willingly follow competent leaders.You can keep the “democracy” and still rule hierarchically. The problem is not the proles the problem is other elites.

    A lot could be said about why we are having [as every successful iteration of euromen civilization has had] a problem with elites in the late stage -hint its again the culture stupid.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You and Land seem to agree that euromen (for Land esp. anglomen) are not geared toward staunch authoritarianism. At the same time, it ought to be noted, consistently part of Land’s rhetorical/pedagogical repertoire is the pragmatic telling of self-fulfilling prophecies, and he devotes a substantial degree of energy to derailing the alt-right which is in favor of staunch authoritarianism and is composed of euromen. We are a breed that likes to experiment; it seems the communist experiment and the patchwork-prophecy experiment stem from this same hyper-liberalism that distinguishes us from the death-like mimetics of sand and jungle monkeys. You both seem to be trying to preemptively defuse this experimental impulse, only from different perspectives. I’m optimistic about an experiment in authoritarianism so in that sense I am firely situated in the alt-right camp. However, I don’t want people to look back on the experiment two generations after it is attempted and see it as a failure similar to Mao’s China or Stalin’s Russia. So I concede it’s prudent to proceed with caution. But Mike I don’t see how you can disentangle democracy from anti-meritocracy. The only way for humanity to rise beyond the narrow interests of the rabble is via the installation of a dictatorship that is indifferent and indeed contemptuous of the “public will”. In terms of evolution, there are literal monkeys, monkey-like humans, and human-like humans; the human-like humans should tell the monkey-like humans what to do. I don’t think this falls under the category of democracy, and I don’t see any other option if our goal is to transcend animality.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I like your comment, after i posted it I was tempted to do one of my followups. I read a sailer quip noting the negative corelation between education (and I assume intelligence) and the inability to notice reality Sailer: “It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.Which reminded me that NRX and lands variety in particular reminds me that elites have experimented with governance to disastrous effect. It seems high IQ and idle handls are the devils workshop.Theres a saying in the 12step world “dont just do something sit there”As you may recall Im pessimistic about any system being sustainable given our current genome. We seem to have outsmarted ourselves.
    So what you say is pertinent.Im not aware of lands anti monarchism except to note his anti humanism implies it.You may recall I link this tendency to democracy with at least two other traits of euromen, a high tolerance to others and higher status for women. all have in some environments obviously been helpful but seem to be our undoing as our success brings us into contact with other breeds.yes our intelligence on a race wide and an individual level leads to imagination innovation and experimentation, we think abstractly. obviously we are going to apply that to our own organization. If we could as we hope to redesign our DNA or as the commies imagined had no genetic predisposition then this experimentation would probably succeed like many of our others. But the reason I lately not what is running on top of what is because GNON. we are trying often to override deeper systems with shallower ones. Hey obviously thought experiments amuse me as well and NRX/DE is pretty cool in many ways especially to a born reactionary, I especially liked the constant reversion to the rule of GNOn that we used a lot several years ago.We just dont seem to apply it to our own theories as rigorously.Yes for a time i kind of excepted MM and authoritarianism, but I had to admit I always imagined myself as the king, its not nearly as appealing otherwize, and I noticed a lot of other things I have spoken of, but mostly I noticed time was running out and we are actually talking of real life and death for our people my own children will live through it I even may.And so how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or make infinite paperclips seemed an effete elite game unfit for men who claim to wish to become worthy to take power.yes take not assume.
    So can i disentangle democracy from anti meritocracy? Im not sure it matters or that they are entangled. But I cant seem to get anyone in NRX to disentangle the two in their minds thanks to moldbug.Oh sure MM is correct in a sense that you can put communism and democracy in the same box, but isnt that a semantic trick? we could put stalin and charlemagne n the same box, we could put libertarianism and anarchy in the same box, And aren’t we sort of ignoring details like the difference between a republic and niggers voting for free shit. yes i understand MM argument how one led to the other, but then theres greece and rome and britain and the US not a terrible record no? Was euromans democracy designed to enable nbiggers to be able to outvote shitlords?No it was designed to solve the problem of a good man being hard to find and the odds of his son being equally good astronomical.It was designed to find the best man for the job in real time.It was designed as a market.Its true today it operates something like a stock market where people with no money can place trades with equal weight to those who pay cash and can then only honor winning trades, market is getting distorted for sure so problem is finding way for market to give better feedback. seems like a simpler problem than re inventing western civilization and hoping a collapse happens and happens to lead to this new inventions adoption. maybe thats just me. maybe its just me thinking until we understand evolutionary psychology better we oughtn’t reinvent. I suppose it could be argued that euroman doesnt in fact have a propensity for limited government or that it could be overcome. Then I would like to see at least an attempt for that case to be made by these that imagine themselves such deep thinkers. perhaps they can only think deep in vertically narrow tranches and are the wrong type of minds to be designing such a broad subject.
    Your last two sentences I think are also interesting and while I read them as a typical misinterpretation of what im getting at its also somewhat fair to ask to adress.The last sentence i certainly dont dispute, People even if we are talking about white people obviously vary in ability. Im not sure how I can say this any differently and be heard. I see no evidence that the rabble is the problem.First I note as the Sailer quote implies the rabble seems to get reality better than the experimental class.They vote more conservatively and have little political interest unless manipulated by the clever.My entire life i have been easily able to lead people that needed leading its easy I have found they innately understand their limitations and want to be led, any competent leader ought to be able to signal them that they are the leader. Its other elites that use the cathedral tactics to rile the mobs for their own ends.And in order to do that to the morbid degree that gave rise to reaction they had to dumb down re educate and finally import 40% nigger population to even get to the point of 51% occasionally.And how did they do this economics? politics? religion? NO none quite did the trick, they resorted to culture just as mass media gave them the means.More than culture lets be honest they are actually lying to and brainwashing to an astonishing degree a huge proportion of the people- the people who count the clever apes. all the niggers and proles could demand free shit till the cows come home and it wouldn’t matter if 60% of the cog elites were not convinced of all sorts of absolute rubbish.95% of white progressives are that way because they actually believe lies.

    But theres the moral question what do we owe the stupid the less than even the niggers. Strictly speaking I think the rule of gnon applies. we owe gnon that we use any means and that means any means in an amoral sense if it can be done its moral- we use any means to survive to replicate our DNA; and by doing so we have done our duty to gnon to ourselves and to life on this planet and possibly the multiverse.with excess resources we should back up the next closest copies of our DNA in ascending order. For an intelligent species like ourselves this almost always means less than all against all. we tend to be wealthy. However somewhere in that calculation it gets beyond the average brain to calculate at what point your seriously excessive wealth given to fairly distant copies is actually not funding plan z but rather funding the competition.I think an ethno state is probably a pretty fair approximation, but Im open to hearing the quants work it out. My gut tells me its the right size if managed prudently, by which i mean cultivating our left tail and extending our right. Instead we have been doing the opposite. Yes somewhere in the contracts for survival that develop as we trade our resources for mutual survval we develop a thing we call morality. But i think its better thought of as game theory because GNON the whole of the law is any means necesary so these bargains are subject to change. If land can one day prove he really can exit to elysium with the 1% may non be with him, I simply dont think he can and I think for now t would be foolish to doublecross that idaho farm boy manning the nuclear sub in the north china sea because land will end up as chop suey.
    But as you may have intuited I also question what it is we should be valuing, quality of life I think has been going down while my net worth has gone up, Immigration for instance has to a large degree caused both. I suppose unlike many here I have always moved among all classes and prefer it that way If I spend too long among any class I become annoyed with them so elysium doesnt appeal, I have enough money I could spend time in todays elysium’s it makes my skin crawl to think of it.Most cog eltes are really liberal or very old Im usually most comfortable when I find high IQ people among the proles,I think many here and on the left are way off in their estimations of how common those are.So while perhaps I dont actually claim to owe the masses any moral stewardship I do think its in my self interest both practically and aesthetically.

