Quote note (#365)

Immigration sense from Ben Sixsmith:

But what of proposed merits of open borders? A consistent failure of the Economist’s article is a reluctance to distinguish between different migrants. If one finds the study, it turns out that 54% of the men and women who expressed a desire to migrate came from Africa and the Middle East —with another 20% being from Central America. Yet the most successful immigrants, in terms of launching businesses and earning wealth, have been found to hail from Asia and Europe. A UCL study found that European immigrants to Britain contribute more to the economy than they take from it while the opposite is true for non European immigrants. It is senseless, then, to claim, as the author of The Economist article does, that immigrants are “more likely than the native-born to bring new ideas and start their own businesses”. Immigrants do not come from “Immigrantland”. Population differences related to entrepreneurial and earning potential are real, and significant, and difficult to bridge.

(Always discriminate more.)

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    The open Borders system is, effectively and strangely, an essential element of a so-called, Neocameralist, patchwork system; with commodity-personnel having free distribution to potential sites of employment. That ‘free distribution’, when in excess of any state boundary, is what neo-reactionaries call ‘exit’.

    In real terms, though, it matters not which positioning the political spectrum does the characterising, exploitation and slavery seem to be the result.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Should read; ‘Positioning of the political spectrum’

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    Imperial Energy Reply:

    “essential element of a so-called, Neocameralist”

    Nitpick:

    Contingent but not necessary (essential).

    Residents have the right of “exit” – assuming they are neither in debt or being pursued for potential crimes or violation of their contractual obligations.

    “exploitation and slavery.”

    You mean work and wages?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Right of exit, is essential and necessary; otherwise, no patchwork exchange of commodity personnel, undermining the very reason for the patchwork. So, you’re wrong, it’s essential to the notion of patchwork.
    Isolated and autonomous ideological islands that are radically incommensurable, would be so incommensurable as to vitiate, at a fundamental level, the very notion of a ‘patchwork’.
    Neoreaction offers the notion of patchwork as overarching ideology. That ‘overarch’, as it were, constitutes the rationale as well as the meaning of patchwork. Radical incommensurability would remove the very basis on which ‘patchwork’ actually appears as ‘patchwork’.
    A self-enclosed, radically incommensurable ‘patch’, would no longer be a ‘patch’.

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    Imperial Energy Reply:

    “Right of exit, is essential and necessary; otherwise, no patchwork exchange of commodity personnel, undermining the very reason for the patchwork. So, you’re wrong, it’s essential to the notion of patchwork.”

    Forgive us for our conceptual analysis. You are conflating a number of distinct concepts here and perhaps we have no explained the distinction between “exit” and “entry”.

    Firstly, you claimed it was essential of “neocameralism” then “patchwork” – these are two different things.

    In addition, the claim that “neoreaction” offers patchwork as an “overarching ideology” is subject to questioning. Most Nrx do not buy this and it is not clear how much Moldbug really invested in it.

    Nevertheless, the key distinction is between “exit” and “entry”. Exist does indeed appear to be the only “right”, but it is a right subject to one’s contractual obligations. You cannot murder someone in a patch and then try to escape justice with the plea of muh exit.

    Secondly, and most importantly, one can, logically speaking, affirm the right of exit but deny that anyone has any right to enter neocam patch A, B, C.

    In order to enter – gain entry – into a neocam patch, one would have to have permission and if one were to reside as a resident in that patch then one will have to sign a contract.

    By analogy, you can marry who you want, but that right does does not essentially and necessarily mean you can marry *this* girl.

    Hope this helps.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Imperial Energy] “You are conflating a number of distinct concepts here and perhaps we have no explained the distinction between “exit” and “entry”.”
    {AK}: Yes, I answered that point below, in another comment: “Entry conditions would be stipulated according to patch criteria. That’s not the point, though. Liberty is contingent on the right to exit.”
    [Imperial Energy] “Firstly, you claimed it was essential of “neocameralism” then “patchwork” – these are two different things.”
    {AK}: Okay, point taken. I’m not disputing that Neocameralism and patchwork are the same thing. But it cannot be denied that Neocameralism is the context that Neoreaction a la NL chooses to set for ‘patchwork’. The Neocameralist citing was merely in that associational context. So the point is not strictly relevant or applicable.
    I’d be happy to investigate the more general neo-reactionary variations on the theme, but I suspect they would all be as equally flawed in their conceptions.

    [Imperial Energy] “In addition, the claim that “neoreaction” offers patchwork as an “overarching ideology” is subject to questioning. Most Nrx do not buy this and it is not clear how much Moldbug really invested in it.”
    {AK}: Most neo-reactionaries would be committed to this or that ‘patch’ and its corresponding ideology. Nick Land’s idea, as far as I have discerned, is that ‘patchwork’ constitutes a hosting of all of those ideologies, in a free-for-all, Darwinian competition, conducted according to corporate discipline. There is no way that such a configuration can be offered as anything but ‘overarching’. In fact, it could be said, that its implementation would be redundant, because we are already living within that configuration. I’m not saying that’s true, but it would be a better argument than anything that near reaction has offered so far.

    [Imperial Energy] “Nevertheless, the key distinction is between “exit” and “entry”. Exist does indeed appear to be the only “right”, but it is a right subject to one’s contractual obligations. You cannot murder someone in a patch and then try to escape justice with the plea of muh exit.”
    {AK}: The issue that neo-reactionaries would have to face, given patchwork variations, would be corresponding variations in conceptions of justice, as driven by ideological variations. That’s an entire nest of trouble.
    [Imperial Energy] “Secondly, and most importantly, one can, logically speaking, affirm the right of exit but deny that anyone has any right to enter neocam patch A, B, C.
    In order to enter – gain entry – into a neocam patch, one would have to have permission and if one were to reside as a resident in that patch then one will have to sign a contract.
    By analogy, you can marry who you want, but that right does does not essentially and necessarily mean you can marry *this* girl.
    Hope this helps.”
    {AK}: Yes, I answered that point below, “Entry conditions would be stipulated according to patch criteria. That’s not the point, though. Liberty is contingent on the right to exit.”

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Imperial Energy] “You are conflating a number of distinct concepts here and perhaps we have no explained the distinction between “exit” and “entry”.”

    {AK}: Yes, I answered that point below, in another comment: “Entry conditions would be stipulated according to patch criteria. That’s not the point, though. Liberty is contingent on the right to exit.”

    [Imperial Energy] “Firstly, you claimed it was essential of “neocameralism” then “patchwork” – these are two different things.”

    {AK}: Okay, point taken. I’m not disputing that Neocameralism and patchwork are the same thing. But it cannot be denied that Neocameralism is the context that Neoreaction a la NL chooses to set for ‘patchwork’. The Neocameralist citing was merely in that associational context. So the point is not strictly relevant or applicable.
    I’d be happy to investigate the more general neo-reactionary variations on the theme, but I suspect they would all be as equally flawed in their conceptions.

    [Imperial Energy] “In addition, the claim that “neoreaction” offers patchwork as an “overarching ideology” is subject to questioning. Most Nrx do not buy this and it is not clear how much Moldbug really invested in it.”

    {AK}: Most neo-reactionaries would be committed to this or that ‘patch’ and its corresponding ideology. Nick Land’s idea, as far as I have discerned, is that ‘patchwork’ constitutes a hosting of all of those ideologies, in a free-for-all, Darwinian competition, conducted according to corporate discipline. There is no way that such a configuration can be offered as anything but ‘overarching’. In fact, it could be said, that its implementation would be redundant, because we are already living within that configuration. I’m not saying that’s true, but it would be a better argument than anything that near reaction has offered so far.

    [Imperial Energy] “Nevertheless, the key distinction is between “exit” and “entry”. Exist does indeed appear to be the only “right”, but it is a right subject to one’s contractual obligations. You cannot murder someone in a patch and then try to escape justice with the plea of muh exit.”

    {AK}: The issue that neo-reactionaries would have to face, given patchwork variations, would be corresponding variations in conceptions of justice, as driven by ideological variations. That’s an entire nest of trouble.

    [Imperial Energy] “Secondly, and most importantly, one can, logically speaking, affirm the right of exit but deny that anyone has any right to enter neocam patch A, B, C.
    In order to enter – gain entry – into a neocam patch, one would have to have permission and if one were to reside as a resident in that patch then one will have to sign a contract.
    By analogy, you can marry who you want, but that right does does not essentially and necessarily mean you can marry *this* girl.
    Hope this helps.”

    {AK}: Yes, I answered that point below, “Entry conditions would be stipulated according to patch criteria. That’s not the point, though. Liberty is contingent on the right to exit.”

    collen ryan Reply:

    No artxy exit is free entry is not. So you would still be at the mercy of an H1B1 visa and only make 60K and these new visas dont allow you to bring the whole filthy street shitting village with you. Because seriously why is Jewboy Patchlord going to pay a towel head more when he can have white for more

    NO DOGS OR WOGS ALLOWED

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Yes, that’s obvious. Entry conditions would be stipulated according to patch criteria. That’s not the point, though. Liberty is contingent on the right to exit.
    Realistically, no one would want to employ anyone with the profile and values of a terrorist, whatever their ethnicity. It would be too dangerous. I guess those people would have to create their own radically autonomous ‘patch’. It would be a ‘hate patch’, constantly agitating and terrorising its neighbours. I guess that’s where you’re going to be.

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    Imperial Energy Reply:

    “Yes, I answered that point below, “Entry conditions would be stipulated according to patch criteria. That’s not the point, though. Liberty is contingent on the right to exit.””

    Good, thanks. Thus, the conclusion that every state has “open borders” is one that does not follow from the premises.

    Now, you have shifted position and claimed that the key is that “liberty is contingent on the right to exit”.

    But perhaps the necessary condition of the right to exit is how powerful one is.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Imperial Energy] “Good, thanks. Thus, the conclusion that every state has “open borders” is one that does not follow from the premises.”

    {AK}: My statement was: “The open Borders system is, effectively and strangely, an essential element of a so-called, Neocameralist, patchwork system; with commodity-personnel having free distribution to potential sites of employment.”
    This means that individuals are free to distribute themselves over the system, wherever they might be required. In order for this freedom to obtain, the right to exit is a prerequisite, for all states of a patchwork system. So in terms of the right to exit, all borders have to be open. This is an essential element of a patchwork system as outlined by Nick Land, or at least that’s the impression that I have.
    It does not follow, that this universal right of exit is necessarily a universal right of invitation by every state, as well. I didn’t state that, but I understand that referring to an open borders system, especially in light of the originating article, could suggest that.

    [Imperial Energy] “Now, you have shifted position and claimed that the key is that “liberty is contingent on the right to exit”.”

    {AK}: As explained above, there has been no shift in position. The open borders system was explicitly, and all throughout, cited in terms of ‘exit’, not anything else.

    [Imperial Energy] “But perhaps the necessary condition of the right to exit is how powerful one is.”

    {AK}: No, that’s not a relevant consideration with regard to a patchwork system, given that the right to exit any particular state is supposedly one of the foundation conditions of that system, at least, as outlined by techno-commercial neo-reactionaries.
    The system is not any particular state. The system can be open, whilst individual states might not be. At least, that’s my understanding of it.

    vxcc2014 Reply:

    Artxell Knaphni is correct.
    Open Borders =Exit
    EU / USA are continental patchwork at work…

    We told you it would be anarchy.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    The right to exit is meaningless if there is no where to go. Its also pretty meaningless if the cost of moving is prohibitive. Moldberg and Land give some tech jews my state and Im supposed to up and leave my business family and social capital behind because the jews can Artx a third of what i would be worth before the USA went from being the nation of my people for my people to being given to some jews not even born here?
    Now i apply to live in some other jews Patch and you think he offers me a good deal or he takes advantage of the situation I am in a seerf without a fief. Whites are a tiny fraction of world population and we barely procreate there will always be an oversupply of even high IQ niggers a capitalist can hire cheaper. You think a patch jewlord wont sully his patch with high IQ niggers? look around you, Patches are not the solution they are the problem. The problem is capital does not give a shit about anything but short term profit, that can be a great way to keep the cost of widgets down, its no way to run a civilization. Even moldberg sees that elites defect from state alignment for greed legalizing this isnt going to make things better. besides its just a stupid sci fi larp

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  • collen ryan Says:

    So Nick one has to ask when you say

    “Immigration sense from Ben Sixsmith:”

    and then paste his

    “Yet the most successful immigrants, in terms of launching businesses and earning wealth, have been found to hail from Asia and Europe.”

    Do you mean the “from Asia” part as well?

    Because your


    (Always discriminate more.)”

    is as ambiguous.

    Do YOU think “the economy” is all that is important to consider for immigration visas?
    Do YOU think that a given economy’s short term benefit from say Asians might in the long term be destroyed by the same Asians unintended consequences?

    Because if youre just trying to right ratchet we get that, But youre getting awfully popular with a certain type of leftist.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Hiding in juvenile politicisations isn’t going to work. Neither is hiding in delusory self-imaging based on cloud cuckoo land insecure stupidity and bigotry.

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    Wagner Reply:

    The virgin Indian SJW vs. the chad North Korean escapee:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._K._Seung

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Its not cloud cuckoo it the fact that Indian americans score worse on wordsum than puerto ricans. That has the article shows the best immigrants are our own people, Asians are as tribal as Jews and will present the problems jews present on time a billion.and the fact that whites evolutionary path makes them the least suited as in its suicidal for multiculturalism. So you want multiculturalism do it in africa or china.In case you haven’t noticed that the consensus on the march this past decade.So enjoy your sci fi larp but this welfare hotel is closing.If you weren’t gay you could probably be a senator in India.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The word ‘open’, on its own, is unspecified as to the type, ‘direction’, or scope, of ‘openness’ that it indicates. Qualification is always necessary, whether explicitly through statement or implicitly through context.

    Try doing some basic logic or set theory, it might help you coordinate the shit in your head, to the point where you might actually begin to think, instead of merely regurgitating excremental opinions.

    The rest of what you’ve written is straw-clutching rubbish.

    Calls himself, ‘high trust’, but it’s only a ‘high trust’ until ‘defection’, and ‘defection’ happens for any reason or whim at all, the usual one being any situation where he isn’t getting more than everyone else. What a prat! Lol

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Uh year street shitter open is an open word unless qualified YOU are the one pretending it might mean without qualification open in only one direction. Of course that little oversight is what you want us all to overlook.
    Of course i trust my co ethnics to look out for their own interests its part of the high trust pact, i also expect they will play by the rules and not game the system. and if they do I trust my other co ethnics to help me draw and quarter them. Its not that different than the other apes just optimized enough to keep us from shitting in the street. You only need a slight edge. And its not like we dont get that even we will defect the entire point of moldbergs design in to make defection redundant for that matter the entire point of american enlightenment was mutual distrust. The americans were at least cognizant that such a experiment would require only european people and they would need a cultural moral force. The jews destroyed that first. Moldberg stupidly thinks capitalists wont destroy a nation they have title to, which is not even worth a thought.Capitalists will sell crack and porn exclusively if they could. They don’t worry about who they will sell crack to next year thats next years problem. Capital needs to be subordinated to the cultural which proceeds from the biological. You should like this Arty its got the faintest whiff of anti elitism. but only because its elites who defect from the nation because they are the only ones who easily can,
    Heres a novel idea any elite who defects from the nation is exiled for a time to an island of elite defectors there they can experience what life is like without the unwashed

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [collen ryan] “Uh year street shitter open is an open word unless qualified YOU are the one pretending it might mean without qualification open in only one direction. Of course that little oversight is what you want us all to overlook.”

    {AK}: I’ll spell it out for you.
    ‘Open’, as an open word when unqualified, can mean anything at all, its meaning is ‘open’. It ‘might mean’ anything, no pretence is required.
    It could be a noun, a verb, it’s reference could be anything.
    Do – you – understand – this?
    So yes, without qualification, it could mean ‘open’ in any number of directions, whether one or more.

    It’s precisely these different types of openness, and their corresponding closures, whose logic I was playing with. The irony of Neoreaction’s contradictory commitments; free exit, but selective entry; required the additional, differentiating distinctions between all the possible forms of ‘border openness’ concerned, in order to set the stage for the expression of that contradiction. Playing with the directionalitease (sic) of ‘free exit’, ‘selective entry’, and ‘free entry’; was just a way of figuring sarcastic irony as a prelude to the subsequent demonstrations. I guess you didn’t ‘get it’.

    So, I’ll spell it out for you, again.

    Neoreaction is committed to a logic of free exit; to a logic of selective entry; but not to a logic of free entry. But all these logics are innately connected if they belong to the same system, whether a patchwork system or not. The realisation of the logic of selective entry, which is a Neoreactionary commitment, results in the impossibility of the logic of free exit. So the two Neoreactionary commitments eventually contradict each other, at a systematic and global level.
    There is no way of getting around it, except by manipulating local variables, in various strategies of deferral, none of which can ultimately reverse the onset of no-exit entropy.

    Posted on December 30th, 2017 at 3:09 pm Reply | Quote
  • Imperial Energy Says:

    @

    “This is an essential element of a patchwork system as outlined by Nick Land, or at least that’s the impression that I have.
    It does not follow, that this universal right of exit is necessarily a universal right of invitation by every state, as well. I didn’t state that, but I understand that referring to an open borders system, especially in light of the originating article, could suggest that.”

    Yes, you have clarified and qualified what you have said a number of times and we are in agreement. It would probably be best if you did not use the term “open borders” – at least not without an explanation of your use of the concept and how it is not the “received” view of the concept.

    You bring up NL a good deal and his Tech-Comm. There is much to learn from NL here and Tech-Comm is fascinating and there is much to agree with that system; however, you should be careful of conflating it with neocameralism as described by MM, as there some sharp differences.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    No one owns the phrase ‘open borders’, it can be used in different ways. No one discursive standardisation fits all uses. Sensitivity to contexts can be helpful in this respect. But no one owns context, either. Received interpretations are not necessarily static. These are observations worth noting. It always helps to read precisely, not importing your own customary positivist assumptions, especially if you’re going to critique what I write.
    I’m not really that interested in Moldbug’s work. I think I looked at his blog, around four years ago, getting the impression that he had very little ability to actually think coherently.
    I’m sure there are lots of details and distinctions, ‘within’ the neo-reactionary corpus, I guess I should try not to neglect them. But the pleasure of dancing with those details I leave to the neo-reactionaries, there are energies en route, that no courtly shuffling can imperialise. Everyone is free to choose their priorities, but it is only to be expected that the vast majority elect the partisan steps of sociopolitical jiggery-pokery over any deeper discernment.

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    Imperial Energy Reply:

    “No one owns the phrase ‘open borders’, it can be used in different ways.”

    Indeed. Your use of the term gave the impression that it was being used in the received sense, especially when you also described it as a “system”. You also said “strangely”. All this clearly implies that you assume that the current “system” is logically mandated by neocameralism/neoreaction/patchwork (you had to clarify these terms when asked).

    “I’m not really that interested in Moldbug’s work. I think I looked at his blog, around four years ago, getting the impression that he had very little ability to actually think coherently.”

    Are you serious?

    How can you be serious when you refuse to read the works from which you expound so confidently, yet so mistakenly, upon?

    If you are interested, we have done a fair amount of work on Moldbug (and will be doing much more) without all bells the whistles he uses to drive people away.

    Best.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    PATCHY CLARIFICATIONS: WICKED PLANTINGS OF WOULD-BE TRADITIONS – STILTED, QUILTED, QUILLETTE – THE STRAINED MEDIOCRITIES OF MOULDY BUGS

    Clarification was necessary, only because your reading was based on your own positivist assumptions rather than what was actually written.

    I’m not expounding ‘from’ Neoreactionary works, I’m challenging the entire Neoreactionary ideology; its uses of pre-existent ideas; its logic and construction; all of it really.

    Of course, I’m serious, I have my reasons for making such a claim. And, as yet, you haven’t actually demonstrated that my challenges are actually mistaken.
    You’re more than welcome to create a cult around Neoreactionary nonsense, but don’t expect it not to be challenged. If you resort to juvenile levels of prevarication, more akin to a Scientology justification, don’t expect that not to be noticed as a weakness.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Neoreaction clearly stipulates ‘exit’ as a foundational strategy constituting patchwork’s appeal. This clearly necessitates ‘open borders’ enabling restrictionless ‘exit’.
    Without restrictionless ‘exit’, some kind of ‘slavery’ obtains, the charge of ‘cathedralism’ can be levelled at Neoreaction’s patchwork system, and Neoreaction is undermined by the implications of one of its own central tenets.

    The concept of exit has as much right to the phrase ‘open borders’, and its logical implications, as any other concept.
    The originating article, uses ‘open borders’ with respect to both ‘entry’ and ‘exit’. That may be what you’re assuming as the positivist, received sense of the phrase; a building block that you take for granted, perhaps, without being fully aware of the logical implications at play. Evidently so, if Neoreaction proscribes the universal entry condition whilst simultaneously promoting the universal exit condition.

    If the respective sets of entry criteria constituting patchwork states follow strict essentialising logics, to the point of all states of the patchwork system becoming mutually exclusive; then, assuming the patchwork system has global coverage in terms of both territory and people, a state of entropic population distribution is reached wherein full allocation according to all prevailing sets of state entry criteria has been satisfied, from the perspective of those states and their criteria. Full allocation, from the perspective of mutually exclusive sets of state entry criteria, would entail a distributional achievement of those criteria, which, if they are mutually exclusive, prevents any further entries. As that distributional achievement is global, likewise, entry prevention is global, too. If entry prevention is global, exit is impossible.

    Neoreaction could respond with the objection that the achievement of full allocation renders further entry and exit entirely unnecessary, as all relevant factors have been adequately classified. Furthermore, if confronted with the argument of an idealised state of globally adequate classification being susceptible to stasis, stagnancy, and degradation; Neoreaction would of course argue that the classification is based on ‘real conditions’, being constructed to more adequately meet the challenges of those conditions. That might be the claim, belief, and assumption, but it is far from being demonstrated.
    Basing patchwork states on prevailing ideological categories, in order to let them fight it out in a corporate-Darwinian scenario, is no more really than a tawdry attempt at hosting traditional ideological consumerism, in a kind of computer game scenario.
    It may reflect contemporary conditions and their banal receptions, at least somewhat, but it does not effectively anticipate the shapes of things to come.

    Nick Land recommends increased differentiation, but the increase in differentiation, if proceeding according to the restrictive teleological tendencies of state entry criteria, would entail only restrictive innovation according to the involution of those criteria. If those state entry criteria were, for any reason, to be compromised by forms of expediency, this necessarily shows the inadequacy of those criteria, in real terms. If the expediencies call upon the characteristic resources of excluded sets of state criteria, this undermines the entire rationale of Neoreactionary patchwork organisation at a fundamental level.

    http://visionfiction.theotechne.com/WordPress/?p=1467

    An Fomoire Reply:

    Artxell, you’re trying to analyse a dynamical system as a static system.

    Why would state entry criteria need to be mutually exclusive?

    “[A] distributional achievement of those criteria, which, if they are mutually exclusive, prevents any further entries.”

    You are falsely assuming that any resident satisfies only the entry criteria of their state of residence. Not all residents need be of external origin. Again, this is a dynamical system, and you cannot treat it as if it were static. Current residents may not satisfy the entry criteria at some future time, and this may be unknown to the state.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Obviously, given real conditions, there would be some states whose entry criteria would overlap. Those states could be viewed as the same, more or less, in terms of being the same entry criteria entity.
    The order of states does not have to correspond to the order of entry criteria entities.

    Resident variation over time with respect to entry criteria, is of course another variable, which would be responsible for a subset of population movements between states, and even between entry criteria entities. I don’t doubt this to be the case.

    But what one has to consider, in a patchwork system largely configured according to various category idealisations or models, are the restricting effects of these selective ideologies. Such categorical orders, deliberately selected for, would be institutionally designed to reproduce themselves according to their predetermined ideas.
    The danger of such deliberate and institutionalised design is both the realisation and perpetuation of ideological stasis. This would result, ultimately, in the no-exit situation described.

    collen ryan Reply:

    well artx no one may own the term open but everyone who borrows it agrees that it means unless qualified open in both directions, understand english is a second language and all but next time you might check with a puerto rican friend.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The word ‘open’, on its own, is unspecified as to the type, ‘direction’, or scope, of ‘openness’ that it indicates. Qualification is always necessary, whether explicitly through statement or implicitly through context.

    Try doing some basic logic or set theory, it might help you coordinate the shit in your head, to the point where you might actually begin to think, instead of merely regurgitating excremental opinions.

    The rest of what you’ve written is straw-clutching rubbish.

    Calls himself, ‘high trust’, but it’s only a ‘high trust’ until ‘defection’, and ‘defection’ happens for any reason or whim at all, the usual one being any situation where he isn’t getting more than everyone else. What a prat! Lol

    Posted on December 31st, 2017 at 3:08 am Reply | Quote
  • Imperial Energy Says:

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    “I’m not expounding ‘from’ Neoreactionary works, I’m challenging the entire Neoreactionary ideology; its uses of pre-existent ideas; its logic and construction; all of it really.”

    Your position lacks conceptual coherence.

    You argue that you are not “expounding” yet you “expound”; you claim that you are challenging “all of it” (refuting it?) yet claiming to draw the necessary logical implications of “Neoreaction” yet you base your entire edifice on the work NL and not on the person who invented the concepts in the first place.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Challenging the weaknesses of neo-reactionary ideology does not necessarily require any opposing ‘position’; position taking is not obligatory, and I haven’t offered any. Therefore, there is no positional basis for conceptual coherence or incoherence. Any detectable incoherence would be due to the logical implications of Neoreaction.

    I welcome critique of my critique. I’ve given a basic explication of the possibilities of patchwork logic, as they seem to me. I’m quite aware that my characterisations are susceptible to reconfiguration, I can sense many possibilities, in this respect. Nevertheless, an important formal consideration is at the root of that explication, haunting, I would suggest, all reconfigurations and objections that Neoreactionaries are likely to offer in the way of justification.

    If my critique is based on anything, it would be perhaps, and arguably, many of the same sources and possibilities that Neoreaction itself attempts to draw upon. Namely, the philosophical and cultural backgrounds within which Neoreaction attempts to distinguish itself. It is my impression that there is very little actual ‘invention’ going on with Neoreaction. Resurrecting old ideas in new contexts is not really anything new.
    At this stage, and over the last four years, it has not been my intention to produce refutations of Neoreaction in conclusive ways, but merely to suggest their possibility.
    Though I do not take Neoreaction seriously, as an intellectual contribution, explaining perhaps my seemingly lackadaisical disdain towards reading its texts, it would probably be a good idea to read more of the background. However, such an activity would only hasten the production of a conclusive refutation.

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    Wagner Reply:

    You’ve posted here 5000 times and you’ve never read Moldbug. Welcome to embodying the archetype of the high IQ nigger. You’re a blessing in disguise though insofar as you’ve given us a prime example of Who Ought to be Barred from Non-Garbage Patches, thanks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Sm1pvKvoU

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I didn’t say that I’d never read him, but that I’d read enough, some years back, to form the impression that he was rubbish. I’ve never seriously read L Ron Hubbard, either, but that doesn’t alter the fact that he was the low grade science-fiction writer, especially in comparison to those I have read. I don’t really like to waste my time on substandard authors, there is too much good stuff I haven’t got round to reading, yet.
    Really, if his influence only produces the nostalgic garbage commonly delivered here on this blog, it’s not a sign of good quality. Forthright declaration of questionable assumptions doesn’t really prove anything, Waggy. It doesn’t prove anything.

    By the way, I did enjoy your comments the other day, on the other post. They were good, better than moldbug.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Europeans and europeans only have demonstrated the successful intra european cross pollination, It in fact seems to have been whats given us our edge over the other ice people. It still works today. What has also been proven more recently is that not only doesn non european hybridization not work to our benefit, to a neutral place rather its morbid whether the immigrants are high IQ jews and east asians or savages like the towel heads and niggers.This isn’t even worth discussing whites have known this forever its only since jews decided to destroy whites by exploiting christianity and enlightenment ideals with immigration of non whites through which they could dispose us and mind fuck us. It is now we who have this sophies choice we can give up or at least radically modify our cherished ideas thousands of years old or we can go down with the ship on principles and propositions. I think its worth noting Christianity is of jewish origin and the enlightenment is certainly as informed by christianity as marxism is informed by enlightenment. moldberg got the middle part right he just conveniently left all the jew parts out.
    Its not as simple as sentimental attachment to christian enlightenment, or even the practical problem of how and to what to transition, though thats all tremendous, its that they worked, still in some ways work. open gentlemen’s agreements work in euro civilizations The efficiencies high trust transfer to all euros when we were all euros. This formed us into even higher trust and more nimble efficient risk taking people. Its our edge and we can manage the balance. its an open wound now we are open to non euros, we no longer trust nor does the trust we refuse to officially let go accrue to euros its accrues from euros to niggers and slants and jews and muzzies. In short we are asked not just to give up our historical culture, our methods of organization , with no clear replacement method, but also our evolutionary edge. We could probably keep and some of our culture and organizational structure if we would simply admit that applying them as universals was a mistake and as we once did conduct our affairs with non europeans at arms length. of course if you want to rule the world its helpful to tell the barbarians they are roman citizens.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    Artxy why would you presume that ‘some kind of slavery’ is not on the table in patchwok? Pretty sure moldberg makes the case for slavery, of course you haven’t read him so there’s that. Would you consider ‘manorialism’ “some kind of slavery” because NRx is rife with cALLS FOR RESTORATION OF NEO MANORIALISM. I WOULD CALL IT ‘SOME KIND OF SLAVERY’ WHICH IS WHY I OPPOSE IT FOR WHITES, particulary since it looks like the Patchlords are going to be Jews.

    i could care less what other do with their people who are so unlike my people its not my forte, i will agree with moldy that providing you insist on constraining your reason to some sort of version of white natural law, then slavery is probably not really immoral in the slave morality sense.
    its even generous, in the -Im sure i can find enough work for these wogs to cover the cost of their gruel without which they will die as they are utterly incapable of creating any value on their ow kind of way.
    Of course my reason is not constrained by such sentimental codes of conduct so i think all of india and africa the middle east and south america and asia would be best used as fertilizer.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Worth repeating: the All-Trite, ‘all ambition, and no ability’.They’re under the illusion that churning shit around at ever-increasing speeds somehow hides their innate inferiority.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I dont even know who the alt right is let alone the alt trite. i know youre the type of faggot that used to post whiny comments at the economist and huff post and is now scared because something’s going on you dont understand. My guess is in your hazy idea Trump would fall into this alt trite as well as the brexiters and the eastern euros and russians telling you and the other Economist faggots to suck nigger dick. Its not nothing, it might not be a smooth transition but we are certainly within inches of peak leftism if not on the reverse march. Guys like land will not decide the new right because no one has heard of him it will be the people who support trump types. Any intellectual who wants to influence the future is going to have to stoop to conquer. Whites are not like you niggers we are sovereign because we have more power than our elites.also because of this we are not into communism unlike the slants who also are sovereign type people but are not an individual type people, so they can sort of be ruled though it is really a consensual totalitarianism. whites wont bend a knee except for wartime.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “the slants who also are sovereign type people but are not an individual type people, so they can sort of be ruled though it is really a consensual totalitarianism”

    From this piece again https://qz.com/1168140/the-philosophers-who-will-shape-politics-in-russia-china-europe-france-and-the-us-in-2018-from-confucius-to-nick-land/:

    “Because Confucianism is paternalistic, Xi promotes it in order to give the people of China a set of values to believe in that he hopes will encourage obedience.”

    Imagine Trump saying with a straight face that he wants to encourage obedience. Any self-respecting white (and what are whites if not self-respecting) would either guffaw spittle in his face or say Fuck. YOU. Land’s precious chinks are pathetic.

    From the article quoted in this post above:

    “Population differences related to entrepreneurial and earning potential are real, and significant, and difficult to bridge.”

    This is the safest possible way to go about racism, why does Land always play it safe? I can’t take him seriously with this anyway, it’s like Jack Donovan talking about manliness, if you let dudes fsck you in the ass you’ve stripped yourself of that right; likewise given that Land is a penniless mystic using this standard of value is laughable.

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    NAT KING COLE’s VOICE

    “WHITE CHRISTMAS” MELODY – INTERPOLATION

    UUURRRRRRR

    GUNNN-NAAAH BE SOY-

    LENT………………

    CAAAAL-LEAAAAN

    WHAA-AAA-UTT FLAA-VUR SHALL YOU BE

    ????

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    It interesting Wagner, you ask for two things: unceasing warfare between races / unceasing cooperation within a race.

    Don’t forget Kubrick’s lesson within the first part of FMJ: the military is for breaking the individual’s resistance to identification with the collective’s ego ideal.

    What is ask for the white race is their militarization, which means what you ask is not for their being an “individual type people” but a people given “a set of values to believe in” that will “encourage obedience” – a “consensual totalitarianism” … you can’t have it both ways.

    Who’s more Confucian than Sergeant Hartman and who’s more Western than Gomer Pyle, the Chaplinesque character, the element which comedizes the military and allows us the awareness of singularity, of universality? Of course, Hartman gets “taken out” by the grotesque inversion of himself.