    Wagner Reply:

    It’s too bad Land ignores Mike, I think there could be a synergy there. On the other hand I think Land has a duty to ignore Mikes. Both of you, all three of us, are playing a Machiavellian game. The things Mike says Land can’t acknowledge to be true. He may think them to be true, but why would he espouse them? IF the rabble is a reality (Mike I know in your heart of hearts you know this) the would-be Napoleon, or Moldbuggian Receiver, would shun exactly the things Mike says because the rabble would be repelled by them. Mike is trying to align with the rabble through disalignment with Land’s disalignment with the rabble. Either way Collen Ryan, you are acting the monarch in deed, if not in speech. You are right that we have outsmarted ourselves, you have outsmarted yourself too. Have I outsmarted myself here? Only you can say.

    My take is you see something more tragic than Land and he refuses to admit it’s true.

    Anon Reply:

    >You and Land seem to agree that euromen (for Land esp. anglomen) are not geared toward staunch authoritarianism

    Neither Land nor Swarm are libertarian or anti-authoritarian in any way. That’s their public persona and ethos they try to rhetorically project to their chosen audience when kairos warrants it. They are both crypto-marxists who larp as silicon valley wall street gordon geckos and want to accelerate capital for left wing intents. All this is backed up if you read Land’s writings. I’m surprised you buy into their bullshit, Wagner, you strike me as someone who has the capacity to see through such deceptions. I can understand the morons at Hestia Society and Jacobite Magazine not seeing through this (I’ve even seen Deleuzians and accelerationists on other forums openly admit that they can see what Land is doing. Funny how the people who have claimed to read Moldbug the most don’t take his advice on the UR SDS/weatherman post about listening to your enemy when they announce how they are going to screw you).

    Wagner Reply:

    If Land is trying to accelerate toward full communism he’s falling into Nietzsche’s trap:

    “Socialism–as the logical conclusion of the tyranny of the least and the dumbest, i.e., those who are superficial, envious, and three-quarters actors–is indeed entailed by “modern ideas” and their latent anarchism… Nevertheless, in many places in Europe they may yet bring off occasional coups and attacks: there will be deep “rumblings” in the stomach of the next century, and the Paris commune, which has its apologists and advocates in Germany, too, was perhaps no more than a minor indigestion compared to what is coming…

    In the doctrine of socialism there is hidden, rather badly, a “will to negate life”; the human beings or races that think up such a doctrine must be bungled. Indeed, I should wish that a few great experiments might prove that in a socialist society life negates itself, cuts off its own roots. The earth is large enough and man still sufficiently unexhausted; hence such a practical instruction and demonstratio ad absurdum would not strike me as undesirable, even if it were gained and paid for with a tremendous expenditure of human lives.”

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    In the doctrine of socialism there is hidden, rather badly, a “will to negate life”

    What have I said?

    Wagner Reply:

    “…three-quarters actors…”

    Nietzsche anticipated the signalling, LARPing, and accelerationism memes. The alt-right is Nietzscheanism for the masses. In the Genealogy he says,

    “I grant all honor to the ascetic ideal, insofar as it is honest! So long as it believes in itself and does not play games with us! But I can’t stand all these coquettish insects, with their insatiable ambition to sniff out the infinite, until finally the infinite stinks of bugs. I can’t stand these white sepulchres who treat life as play acting.”

    Ha, there’s more than enough play acting on the left AND the right, I’d say. N was a bit of a play-actor himself, and they/we were made in his image. The contradiction of his philosophy is that he rank-orders appearance over reality, yet honesty [Redlichkeit] over lies. Perhaps regarding appearance he was simply too honest. He was as much a child of the enlightenment as he was its enemy, much like how the alt-right is authoritarian in theory yet bizarrely libertarian toward the cathedral. The cathedral is one party, the alt-right is another.

    “By lie I mean: wishing not to see something that one does see; wishing not to see something as one sees it. Whether the lie takes place before witnesses or without witnesses does not matter. The most common lie is that with which one lies to oneself; lying to others is, relatively, an exception.

    Now this wishing-not-to-see what one does see, this wishing-not-to-see as one sees, is almost the first condition for all who are PARTY in any sense; of necessity, the party man becomes a liar.” The Antichrist

    “WET BLANKET. A: You’re a wet blanket and everybody knows it! B: Obviously! I’m dampening an enthusiasm that encourages belonging to some party, which is what parties won’t forgive.” The Gay Science

    It’s clear Nazism and the alt-right are dry blankets that chose the willed appearance aspect of N’s philosophy over Redlichkeit:

    “Oh, those Greeks! They knew how to live: for that purpose it is necessary to keep bravely to the surface, the fold and the skin; to worship appearance, to believe in forms, tones, and words, in the whole Olympus of appearance! Those Greeks were superficial – from profundity!”

    That’s exactly what a priest would say, i’n’it? In The Antichrist he says directly that beliefs are most effective when they’re MADE UNCONSCIOUS. Most don’t apply this to what they incorporate of Nietzsche’s philosophy itself.

    “To what extent can truth endure incorporation? That is the question, that is the experiment.”

    Humans alive now can endure truth just about as well as humans could endure it 6000 years ago. The veil of maya is timeless.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    “…three-quarters actors…”

    Nietzsche anticipated the signalling, LARPing, and accelerationism memes.

    I wouldn’t equate LARPIng with pretending-acting. LARPing is something higher.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    But you’re right Accelerationism is a meme-without-substance. Acceleration is not.

    Acceleration is Moore’s Law. Doubling every two years. At the least. More

    Lowercase accelerationism is the stance of acceleratin’ something…

    But uppercase Accelerationism is a marxoid dream-mare.

    It’s the fevered Sciency-fiction writing or nu-males.

    It’s the feminist paraphiliac getting off gadget

    It’s the thrilling voodoo-like literacy

    of convulsions, dissolution

    death and macabre

    pseudo-valor!

    squalor!

    isa

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Colleen nails it again.

    With one exception: us Deplorables like the vote.

    Hell we’re the ones fighting for it, for all of the It’s whatever it is…

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    collen ryan Reply:

    VXXC while I agree the moldy jew has critiqued modern “democracies” faults pretty well, I dont delude myself like many who identify as nrx, with these half baked ideas like monarchy or crypto locked sewer systems that entrench a patchlord.I basically think we are stuck with democracy short of or probably even after a collapse or war, I actually think euroman is genetically predisposed to less hierarchical rule.

    As i said in my comment aristocracies were improved upon with meritocracies,end of story, its pretty retarded to call yourself a realist and be touting monarchy especially as applied to a infinitely more complex modern state.

    The patch Idea has some good points, but as you and I keep reminding these VR Gens giving up one inch of continental US would be incredibly retarded ( I guess theres no digital version of risk, though they seem to get eurasion georealism.) Its worth mentioning the USG is supposed by law to consist of 50 sovereign patches.While it may be fun to imagine the impossible at this point in time its pretty irresponsible to waste that time.

    ironically I was attracted to NRX/DE by its seeming ability to cast off old prejudices,If reality contradicted them. I realize for most of these kids that meant giving up leftism, but i was born a reactionary, so for me it meant being more honest about cherished ideas like capitalism and democracy.I had to admit and HBD was contributing the evidence that both were not in practice what I insisted they were.Unlike evolution they run on top. while its fine to admire their mechanics for evolutionary similarity, They need maintenance.Even if the maintenance is keeping them free of debri.

    Democracy needs to be fixed not discarded.First because we will simply never be allowed to do away with it and subject white men to serf status again. Second because its not a bad idea in theory, it doesnt propose to do away with hierarchy only to apply meritocracy to the selection process.The fact that the commies have pwnd it is no more significant than that they have pwnd religion law culture capitalism etc.Third because the Cathedral is supposed by us to by a system by which democracy is bypassed while leaving the illusion in place, so whats the problem? Thats actually brilliant if youre an anti democrat, just seize the cathedral and rule as you please leaving the proles to believe they made those brilliant decisions; if the proles can live with bad decisions how much better they will tolerate good governance.The only real objection thats not aesthetic, is that the commies and others (mostly “capitalists”) have found ways to pwn it..Most of those ways derive from owning the cathedral. But a few simple changes that I think would be tolerated by white men would short circuit that. almost all leftism is bought with debt, there simply is not enough produced to by the votes needed to further leftism. outlawing government debt alone might do the trick. Imagine the farthest left elite having to actually choose between the sensible things they need and the projects they would like to flatter themselves for supporting and you watch leftism die quickly. I think killer apes are fair minded enough to adjust to a voting franchise that is based on net tax contributions. It is not fair to vote to spend other peoples tax contributions, the IRS could issue ballots based on net tax payer status. eventually women should be returned to their biological status and all ethnic people given their own autonomous state.

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  • Orthodox Says:

    Speaking of capitalism defecting from democracy, this is hilarious and on topic:

    Powerball To Dump Illinois Over “Lack Of Budget”

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  • Dividualist Says:

    Nick, the easiest way to kill capitalism for good is crony capitalism. If there is a version of Thiel in Ukraine, he is thinking hard about how to steal a lot of money from the government. China is a culture inclided to this, that is why they tend to award this with a firing squad. It is not particularly hard for the US to go down this read. Capitalism can be buried fairly easily rather forever that way.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    Well, if you define capitalism as “private ownership of the means of production” then you can hardly kill it, and almost everything ends up being capitalism. If you define capitalism as “laissez-faire, laissez-passer” then it has already been dead for a long time.

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  • Mark Says:

    Great article!

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  • Dividualist Says:

    @Nick you probably don’t care much for Karl Polanyi’s Great Transformation, but this blog seems take a view of it that sounds incredibily relevant to your thought: https://samzdat.com/2017/06/01/the-meridian-of-her-greatness/

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    Polanyi was wrong, both about history (archaeological evidence shows extensive trading networks among prehistoric foragers, and also long-distance trade in the Paleolithic age and later in ancient Mediterranean) and about the nature of Industrial Revolution (Europe was suffering awful overpopulation for the contemporary productivity levels, and Industrial Revolution prevented Malthusian catastrophe).

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  • Dividualist Says:

    @Michael

    RTFA.

    The linked article is precisely about understanding Polanyi on a deeper level. My summary: it is the job market that is the truly new, 19th century invention, not trading. Blowing up the rigid social structures that used to limit what and where you work. The issue is, people rather like those rigid social structures. It is not about making workers materially worse off, the article explicitly points out that Polanyi was well aware how workers were materially better off, it is about the psychological need for those old communities. Which are not compatible with a modern job market. Polanyi was not even a big fan of welfare and other leftish stuff, according to the article, considering them a rather superficial way to placate workers who were angry for fundamentally other reasons, namely losing their old community.

    According to the article Polanyi argued that before the job market the market was part of society, and with the invention of the job market society became part of the market and the market began to live a life on its own cutting its chains from society. And that sounds incredibly Nick Land-esque except that Nick considers this a good thing.

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    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    No, historically speaking job market, like trade itself wasn’t a new phenomenon. Also, there were NO communities that were blown up. Labor force that fueled industrial revolution were those who were *already* outside the existing social structures. Rural overpopulation has produced enormous amounts of “excess” people in the 18th century. Until the industrial revolution all these people were forced to become beggars, thieves, bandits, and highwaymen. In Ancien Régime France, for example, third of the country’s population were this wandering “excess” people.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    That combined with the new technology of the ox-powered Iron Plow made genocide attractive for the Jacobins then and our post-Communist Capitalist overlords now…

    And what happened in the Vendee wasn’t terror it was genocide. Up to 500,000. The Vendee isn’t that large in terms of territory or people. Note they were Monarchists and pro-Aristocrat as their Aristocrats stuck with them and their ancient duties despite Louis 14ths centralization.

    ‘In Ancien Régime France, for example, third of the country’s population were this wandering “excess” people.’

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    umpaloompa Reply:

    I’ll be damned, someone who actually knows some history? On Nick’s blog? Miracles can happen.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    The larger point about Polanyi is what is of value, why is capitalism a good.What is my self interest? We begin by realizing capitalism’s ability to more efficiently increase productivity. But what else does that do what is the side effect of capitalism, no before you start calling me a socialist fuck the poor. what does it do to us winners. If you are under 50 dont even bother guessing you have no perspective you are born into a place those old enough can look back at what was traded.No before you call me a socialist Im not at this time proposing to do away with capitalism im proposing to be honest about its hidden costs. Unlike nick land I value capitalism for how it benefits me and mine.To me all the NRX etc questions are about how me and mine might live better be happier. Nick seems concerned with the purity of the systems he admires and is fine with the end of humankind as long as his program is bug free in perpetuity. That retarded of course so he justifies it by saying its inevitable. I spent the last three weeks rebuilding one of my hydroelectric systems deep in the rocky mountains it was incredibly hard work and I hadnt been as happy in years.wealth is nice but its constricting us to a way of life that does not make us so much happy as glad we are not poor.I dont know enough about how this happens or economics to say what could be done to make capitalism serve us more holistically. But i can say confidently I will get no satisfaction from Lands paperclipper. Well maybe perhaps if it could be contained in some sort of quantum cage to admire as machine perhaps, I like machines like I like puzzles and games, but they are not life do not give me the same satisfactions as people and nature

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  • grey enlightenment Says:

    An argument is that democracy leads to socialism, which is antithetical to capitalism. But certain types of socialist policy can also help capitalism, in some respects. Hard to know.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Its a fair argument democracy can lead or rather be used to get to socialism as christianity has been used to get to socialism.theres probably an argument that democracy prevented socialism.I think we have to get more clear on what we mean by capitalism democracy etc marx didnt write the magna carta or found the roman or greek republics. and what is capitalism vs corporatism. and what do we like about capitalism? amazon bought whole foods today groceries will get cheaper they say. will we eat more enjoyably than the socialist french? when capitalism changes what i want until my children no longer know what an apple really tastes like so can ot use their invisible hands to demand one is capitalism serving me or is capitalism serving something else? We “reactionaries” are conservatives no?what do we wish to conserve? Im almost sixty and I dont think i am even able to know clearly. The other day I thought how rare a man of character is these days, so rare even someone of my age would only recognize it when we saw it but likely could not easily describe it without being trite.We can blame the left for everything if it makes us feel better but I suspect if we were fair and perceptive we would have to blame capitalism for a lot of what we have forgotten we wanted. Does this mean capitalism is not necessarily a right aligned mechanism?Land seems to be asking if thats the case. I seem to be saying depending on the definition of left and right we are certainly seeing an increasingly left capitalist alliance over the past 50 years

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    A.B. Prosper Reply:

    Capitalism leads to Oligarchy or Rent seeking which are fundamentally the same as Communism

    Its an inherently untenable destabilizing ideology unless harnessed tightly the social good and a sound hierarchical system .