    Wagner Reply:

    I posted that video with the death of Hartman scene in mind. The kind of bufo toad I try to send messages to from this radio tower could have it no other way. This is one of Moldbug’s and Land’s errors, they don’t identify with the dialectic, they are stuck in ego-preservation.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Land dreams of living on some cold barren rock in outer space,with a population out of star trek or elysium. I dream of a warm green planet earth devoid of any but white people. Oh the places Id go!

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    Wagner Reply:

    I just realized, you’re the “bard” archetype. I wonder if Land appreciates you, in secret. It’s like, buddy, do you want twitterbird maenads kissing your feet or do you actually care about philosophy, ya know, disagreement, dissent, dialectic? Land has failed massively in not harnessing the powers of ANON-PARRHESIA. Get with the program, Land! This is what the Internet is for, you’re behind the curve–and you fancy yourself a futurist.. don’t crack me up.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Imagine Trump saying with a straight face that he wants to encourage obedience. Any self-respecting white (and what are whites if not self-respecting) would either guffaw spittle in his face or say Fuck. YOU. Land’s precious chinks are pathetic.”

    Yes you see the problem with larping monarchy to say nothing of making Jew tech fags like Zuck our Lord of the Patch. I mean if you think its hard to imagine Trump commanding obedience imagine the reaction to a faggot like Zuck trying to get us to bend the knee to him. The kings we have had took power through war, that sorta comes with the whos the alpha being settled in a way inventing software does not.Theres a lot of jewy software engineers in NRX who have been having karate fantasies since they began jacking off to anime.

    I probably wouldnt say the slopes are Pathetic,Its their high intelligence that makes their submission voluntary, at least theoretically they have enough power to fire their elites. When I say this about whites and east asians its probably mostly to do with intelligence distribution in the general population and the population size.But there’s other traits like aggression,risk taking,inventiveness,female utilization,future time orientation etc
    Its hard to say if non jungle asians evolved hyper cooperation makes them incapable or just reluctant to exercise sovereignty, either way it has its advantages too. At root its probably just refined tribalism, but coupled with arctic intelligence its hyper cooperation. Pathetic to our yankee eyes but not to be underestimated. One danger is not simply that we are teaching them our ways which while it took them out of the dark ages seems so far not to have been able to transform them into yankee scottish british german etc engineers, most of their innovation is emulation stolen tech or in the vein of Taiichi Ohno’s Toyota production innovations (just in time) which essentially leverages their greater submissiveness and discipline. We can only hope this continues. No the worst problem is we are adopting their submissiveness which is not our edge, is counter to our edge and with which we will not out compete them.The worlds gotten smaller and our elites have decided this time round instead of slaughtering the next few tribes over to make room for our expansive culture they will make us more submissive and sell plastic widgets to the tribes. Its a pretty stupid plan since they also have outsourced the making of the widgets to the tribes, which of course is feeding the tribes growth. And of course there zero chance the other tribes are going to have the same idea when they run out of room (south china sea anyone?) essentially the only thing we have done stupider than letting the kikes in the club was financing the slopes industrial might.Just fucking retarded our elites> But NOOOOO say land they geniuses, they just need total control because mike and his union steamfitters are the ones wrecking the global economy and preventing the securing of the future of white snowflakes.
    Trump is an idiot but he gets this he got it in 89 when he watched david Rockefeller ( where have i heard that name before) sell Rockefeller center in NYC to the japanese.if you read Iacocca he tells you it was the japanese or the unions that killed the american car industry it was niggers it was the inability of america to exempt itself from incompetent labor and enforce standards. I know hes correct because i have watched it happen to the heavy construction industry in nyc all under affirmative action court supervision niger spics towel heads women must be hired can not be fired and are incapable of the work. A white guy any white guy on my crews are like gold, the poor bastards have to carry all the minorities. Asians are tribal not propositional, they know they are the chosen people and are not going to pretend others are equal. I hate to be so hateful but we simply cannot function with all these minorities , and it is not democracy empowering them it is high IQ elites using cathedral propaganda/indoctrination/ punishment mechanisms.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Ok Artx

    you want to pretend you didn’t say what you said, and now you want to claim you said what I said when correcting you.

    But Im going to have to correct you a bit more.

    So now we are agreed that open implies open in all directions, unless qualified, so that no reasonable english speaker would mistake “open Borders” for borders that were in fact open in only one direction, as i and others have had to repeatedly correct you on several times,while you sputter on about muh coding protocols. And now at least you seem to agree with the point I made while correcting you that NRXs right of exit has no right of entry ( thereby NOT being an “open border” system. Which may in fact make it in practice likely to be serflike system.Sort of like the one you’re on now with your H1B1 visa. In theory you can code for another jew but in practice you know the new jew will view you disloyalty to the old jew as a troublesome sign of your character not being the sort of code wog they want. So that leaves exiting back to some nigger nation that will take anyone say Bombay. Since you know you may die of dysentery or have to chop off an arm to be a successful beggar you decide not to exit that “open border” patch.

    ” Neoreaction is committed to a logic of free exit; to a logic of selective entry; but not to a logic of free entry. But all these logics are innately connected if they belong to the same system, whether a patchwork system or not. The realisation of the logic of selective entry, which is a Neoreactionary commitment, results in the impossibility of the logic of free exit. So the two Neoreactionary commitments eventually contradict each other, at a systematic and global level.
    There is no way of getting around it, except by manipulating local variables, in various strategies of deferral, none of which can ultimately reverse the onset of no-exit entropy.”

    well it took you a couple days but you finally grasped a few things.But you’re still a broken commie record when you say nrx is contradicting yourself, try thinking of it as a code command instead of useless indian immigrants. Its not a contradiction its an if then, if a nigger will code for 60k then issue an H1B1 if a nigger wants 61K then return him to Bombay. No contradiction for the jew man, it only contradicts your aspirations, and your delusion that all niggers have value, despite my assuring you your entire genome would be more useful fertilizing corn.

    There’s no need for you to play around with it you can look out your window and see all over the west patches taking in niggers and not taking in niggers and the outcome is china is now catching up to the west. Patchwork is NOT a neoreactionary commitment, it was a throwaway idea by moldberg that has caught the imagination of the scifi wing of reaction, its demonstrably unworkable is in fact what we are trying to overcome. And so not worth thinking about. The only commitments of NRX are HBDs recognition in state organization, and the recognition that elites defection from state interests are problematic, usually coupled with the mistaken belief this not caused by elites self interest but by non elites self interest

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    This is what I said:
    “The open Borders system is, effectively and strangely, an essential element of a so-called, Neocameralist, patchwork system; with commodity-personnel having free distribution to potential sites of employment. That ‘free distribution’, when in excess of any state boundary, is what neo-reactionaries call ‘exit’.”

    Nowhere, in that paragraph, is the notion of ‘entry’ mentioned, only ‘exit’ is mentioned. The phrase, ‘open Borders system’, is used, too, but nothing in the paragraph links it to the notion of ‘entry’; that was a deliberate omission. Only ‘exit’ is mentioned, this is the only context supplied by my writing; which was a deliberate inclusion.

    Lack of qualification, is precisely that, no qualification has taken place. With regard to the phrase ‘open borders system’, the word ‘open’ qualifies a system of borders. But the nature of that ‘openness’ remains unspecified.
    So no, you’re completely wrong; ‘open’, without qualification, does not at all imply ‘open in all directions’; as omnidirectionality is a qualification.

    Your notion of ‘reasonable English speaker’ interpretation is contingent on precisely the convention used in the originating article, which I was subjecting to the paradoxical irony of Neoreactionary ‘exit’ implications and their contradictions.

    Nick Land made the recommendation, “(Always discriminate more.)”. I did precisely that, using the specific ‘openness’ of his notion of ‘exit’, to undermine his notion of ‘selective entry’.

    Once allocation according to permissible ‘entry’ conditions achieves a complete distribution, ‘exit’ is no longer possible. In a language that you might understand:

    If there are only two rooms:
    the kitchen only allows cooks,
    and the bathroom only allows plumbers;
    Once all the cooks are in the kitchen;
    and the plumbers are in the bathroom;
    All further transitions (exits) between the rooms is forbidden.

    A ‘no entry’ policy results in a ‘no exit’ policy. Lol

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    Wagner Reply:

    That’s a false analogy though because it’s unclear that many of the people you want allowed in white countries are even capable of cooking and plumbing. You’re essentially tell us through lots of deconstructish loopdiddy loops that the trash people from your country should be allowed to come into our countries and have whites cook and plumb for them since they can’t do it for themselves. No thanks, I and a growing amount of whites are starting to conclude that we don’t care if those people just starve to death or whatever lol

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The analogy is to the logical basis or structure involved, I haven’t made any statements about the immigration issue.
    It would help if you stop projecting your own respective stupidities on the text, and actually read what is written.

    An Fomoire, is the only commenter to come up with a reasonable and relevant objection, the rest of you just churn the same old shit around in your heads.

    Wagner Reply:

    Patchwork is an abstraction, a thought-experiment, to help us understand immigration, O Infinite Evader. Your subversions here all carry the subtext of wanting to muddy up good countries for your own selfish interests, any idiot can see that.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, it seems that only idiots can. You said it, Waggy. lol

    Wagner Reply:

    What’s more idiotic, wanting to lower humanity’s collective IQ out of revenge for the opium war, or not wanting that?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    To be honest, Waggy, the most stupid, lowliest Indian has far more intellectual potential than you and Collen. Look at the two of you, all you have is pettiness and aggression; you’re both fully stretched out, your potential fully spent.
    You know, Nietzsche said something about it being a waste of time teaching the majority to read and write. He had people like you and Collen in mind when he said that.
    If you want to play nasty-talk, Waggy, carry on, but you and your buddy Collen are only humiliating yourselves, destroying every claim and aspiration of ‘white supremacy’.
    You must be ‘lefty liberal’ agents in cunning disguise! lol

    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    Artxell,

    Let’s put our “para”-lenses on and ask: to what extent could we describe Wagner’s project as right wing decolonialist theory? Is “red-pill” a righist’s version of “decolonize your mind”?

    If we be disingenuous at all and deny to him a reality of “white nations not being for white people” do we cut off the tail of our project (assuming there is one) of snuffing out colonization wherever it exists? LOL!
    Colonization, the eternal “rounding the ben” of deterritorialization/reterritorialization – Artxell, what do you think – are whites marginalized and heading towards obsolescence? Do you have a problem with the formulation of this question?

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    (IN FRANK SINATRA VOICE)

    I CAN’T EXPLAIN TO YOU, YOU’RE FUCKED! YOU’RE FUCKED! YOU’RE FUCKED, YOU’RE FUCKED YOU’RE FUCKED!

    YOU’RE FUCKED YOU DON’T EVEN KNNOOOOOOOOWWWWW IT!

    YOU’RE SO SPEC-TACK-UR-ULL-LEEEE FUCKED!

    (ba ba baamp!)

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    collen reminds me of the collieries

    his parents once schlepped

    to work for the man!

    if no longer believe in prole rev..

    proles with their outstanding numerical advantage, roughly 6.6 billion proles to 800 million elites, police and lumpen-prole-parasites..

    why would i believe in collen?

    you’re supposed to be the “quality over quantity” ? (you can’t reliably finish sentences)

    the only way i’d “believe in” you is if “collen” was just the white power chatbot of a real mike that was off busy doing things while his bots “waste the enemies time through distraction”

    i would be genuinely impressed since that is something colleen would attribute his enemies of doing

    “i made a plane” lmao

    the world is not the local cinema, it ain’t gonna move aside for you as you will for it

    if your white war actually happens i’d be the first to be amazed by it like “how-the-fuck” did that happen, kinda like picking the right roulette number ten times in a row yeah exactly like that

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    collen ryan Reply:

    I may not be able to type but there’s plenty of things i could make you look stupid at ( like being a man). So stop with the marxist all racists are stupid crap. Im not really even racist i like most non whites I just understand we are biologically at a disadvantage in a multicultural system and would be better off engaging the world the way the rest of the worlds ethnicity engage the world from the security of a ethno nation.Do you not see you retards have begun to cut off the branch that supports this insane marxist experiment, there is no white nation to retreat to iof this all goes to shit (which it has been since it began and is now years from collapse) every other immigrant like you jews and artx the wog can all go home whites home is where the the experiment is going so wrong. Why do you think the asians are not copying our multiculturalism everyone but stupid fucking liberal white and jews like you see this madness.
    If my war happens, its already happening had been for a decade. it has to happen. what cant go on wont go on. the elites siphon off all the treasure while having whites pick up the tab for the real cost of the elites cheap labor, the jews monetize the debt and and take a cut for keeping the balls in the air a bit longer. therews 1.3 quadrillion in credit default swaps from this ponzi scheme and whites are fed up with watching niggers pour into their nations at the invitation of jews like you and go on welfare. this shit is definitely ending and ending badly because at this point there is no way it will end well.

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  • Rohme Giuliano Says:

    Isn’t it curious that, while white supremacy reigned in the American South, Collen’s ancestors were so poor the women would rent themselves to slaveholders for the pleasuring of their slaves?

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    Rohme Giuliano Reply:

    I expect Colliery will have a sensible, intersectional response for this quandary.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    My family has always done fine so i dont have a dog in this fight my father went to georgetown and mother to oxford, my grandfather was an engineer who had rain man like mathematical abilities. as far as I can tell we have been in engineering since coming to us in 1700s and were jewelers clock and watchmakers before that. So sorry not a pig in the parlor recent immigrant.Which is irrelevant anyway. By accident i do happen to be a union steamfitter my self as well as a bit of a real estate developer and small business owner and investor. Im pretty agnostic on unionism.I see the same problem with it as the most far right ayn rand devotee having pretty much been that since a teen, but unlike most of you I see a problem from all sides and conclude we all lose under the current models. its a bit of an improvement over constant war but only a bit better. Above i ask what if everyone could have as good information and communication organization a the businessman does what would happen. This is coming. tech is already empowering people and their states to better negotiate the support of widget makers.Its also giving the ability to much more accurately gauge a employees be they private or state productivity. There is going to be a better understanding that we are in this together.
    You and land seem to think youre going to be allowed to recreate serfdom worlwide and make high IQ whites and chinese into nothing more than welfare niggers. thats just not going to happen they will simply rise up and kill you as they have been doing for the past few hundred years. wake up. make a sustainable fair bargain with the productive men and restore cicilization

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    collen ryan Reply:

    You really are a commie retard- how that for intersexufaggotry? while i have never heard white women were used to pleasure nigger slaves in the south but rather that miscegenation was illegal, The past is always much more complex than we like to admit when selecting bits of it to bolster our current theories, so i suppose anything’s possible. Whats pretty well established though is that slavery was definitely not white supremacy, it was just another example of elites using their temporary power advantage against their co ethnics to suppress wages and competitive whites.The first slaves in the americas were whites, and they proved impossible to keep enslaved.The civil war for most whites had little to do with the issue of slavery per se. whites in the north were just as pressured by nigger labor. The lesson is the elites when not kept in line with a strong enough culture which america particularly lacked ethnically.will defect against their co ethnics with wage suppression games. slavery, eastern european turn of the century, labor then today’s immivasion. These brilliant schemes by our cog elites always end with irreparable unintended consequences a child could have predicted. followed by non elites white asserting sovereignty or elite realizing they cant do shit without the yeomen often when they need to fight a war, or suppress their last batch of cheap labor.Its an incredibly inefficient wast of time and treasure. The transition from agrarian manorialism to industrial urbanism means the percent of elites must increase from a gang of heavily armed horsemen to most of the adult men. like the old elite supporters of the manorial state these new elites vary in rank. as in the old days double crossing one or another of them or factions of them results in war.The facts is industrialization requires broad participation and enables any single man to wreak havoc. WQe can like this or not it just is. There will always be rank. But their is also a hard to calculate precisely contribution of every man that when you cheat him of it you begin the process of some sort of counter. Elites are in a much better position to cheat. you cheat every man a thousand a year its a huge sum to the cheater but few men will go to war over it.But cheaters cant stop themselves and seem always to see how far they can push it. They tell themselves that a fair wage is the exact point you can cheat a man to before he blows your head off.The reall fair portion of the nations GDP is probably something like if Bezos had to negotiate with all the men who make his business model possible at once in real time with complete information flow and communication among players.I often make the analogy that if haliburton actually owned the USG patch and its citizens owned the halliburton shares, would haliburton be giving all its services away to businesses it granted licenses to operate within its borders. Would transportation, communication infrastructure be free, would the law enforcement civil court banking and insurance guarantees be free?would the nuclear subs protecting the container ships and fuel supplies be free? would the access to the US consumer and labor and research and development markets be free? Of course not all of it and a million other things would not be free, and the proceeds would be distributed to the owners of halliburton/USG. Another way is as i began above to consider if elites did not have the organizational advantage,, and had to bargain with the people who give the support without which you can not function as a modern institution. if the cops and the judges and the kids on the nuclear subs the postmen all got together and figured out what it was really worth to bezos. Instead hes the only one operating from a consolidated organizational structure and the rest are atomized. This is not an argument for a revival of unionism. Im simply pointing out the higher you go in the hierarchy the more your advantage to cheat, but eventually you overheat and things must be set aright again. The plain fact is no one can actually do it all, and even if they could someone else can always offer to do it more cooperatively. If bezos figures a way to run amazon fron some nigger nation in africa protect his own cargo ships and enforce his own civil laws in all the nations he wants to operate, and can build an entirely autonomous drone system that can travel to africa and back without interfering with any nations air controls. and has an all robot workforce then says i will pay no taxes obey no laws but my own and will deliver goods anywhere you want them. someone is going to proposes a system that instead employs people pays taxes and is on the whole a better deal for the consumers who own the nation in question.Not that bezos or anyone can build anything like that. So here we have another reset trumps said these companies are screwing you the answer isnt socialism the answer is to use the power the owners of the nation have and make them stop screwing you, and guess what he was elected by all the most productive people and voted against by the niggers and bitches and faggot leeches. Why did the elites make common cause with the useless instead of the productive in fact import a hundred million more useless while creating the bitches as citizens not long after the eastern european jews and the nigger slaves.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    you’re right artx discussing anything seriously with a commie nigger and jew is a waste of time and so beneath me its humiliating to me.I came here to discuss these things with people who at least got past the moronic commie stage. But commies will infiltrate.

    The plain fact is if you really believe what you say you would turn your own nations into the multicultural utopias, But instead you all jew and nigger alike migrate to white nations and white nations only. Thing is while this might make your lives and nations better it sucks for us and we want to go back to the old way. And we are going to have already begun. So whine all you want argue like a gas lighting jew all you want but we are turning this ship around its going to take a while but I know you can already feel it turning.As I have said you should all get ahead of the rush to the exit.

    It funny you attack me Im actually the moderate here, i recognize elites and average citizens need each other and capitalism while great is not the point of the universe. Do you seriously think the techno futurists are going to keep you wogs? The only reason there are a few smart wogs is your huge population, you as a whole are only exceeded in stupidity by black niggers, and they at least are physically fit.Not only are you going to be tossed out of the west the chinese are going to toss you out of your little enclaves throughout the world, No my people raised you up for a brief moment and you failed back to the muck you go.

    But I do apologize to you all for butting back in on your inane marxist bullshit session again, one of you morons said something particularly annoying and i started in again. Over the years i have said all that really needs to be said about moldbug and land, and the only critiques they seem to want to engage are from the left. they need right critique but have only the choir. redefining what is right and left doesn’t make it so. You cant claim to be ultra right wing and solve your problems by the same method as the cathedral and just change the name to nrx. Whatever enjoy
    wag good luck with these idiots if i were you Ide get back about your real life.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    MULTICULTURALISM IS JUST THE LATEST FORM OF MARXISM- invented by them because whites don’t need or want communism.White short dalliance with the jew theology of marxism was only a historic blip during the transition from agrarian dark ages to industrial modernity.The Jew himself only uses marxism class now racial marxism to conquer whites. And yes rhome understanding that is the rights correlative to losing its false consciousness, except of course the old false consciousness was mostly jew lies about the difficulty of transitioning from agrarian manorialism to urban industrialization. This false consciousness this red pill is real escape from 150 years of mostly jew lies with a smattering of traitorous whites thrown in confused with whites actual nature and christian history. You must be a moron to not see this and see how its inevitably coming to an end as all the lies have now been exposed and only thuggery enforces lip service. YeaH YOU COMMIE JEWS AND NIGGERS WILL CALL WHITES RESTORING THEIR HOMELANDS TO THE SAME SYSTEM ALL OTHER PEOPLES HAVE AS LOW BROW HATE, AND YOU LYING JEWS (RHOME) WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY BOTH SIDES TELLING THE BAD WHITES ITS ONLY BUSINESS AND THE GOOD WHITES THEYRE ON THE SIDE OF ANGELS. BUT FEWER ARE LISTENING DAILY JIGS UP

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    Wagner Reply:

    Rohme has some potential for reeducation, he’s a Euro so he has freewill; Artxell on the other hand is a cross between a monkey and a robot and just needs his head caved in.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I agree with Jim that most of the dumpsterkikes and shitlibs are fundamentally conformists and once the zeitgeist shifts they’ll blink their eyes and forget about how they believed leftism was the absolute truth and carry on relatively uninterruptedly as right-cogs. I just think of Bill Hicks in his singsong voice going “We are the puppet people, put it on our TV it’s true, put it on our TV it’s true.” We’ll have to liquidate the more resilient priests but shifting our people’s perceptions to reality will really be as simple as discreetly altering media-poesis in a rightward direction over a couple decades.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    THE ALL-TRITE, NEO-NAZI INTELLECTUAL AMBITIONS OF FREE WILLY WAGGY, ABILITY-FREE

    Indians are not other than our divine, we don’t need to conceptualise pathetic notions of ‘freewill’, because we didn’t trap ourselves in moronic conceptions of ‘determination’, in the first place.

    It’s interesting that you chose an oscillation between a ‘monkey’ and a ‘robot’; both are poverty-struck, dogmatic conceptions projected by the default, Occidental android mindset; those are the hallucinated limits of your sad and sadistic cave-mind. Evidently, your head is already caved in.

    I said right from the beginning that Neoreaction and the All-trite were intellectually inferior; white supremacists, especially so. You seem to be getting angry because that claim has been demonstrated.

    Yes, Waggy, you’re worse than ‘mud’. Apparently, it’s your choice to be a stupid thug that paraphrases Friedrich Nietzsche so very badly. That seems to be the ridiculous extent of your ‘free will’.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    COLLENIC ENGINE DROPS INTO THE STUPID ABYSS

    Repeating the same old singsong shit, again and again, isn’t any kind of argument. No doubt, it’s your brand of ‘realism’, but it’s a brand based only on 1000 kinds of self-serving ignorance.
    This is the second or third time you’ve shown an inability to grasp elementary logical relations, showing a distinct lack of critical ability. Droning on, with a mishmash of experiential anecdotal wisdom, all based on the same nostalgic fixations, shows only poverty of invention and confidence.

    I guess if you’re such a purist over ‘white’ culture, you’ll be happy to abandon the number system, because that isn’t your culture. I didn’t mention modern logic, because obviously, as has been seen, that means nothing to you.
    You make all kinds of shit claims and assumptions, about the qualities of peoples and their histories around the world, based on wholesale ignorance of those cultural histories, to the point of self-parodic ridicule it would be difficult for anyone else to exceed.

    It’s become obvious that you share the kind of simplifying understanding characteristic of a religious fundamentalist, producing base level interpretations constrained to that narrow, simplifying scope. I guess the narrowness accelerates the excremental flow around those hate-constricted, cerebral channels. But it’s highly unlikely to lead to any understanding of interest.

    You’re right, that Neoreaction is a bunch of botched understandings, but your handling and characterisation of those understandings just multiplies that botched nature.

    The sad irony of people like you, Bannon, and Trump, et cetera, is that your insecure agitations of dishonest nostalgia are actually hastening the destruction of what you value, much more so than any amount of immigration ever could.
    What I’ve learnt here, is that you are so abysmally stupid, that you’ll never be able to see that.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Paragraph after paragraph of rhetoric, as per usual.

    Tell us about those street-shitters, Arty ol boy.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You seem very fond of those street-shitters, Waggy, you talk about them so much. That must be the true extent of your intellectual affinity, ‘shit for brains’ and streets. lol

    Wagner Reply:

    So are you going to fess up about your people’s subhuman behavior or not? (This is a rhetorical question, monkeybot.)

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Gladly, avoiding being blatant exemplars of intellectual inferiority, and its corollary hypocrisies, is eminently subhuman behaviour, unlike yourself and your buddy, human, all too human.

    collen ryan Reply:

    “Indians are not other than our divine, we don’t need to conceptualise pathetic notions of ‘freewill’, because we didn’t trap ourselves in moronic conceptions of ‘determination’, in the first place.”

    save the snake charming for the street shitters once you swipe off the hippie dust Hinduism and buddhism are as much , if not more superstitious trash as christianity both full of all sorts of supernatural nonsense.

    As for your or my free will, it’s very much up for debate how much free will we actually have,which is duh sort of the point of HBD. {It’s worth mentioning dr land this problem will apply to your franken brains you imagine will conjure their own consciousness ( doubtful) might still not develop free will}

    I have nothing in common with Bannon or Trump or the neocons, commies, nazis, alt right., monarchy, totalitarianism,libertarianism, or it seems nrx, I have looked at them all and found them unworkable in some respects. It would be pretty hard for that broad a spectrum of philosophy to not have a thing or two understood more or less correct,
    My giving credit to the truth, irrespective of that truth being purposefully or inadvertently recognized by the vast range of philosophies I have rejected does not make me part of any one of them.

    Your philosophy which you think is so demonstrably brilliant is nothing but a mix of old and new marxism and a desire for the talented .5% of wogs to be appreciated by their former colonial masters and a we wuz kangs interpretation of what you think is youre genomes cultural accomplishment. Its sad i can see you in your dorm room wrestling with your gay urges and frustrated in your aspirations to transcend your dark caste in the west and enter the cathedral priesthood a brahmin. Its pathetic, but youre really better off going over to the economist and huffpo where you belong I know you think its gives you intelectual cache to be here, but thats because you dont have a clue whats going on. Youre cultural marxism is overdone ir was the hail mary pass of leftism and its failed.Resist somewhere else. You want to come at me first you got to get past marx. then you got to go through all the others up through moldbug.Then you actually have to understand a few things about biology physics history. My philosophy is one of reality and reality alone. I don’t love my people like you do because my ego is tied up in them I love them because they are me whether i like it or them or not they simply are. That is the reality nature has imposed. I live or die with them, i do not have the free will i imagine to create a new reality to form a new biologic.additionally my genome has characteristics unlike others and they unlike mine, my system has to take into account how those differences interact while i struggle to survive those others. I have no moral opinion on this struggle or this reality, morality is nothing but religion dressed up in lies to fool the conceited intelectual. There is only one law survive to replicate, it is the whole of the law and from where all strategies spring, my species like many sexually reproductive species has since its inception written a kin outfolding group strategy. This makes us self centered with weakening ties from us outward. The minutia varies greatly from human species to human species and even to the sub human species such as your own and blacks. I do not pretend that any species human or animal or plant makes any sense they are random adaptation to random events, my core belief is that organizational perfection is absurd the best we can hope for to buy time until we can redesign our dna to match a organizational culture. My preference for adapting old models over experiments like marxism and nrx is that we are dealing with a complex non linear deterministic system and really don’t even understand vaguely initial conditions for you marxist mush brains we are talking the lorenz poincaree “Butterfly effect” or the Rumsfeld Unknown unknowns for the (((neocons))). We can know what happened last time and since until marx last time has been pretty much reiterating for a few thousand years we can know quite a lot about the last several thousand similar times. While none of them was great we are still here, and since we know perfection is impossible with this 1.8 million year old software that’s as patched as an old quilt, being still here is pretty good, we also know it was a culture that was biologically developed by our dna not thought up in some garret by a resentful jew then tweaked by resentful gaggots women and wogs.
    I do however think we can safely adapt it a bit to developments since the 50s when it was completely retired a process which we can argue about how and when it started till the cows come home ( my cows are highland cattle they dont come home they stay in the mountains all winter long like me they like it up their in the cold)
    Yes its true i have suggested several things can be learned or rather reinterpreted from past iterations. and most of you insist on reframing these interpretations and conclusions within the framework of your pet experimental theories you prefer to impose so you can see what happens. In short I trigger you. In fairness some of the bizarre ways your philosophies have chosen to perspective the past has helped me top break through my own past experimental prejudices. libertarian, monarchical,enlightenment americanism,etc. For instance capitalism has always been one of my sacred cattle. I now conclude without for a moment relinquishing all my former affections for its good points, it has to be seen as a tool to do a job and kept to the job not allowed to do as it wants.Now some of you start screaming red red red. But i say are you not the monarchists the throne and alterists the blood and soilists the read carlyle and old bookists ? since when did those guys not understand capitalism to be a disruptive threat to social order and the power structures of both throne altar blood soil. If you’re all such brilliant philosophers and historians think about the process where capital begins to be viewed as a right and not left force. I say it’s neither, left nor right its just a dumb tool nonnono its not this smart force that’s a sentimental anthropomorphism meme we rightists came up with to defend it against commies.Its no more intelligent than evolution, Re,ember evolution has evolved this mish mash thats only workable for a minute or two then youre fucked again. Capitalism is the same its just single minded not brilliant. like evolution it finds a next move pretty well the move is to survive profit economically, like evolution it may or may not be the best possible move, we only know of all the moves proposed it survived and we hope over time …. well hope and cattle. to base the survival of the only truly human species on capitalism is fucking retarded HERE ME YARVIN? YOURE A FUCKING RETARDED JEW OR HAVE AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE! Now like evolution thats no small feat capitalisms nifty, But why do we think its nift? Is it because we like machines and systems for themselves, perhaps. i do. But thats a stupid reason to let it into your civilization. We let it in because it can help us do things we want to do in our civilization, which ultimately comes down to the ONE LAW- survive.So when capitalism is not helping us survive it is not serving us. Now commies and monarchists want to do away with it entirely. thats pretty stupid, for two reasons its a perfectly great tool when used properly and its embedded withing our dna so we cant really jettison it.yes we apes both trade and share. Now we are at level three LEVEL ONE LAW -SURVIVE level two reproduce, level three cooperate with closest relatives to survive and replicate and we do that a lot with level three tools – TRADE AND SHARE. Yes niggers and jews we do have socialist genes as well as capitalist genes, we just are not sharing with you, but we might trade if its a better deal than killing you and taking your shit. And that’s a complex question because in theory a trade benefits both sides and benefitting your competitors has long term consequences one can not know you might have thought you only benefitted them a trifle but in fact bought them the time they needed to put you out of business ( see trump)

    So the thing to do with capitalism is allow it to do its things to the extent its doing the job you allowed the tool in your strategy to do and to limit it from doing things that do not serve your interests, when a capitalist tells you if you dont let him do whatever he wants kill him just as quickly as you kill the communist that tells you he has a right to shit he doesn’t. Trust me if your civilization survives their will always be a new capitalist to adapt to your rules its what they do adapt to conditions.The logical conclusion to free capitalism is amazon selling crack and porn. Oh yeah we sort of have that hows that working out?

    Now i bring up this again not to push my ideas again but as an example of how i deal with reality regardless of personal past philosophical affections and how you all will twist and try to reframe me into your preconceived experimental philosophies.

    In a very broad way my pre moldbug biases were along the lines of whats now called paleo libertarianism a sort of john galt meets thomas jefferson. My american enlightenment only allowed adult white men of property to determine the way forward.Galt’s Gulch writ over a continent. I love me some capitalism and I love me some hierarchy of the meritocratic variety.Because sorry guys i really dont see the consisten merit in old school aristocracy. But that didnt prevent me from understanding moldbergs point about how that enlightenment could be seem as the thin edge of a demotist edge. so i dutifully read the anti federalist papers and a lot of other alternate history, sure the puritans could be seen as the very tip of that wedge, but then i think about how my dad blamed it all on the 60s and how i always though the 60s didnt spring from the earth whole. so why stop at the roundheads why not go back to magna carta in 1215, why even stop there why did charlemagne need a pope on christmas 800 to crown him? and what of the empress? and if democracy is the problem what of the greeks and romans to say nothing of the british and americans and a lot of others.

    No moldberg had a clever little argument but it doesn’t really explain it all its a lot more complex than that. but it pushed the right buttons in certain quarters an maybe thats a good thing maybe not its too soon to be sure but i will say its seems way past time moldberg cantors should have started improving on what should have been nothing but the barest od starts but has morphed into a cult of dunces. I have wasted enough time pointing out moldbergs contradictions and unsupportable assertions. I like moldbergs assuming hes not a jew entryist getting ahead of the inevitable goy reaction to peak leftism he anticipates ( a distinct possibility) I liked many of the early reactionaries back when it was still plausible to think they would come around and be honest about their weaknesses. Its hard to say if its their inability to think or their thinking they must distance themselves from their evil spawn alt right but they are dying of rot. the alt right may be stupid and ugly but they are like trump operating from some basically healy instincts.being self preservation.NRX is prettyt much morphing into cathedralism with an edge an edge they wont discuss in fact they wont discuss much explicitly to the extent one has to say well its impossible to tell but they are either DAVOS or the fourth Reich.Meanwhile the real davos and alt reich are proceeding and leaving nrx in irelevancy. But of course they will tell you that’s our secret plan that’s how we become worthy to rule. UTTER FAGGOTRY you become worthy to rule by taking by force power from who held it. no one is going to give moldbergs cleric power when they sit out the power struggle taking place. This is not how human power struggles work.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re writing as though you know what ‘free will’ actually is; what Hindu and Buddhist philosophies are; and as if I’ve actually proposed any substantial thesis on this blog.