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Michael said

    It seems high IQ and idle handls are the devils workshop.

    You can say that again.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    That’s why proper philosophy is with the hands.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    and the aristocracy was expected to be the martial class and landed class

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  • Claire Colebrook Says:

    Speaking of what happened in the Vendée:

    “There is no more Vendée,” General Westermann wrote to the Convention in December 1793, after his victory in Savenay.

    “It died under our sabre along with its women and children. I have just buried it in the swamps and woods of Savenay. I have crushed the children under the hooves of our horses, massacred the women — they, at least, will not give birth to any more brigands. I have not even one prisoner to reproach myself for. I have exterminated everyone. . . . We take no prisoners, for we would have to give them the bread of liberty, and pity is not revolutionary.”

    A few months later, Westermann was to be executed with the Dantonists, blackened with the name of “The Indulgents.”

    Shortly before the insurrection of 10 August 1792, an officer of the Swiss Guards, the last remaining defenders of the person of the monarch, wrote a letter sincerely expressing the sentiments of his comrades:

    “All of us have said that if any harm came to the king, and there were not at least 600 red coats lying at the foot of the king’s stairway, we would be dishonoured.”

    A little more than 600 guards were finally killed when the same Westermann who had first tried to neutralize the soldiers, by advancing alone among them on the king’s stairway and speaking to them in German, understood that there was nothing left to do but launch the attack.”

    (From Guy Debord’s Panegyric, Volume I, July 1989)

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  • Error Mark Says:

    @collen ryan

    On the spectrum of left and right with respect to specific economic policy, capitalism as a system of general adherence to private property and generally free exchange is effectively neutral. Only radically far left collectivization efforts, ones that have proven socially unstable, are capable of upsetting the apple-cart. What you observe from elite capitalist and communists, why the two are so often tandem these days, is simply the elite moving towards what they believe to be a more stable Schelling Point for their own interests.

    It is in the interest of the presently elite to foster many barrier to elite status. Fecundity of both biology and status is important as downward mobility is one of the most prescient concerns of an elite family hemmed in by upwardly mobile strivers and the downward pressure of mean regression. The best weapon in both cases is the lower quartile. Promoting the status of the low in order to crowd out in the middle has the dual effect of hampering upward mobility and ensuring a feedback loop of lower quartile fecundity.

    Mass immigration is simply the latest iteration on this general theme. Literal demographic warfare that politically neutralizes the middle has become the Bizmark of the elite’s fleet of status protection. I chose that name because I also think it clear that this decision represents a retarding of the time horizon of the elite. For by the time the demographic bomb detonates, in one or two decade hence, the full ramifications of this incredibly expensive gamble will likely prove foolhardy.

    The elite of both capitalist and communist stripes have long used, as you mentioned, culture as a lower level conflict meant to grab higher level economic and political ground for themselves. But only a few epochs in history recount a time when the base level, demographics, were used to cement a high level position and thus far I have yet to come across a situation in which that turned out for the ultimate benefit of said elite. Defection from the camp to factionalism is almost certain to occur given the tidal pull of demographics is simply too strong to be corralled by the, now mastered, organs of media and pop politics.

    I sense a great deal of commonality between our viewpoints; however, I will note this about your musing on governance: I hold a great deal of skepticism that democracy or meritocratic reform is possible. First and foremost because I observe that every political system from despotism to democracy is an informal system of allegiance to the most coordinated elites. Secondly, and in relation to the first, the nature of reform and revolution bids that some elite or would-be elite with sufficient power exercise that power to cement such a thing. If it is the case that such an iteration on “democracy,” occurs, I would have to suspect that it was simply a charade behind which a changing of minds, if not a changing of the elite guard as such, was occurring.

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    Its not that I dont get and give some weight to MM democracy critique but the only solutions from his acolytes ar a return to monarchy too fucking stupid to discuss and this patch ceo. The argument is they would take a longer term view of their looting. First I find it impossible to believe either could ever be implemented AI rule is more likely Christ returning to rule is more likely. an ethno state is infinitely more likely
    I have seen some things that have already made me wonder if elites are changing their minds or some at least.
    I think MMs idea of using capitalism to solve a genetic problem is wrong, the problem is self interest has a shorter time frame than social interest and they often conflict.Using just another type of readily exchangeable power wealth wont change that. Also I cant help but notice the problem we say we wish to fix leftism and its side effects highly correlates with the supposed solution capitalism,that capitalism does not conserve its destroys and the conservatives of your underestood this well. If leftism inevitably devours itself I cant help wonder if capitalism brings leftism with it and the maxim is capitalism inevitably devours itself.I understand this might trigger, but we want truth no? are we capitalists or conservatives,do we think they are interchangeable? which if we must choose? Remember we are saying we lose leftism when we lose capitalism. Obviously we would lose neither entirely, they are both written into our DNA. But if we are trying to eradicate leftism because it destroys culture etc ultimately life itself or because it feeds on capitalism. although I was once a knee jerk Randian capitalist I have been asking myself lately why do I love capitalism, is it for itself a beautiful machine or because it serves me. For me although I love machines Its because it serves me. But what is this me project I want to finance? For me its pretty western civilization and its people. Oh sure I would love to manage them better and have thought leftism was the problem. But what if its CapSoc thats the problem?Are they one thing? I know it sounds absurd from the perspective I have always held but they arose together they seem only to be found together.Its nice to think cap could somehow shake soc but Land seems to think only post human and well thats absurd but probably true, cap reduces the need for people while increasing the number of people. .

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    every political system from despotism to democracy is an informal system of allegiance to the most coordinated elites.

    This comment is so good.

    BTW ▬» [steve carell1 year ago]
    this is the type of music that transhumans will be listening to in a digital space ruled by the virtual messsiah »

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  • umpaloompa Says:

    >Neither Land nor Swarm are libertarian or anti-authoritarian in any way. That’s their public persona and ethos they try to rhetorically project to their chosen audience when kairos warrants it.
    Careful now, Nick doesn’t like people who notice.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Do I see something more horrible than Land does? “To rule is worth ambition though in hell,”

    The only thing I can think of is my pessimism that our current euro DNA can run a sustainable civilization and that the technology to safely alter it is eons away,safely being operative. But I think Lands transhumanism implies this.Or least it could care less.Frankly I dont understand that position, even if I thought we faced almost insurmountable odds I would focus my talents on at least trying to survive.If you believe in Gnon you have a duty to give it a go no matter what you may think the odds are, accidents happen.The lower races I do think can revert to authoritarianism,I even think we could but not for long.Im pretty hard on Land because he seems a self hater like the elites, oh like them he tries to cover it with BS about how elite the elites are. Hes either a commie still or actually would rather mankind were wiped out or put into slavery by machines.He got a lot of spergs tied up in circular logic, they cant escape by questioning the values because they dont have any they simply want the sum to square.I cant seem to question authoritarianism by genetics or profit and not be understood to be thought to be a leftist, which is pretty funny given my history.I think its pretty clear good kings were far and few between,changing them was disruptive, and the more complex their societies the less they truly ruled personally, and i dont think they ever ruled absolutely anyway at least in the west. Rule by profit motive moldbugs idea is actually a bit more practical in as much he says there would be a board of directors and shareholders. He claims those would be those who already actually own levers of power in the patch. I have repeatedly said a really careful assessment of who owns a patch would reveal that even that idaho farm boy on the nuclear sub protecting lord Bezos container ships has a small share, so in MM patch that farmboy gets to vote his one share -see where this is going? You dont own what you cant defend.and Musk as much as I admire the corporate welfare empire hes built he couldnt have built it in south africa.Does this make me a demotists? I dont think so. The e5 on the sub doesnt get to tell the admiral what he thinks, he knows and accepts this.he understands if nature has indeed bequeathed him an ability equal to the admirals the only sensible way to prove his worth is the meritocratic system. Now if he knows the admirable or bezos inherited their titles and the system doesnt consider merit he will be more likely to not bother with proving himself.He and some mates may instead prove to Bezos you dont own what you cant defend.Their is a curve where intelligence can be overwhelmed in the game of violence by sheer numbers.The people are always sovereign.Best to live with that reality.So what do you do with a people thats sovereign that you wish to rule for their benefit and yours.There are a lot of sensible ways to handle this little problem. first they are easy to please, a little respect,a job and family is about all it takes. Also you can cultivate them so they find it difficult to discern who is elite and who is not, note the left like to do the opposite, even importing apes.

    But this is a good post with the capitalist angle to think about moldbugs idea of patch CEOs;.The idea which I liked at first is that there is already a financial motivation in ruling. It doesnt adress if this is inevitable or a good thing, but he does seem to notice its also about power by getting into the holiness signalling which is a staus instinct, and i suppose he assumes wealth and power are interchangable.Thats a bit dubious since the commies are buying nooses from capitalists at insider prices in the current system.but for arguments sake Ill concede everyone has a price.

    Do we really want to organize humanity on the profit motive?Yes its appealing to our spergy desire to square everything. As I asked in one of the comments above is capitalism really giving us what we want or telling us what to want?As the generations click by we no longer even have the cultural memory to know of what we might have had let alone be able to still have it.I like capitalism in the old schools sense of it, but Land is right about this accelerationist aspect of whats happening.We like to blame leftism for the changes we dont like and associate capitalism with the right forces.capitalism is not conservative its destructive right?progressive anyone?what force is really changing the world in ways we dont like? No Im not being crypto leftist just noticing, that we are mixing metaphores, are confused about our mission, what are we. conservatives? anti communists? So some reactionaries who for a time called themselves HRX (heroic) I think got on to this you can see it in the art at hestia.Unfortunately I think monarchy appeals aesthetically to those that would notice this, and they are still fond of making a cult of MM.

    What worries you, about these proles? They are harmless, you get the definition of them is their cog level, anyone who could use them would by definition be a cog elite.The proles are a necessary part of the national organism, you may prefer your hands to your feet but you need your feet. we need proles they perform a lot of vital services.Turning them into animals is a bad idea its what the cathedral is doing.100 is not a bad IQ and that with 40% niggers some western nations have as high IQ as east asians and it wont be hard to improve if we put our minds to it. They will vote as they are advised to vote just as they do now, unless you really begin to abuse them as they now are doing. Elites are the problem. They must be much more carefully managed, this was the point of cultural institutions to contain the ambitions of bright elites and channel them into useful service.In a meritocracy its a bigger challenge more aristocrats.The cathedrals proving it can still be done.The cathedrals brilliant just misdirected.

    I too like neat solutions I get a wealth incentive seems neat and wealth / corruption has always been a challenge to all forms of government. But understand youre telling yourself your mission is to organize humankind or at least eurokind but you have reduced them to the profit interests of a few thats not the same thing you have one motivations attempting to accomplish an entirely different objective.Or do you like land beleive profit is all man amounts to? didnt marx think something like this we were all economic units? This only makes sense if the actual entire span of human aspiration is available for sale from capital, where can i buy a nation that looks like 1897 vienna? Instead I get portlandia bearded freaks.Capitalism may be good at discovering the price I dont think it can do more than reduce humanity to animals.

    Imagine your ideal town city nation ask yourself is a ceo looking to make enough trillions to buy a viennese replica state going to produce that place for you or is he going to hook humanity up to a matrix fed of pornography and vicodin to achieve his goal. Yes your plan would look like just another of stalin five year horrors in 100 years, and guess what the people may be horrible in their walmart stretch pants and tatoos in their niggerized state but even they get that they get where this is heading the elite dont. Land does and he thinks its neat. Proles in my lifetime were not too fat to walk down the aisles of a grocery store, they watched lassie not the niggers on reality TV they worked hard complained little and raised many great generations of elites.

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    Hegemonizing Swarm Reply:

    > Do we really want to organize humanity on the profit motive?Yes its appealing to our spergy desire to square everything.

    Do we really want that? I don’t know.
    But what accelerationism poses is that it’s out of control. And things are inevitably happening, despite what we want.
    That small scale decisions people make, on a large scale, have the emergent property of organizing humanity on a profit motive.

    If this is the case, is humanity engineerable enough to change this? Isn’t the 5-year plan mass death horror that you’re afraid of, the result when the gap between intent and consequences, between desire and knowing how to accomplish something, turns out to be too wide?

    I think this is what leftists, but government types in general get wrong. They can’t make everything happen by just drafting up laws that say it is. E.g. they like to live in an equal society, so they draft laws that say everyone is equal. The realization hurts when this won’t bring back the homogeneous society where everyone pulled equal weight, which they so much loved.

    Maybe the world has become too complex for human agency through straightforward politics, certainly of the feel-good kind. Or maybe it always was and we just didn’t notice for lack of information.

    > I would focus my talents on at least trying to survive

    Of course you are trying to survive. Everyone is. Besides a few people in voluntary mass extinction, but even for them it’s unclear (why do they still live?).

    > He and some mates may instead prove to Bezos you dont own what you cant defend.

    To be fair, we already have that issue. There’s no (perfect) defense against nukes, only further escalation. If you take your argumentation forward, no one owns anything since the cold war.

    If anything nukes are the perfect asymmetrical weapon: a push of a button by one person can end “sheer numbers”. However they are difficult to build, require a lot of maintenance, require complex control systems. Who is more likely to have this button, lord Bezos or a random farmer? It’s the last thing that will act as an equalizer, I’m afraid.