    Yes, I’ve made comparative claims, all of which I can back up. Other than that, though, I haven’t actually promoted any political position, especially not in the senses you and others seem to be assuming.

    Distinguishing yourself as not identifying with various political ideologies, whilst sharing the same cultural and intellectual presuppositions as them; basically, Occidental ideology, whatever its inner antagonisms; is sufficient to weaken anything you might claim. Remember, the Occident did not create the intellectual foundations on which it confuses itself.

    There is no need to say anymore, it’s been an interesting comments section; the demonstration is sufficient.
    I’ll try to respond to Giuliani Rohme, at some point.

    Wagner Reply:

    Mike you’re an idiot for presupposing Land is a capitalist. What do you think is the meaning of “accelerationism” for him? Capitalism is all an act. He’s an afro-futurist in temperament. He even named his favorite scifi writer Octavia Butler. If that doesn’t give it away for you gullible buffoons I don’t know what will. If you want to know Land’s psychology, it is a desire to turn dirt into gold. That’s all it is really. People like Mike come about because sometimes dirt is just dirt. It’s a hard truth for you liberals who believe freedom is possible for everyone, eventually even for a grain of sand. Well, it’s not. Sometimes, perhaps Mosttimes, dirt is just dirt.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, the dirt you refer to, is intellectually superior to you.

    Wagner Reply:

    All bark and no bite. See, we in the occident actually give reasons for what we believe. You apes just throw feces and don’t back it up. Try backing it up for once. Call me psychic but I’m guessing you can’t, all you can do is evade the subject using rhetoric and insults, like the glorified ape that you are.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I’d say you were running around like headless chickens, but that would imply that you had heads to begin with, and as you demonstrate again and again, that is just not the case, nor is it likely to ever have been.

    Need I remind you of your tawdry post-rationalist commitments, done in the most simplistic, unthinking, illogical, and positivist ways. This is the Waggy contemporary supermarket of badly understood philosophical positions. You state these positions, churn them out as incompetent regurgitations, but have no clue at all about the contextual logics generating them.

    The earlier dispute concerning Neoreactionary ‘Exit’ and its logical implications demonstrate quite adequately your and Collen’s utter incompetence and ignorance concerning logic and rationality. Both of you quite literally have no critical ability at all in these areas; everything for the two of you consists of churning the excremental sediment of idiomatic doxa around in your craniums, and depositing it on this blog.

    Point out one single ‘belief’ for which you actually provisioned reasoning that wasn’t merely based on other equally erroneous and disputable beliefs? You won’t be able to do it, for a variety of reasons, but the main one is your intellectually inferiority, directly contradicting your claims of supremacy and ability. Ergo, your every attempt to disprove my only claim concerning those like yourselves, which is “All ambition, but no ability”, only provides more and more evidence for my claim.

    Carry on as long as you like, Waggy, glad to have you on the team, lol!

    Wagner Reply:

    Rhetoric and insults, check. This must be karma I guess that I’m in an infinite conversation with a brahmin (in both senses of the term) who conflates himself with Brahman. I hate to say it but you are kind of one of my only friends, Artxell, and as your friend I strongly suggest that you forget all that French garbage that the white devil crypto-neo-colonialists shoved into your curry gobbling head and take up yoga and (re?)read the Vedas for Krishna’s sake you sophistic dolt. Get in touch with your ancestors you esteem so much, I actually have respect for them – that isn’t the case for you.

    Wagner Reply:

    HEY MR. LAND *shoots a spitball at that monkey face’a yrs*

    RE: this accelerationism business (and I mean “business” literally, everything is business to you coins-for-eyes, crumpet-crunching Englishmun):

    I HACKED YOUR BLOG, I HACKED YOUR LIFE

    I want to make you self-aware of this: I’ve made you regret being a crypto-card-carrion communist. That is my gift to you. I shot Nietzsche’s corpse out of a cannon through your parlor window, take a whiff you old fart, it reeks doesn’t it. It’s going to stink up all of China if my meatspace name isn’t “Nick” too! Your occult experiment in the 90s backfired and now your younger self has traveled forward in time to kill you, how does this maek you feel?? I am not being ironic, I am not being insane, just statin the facks, ma’am. I AM YOU YOU OLD FOOL.

    YOU WILL SUBMIT TO NIETZSCHE. IN FACT, YOU ALREADY HAVE.

    BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

    I HACKED YOUR BLOG, I HACKED YOUR LIFE

    I hacked your blog, I hacked your life.

    Wagner Reply:

    And it might surprise you what I hack next. And it might surprise you what I hack next.

    …wew, glad ) f)nally got th)s off my chest, t)me to s)gn myself )nto the asylum–[the telos of Land)an)sm )s batsh)t )nsan)ty, dunno what the rest of you xenocunts are do)ng

    Wagner Reply:

    @Mike RE: Artxell:

    “BASSANIO: Gratiano speaks an infinite deal of nothing, more than any man in Venice. His reasons are as two grains of wheat hid in two bushels of chaff; you shall seek all day ere you find them, and when you have them, they are not worth the search.” – Shakespeare, a.k.a. that inferior who plagiarized the Vedas basically verbatim

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The degree of granary obscurity corresponds to the searcher’s stupidity.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Especially when the wheat has been clearly indicated.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The grains can be shown, but to no avail if the searchers refuse to see them, choosing to remain in quarrelling obscurity.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “History recounts that before or after dying he found himself in the presence of God and told Him: ‘I who have been so many men in vain want to be one and myself.’ The voice of the Lord answered from a whirlwind: ‘Neither am I anyone; I have dreamt the world as you dreamt your work, my Shakespeare, and among the forms in my dream are you, who like myself are many and no one.’”
    Borges

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Juan Valdez, Theory of Searches (Robert Sheckley – “Mindswap”:1966)

    “There is no telling how long Marvin might have continued his lament had not a voice at the level of his ribs and two feet to his left whispered, ‘Hey, meester.’
    Marvin turned and saw a small, plump, raggedly dressed Celsian sitting on the next bar stool.
    ‘What is it?’ Marvin asked brusquely.
    ‘You maybe want see thees muchacha so beautiful other time?’
    ‘Yes, I do. But what can you–‘
    ‘I am private investigator tracer of lost persons satisfaction guaranteed or not one cent in tribute.’
    ‘What kind of an accent have you got?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘Lambrobian,’ the investigator said. ‘My name is Juan Valdez and I come from the fiesta lands below the border to make my fortune here in big city of the Norte.’
    ‘Sandback,’ the bartender snarled.
    ‘What thees theeng you call me?’ the little Lombrobian said, with suspicious mildness.
    ‘I called you a sandback, you lousy little sandback,’ the bartender snarled.
    ‘That ees what I thought,’ said Valdez. He reached into his cummerbund, took out a long, double-edged knife, and drove it into the bartender’s heart, killing him instantly.
    ‘I am a mild man, señor,’ he said to Marvin. ‘I am not a man quickly to take offence. Indeed, in my home village of Montana Verde de los Tres Picos, I am considered a harmless man. I ask nothing more than to be allowed to cultivate my peyote buds in the high mountains of Lombrobia under the shade of that tree which we call “the sun hat”, for these are the bes’ peyote buds in all the world.’
    ‘I can understand that,’ Marvin said.
    ‘Yet still,’ Valdez said, more sternly, ‘when an exploitator del norte insults me, and by implication, defames those who gave me birth and nurtured me – why then, señor, a blinding red mist descends over my field of vision and my knife springs to my hand unaided, and proceeds from there non-stop to the heart of the betrayer of the children of the poor.’
    ‘It could happen to anyone,’ Marvin said.
    ‘And yet,’ Valdez said, ‘despite my keen sense of honour, I am essentially childlike, intuitive, and easygoing.’
    ‘I had noticed that, as a matter of fact,’ Marvin said.
    ‘But yet. Enough of that. Now, you wish hire me investigation find girl? But of course. El buen pano en el arca se vende, verdad?’
    ‘Si, hombre,’ Marvin replied, laughing. ‘Y el deseo vence al miedo!’
    ‘Pues, adelante!’ And arm in arm the two comrades marched out into the night of a thousand brilliant stars like the lance points of a mighty host.

    CHAPTER 19

    Once outside the restaurant, Valdez turned his moustached brown face to the heavens and located the constellation Invidius, which, in northern latitudes, points unerringly to the north-north-east. With this as a base line, he established cross-references, using the wind on his cheek (blowing west at five miles per hour), and the moss on the trees (growing on the northerly sides of decidupis trunks at one millimetre per diem). He allowed for a westerly error of one foot per mile (drift), and a southerly error of five inches per hundred yards (combined tropism effects). Then, with all factors accounted for, he began walking in a south-south-westerly direction.
    Marvin followed. Within an hour they had left the city, and were proceeding through a stubbled farming district. Another hour put them beyond the last signs of civilization, in a wilderness of tumbled granite and greasy feldspar.
    Valdez showed no signs of stopping, and Marvin began to feel vague stirrings of doubt.
    ‘Just where, exactly, are we going?’ he asked at last.
    ‘To find your Cathy,’ Valdez replied, his teeth flashing white in his good-humoured burnt-sienna face.
    ‘Does she really live this far from the city?’
    ‘I have no idea where she lives,’ Valdez replied, shrugging.
    ‘You don’t?’
    ‘No, I don’t.’
    Marvin stopped abruptly. ‘But you said that you did know!’
    ‘I never said or implied that,’ Valdez said, his umber forehead wrinkling. ‘I said that I would help you find her.’
    ‘But if you don’t know where she lives–‘
    ‘It is quite unimportant,’ Valdez said, holding up a stern musteline forefinger.
    ‘Our quest has nothing to do with finding where Cathy lives; our quest, pure and simple, is to find Cathy. That, at least, was my understanding.’
    ‘Yes, of course,’ Marvin said. ‘But if we’re not going to where she lives, then where are we going?’
    ‘To where she weel be,’ Valdez replied serenely.
    ‘Oh,’ Marvin said.
    They walked on through towering mineral marvels, coming at last into scrubby foothills that lay like tired walruses around the gleaming blue whale of a lofty mountain range. Another hour passed, and Marvin again grew disquieted.
    But this time he expressed his anxiety in a roundabout fashion, hoping by guile to gain insight.
    ‘Have you known Cathy long?’ he asked.
    ‘I have never had the good fortune to meet her,’ Valdez replied.
    ‘Then you saw her for the first time in the restaurant with me?’
    ‘Unfortunately I did not even see her there, since I was in the men’s room passing a kidney stone during the time of your conversation with her. I may have caught a glimpse of her as she turned from you and departed, but more likely I saw only the Doppler effect produced by the swinging red door.’
    ‘Then you know nothing whatsoever about Cathy?’
    ‘Only the little I have heard from you, which, frankly, amounts to practically nothing.’
    ‘Then how,’ Marvin asked, ‘can you possibly take me to where she will be?’
    ‘It is simple enough,’ Valdez said. ‘A moment’s reflection should clear the matter for you.’
    Marvin reflected for several moments, but the matter stayed refractory.

    ‘Consider it logically,’ Valdez said. ‘What is my problem? To find Cathy.
    What do I know about Cathy? Nothing.’
    ‘That doesn’t sound so good,’ Marvin said.
    ‘But it is only half of the problem. Granted that I know nothing about Cathy, what do I know about Finding?’
    ‘What?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘It happens that I know everything about Finding,’ Valdez said triumphantly, gesturing with his graceful terracotta hands. ‘For it happens that I am an expert in the Theory of Searches!’
    ‘The what?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘The Theory of Searches!’ Valdez said, a little less triumphantly.
    ‘I see.’ Marvin said, unimpressed. ‘Well … that’s great, and I’m sure it’s a very good theory. But if you don’t know anything about Cathy, I don’t see how any theory will help.’
    Valdez sighed, not unpleasantly, and touched his moustache with a puce-coloured hand. ‘My friend, if you knew all about Cathy – her habits, friends, desires, dislikes, hopes, fears, dreams, intentions. and the like – do you think you would be able to find her?’
    ‘I’m sure I could,’ Marvin said.
    ‘Even without knowing the Theory of Searches?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘Well then,’ Valdez said, ‘apply that same reasoning to the reverse condition. I know all there is to know about the Theory of Searches, and therefore I need to know nothing about Cathy.’
    ‘Are you sure it’s the same thing?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘It has to be. After all, an equation is an equation. Solving from one end may take longer than from the other end, but cannot affect the outcome. In fact, we are really quite fortunate to know nothing about Cathy. Specific data sometimes has a way of interfering with the well-wrought operation of a theory. But we shall suffer no such discomfiture in this instance.’
    They marched steadily upwards, across the steepening face of a mountain slope. A bitter wind screamed and buffeted at them, and patches of hoar-frost began to appear underfoot. Valdez talked about his researches into the Theory of Searches, citing the following typical cases: Hector looking for Lysander, Adam questing after Eve, Galahad reconnoitering for the Holy Grail, Fred C. Dobbs’
    seeking the Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Edwin Arlington Robinson’s perquisitions for colloquial self-expression in a typically American milieu, Gordon Sly’s investigations of Naiad McCarthy, energy’s pursuit of entropy, God’s hunt for man, and Yang’s pursual of Yin.
    ‘From these specifics,’ Valdez said, ‘we derive the general notion of Search and its most important corollaries.’
    Marvin was too miserable to answer. It had suddenly occurred to him that one could die in this chill and waterless wasteland.

    ‘Amusingly enough,’ Valdez said, ‘the Theory of Searches forces upon us the immediate conclusion that nothing can be truly (or ideally) lost. Consider: for a thing to be lost, it would require a place to be lost in. But no such place can be found, since simple multiplicity carries no implication of qualitative differentiation. In Search terms, every place is like every other place. Therefore, we replace the concept Lost with the concept of indeterminate placement, which, of course, is susceptible to logico-mathematical analysis.’
    ‘But if Cathy isn’t really lost,’ Marvin said, ‘then we can’t really find her.’
    ‘That statement is true, as far as it goes,’ Valdez said. ‘But of course, it is merely Ideal notion, and of little value in this instance. For operational purposes we must modify the Theory of Searches. In fact, we must reverse the major premise of the theory and reaccept the original concepts of Lost and Found.’
    ‘It sounds very complicated,’ Marvin said.
    ‘The complication is more apparent than real,’ Valdez reassured him. ‘An analysis of the problem yields the result. We take the proposition: “Marvin searches for Cathy.” That seems fairly to describe our situation, does it not?’
    ‘I think it does,’ Marvin said cautiously.
    ‘Well then, what does the statement imply?’
    ‘It implies – it implies that I search for Cathy.’
    Valdez shook his nut-brown head in annoyance. ‘Look deeper, my impatient young friend! Identity is not inference! The statement expresses the activity of your quest, and therefore implies the passivity of Cathy’s state-of-being-lost. But this cannot be true. Her passivity is unacceptable, since ultimately one searches for oneself, and no one is exempt from that search. We must accept Cathy’s search for you (herself), just as we accept your search for her (yourself). Thus we achieve our primary permutation: “Marvin searches for Cathy who searches for Marvin.” ‘
    ‘Do you really think she’s looking for me?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘Of course she is, whether she knows it or not. After all, she is a person in her own right; she cannot be considered an Object, a mere something-lost.We must grant her autonomy, and realize that if you find her, then, equally, she finds you.’
    ‘I never thought of that.’ Marvin said,
    ‘Well, it’s simple enough once you understand the theory,’ Valdez said. ‘Now, to ensure our success, we must decide upon the optimum form of Search. Obviously, if both of you are actively questing, your chances of finding each other are considerably lessened. Consider two people seeking one another up and down the endless crowded aisles of a great department store, and contrast that with the improved strategy of one seeking, and the other standing at a fixed position and waiting to be found. The mathematics are a little intricate, so you will just have to take my word for it. The best chance of you/her finding her/you will be for one to search, and the other to allow himself /herself to be searched for. Our deepest folk wisdom has always known this, of course.’
    ‘So what do we do?’
    ‘I have just told you!’ Valdez cried. ‘One must search, the other must wait. Since we have no control over Cathy’s actions, we assume that she is following her instincts and looking for you. Therefore you must fight down your instincts and wait, thereby allowing her to find you.’
    ‘All I do is wait?’
    ‘That’s right.’
    ‘And you really think she’ll find me?’
    ‘I would stake my life on it.’
    ‘Well … all right. But in that case, where are we going now?’
    ‘To a place where you will wait. Technically, it is called a Location-Point.’
    Marvin looked confused, so Valdez explained further. ‘Mathematically, all places are of equal potentiality insofar as the chances of her finding you are concerned. Therefore we are able to choose an arbitrary Location-Point.’
    ‘What Location-Point have you chosen?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘Since it made no real difference,’ Valdez said, ‘I selected the village of Montana Verde de los Tres Picos, in Adelante Province, in the country of Lombrobia.’
    ‘That’s your home town, isn’t it?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘As a matter of fact, it is,’ Valdez said, mildly surprised and amused. ‘That, I suppose, is why it came so quickly to my mind.’
    ‘Isn’t Lombrobia a long way off?’
    ‘A considerable distance,’ Valdez admitted. ‘But our time will not be wasted, since I will teach you logic, and also the folksongs of my country.’
    ‘It isn’t fair,’ Marvin muttered.
    ‘My friend,’ Valdez told him, ‘when you accept help, you must be prepared to take what one is capable of giving, not what you would like to receive. I have never denied my human limitations; but it is ungrateful of you to refer to them.’
    Marvin had to be content with that, since he didn’t think he could find his way back to the city unaided. So they marched on through the mountains, and they sang many folksongs, but it was too cold for logic.

    CHAPTER 20

    Onwards they marched, up the polished mirror face of a vast mountain. The wind whistled and screamed, tore at their clothing and tugged at their straining fingers. Treacherous honeycomb ice crumpled under their feet as they struggled for footholds, their buffeted bodies plastered to the icy mountain wall and moving leechlike up its dazzling surface.
    Valdez bore up through it all with a saintlike equanimity. ‘Eet ees deefecult,’ he grinned. ‘And yet – for the love which you bear for thees woman – eet ees all worthwhile, sí?’
    ‘Yeah, sure,’ Marvin mumbled. ‘I guess it is.’ But in truth, he was beginning to doubt it. After all, he had known Cathy only for less than an hour.
    An avalanche thundered past them, and tons of white death screamed past – inches from their strained and clinging bodies. Valdez smiled with serenity.
    Flynn frowned with anxiety.
    ‘Beyond all obstacles,’ Valdez intoned, ‘lies that summit of accomplishment which is the face and form of the beloved.’
    ‘Yeah, sure,’ Marvin said.
    Spears of ice, shaken loose from a high dokalma, whirled and flashed around them. Marvin thought about Cathy and found that he was unable to remember what she looked like. It struck him that love at first sight was overrated.
    A high precipice loomed before them. Marvin looked at it, and at the shimmering ice fields beyond, and came to the conclusion that the game was really not worth the candle.
    ‘I think,’ Marvin said, ‘that we should turn back.’
    Valdez smiled subtly, pausing on the very edge of the vertiginous descent into that wintry hell of suicidally shaped snow slides.
    ‘My frien’,’ he said, ‘I know why you say this.’
    ‘You do?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘Of course. It is obvious that you do not wish me to risk my life on the continuance of your insensate and magnificent quest. And it is equally obvious that you intend to plunge on, alone.’
    ‘It is?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘Certainly. It would be apparent to the most casual observer that you are driven to seek your love through any and all dangers, by virtue of the unyielding nature of your personality. And it is equally clear that your generous and high-spirited mentality would be disturbed at the idea of involving one whom you consider a close friend and bosom companion in so perilous a venture.’
    ‘Well,’ Marvin began, ‘I’m not sure–‘
    ‘But I am sure,’ Valdez said. ‘And I reply to your unspoken question as follows: Friendship bears this similarity to love: it transcends all limits.’
    ‘Huh,’ Marvin said.
    ‘Therefore,’ Valdez said, ‘I shall not abandon you. We shall go on together, into the maw of death, if need be, for the sake of your beloved Cathy.’
    ‘Well, that’s very nice of you,’ Marvin said, eyeing the precipice ahead. ‘But I really didn’t know Cathy very well, and I don’t know how well suited we would be; so all in all, maybe it would be best if we got out of here–‘
    ‘Your words lack conviction, my young friend,’ Valdez laughed. ‘I beg of you not to worry about my safety.’

    ‘As a matter of fact,’ Marvin said, ‘I was worrying about my safety.’
    ‘No use!’ Valdez cried gaily. ‘Hot passion betrays the studied coolness of your words. Forward, my friend!’
    Valdez seemed determined to force him to Cathy’s side whether he wanted to go or not. The only solution seemed to be a quick blow to the jaw, after which he would drag Valdez and himself back to civilization. He edged forward.
    Valdez edged back. ‘Ah no, my friend!’ he cried. ‘Again, overweening love has rendered your motives transparent. To knock me out, is it not? Then, after making sure I was safe and comfortable and well provisioned, you would plunge alone into the white wilderness. But I refuse to comply. We go on together, compadre!’
    And shouldering all their provisions, Valdez began his descent of the precipice. Marvin could do nothing but follow.

    We shall not bore the reader with an account of that great march across the Moorescu Mountains, nor with the agonies suffered by the love-dazzled young Flynn and his steadfast companion. Nor shall we delineate the strange hallucinations that beset the travellers, nor the temporary state of insanity that Valdez suffered when he thought he was a bird and able to fly across thousand-foot drops. Nor would any but the scholarly be interested in the psychological process by which Marvin was moved, through a contemplation of his own sacrifices, to a fondness for the young lady in question, and then to a strong fondness, and then to a sensation of love, and then to an overweening passion of love.
    Suffice it to say that all of these things happened, and that the journey across the mountains occupied many days and brought about many emotions. And at last it came to an end.

    Arriving at a last mountain crest, Marvin looked down and saw, instead of ice fields, green pastures and rolling forests under a summer sun, and a little village nestled in the crook of a gentle river.
    ‘Is – is that–?’ Marvin began.
    ‘Yes, my son,’ Valdez said quietly. ‘That is the village of Montana de los Tres Picos, in Adelante Province, in the country of Lombrobia, in the valley of the Blue Moon.’
    Marvin thanked his old guru – for no other name was applicable to the role that the devious and saintly Valdez had played – and began his descent to the Location-Point where his wait for Cathy would begin.

    CHAPTER 21

    Montana de Los Tres Picos! Here, surrounded by crystal lakes and high mountains, a simple, good-hearted peasantry engage in unhurried labour beneath the swan-necked palms. At midday and midnight one may hear the plaintive notes of a guitar echo down the crenellated walls of the old castle. Nut-brown maidens tend the dusty grape vines while a moustached cacique watches, his whip curled sleepily on his hairy wrist.
    To this quaint memento of a bygone age came Flynn, led by the faithful Valdez.
    Just outside the village, on a gentle rise of land, there was an inn, or posada.
    To this place Valdez directed them.
    ‘But is this really the best place to wait?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘No, it is not,’ Valdez said, with a knowing smile. ‘But by choosing it instead of the dusty town square, we avoid the fallacy of the “optimum”. Also, it is more comfortable here.’
    Marvin bowed to the moustached man’s superior wisdom and made himself at home in the posada. He settled himself at an outdoor table that commanded a good view of the courtyard and of the road beyond it. He fortified himself with a flagon of wine, and proceeded to fulfil his theoretical function as called for by the Theory of Searches: viz, he waited.
    Within the hour, Marvin beheld a tiny dark figure moving slowly along the gleaming white expanse of the road. Closer it came, the figure of a man no longer young, his back bent beneath the weight of a heavy cylindrical object. At last the man raised his haggard head and stared directly into Marvin’s eyes.
    ‘Uncle Max!’ Marvin cried.
    ‘Why, hello, Marvin,’ Uncle Max replied. ‘Would you mind pouring me a glass of wine? This is a very dusty road.’
    Marvin poured the glass of wine, scarcely believing the testimony of his senses; for Uncle Max had unaccountably disappeared some ten years ago. He had last been seen playing golf at the Fairhaven Country Club.
    ‘What happened to you?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘I stumbled into a time warp on the twelfth hole,’ Uncle Max said. ‘If you ever get back to Earth, Marvin, you might speak to the club manager about it. I have never been a complainer; but it seems to me that the greens committee ought to know about this, and possibly build a small fence or other enclosing structure. I do not care so much for myself, but it might cause a nasty scandal if a child fell in.’

    ‘I’ll certainly tell them,’ Marvin said. ‘But Uncle Max, where are you going now?’
    ‘I have an appointment in Samarra,’ Uncle Max said. ‘Thank you for the wine, my boy, and take good care of yourself. By the way; did you know that your nose is ticking?’
    ‘Yes,’ Marvin said. ‘It’s a bomb.’
    ‘I suppose you know what you’re doing,’ Max said. ‘Goodbye, Marvin.’
    And Uncle Max trudged away down the road, his golf bag swinging from his back and a number two iron in his hand as a walking-stick. Marvin settled back to wait.

    Half an hour later, Marvin spied the figure of a woman hurrying down the road.
    He felt a rising sensation of anticipation, but then slumped back in his chair. It was not Cathy after all. It was only his mother.
    ‘You’re a long way from home, Mom,’ he said quietly.
    ‘I know, Marvin,’ his mother said. ‘But you see, I was captured by white slavers.’
    ‘Gosh, Mom! How did it happen?’
    ‘Well, Marvin,’ his mother said, ‘I was simply taking a Christmas basket to a poor family in Cutpurse Lane, and there was a police raid, and various other things happened, and I was drugged and awoke in Buenos Aires in a luxurious room with a man standing near me and leering and asking me in broken English if I wanted a little fun. And when I said no, he bent down and clasped me in his arms in an embrace that was plainly designed to be lecherous.’
    ‘Gosh! What happened then?’
    ‘Well,’ his mother said, ‘I was lucky enough to remember a little trick that Mrs Jasperson had told me. Did you know that you can kill a man by striking him forcibly under the nose? Well, it actually does work. I didn’t like to do it, Marvin, although it seemed a good idea at the time. And so I found myself in the streets of Buenos Aires and one thing led to another and here I am.’
    ‘Won’t you have some wine?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘That’s very thoughtful of you,’ his mother said, ‘but I really must be on my way.’
    ‘Where?’
    ‘To Havana,’ his mother said. ‘I have a message for Garcia. Marvin, have you a cold?’
    ‘No, I probably sound funny because of this bomb in my nose.’
    ‘Take care of yourself, Marvin,’ his mother said, and hurried on.

    Time passed. Marvin ate his dinner on the portico, washed it down with a flagon of Sangre de Hombre, ’36, and settled back in the deep shadow cast by the whitewashed palladium. The sun stretched its golden bottom towards the mountain peaks. Down the road, the figure of a man could be seen hurrying past the inn …
    ‘Father!’ Marvin cried.
    ‘Good afternoon, Marvin,’ his father said, startled but hiding it well. ‘I must say, you turn up in some unexpected places.’
    ‘I could say the same of you,’ Marvin said.
    His father frowned, adjusted his necktie and changed his briefcase to the other hand. ‘There is nothing strange about me being here,’ he told his son.
    ‘Usually your mother drives me home from the station. But today she was delayed, and so I walked. Since I was walking, I decided to take the shortcut which goes over one side of the golf course.’
    ‘I see,’ Marvin said.
    ‘I will admit,’ his father continued, ‘that this shortcut seems to have become a “long” cut, as one might express it, for I estimate that I have been walking through this countryside for the better part of an hour, if not longer.’
    ‘Dad,’ Marvin said, ‘I don’t know how to tell you this, but the fact is, you are no longer on Earth.’
    ‘I find nothing humorous about a remark like that,’ his father stated.
    ‘Doubtless I have gone out of my way; nor is the style of architecture what I would normally expect to find in New York State. But I am quite certain that if I continue along this road for another hundred yards or so, it will lead into Annandale Avenue, which in turn will take me to the intersection of Maple Street and Spruce Lane. From there, of course, I can easily find my way home.’
    ‘I suppose you’re right,’ Marvin said. He had never been able to win an argument from his father.
    ‘I must be getting along,’ his father said. ‘By the way, Marvin, were you aware that you have some sort of obstruction in your nose?’
    ‘Yes sir,’ Marvin said. ‘It’s a bomb.’
    His father frowned deeply, pierced him with a glance, shook his head regretfully, and marched on down the road.

    ‘I don’t understand it,’ Marvin remarked later to Valdez. ‘Why are all of these people finding me? It just doesn’t seem natural.’
    ‘It isn’t natural,’ Valdez assured him. ‘But it is inevitable, which is much more important.’
    ‘Maybe it is inevitable,’ Marvin said. ‘But it is also highly improbable.’
    ‘True.’ Valdez agreed. ‘Although we prefer to call that a forced-probability; which is to say, it is an indeterminate concomitant of the Theory of Searches.’
    ‘I’m afraid I don’t fully understand that,’ Marvin said.
    ‘Well, it’s simple enough. The Theory of Searches is a pure theory; which is to say that on paper it works every time, with no conceivable refutation. But once we take the pure and ideal and attempt to make practical applications, we encounter difficulties, the foremost of which is the phenomenon of indeterminacy. To put it in its simplest terms, what happens is this: the presence of the Theory interferes with the working of the Theory. You see, the Theory cannot take into account the effect of its own existence upon itself. Ideally, the Theory of Searches exists in a universe in which there is no Theory of Searches.
    But practically – which is our concern here – the Theory of Searches exists in a world in which there is a Theory of Searches, which has what we call a “mirroring” or “doubling” effect upon itself. According to some thinkers, there is a very real danger of “infinite duplication”, in which the Theory endlessly modifies itself in terms of prior modifications of the Theory by the Theory, coming at last to a state of entropy, in which all possibilities are equally valued. This argument is known as Von Gruemann’s Fallacy, in which the error of implying causality to mere sequence is self-evident. Does it become more clear?’
    ‘I think so,’ Marvin said. ‘The only thing I don’t understand is, exactly what effect does the existence of the Theory have upon the Theory?’
    ‘I thought I had explained that,’ Valdez said. ‘The primary, or “natural” effect of a Theory of Searches upon a Theory of Searches is of course to increase the value of lambda-chi.’
    ‘Hmm,’ said Marvin.
    ‘Lambda-chi is, of course, the symbolic representation of the inverse ratio of all possible searches to all possible finds. Thus, when lambda-chi is increased through indeterminacy or other factors, the possibility of search-failure is rapidly reduced to a figure near zero, while the possibility of search-success expands quickly towards one. This is known as the Set-Expansion Factor.’
    ‘Does that mean,’ Marvin asked, ‘that because of the effect of the Theory of Searches on the Theory of Searches, which results in the Set-Expansion Factor, that all searches will be successful?’
    ‘Exactly,’ Valdez said. ‘You have expressed it beautifully, though perhaps with insufficient rigour. All possible searches will be successful during the time, or duration, of the Set-Expansion Factor.’
    ‘I understand now,’ Marvin said. ‘According to the theory, I must find Cathy.’
    ‘Yes,’ Valdez said. ‘You must find Cathy; as a matter of fact, you must find everyone. The only limitation is the Set-Expansion factor, or S-E.’
    ‘Oh?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘Well, naturally, all searches can only be successful during the time, or duration, of S-E. But the duration of S-E is a variable which can last no less than 6.3 microseconds and no more than 1,005.34543 years.’
    ‘How long will S-E last in my particular case?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘A lot of us would like to know the answer to that one,’ Valdez said, with a hearty chuckle.
    ‘You mean that you don’t know?’
    ‘I mean that it has been the labour of several lifetimes simply to discover the existence of the Set-Expansion Factor. To determine an exact numerical solution for it for all possible cases would be possible, I suppose, if S-E were a mere variable. But it happens to be a contingent variable, which is a very different kettle of fish. You see, the calculus of contingencies is a rather new branch of mathematics, and one that no one can pretend to have mastered.’
    ‘I was afraid of that,’ Marvin said.
    ‘Science is a cruel taskmaster,’ Valdez agreed. Then he winked cheerfully and said, ‘But of course, even the cruellest taskmasters can be evaded.’
    ‘Do you mean to say there is a solution?’ Marvin cried.
    ‘Not a legitimate one, unfortunately,’ Valdez said. ‘It is what we Search Theorists call a “bootleg solution”. That is to say, it is a pragmatic application of a formula that, statistically, has had a high degree of correlation with required solutions. But as a theory, there are no rational grounds for presuming its validity.’
    ‘Still,’ Marvin said, ‘if it works, let’s try it out.’
    ‘I would really rather not,’ Valdez said. ‘Irrational formulae, no matter what their apparent degree of success, are distasteful to me, containing, as they do, distressing hints that the supreme logic of mathematics might be founded ultimately upon gross absurdities.’
    ‘I insist,’ Marvin said. ‘After all, I am the one who is Searching.’
    ‘That has nothing to do with it, mathematically speaking,’ Valdez said. ‘But I suppose you would give me no peace unless I indulged you.’
    Valdez sighed unhappily, schlepped a piece of paper and a stub pencil out of his rebozo, and asked, ‘How many coins do you have in your pocket?’
    Marvin looked and replied, ‘Eight.’
    Valdez wrote down the result, then asked for the date of Marvin’s birth, his social-security number, his shoe size, and height in centimetres. To this he gave a numerical value. He asked Marvin to pick a number at random between 1 and 14. With this, he added several figures of his own, then scribbled and calculated for several minutes.
    ‘Well?’ Marvin asked.
    ‘Remember, this result is merely statistically probable,’ Valdez said, ‘and has no other grounds for credence.’
    Marvin nodded. Valdez said, ‘The duration of the Set-Expansion Factor, in your particular case, is due to expire in exactly one minute and forty-eight seconds, plus or minus five minimicroseconds.’
    Marvin was about to protest vehemently about the unfairness of this, and to ask why Valdez hadn’t made that vital calculation earlier. But then he looked down upon the road, now glowing a singular white against the rich blue of evening.
    He saw a figure moving slowly towards the posada.
    ‘Cathy!’ Marvin cried. For it was she.
    ‘Search completed with forty-three seconds of the Set-Expansion Factor unelapsed,’ Valdez noted. ‘Another experimental validation of Search Theory.’

    But Marvin did not hear him, for he had rushed down to the road, and there clasped the long-lost beloved in his arms. And Valdez, the wily old friend and taciturn companion of the Long March, smiled tightly to himself and ordered another bottle of wine.”

    Wagner Reply:

    Listen here bub, I ain’t readin’ that whole text wall. You don’t deserve that kind of respect. We of the “Old School” occident believe that you need to EARN respect. I don’t blame you for this confusion, I’m sure many of our co-ethnics have given you the opposite impression consistently throughout your life.

    Look, let’s talk straight. Britain FUCKED you, they fucked you for a long time. Many on the alt-right take the Bowdenian line that “We’re not sorry” but to me this is a dindu nuffin-esque cop-out. I haven’t researched the details very thoroughly but apparently your meditating asses were enslaved. I think of how the chinks would invade Tibet and literally drill out the monks’ teeth just for being Buddhists. That isn’t cool. You commies have a bit of a dirty history of not being cool actually, but I digress. Here’s my deal: if you make it on the NRx spaceship you better not come by me when I’m eating my fuckin supper and ask me for a free squirt from my tube of lobster paste. Ya know why? You’re not getting it, that’s why dot-forehead. Instead I invite you to perk your ears up for an annoying BRITISH accent in the air and go ask that limey bugger for a squirt of his damn lobster paste, his ancestors are the ones who fucked you, not mine. Lumping all whites together is *Zizek voice* pure ideology, my god. My god, man, it is pure ideology. If that aristocratic bastard whose fancy accent was in part forged from the sweat and blood of your people doesn’t give you a dot of his lobster paste I don’t know what to tell you, just don’t come around the Swedes or Italians with your beggar’s bucket and that puppydog look on your face cuz we’re gonna spit in it, capice? The starving children, the starving children, boohoo, maybe your people should have spent more time meditating about SCIENCE hm? Because our science has given us children who are starving too, starving to be genetically modified into post-humans and to get off this birth canal of a planet. Starving I tell you! I’m not kidding. All your pomo, Saidean whining is causing those plans to hiccup because a lot of us feel sorry for you. To you really like people feeling sorry for you? It’s time to suck it up Artxell, it’s time to straighten your back and suck it up.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Of what possible use or value is the ‘respect’ of a hate-ridden, inferior, such as your good self, Waggy?
    Do you imagine that continuing on with your tribal invective in some way covers up your and Collen’s dismal failures above? Because it really doesn’t, it’s laughable, obvious ‘damage control’.

    As for the USA, it heavily finances Christian terrorism in India. But the USA is guilty of many more sins than that, or at least particular groups within the USA, who you are supporting.

    I’m not really worried about any particular nation, I’m happy to attack any and all cultures.

    The Neoreaction spaceship has not been granted any visa to enter my territory. I have dispatched a squadron of vimanas to ensure that no unauthorised entry takes place.

    Wagner Reply:

    Have it your way

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjleUXhXzvw

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    “This video is not available.”

    Whatever point you were trying to convey, you would be better off admitting defeat, and then go on to analyse why you lost the plot. Notice that Nick Land isn’t stepping in to back you up, and it’s his idea that I’ve attacked.
    Your inferiority primarily consists of the refusal to learn from your mistakes; making a virtue out of that ignorance; forcing that ignorance onto others. That, in essence, is the structure of the bigotry you’re all celebrating.

    Posted on January 5th, 2018 at 12:44 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    artx
    everything you write SCREAMS CULTURAL MARXIST WITH A BROWN RESENTMENT THROWN IN -so spare us the i dindunuffins BS.

    Here this last comment is a good example

    “whilst sharing the same cultural and intellectual presuppositions as them; basically, Occidental ideology, whatever its inner antagonisms; is sufficient to weaken anything you might claim. Remember, the Occident did not create the intellectual foundations on which it confuses itself.”

    do we really need to “unpack” and “deconstruct” this little shit stain of a whine.

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    Wagner Reply:

    The occident didn’t invent bashing a coconut on a rock to open it and it didn’t invent sticking a twig in the hole of a fallen tree trunk to gather larva, does that mean we’re obliged to invite chimps into our countries to shit on our streets?

    There are plenty of Rohmes out there who will gladly sniff around with a pooper-scooper for your ape family’s droppings, all we want is a patch where we don’t have to watch where we walk so we don’t step in shit, is that so much to ask? Apparently so. You are demanding, shameless apes. Completely without shame. But it’s my and Collen’s mistake for expecting to be able to teach an ape shame.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    The thing is, Waggy, whatever it is you think you are, you seem only able to demonstrate your intellectual inferiority with respect to the simian kingdom you mention.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    @collen ryan

    LMAO Thank Wag good for looking out bro, but no artfag is not getting to my intelectual insecurities in the least,
    Of course he speaks nothingnothing, first because he a stupid nigger doing the jive shuffle which goes something like a mime of whites that to a nigger sounds pretty accurate and so they all laugh with each other. the political media and academic circles are full of these dancing apes, to us they are pretty funny too but for a different reason.

    The second reason he is signifying nothing is because he is a cultural marxist who all pattern their writing and thinking on Sartes speed addicted ravings,( thats of course the bits his girlfriend didnt write) in fact quite a huge percentage of the postmodernists marxists deconstructionist etc were speed freaks and that is why their writing is so unintelligible that you can prank them so easily with jaberwocky. Its also why artfag is correct that he never proposes anything, as a nigger he knows thats too risky and as a commie he knows criticism and wreckage are his strategy. Axfag fools no one hes here hoping to distinguish himself from run of the mill nigger mimes, just like most of the detritus that joins nrx they want to edgy signal. In the age of mass every thing its hard for the average snow flake to find a niche that signals hes not like all the others.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Collen Ryan a.k.a. Choronzon a.k.a. The Rectifier (of names)

    Remember all those kike-compromised kiss-asses in the Fumigation thread that tossed rotten eggs at you, one called you an “out and out schizophrenic” lmao You’re more aligned with reality than anyone I know, not exaggerating; I know you don’t believe in God because the world has been hard on you (your daughter) but it’s been a divine gift conversing with you the last year (not to sound sentimental, I’m tough after all, definitely not a half-gay millennial). I miss some of those guys like Frank, Erebus, Aeroguy, etc. and it’s a shame our spam has banished them from this realm but there was a line they’d never cross. If any of you former poasters are reading this, Welcome to the Darker Enlightenment, too bad you couldn’t join us, it’s okay, I understand, you have pussies between your legs, I get it, carry on shilling with your brahmin associate contemporaries for shekels and renown, y’ought to be real proud to turn your back on the logos for kleos. You make me sick. “The sunshine he of a good name” N called it, yeah, you’re not going to gain one of those associating yourself with the chandalas down here. To Land’s credit he never blocked us, they do say the English are men of honour, maybe that is true – he kinda let us take him down here with us. Ahhh *stretches and yawns inside a wet dumpster on a hot day* I like it down here, I went to the academy to learn truth, didn’t get that, came here for truth, sorta got that, then Mike came along and I really got it. You better send Mike a Christmas card next year Land, don’t err like you did a couple weeks ago, err-er. Maybe you shoulda taken their advice though Mike and started your own blog, I always wonder if x post will be your last and that would be sad, I know you’re busy taking your mischling son to lots of Giants games to repair the broken connection between you two. I’m not too worried about being locked up for typing crap into a keyboard here (I have cliche but vivid anticipations of agents from the Matrix kicking my door down most days) I’m in a pretty nice state so I expect the convicts to be not so bad, New York on the other hand, I’d be worried if I were you. so closes the “Hymn to Mike”

    Wagner Reply:

    “Sartes speed addicted ravings,( thats of course the bits his girlfriend didnt write)”

    No Mike, it’s funnier that the opposite is true. Beauvoir wasn’t no strong independent woman because she labored within the horizon of her crypto-sovereign’s philosophy of freedom.

    Thanks for giving me this freedumb, daddy, thanks for giving me this freedumb, master. Daddy says we don’t have an essence, that must apply to wimminz too, thanks daddy.

    You can trigger tf out of feminists by pointing this out to them. Now that I think about it Sartre kinda opened the portal to a lot of the poz of today. Hate to be a 1 trick pony but I stress again, WW2 structured all of our lifeworlds; imagine if the Germans won and Heidegger had become le celebrity philosophy; there’s none of that radical freedom nonsense in his thought; H just wanted us to acknowledge the roles we played, not do away with those roles altogether. Roles, another way of saying “social constructs”. So you’re right to indicate that Artxell’s background thought-king is Sartre, and haha @ you that’s basically what Moldbug’s formalism is about: bringing to light background thought-kings – you’re a Moldbuggian!

    Wagner Reply:

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

    http://cdn8.openculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/sartre-che-smoke.jpg

    What I like about North Korea is at least they’re formalistic about their communism, it’s explicit – whereas the US is crypto-communist. The more AIACC becomes formalized in the American consciousness the more Americans will not want AIACC to be true. This makes me smile.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    ‘Cultural Marxism’ is still within the parameters of Occidental ideology. You’re not able to distinguish that, because you live in a “Logan’s Run” system implanted in your own mind; your horizons of apprehension are narrow and channellised according to the circuitry of Occidental ideology.
    Remember, I did say that you were so abysmally stupid, that you could not understand, you can’t actually see the “Damnation Alley” of your mind.
    One reason for that, is your intellectual inferiority, which is been clearly demonstrated, once again, on this post’s comments.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Can you tap dance with that song or maybe do some yoga for us?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    If you don’t got no rhythm, Collen, you don’t see no dance! lol
    The double negatives are logical.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    “History recounts that before or after dying he found himself in the presence of God and told Him: ‘I who have been so many men in vain want to be one and myself.’ The voice of the Lord answered from a whirlwind: ‘Neither am I anyone; I have dreamt the world as you dreamt your work, my Shakespeare, and among the forms in my dream are you, who like myself are many and no one.’”
    Borges

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  • Wagner Says:

    PSA PSA PSA

    Changed my mind, the best prank against the Synagogue wouldn’t be all the neo-not-sees openly discussing and practicing Qabbala, the best prank against the Synagogue would be all the neo-not-sees openly discussing and practicing Qabbala in never-breaking-character caricature-of-Zizek voices.

    My god, letch make jish happen, ladj.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/report-10-percent-of-amazons-ohio-workforce-on-food-stamps/

    And here we have one of our future techno futanari patchlords demonstrating how real capitalism is done.
    step one; fund cucks to lobby to let niggers like axfag into country so as not to seem to brazen
    step two; hire nigger at wages that cant possibly feed him let alone his migration chain.
    step three; fund cucks to organize nigger community to get niggers welfare supplements.
    step four; when some cucks complain this cost them jobs and now taxes deplatform racists
    step five;fund cucks to explain that economics is different this time debt is wealth
    step six; offer to monetize debt for cuck gov and take a commish
    step seven; when you pawn off cuck debt to cucks rip their faces off and laugh
    step eight; always buy from other countries and fund cucks to allow niggers from other countries to come to school here to learn how to make cheap imitations back home.
    step nine; when cuck land collapses move on. hey its future capitalism what did you think we told you it was different this time.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    gunga din If you would bother to go onto the twit feed for twits you will daily read Nick land back up wag and I there, you will see him daily find clever way of saying niggers are stupid and we don’t want none, without actually saying ‘niggers’. This allows him to keep saying it on the twit feed. Now its certainly a violation of the nrx principle of the reification of names, and wag and I must keep the niggger boundary clearly lit back here on Lands website for him while he stretches his marxist credentials to the twits to administer the protestant version of holy red pill eucharist the non nigger nigger talk.The transubstantiation of the red eucharist is though he says not the nigger word they verily receive the word nigger and reification is preserved.Its white magic a heathen wog wouldnt understand.suffice it to say you days serving the empire coding or whatever service work you do to get your paltry 60k and welfare for your migration chain who would have stoned you for you sodomite ways had you all remained back home, are soon to come to an end.
    wake the fuck up gungadin the entire euro diaspora has been arguing over what level of autonomous ethnostate we shall be restored to.The left is busy wearing vagina hats and producing now three television shows with transexual prepubescents, while the grownups are marching through the institutions.yes we have legacy resisters in seats of power still but surely even a dumb wog can see that cant last when the white people have finally had enough.Did you really tink in 50 years whites had lost the genetic will to live? its the very first line of code surely a codewog should understand that concept. we are the people that built the world. despite your we wuz kangs bullshit we like Gods imagined and brought forth all you see around you.Our temporary insanity about seeing you apes and women as equals was only because the alternative of having to exterminate you all was so dark, but alas we arrive at the “Darker Enlightenment” you will go home to calcutta and try to practice the things whites taught you and fail and be confused.

    What on earth do you think is going to happen that you and obama and puff diddy and bill gates are going off on a starship? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL you stupid filthy wog remember your place! you are a code wog its a simple task .0000000001% of your population can do rudimentarily code for 60k and we let the jews hire you but thats going to end because the unemployment of whites excuses have become so tired and absurd that whites are beginning to blow shit up and the jews are scared.you’re on your way home gunga din.

    Ill be honest being a white I have refined sensibilities and in unguarded moments when not on watch, I do feel sorry for the .000001% of niggers all the nigger types who have drawn genes that make them almost another species to their own fellow apes. It must be lonely. It must be really frustrating to think about how you could build a well or even a rudimentary hospital for your people if only you could make them understand enough to cooperate, and instead to have to rely on whites to do it all for you. Not to worry we are going to euthanize you so you needn’t suffer.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Seriously Gungadin explain how anything other than a white populist resurgence is the next step. prole whites have the power and have been fucked so long and hard they are now so pissed they are willing nay enjoying voting for people who literally sound like early hitler. They cheer on white cops gunning down uppity niggers. the kids are larping nazis all over the real and cyber worlds.
    land/moldbergs hope for techno capitalism coup is decades if not centuries from the tech they need to even be possible, yet would have had to be [proposed 30 years ago to not be seen as more globalist shit chinese junk for sale on credit. Like it or not the trajectory is going to be trad prole white and nationalist. affirmative action is going to the next proposal to eradicate. That alone ends niggers. in an actually free labor market niggers and women are USELESS. when niggers begin to understand that the only reason they have been allowed to make 60k a year is they were forced into the workforce at gunpoint and now they are useless welfare cases, they will chimp out. well guess what nigger whites are at peak nigger chimpout and will be put down soundly. Its over no more immigration and affirmative action. women already despite the hamster hats etc are fed up with all work and no babies they are going to love the idea of being supported by the real wage of white men not pressured by massive nigger immigration and affirmative action. even the faggots and jews are sick of niggers they will shut the fuck up.

    There simply is no path for anything but this. what might come after this is debatable.My guess is it will be a renaissance of yankee ingenuity. I would say we will stop the chinese coming to our universities and stealing our technology and we will begin to be the swing industrial producer again.we will in short be filling our own orders for everything and this will in a very short time cause china to implode.yeah india and the rest of nigger lands too.There will be a sort of techno futurism but it will be more like 1955 than 2055. Oh the tech will be nifty, but the zeitgeist will be classic americana.in twenty years people will be wondering WTF happened in that period from the 60s- ougties. and people will respond oh that was the jews allowed into the club we fixed that.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE SHOWN, THAT THE COLLENIC EVIL BE KNOWN!

    I didn’t say that he doesn’t agree with you, but he’s not stupid enough to argue a point which he can’t win.

    The capitalist machine that poverty-struck northern Europeans used to implement their militarised global order; construct colonial imperialism; fight two world wars with themselves; and create the present profit-generating consumer order; is the same machinery of addiction that governs their addled, Pavlov- configured, primitive instincts.
    I don’t expect you to truly understand the chaotic pinball machine of determinations you both live and think within. Everything you both criticise and propose is no more than a holding pattern, a generated artefact, the inculcation of those determinations. That’s one reason, why I call those like yourself, Occidental androids.

    Usually it’s the case with the West, which includes the Middle East, that they steal everyone else’s ideas and resources, and then build their prisons of obsession out of that, all the while blaming everyone else when their own plans invariably fail.

    There is a particular subset of the population in the USA, who have always been money-grabbing, warmongering, cheaters and cowards. It’s those people who financed Cromwell; who manipulated Great Britain into a war with France and Spain for their own covert, commercial purposes; made big profits out of that war; whilst landing the people of Great Britain with a huge tax bill of considerable millions; and absconded to the USA. It’s those people who are still at work, blaming everyone else, taking the profits for themselves.
    It’s always been the same story; those people and their minions like yourself, infiltrate every aspect of society in order to destabilise and profit; all the while pointing the finger at everyone else. Look at the fiasco with the US Post Office, and how the Republican party connived with its ‘Postal Accountability Enhancement Act (PAEA)’ –
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    “Congressional Republicans mandated that within 10 years the United States Postal Service would have to fully fund retirement health care benefits for the next 75 years. Or to put it more plainly, the Postal Service had a decade to fully fund the retirement health care benefits for future employees that will not even be born until 2057 at the earliest.
    Of course, if tea partiers succeed in repealing child labor laws (because we all know that little hands are better for cutting stamps) we can probably drop that year to the mid-2040s.

    Interestingly, this dreadful law holds a delicious bite of irony in that it requires government-funded universal health care benefits for Americans that will not be born for a generation.

    Imagine what the right would say if President Obama and the Democrats proposed legislation that required businesses and corporations to fully fund health care benefits for all of their current workers and workers who haven not even been born yet.

    Socialist. Communist. Marxist. Maoist. Pick any of the ists. They would call Obama a cartoonist if they thought it would kill the bill.

    The only reason we keep hearing so much about the Postal Service’s impending budget shortfall is because PAEA requires that on September 30 a down payment be made on the health care benefits of postal workers 75 years into the future. This law has forced the Postal Service into the red for two years running.

    In the end, Republicans know the Postal Service is a government agency that works well for Americans. And you know the GOP cannot have an example of good government floating around out there lest it get in the way of their political aspirations.

    Why let a self-funding government agency flourish when you can privatize it and make your corporate cronies even richer?” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karl-frisch/postal-service-cuts_b_961602.html
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    {AK}: All of this enables the Republicans to stockpile the publicly financed assets of the post office, which can then be asset-stripped for themselves; an undercover plunder, through a dishonestly constructed and represented privatisation. The Republicans imposed unreasonable pension fund legislation on the post office, precisely and deliberately in order to collect those public funds for themselves.

    You’ll never get 1955-land, if it’s not profitable for those people. Those people are basically people like yourselves, you and Waggy. Mixed-up, stupid, dishonest liars; so full of confused self-hate, they can’t think straight; the higher faculties are forever forbidden to them, their noses are always in the shit, and their minds follow suit with this nasal propriety.

    In the Global Village, there was a family of criminals called the Europeans, always feuding amongst themselves, they decided to go further afield to see what opportunities the rest of the world might have for them. Those shipping ventures took considerable investment, so were usually commercial, conducted for profit, or benefit. In those days, criminal activity was manual, requiring the presence of the thief at the location of the wealth to be purloined.
    Any Indian or Chinese ships around Europe? No! India and China were the richest countries in the world. They had everything they wanted, no need to send out for anything.
    It was Europe that wanted Asian goods, but lacked the gold and silver which would be accepted as payment. So why, then, were European ships loitering around Asia?
    Free samples? Yoga courses? No!
    They did have lots of guns, though, and the Asians didn’t, so much.
    Why did they poke their noses into the political scene? To give advice? No! Both India and China had produced advanced treatises on statecraft many centuries ago.
    Or were they waiting for an opportunity? Were they “casing the joint”? (To be continued)

    There’s a lot of people, not only in the USA, but all over the world, who think that a bit of ‘Lite Fascism’ is ok; that it’s the ‘Right’ thing to do; that with it, the ‘trains run on time’; or that it’s bit of a joke. They think all of these things, as long as they are not the ones affected by it; or as long as they believe their group affiliation controls it.
    Under the guise of the personal right to ‘have an opinion’, they do their best to smuggle in the fears of their personal prejudices as legitimate concerns, whilst never conceding any effort whatsoever to actual and effective understandings. Selfishness, profit, and power, are commonly cited as ‘drivers’ for this state of affairs. If so, then it should be accknowledged that these ‘drivers’ were institutionalised into legitimacy a long time ago, and that it should be no surprise if a ‘consumer culture’ based on such legitimations has led to a fragmentation of political consciousness and an abdication from any sense of effective responsibility in the wider vistas of social interaction.
    There’s one question I’ve never heard anyone ask. If the ‘people’ are ‘bad’, is a ‘good man or woman’ the best leader for them? It’s certainly not ‘right’, as any kind of ‘democratic representation, because it isn’t actually representative. It might not be right as good leadership, because fundamentally the ‘good leader’ would be at odds with a ‘bad people’, resulting in internal confusion.
    One has to ask what is expected of a ‘good leader’? To be the ‘good’, hypocritical veneer, of the basically ‘Lite Fascist’ ‘people’? Is that the ‘American Dream’?

    The ‘American Dream’ has always had those people as its dark side. What’s happening now, is that the Internet is making the two sides and their relation increasingly obvious. The dark side cannot hide anymore, so it comes out full fledged with all its self-hatred, attempting to sow as much chaos as possible, to create those dark crevices once again in which it used to hide and manipulate. Because in the clear light of the sun, it’s inferiority can no longer be hidden.

    Everyone can see you, Collen, in the clear light of day.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    First you’re definitely a run of the mill commie minority with the typical commie understanding of economics and minority gimmee morality. But before i school you i will give you that there surely is a type of white that cares more for money than his nation people culture, its the type that conspires with jews etc.

    And while this in no way persuades me to follow you down the road to socialist serfdom and ruin;if you had been paying the slightest attention to what i have been saying for half a decade here, then you would know that it has convinced me that capitalism must be critiqued from the right, which will lead to its subordination to the culture that sustains the people and their nations.It will also more closely follow the right ism of carlyle etal.

    To be extra clear since i am dealing with a commie nigger who wants free shit, socialism is equally destructive to the volk.The volk need hard work and instant feedback to bad behavior. They don’t need jew porn or debt monetization, pirated chinese junk or indians laughably incompetent attempts at trying to sort their software and corporate call centers. The worst part of niggers in ones nations in it causes an inability to hold ones own to ones higher standards, the left wont allow it because it would highlight the utter uselessness of non whites if only whites were summarily kicked off the dole.

    As for youre little peeve about republicans and the post office, well wait lets stop for a moment and ask WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN FOR FIVE YEARS CONFLATING NRX ME AND THE CUCKSERVATIVE GOP??????????? I am in NO WAY A REPUBLICAN PARTY RUNNING CUCK>
    That said I know a little about ERISA and the fed govt pension guarantee obligation. “Fully Funded” means that if every employee retired today under the existing rules of the pension plan the plan has enough assets to cover the obligations incurred. In other words that the plan is not running a Ponzi scheme whereby member contributions that are supposed to be in an account under the members name for the members use are NOT being used instead to pay current retirees because current retirees payments were long ago spent or current retirees are being paid in excess of their contributions.
    Now i fully understand to a commie nigger this translates as

    “Imagine what the right would say if President Obama and the Democrats proposed legislation that required businesses and corporations to fully fund health care benefits for all of their current workers and workers who haven not even been born yet.”

    because in nigger economics Ponzi schemes are the norm. And BTW the fed does require every pension plan to annually undergo audits for just that they have the choice if solvent enough to partition off the money already collected under the terms already agreed to and inform members from here on out future contributions will yield such and such, or they can send a notice they are in critical status and that future contributions may only yield such and such but with the option of increased contributions from members for period of time negotiated with govt current payouts may remain if they manage to emerge from critical status successfully market conditions withstanding.

    The post office is not a model of government success it is in fact a nigger affirmative action success and has been operating at a deficit for decades.Congress does not simply fund it because they understand the utter shiftlessness of niggers is infinite and whatever they are given they will waste also.at least UPS can manage its nigger plantation because the UPS niggers do not vote their bosses into office. To make matters worse they have allowed Bezos to use it as a discount last mile delivery service for less than cost but more than the actual work is worth. Thus the post office gets enough cash to keep the niggers in flat screens and hair weaves and Bezos gets the service at what its worth, apparently though hes not happy and is building his own last mile organization- good riddance.
    should the USG have govt mail service?NONONO no govt should have one more employee than it absolutely needs, government employment is moral hazard.And if that means I must pay $2.50 for the UPS version of snail mail that I use maybe twice a month then so be it. BTW Methinks axfag is actually a postal service affirmative action case as well as a homsexual. wow artx youre so read mary. I wonder while youre in youre little postal uniform do you pine to get home and change into your hegira garb.

    AS to the second part of your diatribe its textbook leftist garbage thinking lies about how we wuz kangs and evil whitey housed all our ideas and treasure and theyre so stupid and evil yada yada… Didn’t you tell us all last year how you indians invent guns and rockets? so how is it that europeans were able to use them to steal your what is it you claim to have invented the Zero. You know no one believes all that the indians invented zero and the muslims invented algebra crap anymore than we believe the pharaohs were niggers, do you not understand what I meant when yesterday i called you a nigger mime, thinking you cleverly imitate us meanwhile youre using the big words all wrong and citing nation of islam and israel historians. We took your country because we could and its what killer apes do. we could take it again tomorrow but its no longer worth the bother. You would again be better off if we did and ran your nation for you. The only ones stealing ideas and resources is non whites look down at the shoes and clothes you wear, the house you are in the technology you use the language you speak about the ideas you think you understand its all western. 90% of you non whites would not exist if not for us, and those that did would be living as you did 80,000 years ago sitting in the mud slapping flies and popping them in your mouth.

    As for Land of course hes “stupid enough to argue the point” it is the point HBD equals white mans burden unsustainable, time to jettison third world to dustbin of history is the NRX core belief. All the rest is hand waving to attract the jews they hope to recruit, sadly as I said they are a couple three decades to late and the jews are sluggish and the white boys are not waiting for nrx to align with history they missed the boat. NRX will reboot or become passe.
    1950s is a indicator what we are simply talking about is white men running white nations again. all the shit you and the nrx jews want to try and throw on top of that simple proposition is just your wanting to try and stop history so you can get involved on your terms, but those days are over. jews and niggers are not going to decide anything anymore. You might have pulled it off you definitely overreached and jumped the shark and hastened in the storm troopers.I think it was inevitable but who to say one things for certain whites are simply fed up even liberal whites are at peak nigger. leftism has no mechanism to stop ratcheting. Its not going to dictate terms of its surrender its being laughed out of the room.

    So white men are going to just stop tiptoeing around trying to be nice to the defectives and start getting shit done, this is going to be explosively self reinforcing there’s going to be these moments where people will realize how insane we had become. Look how easily an idiot like trump was able to start the economy and start to bitch slap the niggers of the world.

    How are you going to stop this? youre going to say no white trash vote with the niggers for more welfare? or no white vote for the jew billionaires to own the nation and you so you can bejust like a real nigger? White men are the only competences we also have all the guns we already are in charge of everything, and we are fed up with this nigger women crap its humiliating to have our name on this shit and its become so unprofitable for the average white man that we would rather go through the hassle of changing the rulers than put up with it another minute. No ones gonna be able to stop that . what some faggot jew new york times writer is going to stop this> maybe you think you or some biutches inpussy hats can stop this. People back the strong horse, the smart jews already know what time it is and are hoping they can stay if they behave.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re talking a load of shit, Collen, and you know that very well.

    The “Fully Funded” condition of asset sufficiency to cover retirement costs of present day employees, has nothing to do with the demand for asset sufficiency covering employees 75 years in the future, who haven’t even been born yet. So, right there, you’re talking a ‘crock of shit’ as as you Americans say.
    You’re also lying. The post office has been in deficit for two years, since it was burdened with excessive retirement fund obligations, said burden being deliberately placed there in order to create a huge cash reserve that could be asset-stripped on privatisation. I said all this in the last comment, anyway.
    The post office made a profit; affirmative action made a profit; but we all know over here exactly what stupid, malevolent, lying peasants with huge ambition, but no ability, can’t compete in an even playing field, so couldn’t allow that to carry on.
    Only the other day, you were recommending that the post office charge Jeff Bezos more. Today, now that your associating the post office with Afro-Americans and affirmative action, you trot out the big-government-is-bad arguments, with no actual evidence, in this specific case. You’re such a dweeb, as they say.

    Using British forces to tame the USA, with affirmative action. Taking the gold and silver of that land, was affirmative action. Getting Britain into a war with France and Spain, and absconding with the profits to the USA, was affirmative action. All of these things were affirmative actions supporting a circus-like mimetic replay of European culture, according to the desires of religious zealots, criminals, and mercenary profiteers. No wonder you’re in such a mess, and Trump exemplifies that very, very well.
    The problem with you people is that you’re so narcissistic and insecure, you can’t bear to be confronted with the fact that your tiny little world has been constituted from forces outside of the petty concerns your exclusively obsessed with. This leads to hysterical paranoia; outrageous claims; and outright lies. All of which you’re very good at, Collen.

    I said Indians invented rockets, not guns.
    The rest of your shit is not worth responding to.

    One thing you’re right about, is that the entire USA is run as a Ponzi scheme. That’s becoming clearer, as time goes on. But people like you, Collen, are central in that scheming.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Correction “you’re exclusively obsessed with”

    collen ryan Reply:

    God youre a moron.

    Look Im not going to argue about the US post office its insolvency has been a disgrace in the USA for decades. I did and do object to Bezos being given below post office operating cost shipping rates, but for two reasons. and if you understood economics you would see theirs no contradiction. The concept is cash flow. The post office is losing money ultimately on the bezos business but is generating cash flow that keeps it from having to face the politicians again and explain its insolvency and ask again for more welfare. If the post office were the model of nigger economics that you claim then privatizing it will be no problem everyone will still be able to maintain their current level of affirmative action nigger productivity and the new owners will enjoy the profits you claim are being stripped away by who exactly? but thats not the case and you know it the niggers are lazy incompetents that cant be fired and if it were privatized half of them would be sacked and replaced with robots made by white men. which is why you are afraid of losing your job. Of course i object to Bezos or any so called capitalist getting any free anything from the government, at least unless we are crystal clear its a temporary situation to accomplish a new economic model like say the no tax on internet commerce we had for a while which also made Bezos the richest man in the world. That said as i understand it even at the five fingered discount Bezos is getting he doesn’t feel its actually worth even that and is working on his own last mile systems.
    If it makes you feel any better i think even though 95% of mail is junk its still a service we like and we will find ways to maintain it. Its pretty clear internet shopping is here to stay i have packages delivered daily most people delivered increaingly often theres no reason letters couldnt be piggy backed onto the systems that will continue to deliver packages. Bezos isnt the only free loader most mail is junk and also is getting a discount as are the price of stamps. the way to get to the truth and reality is privitization.

    collen ryan Reply:

    One thing you’re right about, is that the entire USA is run as a Ponzi scheme. That’s becoming clearer, as time goes on. But people like you, Collen, are central in that scheming.”

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    Im not central in that scheme I am definitely a net taxpayer. And an extremely productive citizen even a philanthropist

    our annual debt however equals what we pay out in welfare, but that is just the fraction of what diversity costs. diversity costs probably ten times that in lost productivity and lost opportunity.both from affirmative action and our best and brightest whites working not in terraforming mars but as nigger apologists. the entire legal system from civil courts full of nigger and jew lawsuits to the entire criminal system courts prisons parole immigration is 90% niggers or the result of not being able to any longer culturallly control our own because of the presense of niggers and jews.
    the insurance industry the education and medical industries all are burdened by niggers to crippling degrees.our entire government is run by niggers from the post office to the IRS and local governments are all make work for nigger programs

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re talking a load of shit, Collen, and you know it.
    I agree with you about the spam, it costs the world $50 billion a year to get rid of it.
    The issue is not public versus privatisation. It’s doing the job, as stated, without corruption.
    The reality is that both public and private have been compromised by corruption.
    Insofar as you want to blame particular ethnic groups, you are only serving that corruption, in both larger and less senses. You’re incapable of understanding that now, and perhaps always will be, but nevertheless that is the case, as I have stated.

    Wagner Reply:

    “You’re all inferior and hate yourselves, *therefore* me and my monkeypeople belong in your country.”