    > There are a lot of sensible ways to handle this little problem. first they are easy to please, a little respect,a job and family is about all it takes.

    Everyone wants the people they care about respected. The only difference is who gets to be in this group. The more right-oriented care about their immediate family and circles, sometimes those why are similar enough. The more left-oriented try to expand the sphere to encompass humanity, sometimes even all living things.

    But sure, no matter what, it’s likely that the people that control nuclear weapons will continue to be respected.

    > But understand youre telling yourself your mission is to organize humankind or at least eurokind

    I’m lost here – does Land ever claim that his mission is to organize humankind?
    From what I gather he seems to admire mostly a form of tribalism, of groups splitting off and speciating when it’s better to split off. In this case, democracy from capitalism. Then studying the interaction between these groups. I don’t remember him writing about “organizing humankind” on universalist ethics that isn’t emergent from “the nature of the beast” itself.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    > But understand youre telling yourself your mission is to organize humankind or at least eurokind

    I’m lost here-

    My point is more moldbugs patch followers generally.Im trying to say that I assume what we in reaction are trying to do is fix social organization of humans. Part of that is denying some things are fixable and are rather fixed, never the less what are we doing in this movement if not trying to solve something? Patchwork asserts profit motive will lead to better human organization. I think thats pretty stupid.It might solve the problem of economic corruption in human organization, but thats not the whole of the problem.Thats using a hammer because thats the only tool you know how to use.I like capitalism for a lot of things, building culture is not one of them. I think I made that point. capitalism runs on top of culture. culture is either part of biology or in a feedback loop with biology so it is more basic to its parts like capitalism.Heres another way of putting it, moldbug is trying to solve the problem that profit motive in human organization has caused by what legalizing it?Oh he prefers formalizing. The thing is profit is a means to an end.And just because say drugs are now legal it wont make them less destructive.Moldbug seems to think that these profit incentivized patchlords will compete for the best governance because they will understand that the best governance is in the long run the most profitable.
    Where to even start on that. First citation please. one of the structural problems with capitalism is capitalists tend to favor short over long term rewards, just look what they have done to the usa.Alao I want a citation on where the correlation is between profit and whats good for human kind.This is why Im asking what it is we conservatives think we must conserve, what is it we value, does capitalism offer us what we want or constrict our choices to what it can offer?The ideal human organization may not in fact be the most profitable. wtf makes us so sure it would be? I think perhaps we are being a bit knee jerk about defending capitalism and making it more than it is.I think a lot of what ails us is a result of capitalism not socialism maybe even most. Im only vaguely familiar with accelerationism but I think it agrees with this backhandedly, but like their AI co conspirator claims its futile because inevitable.I dont buy inevitable, nothings inevitable.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I set up my survival back in 1990 in the rocky mountains just got back from rebuilding one of my hydroelectric systems.

    England had the british navy it wasnt any good against yankees in the woods, they had a better army too but armys wear out welcomes quickly so Washington just hid out in the woods until the pro revolution tranch went from like 10% to 60%. I dont think USG can use those nukes against anything less than another’s launch.Certainly they cant use it against racists and trolls or even militias.What they do have is control of just about everything else but its not clear how everything else is going to evolve from here on out.So they are ramping up surveilance and intimidation and controlling communication that should be the focus of counter cathedralites. In a sense states have never had less control over their people and that is a result of the fact that when they had almost total control over them it still proved inadequate.

    Your examples of what leftists want I think is important much of what they want is on some level appealing to the core code in humans, denying this is no better denying niggers are stupid.Apes have a sense of fairness, a degree of troop solidarity etc yes apes and we have other instincts that seem to counter. lets get to the bottom of these instincts understand how they can and have been triggered and or repurposed over time and if and how they can be worked with without resorting to dysgenic schemes.This goes to my pessi=mism of whether we even can design a new organization for euro apes, until we can reliably and safely redo our dna which might be never.It also goes to my point that I doubt capitalism is THE answer.

    its true Im sentimental about my not so close relatives (euromen) I actually like them oh sure i am a misanthrope too, but I have to admit on the whole they have done some things (western civilization) that gives me pleasure. so on a gut level Im going to defend them against the cathedrals nigger army and Lands robot army. But I also actually think the only way I survive is if they survive and continue to rule, I think an ethnostate if not an ethno planet is the only way to assure this. But I also think we need to pull together as a people like a family, well not a modern family.You may notice I favor more organic approaches to human organization, thats because I assume we are wired for those organizations and experiments we are not wired for.Im not a WN per se, But I have come to believe like trump in a way they are idiot savants.Im only half vulcan.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I set up my survival back in 1990 in the rocky mountains just got back from rebuilding one of my hydroelectric systems.

    Is there anyone whud use it but you?

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I mean I bet there is, just wondering the scale of your hideout plans

    Wagner Reply:

    Erikson, let’s backstab Mike and take his fort and food. Life is all about power and survival so why not? Right Mike? Gnon isn’t really about God, it’s about nature. Gnonism is a devolution to the brute.

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    There will be post-Atheistic cults of fecundity

    Michael Rothblatt Reply:

    Meh, profit motive doesn’t matter. What matters is a free flow of prices. Prices are crucial. Why people do what they do, not so much. Value is subjective anyway.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Subjectivism is the value of death. You set prices by offering what you decide you want to pay. If you decide you only buy quality meat, and you do that, such as from the one business that offers that in your area, and you are a large scale buyer, you might have visible effects on prices. It’s not will-to-power it’s will-to-price.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Prices for what? Prices for what one must have are irrelevant, prices for what only is available have no bearing on the value of what one actually needs.

    Price discovery is good information for a consumer shopping for something or an entrepreneur thinking looking for opportunity, it kind of sucks for all but one of the current producers.This is the good of capitalism.It presents producers with the prisoners dilemma. And like district attorneys it often require various intrigues to work.

    But what else happens? what type of products tend to ascend and how do they affect human kind? The incentive of the producers to betray the cartel and thus benefit society is profit-thats the engine fuel. Price discovery is the purpose of the machine.But what else does the machine do? Cars were an invention with the purpose of better transportation, what effect did that have on humanity? It was more effect than cutting the time and cost of moving.

    Survival is the real game, so yes we make choices we think or instinct will further that goal, but we have ggotten very complex and those choices can seem only obscurely connected to survival perhaps even they are counter survival because instincts are being triggered by environments that they were not designed for.In any case ts cute to imagine these choices fight or flight are economic decisions there are certainly parallels and overlaps, but the choices capitalists offer us are more synthetic, dare I say it here capitalism is more the matrix than socialism, But in fairness socialism is really just another offering of capitalism like pornography. Yes trade is part of our instincts so is cooperation, the problem with socialism is its a bad trade not that trade is bad.Capitalism (trade) offers other bad trades. Before I go further I hope we all agree socialism is not a bad trade for all parties. Pornography is a bad trade for some parties and a really great business model for the matrix,Political professional wrestling is a bad trade for the consumers and great for the producers,Do I have to list more capitalist enterprizes that are quite profitable for some but not others?If we deify capitalism even base our state on it we will get not better stattes just cheaper porn. Now if you are a cathedral type this may be just fine your goal is to rule the people as thoroughly as possible so you could care less what capitalists do to the people that furthers your agenda. Maybe if youre a sperg who only want to square the sum you dont care either in fact you would be fine with an actual matrix feeding your AI. But if youre a euroman a conservative in the pre neocon sewnse a reactionary etc then you care about the people and culture of western civiliztion, if you think AI or capitalist accelerationism is such a threat and almost inevitable you do your utmost to vanquish that threat. What kind of fucking men embrace their death?