    Rohme, O Rohme, where art thou O Rohme, with thy pooper-scooper? We have a bit of a non sequitur mess to pick up here.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, In ethnic terms, if you want to go all ‘homeland’ about it, you don’t belong in America. The USA does not belong in America.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Follow that logic the next step and the injuns don’t belong in America, apparently America belongs to the birds and bugs.

    Wagner Reply:

    America belongs to the noble buffalo. Before those crafty Indians with their bigoted bow and arrow technology subjugated them all they did was roam around the plains peacefully. The noble buffalo deserves to run the casinos in this country as reparation for oppression.

    collen ryan Reply:

    kekekekekekekekekek

    what is good in life

    collen ryan Reply:

    i specioust terms ( punjab def intended) the injins who genocided the woolly mammoth and several other species. But its good you point out the difference between how a savage people expands into needed land and how a white people expands only in as far as needed. In hindsight its now clear this overly christian care for subhuman hominid species in the lands we expanded into was a mistake. It was so incredibly expensive to us in the long run we would be better off making do. And it was no favor to the nigger races exposing them to technology and ideas they simply cant handle. you know the start trek think about that well ax they mean you and your people and the other niggers were ruined by white technology. As I have said at this point its best to reduce all of you to game park size herds keeping only the best specimens of the least tainted by western exposure. Perhaps even lobotomizing the elders or pulling their tongues so they can raise a new generation without passing on what they witnessed. This way they will just think the drones that keep them within the parks are gods or strange animals.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You misunderstand, again, Waggy. There’s no moral argument involved. I don’t need one. Your argument is against multiculturalism. It’s reasonable to assume that your proposed monoculturalism is contingent on the notion of geospatial proximity. Each alleged monoculture in its own space. Therefore, even before any notion of ethical rights to such a space, a more important question needs to be considered.
    The question would be one of origination. In what geospatiality did a given ethnolinguistic and ethnocultural community arise? Whatever the play of various state forms and imperialisms over that territory; the corresponding variations of language; there might occasionally be a sense in which ethnolinguistic and ethnocultural community can be said to have fairly stable relations of continuity with a particular geographical area. The pertinent point would be that the languages and cultures involved for the most part were formed in and by that area. They belong to that area, as much as that area belongs to them.

    This is something that Native Americans have in America, but really no one else does. The USA doesn’t belong to the land, in the way that the Native American does.
    This is why Native Americans experience far more injustice in the present day, if statistics are to be believed, then any other group. It also explains the hysteria, insanity, and overall irresponsibility, of the USA. This is why some, not all, USA Americans are always so desperate to justify themselves, because they’re not sure of their place. The land is very forgiving, but not of those who don’t really care for it, and are callous exploiters through and through. Those types will never be at peace. They need war to justify themselves.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    “It’s reasonable to assume that your proposed monoculturalism is contingent on the notion of geospatial proximity. Each alleged monoculture in its own space. Therefore, even before any notion of ethical rights to such a space, a more important question needs to be considered.
    The question would be one of origination. In what geospatiality did a given ethnolinguistic and ethnocultural community arise?”

    Nothing of the sort is reasonable to assume, its you thats is still clinging to outdated enlightment white slave morality, stiff upper lip ideals of fair play. you still dont get the FIRST FUCKING THING ABOUT NRX ALT RIGHT ETC>

    ITS about biological reality, there is no fucking morality no natural law no english court to appeal your salt strike rights to. There is the raw power of white men to take what is theirs- EVERYTHING IS THEIRS.Because we can, that is what gives us the right. Maybe we really do need rhome to spank your faggot ass youde both enjoy that huh?
    You need to read up on property rights, yeah skip the last 5000 years and go back to the beginning. It is written in our DNA By ANY means necessary survive reproduce.
    And this is the cruz again of what went wrong we applied an agreement among whites constructed to make business more profitable and let jews work over a couple generations of effette faggots who who forgot what it took to get where we are and the jews convinced these faggots that outsiders are part of the social contract CUCK CUCK CUCK. The social contract is for whites only to further whites interests its not a universal constant for niggers to exploit. you have no standing in our system. THis is all because we let the fucking jews in and they insidiously twist things over generations.

    American indians have no ,ore right to america than indians have to the sub continent, its all ours you exist at out pleasure. The moment you can no longer afford our goods youre gone we will repopulate the joint with productive whites who can afford our goods.

    god youre a moron american indians moral right to america yeah right

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    What did I say?
    “There’s no moral argument involved. I don’t need one. ”
    So why are you still going on about morality?
    It’s because of that intellectual inferiority, isn’t it?

    The ‘geospatial culture language origins and relations’ argument has nothing to do with ethical considerations. If it’s moral, it’s only moral in the sense that moralis means customary. So it has nothing to do with rights.
    The problem with people from the USA, is they go on and on about rights; they hallucinate them in their sleep. So very boring. But it’s a historical artefact of the mixture of religious zealotry, criminality, and mercenary extortions. The fevered, peasant rejects of Europe, all collected together in a desperate hysteria of ever more ridiculous justifications.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Axy
    if you yearn so much for white validation you’re in the wrong hardware store looking for oranges.
    Land is no more going to apologize for the Raj than other British Marxist like Hitchens would apologize to the sand niggers. they may be commies but they are still Englishmen.
    Land cant throw us off his website ( well he can on an ego basis but he cant defend it) and doesn’t because he is smart enough to know his little philosophy project supports us, in fact is based on us. With out HBD moldberg is just a millionaire yuppie tech jew claiming he should rule the world as absolute owner of all mankind. Now whos going to go for that? Do I need to play the video again of him trying to present it to fellow hipster faggots without all the juicy racist bits? No land gets how arguments work and what is integral and while he would prefer to not dwell on the ugly bit because redpilling hipster faggots is a delicate operation, he cant exactly destroy the foundation. If you had read Moldberg you would know these things, you would like him he very hipster faggy like you and funny and intelligent. Anyway he spends a lot of time on why the enlightenment must go- hint because it was wrong fundamentally so. Do you know which bit is the really problematic bit? “All men are created equal” This is the exact place where western civilization goes off the rails. this is the heart of darkness the Dark Enlightenment. Now obviously every single man has a theoretical place in the spectrum of abilities, but HBD goes much deeper than mere cognitive or other abilities it goes to all sorts of traits that make for or destroy civilization.And its makes the groundbreaking assertion that even if a given group of hominids has equal abilities they are not necessarily compatible with another group or groups. Thus did land red pill me on the JQ. Which led me to realize the chinese question is going to be a thousand times more existential, and that women are perhaps the biggest problem of all. You see we whites have immense issues before us and simply have no more time for niggers you are simply not worth another second or dollar you must go. Now i realize you are hoping to make the case( because you are so dense you just missed what i said) That because there might be a white man somewhere theoretically dumber than you that you should get his spot in whitopia. Sadly this is not to be, it doesnt work that way, because of the reason just given. But also if you think about it that idea is what we already have and is such a disaster. but also because if we allowed a white cognitive signalling spiral eventually we end up with only the smartest guy in the white world all alone and something tells me hes not very good at fighting. so land is not offering prole white spots to niggers on elysium. he just cant be explicit about this anti asian thing while you know living on the cheap an academics life in china. So the answers no youre not coming and yes all the whites are. Thats not to say we may not cull a few or at least straighten them out and begin a breeding program.
    As i was saying if you are really so desperate for a white mans affirmation thats you are more than a nigger may i suggest this excellent website where anyone who is not a sub saharan african may join in fraternal solidarity sharing nigger jokes and stories, They have a strict policy against any wog kike camel jockey etc jokes and all are welcome to vent on the damnable black nigger. http://www.niggermania.com/ Artxnal you will be welcomed there as if you were white I know its not the same as getting an actual englishman to say you are not a bloody nigger wog but couldn’t you settle for some redneck americans embrace as a non nigger?.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    so lets talk about what has to change. what went wrong

    we have talked about capiotalism having been as destructive as socialism we can continue that but what else

    christianity has to go. its worse even than the enlightenment with its all men are gods children and the least is the greatest.
    Its also a threat to order setting itself above the state and law.
    its for a few hundred years now a universal religion open to any nigger who claims to be saved.
    its also an irrational superstition setting itself up as a higher truth utter nonsense but man seems to have a “religious gene” so once indoctrinated doublethink is no problem. we cant have a hyper rational state and an irrational religion, this is why i propose nazism of a sorts be the religious replacement, its the only thing with as strong instinct and its impossible to entry a race you dont really belong to. but whatever christianity has to go.

    the women problem. its tough I think i dont think the islamic model is really right jims thinks its not harsh enough any thoughts.

    of course we have the whole democracy vs nothing but hand waves issue love to here actual concrete solutions that could actually be implemented without 23rd century technology. My proposal is only adult white men who are net tax payers or veterans can participate, its familiar it appeals to the old slave morality its technically still the law and most importantly it recognizes the people that have the power anyway.

    what else

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I must say, you’re very good at your job. State-of-the-art! Somehow you found a way of combining the respective outputs from your local sewer system, and hospital for the criminally insane, managing to pipe the mixture straight onto the comment section of this blog!
    Obviously, you fitted a similar system straight into Trump’s brain.

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    Wagner Reply:

    The problem with Jim is he’s a Trump-schmoozer, like many on the alt-right, including King BAP. I love Jim, love Trump, love BAP, but Moldbuggism proper wants nothing to do with any of that. Moldbug himself as I mentioned before I suspect of giving Trump blumpkins, so “do as I say not as I do” with him I guess. When you involve yourself with democratic politics you become a moron, by necessity. Even we’re involved right now by having this discussion – my only defense is at least I feel dirty for it, you all don’t seem to notice the dirt involved in playing this game. But like I said, most of the bigbrain frogs and NRxers are Machiavellians so they wouldn’t admit that anyway – I’m a Nietzschean so I believe all the truth should be on the table, thus I admit it, foolhardy as it may be.

    Mike I think a problem you and I have regarding Artxell is our Christian genes make us see him as a human being even when he’s not; we should just scrap that impulse, honestly.

    Regarding woman I think the white sharia meme that floats around is a pure larp; well, I take that back: that would mesh well with the consciousnesses of many proles, but for me at least, I’ve been with a couple Persian girls and they’re fun to fuck and all but as far as wife-material, nah. The other day I gave this little asian girl some light compliment and she exclaimed “Oh!” and clapped her hands together to her heart; whereas if I said it to a white girl she would’ve turned her nose up at me. Søren will read this in Heaven and hate me for it but, no chase no reward. Our women evolved some degree of feminism, I like em catty and cruel, maybe I’m just fucked up in the head Idk, but I like a woman who keeps me on my toes; a totally submissive woman turns me off; again, fun to fuck but that’s it. The proles will probably think a little differently on this but what the PUA losers call “shit-tests” I just see as enjoyable, the term shit-test itself is spawned from a butthurt loser mindset. White men have evolved to some extent from their women being cunts to them, I kinda like cunts, again maybe I’m just a sado-masochist who needs to see a doctor Idk, I just don’t like my women docilely bovine. And yeah no shit feminism is a huge problem, one of the “Big 3”, but spasmodically reacting with demands for white sharia is just retarded. Maybe for the chuckling dumbasses that constitute what Artxell rightly calls “the all-trite” that would work but uh I’ll pass personally. Yeah the chuckling dumbasses will call me a betacuck for this, I just think you guys are butthurt losers who can’t handle bantz from women so resort to drastic measures, sorry! Had your balls chopped off one too many times, that’s my diagnosis of you.

    RE: Christianity: it’s obfuscatory to phrase it that way. Christianity is already gone, we have a secular faith in compassion now, it’s Progressivism, not Christianity that has to go. Your tactic of shedding morality and going full-Darwinism (such is the consensus at Jim’s blog it seems) is naive. What we need is a more moral morality. It’s more compassionate to let the weak die off so that the strong can grow stronger. The weak hold the strong back, this is what is immoral. You really don’t shed morality anyway, you just smuggle in crypto-morality. Like I’ve told you before, “survival” begs the question of “why” survive. Why survive? It’s GOOD to survive, e.g. There’s always morality, it’s an always-already, it’s one with the human condition, it will probably be one with the AI condition (the latter in some highly bizarre form). You said the other day philosophy is dead, physics lives in its place. Physics and Darwinism, and any “science” is only concerned with Is. Without an Ought there is no reason to e.g. start up an ethnostate, without an Ought there is no reason to shove Sartres in lockers, etc. If you somehow infer and Ought from the Is of physics you’re dealing with morality, and if you infer an Ought from the Is of physics you’re not really dealing with physics proper anymore.

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    Wagner Reply:

    On the other hand RE: women: I do have a bit of an Asian fetish, I have to confess. We need something between Asian and white. Some of the frogs are resigning to the fate of wifing up Hapa broads – eh. I think we should just let Trumpian incivility soak into the American psyche and in a couple years we’ll be able to make smiting women great again (without getting fired for it, e.g) and we can tame our women back into quasi-submissiveness. One of the things I really want to bring back is fat-shaming, I have to really control myself when I see a fat bitch eating bacon or cake or something like that. Hopefully in the next few years we’ll be able to make pig-noises at them when we see that without any penalty.

    REEEEEEk REEEEEEEEEEEEk

    (I have a great pig impression IRL, I’ve been practicing since high school)

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    Wagner Reply:

    If we’re going to talk about IDEALS though, a wife like Yeats’s is the kind I’m shooting for:

    “STARING AT MIRACLE”

    “On the afternoon of October 24th, 1917, four days after my marriage, my wife surprised me by attempting automatic writing. What came in disjointed sentences, in almost illegible writing, was so exciting, sometimes so profound, that I persuaded her to give an hour or so day after day to the unknown writer, and after some half dozen such hours offered to spend what remained of life explaining and piecing together those scattered sentences. ‘No,’ was the answer, ‘we have come to give you metaphors for poetry.’”

    Yeats and his wife continued to pursue this extraordinary experience over the course of the next seven years, and Yeats recorded the results in 1925 in A Vision. Mrs. Yeats’ efforts at automatic writing led to the conscious formulation of an elaborate system of actively related opposites, providing Yeats with something in which he could finally believe, something that left his “imagination free to create as it chose.”

    The system of supernaturally revealed images of A Vision gave Yeats both a method by which he was able to categorize humanity and a method for dealing with history. Eventually, too, Yeats did find in these communications the metaphors for poetry he had been promised. Explaining as it does the sources and significances of such recurrent images and themes as “the anti-self,” “gyres,” and “the phases of the moon,” A Vision is essential to any understanding of many of his most notable poems. It also contains some of the most penetrating and beautiful prose that Yeats ever wrote.

    This Collier edition contains all of Yeats’ final revisions, including the major addition to the second edition, “A Packet for Ezra Pound.”

    From A Vision:

    https://imgur.com/a/XhlZ3

    “Taken in relation to the wheel, the diamond and the hour-glass are two pulsations, one expanding, one contracting. I can see them like jelly fish in clear water.”

    W. B. Yeats: Not A Normie

    While we’re on the subject of Yeats though, this may be of some relevance:

    “That Yeats was attracted to the Fascists is indisputable. He criticized them in occasional detail, mainly because he thought them entirely wrong in sponsoring large families, but generally they caught his imagination; he seems to have traced a straight line between Fascism and old-world charm. Still, he could not be more than a tourist in Fascist Italy. This is Pound’s meaning, I think, in a passage from Thrones:

    “But the lot of ‘em, Yeats, Possum, Old Wyndham
    had no ground to stand on
    Black shawls still worn for Demeter
    in Venice,
    in my time,
    my young time.”

    Pound is saying that the trouble with Yeats, Eliot, and Lewis in their political sentiments is that their feelings are not grounded in their soil, whereas the Fascists are expressing the genuine Italian tradition, the genius of their place. There is a lot to be said for this view, incidentally. Eliot himself warned that sound political thought in one country cannot be built upon political facts in another: for his own part, I might mention, he is on record as saying that Fascism, considered as a political faith, is humbug. In Ireland, Yeats’s cordiality to the Blueshirts was certainly an attempt to sponsor an authoritarian movement that would utter “the speech of the place.””
    Denis Donoghue, William Butler Yeats

    collen ryan Reply:

    I def get the chase thing breaking high IQ jeweses into sniveling crying piles of broken …. i digress. But you know in the long run those were the relationships that led to hell. a couple decades ago i started asking guys what kind of women they like and found its always the same. we like them feminine and we mean submissive when we say that not grovelling but not trying to outcompete you and argue etc. we like them to be supported of our play. Obvious flirtation is chase is by definition not totally submissive, but if you think about it part of the fun is we know they want to be caught we know they enjoy being taken “against their will”
    Agree the white islam thing doesn’t seem right, but im always about whats going to work sustainably, how did we get from then to now. to me jims islamophilia is like the technocapitalism it certainly addresses the current excesses but kind of fails to admit what the excesses were that led to the current overswing.Or as I say HBD is only being considered selectively. Yes whites have always had higher status for our women, and yet in cold climates …. If we are honest women have always had plenty of power. when Gibbon is not blaming christianity for the fall of Rome he is blaming women.Women have always in whitopia been delegated certain areas of responsibility and most men will listen to and consider a woman’s perspective when making a decision. But until very recently it was understood they had not the capacity to make the decisions a civilization had to make to survive. though as with all populations there have been exceptions but those exceptions were granted not assumed greater autonomy. women as leaders have usually been place holders until suitable male heirs can again rule and to avoid a war in the meantime.
    I keep saying whites have a low tolerance for suffering in others for what we perceive as injustice ( which has been manipulated as we have moved away from harsh nature to jew insidiousness as our guide) so i say we need systems that take into account whites propensity for righting things. I don’t think whites have any problem whatsoever with women being submissives its as plain to us as day, none of us are really comfortable with feminism. we do have a problem with oppression real oppression not the BS type. The rub of the problem is how to police oppression to avoid a over reaction to oppression like feminism. One place to start is to wonder if at about the time of feminism beginning was oppression a real thing in all classes or was it only really in the lower classes that were also experiencing other social standard inadequacies, in other words had the project to bring all white classes up to upper whites standards proceed without the interference of the jews etal would the problem have resolved itself? Its tricky because 4g war will use whatevers at hand so if upper class women did want mre freedom they may have pointed at lower class women being legally beaten by drunken husbands, or it could be that it was just idle upper class women wanting to solve a problem they didnt have but could countenance.or a number of other things. Then you need to see can law solve this or must it be cultural. i think law has been very problematic when trying to uniformly solve problems with little uniformity

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I’m sorry to have to tell you this, Waggy, but that ‘pig impression’ seems to be stuck to you. What did Dali say, about being a genius? You seem to have chosen a ‘pig’, or at least your derogatory idea of a pig, as what seems to have become an over-successful modelling.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    If it is the case that the Occident axiomatically follows a homogenising logic of identity and ‘sameness’; with the cliched corollaries of homosexuality and misogyny, then Yeats’ use of his wife as an auto(mated) doorway to difference would be in accord with such a logic. Yeats is mated to himself (auto), but mediates beyond himself through his wife, who through being deprived of herself, functions as an antenna and writing instrument of Yeats’ self-inscription.

    Ironically, the entire output of the All-trite, Neoreaction, etc., can be read as a kind of automatic bigotry; the stream of a dis-eased, pathological Occidental consciousness.

    collen ryan Reply:

    Ditto on Jim and trump I used to keep telling him how ludicrous it was to think trumps playing 3D chess. New yorkers like me have known trump forever hes exactly what he seems. Yes quite possible moldberg is whispering in trumps ear through theil, but Trumps a very old fashioned simple guys moldberg cant really get anything moldberian through to trump. Except that trump already is contemptuous of democracy as most leaders are as i would be if i were a president, hes trying to act as a CEO but not because NRX because leaders just always do that unless somehow you get a faggot nigger community organizer electer somehow which can only happen once the deep state starts orchestrating things.

    I dont know about this anti democracy thing. My ideas about how ultimately organize aside.its not just you and I and moldberg but land on twitter and the entire alt right we are all breaking the NPAP. That says something, I like to look at what is actually happening when trying to discern reality. The entire NRX and its offshoot are political. why because its the most direct way to execute our interests outside war. which is of course why we came up with it. Now we have this new concept of 4g war, and i find it really hard to actually see where the line between 4g war and politics is,and its called 4g war because others cant see the line between it and war war.
    I suppose you can say oh well its the two party thing we are talking about, they are really the same so youre damned either way. But the game thats being played is not two party. over the past 50 years we have slowly come to understand the two parties were a farce. and we used to just discard parties and invent new ones.and europe has dozens.so no one playing politics in the USA is playing two part politics, their may still be a few people who fit in whatever definition of republican or democrat you have and plenty more who find it convenient to use one or the other as a vehicle to effect their particular interests but almost no one is any longer one of the two parties.And the old weapons of the parties are changing. no more ward bosses.

    so say your an NRX and you have this ultimate goal of patchdom, you cant just do nothing and hope like moldberg prescribes because we all know that model isn’t going to happen spontaneously. you could put together a intelligence service and wage 4g war in all sorts of ways.But you’re a hipster faggot that isn’t about to risk your life and sacred honor for anything.so either you accept that nrx is nothing but a larpy blog, or you enter the fray. you might support a president who is more pro capitalist and race realist and contemptuous of both committee and the tactics of the cathedral propaganda. You might support certain technological advances that distribute power knowledge technology and thereby weaken government, you might support exit in all forms or only some forms. you might support certain cultural movements against the cathedral. you might do these things in many ways and never bother to register to vote.Is this politics or 4g war?

    As you know I think this nrx faggot position of become worthy to rule by sitting on your ass blogging is stupid and typical millennial hipster. Heres a project Im working on for instance. I hate to talk out loud about these things you never know whos reading, but when i say go to war and you all say the seals will shoot me in the woods….. this is one type of thing i mean
    There are about a dozen fraternal organizations eagles elks mason oddfellows vfw etc they are desperate for young blood because atomization and time have decimated their ranks to guys in their 60s and up and their wives. If you talk to them they will tell you walk right in and take over in a few years. These organization not only have a lot of wealth in real estate and philanthropic enterprises. But that’s only a fraction of their value they have billions of dollars of social capital. They are up and running legal enterprizes in every small town in america legally owned and operated by white men only they have excellent street cred in everywhere america they were too boring for the jews to infiltrate they are their for the taking. all you need to do is get a two or three bright right thinking younger guys to show up and join. they actually have a lot to offer like golf courses nightclubs campgrounds where these new guys can utilize for their families as they were intended, meanwhile they are gently steering these huge philanthropic enterprises towards white nationalism or nrx or whatever you wish to call it.the old codgers are pretty alt right anyway though im sure plenty are pretty cucky as well but as long as you dont show up all neo nazi and play the long game you end up controlling these places by default, their philanthropy is mostly local but they all kick up to the national level where they have hospitals and things. is that war or politics?

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re trying to anchor yourself in the distinction between ‘ought’ and ‘is’. It’s okay as a practical, operational distinction, but there are problems with its absolutisation, if relied on too much. There is a danger of it becoming a conceptual ghetto.
    Mainly because of two reasons. The notion of ‘is’, in practical positioning terms, is highly problematic; there is no determinable and quantifiable, delimited ‘is’. You can’t take it for granted, Friedrich Nietzsche at least should have taught you that, even though he has his own fixations. But the task is not to slum in Nietzsche, all of that is known and it’s possible to do better, see further.

    The ‘ought’, again, is really unnecessary. Enough experimentation has been done to know what activity-cycles produce what life-effects. That people like yourselves, and arguably the Occident generally, seem unable to comprehend that, is another question relating to ability, education, temperament, culture, a whole host of factors, et cetera.
    Perhaps though, it can all be boiled down to a psychology of expectation and demand, but entirely lacking any understanding not filtered through the modality of demand. Hence the ‘consumer society’, and the attempted entrainment of all expectations, which then becomes the hegemonic perspective and assumption economising all thought of the ‘ought’.
    Reversing a few behavioural conventions and setting up new hypostatic dogmas, as the All-Trite and Neoreaction do, is not really anything more than the usual and expected moronic transition of the same Occidental mechanism.

    You’re wrong about the Sartrianism. I haven’t bothered reading him, and Heidegger is probably right to call his stuff “drek”. Cartesian replay of traditional Occidental ego-forms, dramatising a little bit according to ‘bad faith’ rather than ‘good faith’; revelatory, of course, of the Occidental self-loathing that Collen demonstrates so well. Traditional, Western theology/anti-theology machined-self.
    Effectively, what the all-trite, Neoreaction, Conservative Collen, you, etc., are all doing is just turning the same old, Sartrian trick. Especially in the USA, because everything is self-talk in the USA. If it’s not psychobiography, no one understands it, they look blank and are speechless. A whole bunch of Occidental androids scuttling about, beeping “Me, me, me!”
    Look at Collen. Since he’s been commenting on this blog, it’s turned into the Oprah Winfrey show, a blog broadcast of his life story.

    As for the ‘human’, Waggy, that Occidental conception you seem so fond of, Michel Foucault put it quite well:

    “As the archaeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end.
    If those arrangements were to disappear as they appeared, if some event of which we can at the moment do no more than sense the possibility – without knowing either what its form will be or what it promises – were to cause them to crumble, as the ground of Classical thought did, at the end of the eighteenth century, then one can certainly wager that man would be erased, like a face drawn in sand at the edge of the sea.”

    (“The Order of Things”, Michel Foucault; 1966)”

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    collen ryan Reply:

    take everything the french communists taught you and consider it fucking garbage dont talk to me in that garbe shite commie deconstruct post structure gibberish its just speed freak gibberish all of it every last bit but one little thing they got right morality is subjective in as much as its all garbage the only thing that is good is to survive by any means to muktiply. winner take all. so shit on christianity shit on leftism its all the same garbage. your shite french commie philosophy is the worst of all the shit philosophy because its not even self consistent

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    A NEW SCIENCE OF THE ABSOLUTE: COLLENIC TRUTH AND THE GREAT BOWEL MOVEMENT OF HIS PEOPLE

    [collen ryan] “take everything the french communists taught you and consider it fucking garbage dont talk to me in that garbe shite commie deconstruct post structure gibberish its just speed freak gibberish all of it every last bit but one little thing they got right morality is subjective in as much as its all garbage the only thing that is good is to survive by any means to muktiply. winner take all. so shit on christianity shit on leftism its all the same garbage. your shite french commie philosophy is the worst of all the shit philosophy because its not even self consistent”

    {AK}: This is, of course, the only philosophy to be expected of a shithead.

    In its traditional conception of morality, as anchored by minimalist subjectivity, the notion of survival is retained as an excremental absolute, worthy of Hegel. As we can see, all past moments of kultur are taken up by its vast, excremental movement.

    “Why SF trumps Theory: Sheckley vs. Zizek”

    “Because this, Carmody is the real present, upon which true art must be constructed. We consume, therefore we are! But men have been unwilling to face this vital fact. They have turned away from Garbage, that irreducible residue of our pleasures. Yet consider – what is waste? Is it not a memorial to our needs? Waste not, want not; this was the ancient counsel of anal anxiety. But now the the false axiom has changed. Why talk about waste? Indeed! Why talk about sex, or virtue, or any other important thing?………… …….See and believe , my friend. This is the wave of the future.Once upon a time men resisted the implications of actuality. That day is gone We know now that art is the thing itself together with its extensions into superfluity. Not pop art, I hasten to say, which sneers and exaggerates. This is ‘popular’ art, which simply exists. This is the age in which we unconditionally accept the unacceptable, and thus proclaim the naturalness of our artificiality” pp.136-7 “Dimension of Miracles” Robert Sheckley 1968

    And this, lol –

    “Civics of Commentary” by Artxell Knaphni – Monday, December 17, 2012
    http://visionfiction.theotechne.com/WordPress/?p=458

    Posted on January 9th, 2018 at 12:00 am Reply | Quote
  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    Where did you get the idea that I was seeking any kind of validation? What have I written to suggest that? You’re blatantly projecting your own insecurity, perhaps the one that I described above.
    The rest of your anti-Semitic and racist screed is just so pathetic, a mixed up pile of nonsense, and not nonsense in a good way.
    What’s wrong with you, can’t you give value to yourself? I guess not, being an Occidental android and all.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    WE get the idea because you have hung out on a white nationalist blog for five years being insulted and lapping it up asking for more.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s a neo-reactionary blog, but even if it were a white nationalist blog, it doesn’t matter. The ideology doesn’t matter. I look for the strongest, philosophical expression of the ideology, which obviously is going to be Nick Land, not any of the other morons like mould bug. I only respond to you because you address me, otherwise your nonsense wouldn’t be worth wasting time on. Having said that, it hasn’t been entirely uninteresting.
    The insults don’t matter, but what is significant are the demonstrations of your and Neoreaction’s; All-Trite; etc., inferiority, which none of you, really, have been able to refute. All of your claims are reduced to being the incompetent and inconsistent nonsense, even according to your own values, that they are. Really, Collen, everything you write only insults you. I don’t enjoy calling anyone inferior, but you insist on making that call a fact, every time you write on this blog. You’re not alone in this, though. At least, ‘Imperial Energy’ had enough good judgement to stop arguing a point s/he was only destined to lose.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    quibble quibble if you had READ MOLDBERG or any of the other reactionaries you would understand it goes like this all neoreactionaries are white nationalists but only some white nationalists are neoreactionaries. which is why i have been calling you a commie nigger on this white nationalist neoreactionary blog for five years.
    Nick land is the least of the neoreactionary nrxers, but even he wouldn’t appreciate your talking smack about his jew master. its really incredible you can be here so long and not understand where you are. Read radish the best of all reactionaries.and the one closest to lands reactionarism. these guys would be much more triggered by by questioning capitalism and monarchy than my nigger women and jew bashing.

    we don’t refute your self hate memes because they are nonsensical. But ok in language even a moron like i can understand explain how i hate myself and my ideas are evidence of this? because thus far you have only asserted this absurdity.

    I will also be honest with you i had a bad childhood and to survive became quite combative physically and verbally its a sort of guilty pleasure now, so no you are not really worth debating but a sick part of me likes to kick you around batty boy.
    but as a fellow human i too will give you some advice.

    youre way out of your depth, you think because land was once a commie you can blather on in post struck speak and get cred. You have no idea how hilarious that is or how post post modernism we are here. nothing you think you know is at all relevant. It just utterly pointless for you to be here talking culural marxism or whatever iteration and nom d plume you have come up with to hide its tired old reputation. your thinking is so fucking passe that the likes of that mormon cuck was tearing you a new one a decade ago, rules for radicals is read by the tea party now, jesus man we are all billionaires now.No its even beyond that for at least three years theres been a distinct movement toward despair of the nigger at the davos level at the academy level sure they still pay some lip service even you could make a case they have accelerated i would i say they jumped the shark, but the undercurrent always starts before the last act. the world is ending as you know it. trump brexit reaction these are all effects not causes.
    your lies are disproven so many times the world is exhausted with them no one want to be caught not clapping first but everyone is looking at everyone else just itching for the opportunity to stop this garbage.you are a nigger that is brighter than the average nigger and like bright niggers you look to see what you think smart whites are into but youre not a smart white so you dont really get it. this act of yours it wouldnt even pass at a decent university anymore. go online and look at all the niggers trying to sound like marcuse and shit. its garbage no ones saying it outloud yet but all the smart whites know it the jigs up.

    but they say just barely enough if you are a smart white like me you can see it coming.
    Now if i were really to step out of character and say sure i want more than white nationalism sure moldberg and land have some insights so yeah I hope its not going to simply devolve into the 4th reich. But that would certainly be better than this. and something like that is what is definitely going to happen if intelligent people do not intervene.
    But no one is going to be able to change the fundamental white nationalism that is going to happen what they could do if and only if they accept the inevitability id to temper it and add to it, now to be clear thats going to happen with or without reaction or alt right etc we are not actually going to replay ww2 but it will rhyme. Much of reaction is going to come to be anyway because its based on pretty general assumptions. but a lot wont nicks stuff is the worst this is going to be fairly populist unless you can reach an accommodation with the proles. they are not just reacting to the niggerization of their lands they are reacting to the financial rape and the cultural rape. so unless capital and intellect want to also replay the soviet era as well as the nazi era they need to find an accommodation they need to make life better for proles.
    you think you can convince proles to join with niggers, prole white know they are light years beyond niggers its the whole reason commies had to switch to race reditributionism whites reject communism because its a shit offer they know they are worth more.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    You’re just talking to yourself, Collenic. Until you can show an ability to actually think, your opinionating isn’t worth anything. To you and those like you, it might be. But I’m not interested in that.
    You’ve got the typical problem of the USA, overproduction of quantity, but no quality. It did help win World War II, I guess.
    Your entire output is confessional, whether psychoanalytic or religious. It’s marked by an overall sense of escalating desperation. I guess that’s why you’re unable to think critically.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    Guess I need to QUOTE YOU AGAIN

    “Therefore, even before any notion of ethical rights to such a space, a more important question needs to be considered.
    The question would be one of origination. In what geospatiality did a given ethnolinguistic and ethnocultural community arise?”

    AS antone with a white brain can see you not only write, ‘before any notion of ETHICAL RIGHTS” which a white person not cucked in slave morality would rightly interpret ETHICS AS MORALITY- please spare me the convoluted BS about how they are different types of value judgements the argument depends on itself as a supposition.

    But even if you want to semantically claim you said “EVEN BEFORE” The question would arise…. PLEASE PLEASE tell us on what MORAL BASIS THIS QUESTION MUST ARISE ? As I have repeatedly told you there is no question ownership is a side effect of the power to posses and lasts only as long as that power lasts. AGAIN read property philosophy read moldberg and the authors he offers in support,read marx even, look around you think about history how does ownership arise, who owns israel jews do why do they own it because they took it and hold it. who owns the sioux nation there is no such thing for 130 years.

    Currently white people continue to maintain the ability to own the entire planet if we choose. whatever we say is whitopia is whitopia and will remain so until someone can take it. This is the whole of the law. How whites might choose to contract issues such as can the basques secede. is none of your fucking business, youre an outsider have no standing within our councils. frankly even the decisions you make in your own councils and lands you area allowed to occupy you make at our pleasure.

    I dont think I like empire it makes weak faggots out of men and leads to the ruin of a nation, a nation must remain martial though. israel has the right idea multiply and expand. So while i kind of agree with the white nationalist position of everyone in their own lands and enough with the nation building. I also think whites must eventually take over the planet entirely. If for no other reason than as long as another hominid species still exists its a potential threat. Also because its clear the data is in whites won and we need to admit this and own the fact we are the only race this universe needs going forward.I think technological distribution makes every day we allow non whites to exist a serious threat and as soon as we can rectify this the better.

    That said being no expert on our current race annihilation abilities a policy of everyone in their own country and the usg only bombing 5te shit out of those that threaten its interests. which certainly are not building competing nations.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    ‘Even before’, means a consideration allegedly coming before either ethical or moral consideration can even begin. Can’t you read? You are so very, very, stupid. Or you must be deliberately misinterpreting in order to have an excuse to repeat the same fixed notions constipated in your skull.
    You’re as bad as the worst religious nut!

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Yeah axfag I can read and when youre not doing the nigger imitation of french drek philosophy i can even understand you. Which was i why I quoted both sentences and clearly offered you the chance to disavow the first but you had to still explain on what MORAL basic or If you prefer on what RATIONAL basis you claim the question must be answered. But of course you dont answer you insult. I answered it for you. There is no basis that requires the question be answered that is not moral, so you are demanding on a MORAL presumption that a question be answered according to another MORAL presumption that some sort of original nigger theory of property rights holds. No such nigger property rights do hold except in nigger slave morality theory. In real life he that can defend possession has ownership and with that ownership comes the right to declare the moral rights and wrongs within. pretty neat huh. funny your nigger brain understands this when your talking about french garbage philosophical oppression from false consciousness and shit. so think of it this way. false consciousness is realzzz like when the man oppresses you and declares his truth on your black ass that shit sticks or weez whips you to death and your conscious opposition dematerializes.

    ARE we good now? you understand its all ours because we can make it so, anyomne who question thus we can make no more. because we own it we can determine the rules within so EVEN within your idiotic excuse for a moral universe we still win it according to any morality you come up with because those very moralities give us the right like any stupid nigger to claim the right to our own truth comprende?

    fortunately being white and owning the universe we neednt resort to you bullshit value system though we simply make it so

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    No, you don’t understand anything. There was no moral consideration involved, insofar as morality might be ethically conceived. If you want to consider geography, population genetics, and cultural origination, as unavoidable examples of morality, at every point of their consideration, you’ve just moralised everything without exception, to the point of morality no longer having any conventionally determinate meaning. In which case, your proposal of it isn’t really saying anything determinate.

    European philosophy, generally, is partially rooted in Indian thought. French philosophy, through Saussure is directly influenced by Indian thought. British, or Anglo-American, analytical philosophy, and the logics it uses, are directly based on Indian thought. But those European borrowings are not as highly developed as their sources.

    collen ryan Reply:

    How can I say this more plainly fuck philosophy its all garbage. when it diverged from physics biology etc it became garbage semantics. And btw western philosophy is so not derived from india though it can be true that great minds think alike western thought rarely thinks like eastern thought.

    its you who understand nothing. I dont want to consider anything none of those things its you who claim they have to be considered that they must for some mysterious reason inform my decision to keep your kind out. I dont need to be informed by any of that. here is the process.

    we whites no longer want non whites around us we have the power to do that we do that. i dont give a fucking shit about your residency paper i declare them illegal i dont give a shit about colonialism history or what land you think is yours or when you think you held it I declare you an animal in my custody like the elephants and fish, i dont have to justify my desires and actions at certainly not to an animal, and what we humans may or may not discuss about how to treat animals outside our safe space is not a conversation for animals to participate or even hear. as i said and said and said the universe now belong to us the fact that you are alive in say india is no more relevant to my ownership of the universe than what position a certain fish or fowl or jungle bunny happens to occupy currently if i need you gone i will make you gone meantime you’re just an animal in my universe. maybe i need to make plain I own the animals absolutely the same way i own the rocks and the stars and the gold in the f=ground and the salt in the sea it is mine I am GOD,- how’s that for self hate nigger whites are gods- and i mean this we really could right now today demonstrate this if we had the inclination

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Yes, yes, it’s obvious you want to rule all things; as I’ve been saying, for some time now, “All ambition, but no ability.” That ambition-circuitry obviously gets increasingly frenzied and fried when faced with its vast swathes of ignorance, causing an escalation of aggressions, covert bewilderments collapsing again and again into the strident closures of set dogma.

    When that narcissistic strategy fails, it’s back to the good old Heideggerian Nietzsche interpretation.
    “Rather than not will, it wills nothing (destruction) at all” Heidegger

    You get your ideas as free giveaways out of a cereal packet: that’s really all neo-reactionaries mean, when they talk about involvements with reality. It’s the breakfast of inferiority.

    Wagner Reply:

    Artxell you’re not doing your people any favors here. You’re just giving people like me and Mike more and more confirmation that you’re a lost cause, for the meat grinder. And people like us are growing by the day – I suggest you watch the recent Pinker video.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, all you’re showing is that the intellectually inferior try to cover up their inferiority by making threats. There was an opportunity on this blog, for you and Collenic to prove at least a basic intellectual adequacy, but neither of you could even do that.
    Going back to the wider sociopolitical background, referring to it and the formation of your prospective gang, is not a demonstration of understanding, let alone of any vaunted intellectual superiority.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    How’s that? Given your lack of belief in the divine, it only sounds like a lack of self-belief, a lack requiring the unlimited acquiescence of others in order to sustain a divine claim without any actual or inner conviction.
    Or, given that you’ve said elsewhere that God is dead, it’s just a deathwish confirming your self-loathing.
    Obviously, not a creator God, but a Demon destroyer. Using a nuclear annihilation that was based on a Jewish creation, Einstein, which by the sounds of your anti-Semitism he should have kept for his own people, against you. So, not a creator God that gives to others, but merely a Demon destroyer who takes.

    I wonder if your animosity against Afro-Americans is explained by women rating Afro men as highest on the scale of attractiveness and desirability? Perhaps they get the women that you want?
    Or it could be a more visceral fear reaction? Tests done in the 1970s, showed strong physiological responses when white, American males were shown pictures of Afro men. Or perhaps you had bad experiences when younger, in gang fights. Who knows?

    Anyway, whatever the reasons, you could accurately claim to be the god of bigoted ignorance and tragic inferiority.

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  • Wagner Says:

    This is my idea of NRx pure:

    “Each little circle, though they all sit at the feet of the Queen of the world, now and then displays the spirit of a small provincial town. In fact, they are no different here than they are anywhere else. I am already bored at the thought of what they would like to do with me and through me. It would mean joining a clique, championing its passions and intrigues, praising its artists and dilettantes, belittling their rivals, and putting up with everything that pleases the Great and the Rich. Why should I add my prayer to this collective litany which makes me wish I were on another planet, and what good would it do?
    No, I refuse to become any more deeply involved, and for my part, I mean to keep away, and when I get home, to discourage in myself and others the desire to gad about the wide, wide world.
    What I want to see is the Everlasting Rome, not the Rome which is replaced by another every decade.”
    — Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Italian Journey

    NRx atomizes away from the alt-right, then quarkizes away from itself within its own ranks.

    Fuck yo cliques.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    yeah it keeps voting everyone else out while jabbering on about no democracy and no individualism simultaneously.

    Im with you and with them for that matter on truly wanting to just be left the fuck alone to pursue my own happiness. Its what i saw in atlas shrugged at 16 it why i bought a mountain in the rocky mountains that has no neighbors and you have to snowmobile into in the winter in my thirties. somewhere since i began to realise their really isnt any exit anymore( that might change at least for a while if we got rid of all the nigger races kekkek) the american aesthetic of absolute freedom was forged in a time of seemingly infinite continents inhabited only by little niglets with bows and arrows.

    Its fun to imagine a world empty of the jungle bunnies and we could play explorer and pioneer again and br free and if i really squint i imagine by the time we have repopulated the world again we will have some more planets. and can just go on being americans forever. But that is getting into nrx scifi territory. we are not going to survive the century if we dont cobble together a quick and dirty fix now. the quickest is just revert to white nations again. white nations have historically been able to provide a pretty high level of freedom without giving up to much civility.for now its the best we can hope for. The way i see it is my biggest problem is other whites alright its nonwhites and women and jews but without those minorities behind the goodwhites the goodwhites wouldn’t dare tell me i must ask permission to build a bridge across my river. Its only because the good whites buy nigger votes that good whites can do anything. no niggers no leftism well leftism goes back to being the faggoty opinion of academics without tenure

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    Wagner Reply:

    What is the technical HBD phrase for whites’ ability to think long-term? That’s what I’m proposing, to hone that more. You seem to think we can just poof right into war. My intuition is you’re going to be wormchow by then and I’m going to be middle-aged. We need to prepare to way for that. If you look at most of the frogs they’re just sickening, they’re there own kind of “nigger mime”, all they do is repeat each other’s beliefs and call it memes. “Memes” more like “theytheys” amirite? Memeing is just an excuse not to think. They need to get out of the groupthink they’re locked in. I don’t advocate total anarchy, that would be idiotic, just more or less polite debate (ya know like we perpetually do instead of kissing each other’s asses like clucking hens?)

    RE: your previous posts, yeah I do feel warmth for the sweetheart type of woman but they just get boring after a while. More stable than the crazy bitches that I prefer (or at least that my dick against my will prefers) so I probably just have to grow up–how old were you when you started thinking more pragmatically about things? Also with the freemasons, I’ve considered that, my grandpa who died before I was born was the leader of the freemasons in the small town I partially grew up in (have a wild story about that actually) but I have the same sense about those guys I do about the academy, they’re going to be inextricably chained to the State and thus will be pozzed, so for the sake of intellectual cleanliness I’d rather just stick with teh internetz for now, where I’m free. That’s a good suggestion though – are you serious they’re desperate for young men to take over for them? Cuz once they’re dead I can just strip away all the poz LOL

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    collen ryan Reply:

    future time orientation. thought to be selected by northern climates need to think seasonally.
    at first i thought you meant the french then i got the kek. Im too old to be an expert on the frogs. But the way i saw it, was theres quite a few factions being lumped. there was group from here that were kinda like the two of us that splintered off and called themselves heroic reaction for a while. there were th channers who i think are really true frogs and youre right its repetitive but i think thats a feature not a bug, theyre little kids actually in their parents basements and they are computer nerds and they team to make memes viral, which requires a lot of iteration. meme by the way is from dawkins and moldberg of course popularized it around here. the channers got so much play that the neo nazis well rather a younger sort of white nationalists wanted in and at that point it seems the whole professional WN things got organized which was another group entirely

    I think the mason are prob the most pozed as that was kind of their thing but yeah when im up in idaho all those groups are always trying to recruit me and i started talking to them when i goot that idea and its true theyre kinda dying of old age and want people to take on this thing they have kept going. and i thought theyre not going to be too picky or on the lookout for entryists and its not like you want to go in heavy anyway you just want to quietly spread the word that it would be a good thing for younger generations to assume power in these social capital repositories, i mean who doesnt like free realestate to use if you and a few friend go join you hang out with your buds the old codgers just figure your younins laughing they dont hear to good lol.

    you know what i said about the magna carta well about that time that sort of shit spread throughout europe assemblies of every sort advise the king authorize the king judge between the king and the cardinal or pope. judge between the king and his lords or some important town council. some were full on parliaments some toothless but the point is theres really only a short period where europe doesnt have at least some what shall we call it democracy? do you know the term the third estate were commoners and were usually included and while the first and second estates were like the houses of lords or in france the church and the lords were two estates the commoners elected their representatives, the low lands had all this big time. and when you look where this demotism was strongest it was where capitalism was getting the strongest foot hold. and the kings were not encouraging exit and patchlordism they were trying to crush factions and lords and consolidate power. moldbergism is all confused on history its just enamored of this ;meme” of puritans are to blame. i really am no huge fan of democracy i just say its in our blood. i mean honestly wag are you into bowing cause im not

    Wagner Reply:

    This is the meaning of “sovereignty is conserved” – you’re going to bow to someone whether you like it or not, and “the people” you (pretend to) want to bow to voted in Trump, and you don’t like Trump, and you can’t square that. I’ll gladly bow to a philosopher-king. Land isn’t one, Moldbug isn’t one, but someone a few years down the line may take their thought and go far beyond them, and I might bow to them. If you’re not a bower you’re a libertarian and I know you’re not comfortable calling yourself a libertarian. This is why I keep saying the only people worth bowing to are dead, and we should bow to them until someone worthy takes their place.

    On the question of masked infiltration and discreet, long-term subversion: it’s dangerous. Do it long enough and you forget where the lies end and where the truth begins. Strauss’s first crop of students did pretty well in terms of moving the pylons righward but now you see Kristol calling for Oprah to be president. To get anywhere in the freemasons I expect you need to go through lots of ritual indoctrination, and these guys probably are competent at weeding out the non-believers. People who are really good liars should try it but I fear even the best will get lost along the way. This warning issued by Jordan B. Peterson is important on two levels:

    “[I]f you keep your head down long enough and be quiet then you train yourself to keep your head down and be quiet and you get really good at that and you don’t make changes later. That doesn’t happen. And I see that with faculty members all the time. They say “Well I’d speak out but I still haven’t gotten tenure” and after they get tenure they say “Well I’d speak out but I still haven’t got a promotion to full professor” and don’t speak out, and by the time they’re full professor they’ve spent ten years training themselves to be silent little obedient sheep, and it’s not like they’re going to turn into a ravening wolf instantaneously. That’s all gone. You become what you practice.”

    Important for the obvious reason, but even more important in the meta-sense that JBP himself became a silent little obedient sheep and is apparently oblivious to that. You become such a sheep that you’re able to reflect on how people become sheep and yet not recognize that you yourself have also become a sheep.

    Case in point:

    https://twitter.com/Outsideness/status/950926328605233154

    Imagine the weight of truth you can attribute to someone’s thought when they were “doxed all along”. It’s not much. Land was born a company man and he’ll go to the grave as one, all the while protesting against others for being company men. More of a comedy than a tragedy but it’s still sad. I just see most of the older generations as scrap metal too rusty and impure to recycle. Sending them to the landfill is regrettable, probably how people feel sending their alzheimer parents to the nursing home. Since high school I’ve thought Thoreau nailed it with “Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth.” You’re probably going to die alone and broken in a ditch with that attitude but what’s the alternative? Seriously. You Mike, like Jim, are looking for power in this life – and there are higher things than power. What’s democratic power worth anyway? Being the people’s whore, sign me up. Yeah, I’ll go with the ditch.

    Wagner Reply:

    Philosophizing with anonymity is going to sail way past philosophizing that is shackled to meatspace codes of prudence and conduct. This is still too new for people to see. The older generations who didn’t grow up with this technology are too proud to admit it. Well–that’s what nursing homes are for. People look at Hume keeping his Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion unpublished until his death and think “Oh we’re so far beyond those restrictions as a culture.” I’m trying to tell you codgers with the utmost gravity: no we’re not. We’re not.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [Waggy] “This is my idea of NRx pure: NRx atomizes away from the alt-right, then quarkizes away from

    itself within its own ranks. Fuck yo cliques.”

    [Waggy] “I don’t believe in Monarchy, I believe in a room of aristocrats cursing at each other until they

    get to the bottom of things, and naturally one will be the wisest.”

    {AK}: In the USA, every disaffected, antisocial gumbo, hallucinates increasingly ridiculous forms of self

    conferred ‘aristocracy’. And look, there’s that search for anal release of your cerebral, excrement burden,

    again! And yes, you’re right, naturally there will be one whose zest for questioning, “Why?”, is more

    sustained and constipated than the rest!

    oh, clique = ‘room of aristocrats’, you stupid prat! lol

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Only on the internet do browns get to be so insolent

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    It’s just accurate observation, not insolence. When the two of you write something showing the superior intellectual ability you both claim, then it won’t be accurate. You both seem to have an inability to do that, though.

    Incidentally, I could easily write a refutation of the arguments I made above, but neither Nick Land, nor mouldy bug, nor the rest of you, seem capable of it. Because, basically, you’re all dogmatists, and have lost the power to think.

    Posted on January 9th, 2018 at 7:28 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    as to the mason idea they among all those groups have a philosophical history, they were sort of the enlightenment club back in the day a sort of rational christianity. I doubt the conspiracy theories they are anything like that now, but as i said they are a special case, the rest are all simply fraternal and philanthropic. from an era that was less partisan. They were so agnostic the jews didnt even bother destroying them.I’m sure they try to be as PC as the next ngo but theyre very unsophisticated concentrating on local raffles for childrens hospitals and keeping the local chapters realestate holding functioning. they usually own things like a bar with hall and a golfcourse and campground, often these have become quite valuable but also expensive to maintain. My idea is its not necesary to lie or be someone else at all. thats the beauty of it. simply do what any right thinking guy does be a pillar of your community join the local clubs sell the raffle tickets enjoy the golf club. listen to the old guys racist sexist jokes and war stories, maybe you vote to steer against any PC propositions is all,and in a short while you will be the old guys in charge of the social capital and real estate, even then nothing needs to change much you just need to not become a tool of the cathedral, theres all sorts of ways to support the right culture through these groups innocuously. They pretty much already do that because they are so locally focused in small white towns.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Conservation of sovereignty.\]
    First off there were almost never any kings worth a damn there is no method for finding and replacing them when they die. every emperor monarchy almost without exception had some form of senate parliament assembly and or priesthood and or military to answer to.The absolute monarchs were far and few between never lasted.In euro world. And this is interesting. I dont know a lot about non euro history but i cant recollect any non euros that had these sorts of checks on power. I think like our higher status for women trait its just a white thing. Now that isn’t to say we don’t do hierarchy, hell we systematized it. But it seems we also figured out specialization and meritocracy within hierarchy.
    even when you had an absolute ruler he had to rely on his courtiers and councilors who to a large extent were the same as a senate.kings back then couldnt possibly administer personally their kingdoms, thats even more true now. so theres going to be a civil service to whatever extent the state extends its power.Its a myth that a king rules absolutely, he really only rules to the extent that he could theoretically simultaneously counter all the other interests in the nation. In reality he is constantly allying here and allying there to create the illusion of more power than he has. hes more a power broker or manager or market maker or shelling point. hes allowed to continue to make the market and scalp the spread as long as hes the best market maker offering the best price.even moldberg understands this he identifies all the other power centers, but pretends they didnt exist in the past. well maybe in ancient egypt or china or the zulu nation they had absolute monarchs, but in the euroworld we didn’t never ever ever did,even without all the priesthoods noblemen assemblies senates parliaments generals bankers and peasants with pitchforks you had a recurring theme of constraint of power that always comes up- Custom. The kings Emperors all had the higher authority of Custom, whenever the king overstepped or wanted to overstep its always first Custom that is cited as first defense. The root code of this euro Custom from greece to scandinavia is that monarchs do not rule absolutely.
    This is why I say the people are sovereign, its not being a populist its just a genetic fact whites are a smart enough and physically strong enough people with an independent streak that on some level have always understood that while hierarchical organization is necessary for success they always hold a veto over any authority they delegate to manage the state.Its why we are here debating this because we feel qualified if we were chinks we would not debate this because we would know it was for our betters to decide.
    Now moldberg and co are attached to this idea for a lot of silly emotional reasons but philosophically they are because they want to solve the inefficiencies and moral hazards of distributed power. ironically they sort of conclude distribute it formally, and this is not a bad start but they are very naively simplistic. and pretty fucking vaugue on specifics, and frankly i want all the details or its just bullshit, i mean seriously you want to overturn ten thousand years of human organization of a scifi short story basis?
    The good start is say reduce the size of government to private corporations. make Artxnelfag have to answer to a boss that can fire him for nor sorting letters fast enough. we can imagine without resorting to much sci fi larping that tech could take over much of the govt. that reduces a lot of moral hazard from the permanent civil service. we think in theory the peoples sovereignty is restored they can now fire their postal provider their sanitation provider and probably wont have to because the mere ability to swipe left will keep their postal provider on artxnells ass to sort faster. But look whats happening with your ISP like most of us you have one choice or you can get a dish at 1/10th the speed, your cell phones a bit better, but youtube and google and face book are like your isp. so theres a problem that needs to be solved if we are going to rely on markets. This goes to my right critique of capitalism. Its the consumers not the widget makers that actually in theory produce the desired effect of capitalism for a nation, the consumers we hope drive down prices and drive up innovation. we dont seriously think capitalists would innovate or lower prices voluntarily? as i keep saying if left to their own devices capitalists will sell you what they want to sell you for as much as they can sell it for. The only thing that makes capitalism work positively for its consumers is easy choice. and capitalists do whatever they can to make your switching brands a fucking nightmare. this is the problem with patches. the theoretical fact that i can leave some jews nyc patch is worthless if that means i lose the cost of transferring my property and moving it and all the social capital i have acquired over generations of my families residence in a place we once owned but moldberg gave to some jew as a fief with me as a vassal. whats really going to happen is if the jew has pissed me off so much im considering this i will instead get others together and kill the jew. sovereignty will indeed be preserved an it lies with the people who can ultimately kill you if all other negotiation fails.
    So even to remove the moral hazard of the civil service.;(and this would probably apply to most of the other power centers being many are already more or less capitalist enterprises or corporate enterprises relying on public support) you need a mechanism that enforces choice. That could be a state or a law or custom or culture or all.
    The monarchy thing is just an easy out for a complex problem these geniuses want credit for solving but didn’t. its just a big hand wave over a rat’s nest of detail they haven’t worked out. But it appeals to a certain type of faggot that played a lot of DnD or video games.Hey it appeals to that side of me i fucking love the middle ages, as rhome said i want to eat a renaissance faire turkey leg with some meade. hes right we all do him too. but we can never go back to the greasers. but look at william morris they went back in an entirely new way and created a new period we want to go back to. rebirth is a thing and the child always resembles the father but will be ultimately his own man. and yes artx dad will laugh at himself in the river of life – happy siddhartha?
    ok what kind of power can not be de moral hazardized by outsourcing to the market? Ill volunteer the custom and culture of the people and their nation. who is that guardian and arbiter?

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  • collen ryan Says:

    Conservation of sovereignty.\]
    First off there were almost never any kings worth a damn there is no method for finding and replacing them when they die. every emperor monarchy almost without exception had some form of senate parliament assembly and or priesthood and or military to answer to.The absolute monarchs were far and few between never lasted.In euro world. And this is interesting. I dont know a lot about non euro history but i cant recollect any non euros that had these sorts of checks on power. I think like our higher status for women trait its just a white thing. Now that isn’t to say we don’t do hierarchy, hell we systematized it. But it seems we also figured out specialization and meritocracy within hierarchy.
    even when you had an absolute ruler he had to rely on his courtiers and councilors who to a large extent were the same as a senate.kings back then couldnt possibly administer personally their kingdoms, thats even more true now. so theres going to be a civil service to whatever extent the state extends its power.Its a myth that a king rules absolutely, he really only rules to the extent that he could theoretically simultaneously counter all the other interests in the nation. In reality he is constantly allying here and allying there to create the illusion of more power than he has. hes more a power broker or manager or market maker or shelling point. hes allowed to continue to make the market and scalp the spread as long as hes the best market maker offering the best price.even moldberg understands this he identifies all the other power centers, but pretends they didnt exist in the past. well maybe in ancient egypt or china or the zulu nation they had absolute monarchs, but in the euroworld we didn’t never ever ever did,even without all the priesthoods noblemen assemblies senates parliaments generals bankers and peasants with pitchforks you had a recurring theme of constraint of power that always comes up- Custom. The kings Emperors all had the higher authority of Custom, whenever the king overstepped or wanted to overstep its always first Custom that is cited as first defense. The root code of this euro Custom from greece to scandinavia is that monarchs do not rule absolutely.
    This is why I say the people are sovereign, its not being a populist its just a genetic fact whites are a smart enough and physically strong enough people with an independent streak that on some level have always understood that while hierarchical organization is necessary for success they always hold a veto over any authority they delegate to manage the state.Its why we are here debating this because we feel qualified if we were chinks we would not debate this because we would know it was for our betters to decide.
    Now moldberg and co are attached to this idea for a lot of silly emotional reasons but philosophically they are because they want to solve the inefficiencies and moral hazards of distributed power. ironically they sort of conclude distribute it formally, and this is not a bad start but they are very naively simplistic. and pretty fucking vaugue on specifics, and frankly i want all the details or its just bullshit, i mean seriously you want to overturn ten thousand years of human organization of a scifi short story basis?
    The good start is say reduce the size of government to private corporations. make Artxnelfag have to answer to a boss that can fire him for nor sorting letters fast enough. we can imagine without resorting to much sci fi larping that tech could take over much of the govt. that reduces a lot of moral hazard from the permanent civil service. we think in theory the peoples sovereignty is restored they can now fire their postal provider their sanitation provider and probably wont have to because the mere ability to swipe left will keep their postal provider on artxnells ass to sort faster. But look whats happening with your ISP like most of us you have one choice or you can get a dish at 1/10th the speed, your cell phones a bit better, but youtube and google and face book are like your isp. so theres a problem that needs to be solved if we are going to rely on markets. This goes to my right critique of capitalism. Its the consumers not the widget makers that actually in theory produce the desired effect of capitalism for a nation, the consumers we hope drive down prices and drive up innovation. we dont seriously think capitalists would innovate or lower prices voluntarily? as i keep saying if left to their own devices capitalists will sell you what they want to sell you for as much as they can sell it for. The only thing that makes capitalism work positively for its consumers is easy choice. and capitalists do whatever they can to make your switching brands a fucking nightmare. this is the problem with patches. the theoretical fact that i can leave some jews nyc patch is worthless if that means i lose the cost of transferring my property and moving it and all the social capital i have acquired over generations of my families residence in a place we once owned but moldberg gave to some jew as a fief with me as a vassal. whats really going to happen is if the jew has pissed me off so much im considering this i will instead get others together and kill the jew. sovereignty will indeed be preserved an it lies with the people who can ultimately kill you if all other negotiation fails.
    So even to remove the moral hazard of the civil service.;(and this would probably apply to most of the other power centers being many are already more or less capitalist enterprises or corporate enterprises relying on public support) you need a mechanism that enforces choice. That could be a state or a law or custom or culture or all.
    The monarchy thing is just an easy out for a complex problem these geniuses want credit for solving but didn’t. its just a big hand wave over a rat’s nest of detail they haven’t worked out. But it appeals to a certain type of faggot that played a lot of DnD or video games.Hey it appeals to that side of me i fucking love the middle ages, as rhome said i want to eat a renaissance faire turkey leg with some meade. hes right we all do him too. but we can never go back to the greasers. but look at william morris they went back in an entirely new way and created a new period we want to go back to. rebirth is a thing and the child always resembles the father but will be ultimately his own man. and yes artx dad will laugh at himself in the river of life – happy siddhartha?
    ok what kind of power can not be de moral hazardized by outsourcing to the market? Ill volunteer the custom and culture of the people and their nation. who is that guardian and arbiter?

    [Reply]

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @

    Philosophizing with anonymity is going to sail way past philosophizing that is shackled to meatspace codes of prudence and conduct.

    well i have been telling nrx to stop larping an start building a secure free anonymous internet. because you’re right much power in that. however kid anonymous pamphleteers have been around awhile. They have a purpose but it is actually the cred of the author that usually persuades people humans selection process for info and shit. sans that they will follow a crowd asan authority which often proves the wiser choice.but sometimes a really bad idea.

    I guess you count on a good idea will be recognized by enough of the right people that soon enough you have butchers and bakers and candlestick makers claiming to be nietzscheans. I dont think it works that way. oh it does,some of the people who can actually weigh that level of thinking if it is also what interests them and doesnt conflict to much with other things that interest them will come around, but others who can weigh will just be more interested in something else that takes their cog power.and so on down to the baker who is not only incapable ( assumed) but also really mostly concerned with having to pay for obamacare out of money he was trying to attract talented bakery help with and cant seem to explain to said help obamacare is just like money. In short unless this philosophy has a practical benefit to enough people able to kill the other philosophers adherents it’s not going anywhere but around academic circles. neitz didn’t makes us nihilists too much cheap plastic garbage and jews killing christianity made us nihilists. and if truth be told god was always dead and word was bound to get out and we will eventually learn to deal with it. all the meaning we once gave life was no less bullshit than all the meaning we will again give life, life just is good if we make it so and think it so, however we have some dna code patches that reward some things and not others, we can synthesize religion we can praise god from the dead easy with all sorts of substitutes, but some things are not so synthesizable family volk nation these we must also raise from the dead and we cant replace them with fakes and fool our dna we tried it failed.

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    Wagner Reply:

    “well i have been telling nrx to stop larping an start building a secure free anonymous internet.”

    Is that what Urbit is? Does anyone know what Urbit is yet?

    And yes I forgot to mention that aspect: anonymity today isn’t secure, ZOG knows every little hair on your head whether you’re anonymous or not. Being imprisoned for saying the truth still haunts the cyber-shitlords, subconsciously. If we all had 100%, not 99% but 100%, certitude that we were completely anonymous all hell would break loose. This is why we need nerds, to give us this technology. Yeah people will only listen to the high-priests but I’m thinking that the pariahs will sing their hymns in the shadows and expose things that cannot be *unseen* and those things that cannot be unseen will eventually circulate to the top and subsequently be distributed to the lower strata.

    I don’t believe in Monarchy, I believe in a room of aristocrats cursing at each other until they get to the bottom of things, and naturally one will be the wisest.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Here is something dark that will happen once the internet becomes truly free:

    Never mind, I can’t say it. Maybe I will force myself to say it:

    Take this metaphorically or literally, there’s really no difference:

    Your throat skin is going to be gnashed out, and we will slurp out anything that is noodle-like like noodles, and drink as much blood as we can before we are full, then leave your corpse lying on its belly for the birds and insects.

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    Wagner Reply:

    Has anything paranormal ever happened to you Mike?

    The above vampirism thing reminded me of something weird. Years ago I was ****buddies with this French girl and one day she was really depressed and I asked her what was wrong and she confessed to me that she had a congenital disease that required her to drink human blood. She said to keep it a secret so I feel kinda bad sharing it, she said she was embarrassed people would think she was “goth”. She said raw cow took the edge off but only human blood did the trick, and that her mom was the same way. So I let her drink my blood a couple times, and became very very merry after drinking it. Not to toot my own horn but I have a pretty sensitive BS-detector and she seemed completely sincere that she had this congenital disease that required she drink human blood, didn’t seem larpy whatsoever. What’s up with that? lol. Did I let myself be bitten by a vampire? lolol. She started taking some sea green algae supplement in large doses and she said she didn’t have to sate the bloodthirst anymore but I didn’t believe her, I think she just felt embarrassed.

    Another thing: another girl I knew said she was possessed and I, a naive 19 year old, offered to give her an exorcism. What happened I wasn’t ready for, these things really aren’t games. I tried to mock it out of her and I think he took revenge on me for it because he left her and entered me instead. For a few years afterward it would make me start crying thinking about it just because it was such an experience of pure evil. I called the thing “Clyde” even though I know that wasn’t its true name. It didn’t like me talking about it/him with others… Idk if he’s still “in there”, or if he left, or if he overtook my psyche completely such that I can’t see him because I am him now, but I … dunno heh.

    I was reminded of the latter experience while reading this book that explains Haitian voodoo in the language of quantum mechanics (what a concept wtf):

    https://books.google.com/books?id=ptSINSgylEIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=vodou+quantum+leap&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_-JGbndDYAhWO7FMKHe5oAlEQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=mounted&f=false

    Searching for the word “mounted” brings interesting results…

    collen ryan Reply:

    Has anything paranormal ever happened to you Mike?

    short answer yeah quite a lot. but i just typed a long one with two fingers so for now i won’t say much. first Ill say even if there were demons and vampires eventually we can explain them scientifically. And it can be surprising how something really inexplicable could be explained. That said although currently pretty atheist there’s a lot of things i experienced that i cant explain without resorting to really convoluted far fetched answers or saying i must have gone temporarily insane.

    The thing is several of these incidents were experienced by others as well. Ill give one of them I had a girlfriend wake me up because she was talking in her sleep loudly. she was seemingly having a conversation i was only party to her side of or she was talking to me but the voice was nothing like hers at all it was male middle aged and was speaking in something i describe as ancient aramaic, it went on for twenty minutes while i watched mesmerized almost, i realized it had been going on intermittently throughout the night and finally gotten to the point in the morning in brought me fully to consciousness. I subtly questioned her language ability before telling her what happened. she not only did not remember but sort of casually said yeah she had been told that before by family she was only 21 living home. the oddest part was she was not really that interested which you would think an accomplished faker would be looking for the payoff and want to keep discussing it.she didnt seem interested and i was interested to see if she would so i didnt and it never came up again but i never forgot it, and began researching it. it really common, people have recorded themselves or been recorded by family friend drs etc. theres some interesting patterns of what languages and times of history but it can be just about any time or language.