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    collen ryan Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA96Kf30TQU

    Jordan Peterson wondering if men were selected for production and women for distribution

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    The Resident Evil aka. Biohazard games are prophetic. I am Umbrella

    I am the resident evil. I am the biohazard. ublished on Dec 15, 2012

    Nukulus Films presents « Bio Apocalypse »

    /youtu.be/pu91WyjDJR0

    Midnight-Blue76611 months ago
    Much to Calvin’s suprise, Miss Wormwood not only gave him an F, but also requested a Parent-Teacher conference.

    “The organism feeds on itself, because there is no other food-source.”

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    michael said

    jibes with the last 200 year push towards global demotism from both “sides”

    Indeed, well phrased & so it was foretold.

    ◙▬» The following extract from the “Vishnu Purana” will give an idea of the evils of the present age, which Kalki is to remove.
    “In Magadha, a sovereign named Vishwasphatika will extirpate the Kshatriya race, elevate fishermen, barbarians, Bramhans, and other castes to power; whilst Sudras, outcasts and barbarians will be the masters of the Indus, Darvika, Chandrabhaga, and Kashmir.

    The Kings will be of churlish spirit, violent temper, and even addicted to falsehood and wickedness. They will inflict death on women, children and cows; they will seize the property of subjects, be of limited power and will, for the most part, rapidly rise and fall; their lives will be short, their desire insatiable, and they will display but little piety. The people of various countries intermingling with them will follow their example; and the barbarians being powerful in the patronage of princes, whilst purer tribes are neglected, the people will perish. »

    Curiously Jesus is an elevator of fishermen. His symbol is the fish.

    Certainly barbarians, “brahmin,” and Sudras are not masters. They are now in Power.

    Inflicting death upon women, children and cows is taking place in Kali Yuga India, as modern slave-trade, e.g., and other rabble such as Islamists have done to the Yazidis, e.g.

    Purer tribes are neglected, such as the Yazidis. People are perishing, genetically.

    ‘People of various countries intermingling with them.’

    Kali-yuga

    ▬» Lecture on SB 1.8.18 — Mayapura, September 28, 1974:
    That is the desire of Kṛṣṇa, or God, that the state executive head should be as pious as Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira. That is the scheme. Unfortunately, people do not want that. They have now discovered this democracy. Democracy… “Demon cracy.” Shortcut of “demon cracy” is “democracy.” All the demons and rogues, they gather together, somehow or other votes, and occupy the seat, and the business is plundering. The business is plundering. If we talk very much upon this, it will not be very favorable, but according to śāstra… We, we talk according to śāstra, that the democracy means assembly of rogues and plunderers. That is the statement in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Dasyu-dharmabhiḥ. The government men will be all dasyu. Dasyu means plunderer. Not pickpocket. Pickpocket, somehow or other, if you do not understand, takes something from your pocket, and the plunderer, or the dasyu, he catches you and by force, “If you don’t spare your money, I shall kill you.” They are called dasyu. »

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @do they have six way blades yet in iceland?

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I don’t know, as I am yet new to the art (altho it is in my blood). I always wanted to drive a tank

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Being playful,a six way blade Im sure is what you have they tilt up down forward backward and left right allowing the blade to cut at angles other than the ground the cat is crawling over. Get yourself an excavator then youll be really having some fun.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    This is my niggah → https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i13HCzuKg4

    Wagner Reply:

    @do they have six way blondes yet in iceland?

    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yes, since the sstart.

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  • Rohme Says:

    This blog proves its healthy to give Internet access to mental patients.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I don’t think it does. I think people here are rather conscientious and sane compared to the global average. People throw trash everywhere. I don’t think the average commentator here is that type. India is filled with trash. Urbane westerners throw trash everywhere.

    Urbane westerners are dying. They’re being replaced by neo-westerners. You think that’s sane?

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    Rohme Reply:

    Littering is a perfect example. You want someone to pick up their trash, you have to make them pick up their trash. Moral shaming doesn’t work. Trying to justify its right not to litter is purposeless.

    The comments are, much of the time, town hall meetings on getting folks to pick up their trash.

    Colleen wants women back in their ‘biological place’. Well, that requires nothing less than the scold’s bridle, or some contemporary version of that, does it not?

    Look at the Potsdam Declaration. Part of the Japan’s unconditional surrender was that democracy would be the law of the land.

    If nuclear bombs were used for democracy, how dangerous does that make democracy?

    People here are trying to make ‘justifications’ to replace a system that is backed by force.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yes, but even tears in the rain are worth. Obviously “democracy” is not sustainable, and we foresee the end of it — so what we say here may have more immediate effect. Also, it’s on the Internet so it might have effect centuries later. I mean that it is published. E.g. Nietzsche wasn’t world-famous the day after his first book.

    Sanity and cleanliness are famously related. Altho some confuse pseudoclean with the latter.

    Sanitarium is a great place for this name. I mean for name for this place.

    lol

    We’re quite sane here, it’s those who put Utopianism against Life that are not. It’s those who think « Sex & the City » is more important than studying child-rearing, who are cancer cells. There’s actually a great series about, as it were, this, now. It’s called « The Handmaid’s Tale ». Must see. Well thought out.

    We’re transhumanists, me and Land at least. We’re just not for random adaptation, which can easily mean adaptation to lower intelligence. Evolution is not linear, like a straight line. It’s more like a dubstep track.

    Tomislav Sunic posted interested things on lowered IQ in Soviet Union areas.

    Have you been to Berlin recently? It’s parks are covered in trash.

    They’re covered in Arabs, or neo-Arabs in fact. Neo-Germanarabs. And trash. It’s utterly amazing.

    ▬» Osbourne on 2017-05-04 at 06:26 said:
    Shankara outlines in his Vivekachudamani (Jewel of Discernment) the necessary preparatory work for reintegration. The prerequisites to the work necessary are the antitheses to what these self-styled neo-vedantin blabbermouths spew out. Foremost is the discrimination between the real and unreal. The unreal subsumes under itself all the preconceived intellectual formulations arbitrarily constructed without achieving the corresponding state. The end result is far from guaranteed. It’s not to be partaken of democratically. It’s clear that these neo-vedantins (better inverted-vedantins) understand nonduality as a form of monism where everything is the same and equal under the common denominator of being an illusion. No discernment is necessary, just repeating the same illusion mantra like pacman. All these inverted spiritualities are in full conformity to the modern capitalistic zeitgeist. Zizek said aptly that in a CocaCola advertisement when they say “That’s It”, the “It” refers to a transcendent surplus quality. However, when you leave a coke bottle on the beach for 40 minutes, you find that it tastes like the sh*t that it actually is. In a capitalistic/materialistic society, what is marketed as the transcendental is actually the excremental. From this angle, one wonders if it is not natural that one neo-vedantin guru called Adidam (quite a caricature character) was having his female bimbo disciples and wives of his male disciples defecating in the bed during the act of coitus under the pretext that this work was necessary to transcend the limitations of the individual non-existent ego. After all, everything is an illusion and no discernment is necessary. »

    I don’t agree though that Coke is shit. I think it’s brilliant shit.