    I have heard you talk of the vibrating that happens when you leave your body and so i know you have done this for real it doesn’t always have the vibration and you have probably noticed the correlation with breath control in you real body to energy in your projected self. i could talk a lot about this but i9n the end i concluded my business is here not there, though i have agreed to and met others i know outside myself as well as met what seemed like non live humans forms who i spoke to outside.

    we had a summer house that was haunted when i was a kid almost everyone who visited met our ghosts who were nice and once we used a ouija board and it said go on a treasure hunt friday and we did and found 4972 dollars they had hidden.

    I had a prolonged ‘spiritual awakening’ that is easiest described as feeling like i was tripping on shrooms for a couple months there were amazing physical and mental side effects that went along with this.

    i once felt sure i was in a battle with evil while in london it lasted several weeks thing is im a hyper rational person and have always been pretty hostile to new age type things. being raised catholic though i did have some unwanted superstition

    I have had a bit of second sight /intuition stuff which i wish i would follow more i was ‘born with the caul’ which is said to be the cause of this sensitivity.

    I have a theory that quantum physics will explain these things eventually

    collen ryan Reply:

    well semantics and degrees, there’s no aristocracy so your aristocrats will be just powerful men, men who have to be listened to because they can potentially force an issue either alone or with an alliance. These men get power a number of ways but all ways are convertible to physical force, some may have aquired enough money and social capital they can buy armies or embargo, others perhaps just social capital that they can easily raise an army, some are master negotiators with a record of success that they can be trusted to follow. sure you could call them aristocrats if that’s appealing but they are not, they are citizens who through merit have acquired the power to influence.Somewhere among them you will find men who cheif power is derived from the potential physical force of t5he able bodied men of the state, one of them may have most of the populace at his back or several will have a percentage. This is always going to be the most powerful potential force in a white nation. Its a more subtle and slower moving force usually because once moved its difficult to stop and costly in its destruction. It best to be thought of as that big silent aristocrat in the corner.It seems the entire nrx wants to dismiss this power, which is odd since its the force that has made all the maojor changes in social organization in white nations. I think that reluctance is similar to the reluctance to look at capitalism from a right critique or recognize our socialist traits, we are so long defending these from leftism we fear the slightest inch given will be a leftist wedge. It may be something to watch for but being a reality it cant simply be denied. And this also raises the point of hierarchy or if you prefer natural aristocracy, i have to ask as i do with capitalism, what is it that we like about it so much? I would hope its not simply an aesthetic preference, or that the left hates it so we love it. I think the proper answer is that like capitalism it serves us.and so like capitalism we should like it to the extent it serves us and no more. like capitalism we should deconstruct its mechanism that makes it a preferable organizational tool and strip out the bulklshit and think about how we cn use the tool best and minimize the tools disadvantages. before we get to that lets go back a few sentences and ask ourselves who is this we that we want capitalism and hierarchy and whatever else to serve.

    lets say we have some extreme version of socialism on one side that wants to serve the totally useless for no other reason than they value uselessness, and on the other extreme maybe we have land who values no human at all if he can synthesize intelligence in a self replicating machine he sees no reason to continue the human race.
    I cant actually believe i have to refute these.But let me start with land because he is easiest to dismiss. the point of the inquiry is to develop a better model of HUMAN organization, lands post humanism have less of a place in a reactionary forum than marx does.Now if we take a tiny step down from Post humanism we could say there is the extreme socialist correlative hyper aristocracy. It has a lot in common with extreme socialism, they both are founded on theoretical philosophic absurdities that simply cant exist in real world.both destroy themselves if carried out exactly.hyper aristocracy does destroys itself first on paper. First you have a problem of what makes one a better, most who lean towards some vague way towards this kinda sorta assume cognition is the only important benchmark this simply isnt true if the game is to survive other traits could be very or even more important. smart people think we may not last the century yet no ones is predicting all sorts of other life may not survive. sure its a huge asset but not all. Next problem is the the philosophies core value; that the best are to be valued over their lessers leads to a aristocracy spiral. first the theory says everyone over a 130 IQ will go off on their own because the others are not cost effective, even if this were true within the entire population in question as soon as you separate out the new population it becomes true that the under 160s are not pulling their weight and so on.You pretty soon end up one person below transhumanism. the biggest problem is it simply doesn’t work in the real world its too small a population to sustain itself for all sorts of reasons from genetics to military capability.
    The extreme socialists have a similar problem only its opposite itteration by trying to ‘save everyone’ they save no one. i think around here we are all well aware of the problems with socialist economics and moral hazards, so i won’t elaborate on them. But i will point out that we have an evolved “socialist’ strategy trait thats a bit more pragmatic than the marxists. Of course its hard to talk about that because its fraught with socialist history which has pretty much sought to exploit this gene. But the fact is biologically speaking you and i are a construct of our DNA that sort of sees itself as a legion, while still acting from a local perspective in absolute terms { survival of this particular copy by any means} it still simultaneously runs a backup program { survival of the nearest copy of this gene if at all possible without compromising the original} Fortunately for our atomized ego constructions our DNA has given us skin in both these games so we feel ( which is an illusion) that its we who are surviving and ensuring the survival of our nearest copies in ascending order. Where socialism goes wrong is where it risks the original DNA for not just good close copies but terrible far off copies. But nature gets socialism correct, we know this because we are still here and still have these socialist genes. we know protecting our children works we know when we can helping to protect our brothers and cousins children works we know contracting of sharing excess resources when we have them for the same in return works be the resources food or violence or women or whatever.

    I am simply proposing we follow our genetic strategies. Now its worth saying again here these traits have developed randomly and the traits drop out slower than an environment may change and that the traits can then be repurposed with “unintended” consequences” and so Ill disclaim again its quite possible we are doomed that there is simple no system that will work with our current dna and if we cant develop a new dna and system to match we will be replaced.But Im hopeful we can muddle through if we stick to modified versions of the tried and moderately successful.

    So I say we have to accept that the smallest population that is sustainable is what I reluctantly call an ethno state because over the last 75 years its become necessary in the west and only the west (which happens to be the group I am wasting my time trying to save) to clarify that one’s nation has a genetic distinctiveness. I would go further and say its going to be imperative that all the euro ethno nations form an alliance and stop cooperating, this has of course more or less happened but it needs to be clear and since many of our best modern euro states are now mixed euro this sort of helps and proves we can.

    But even if we agree that we need to form an organization that’s goal is the preservation of the ethno nation as a whole and not be aimed at the lowliest at the cost of all or the elitist at the cost of all because these will lose the entire nation, lowly and elites as well, we are still arguing on how to do that.

    again we need to go our dna for advice, because we have established our business is essentially biologic, our constraints are biologic, our goal is biologic.we can do no other and not be in error of reality. So we are back at this question of who shall rule and whos interests shall they rule.we know it cant be a race to the top or the bottom, We know as you go towards the bottom there are diminishing returns on resource distribution vs production. But we have to be mindful that babies for instance are pretty useless in some sense yet we are wise to provide them with resources for a couple decades, women also we could probably replace even with today’s tech but they have uses that are hard to quantify, mothering, companionship, and sharing work loads they are better adapted to. we can get into all sorts of contractual socialism, do we care for the sick in return for being also carred for should be draw the short straw, how many geniuses, or soldiers would we lose if we cut those losses,But somewhere there is some pretty clear places we could cull a lot. I for instance carrying the alcoholic gene really shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce until we can edit that out. There has to be an incentivized economy where reward is comeasurant with both talent and hard work. in short its a pretty utilitarian market meritocracy, however its all in the service of the nations interest not the least or best, even though the best are going to be used to manage it is not theirs.

    why not? well because that would be stupid as we have just established, so lets just say the best of the best thats me has decided that the rest of the best cant just use the nation for their sole interests but that they can be well compensated for service to the nations interest as a whole. But there’s other reasons, the rest of the best havent really the ability they no only need the cooperation of the whole people or at least the majority of its more productive members. They need them to cooperate in defending against other nations and internal insurrections, they need them to cooperate in the production and consumption economy, they need them to replicate and to maintain a culture and social market that makes life worth living literally. And all of this means that in reality one or more of those elites is actually the representative of non elites, he may in fact be one of the smartest or richest elites in your room but the physical power he derives from those he represents is what youre reckoning with. Many around here like to pretend these faggot nerds are going to build an army of drone robots and simply tell the masses to eat cake and live like niggers. Its a fucking larp, its never worked whenever its tried you end up with more demotism not less. the people are sovereign like it or not theres quite a lot of them and nothing can get done without them cooperating. they dont move as quick as some wily jew courtesan but when they do watch out. besides they are not the problem its the other elites which have always been the problem. and this is why telling the elites that hey forget about all that civic duty shit that patriotism the nationalism the culturalism whatever we use to keep elites from running amuck well they will just run amuck and thats when things break down.

    look I get its a conundrum we need the elites because hierarchy works, they are usually some of the most productive and we need an incentive reward economy because that works.its hard to control them when they get into power. but the fact of the matter is thats what we have to do. Its what has always been done, its just that we would like to improve it further. youre all kidding yourself that ‘the elites’ ‘the aristocracy’ was ever a thing a stasis, its always been a market a battle, you become respected enough for your ideas your wealth your might they give you a title. everyone in the nation even during serfdom was always in that market that battle moving up and down those at the top always try to make fake barriers they cant hold them for long serfs become kings and kings serfs. Now this self interest is the correlative trait to the socialist trait and we must recognize its reality but not forget DNA works because it keeps many irons in the fire for black swans. we would be stupid to assume that the current years crop of snowflakes is the last word in our nations genetics. theyre just another crop of hipster faggots with a lot of self importance, in a flash they will be gone but the nation will still be here if we do not hang the nations fate on a couple of bright lights.

    so for the umpteenth time yes meritocracy hierarchy market economics but in service of the nation. I am still waiting for one example of mobs rising up on their own and instituting extreme socialism the type that is dysgenic. they never do they either rise up when really fucked long and hard or when some elite gets an idea to organize them for his own interests.The problem in national power struggles is not demotism its elite selfish interest which is a necity but needs to be tempered. One way to limit the demotism you fear is to pay the productive what they are worth. as ive repeatedly stated theres a theoretical value to say the idaho farm boy manning the nuclear sub that guards bezos container ships and mobiles oil etc bezos simply can run cant even invent a company like amazon without a lot of help like this what would it be worth if he had to contract directly. currently this is what happens he buys a paper and then asks a ‘peoples representative’ if he can have a discount on last mile postal delivery and not pay taxes on his income, then mentions he might have his paper do a nice story or a not nice story on the congressman. just an example of how elites can game the reard owed the idaho farm boy or chicago postal worker. sure its tricky to really determine fair compensation but its possible to do better if people are not being cheated they cant be pawnd by elites the truth is you can actually get away with cheating the living shit out of them before you can get much reaction from them. but its an issue if youre concerned with demotism, I have much simpler and direct ways of dealing with ambitious leftist elites.

    I think euros have always more or less understood all the above and have in fact in proportion to the available tech done what they could to manage nations equitably and keep elites from using their positions egregiously. over time thats improved. But a huge transition from agrarian to industrial distributed productivity and the power that goes with it faster than it distributed reward and marxism took advantage which as the reward caught up marxism changed its game to leftism multiculturalism racialism etc.
    the productive masses do not want to ruin the nation with unfairly high wages. get rid of the non whites and restore woman’s natural position of soft power and sanity returns. then you are left with keeping elites from robbing the joint I think law custom culture has to be reinstituted to do that, it wasnt so long ago it was a given that elites were public servants or patriarchs if you prefer.

    hashing things out in a room is

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    collen ryan Reply:

    aristocrats hashing things out in a room is democracy, when they hash them out on a field its war

    Wagner Reply:

    Once we eliminate all traitors within all enemies without we’ll be able to develop tech that allows us to spend half our day “outside” if we so choose. All it would really take is putting ayahuasca in supplement form and making it cheap, or even putting a chip in the brain that is controlled by a remote, or hell, even by will. The aramaic language thing is really creepy, it makes me conclude PKD wasn’t batshit with his prolonged mystical experience. I’ve read lots of reports of that, doesn’t seem like it’s made up. I knew these two lesbians who claimed ghosts contacted them, and again, utterly sincere. There are witches and witch-doctors among goys, not many but they are there. Kenneth Grant says they occur in higher frequencies among Asians and Africans – science has busted our brains methinks. The point of life is mysticism, we forgot that along the way making all our gizmos and gadgets. Oh sorry, I meant stealing all our gizmos and gadgets from the Hindoo nuffins.

    RE: aristocracy: I’ve told you before I accept most of you say as some of the most realistic realism I’ve heard, but it’s good to have unrealistic ideals to, if not shoot for, at least loosely keep in mind. Yes, an aristocracy stands or falls based on the people’s force. Who is going to stir the big vats in the KY factory for all their anal lube? All I’m proposing is the people learn better to respect genius. The West has far exceeded all of the others to a humiliating degree, but imagine if we didn’t burn our Giordano Brunos at the stake or uninvite our Moldbergs from tech conferences. We compare occidental achievement to the rest of the world and pat ourselves on the back but aren’t we just comparing ourselves to a bunch of filthy, lazy animals? We don’t have much to be proud of in light of what we *could* have been had we not hemlocked the Socrateses for trying to instigate revolutions in thought and practice. You seem to want to preserve that mechanism! That’s some Islamic shit I hate to tell ya; they had some solid philosophers in the middle ages, and then they probably had a towelhead Descartes spring up and whoops, chopped his fookin head off. Fuck that brah, that’s barbarism. Again, I think of my Aquinas professor, if you spent five minutes talking with him you’d probably say “Damn, if you called the political shots instead of me things would probably turn out a lot better in the world.” Granted this guy is part of the quackademy, but I’m talking hypothetically, if we had redpill philosophers of his calibre I’d be perfectly comfortable letting them steer things from behind the scenes while I carry on my day to day life not asking any questions. You seem to be saying the people won’t allow that, and I detect you take a little delight in that. I’m saying yes I agree the people probably won’t allow that, but I do not take any delight in that fact whatsoever; the people obviously need to be disciplined if that is the case. Right-wing brainwash to make them believe in hierarchy, whatever it takes. The leftists made people believe in equalism to a fundamentalist degree, if they can do it we can do it, only using brainwash for the right reasons.

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  • Artxell Knaphni Says:

    HALL(UCINATION)S OF VENGEANCE ( ‘you sin’ nation)

    {AK}: Not cool enough to be accepted by flighty metropolitan tastes; social resentment; the city boy attempts a revenge of rural agitations, manipulating the good ol’ boys into taking his side, hell! they’re on his side anyway. Yeah, those city slickers’ll be sorry!

    Obviously, you’re a would-be town planner, nation planner, even; but you’re also status-obsessed in a very metropolitan way, explaining your urban resentment fervour, very well. The replacement of Catholic presuppositions with an atheist, dominion ideology, retrofitted to prevailing consumer self-inflation, as inflected through the self-serving romanticisations of gaming history. A self-elected, infernal apotheosis, reflecting a fundamental spiritual incompetence, “All ambition, but no ability.” Unable to psychically contain this predicament, agitation sets in.

    “It is notable, for example, that the contemporary agitator, the expert propagandist who has assumed the role of leader, dwells incessantly on his own person. He portrays himself as both leader and common man. By suggesting that he too is a victim of sinister social forces, by displaying his own weakness as it were, he helps conceal from his followers the very possibility of independent thinking and autonomous decision.
    He sets the pattern for that most contemporary phenomenon, the deindividualized, incoherent, and fully malleable personality structure into which anti-democratic forces seek to transform man.
    The content of present-day demagogy is obviously empty, accidental and entirely subordinate to manipulative considerations. Our homegrown agitators, in the absence of an American tradition of nationalistic aggressiveness, created an artificial fusion with Italian and German fascist notions. They have also borrowed from certain forms of religious revivalism, without regard to any specific content, forms which exploit such rigid stereotypes as the distinction between the “damned” and the “saved.”
    The modern American agitator has put these old-fashioned techniques to very good use.”

    {AK}: The same exploitation happens in the Middle East:

    “High Islam provides the urban population, and to some extent the whole society, with its charter and its entrenched constitution, in the name of which they can protest against excesses, notably undue taxation, by the state. The urban mob can riot under the leadership of a respected scholar, but this is not too grave a danger for the established authorities: the real danger for them lies in the alliance between a respected scholar and the militarily formidable peripheral tribes. Ironically, it is these tribes, whose daily practices and knowledge of religion, from the viewpoint of urban orthodoxy, leave much to be desired, who also provided the sword-arm which, from time to time, endowed that same orthodoxy with military and political clout, and made possible a great renewal. The preacher unites a group of tribes, upbraids them for their own ignorance and laxity, but at the same time urges them to support him in cleaning up the corruption in the city and its court, which incidentally means booty for them. If Paris is worth a Mass, then the tribesman generally reckoned that Fez (or some similar city) is worth a bit of purity. It is in this form that the circulation of élites operated in traditional Islam.”

    “POSTMODERNISM, REASON AND RELIGION” Ernest Gellner

    {AK}: There you have it! The Collenic preacher of a garbled, simplified, and absolutist, genetics; of a limited set of dogmas and their respective casuistries constituting only another empty ideology requiring the fervent inflation of repetitive delivery to blow up its loony balloon of resentful terror. Out of that resentment towards the corruptions of urban sophistication he so coveted but could not socially breach, he now looks for rural allies in his vendetta against
    that exclusion.

    Now he wants to trawl the lodges, not out of any sympathy with, or genuine interest, in the wisdom of the older generation, but to get his hands on their resources to feed the hunger of his pathological apocalypse.
    When someone believes their potential is exhausted, or their position in life is more than they deserve, they act Collenic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofUwxDsb424

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Ok i sped read through that about every twentieth word you’re doing that commie structuralist thing where everything whites do and think is born of resentment and insecurities its the only motivating force you lefties know as i used to call my ex wife you’re a sullen resentful bitch artxnellie.
    speaking of commie tactics you ought to appreciate my idea its kind community organizer stuff except instead of protesting and rioting we sell raffle tickets for sick children and have boring white guy conversations about elk hunting and pickup trucks.

    so now you have torn us all a new one arty why dont you take a risk and tell us how the world could be made better? Arty im way older than you and i too once believed in race equality and all that crap, i mean i felt sorry for browns and bought the jews line about how it was all the southern mans fault. but i was also growing up in nyc and i watched the real world and slowly saw reality it took decades to really admit all i saw and realize it was hopeless. I get that sucks for the above average nigger but we have thought long and hard about how we might accommodate above average niggers and the plain facts are it cant be done. Now if you want to turn into a total fucking obama faggot nigger and start with the thats not who we are and end with Kumbaya then please fuck off nigger faggot.

    if instead you want to propose how white nations might maintain arms length relationships for mutual advantage we are all ears. I findia is not in fact as trump put it today “a shithole country” then what do you have to worry about? surely youre not moronic enough to be part of the magic dirt crowd? do you believe thats the secret to white success arty magic dirt in europe and use and NZ and AU and SA until it blew away? Im sure youre the type of commie that whines about colonialism in fact we have heard you. so if its so bad we expanded into your lands thenn how can it be bad we contract back into our own? its like the white flight and gentrification are both bad stupidity. admit it nigger you like living among whites. well i dont blame you if i have to live among anyone its gotta be whites unfortunately i have been gentrifying the shit out of brooklyn for most of the last decade making millions but living among way too many niggers and am at peak negro fatigue syndrome. Now maybe when i get back up to my mountain retreat and dont see a nigger for a year ill be more pleasant to you.
    speaking of collenics is it true you yogis swallow ropes and pull them out your asses to clean your colons thats very puritanesk of you no? that reminds me of another reason you should read moldyberg he uses all the hindu castes metaphorically, and his ideal patch is the aids infected lefty sanfranciso bay area I bet you would get along both of you being orientals and hipster faggots and all

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    collen ryan Reply:

    {AK}: Not cool enough to be accepted by flighty metropolitan tastes; social resentment; the city boy attempts a revenge of rural agitations, manipulating the good ol’ boys into taking his side, hell! they’re on his side anyway. Yeah, those city slickers’ll be sorry!

    lol you know this is practically my exact take on trump i watched him get turned away from studio 54 one night hes a bridge and tunnel trol as we call non native new yorkers not of the only borough that matters [ oh youre up on oldschool pop culture so trumps the guy from saturday night fever in the white suit, hes so cool in bensonhurst and just cant put his finger on why he doesn’t translate. as for me I had my days as one of the bright young things im decades past all that having children( something you homos will never get) it changes you completes you. Ill tell you what went wrong with me from your perspective, first im old enough to have watched the transition from the old to the new world so i cant be fooled about what things were like or what happened. and being a new yorker i really got to watch the big players and the history unfold. i dint know what i was watching at first and was part of the wrecking crew in the 70s. But i had crazy drunk parents but they were really bright and educated and of the other era and without knowing it they taught me to really love western civilization and the rest of the world as well because thats a western civilization thing cultural appreciation. it didnt take too long to start to see that multiculturalism was really mono comercial culturalism that the left was really destroying all that was great in the world eventually i realized they intended to destroy white people as well.
    This isn’t debatable arty in my life time i have watched leftism progress to where it is now often blatantly calling for the annihilation of whites from their own nations and this after 60 years of watching it destroy the economy culture. so you can pretend people like me are the extremists but only a total clueless moron can not see we are actually witnessing the correlative of the rise of the nazis only this time against whites.you want to say right on colonialist bastard like the jews who are orchestrating it thats fine i get it youre wrong and stupid but i get the emotion. But all of you who are participating in this murderous project including the vast majority of non whites living in white lands are so wrong and so stupid and have been given so much evidence of this to no effect its really clear their no point trying to salvage this we are at a point where its open war. oh sure most whites are not awake yet. so keep whistling in the dark, but Im not kidding when i say if i were you i would set myself up back in india ahead of the rush. You dont have a chance you have no idea what angry white men are really like read some history we dont fuck around. I am sure thats sounds larpy to you vikings riding wolves and all, the thing is this sort of shit actually happens really regularly youre jut too young and brain dead liberal education to know that. my president today asked congress why we have to have peole from those shithole countries coming here. president havnt talked publicly about niggers like that in over 100 years and he didnt apologize when it was reported he doubled down and said the congress and press was advocating for other people he was working for us.If you dont get the the immensity of the things like that that have become a daily occurrence over the last decade you’re going to get swept up by history. Think of what newly arriving refuggees from the west are going to need when they hit calcutter and position yourself and youll do allright

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    Wagner Reply:

    Artxell, as your friend, this is your best bet. I see you and I see a great brain that has been put to poor use. Just get out of here and start teaching people about yoga, I’m being completely serious. Leftist PoC are going to be murdered and history will be rewritten so that you never existed. People like me and Mike want to learn yoga from its inventors, what we don’t want is mimes reading leftist memes off a script we are all too familiar with. Really, save yourself before the hammer is brought down.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    well when you say we are wasting our geniuses i would agree, but i dont think its my fellow steam fitters slighting them, well take me Im a fitter and if i had a say moldberg could be on the trilateral commision i have my reservations but hes got to be better than half a dozen international jews i can think of. Its fellow elites that waste other elites because they see them as competition to their self interest when they should be acting in the nation’s interest and begging moldberg to come to davos.

    I never responded about my libertarian views but you remind me of this with the bit about socrates and my alleged islamic morality. I have said i gave up on libertarianism not so much that it no longer appealed rather because it seems unsustainable which it now seems determined to prove with this left libertarianism they can purge. Im a white man i like freedom. I have said i would be the first to exit for that freedom but i dont see that possible anymore and at any rate sustainable forever. so we have this problem of a sustainable organization thats somewhat tolerable. I say first you gotta get rid of the non whites because well it clears out half the country for one thing and makes public space a hell of a lot better even for a misanthrope. but also it allows for a freer state because well niggers are wild animals and you cant have two sets of laws in a state. but even after all that you get the socrates problem the oscar wilde problem pick your disruptive genius. Moldbergs answer is if you have a monarch with absolute power these guys are no threat because they can yap all they want but its not going anywhere.but thats bullshit I watched lech walesa and the pope destroy the soviet union in about five years, This is what capitalism does to a nation. moldy says the puritians are still in charge but thats pretty ridiculous they got pushed aside by all the people that came with and after them people who were allowed to scoff at their well puritanism. Their own children pushed them out of boston politics in the third generation to make way for commerce as i sent you those links Candace Bushnells a mayflower girl. Culture is a fragile thing but very important, it does need to change sometimes but geniuses are just the type who like to tear out cheston fences. one of the greatest services proles do for a nation is resist cultural change. now they are not the ones who force hemlock down people’s throats they just stubbornly go about doing things as always concentrating on work and family. mass media has really fucked this up. I dont have a solution i am only pointing out theres a lot of genius all with the latest idea mostly contradicting each other the ideas are not wrong only partly right and usually not for general consumption. eliutes tend to assume everyone is like themselves and not the way the world is. Im not going to take an easy solution i know isnt true. like a monarch will just know the right thing and make it so. monarchs are as moved by culture as the rest. I think law has some use but i think we need cultural commitment too. the american revolution was some geniuses and in a lot of ways they were right and they took a lot of legal precautions about the pretty great for thought they had about what might go wrong, in the end culture did them in, it might be recoverable and tweaked a bit if it were a whites only place again but my point is law alone didnt cut it. genius didnt either,moldberg would say they were evil geniuses while he has points that they were left of monarchy from a certain perspective i don’t buy it totally. to me they were innovating with a new reality the transition from agrarian to industrial happened here sooner and faster by necessity and talent so we were the first to redo the organization to match, but went to far to fast since we were having such a success. and lost the cultural homogeneity … whatever i do go on.
    If we had red pill philosophers… well sure but by definition these are men who already understand whats real so whats possible or not and whats important. let me put it this way id rather Carlye were president than moldberg.I had a latin teacher I never could tell if he really despised me or really liked me but i knew i was not meeting his expectations and he was not having it. He asked me once in front of the class if i knew the difference between smart and intelligent was. I was about to give a smart alec answer when i got the look that said i better not and i realized he was telling me something about myself i might want to change. truth be told i never changed it i go for the quick half thought, oh i enjoy reading some pretty deep shit sometimes but truth be told i havnt the philosophers character. more of a cicero than marcus aurelius. anyway a lot of geniuses NOT THAT IM ONE are like that moldberg is probably a genius but hes a smart genius someone like Carlyle is more the philosopher king you want. the thing is the marxs and moldbergs are catchier

    I see my indian sidekick tonto has returned you had to make that comment about stealing tech from browns

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    arty stop being such a stick in the mud mud.there’s no one here to impress not even rhome.its just some guys shooting the shit. No one here’s going to take whatever you prefer to call that marxism 2.0 so yeah in that respect we are dogmatists.
    the premises of the dark enlightenment rule out socialism and hold up a library full of data on human biological diversity every thing from sexual dimorphism to racial IQ differences to very minor but distinct traits that have to be taken into consideration in human organization. That’s he topic arty. if you keep dragging the topic back to marcuse and co youre just spamming. I know you have been around here long enough to know this to know we did in fact engage leftist critics intelligently and respectfully.

    Now i dont know how smart you are but nothing you have yet said has led me to think you’re particularly bright not to insult but i dont count fluency in deconstruct speak as a sign of intelligence in fact the opposite. I dont pretend to be any smarter than i am and i am not a good writer and dont care to try. but im a very logical person and not dumb and while i like some nrx it has big problems so i volunteered to be the whipping boy. you wouldnt bother with us if you really thought yourself so above so why not stop the bs and enter the conversation we are actually having or fuck off to some commie site.

    Its pretty clear you oppose whites resorting back to having their own nations again why don’t you simply explain why? or better yet explain why we who pretty much include the entire right side and half the left side of the political electorate of the western world if we were honest, why we are wrong to be concerned or be hopeless that multiculturalism can ever work. make your case arty. what’s so great about multiculturalism that whites should give up their only countries for it and everyone else keep theirs as backup? I dont think you have a coherent response so you pretty much do what the lefts in the media do is insult call us stupid nazis. Well at least those leftists have a shot at using that tactic to prolong the game, but you have no shot at convincing me or wag or nick that cultural marxism is a great idea and that we are sad stupid nazis, people in this day and age dont become nazis lightly , ok well maybe the kids do but well theyre kids.

    so arty stand and deliver why should we let you on board, can you even make lamb vindaloo?

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    Wagner Reply:

    Again Mike, your Christian genes are showing. You talk to Arty like he has a soul. I’m christian-gened too and I’m not sure that is the case. A lot of these people are dirt-clods that perpetuate themselves, I hate to state this fact but “Christ is the Truth” made us value Truth over Christ bullshit which you physiologically, i.e. biologically, unwittingly betray. These people are not people, will you ever get that, Christcuck? Will you die speaking to these organized dirt-clods? I think you might. So Just Stop. Artxell is what we might call an AU, an artificial unintelligence. The only option for them is a bullet in the head, and you know this, yet you don’t, hence you keep chattering on with them. They can’t change, everything they say is programmed, they are meat bots, nothing more.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Dirt clods that funny, I remember the first time i heard someone use mud people i was shocked to my bones never really seeing any racism in nyc and in my 30s, and this guy had grown up in the village, i still cant imagine where he got that pre internet.

    Its true i have boomeritis a child of the 60s i am.and a jewyorker no less with arty intellectual parents. You guys think im kidding but Land really did make me a nazi. ok in fairness it was a long process that started with just watching people in nyc, reading a lot of history, Not going to university but for a couple semesters, One might think that my drunken parents deciding to pioneer the slums of the lower easat side in the 60s and my brothers and i being constant targets for being white would have an impact but it had little i adopted the non predjudice of my class. though i was streetwise and by the time we were teens my brothers and I were violent psychopaths, the overt racism we chalked up to just another example of how minorities are not very bright a thought we would never have spoken, which would have been “vulgar”. The tawana brawley, rodney king, and o,j things were informative and i think the bell curve came out about then. That was really big because the facts were undeniable that there was a biological reality underlying the disparate outcomes. Athe anti trump level of resistance to it which i followed up on and found laughable and chilling particularly the gould scandal. i began to realize my sacred science was BS too. But strangely the bell curve really didn’t change me that much I think a lot of us sort of put it to one side, I don’t remember what i thought after that probably as you say some sort of cuckservatism lets get rid of the moral hazards of multi socialism and let the chips fall. It seems really naive one could think affirmative action and welfare were going to be eliminated without a war, off course we had no idea how many niggers were pouring into the country.It was the zimmerman lynching i think that finally did it. having grown up in a slum i knew exactly how niggers think and act and what had happened that night, and I knew that by now after 30 years the rest of the country that hadnt lived it knew it to.But what really intrigued me was how the word racism had changed over my lifetime.It was really orwellian what was going on.It was always a slippery word, invented Im told by one of arty commie french jews. But it couldnt really be fully deployed at the time we were all still fairly rational not having been uniformly awaked to the reality of non reality by the french german jews.Oh we read sartre and shit in the 60s and 70s along with shit like updike and cheever and all the ny jew novelist and the nigger novelist and the original hipsters so much reading we did back then but most of us were not serious it was a freedom lalrp baby,of course the jews were serious and busy but we didnt see where they were heading not really or we didnt worry. Thats the thing arty when youre in the old zeitgeist you cant imagine its ever going to end its like the god like power you imagine your parents have until they get sick and die.
    No the Trayvon affair is what got the ball rolling, i went back and reread the bell curve and tried to find any legitimate criticism and found instead alfin, griffe du lion, steve sailer,and the nascent reaction.Somehow what herrnstein and murray were saying really hit me full implication, i dont think until then it had rrally gotten through to the right, the left got it immediately how it threatened their blank slate the right equally depended on that all men are created equal but they didnt really see that they did because of the curve among whites they really though still do that they are the party of inequality for everyone. they dont see that they know perfectly well this isnt practicably possible and is why they co signed ever piece of racial redistributionist legislation since reconstruction. That they are 150 years down this road and are doomed. and thats the cucksesrvatives that are sincere not the running dog neocucknservatives of the jews who want to impose a socialist capitalist world order.

    It hit like a ton of bricks i literally walked around for about two years muttering that if this is true and its undeniable so then we are doomed and of course this is about the time we all realize we are fucking infested with hispanics that the cucks have been lying to us and theirselves they are not natural conservatives or good for the economy but rather a fifth column that tips the political scale permanently making war inevitable. Because once you really get it you really get this can never work. while all this was going on i was gentrifying a black brooklyn neighborhood for a realestate play and wow the lower east side in the 60s was only 20% black and the rest puerto ricans i thought i knew my nigger races i had also led a pretty dissolute life and travelled in dangerous circles and never felt there was a place i needed to avoid but i never really lived in an all black place my job was very minority because of court orders and with my background the minorities rightly assumed i was one of those rare white raised in a ghetto which was true but only part of the story. Niggers are really a whole other level of animal. and i also realized muslims indians are really lower than puerto ricans and dominicans which is pretty bad artx people are capable of far worse anti civilization than you average hispanic, hispanics are pretty dumb and emotional maybe even more violent than sand niggers and towel heads but not as capable of really evil shit, ms13 is not evil shit its kids playing war.

    So yeah I sometimes forget a guy like arty is a mudcake. and arty this is why you are and why its utterly impossible. you can not think outside your mudcake perspective. and this is the crux of white civilization as elizabeth beaton said ( my english mum was always telling us what she said) ” manners are the use of ones imagination on behalf of the other” you see arty you only see the perspective of the nigger, you only gravitate to ideas that benefit the nigger. And heres the worst part arty youre a self hating nigger all of you immigrants are. you magical niggers that can read and write and mime white speech patterns and parrot french jew wreckers, you have fled you people because you hate who your people really are what you really are. you want to pretend you are not like them that they are an accident of white oppression and you are really the source of white hegemony that you wuz kangs. If you really believed any of that you would have stayed homed and helped your people resume their rightful place in the world. But you know thats a fools errand and instead opted to save yourselves. But you cant save yourselves because despite maybe some of you being half bright , as i keep telling Land cognition is not the whole story, and so you magic niggers have other behaviors you get a medical degree but you cheat the tests then you set up a practice and cut enough corners to kill people, you have shit children that are not magical at all, you only support the parts of west civ you like and alley with other niggers to destroy it somehow in your hi cog brains not understanding its not the special dirt that makes white nations great its the white people that you are attempting to kill off that make it great.No arty youre a mud cake all right it doesnt matter if youre a 145 IQ mud cake youre of no use to our project. and frankly to the extent im occasionally a sentimental human youre a disgrace to your people you may never turn india into much but you could certainly improve it a bit.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Well as we can see from the dispute above, ‘cognition’ doesn’t seem to be your story at all, definite lack of critical, logical, rational cognition, anyway. As I’ve already pointed out, almost all of the ideas you try to claim as ‘white’, originate from the East, India and China, primarily.
    If you’re a self-admitted, dissolute psychopath, as you say, that only colours your view, plots a course in life in which like follows like; like sees like; as the old saw goes, take so-and-so out of the ghetto, but you can’t take the ghetto out of so-and-so.
    Therefore it follows, maliciously mitigated maggots are quite naturally drawn to ideologies of pettiness, this is all that their bad experiences and limited capacities have trained them to see.
    It takes critical abilities and a sense of proportion to create new worlds beyond the horrors that overcome Conservative or Neoeactionary inferiority.
    No one’s interested in ‘stupid’ club. If it works for you, fine, continue with ‘stupid’.

    Wagner Reply:

    The millennials that by and large constitute the alt-right are interested in Eastern philosophy, that’s kind of just a millennial thing, and the adoption of racism hasn’t really mitigated that interest from what I can tell. A lot of those guys probably would have no problem with Artxell’s enlightened cousin coming here and giving classes on the Sutras and the proper lotus position. In an ironical dialectical twisht *sniff* most of the Asians I’ve known, IRL and online, have known less about Eastern phi than I do – a strange world when a neo-not-see is telling gooks about their own homegrown religions. I remember sitting in Christian church with my Korean ex and the Korean priest was wagging his finger about the evils of Buddhism and afterward SHE asked ME if he characterized Buddhism correctly, and I was like Nope. She’s a true-believer SJW, kinda why we broke up. All this to say that there is something fallacious about Asians coming here and lecturing us on leftism because leftism is basically the assertion that “minorities have intrinsic value” – and I’m saying the ones who keep their mystical traditions alive DO have value, but all that these leftist Asians have is leftism, i.e. all they have is the assertion they have value, rather than the knowledge of their mystical tradition that would actually give them real value. Catch my drift, Artxell? Your leftism begs the question.

    Wagner Reply:

    Imagine it’s not me saying this but a Jamaican dude, that might help:

    “French neocolonialists have colonized yo mind, mon!”

    Here’s my practical advice to you (for what it’s worth):

    Two highly esteemed men of the right, Eliade and Evola, both have books on Tantra. Why not read those, spot the holes that can be expected from occidentalist outsiders-looking-in, and write reviews explaining why they’re inferior. Protip: don’t *say* they’re inferior, *show* their inferiority, that’s a yuge problem of yours, stating rather than demonstrating.

    *while playing a bongo drum* “C’mon, mon.”

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, you don’t even know your own culture very well, let alone anyone else’s. Living in a consumer filigree of exoticisms, even of your own culture, is not guaranteed to provision any worthwhile insight.
    The initial dispute about exit logic and all of your responses to it shows all that needs to be shown concerning the claim of neo-reactionary inferiority. If you knew anything about Buddhist logic there would never have been any problem for you.
    Essentially, both your and Collenic’s arguments, so far, have been social and sociopolitical, not logically focused. Whereas my focus was logical. Your interpretation of that was to import your own ‘free border multicultural’ suspicions, evading not only the working out of logical implications, but the creative imagination of new logics, emerging out of a greater sense of the logics at play. This is just the minimum pre-requisite of theoretical speculation, but it couldn’t even begin, because of your addictions to immediate positivist relevance or significance, the positivist terms being the immigration issue, which admittedly is the concern of the post.
    For all his crassness, Collenic has some virtues that you lack, Waggy, primarily in terms of his consistency of delivery and focus. It’s obvious that you may look down on him a bit, brandishing whatever philosophical sophistications you have at your disposal. But you were no less positivist in your interpretations than him. You might be crafty and more cunning than Collenic, which is as much to say that he seems more honest than you. If he’s a psychopath, you’re a devious psychopath, lol.
    In any case, there’s another point, the argument that someone may share a similar view as a ‘leftist’ or Marxist, on some sociopolitical matter, does not make that someone either ‘leftist’ or Marxist. In addition, Nick Land has not to my knowledge ever been a Marxist, but I don’t really know about his early background, so I could be wrong.
    In my case, I’ve only voted once in my life, and that was for the Green party, so that shows environmentalist sympathies, not really political ones. This was back in the 1980s.

    Mircea Eliade was an ok scholar, certainly worth reading, and his name cropped up a lot in books I read or looked at, decades ago.
    Actually I might have some Buddhist stuff, quotes, on the computer somewhere. Probably better to spam those, than this ‘shit show’ we seem to be doing. Might help with the earlier dispute, to promote understanding. More interesting than politics, anyway.

    Posted on January 12th, 2018 at 4:26 am Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    god youre tiresome wags right youre not worth the bother. So its clear you see this you see everything as an opportunity to one up some white guys guess what im not going to get all guarded so you cant get a shot in, in fact you little description of the difference between wag and i years a gao i used to sound like wag more i just dont give a shit anymore theres nothing going on in a decade i need anything sharper than a mallet to solve, i dont even need punctuation or capitalization anymore i went through all this philosophy shit in my twenties it got me nowhere really. so if i want to offer a casual survey of how i went from an upper middle class half british child of artist intelectual to a “nazi” without the foot notes suck it nigger yopu want the foot notes go read the citations they are in their read all the nrx cannon with links I did read everything on the nigger jaymans blog and all of murray and hernsteins citations its not debatable its A SCIENTIFIC FACT NIGGERS ARE DIRT CLUMPS. do i look like bitcoin faggot that im going to haul the block chain of nigger brutishness around with me. Im at an age where i can watch a movie or read a book siz months later and not know oif i read it or not lol.
    as i just said youre in a hardware store looking for oranges. the discussion on the table every fucking nrz and alt right and paleo anything table is what the fuck to do with the niggers they are fucking useless. I dont need fucking derrida to solve that. you need derrida to avoid that question.

    you know why every other word out of my mouth is nigger? because for decades we all tried to spare your feelies arty you know the talented tenth nigger so we talked about the NIGGER PROBLEM by talking about moral hazards of welfare and a million other euphemism for the real problem divershitty. we pretended the scandanavian countries were like niggers and would say how their gdp could be 8.5673 percent higher if they didnt socialize, But what we were really talking about was niggers niggers niggers then NRX comes around and they do the same thing only Im not relly hip to the situation because land hasnt made me a nazi yet and i say yeah the problem is democracy the problem is puritans 500 years ago but when you really parse moldberg you realize no no no its niggers all the way down the west doesnt function anymore because too many niggers and we cant solve the problem cause we declared clods of dirt humans who could vote. so we cant vote them out and are to squeamish to kill them. so here we sit drowning in nigger and listening to you spit out moronic jew filth philosophy. You know god damn well how well read i am nigger you see the little crumbs i leave for you and others you just don’t like me intellectual contempt for you. You know god damn well nothing is of oriental derivation and if you dont youre even worse educated than i think. you ought to know its quite possible proto europeans were the ancient indians so even if anything were worth a damn in your shit culture it was white LOL. My first love was anthropology so whoever came up with whatever im all for credit where its due and dont know enough about india which i least find more interesting than east asia to say. but I have come to realize anthropology and archaeology are two of the most pozed as wag would say branches of science to a degree i find staggering they make shit up out of whole cloth and funny shaped rocks constantly but the genetics phonetics don’t lie, so we will see. In the meantime if youre going to claim theft of culture CITATIONS PLEASE OR ITS BULLSHIT.

    ” is this really what passes for intelligence in the nigger world did you jew professors tell you this was good work?

    The initial dispute about exit logic and all of your responses to it shows all that needs to be shown concerning the claim of neo-reactionary inferiority. If you knew anything about Buddhist logic there would never have been any problem for you.
    Essentially, both your and Collenic’s arguments, so far, have been social and sociopolitical, not logically focused. Whereas my focus was logical. Your interpretation of that was to import your own ‘free border multicultural’ suspicions, evading not only the working out of logical implications, but the creative imagination of new logics, emerging out of a greater sense of the logics at play. This is just the minimum pre-requisite of theoretical speculation, but it couldn’t even begin, because of your addictions to immediate positivist relevance or significance, the positivist terms being the immigration issue, which admittedly is the concern of the post.

    The last grade i actually passed was eight, now its true i kicked around schools even a couple universities for a month but the fact is Im an eighth grader. Let me tell you what sister irene would do with that paragraph nigger she would grab your ear and twist the fucking shit out of it while telling you what a stupid child you were and how you were wasting her life and the classes time. and dont even get me started on what some of the christian bros or jesuits who tried to teach me would have done to you.Just look at what my writing skills have deteriorated to since eighth grade you fucking moronic nigger and tell me what that gibberish up there means? because of my extensive dealing with stupid niggers who havnt words or thoughts i know what you want to say but you didnt say it. here let me.

    you want to say you have some mystical insight you call buddhist logic but instead of demonstrating it you try to mime commie french jews from the 40s and 50s because you have no clear idea of what buddhist logic is or how to express it though you want to imply its sort of a contradiction to the very concept of logic tus the whole anti west shtick.youre all over the place what youre really saying is we wuz kangs. but you know we are too smart for that so you try to dress it up with some budhism and some post structuralism and finnally an appeal this contradictory appeal to the logic that both your budhism and structuralism are in opposition to yet you think will give youi some cred with the white boys youre a fucking clown arty and an eigth grader can read you.But iots worse because youre alluding to that bullshit attemp from a few days ago when you tried to pretend EXIT was a logic problem and not a NIGGER PROBLEM. yerah remember that embarrasing moment when you found some new guy to listen to your shucking and jiving about exit like you were fucking that other faggot programmer Turing and you had just invented the Turing switch. But arty you arent that white genius and that wasnt a Turning switch or even a logic problem it was a simple NIGGER PROBLEM. see it was moldbug pretending whites were niggers and how to solve the nigger problem without saying ‘nigger problem’ and this is why i will keep with the reification of nigger until we all face the actual fucking nigger problem, arty back in vienna in 1900 we didnt have moldberg and he didnt need to solve an exit problem because all the little whites knew their place and did their thing some baked excellent pastries and some made excellent philosophies that have aged better than the strudel some like my maternal grandmas family made watches and clocks so no one needed to exit there were no niggers to solve turing and hitler were being born somewhere and moldbergs parents were stating to plot somewhere but the jews had not yet introduced the nigger problem only communism a bit.

    so when you shuck and jive that buddhist logic patch hotel california post structuralist garbage and cant even write bullshit well enough for an eigth grader to not call you on you know youre a nigger not even a smart one let alone an intelligent one.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Blah, blah, yeah, yeah, You still haven’t twigged it though, and therein lies your stubborn inferiority. Nice rant, though. Maybe you should be a rapper, lol.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    YO NIGGER TRU DAT THIS WHACK ZEF SUCCUBUS BITCH BEEN ON MY DICK ON THE ASTRAL PLANE AND I BEEN WONDERING WHY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdeizHM9OU

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Not really a rap fan, but that was funny.

    This is better, I guess it’s a classic now – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9AcG0glVu4

    collen ryan Reply:

    LETS PUT IT THIS WAY BLOOD CLOT .

    YOUR FAGGOT FRENCH COMMIE IDEA OF WHITE SELF HATE IS THE FATTY BOOM BOOM OF DECONSTRUCTIVE POST STRUCTURALISM

    ITS THE CURRENT YEAR NIGGER WE WHIGGERS BEEN BUSY NAVEL GAZING

    THERES SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE BUT YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS DO YOU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIXUgtNC4Kc

    ill give you a hint this is the end

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    Posted on January 12th, 2018 at 9:16 pm Reply | Quote
  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan</st

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/sjws-attac-ucl-neo-nazi-cabal/

    heres one of your home boy niggers admitting hes a nigger, which is kinda funny cause he likes to give me shit like you do when i say it but he is actually pretty smart and just hates he has to be a nigger and his kids will be stupid niggers like his parents, but you want to argue about nigger stupidity go argue with jay or rhaz they are niggers and they undertsand the utter audacity of thinking theres hope

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Not arguing about anyone’s stupidity, but seem to have demonstrated your’s and Wagner’s quite adequately.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    NOTHING WAGERED NOTHING GAINED BATTY BOY

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    collen ryan Reply:

    youre not watching arty its not better i was there before that at led zeppelin and the stones ,the who all of them. what you posted was what your philosophy is, a long hair band, even in the 80s we called that areana rock suburban music. die antwoord thats clockwork orange zombie music like the pistols or the doors you keep ki8lling and trying to sell its parts but its been coming back like a zombie youre trying to kill the undead. you cant kill western civilization twice nigger. you already killed it you killed god you killed reason with your santa clause isnt real philosophy like we didnt fucking know that, you stupid fucking unimaginative literal nigger we knew god was dead that everything was relative you moron we were not stupid we were wise, but no you had to kill the easter bunny and santa clause and all of it wrecker. you moron youre tilting at zombies. get used to it youre in the post apocalypse you cant kill us again its giuliani time nigger has been for decades its just it takes a while to wake enough dead. youre a joke youre going to tell me all my white logic is subjective then tell me my logic is faulty? do you know what fucking happens to intellectual in times like these, well youre going to find out. I on the other hand have seen this long ago and am well prepared. enjoy the decline

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    Wagner Reply:

    “Let me tell you what sister irene would do with that paragraph nigger she would grab your ear and twist the fucking shit out of it while telling you what a stupid child you were and how you were wasting her life and the classes time.”

    That pretty much sums it up. I think of him like a whetstone though, you’ve said lots of funny shit to this dot-forehead. This for instance, but there’s been so much I lose track:

    “90% of you non whites would not exist if not for us, and those that did would be living as you did 80,000 years ago sitting in the mud slapping flies and popping them in your mouth.”

    Didn’t know that about Rhazib and Jayman, that’s noble and admirable of them, makes me think better of the browns. Like I said, Art really isn’t doing his people any favors here. Acceleration-of-recognition-of-inexpungable-niggerness. And I used to vaguely entertain the rainbow n sunshiney theory that Euros and Indians were long-long brothas!

    You ever read Blood Meridian? I think you’d like it:

    “The black looked once more across the flames at Glanton and then he moved away in the dark. The white man uncocked the revolver and placed it on the ground before him. Two of the others came back to the fire and stood uneasily. Jackson sat with his legs crossed. One hand lay in his lap and the other was out- stretched on his knee holding a slender black cigarillo. The nearest man to him was Tobin and when the black stepped out of the darkness bearing the bowieknife in both hands like some instrument of ceremony Tobin started to rise. The white man looked up drunkenly and the black stepped forward and with a single stroke swapt off his head.
    Two thick ropes of dark blood and two slender rose like snakes from the stump of his neck and arched hissing into the fire. The head rolled to the left and came to rest at the expriest’s feet where it lay with eyes aghast. Tobin jerked his foot away and rose and stepped back. The fire steamed and blackened and a gray cloud of smoke rose and the columnar arches of blood slowly subsided until just the neck bubbled gently like a stew and then that too was stilled. He was sat as before save headless, drenched in blood, the cigarillo still between his fingers, leaning toward the dark and smoking grotto in the flames where his life had gone.”

    P. S.

    I think we might have found a SYNTHESIS Mike:

    https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/951576900329246720

    (Yeah you don’t advocate do-nothing gaming but you get the point–I’ve had Tacitus on my shelf for a while that I need to finish).

    Wagner Reply:

    The word savage appears 50 times in the novel, nigger 39. I don’t have to google it to know that the aficionados of poz that make up our fine academies have had a field day with it. This reminds me why I like Westerns so much, men act like actual men in them. In fact, a couple weeks ago I bagged 33 John Wayne flicks off ebay for like $30, as an aid in the deconditioning process. I saw one guy on Jim’s blog say something that stuck with me: he said something like, he would make a deal with the devil if it meant Hollywood were burned to the ground. A-yup. After the death of God the masses get their myth-fix through movies. The main thing shitlords should shoot for is making a movie like Inglorious Basterds only turned on its head so it glorifies the Nazis – this would do A LOT of damage, it would blow a hole through the big wooden front doors of the Cathedral. Might not put a hole through the belly of the wizard of poz arch-priest behind the scenes (whoever it is), but we have to do this in steps.

    Wagner Reply:

    Grrr… Land’s voodoo is interfering with my mind’s wifi signal here, it’s hard to even type this. There’s an occult underside to the habbenings of this blog’s “commentariat”… Go back to the idea of “mounting”.. eh forget it, it will give me an aneurysm to continue that line of thought.

    How about this. Imagine that app that makes pictures of people smile. *When Land thinks about how Crowley exposed the secrets of the Freemasons: smiling* – “When Land thinks about how we expose the secrets of NRx: not smiling* .. The intersection of esotericism and the Internet, that is wh

    What was I going to say? Oh yeah.. channeling Kantbot here:

    2000-2100 will be known as the “Voodoo Century” in American history. Citizens will be thought dismissively as “cars” by 2100-2200 space-explorer citizens who think of themselves as “spaceships”…

    Always demand of interdimensional, infinity-tiddied entities that you be on top, lads. Don’t let them make you their bitch just because they’ve “transcended space and time”. Woo, good for you, now bend over.

    There once was a man who refused to be mounted by a Dæmon. This man said, “No.” He said, “You’re my horse now.” The Dæmon was thus broken. That man became to be known as the Buddha.

    One of the (many) reasons Bertiaux has been memory-holed is his realism that huwytes can use voodoo-technology more efficiently than failing Haiti.. He, e.g wouldn’t admit certain browns into his cult..

    Eh this is more of Land’s voodoo. You’re MY horse, Land!

    Boldmug Reply:

    An informant tells me that those who are possessed in Haiti are often referred to as “horses”.

    Makes you wonder what would habben if these “Things” rode colts rather than jackasses.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    ZOMBIES AND SHIT

    It’s funny, I didn’t need to call you zombies, but did think of it earlier. You’re still using sociopolitical imagery, though, trying to distract from your earlier fiascoes. Supplementing your commenting failures with referential imagery.

    I’m not saying that anything at all is ‘faulty’, because that ‘faultiness’ is contingent on arbitrary notions of ‘function’, anyway -take your pick! Oh, you already have, the circulation of ‘stupid’! ‘shit’. Play that func-y music, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFiv9M577a4

    At least you’re consistent, whatever your metabolic state, zombified or not, all are equally inferior! Oh look, a ‘democracy of dunces’, and not in a good, Duns Scotus way!
    You’ll notice how often you refer to a ‘we’; dat socialism right there! lol

    What have you got against Father Christmas? He doesn’t believe in you, either, so you’re not on his Christmas delivery list.

    “Derrida: I try to keep myself at the limit of philosophical discourse. I say limit and not death, for I do not at all believe in what today is so easily called the death of philosophy (nor, moreover, in the simple death of whatever-the book, man, or god, especially since, as we all know, what is dead wields a very specific power). Thus, the limit on the basis of which philosophy became possible, defined itself as the episteme, functioning within a system of fundamental constraints, conceptual oppositions outside of which philosophy becomes impracticable.”

    Really, there’s is no such thing as ‘relativism’, it’s just a convention, so you’re claiming to ‘know’ it is merely conventional, another badly understood position, big deal! It’s understanding why that is the case, that is worthy, not producing ignorant hallucinations of yet more bad positions ( d?r???i ). I can do that better than you, too, if I feel like it. How the Land lies, the topography of criminality, deceit and inferiority! No St Nicholas, he! lol

    Or as the great Robert Sheckley said: “Weakening, Kraggash became evil; becoming evil, Kraggash grew weak.”*

    * “MINDSWAP” ROBERT SHECKLEY; PAN BOOKS LTD; LONDON AND SYDNEY; © Robert Sheckley 1966

    “His bastion fell in a night when Marvin kidnapped the Barbary apes, and Kraggash speeded across southern Thrace with his body in a suitcase. He was seized at the frontier of Phthistia, a country that Marvin improvised with considerable effect upon the history of Europe.
    Weakening, Kraggash became evil; becoming evil, Kraggash grew weak. In vain he invented devil-worship. The followers of Marvinity bowed down not to the idol, but rather to the symbol. Evil, Kraggash turned nasty: dirt grew beneath his fingernails, noxious tufts of hair appeared on his soul.
    Helpless at last Kraggash lay, the incarnation of evil, with the body of Marvin clutched in his talon. Rites of exorcism induced his final agony. A buzz saw disguised as a prayer wheel dismembered him, a mace masquerading as a censer brained him. Kindly old Father Flynn intoned over him the last words:
    ‘Thou gettest no bread with one meatball.’ And Kraggash was put into a tomb hewn out of the living Kraggash. Appropriate graffiti were carved upon his tombstone, and flowering Kraggash was planted around his grave.
    It is a quiet spot. To the left is a grove of Kraggash trees, to the right is an oil refinery. Here is an empty beer can, here is a gipsy moth. And just beyond is the spot where Marvin opened the suitcase and took out his long-lost body. He blew the dust off it and combed its hair. He wiped its nose and
    straightened its tie. Then, with seemly reverence, he put it on.”

    Incidentally, stop trying to introduce me to your sister, Irene, I’m not interested.

    Wagner Reply:

    Derrida, Sheckley, it’s like you subscribe to a Non-Indo Judeo ideology er somethin. Where are all the blue elephants? Talk about the Absolute Reality of Brahman? Did the Hindus believe Brahman was a conventional construct? I thought that’s what they thought of little atman, little artxell?

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I think I posted this before, a few years ago – http://www.viewzone.com/matlock.html

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  • collen ryan Says:

    pretty sure i read that i read a lot of western lit as in american west li when i bought the land out there. One of my favorites was crow killer the true story of liver eating johnson known in disneyland as jeremiah johnson but the real guy was a lot more like colonel kurtz. The tales of the mountain men who were the only whites out there then are truly amazing and not at all like we were told.

    Truth be told i also think indians are our cousins so are black africans and gorillas, in the right context i love them all. Have you seen Leni Riefenstahl’s african photography? The problem isnt really the niggerlynesses of the various niggers, its the stupid idea to try and integrate them into white nations. One of the most degrading things is what happens to a nigger when trying to function in our environment, I get why they are so pissed off, they cant win for trying. Honestly i don’t even see how this can be debated. We are not sending them to gas chambers, we’re asking people to please go home. We can see them again we can trade with them, do science, exchange cultural programs. Im sure we will continue to aid them to some extent.
    I don’t know what they thought would happen when it went from accommodating a few immigrants to population replacement coupled with calls for white extinction not just in the US but in every white nation. I cant even imagine what sort of gymnastic it takes a high cog elite to thinks this is a good idea its fucking stark raving madness. And by the nigger uprising of the 60s we should have understood this. In fact it seems from the civil war and colonial history thats not revised we did know this. There was very subtle campaign of insidious switching of memes around that went on for 150 years. Sorry I don’t really see puritainism as being much involved in that sure christianity is was ripe for pozzing by commies and that surely happened, but communism is a jewish movement they have used a lot of tactics to recruit the whites they needed to recruit to have it take over. christianity is one, philosophy another, class adivion another particularly in economies in industrial transition,gender and sexual orientation are others but none of them were really able to swing the euro people permanently into the sort of totalitarian states they wanted to rule until they came up with population replacement and racial redistributions. Even in russia which had the really late transition into industrialization and near serfs into the 20th century they throw off communism after 80 years, and even in scandinavia a natural socialist people their devotion to socialism never translates into the type of state the jews want to rule. white dont bend the knee well even very socialist whites like scandinavians.But introducing a near animal like human into highly advanced culture that was bound to fail and had no genetic predisposition to kneeling just the opposite that assures democracy can be used to vote in racial communism. remove the nigger vote and communism dies in one election in a few years we are flogging the non productive whites and instituting eugenics programs.in a decade feminism will be a historical anomaly.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    sigh

    let me put it in language you will understand; Nigger you be frontin. You want to slip back and forth between the rational and irrational side then on this side you have to make the case not drop deconstruct jabberwocky and yell racists are stupid. You’re allowed a zombie avatar that yells whiteys are whiggers but if that’s all ya got you’re just a dumb nigger frontin you know sumpthin. Knowing derrida is not knowing something derrida a jew nigger yelling whiteys are whiggers.
    You act like only one thing goes on at once i already explained what should be plain we are at the fin d cycle so you have two major waves overlapping, but each are applications of other waves, as a commie leftist running mud for the jews you know ow these waves helped you many are most are natural waves you commies jumped on, well the sa,e is happening in your counter amplitude. No really there is absolutely such a thing as relativism,its the only true thing those bastards ever said it just should never have been said.

    Dostoyevsky tried to warn you
    – говорит, смеется. ‘Только как же, спрашиваю, после того человек-то? Без бога-то и без будущей жизни? Ведь это, стало быть, теперь всё позволено, всё можно делать?’ ‘А ты и не знал?’ – говорит. Смеется. ‘Умному, говорит, человеку всё можно, умный

    but you couldn’t resist well the greedy jews couldn’t resist and you followed them to hell. Now you have won and insidiously substituted actual nigger slave morality for simply christian slave morality you want to take it back re orthodox your values. But you can’t everyones knows now god is dead there is no afterlife all is then permitted there is no good or evil only perspective. “My leftist daughter will say why because Im black?” If asked to do something she doesn’t want to do. Shes as devoted a leftist as you are but she knows in her subconscious youthful naivete its all bullshit just a power grab, eventually she will realize she shouldn’t say that outloud because like you she will work towards closing pandora’s box while the left is hegemonic. Or hopefully she will understand you are all lying fucking niggers that want her dead. either way its zombie time.

    So if the point that you are struggling to make is that wag and I have an equally subjective philosophy perspective or what ever you wish to derrida it as, well you’re not hearing the response. You’re in a fucking hardware store looking for oranges this is the DARK enlightenment the anti enlightenment. Land would like to think he is going to restore reason, wag thinks so too. They are both wrong its monsters all the way down. The reason why when i really looked at the nigger problem in your terms when i meditated on the death head it took two years is not simply because Trayvon Martin killed multiculturalism, or moldberg killed democracy or Nietzsche foresaw the murder in the cathedral derrida the jew stomping christ to death. Its all of that and more. Land gets it sometimes when he gets into the horror, but hes still attached as buddhists say to his rationalism. I saw the piles of children’s arms little nigger arms all the way down. Its over friend you opened the box now get in the box.

    So yeah our hells angels philosophy is laughable for now but not for long. we don’t need no stinkin philosophy no ,ore, no reason, no love no god no future for you. just fucking hells angels all the way down. Oh land or someone might make up some philosophy to justify it, Ill probably write some new norse mythology, but Nietzsche will howling with the idiots frightful hyena laughter off stage. It will b relative all right our relatives.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    In other words, you’re pissed off at your intellectual inferiority.
    It was the navel-gazing, I guess, you haven’t got any natural aptitude for it. You know it upsets you, gets you all angry, and even more stupid than you are already. I guess that’s why you turn the caps lock on, helps you read.

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Arty when you have a specific argument against a specific assertion please post your fact filed argument along with citations. otherwise as we have told you fifty different ways you are just a nigger trying to sound inteligent by miming whites.

    In other news- it seems the press in nations like your own are having trouble translating Trumps shithole comment into the dindu dialectic because not only dont they have toilets

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-turns-to-public-shaming-to-get-people-to-use-its-52million-new-toilets/2017/11/03/882166fe-b41c-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html?utm_term=.6231fb17bfb9

    But remarkably they don’t even have shit holes, or rather they have only the one, leaving the press with the conundrum of describing water to fish.

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    Wagner Reply:

    JFC Mike how do we find ourselves in the lowly position of having to shame this cyber-streetshitter? We try to talk political philosophy and this disgrace of a human being keeps coming by and squatting next to us and letting out steaming loafs. You’re right, there is no exit if we’re part of the shaming crew against our will, FFS.

    “You’re inferior! You’re inferior! You’re inferior!”

    Meanwhile, back in India…

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Waggy, Collenic, and Nick Land; the three members of the Chandalah Trio, that triple inferiority threat!

    Bit difficult to ‘shame’ anyone when you given up moral commitments, Waggy!
    Less of the ‘human’, Wags, that’s you Occidental lot! None of that anthropic inferiority for us in the Orient! You’re to set up shrines around those ‘steaming loaves’, but you’re not to touch them or even breathe on them, keep your fetid selves well away from the Holy Excrement! You may, on occasions yet to be determined, worship from a distance.

    Wagner Reply:

    Yep I would joyously slaughter a million of your people if it meant saving one of mine from perishing of a fecal-borne illness. Fortunately for you and them we’ll just have to gently escort a thousand so of our corrupt oligarchs to a couple gymnasium sized “showers” and it will be a job well done; as for you and yours, we’ll leave you alone to literally writhe in your own shit like pigs, the karma you apparently had coming.

    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    I thought you and collenic said you were already dead, Waggy? Make up your mind, if the vimana squadrons get annoyed at your indecisiveness, they won’t be happy.
    Looks like the USA is getting a lot more ‘natural disasters’ since Trump came into power?

    BG 11.33: Therefore, arise and attain honor! Conquer your foes and enjoy prosperous rulership. These warriors stand already slain by me, and you will only be an instrument of my work, O expert archer.

    http://www.xenosystems.net/harsh-but-true/#comment-857

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Hmm another lost tribe at least we celts have the red hair and cheapness, but you guys do kind have that hook nose thing going on.

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    Hmm

    here a koan for you buddha how do you kill the dead

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    collen ryan Reply:

    and do we are not pissed off at anyone’s intellectual inferiority, simply pointing out that your subjectivism killed universalism and we whites are now free to declare our particular truth. Guess i had to spell it out for you. So you see relativism might have been expedient for the jew it wasnt in the long run good for him, they’re not half as clever as people credit them. So when Land conjures up some new rationalism because hes a white boy and we likes us some rationalism its going to have a little asterisk well actually its going to be a little swastika, next to which it will say, ”empirically true for whites, results may vary” So the next time some filthy little french jew philosopher comes around with a shiv for santa instead of going on about natural law and all that well just say there’s another one we missed get him. We wont be universalists anymore so we wont be needing to carry that white mans philosophical burden (no offense gunga din) we will know perfectly well that its just our point of view just our very own self interest our truth our safe space. You may have your own and we may let you have it or maybe one day we will need it and take it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxoVRTwlNg

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    Wagner Reply:

    lol

    https://imgur.com/a/kwWWB

    What kind of psychopath are you Mike? Try-a-thimble kinda psychopath? A spoonful? A bowl?

    “Jewstew” may very well be considered a delicacy for a couple years during the war.

    I dunno if I’d deign to eat injun though, call me a snob.

    “(Always discriminate more.)” – Nick Land

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    collen ryan Reply:

    Fee Fie Fo Fum I smell the blood of an englishman
    be he alive or be he dead
    Ill grind his bones to make my bread

    that and struwwelpeter was what i was raised on and they only fed us olives from their martini glasses

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  • collen ryan Says:

    @collen ryan

    NO NO NO NO YOU STUPID FUCKING WOGLET< WE HAVE GIVEN UP UNIVERSAL MORAL COMMITMENTS!

    IT LIKE THE BORDER WALL OF PHILOSOPHY WE SAY YOURE NOTHING BUT A CLOD OF MUD AND SO YOU ARE WE CANT HERE YOU THROUGH THE WALL NOT THAT WE WOULD THINK THAT MUD WAS SPEAKING SO

    HERE ITS LIKE THIS OTHER KOAN I MADE FOR YOUR GRASSHOPPER

    DOES AN INDIAN SHIT IN THE STREET

    Or

    Maybe

    WHAT IS THE SOUND OF AN INDIAN SHITTIN IN THE STREET

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Say all that to Waggy, your fellow ghost- zombie, he’s the one talking about shame.

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    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    Talking to yourself, isn’t helping you lose the argument gracefully.

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