    It was a bad example in an otherwise interesting post.

    collen ryan Reply:

    yes culture must be backed up by force but once its up and running culture does most of the work particularly if the “culture” is as it should be a penumbra of the biologic.

    There is some work on the biocultural differences between whites and yellows on shame and guilt.obviously niggers have neither and spics are at the level of my english springer spaniel (named nickland-that dog wont hunt)

    Ironically I don’t really want women back in their biologic place,(I tend to feed my dog from the table) I simply recognize even more than niggers women have been the problem, particularly in a democracy.I used to ask vainly if and how DENRX Patriarchy differed from Islamic patriarchy, did it correlate with some period/place in white civilization. Later i started asking if it wasnt true that euromen have always given their women elevated status in comparison to other races, that it might be one of,or related to several of the more obvious traits that set us apart.like individualism and openness. Of course you cant raise questions about the supposition here in the reality sphere without being assumed a leftist so this was taken as a argument in favor of.

    My points about understanding what “leftist” biology we might have within us, like my wanting to understand what capitalism has contributed to the collapse of western civilization is from a right perspective cognizant of the need to confront reality as it is not as I wish it. The cult of moldbug is really beginning to rot the brains around reaction. I am fine with genetically lobotomizing women into stepford wives and paying musk to do it but we must understand whats happening before acting.

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  • John Hannon Says:

    “Burn neoliberalism, not people” seems to be the lefty meme of the moment –

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/yes-grenfell-scandal-no-theresa-may-not-blood-hands/

    @ admin – how safe do you feel up there on the 23rd floor?

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    I would define LARP as Lucid Action Reproducing Power

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    ▬» The assumption that there’s a trade-off between security and liberty is a sign of fundamental non-seriousness about both. »

    so sayeth Nick Land, 11 Jun 2017. He’s right. Liberty is gained through security.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Yet, to continue with Mr. Giuliano — I used to say » Liberty is the mother of order, not the daughter. »

    They’re actually co-essential. You need the liberty to breathe, as an infant. You need the security of mothering. You cannot do without the other.

    This is the fundamental art. White man’s civilization. Individual liberty, filial security.

    East Asians know this too, to a lesser degree maybe.

    Produce things of life. Not death.

    Generation.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    THis non seriousness is the effect of it being discussed by faggots who couldn’t secure their liberty if their life depended upon it. So they imagine it as a negotiation between themselves and the schoolyard bully about how much of their security freedom and dignity they will be allowed. Negotiation is not really the right word but these fags are remembering the way they want to not how it was. Honor was one of Chestertons fences these faggots did not intuit the meaning of, but no civilization has long survived without the understanding of fates worse than death- Moldbug and Land are such faggots, they tell themselves they have calculated their chances of prevailing and the worth of their failing and realized it not worth the effort. They imagine themselves too valuable to simply be an example of honor, that the little [people can do that for them, while they write pamphlets about becoming worthy to rule.This is exactly the bacterium that infects a culture and turns it into a culture of death, a culture without meaning or honor. Of course this is the jews work,I never used to be an anti semite, I still am not a hater, but I cant help but notice everywhere i find the rot in my culture my nations I find the jew.

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Capitalism is older than Ancient Babylon; it has always been one of the more dominant features of human civilization.

    Hell yeah.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    You should read some books by actual capitalist rather than economists. They are infinitely more fun and interesting and give a more visceral understanding of capitalism.”Day traders” like myself have popularized them all again and they are in print,as well as new ones.The most colorful of all is Jesse livermore reminiscences of a stock operator- priceless except he paid with his life. The market wizards series is a great survey of the modernists. The battle for investment survival by Loeb. all the great financiers wrote or had their story told, They have as much application to life generally as to trading and investment I found.I have shelves of these guys.

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  • post-Landian post-nihilist Says:

    lol

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    its true Im sentimental about my not so close relatives (euromen) I actually like them oh sure i am a misanthrope too, but I have to admit on the whole they have done some things (western civilization) that gives me pleasure. so on a gut level Im going to defend them against the cathedrals nigger army and Lands robot army.

    ROFL

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @Rohme

    BIOCULTURAL this might be a good word for us.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    SJW- secular jewish woman kekekek

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Brilliant.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    apparently my assertion that even the Idaho Farm Boy, on the nuclear sub protecting Bezos container ships owns a share of USG. Is also held by Hoppe

    Hoppe notes that every American citizen has a share of our limited public wealth, from the gold in Fort Knox to our B-2 bombers to the vast federal land holdings. Each additional immigrant dilutes existing citizens’ shares of such wealth, and can only be justified if the value to society of the immigrant outweighs the dilution.

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe and others have noted the obvious, that free market economics are not inconsistent with tight control of borders and immigration once you consider economic externalities and quantifiable “frictional costs”.

    Im not sure of Hoppes claims about the pedigree of such ownership assertions, whether its a moral or more practical claim, knowing him as much as i do Ide bet its my claim, that that Farmboy is quite capable of asserting that claim by force if need be, and is owed that share by contract. The Bezos will always be at an advantage in those contracts and even in early phase force, but ultimately the people in white nations are sovereign.Fortunately for their subjects like Musk and Bezos they are a wise and beneficent slow to anger and just.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Just buy up land and don’t let any niggers on it.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    well I have done that, but they are moving to the nearest town along with the jews and browns, its only a trickle but they have already put in bicycle paths to lure in more lefties. whats a patchlord to do? Invade I suppose?What was that phrase Bush got the nazi pope to come up with? Preemptive defensive warfare !.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Buy the town

    Claire Colebrook Reply:

    Or put antipersonnel land mines on the bicycle paths, designed to rip off the lower half of the leg and project shoe, dirt and bone higher up into the leg, causing secondary infection and higher amputation.

    They are sold for as little as $3 each.

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  • Claire Colebrook Says:

    G. Eiríksson: “Just buy up land and don’t let any niggers on it.”

    That’s what the Bundy entourage tried to do, before the government sent in its nigger army to take over their ranchland.

    And they were held in solitary confinement for over a year

    When the four were found innocent despite a rigged trial, the government tased their lawyer and filed new charges to keep them in jail.

    And Ammon Bundy, after 13 hours naked in a cramped shower, got two dislocated shoulders. His supporters believe the government is trying to kill him.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    anarcho tyranny or any tyranny doesnt seem to work too long on white men. The jews will have to learn the hard way again.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    some WN did buy a tiny town in SD I think a handful of progs was able to find outside support and oust them. I think at best you can make life difficult for them as early as possible, the problem is these places are attractive because they have never experienced leftism which means they have no immunities, they think im nuts when I explain bike paths might as well be viet cong tunnels

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  • G. Eiríksson Says:

    Religion proper is not OCD. OCD is the demon of rites on hyperdrive

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Ni9ce machine!!

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  • post-Landian post-nihilist Says:

    yes culture must be backed up by force but once its up and running culture does most of the work particularly if the “culture” is as it should be a penumbra of the biologic.

    Yes this is true.

    Even though ‘bio’ is a bad thing for most of the Grey Tribe Fantasists.

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    G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Out of Life… the machine

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